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  • In this dramatization of transcripts from a legal deposition, a lawyer becomes embroiled in an absurd argument about the definition of a photocopier.
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  • @warped_rider
    @warped_rider 9 років тому +5377

    An argument so absurd it could have only happened in real life.

    • @bebop417
      @bebop417 6 років тому +114

      i'm willing to bet my life this happened in america

    • @dbillau
      @dbillau 6 років тому +144

      @@bebop417 That is a very solid bet since it happen just south of Cleveland Ohio. My mom knew the stenographer and the lawyer with the mustache. If I remember correctly the case settled out of court a few months later.

    • @draganoiugeorge6010
      @draganoiugeorge6010 6 років тому +4

      well what was the result. dont leave us hanging :D

    • @Zemkezis
      @Zemkezis 5 років тому +7

      Exactly ! I would have found it far-fetched if it was not from a real deposition.

    • @groinBlaster31
      @groinBlaster31 5 років тому +38

      @@bebop417 you think you're so smart yet you couldn't read the intro where it says where it happened.

  • @DarckT7
    @DarckT7 5 років тому +4954

    Here from legal eagle. Glad for a new distraction!

    • @invictusaeternum
      @invictusaeternum 5 років тому +49

      same. this did not disappoint!

    • @VitoHGrind
      @VitoHGrind 5 років тому +26

      Same! Well worth it!

    • @wsadqwer110
      @wsadqwer110 5 років тому +57

      It became recommended to me shortly after watching legal eagle.

    • @invictusaeternum
      @invictusaeternum 5 років тому +24

      @@wsadqwer110 Let it be known that today the Eagles changed the algorithm.

    • @a24396
      @a24396 5 років тому +8

      Me too and just phenomenal stuff here!

  • @kiyomiku
    @kiyomiku 9 років тому +5767

    This can be a great commercial for xerox, with a punch line "it's not a photocopying machine, it's a xerox."

    • @g1enn
      @g1enn 9 років тому +293

      You wouldn't want to do that if you are xerox. It's a good way to lose your trademark on the name.

    • @kiyomiku
      @kiyomiku 9 років тому +35

      g1enn
      Not sure how that make them lose their trademark, but then what do I know about business practise.
      How does a registered trademark become lost?

    • @g1enn
      @g1enn 9 років тому +254

      If a word becomes too synonymous with the product it can lose its trademark. For example everyone calls medical bandages with adhesives "band-aids" regardless of if they are actually bandaid brand. They almost lost their trademark and they had to change some of their marketing.

    • @kiyomiku
      @kiyomiku 9 років тому +39

      g1enn
      Ah! That make sense. I am one of those that calls them band-aids. I used to view that as a good thing though, cause who ever want to find bandage, they will know the band-aids brand? But I see, it does lose the meaning behind their word sometime.

    • @RaiderOfTheLost
      @RaiderOfTheLost 9 років тому +8

      +kiyomiku I just wanted to say, have a good day. You deserve it

  • @mikes252
    @mikes252 5 років тому +1099

    A perfect example where a defense attorney has coached a witness to the point they don't know what to do

    • @stufffstufffington
      @stufffstufffington 2 роки тому +75

      The side glances at the defense attorney before most of the answers were a really great touch. Except for the screaming at the end, I'm sure this is exactly how it went down.

    • @TalonX_X
      @TalonX_X 2 роки тому +76

      I read an excerpt from the prosecutor doing the deposition, he said he didnt get mad like the video and wanted the guy to keep feigning ignorance because it made him look very bad. The prosecutor never got frustrated.

    • @bryonholdt6954
      @bryonholdt6954 2 роки тому +6

      @@TalonX_X So the prosecutor admitted that he was trying to make the guy look and feel stupid (as the guy mentioned). Not a good look

    • @Dawreckk
      @Dawreckk 2 роки тому +98

      @@bryonholdt6954 the prosecutor is asking a simple question. The witness made himself look and feel stupid. So sure, you can say that was the goal. Let me ask you, do you know what a prosecutor is?

    • @cwolf208
      @cwolf208 2 роки тому +58

      @@bryonholdt6954 The guy was making himself look stupid. At any point he could have said "yes" and it was clear what was happening. He, at the coaching of his lawyer, made himself look stupid by trying to dodge a simple question.

  • @quelorepario
    @quelorepario 5 років тому +506

    The Onion will go bankrupt if reality keeps catching up

    • @leifleoden5464
      @leifleoden5464 3 роки тому

      Check out Titania McGraths book. She said things like Mother Tersa was a white supremacist years before the twitter mob got there.

    • @TheRedArrowExpress
      @TheRedArrowExpress 3 роки тому +2

      Reality has always been absurd.
      We like to think large institutions are well oiled machines with very few hangups but the truth that the world is just directed chaos.

  • @ExecutionStyleInc
    @ExecutionStyleInc 8 років тому +3486

    Why can't this be a series, a entire show based on an attorney dealing with moronic cases and depositions day in day out.

    • @vb8428
      @vb8428 8 років тому +78

      Such a show ended-Boston legal

    • @ExecutionStyleInc
      @ExecutionStyleInc 8 років тому +10

      Victor K Borona
      watched it, that show as crappy, The practice was good though.

    • @vb8428
      @vb8428 8 років тому +1

      M7JS2IR9Q26 - Yeah grandma

    • @vb8428
      @vb8428 8 років тому +41

      ExecutionStyleInc It was the funniest and satirical legal drama ever.It had quality dialogue,impressive actors(both leading and guest), captivating yet ridiculously engaging plots and terrific fastshots(like shaky cam) that worked dramedically.

    • @KarmaTiger
      @KarmaTiger 7 років тому +21

      It is a series - the Verbatim series, of which you've watched one instalment.

  • @Ephisus
    @Ephisus 10 років тому +3195

    The performances in this are just phenomenal.

    • @johng6950
      @johng6950 6 років тому +85

      This was more gripping than any courtroom drama I've ever seen!

    •  6 років тому +6

      so true

    • @julesnominal1804
      @julesnominal1804 5 років тому +20

      who plays the prosecutor? man he's good!

    • @DDPK
      @DDPK 5 років тому +15

      @@julesnominal1804 its almost as if there are credits at the end of the clip...

    • @TheJackmore
      @TheJackmore 5 років тому +75

      @@DDPK Wen you say "end of the clip", what do you mean?

  • @xnamkcor
    @xnamkcor 10 років тому +668

    I want a gas-powered photocopier.

    • @SilverSpoon_
      @SilverSpoon_ 5 років тому +10

      I think Konica discontiued them, I'm gonna check this.

    • @mooseandsquirellfriend
      @mooseandsquirellfriend 5 років тому +12

      Just don't get into an accident with one. Those higher pages per gallon come at the expense of crash safety!

    • @nodsib
      @nodsib 3 роки тому +3

      Somebody call Colin Furze

    • @leifleoden5464
      @leifleoden5464 3 роки тому +11

      SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY GAS POWERED PHOTOCOPIER?

    • @efenty6235
      @efenty6235 2 роки тому +3

      dieselpunk

  • @MrSuperJaskirat
    @MrSuperJaskirat 10 років тому +1071

    Man, that lawyer in the end in his seat is just like, "troll..."
    Woman was a great actor considering she never said anything but had the face of "I love my job. I wanna see where this is going".
    cudos to the whole cast

    • @kebman
      @kebman 5 років тому +11

      Should have gotten an Oscar!

    • @gordon1545
      @gordon1545 5 років тому +40

      Yup, the Stenographers first take is a joy.

    • @Ad1nfernum
      @Ad1nfernum 5 років тому +45

      As a stenographer myself, however, it annoys the heck out of me that her machine is at like chest height. I'm sitting there going, "Do you want carpal tunnel syndrome? Because that's how you get carpal tunnel syndrome."

    • @BerserKei
      @BerserKei 4 роки тому

      Why do you have a playlist called blaq?

  • @7599mmd
    @7599mmd 8 років тому +1278

    Depends on the definition of "is."

    • @ChurroTheViscous
      @ChurroTheViscous 8 років тому +9

      +Meredith Dickenson your legal references are on point

    • @badmunkey666
      @badmunkey666 8 років тому +45

      +Meredith Dickenson Can you define "definition"?

    • @Bob-lr6nu
      @Bob-lr6nu 8 років тому +43

      +Meredith Dickenson I identify as a photocopier and I resent your implied definition of "is"

    • @UDT116
      @UDT116 8 років тому +1

      Nice

    • @kobrowsky
      @kobrowsky 8 років тому +7

      +Merry Murphy Depends on the definition of "definition".

  • @Missingo32
    @Missingo32 5 років тому +172

    The crazy thing I didn't realize until looking up more about the case: it was $2 per page... of a digital document. A file. Printed copies were still to be $2, which is still absurd.

    • @Matrim42
      @Matrim42 Рік тому +49

      “Greene and her staff based their charges on a state law that requires a $2-per-page fee to photocopy or fax documents. Based on that law, they argued that CDs containing copies of 104,000 pages of records should cost $208,000.”

  • @technophant
    @technophant 7 років тому +1866

    Gas-powered photocopier? What world does he live in?

    • @technophant
      @technophant 7 років тому +96

      +Caleb B Maybe he's spends so much time passed out from carbon monoxide fumes he can't remember anything that's been said

    • @technophant
      @technophant 7 років тому +93

      So between the gas bill for their Xerox Turbo and the lawsuits for injuries and deaths they had to raise their copy fee to $2/page. It all makes sense now...

    • @rif42
      @rif42 6 років тому +19

      ua-cam.com/video/5XAeMKcmMmY/v-deo.html

    • @SilverSpoon_
      @SilverSpoon_ 5 років тому +37

      there's a photocopy principle of gas emulsion, it's old but was working, there should be something on wiki bout it.

    • @cooldukenukem
      @cooldukenukem 5 років тому +44

      He is actually describing cars at that point. You can hear him say there are different types of machines like there are different cars.

  • @JacobTheLoofah
    @JacobTheLoofah 8 років тому +2089

    Two years later and it's still the bet punchline of all time

    • @killcavlry
      @killcavlry 6 років тому +78

      Four years later and it's still the best punchline of all time.

    • @robvarley3091
      @robvarley3091 6 років тому +11

      Kyle Dalton thank you for your service this country commends your efforts

    • @kas7145
      @kas7145 6 років тому +4

      Four years later and I'm still sending it to people

    • @MrNubix
      @MrNubix 5 років тому +2

      Five years later and I'm still laughing about it

    • @TheActualCathal
      @TheActualCathal 5 років тому +5

      Two years later and you still haven't fixed that typo

  • @jasonmenkins
    @jasonmenkins 5 років тому +1125

    Came here from LegalEagle, was not disappointed

  • @PictureEthiopia
    @PictureEthiopia 8 років тому +923

    I love the look the typist gives!

    • @scottishzombie
      @scottishzombie 8 років тому +21

      +PictureEthiopia Indeed. She killed me in this. Hats off to Emily! :)

    • @wewd
      @wewd 8 років тому +78

      +PictureEthiopia Stenographer! Not a typist! You don't want to see what happens when you call a stenographer a typist to their face, it's not pretty. It may be the last thing you ever do...

    • @kathrynbostrom7927
      @kathrynbostrom7927 8 років тому +20

      Court reporter...

    • @PictureEthiopia
      @PictureEthiopia 8 років тому +16

      +wewd hahaha I'm tempted to try! But thanks for telling me! I'm an Ethiopian with a basic English knowledge so I have learnt something new today! The word Stenographer and not to call the stenographer a typist to their face.

    • @jeffmarquis4612
      @jeffmarquis4612 8 років тому +8

      +Kathyn Bostrom stenographer...

  • @ChilledfishStick
    @ChilledfishStick 5 років тому +410

    I've watched it quite a few times, read the transcript, and researched a bit about this case. I'm not a lawyer, but this deposition is really fascinating.
    I try to ignore the presentation, because it is a dramatization. What I've noticed is that every time Mr. Marburger, the lawyer taking the deposition changed the phrasing of the questions, there was always a way for the recorder's office employee to weasel out of answering by claiming that he can't recall, doesn't understand, etc. I think that the phrasing was deliberate, that Mr. Marburger wanted to give the employee an out, so he could show how the witness was willing to play games, and to milk it as much as he thought was needed. When he was done milking, he phrased it in a way which didn't allow for more games.
    I know from an interview that Marburger was in fact very happy let it drag on. That he saw the value in 6 pages of games, and that he wasn't mad at all. On the contrary, this was the best outcome.

    • @przemekkozlowski7835
      @przemekkozlowski7835 5 років тому +125

      The case centered on whether making a copy of a CD that contained scanned paper records, could be considered "photocopying" since there was an explicit law governing the records office making photocopies of public records. This seems like an absurd argument but "photocopying" was not legally defined at the time. The lawyer tried to establish that the office employees had a fixed definition of what they considered to be a photocopier and they did not use these machines to copy the CDs. The witness was coached not to say that and tried to weasel out of the answer without outright lying. So the lawyer got a beautiful transcript that proved that the record office employees knew that the argument was bunk and were just trying to play games with word technicalities.

    • @TheLewistownTrainspotter8102
      @TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 5 років тому +34

      @@przemekkozlowski7835 This witness was also overcoached.

    • @JMD501
      @JMD501 2 роки тому +15

      I hate it when people use brand names instead of the actual name of a product. It happens all the time, like q-tip, band-aid, hoover and people calling all soda Coke. God I hate them.

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 2 роки тому +23

      @@JMD501 Sometimes people genuinely don't know the actual name of the product.
      I have no idea what else you would call a band-aid in English.
      Hoover was a rather shortened and nicer word to say than a vacuum machine, or vacuumer. So it sticks.
      I have no idea why you specifically would hate that? You know what it means. They know what it means, and that is genuinely what language is about in general everyday conversation.

    • @jjjacer
      @jjjacer 2 роки тому +5

      @@JMD501 i think its because brand names are so common and the first thing we see when we associate a word to a product, Kleenex, Q-Tip, Band-Aid, Pepsi (up here in the midwest, although we also call them pop, and the water fountains bubblers as Kohler had a fountain branded a bubbler and it was something common up here in the midwest)
      Example. As a kid we would want a facial tissue, but the box said kleenex, so that became our word for it. Also tv ad's

  • @jlastre
    @jlastre 5 років тому +268

    "Do you have facial tissue at the office?"
    "What do you mean by facial tissue?"
    "What paper do you blow your nose with?"
    "Kleenex"

    • @jenniferkozlik8812
      @jenniferkozlik8812 5 років тому +8

      EXACTLY

    • @fleeingglory4352
      @fleeingglory4352 4 роки тому +6

      Well that's reasonable because I've seen poeple use Kleenex as a term for facial tissue. This is craziness

    • @FourZeroNineEight
      @FourZeroNineEight 4 роки тому +2

      - The French

    • @tylerpeterson4726
      @tylerpeterson4726 3 роки тому +6

      @@fleeingglory4352 Way back in the day people used Xerox as a term for photocopiers in general. My near-retired high school biology teacher would say that she would be giving us a Zerox of the reading to take home.

  • @anthonys-6364
    @anthonys-6364 10 років тому +323

    Wow! That was one of the longest Xerox commercials I've ever seen! If advertising was as good as this, it wouldn't be so irritating! (Too bad it really wasn't an Ad)

    • @RectumPunch
      @RectumPunch 5 років тому +2

      I hope you have kids

    • @camipco
      @camipco 5 років тому +5

      Eh, imagine if it kept replaying interrupting whatever show you were watching though...

    • @macforme
      @macforme 4 роки тому +1

      Anthony S-6: One viewing was plenty for me. Some people are masochists, I guess.....",hint, hint, nudge, nudge."

  • @EpitomeProductionz
    @EpitomeProductionz 3 роки тому +237

    I work as the video guy in these depositions. I can say with 100% certainty this happens all the time. My job today was literally a reenactment of this skit, but the questioning attorney was twice as angry and the word in contention was "behalf".

    • @AK-jt7kh
      @AK-jt7kh Рік тому +10

      🤣 That is hilarious! It’s been 2 years. Can you give us some context?

    • @servantprince
      @servantprince Рік тому +2

      What is the half of behalf ?

    • @o3o930
      @o3o930 Рік тому +5

      @@servantprince Surely it's "bequarter". Or perhaps, it's "beh" or "alf"?

  • @maxwell_edison
    @maxwell_edison 5 років тому +98

    "are there any photocopiers?"
    "what type? I can list off 20 different types, please distinguish-"
    "....literally any, buddy."

    • @howardtreesong4860
      @howardtreesong4860 5 років тому +9

      The answer to ‘are there any photocopiers” is not ‘what type’, it’s either ‘yes’, ‘no’ or ‘I don’t know’.

    • @samueldimmock694
      @samueldimmock694 2 роки тому +1

      @@howardtreesong4860 And the answer was "I don't want to answer that, so I will do my best to say I don't know without lying."

  • @jacksonstout5579
    @jacksonstout5579 9 років тому +369

    It's funny because the other lawyer says the words "Xerographic technology" during this haha

    • @SilverSpoon_
      @SilverSpoon_ 5 років тому +45

      which is a photocopy principle, but not on their Xerox® equipment.

  • @MrShoe321
    @MrShoe321 8 років тому +350

    This is probably the single greatest punchline to any comedy video ever.

    • @PanAndScanBuddy
      @PanAndScanBuddy 8 років тому +57

      +MrShoe Considering that this actually happened and was captured via transcript, we are so lucky that Brett did a dramatic re-enactment word-for-word with it.

  • @minimite9493
    @minimite9493 9 років тому +432

    The acting in this was amazing!

  • @HariRauMurthy
    @HariRauMurthy 8 років тому +89

    Regarding the photocopy machines ..."Some of them are under gas power.." . Priceless

  • @gwpmason
    @gwpmason 10 років тому +276

    The employee was clearly briefed by the corporate attorney to avoid answering the question in principle!

    • @RainbowManification
      @RainbowManification 5 років тому +62

      In the actual deposition the opposing counsel used this and flipped it on his head. This is a brief dramatization involving over 11 pages of deposition testimony where he went on about this photocopy machine nonsense and made him seem like an imbecile in the eyes of the jury.

    • @fuckgoogle6716
      @fuckgoogle6716 3 роки тому +1

      It's a joke, folks. Stop trying to analyze it.

    • @Felibarr
      @Felibarr 6 місяців тому

      @@fuckgoogle6716It's not a joke. It's a transcript from a real deposition.

  • @aaronacrabtree
    @aaronacrabtree 8 років тому +444

    That's a very well-coached deponent.

    • @ChrisBroyles33
      @ChrisBroyles33 8 років тому +79

      +Aaron Crabtree I thought the same thing...I've dealt with a career-full of working with some insane (and inane) deponents and attorneys, and this had me chuckling throughout. Esp. the fact that this WASN'T a patent case, in which this back and forth is par for the course on virtually every "term of the art" being debated. But to be coached that well to deliver the equivalent of "not the best of my recollection" 100 times was magic. And infuriating. :)

    • @ravenblood1954
      @ravenblood1954 5 років тому +96

      @@ChrisBroyles33 But the defense lost the case xD. In fact part of the reason why they lost was that the opposing lawyer pretty much destroyed their credibility by showing how the defense is so unwilling to answer a simple question. The Ohio Supreme Court voted 7-0

    • @dmarsub
      @dmarsub 5 років тому +28

      @@ravenblood1954 in 6:15 the video says the case never went to trial.
      Can you explain :)?

    • @QoStoOds
      @QoStoOds 5 років тому +32

      @@dmarsub After googling "Cuyahoga county Ohio recorder office case", you'll find www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2012/02/cuyaoga_county_loses_copier_case.html

    • @Graybat12
      @Graybat12 5 років тому +22

      @@dmarsub might have been summary judgment instead of trial

  • @idontwantgoogleusingmyreal4385
    @idontwantgoogleusingmyreal4385 10 років тому +54

    I could easily picture John Malkovich playing the part of the attorney conducting the deposition.

  • @Teabonesteak
    @Teabonesteak 5 років тому +21

    The lawyer with the mustache is John Ennis. He is like an undercover actor; incredibly talented but very under rated. He was VERY funny on 'Mr. Show'

  • @flexor212000
    @flexor212000 8 років тому +301

    This would happen if someone talked about a Kleenex vs a tissue.

    • @IsaacCoverstone
      @IsaacCoverstone 8 років тому +78

      in your experience, have you or anyone in your office ever used a thin layer of paper to expedite the process of vacating mucus from their sinuses?

    • @Raidr
      @Raidr 8 років тому +29

      +slayer1am I don't understand thin layer of paper... we use office supplied thin cloth to vacate mucus from sinuses.

    • @IsaacCoverstone
      @IsaacCoverstone 8 років тому +14

      teckelred I'm not sure I heard you correctly. Are you telling me, on record, that you do NOT know the definition of "mucus"?

  • @bingerr
    @bingerr 5 років тому +40

    The case involved a challenge to a new records policy by the Cuyahoga County Recorder’s Office in Ohio. According to Marburger, the county took the position that dubbing a CD containing thousands of pages should cost $2 for each digital page-about $5,000 for each dubbed CD. The plaintiff, Data Trace Information Services and Property Insight, was challenging the policy, the Times explains. About two years into the case, the Ohio Supreme Court said the CDs should be made available at a cost of $1 apiece.

    • @Matrim42
      @Matrim42 Рік тому +4

      More than that, some of the CDs they wanted to charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh Рік тому +1

      So how much would they charge for each book-on-tape cassette tape? By the page?

  • @kylejohnson6867
    @kylejohnson6867 Рік тому +195

    As a former Xerox employee who is currently an adjunct professor teaching critical thinking and argumentation, I find this Op-Docs short film extremely entertaining and so satisfying. Those last lines are just priceless, “WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT MACHINE?” “Xerox.” This is one of my favorite videos ever.

    • @AK-jt7kh
      @AK-jt7kh Рік тому +8

      That is so oddly specific to this video and I love it 🤣

    • @willx1987x
      @willx1987x Рік тому +5

      As a former Xerox mid range tech it made me smile too lmao. Now I work on Konica's and the teachers at my district call them Xeroxes

    • @boskee
      @boskee Рік тому +2

      You'll be happy to know "Ksero" - which originated from Xerox - was the term used for photocopies in Poland. No one would ever call it a photocopy. It was Ksero.

    • @Speejays2
      @Speejays2 Рік тому

      Bot?

    • @foxylee58
      @foxylee58 Рік тому +2

      When I came across this a few years ago, I emailed it to the TM Dept. In trying to clean my Outlook (a bit) I came across it again and will recirculate it to the new folks! 😁

  • @hellotheregeneralkenobi365
    @hellotheregeneralkenobi365 3 роки тому +62

    That's hilarious! My guess is the other side wanted to justify the hefty fee by saying that it wasn't for normal photocopying, it was for another technology that could justify the higher cost. So when the lawyer goes right in and asks if there are photocopy machines there then a direct answer can't be given as it would be admitting that the service is just photocopying.

    • @confidential5897
      @confidential5897 Рік тому +15

      Close. The plaintiff had requested records and the county was charging $2 per page to photocopy. But the records were all on a disc; there was no photocopying involved. So the county was trying to charge $2 per page copied to the new disc. You can fit thousands of pages on a disc... They lost the case and now charge a buck or two per disc instead of per page.

  • @BlokeOzzie
    @BlokeOzzie 10 років тому +43

    The somewhat sad thing is, I can understand how the guy being questioned in the actual deposition could be befuddled, if he was a simple-minded person who had only worked in the one office where they had never called photocopying "photocopying" and had only called it "xerox". I've been in office situations where everyone says "Can you Xerox" something and never once heard the word photocopier. As the lawyer, I would not have insulted the intelligence of the person being questioned. I would have jumped straight to, "Do you have a machine where you put in a paper document, and out comes additional copies of that document on new pieces of paper?" "Yes." "What do you call that?" "Xerox". Done.

    • @JunoJaxon_mypjpants
      @JunoJaxon_mypjpants 9 років тому +8

      the lawyer is not trying to insult this mans intelligence. hes trying to figure out and prove that their office didn't have machines required for work. when he noticed the man didnt know what exactly a photo copier was he decided to approach it as 'then you must not have one' but because the man literally avoided every question, the answer was never reached. honestly the nervous guy was annoying for doing that, he acted like hed get in trouble for saying he didn't know what a photo copier was.

  • @thecursor1
    @thecursor1 5 років тому +12

    Actually, yeah, in real life the lawyer wouldn't be that mad, he'd probably would be ecstatic because this argument literally proves his point.

  • @gamertherapyconsoleyoursel5804
    @gamertherapyconsoleyoursel5804 6 років тому +12

    As an IT professional, I am that lawyer every day.

  • @ImSquiggs
    @ImSquiggs 5 років тому +18

    "I understand there are different kinds of photocopy machines, some under electric power, some under gas power..."
    Okay, it''s either me or him that doesn't know what a photocopy machine is, but I've never put gasoline in any device that copies paper.

    • @PsychicDave
      @PsychicDave 5 років тому +4

      You missed a part there, he said there are different kinds like there are different kinds of cars, some with gas, some under electrical power, as in the cars, not the copiers.

  • @cr1138
    @cr1138 8 років тому +581

    This witness is perfect. Every defense attorney could only dream. What an apparatchik....dude understands the law better than the prosecutor.

    • @TheFachen
      @TheFachen 8 років тому +15

      He was a clerk.

    • @Piratejackyar
      @Piratejackyar 8 років тому +64

      Also, the guy asking the questions could have just defined it like he did at the end and saved himself an issue.

    • @ihatenumberinemail
      @ihatenumberinemail 8 років тому +118

      He didn't define it because he wanted to prove that the guy didn't know what a photocopier is.

    • @user-nd7rg5er5g
      @user-nd7rg5er5g 7 років тому +64

      It wasn't that he wanted to prove that the questioning guy wanted to prove that the witness didn't know what a photocopy is, it's that the questioning guy wanted the witness to use the legal term "photocopy," which was specifically established that a photocopy would be subject to fees per page. With as much pages that a large office would go through, the fees would be large. However, the witness manages to skillfully avoid the questioning guy's attempt to get him to using the legal term "photocopy" in regards to what he was doing.

    • @bryanwoods3373
      @bryanwoods3373 7 років тому +84

      I don't think that's quite correct. The case was about the office wanting to charge per photocopy page, so the terminology would have been previously established. For the Recorder's Office to charge for something, they have to display the information. Whether they call it a photocopy or Xerox, the Recorder's Office would have used their preferred nomenclature. Arguing terms is a loophole to get out of the fee. It may even be that both lawyers know that "photocopy" is and has always been used in procedure and policy documentation due to being the commonly used and legally correct term. A problem is that the clerk can't evade the question without being incompetent. Either he is so bad at his job that he has no idea what a photocopier is, or the office is charging for something that they technically don't know they do. And we really don't know the importance of the question, which was just if their office has photocopier machines. Based on the previous question about where electronic copies are stored, it was probably just to establish basic facts to be used in the trial. As it's a deposition, the clerk's testimony is being entered as expert witness evidence. His inability to answer the question destroys his credibility and can be used as an indicator of knowledge within the office.

  • @MistahBradley
    @MistahBradley 8 років тому +77

    This was so stressful.

  • @crankysmurf
    @crankysmurf 10 років тому +37

    That was funnier than most SNL skits.

  • @brucedykes718
    @brucedykes718 8 років тому +92

    Best. Xerox(tm) commercial. Ever.

  • @RandomCarrot2806
    @RandomCarrot2806 4 роки тому +78

    Great video to show witnesses or people testifying what not to do under oath. If it looks like you are dodging a question, being obtuse or otherwise trying to be manipulative it turns the jury or the judge against your side. People really take issue with deceptive behavior, especially in a court of law.

    • @luke_fabis
      @luke_fabis 2 роки тому +9

      This occurred during discovery, though. The facts of the case are still being collected. No judge nor jury.
      This kind of behavior is designed to completely stall legal proceedings.

    • @Peluceus
      @Peluceus 2 роки тому +3

      The case never went to trial. Given that this appears to be a defending witness, this was perfect.

    • @cwolf208
      @cwolf208 2 роки тому +8

      @@luke_fabis He is still under oath during discovery. It could be used during trial if he, as a witness, changes his answers. It absolutely hurts their case to be this obtuse and it's kind of amazing that the other lawyer was in on this. The lawyer trying to bring in the literal technology for a term that clearly encompasses each of those technologies he is listing is amazingly bad lawyering.

    • @coolspider295
      @coolspider295 2 роки тому +1

      They won the case because of this behaviour....
      If he talked it would have been bad for them.

    • @cwolf208
      @cwolf208 2 роки тому +4

      @@coolspider295 The defense did not win this case.

  • @bicyclethief
    @bicyclethief 8 років тому +97

    OMG THIS WAS AMAZING. it's like a David Mamet play

    • @mofo78536
      @mofo78536 8 років тому

      +bicyclethief but in real life!

    • @Blendletan
      @Blendletan 5 років тому

      For sure, it reminds me of the "will you go to lunch?" bit in Glengarry Glenn Ross where the two characters just keep repeating themselves.

  • @TheZgraham
    @TheZgraham 8 років тому +52

    Can we get a series of these? This was hilarious

  • @Runescope
    @Runescope 4 роки тому +11

    $10 says the Client was coached by his lawyer to be deliberately vague and unhelpful.

    • @KingAdrock420
      @KingAdrock420 3 роки тому +1

      I'd hope not, since his bumbling testimony lead to them losing the case...

  • @TieDef
    @TieDef 8 років тому +89

    The stenographer is hilarious.

    • @dLimboStick
      @dLimboStick 5 років тому

      I don't understand.

    • @maina.wambui
      @maina.wambui 5 років тому

      @@dLimboStick they're referring to the woman taking notes

    • @quelorepario
      @quelorepario 5 років тому +10

      @@maina.wambui I don't understand, what do you mean by woman

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 5 місяців тому

      @@quelorepario Let me make sure I understand your question. You don't have an understanding of what a woman is?

  • @eldes200
    @eldes200 9 років тому +162

    Oh look it's Ki's dad from VGHS :D

    • @jibclimmer
      @jibclimmer 9 років тому +26

      OMG I KNEW I RECOGNIZED THE GUY.

    • @Satrynx
      @Satrynx 9 років тому +2

      Jesse Brauning BROOMSHAKALAKA

    • @allandonald6248
      @allandonald6248 9 років тому +2

      That's where he was from! I couldn't figure it out! Thanks!

    • @krmusick
      @krmusick 9 років тому

      +eldes200 THANK YOU!

  • @user-bv5xn4bh7r
    @user-bv5xn4bh7r 5 років тому +15

    This is literally one of the greatest bits of modern comedy. It is 7 minutes of the greatest slow build to the most amazing punchline. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @starvalkyrie
    @starvalkyrie 4 роки тому +21

    Back to watch this again, the stenographers reactions alone are next level.

  • @roosterdawggwoof5253
    @roosterdawggwoof5253 10 років тому +12

    A few weeks ago I went to the courthouse to clarify a property tax issue. The Assessor's office sent me to the Clerks office that sent me to the Treasurer's office to get copies of five pages of documentation, at $1 per page, to take back to the Assessors office and by the time I got out of the courthouse I had a $10 parking ticket for exceeding my time limit!

  • @SodiumWage
    @SodiumWage 2 роки тому +11

    John Ennis (the frustrated lawyer here) plays the guy pretending to be the arbitration judge in the final season of Better Call Saul. Legend!

    • @allisonchainz82
      @allisonchainz82 Рік тому +1

      He was in mr show with bob odenkirk so I’m sure they’re still buddies !

  • @mikeindiacharliehotelalpha2373
    @mikeindiacharliehotelalpha2373 5 років тому +284

    Anyone else here from the Legal Eagle?

    • @drdoominstien713
      @drdoominstien713 5 років тому

      Yep

    • @abdurrazzak305
      @abdurrazzak305 5 років тому

      Me

    • @nickfotopoulos5323
      @nickfotopoulos5323 5 років тому +1

      Everyone.

    • @RobinLionheart
      @RobinLionheart 5 років тому +1

      Yes, and I'm glad I came. I think if I were questioning a witness this evasive on the stand, I'd let him run me ragged in view of the jury, sinking his side's credibility further and further.

    • @MichelleseaChelle
      @MichelleseaChelle 5 років тому

      Me! Lol.

  • @NoahFroio
    @NoahFroio 10 років тому +53

    OMG! That was absolutely brilliant; I was actually expecting him to say 'mimeograph'; however, that may be aging myself...

    • @Fede_uyz
      @Fede_uyz 5 років тому +1

      And the thing is.... its real. This actually happened to a poor lawyer

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 5 місяців тому

      @@Fede_uyz Meh. They could use some comeuppance.

  • @abtin1
    @abtin1 4 роки тому +68

    This is so accurate it's crazy. I've been in depos like this with witnesses just as evasive as this guy.

    • @MenacingBanjo
      @MenacingBanjo 2 роки тому +11

      I mean... it's accurate because the script is taken from a real depo verbatim.

    • @abtin1
      @abtin1 2 роки тому +4

      @@MenacingBanjo I meant this type of situation is common. I wasn't questioning whether this script is from a real case. I guess the use of "accurate" was confusing.

  • @HomebrewHorsepower
    @HomebrewHorsepower 5 років тому +37

    True story: I was once asked by a supervisor to "take a picture" of a document and put the picture on her desk.
    When she discovered the Polaroid on her desk later that day I was fired because she believed I used the Polaroid to mock her for calling a photocopy a picture.

    • @McBehrer
      @McBehrer Рік тому +1

      lmao she deserved to be mocked, a copy and a picture are completely different

  • @aaronbrown8377
    @aaronbrown8377 3 роки тому +3

    This is what I imagine what a deposition of Vaush would look like.

    • @spht9ng
      @spht9ng 3 роки тому

      rare DGG'er comment.

    • @aaronbrown8377
      @aaronbrown8377 3 роки тому

      @@spht9ng I do not subscribe to Destiny, ragging on dishonest grifters is a game everyone can get behind.

  • @aaronlandry3947
    @aaronlandry3947 2 роки тому +6

    This is a clear example of witness coaching. That witness or defendant whatever he is that can't answer what is and isn't a photocopier using very specific language over and over again is clear evidence that he was coached by the lawyer on what to say and how to say stuff.

  • @MRayner59
    @MRayner59 10 років тому +70

    Hilarious. And also horrifying in that's it's real.

    • @saucybackport
      @saucybackport 10 років тому +5

      getting stuck naked in the desert is horrifying - this story is incredibly inspiring

    • @MRayner59
      @MRayner59 10 років тому +17

      Utopic Unicorn It's a figure of speech - not something meant to be taken literally.

    • @LisaLiel
      @LisaLiel 10 років тому +5

      Utopic Unicorn Inspiring? Inspiring? It inspires me to write the defense attorney's neck.

    • @saucybackport
      @saucybackport 10 років тому +1

      Lisa Liel
      instead of beating your had against the wall in your fury, you should think with your brain about the moral of this story - people around are as dumb as you are so you shouldn't rely on them unless some unchangeable conditions prevent you from getting smarter

    • @LisaLiel
      @LisaLiel 10 років тому +12

      Utopic Unicorn
      It actually reminds me of Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

  • @richardhall9815
    @richardhall9815 4 роки тому +6

    I think he inhaled too many of those gas-powered Xerox fumes.

  • @benweinstein5460
    @benweinstein5460 6 років тому +32

    I think the defendant is just really into post-structuralism

  • @NinoBrown08
    @NinoBrown08 4 роки тому +34

    The second lawyer is so underrated in this . He's loving it.

  • @SVSaltyAbandon
    @SVSaltyAbandon 5 років тому +12

    Honestly, I have never I heard anyone call a copy machine a "photo copying" machine.

    • @McBehrer
      @McBehrer Рік тому +2

      but if someone did, is there any chance you would be confused as to what they meant?

  • @wpatrickw2012
    @wpatrickw2012 5 років тому +8

    The confusion is understandable if the deposition was being held in the late-1960's or 1970's. The term photocopier did not come into common use until the early 1980's. Xerox machine and Xerox copy were the terms used until then.

  • @SapientGalaxy
    @SapientGalaxy 5 років тому +19

    God, I love all of the performances, but the stenographer is great. She doesn't say a word, but you can tell all of her emotions.

  • @bent1640
    @bent1640 8 років тому +19

    How is John Ennis not the top credit for this? He's listed behind:
    -Director
    -Executive Producer
    -The three Weiner producers and Dana Wickens
    -Coordinating Producer
    -SERIES RESEARCHER (come on)
    -Cinematographer
    -Editor
    -Associate Producers x2
    and finally...
    The Cast
    LOL, Dude give credit where credit is due. He made this entire thing watchable imo.

  • @auricgoldfinger4424
    @auricgoldfinger4424 8 років тому +6

    You see, a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.

  • @bac4998
    @bac4998 8 років тому +8

    The guy being deposed is a guy who understand depositions and law. Good for him.

    • @OlafoWaffle
      @OlafoWaffle 6 років тому +1

      Or he catches an obstruction of justice beef

  • @kewkabe
    @kewkabe 8 років тому +271

    I have a scanner and a printer. Do I have a photocopying machine?

    • @Chrisallengallery
      @Chrisallengallery 8 років тому +15

      2 halfs.

    • @FalconFetus8
      @FalconFetus8 8 років тому +26

      +kewkabe Depends. Is it a combination scanner-printer, or is it two separate devices? If they are two separate devices, then you also need a computer for it to be considered a photocopy machine.

    • @TELEVISIBLE
      @TELEVISIBLE 8 років тому +7

      no , you have a sanner and a printer

    • @kewkabe
      @kewkabe 8 років тому +15

      *****
      It's two separate devices, and I can scan directly to a thumb drive and print images directly off the thumb drive without use of a computer. So you're saying I don't have a photocopier, even though I can create paper copies of documents? Under oath I would perjure myself by saying I have a photocopier when I don't, and would I perjure myself if I say I don't have a photocopier, because the common sense interpretation of the question is really "can you make copies of documents?" That's why the guy asked for clarification. The lawyer could have simply asked "does your office have a way to create copies of documents?" so he brought this all on himself.

    • @Millstone1985
      @Millstone1985 8 років тому +12

      +kewkabe
      But the guy had a Xerox. That's not a scanner plugged to a computer plugged to a printer. That's a photocopier if there ever was one, all in one device.

  • @edsmelly
    @edsmelly 6 років тому +5

    I've been employed in lots of offices and made, literally, tens of thousands of photocopies but I don't think I've ever used the terms "photocopy" or "photocopier". I would say "copy" and "copier".

  • @a24396
    @a24396 5 років тому +23

    This is one of the greatest things I've ever watched...
    I especially love the interjection by the frustrated lawyer: "NO!? Not sure of that?"

  • @thegreenbaron6439
    @thegreenbaron6439 5 років тому +11

    This would make a great opening scene for a movie

    • @clauce7953
      @clauce7953 5 років тому +2

      The Green Baron Or ending.

  • @BuckJolicoeur
    @BuckJolicoeur 6 років тому +12

    "XEROX" I keeled over laughing.

  • @KoiandDragon
    @KoiandDragon 8 років тому +496

    FBI: Hillary, Did you have any classified emails on your private server?
    Hillary: What do you mean by "emails?"

    • @DrCruel
      @DrCruel 8 років тому +41

      Hillary: What do you mean by "server?" You mean, like someone who serves you drinks? A server at Applebee's?

    • @DrCruel
      @DrCruel 8 років тому +7

      Robo9400 HIllary: Hey, no fair! I'm clever too!

    • @vasyan123
      @vasyan123 7 років тому +27

      FBI: Have you ever wiped information on your private server?
      Hillary: Like with a cloth?

    • @kagenweeks1010
      @kagenweeks1010 7 років тому

      Repubs

    • @jasons9583
      @jasons9583 7 років тому +30

      FBI: Trump, how long have you been in contact with Russian officials?
      Trump: What do you mean by "Russians"?

  • @MrWazzup987
    @MrWazzup987 10 років тому +7

    I have long since disavowed the existence of photocopiers. This only proves my conviction that these devices don't exist.

  • @sushh1
    @sushh1 8 років тому +32

    "can you xerox this for me?"

  • @keeperofthecheese
    @keeperofthecheese 8 років тому +10

    I wish they would make more of these, but I don't think they are getting enough views.

  • @MR1shank
    @MR1shank 8 років тому +28

    gas powered photocopier?

    • @GageFilms
      @GageFilms 5 років тому

      It's just a photocopier with goggles.

  • @csingson2049
    @csingson2049 8 років тому +28

    give this guy an emmy

  • @piratecheese13
    @piratecheese13 7 років тому +5

    3:30
    "some of them run under gas power some of them under electric power"
    guy do you mean to tell me you've seen a printer that runs on gasoline but not on electricity?

  • @notinthemoodfornames8033
    @notinthemoodfornames8033 4 роки тому +14

    The lawyer on the left seems like "the good guy," but his inability/refusal to define a photocopier and move the argument forward is part of this absurdity too.

    • @NapanTR
      @NapanTR 2 роки тому

      If only he would've just started with defining what he meant as the other guy asked, all of that frustration and time waste would've been avoided.

  • @coralaisly
    @coralaisly 8 років тому +8

    I love that you can just watch the stenographer realize she has made a terrible mistake and regrets her choice of career.

    • @MyLokelani08
      @MyLokelani08 6 років тому +3

      EmileeArsenic oh no, she is loving it!

  • @jjgrey1488
    @jjgrey1488 5 років тому +5

    I've actually had bosses who did stuff like this to get out of paying up on their end...of course, it was always to THEIR benefit to do this...IF the issue favored THEM, they understood every single detail down to the last drop...

  • @zeusnitch
    @zeusnitch 3 роки тому +7

    I love the stenographer's cool and calm throughout the entire exchange

  • @mictest12
    @mictest12 6 років тому +6

    John Ennis. Killing the angry characters since Mr. Show in '94.

  • @godzilladestroyscities1757
    @godzilladestroyscities1757 4 роки тому +2

    I work as tech support for a HVAC components manufacturer. We don't build your furnaces, we build a lot of the little gadgets that make your furnace work. Everyday I have a moment like this with a customer, a professional technician. It's nuts on how ignorant people are.
    This morning I explained 5 times to a customer how a switch works. Think of a light switch, that's what I'm talking about. On or off, that's it. People can be dense.

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 5 місяців тому

      But he is being intentionally dense.

  • @PaigePiskinTV
    @PaigePiskinTV 10 років тому +35

    LOL this is awesome! Well done Times!

  • @Mriya6
    @Mriya6 Рік тому +2

    Why would he not know the term photocopier but know the brand/company name Xerox, that's insanity. That's like knowing the brand "Canon" or "Nikon" but not knowing the word "Camera"

  • @flexor212000
    @flexor212000 10 років тому +29

    Don't worry guys. The lawyers weren't really that upset. They charge over 500 dollars an hour...

  • @sleepyprinny
    @sleepyprinny 6 років тому +5

    Our professor used this very video for class today... and never have I laughed so hard.

  • @prazail
    @prazail 6 років тому +78

    Perfect witness. This dramatization makes him look like a schlub, but he didn't give up an inch.

    • @ravenblood1954
      @ravenblood1954 5 років тому +43

      But they lost the case because the Supreme Court Judges are not idiots xD. They lost by a vote of 7-0. It looks really bad when the defense refuses to answer a very basic question.

    • @stevenclark5173
      @stevenclark5173 5 років тому +5

      @@ravenblood1954 How can they lose a case that didn't go to trial.

    • @HermitBlake
      @HermitBlake 5 років тому +17

      Steven Clark like this www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2012/02/cuyaoga_county_loses_copier_case.html

    • @NeoCreo1
      @NeoCreo1 5 років тому +18

      This is actually a great example of an over-coached witness, and is something you definitely do not want.

    • @TheLewistownTrainspotter8102
      @TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 5 років тому

      Perfect witness? More like an overcoached witness. They were essentially coached too well and they refused to answer even the most simple mundane questions and the lawyer just goes apoplectic.

  • @gernhartreinholzen3992
    @gernhartreinholzen3992 Рік тому +2

    Lawyer: Your name is John Smith, is that right?
    John Smith: I don't understand your question.
    Lawyer: Is John Smith your name?
    John Smith: When you say "name" what do you mean?

  • @monzorella1
    @monzorella1 2 роки тому +4

    One of the best videos on UA-cam. The acting it fantastic ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

  • @sebianoti
    @sebianoti 7 років тому +58

    I really want a full version of that outro music

    • @mman454
      @mman454 6 років тому +5

      Sebastian if you look in the credits in the outro there is a line with the name of the person who was responsible for the music. Perhaps look them up and get in touch with them to see about obtaining a copy?

    • @RandomGuy-ch7ur
      @RandomGuy-ch7ur 6 років тому +9

      Thanks to Max Nelson for finding it.
      soundcloud.com/jordansthings/music-composed-for-the-short-film-verbatim

  • @grahamkent7036
    @grahamkent7036 8 років тому +32

    Word up to Mr. Show fans.

  • @techmouse.
    @techmouse. 5 років тому +5

    This is the best episode of WKUK yet!

  • @YesThatBobWest
    @YesThatBobWest 10 років тому +11

    Posted this to Facebook with these comments:
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    There are no words to describe how freaking brilliant this is. Director Brett Weiner created a film whose script is, verbatim, a portion of a civil suit deposition dealing with photocopiers. It's absurd and hilarious--and frightening to know that this is the stuff that goes on in our courts. It's lit and shot like a thriller feature, well directed and well cut. But the performances make it. They're all home runs. Arguably, the court reporter has the best role--even though she never says a word, she gets in reaction shots that are sublime perfection. This short should be making the rounds at the festivals. Watch and enjoy.

  • @deirenne
    @deirenne 3 роки тому +10

    I really NEED, with every fiber of my being, to see this play out on TV as a commercial for Xerox

  • @HypnoticHorizons
    @HypnoticHorizons 3 роки тому +4

    anybody else here from the sphere inside out video?

  • @Hypercube9
    @Hypercube9 3 роки тому +1

    He's not wrong. It doesn't ONLY copy photos, and therefore is MORE than a photocopier! It's a Xerox. Also, "the photocopier" might refer to the PERSON who does the Xeroxing!

  • @Fireball_Roberts
    @Fireball_Roberts 8 років тому +253

    Hello fellow Reddits, and a happy St. Patrick's day I wish unto you!
    Edit: Wow I can't believe my highest rated comment was about St. Patrick's day!

    • @barelyed1ble
      @barelyed1ble 8 років тому +4

      happy saint patricks day and congrats on the gold

    • @Jack-vp9kl
      @Jack-vp9kl 8 років тому +17

      M'gild.

    • @mollyprice3568
      @mollyprice3568 8 років тому +2

      +Reddit Gold User Is this really how you spend your spare time? I bet you live a thrilling life

    • @DarrelJohnson
      @DarrelJohnson 8 років тому +5

      M'Holiday.

    • @napachick
      @napachick 8 років тому

      +Reddit Gold User Lá fhéile Pádraig sona duit

  • @Jirekianu
    @Jirekianu 5 років тому +6

    Oh man, he should have fired back, "WHICH IS A TYPE OF?"