SHOCKING MISS?! $6M Michael Jordan Rookie Cards Fail to Hit BGS 10, 31 PSA 10s Stumble!"
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2023
- SHOCKING MISS?! $6M Michael Jordan Rookie Cards Fail to Hit BGS 10, 31 PSA 10s Stumble!"
At the 2023 National in Chicago recently Rick Probstein, Known as Probstein123, Ventures to Cross Over 31 Michael Jordan PSA 10 1986 Fleer Rookies to BGS in Pursuit of Coveted BGS 10 Pristine Grade!
PSA POP - 319
BGS POP - 6
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As a collector of 6 years, I've grown to care less and less about the grading and pricing of the cards, and more about actual collecting.
Like these numbers mean literally nothing if its the same exact card. Most people can't tell the difference between a 7 and 10 from 3 feet away. Sometimes collectors get so tied up in the price and protential profit on a saturated market calling everything "investments" that most forgot why they originally started collecting in the first place.
At the end of the day... the true value of a card is determined by how much it actually makes you happy. It's why I stopped collecting long ago. Prices just got out of hand and I am happy with what I have.
I know exactly what you mean. I try to get my signatures in person, primarily NBA 75, this way I don’t have to worry about fakes. This past weekend I got signatures from Julius Irving, Allen Iverson, Dennis Rodman, Gary Payton and David “Big Papi” Ortiz … all in person. I did a basic registration with PSA at the show.
I’m not worried about reselling.
The value for me is 1. The awestruck look on peoples faces when they see my collection, and the conversations it sparks; and 2. The comfort I get in watching a game at home for a fraction of what I’d pay at some sports bar with a handful of crap jerseys.
wait, so you care about collecting more, but stopped collecting? Why wouldn't you take your same budget and buy cards that you like with it, if that's truly what makes you happy?
Prob is a turd. Collectors that act like their cards or collection is superior just cracks me up. I love when you show someone a hit and they can’t be happy for ya instead wanna just show you all their best cards like your a peasant hahaha. Keep it fun whatever it takes 💯
Grading is a scam . Too many stories of people buying the grade they want.
What lol
Absolutely
They are for sure giving higher grades to themselves and friends, and I am sure they also switch cards out all the time improving what they hold.
@@joebauers3746 how much do we owe you for your opinion, sir?
Just discovered your channel and I’m loving it!
Everyone has said it- if you send in a card in a competitive company's holder, then it will never cross over to a higher grade with the new company, due to the simple, yet abundantly obvious reason of subjectve bias. There is nothing positive that can come out for BGS if they crossed a PSA card into a BGS 10. Great look for PSA, and bad look for BGS. Probstein is stupid for even thinking it would happen.
This exact reason why you should crack then send….
@@APinTheAK crack 6 million dollars though? I guess if one does indeed grade a bgs 10 then the gamble was worth it because you could crack all the 9.5s and resubmit to psa and hopefully get 10s again but yeah that's risky business considering bgs only has given 6 10s and they haven't given one in over 10 years so they're likely stricter on the card now.
@@ljkb23 I sent in approximately 500 modern(ish) cards to Beckett for grading about 4 years ago and got 2 10's back! I had approximately 250 9.5's come out of it and they were all beautiful cards. They do not give 10's.
Before SCR, Beckett would have graded at least 5 of them black label 10, but now the good ol boys network is under a 10x 🔎, they can't pull these shenanigans anymore.
Back when Fleer released this in 1986 I was slling/buying sports cards as a hobby. At most of the shows I set up at 1986 Fleer Basketball was not very popular, Baseball & football were what collectors were after. I remember stacks of these boxes sitting on tables unsold.
I'll never understand why people would rather PSA
slabs over Beckett
Dude seems super shady
Dude looks like a lady.....yeah...yeah....
Look at his fucking hat...tells you all you need to know...haha
I wouldn't be surprised if half of those cards are fakes.
This industry is a huge scam. I feel bad for collectors getting fleeced by these sharks.
There are a lot of fake cars in circulation the grading companies are needed nowadays.
I wonder if any had all 9.5+ subgrades
Out of 13,552 graded only 6 are BGS 10 Pristine and no Black Labels. Not surprised none came back Pristine. PSA gives 10's like its going out of style.
Hopefully we get back to the BGS 9.5 equalling PSA 10 in pricing
1000%. PSA is hurting themselves.
that be the day when bgs does 1mill cards a month LMFAO bgs is done company garbage
BGS is less restrictive with their grading now, so I doubt we see that happen. There will be a flood of BGS 9.5s
was that actually the case at some point? Hard to believe that
@@smey02 Yes it was . And the BGS 10 WAS KING
I’m so glad. He is the worst and runs a shady business
Why do you say that? What is his business name? What has he done?
@@RobertLee-wi5kc The fact that 3 or 4 of his cards mentioned were deactivated by PSA shows a lot.
He actually has a good reputation as a consignment auction house. Lol
@@JustinB-rl6vzUmmm..read more comments. Also, I’ve had personal run ins where I did not receive a card and it was canceled (assuming it was too low) and also cards that were bid up in the last minute to totals that haven’t been reached. Look at his prices sold compared to others during the same time.
well played BGS 💯‼
Love these videos. Great writing/research.
moral of the story: don't cross-grade, crack and submit raw (risk it for da biscuit)
Nice video and you're correct, the deactivated certs don't necessarily mean Rick's copies are bad.
It's a heavily counterfeited item, so there's always a risk, even the active cards are bad.
which enters the floodgates for insert"ai grading" company
PSA needs to start watermarking the photographs of their graded cards, that'll make it a bit harder for the fakes.
great video, I remember seeing that card growing up only once.
I regrets not buying it was selling for $100 but at that time $100 was big money in 1993
yeah, I think a PSA10 was like 6k back then
Grading is such a scam on most cards. This card is one that should be graded but 99/100 cards people get graded for no reason.
Beckett the best. Don’t be a follower , be a leader
I want to know who made his frame. I would love to do this on a smaller scale with my Emmitt Smtih cards.
Should of sold 30 of them amd kept 1
Amazing cards with fudge loving this shop im sure Jay loved it there wowwww !🙏😂😂😂😂🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
If you had cracked them out and submitted - would have been better odds
He would have had 31 BGS 9.5 Jordan's and lost over 3M dollars... he's not that dumb
Thisssss!!!!!
If you collect money yeah.
Every PSA fan, who doesn't understand BGS, need to watch this excellent video. BGS 10 needs to be placed right at the top where it belongs(~3x or more of a PSA 10). The value of a BGS 9.5 is not the equivalent of a PSA 9 either. That drives me crazy! This Injustice started during the pandemic. It was much different prior to that.
Makes no sense a9.5bgs wouldn’t be equal to psa 10!
31 PSA 10 Jordan rookies!!! Hearing that is CRAZY!!! wow
i find this interesting that you find it interesting. i actually enjoyed this video.
lol if Rick didn't prescreen those psa 10s, he's just lazy or incompetent. at best 5-6 would have a chance to cross. sounds like a marketing stunt for Beckett tbh.
He’ll probably say that Beckett is antisemetic 🤦
Probablly in on it and gets him and becket GREAT publicity
This is completely meaningless bc none of them were cracked, grading companies have huge egos & will automatically be extremely biased on crossovers in an attempt to prove to people that they have the stricter grading standards! It’s all BS & ego & crossovers never get a fair grade speaking from a lot of personal experience here
They won't crack it open unless they can guarantee a higher grade....
@@saltyunono… he is saying… you crack it, then send it in. Only possible way you might get a better grade.
@@APinTheAK yea what I'm saying is BGS won't crack it open unless they can guarantee a better grade. I've seen others they'll do that for
Grading is just a scam in itself. Any real collector knows what grade a card is.
Yeah he should of cracked them and submitted them. I think its a PR stunt as he should know this.
Ever since Beckett started grading a pristine became the rarest and highest grade.
It shows also the grading happened years ago.
What are the odds of finding a jordan rookie in a sealed fleer pack 86
So if a BGS 10 was cracked to be regraded by Beckett. Would the maximum rating be 9.5?
Y would you crack open something thats already a 10 please make yhat make sense
I dont think he cracked them open, he just submitted for crossover with a minimum grade of 10
I love it
Only family membersOr friends or or partners in the can't make more of them because they'll go down and they gotta make The illusion that cards are really valuable... get A BGs 10
Right because they aren't rare LMAO 😂
Unfortunately you’re not allowed to Minimum grade 10…. Highest you can do is 9.5… for Beckett …so every one of them should have been cracked out to Bgs 9.5
I dont think thats true, especially on cross overs
@@nydibs absolutely true. Bgs wouldn’t let me min grade 10 on a downtown hgs 10 and said min grade the highest was 9.5
The grass aint greener on the other side in this case it seems.
Is there a bgs with all 10's?
Yes. BGS Black Labels..
Love it 0-31
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." -- Wayne Gretzky
“100% of The Putts That Come Up Short, Never Go In”: Albert Einstein lol.
- Michael Scott
Yeah but how many would have gone in when you passed to the open guy:)
Sounds like he should’ve left shit alone.
nah. those psa slabs look horrendous.
Whats a bgs 10 really worth?$300k?
BGS IS UNDER VALUED
2:54 there’s that number again.
Nobody's paying millions for a bgs 10 Jordan. Those days are long gone and that guy was a fool to turn down the 6 million for those cards.
I would have taken that 6 million flat. I know there's gonna be a huge recession coming up. My father works at 1 of the big firms. it's coming soon.
Yep I'd be buy gold and silver
Of course Beckett is not going to admit PSA got it right.
I would call this one #epic_mj card -)
I said it back in '89 and I'll say it again that this isn't Jordan's RC card. It's his first Fleer (or one of two Fleer) card. Jordan's true rookie card is '84-'85 Star card. Personally, I don't collect 3rd year card.
THANK YOU!!!
FYI, they were not making basketball cards for several years back then. Topps stopped making NBA cards in 81-82'. That is why Fleer Premiere is called Fleer Premiere. It's the first year of making Fleer basketball cards. The Star card was deemed irrelevant because it was not made by a known basketball card brand. It was a limited edition run card. Every kid in the card shops saw the Star brand Jordan Rookie card. They were rare but not rare enough where you would not see them in a card shop during the time of Fleer Premiere cards in 1986 and through the early 90's.
Ok then, good for you.
Ahh but you could not buy Star in a pack. If you use that argument there are lots of locals including bread and cookie cards that are "first"
@@odinsameasfirst2640 Star cards cost more as used as promos at the stadiums. Pretty sure the free promo sold for 10.00 which was alot for 10 card team sets. Not like quality was better most jordans off center. Then of course the high jinx later from the "undiscovered pallets of sheets"
I hate scammers, but I hate over priced products more.
Overpriced products is fine. Just don't but them. If a ferrari is 2 million and you and I don't buy it and the next guy does well that's fair market capitalism. Everyone hates high prices except the seller:) everyone else just hates the fact that you could have bought that jordan rookie when it was TOO HIGH at 100.00:)
Lol 90s card stock is already tough, 80s card stock is pretty bad
Don't yuo think that even if everyone was a beckett pristine 10 that 5 or 6 would be a smidge better. I would never send in more than 5 of any card that I think are 10s. Nice to be subjective but take 5 super models put them in a line and really tell me they are all going to be equal to each of us. Just an opinion that cost nothing. I would like to know how much Probstein paid Beckett to do basically nothing:)
Most likely Beckett knew these cards were altered that's why they didn't give one of them a BGS 10.
Beckett consistently grades more altered cards than all
The other services. For the bull of their existence they willing grade cards without factory cuts. You are ignorant of the facts just like the maker of this video is. You are the perfect fool to digest this bs video.
Puber fail.
This was just a publicity stunt by this guy at the national... he wasn't offered $6m at the NSCC
Facts I would of taken that n a second
When he goes back to psa…will he get the same grade….wink wink nudge nudge old boys network.
It looks like he just submitted them as a crossover item, so none of them were cracked out. He still has all his cards in PSA 10 holders. He was hoping to see some of them in a Beckett holder meaning he got a BGS 10. They were all graded a BGS 9.5 which is their GEM MINT 10 equivalent.
@@floridamaddogg Yeah so he had a 10 and still has a 10. They gave him the sub grades so he knows why they are not 10plus:) I wonder if he still was charged and how much. Plus why show them 30 at one time??
@@RobertLee-wi5kc I was thinking about what they charged him. The fact this was more a publicity stunt, normal pricing may not have happened here, but for any normal person, I feel each card could cost $1000 or more to get graded since the declared values of each is 6+ figures. He showed the stack of all 30 indicating they are all in the same PSA holder, none of them crossed over to a BGS holder meaning it would have been a BGS 10.
Maybe 4 million? Wake up.
Grading is a joke...
Said this in a recent post and got flamed lol. I think a BGS 9.5 is better then most PSA 10's and should be valued that way. I purchased some recently graded PSA 10's and centering was way off. At this point how can PSA give a 10 to something that is obviously not? I can understand a grading company getting more stringent over the years but the other way around? Is PSA setting up their reputation to fail?
The higher the rating they give the card, the more valuable it is. Hence the more money PSA makes since they charge the grading fee by the card's worth now.
@@metallicafan99999 Yes, a model that seems flawed for sure
@@len6482 absolutely, scam ridden for sure
Why would you buy a 10 that is way off center?? Did you not see it or???
PSA makes it clear that they allow 60/40 centering for a PSA10
BGS is more strict on centering, but less strict on corners and edges
well they werent 6 million dollars worth were they. lol.
BGS is really stringent with their grading metrics. 0-31 is just downright disappointing.😕
not really. I'm sure if you calculate the actual amount of BGS 10's vs the number graded, the percentage is probably super low.
all topps now and panini instant should be 90% 10 rating, but thats not the case... =(
Card grading is a joke !!
Logan paul would of gotten a black label
If u try to crossover BGS 10s to PSA 10s there’s a very good chance that a few of them won’t crossover & be labeled altered or min size
I'm sorry but what kind of dumb guy turns down 6 million dollars..... If he gets lucky and sells all those cards for 200000 a card... But it will take . At least 5 to10 years.. Chances are not long it will go down not up There is just too many of the Is them... And I promise you the one that's got those perfect tense.. Is that company's buddies The only person that gets those perfect tens is the people that's buddies or family memberscams
You think there was ever really an offer? Prob is one of the sleaziest dealers to have ever existed. I wouldn't trust anything this dude says. Also, I highly doubt he actually owns all of these cards. Probably charging a vaulting fee.
If there were no buyers and everyone thought they are going down then they would not be selling for 220,000 plus fees. No reason to sell below market. I am sure someone sold one for 5,000 ten years ago thinking the same thing. If you think it is too high sell yours, oh yeah you don't have one.
Great video. Anyone holding collectibles like this - sell ASAP. Prices are crumbling. Only getting worse. Unless you can afford to hold for 10+ yrs, sell now.
If the guy has 6 million dollars worth of Jordan PSA10s, I doubt he has the same worries that you do
@@nydibs I do believe the man holding 6 million in Jordan cards has 6 million more reasons to be worried, in fact. One day you’ll get it 🤙✨
@@zz-.- you're right, I'm sure he has no idea what he's doing. Only an unsuccessful idiot would have so much money in cards
Thank goodness he has you to give him financial advice
There all fake there not putting there name on it
BGS is a scam. 0 for 31. 😮
Bgs is just flexing
Beckett saw this as a way to trash PSA. I am sorry but they didn't start card grading or have the corner on experts. If anything this should hurt the whole grading mess/scam. Anyone with 31 Jordan rookies unless he pulled them from packs has too many eggs in one basket. A friend of mine has 5 1984 Star sets in the package with invoice.
Beckett started card grading before PSA. Beckett existed before PSA 😂😂
But they were not the first card grading company either. Beckett has a conflict of interest pricing the cards they grade@@controversialcardchannel
He didnt crack any so who care?
Good way to shut down a hoarder, Manipulator
????? So now investing is evil? So if you buy more than ????? you are a hoarder?
publicity stunt
Scam lol system they will put on there card lol dont fall for that grading system 😅😅😅😅 only a fool buy grade card
Pop control
this video....IF you have ANY kind of brain...should tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about grading........enough said. I will hold my comments.
rick is a shiller
NO, it makes better argument that human input is bullsvit and the future of Grading will be AI technology. Remove all of the human error, bias, and price controls. 0-31 shows both sides. PSA is inept, and BGS won't let certain cards into the club. None of my cards will ever be graded, until the AI platform becomes mainstream. Time both of these dinosaurs go into the dustbin of grading history.
Figures a jew
What's wrong with the small hats? Surely you haven't been noticing things have you? The nose knows 😂
No need for your idiotic and bigoted comment. Plenty of wealthy and greedy collectors, both Jews and non-Jews.
USE TAG grading. Then you will know why they gave the grade!
But then the cards are worth 3 times less 😂
He should send them back in with out the cover
Grading isnt all bias or subjective. There are multiple companies that use other ways of grading. Not every company is like psa, just glancing at a card and deciding a grade. TAG uses computers to find damage and tally it up. DSG uses humans to do the same thing.
As long as humans are involved, I can’t get behind it…