ONLY SHE CAN WIELD IT? - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Reaction - 7x19 - Empty Places

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    The newest video in my editor reacts to series. This week I'm watching and reacting to Buffy the Vampire Slayer for the first time.
    After their horrifying loss at the vineyard, the gang turn against Buffy and begin to follow Faith instead. Meanwhile, Spike and Andrew travel to an old church to question a priest about Caleb.
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    A young woman, destined to slay vampires, demons and other infernal creatures, deals with her life fighting evil, with the help of her friends.
    Buffy the Vampire Slayer is an American supernatural drama television series based on the 1992 film of the same name. It was created by Joss Whedon under his production tag, Mutant Enemy Productions, with later co-executive producers being Jane Espenson, David Fury, David Greenwalt, Doug Petrie, Marti Noxon, and David Solomon.
    The series narrative follows Buffy Summers (played by Sarah Michelle Gellar), the latest in a line of young women known as "Vampire Slayers", or simply "Slayers". In the story, Slayers, or the "Chosen Ones", are chosen by fate to battle against vampires, demons and other forces of darkness. Buffy wants to live a normal life, but as the series progresses, she learns to embrace her destiny. Like previous Slayers, Buffy is aided by a Watcher, who guides, teaches and trains her. Unlike her predecessors, Buffy surrounds herself with a circle of loyal friends who become known as the "Scooby Gang" - a reference to the animated franchise Scooby-Doo that features a group of friends solving mysteries together.
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  • @DivaQuinzel
    @DivaQuinzel Рік тому +157

    Giles to Buffy "Didn't you say that you can't trust us?"
    Giles 2 episodes ago **betrays Buffys trust by being part of a plot to kill Spike**
    ...Seriously?

    • @Sytrylt
      @Sytrylt Рік тому +25

      Exactly what I think everytime I hear that line. Like... Seriously Giles ???

    • @evatesche
      @evatesche Рік тому +38

      Exactly!! Together with his whole speech "You have to stop playing the role of a general and start acting like one" a few episodes ago and now himself acting like this should all be like a democratic debate in Town Hall.... Same with being amused about and okay with the fact that Faith was taking the Potentials to the Bronze while not long ago he was angry as hell about Buffy going on a date (even though it was also kind of a recon mission to find out more about the Principal). How many times does he contradict himself??
      Seriously, who wrote that sh*t?

    • @Sytrylt
      @Sytrylt Рік тому +24

      @@evatesche 🙏🙏 I so agree with you !! It prooves that no matter what Buffy does, they're never satisfied !! They always criticize her. So she is right, none of them is having her back despite Spike ! Because even when Spike was hurt when she went off on him about his soul and lack of fighting. He still followed her lead and went to catch the demon (getting his coat back in the process). Spike is the only one here, that had her back, trully.

    • @Henrik_Holst
      @Henrik_Holst Рік тому +8

      @@evatesche agreed on all points except the "who write that", people are this inconsistent in real life, even (or perhaps even especially) big brains like Giles.

    • @evatesche
      @evatesche Рік тому +3

      @@Henrik_Holst True.

  • @ZheToralf
    @ZheToralf Рік тому +151

    You know, Anya calling Buffy lucky for being the Slayer is kinda crazy when you see how hard her life has been so far.

    • @CoasterTrax
      @CoasterTrax Рік тому +30

      Anya lost my respect after this episode

    • @invadertifxiii
      @invadertifxiii Рік тому +8

      @@CoasterTrax same

    • @JacopoBasanisi
      @JacopoBasanisi Рік тому +3

      Anya has a 2000 years perspective. In a way, she's still kicking strictly because she's the slayer

    • @yesie8375
      @yesie8375 Рік тому +18

      Anya has never really been fond of any of them. She was there because of Xander. I’m not surprised she turned on Buffy fast

    • @fawng8017
      @fawng8017 Рік тому +13

      Makes sense to me but only coming from an ageless demon - Buffy's life has been ridiculously hard but for someone who grew up in the middle ages and has seen generations live and die, that probably wouldn't fly too far. Plus empathy really has never been Anya's strong suit - that's part of what makes her so funny.
      Meanwhile, if there's one thing demons respect it's power, and if there's one thing they fear it's the Slayer, so it makes sense a demon would think she's lucky for getting all that for free.

  • @DivaQuinzel
    @DivaQuinzel Рік тому +109

    While I understand where other people are coming from, I'm on Buffy's side.
    Everyone is constantly on her, saying that she has to lead and "be a general", in 7x14 Giles went off on how they have to take it all seriously but now that she's doing just that everyone is bitching at her.
    This is a circumstance where no matter what she did, Buffy would have been told she was doing things wrong.
    People force the leader role on her shoulders and then get pissy when she tries to lead.

    • @Henrik_Holst
      @Henrik_Holst Рік тому +21

      exactly this. And don't get me started on Anya:s idiotic speech, you didn't earn it (dying twice for the cause apparently doesn't count).

    • @Vladoominator
      @Vladoominator Рік тому +13

      ​@Henrik_Holst and Buffy is only back because Anya and everyone resurrected her, which caused this whole mess in the first place.

    • @Henrik_Holst
      @Henrik_Holst Рік тому +7

      @@Vladoominator that too!

    • @arielcarmona6660
      @arielcarmona6660 Рік тому +1

      I think it is realistic, illogical yes, but when the world might end, irrationality takes over

    • @Lady-Seashell-Bikini
      @Lady-Seashell-Bikini 5 місяців тому +2

      Except Dawn. No, it's not her house too. Buffy was the one keeping up with the mortgage.

  • @rowanmeredith
    @rowanmeredith Рік тому +101

    I'd love to see literally anyone else lead this fight without casualties. Everyone holds Buffy to such a higher standard than everyone else- she does one thing they don't like and they all turn against her after years of her saving the world. Screw all of them except Spike honestly

    • @Henrik_Holst
      @Henrik_Holst Рік тому +10

      The casualties where the fault of the potentials, when they saw how easily Caleb handled both Buffy and Spike they should have retreated immediately instead of foolishly trying to attack Caleb themselves.

    • @xenbuff
      @xenbuff Рік тому +2

      And Xander. He was just traumatized and as the regular guy, more vulnerable and extremely scared. Probably sore as well.

  • @bugsby4663
    @bugsby4663 Рік тому +36

    Buffy has died twice, killer her lover and everything else she has done. She has worked overtime in her role. I can understand the potentials rebelling because they don't know Buffy but for the scoobies to stab her in the back like that. She died for Dawn and Dawn repays her like this. I was so angry at the gang for treating Buffy so shittily. They should have had a word with her in private.

  • @Lilcutiepie99
    @Lilcutiepie99 Рік тому +48

    “Don’t be afraid to lead them.” My heart always breaks for Buffy on that line.

  • @llawliet7070
    @llawliet7070 Рік тому +76

    All of the potentials went there to be protected by her, she didn't ask for the responsibility of protecting the rest of the slayer line. They seem to have forgotten why they went there in the first place and don't seem at all grateful to be there mooching off her. Kicking her out of her own house was ridiculous, yes she definitely could have phrased it better but it has been her having to call the shots for years and years. Of course the Scoobies helped and they worked together but it is 99% of the time up to her to do what it takes to win. Giles told her to lead (be the general) and then after one bad outcome he acts like she should just sit down and listen. Xander gave that whole speech about how much she cares about them and will do everything to protect them and then it gets thrown out the window in the next episode.

    • @ChevaliersEmeraude
      @ChevaliersEmeraude Рік тому +7

      Here's the thing; it's not so much her ability to care that is put into question here but her leadership, her decision-making. And it's not just one mistake; with all due respect she's been screwing up a lot this season, starting with small things like thinking Willow was the one responsible for the flailing, or thinking she had to kill Anya, up to big thing like falling into the Caleb trap (despite everyone telling her it was an obvious trap may I add). And whenever things went wrong it was always the same thing: I'm the Slayer so what I say goes. Of course people are gonna be sick of it, especially the people who didn't knew her prior to this season.
      Not only that, that is supposed to be her story arc. They mention many time this season that Buffy developed a superiority complex over being the Slayer. Most notable example being in "Conversations iwith Dead People", where Buffy herself admits it to the vampire dude. That's a common storytelling point: Focus on a character flaw for your main character and create a story arc that push them to overcome said flaw. Having everyone, old friends and new, turning against her, that's just the culmination of that character arc for her. That's what has to happen to overcome the superiority complex they keep bringing up about her.

    • @CoasterTrax
      @CoasterTrax Рік тому +7

      ​@@ChevaliersEmeraudei get ya point, still, i think it was lazy and Bad writing. Particular in this season. Joss is missing a lot and idk if this whole story was made to his satisfaction. But even if, still bad writing. S7 should focus more on the scoobies and the aftermatch of season 6, rathern than focusing on the potentials and throwing in so much story arcs that feels forced. They honestly did buffy dirty. Glad they could save the character at the end

    • @Vladoominator
      @Vladoominator Рік тому +22

      ​@ChevaliersEmeraude how is thinking willow might have killed the guys a fail? What? Even willow said she was right to think that. Anya was killing people. Of course she had to act. You're reaching hard. She was right about everything in the end.
      She is better than them. They know that and couldn't handle her being dead so they brought her back. Buffy shouldn't have even been here. This whole mess is their fault.

    • @gjjijji
      @gjjijji Рік тому +10

      @@ChevaliersEmeraudewhat are you talking about? She was very right to consider willow responsible and having to kill Anya? The only choices she made other then the Caleb one is the Spike situation. No considering kill him, removing his chip and letting him stay in the house with the girls and Xander

    • @invadertifxiii
      @invadertifxiii Рік тому +1

      exactly well said , right on point

  • @aperson4640
    @aperson4640 Рік тому +64

    You'r probably the most observant Buffy reactor. I mean... spontaneously recalling specific details from early seasons. It's impressive. ❤

    • @ShieldVids
      @ShieldVids 8 місяців тому

      She has seen it before.

    • @HuntingViolets
      @HuntingViolets Місяць тому

      @@ShieldVids Why is she unsure about what happens next then?

  • @soullesschicken4069
    @soullesschicken4069 Рік тому +31

    how is buffy lucky at all? she never asked to be the slayer and she always wanted to be a normal girl, not the chosen one with this huge burden of responsibility on her, putting herself and her closed ones in danger, risking her life, making tough choices. that's not lucky

  • @thedevon_t
    @thedevon_t Рік тому +35

    Caleb: "And you're going to see the glory"
    Lexi: "Glory's dead already"
    LOL!!! That line was hilarious. I just found your channel and I absolutely love it.

  • @Crabash
    @Crabash Рік тому +44

    Something that annoys me about people's take on this episode is that it is obvious to me people had axes to grind, Wood clearly does, he agrees with buffy after his attempt to kill spike behind her back with Giles help, then immediately stand her in the back, Anya is pissed because buffy put her in her place previously. Rona has been an entitled whinger, from the start, Kennedy doesn't like being told what to do.
    Buffy is concerned with winning a war, she has to do things and suffer the consequences if she is wrong, as she said at the end, their lives are yours. Meanwhile everyone else gets to blame her.
    If I was her I would have just said theres the door if you don't want me around.

    • @RRADOMAL
      @RRADOMAL Рік тому +7

      In HER OWN HOUSE!

    • @rosita3528
      @rosita3528 Рік тому +8

      Well said. And one thing that annoys me about Anya saying Buffy is luckier, Anya forgets that she was given powers twice from Dhoffryn. I hated Rona and i didn't like Kennedy much either. Rona did nothing but bitch since she got to Sunnydale and Kennedy was a spoilt little brat and even gloated about it. And as both of you said, they stayed in Buffys house free of charge. Dawn even pissed me off telling Buffy to leave when she was only alive because Buffy sacrafised herself for her

  • @LordNifty
    @LordNifty Рік тому +38

    This episode seems to be a competition for who can make the stupidest decisions and how arrogantly they can defend them. It is interesting that Faith seems to be the only one with self-control and perspective.

  • @theadamabrams
    @theadamabrams Рік тому +42

    I can understand the Potentials deciding that Faith should lead them, but the whole group kicking Buffy out of her own house (and it is her house much much more than it is Dawn's) is so absurd and infuriating. 🤬 I truly cannot see any justification for it.
    It's an unfortunate sour spot in what is otherwise a great set of final episodes for this show.

    • @peterd9698
      @peterd9698 Рік тому +2

      I always find it fun to think what minimal change I would make.
      I think it would have been enough for just the potentials to revolt. Faced with the ultimatum of them or her leaving, Buffy would make the choice that kept them in the house and with people with actual experience.. or, her team mates could have worked on that logic.
      I could imagine Xander taking this moment to stand by her no matter what, but Buffy seeing he was just too weak and pushing him away. Yes Xander has turned on her at least twice, but I think this growth would have fitted his character.

    • @roll14tideroll
      @roll14tideroll 5 місяців тому +1

      Oh yeah because mutinies never ever happened in real life

  • @KT-iy9vc
    @KT-iy9vc Рік тому +7

    Nathan Fillion as Caleb is so great. The fact that he can take us from "That's Mal! I love him" to "oh you f-ing evil..." with so little screen time. Great job.

  • @stephaniebarker472
    @stephaniebarker472 Рік тому +32

    Lexi, your opening gag clips never fail to make me lol. Thank you for that moment of cheer before getting into this deeply upsetting episode❤

  • @MicukoFelton
    @MicukoFelton Рік тому +13

    Giles telling her she needs to be a general and make hard decisions, but when she does that it's wrong? jeez, make up your mind!
    Them kicking Buffy out of her own house is just the worst thing they could have done. Anya was SO out of line.

  • @discardmyfriends
    @discardmyfriends Рік тому +21

    The band that plays The Bronze here (the final band to ever play at The Bronze) is Nerf Herder, who created the Buffy theme song. They were originally recommended to Joss by Alyson Hannigan

    • @Swenglish
      @Swenglish 7 днів тому

      And one of the songs they play is "Mr. Spock", which is of course about a vulcanologist.

  • @Sytrylt
    @Sytrylt Рік тому +21

    I can't understand people comparing Buffy taking the most trained potentials to a fight in the war against evil, and Faith taking them drinking (with a lot underage might I add). Yeah, there was nobody hurt, BUT that could have happen. And it was nothing like going into a fight.
    Also, Giles went off on everyone a few episodes ago because they were having dates ! And here, he lets Faith taking the girls dancing and drinking ???
    Faith is right on some level, the girls need to blow off some steam. But not like that, in my opinion. Hence Buffy's reaction. So I agree with both of them. But I don't agree with people comparing it to Buffy taking them in the vinyard ! That's nothing like it. We can't compare a war/fight and a night out getting drunk, together !!
    About the end of the episode. I will never understand people liking it. I can understand that the characters are influenced by what is happening. But I can't understand people enjoying that scene. For me, it was and always has been one that infuriates me ! Buffy's been tough for a little while ? SHE ISN'T spleeping to cover all their arses ! She's doing exactly what she told them she would ! She told them they were becoming an army. So yeah, a general is not there to cuddle you ! He's there to lead. Wich she's doing ! Her thinking about the vinyard is sound ! AND her instincts are almost always right. So, no. I can't understand people enjoying that scene. Because this is the one that pains me the most in the show. How quick they betrayed her, prooves she was right ! They are not having her back ! Having someone's back doesn't mean you do it only if you agree with them ! It means you have their back and trust their leadership, even if you don't agree on some points. Buffy's right in my opinion. And they are ungratefull jerks XD.

    • @evatesche
      @evatesche Рік тому +2

      🙏👏👏👏👏

    • @kinkin3981
      @kinkin3981 4 місяці тому

      all of this!!! just gets me how for years and years they have spent telling her she's the slayer, she makes the decisions, its up to her and then they pull this on her. it makes me so angry this scene is one of the most painful parts of the entire show for me, she wasnt even supposed to be alive at this point either but their selfishness brought her back which lead to this whole end of the world scenario in the first damn place 😭

    • @GabrielGoopar
      @GabrielGoopar 2 місяці тому

      This sounds insane, youd rather get them killed than dancing, you try to force the ¨drinking¨ when she took it away from a girl and the Broze was always a club that allowed teens in, more like a place to promote bands and dance, if you are against that you had lots of seasons to critizice it, yet you ignored it 100 episodes, okurrr.

  • @AnatoleVGC
    @AnatoleVGC Рік тому +19

    Btw, the onion flower thing is a recurring Spike joke, he even talks about that to the troll in season five

  • @markmcminn7572
    @markmcminn7572 Рік тому +33

    Giles really got on my nerves this season! Sorry as I know how much you like him and I like Giles but he really annoyed me this season 😂 he contradicts himself a lot and undermines Buffy at every turn. And for everyone to kick her out her own home! When all the potentials started on her I was just like ‘Sorry? Who are you!?’ That last scene got me so angry. They absolutely treated Buffy like shit. Not saying Buffy didn’t make some mistakes but that happens at times. They flat out stabbed her in the back.

  • @robertoglencoco7861
    @robertoglencoco7861 11 місяців тому +7

    Buffy clearly told xander and Willow in season 1 that this is her fight and she didnt want them getting hurt. They didn't heed her warning.

  • @CvSp22
    @CvSp22 Рік тому +17

    One episode earlier, Xander makes that great speech and now he negate almost everything from this - screw him!
    Buffy lucky being a Slayer? When she wasn't part of the Slayer line, than she would be lucky - screw Anya!
    Potentials, Wood, Willow, Giles, Dawn - screw them for their behavior!
    Faith is the only one i didn't blame for this, cause she tried to de-escalate the sitch and what she said was true.
    This is one of the lowest build episodes of the show, cause it is so against the cohesivity of all we have seen before.

    • @sirmoonslosthismind
      @sirmoonslosthismind Рік тому +1

      kennedy is actually pretty reasonable here, as much as people like to scapegoat her for the atrocious behavior of our main characters. ken's behavior is understandable given her situation, experience, and perspective. the scene would have played so differently if kennedy was the most "out there" while the people who know buffy best came to buffy's defense. the way that it actually plays is both incredibly contrived, with spike being conveniently gone despite the fact that faith would have made more sense, and simultaneously pushes several characters out of character. it's pretty bad.

    • @sirmoonslosthismind
      @sirmoonslosthismind Рік тому +3

      @@Quey-rc1ym
      she was right about what needed to be done. she was willing to talk tactics, which is what would have happened in previous seasons. but the entire group just turning into petulant children was quite the low point.

  • @evatesche
    @evatesche Рік тому +22

    Oh here we are again. Empty places. Now I have to get all upset again. That ending.... 🤬

  • @JacopoBasanisi
    @JacopoBasanisi Рік тому +12

    12:50 yeah, the thing is they allowed themselves to get some fun because they trusted someone with everything else

    • @DivaQuinzel
      @DivaQuinzel Рік тому +9

      So much this!
      Buffy was forced to take on the role of general/leader, with everything going on did they really expect her to have the time to sit down, get personal with the potentials and have fun?

  • @kendavis8046
    @kendavis8046 Рік тому +56

    I hate every episode that has Giles turning against Buffy.

    • @MrSupertallblackman
      @MrSupertallblackman Рік тому +1

      Why?

    • @RRADOMAL
      @RRADOMAL Рік тому +1

      @@MrSupertallblackmanshe wasn’t even wrong tho.

    • @Zso-VIII
      @Zso-VIII Рік тому +10

      I feel like Giles was getting some character assassination this season, he made many bad calls. Like a writer was annoyed.

    • @Uhohlisa
      @Uhohlisa 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Zso-VIIIyeah seriously. He’s not even acting like himself

    • @coldservings
      @coldservings 9 місяців тому +1

      This is not the man who was fired from the Watchers' Council because he had a father's love for Buffy.

  • @killianlpc
    @killianlpc Рік тому +19

    The last few episodes of the S7 had so much going on it was hard to keep up. The way they all turned against Buffy after all she had done for them over the years was so painful to watch at the time. Kennedy and Rhona were utterly despicable, along with the rest of the Scooby Gang. All this leads up to the brilliance of the last few episodes, super writing again, but Andrew is still utterly irritating if entertaining also. BTW Tom Lenk who plays Andrew was one of Harmony's Minion Vampires is S5 E2 called Real Me. Spike reading the scripture, brilliant foreshadowing here. Buffy is of course right they always try to protect the power, they must return to the vineyard, there is a reason for Caleb wanting to defend it. This episode is all about the meeting in Buffy's house this is so difficult to watch with Dawn striking the final blow, after Buffy laid down her very life to save her. We know there is only one who will stand by Buffy, even though he is not at the meeting he has read the scripture 'it is not for thee, it is for her alone to wield'.

  • @hardybryan
    @hardybryan Рік тому +20

    I am on Buffy's side because EVERYONE else is acting purely in response to their fear. That said, Buffy has not been a great leader this season and their response shouldn't be that surprising. They warned her it was a trap and she blew them all off.
    Also, there is no level of fear that would have me choosing to hitch my wagon to Faith over Buffy. Love Faith, but she is, in fact, an idiot.
    Finally, imagine these cowards trying this shit if Spike were there to back her up

    • @Henrik_Holst
      @Henrik_Holst Рік тому +5

      The major problem is that no one wanted to take responsibility so Buffy had to take on the leader role even though that is not one of her strengths, and now they all are complaining that she did what no one else wanted to do.

  • @alexie5201
    @alexie5201 Рік тому +14

    I am and always will be on Buffy's side here. This ain't vacation, it's apocalypse. Fall in line and do your best, or get out. When Buffy said nobody has her back except for Spike, she wasn't joking. She could feel the ungratefulness all along.

    • @Sytrylt
      @Sytrylt Рік тому +4

      that !! I so agree with you !
      Now that I'm older, everytime I watch this season, I cry a lot more. Pratically every episode. Because I see how Buffy seems alone, and tired and such... It breaks my heart that her friends don't see how alone she feels. And WHY !!
      No matter what she does, they are always criticizing her. Think about it... Giles went off on them so they would take things seriously. Giles told Buffy to be a general. She's been taking things seriously, being a general. And they don't want to follow orders and get bitchy because "she's being mean". Get over yourselves !! She saved your buts so many times that I can't even count. Trust her would you !!!! Even if you don't agree, trust that she has the best instincts of all of you. That's literraly in her, her mission !

    • @evatesche
      @evatesche Рік тому

      EXACTLY! Thank you! If it wasn't for Buffy, all of the Potentials would have been killed by know either by the Bringers or the Ubervamps. But everybody is very keen on forgetting about that. Even the Scoobies.

    • @alexie5201
      @alexie5201 Рік тому +2

      @@Sytrylt I like to rewatch the first season from time to time, where Buffy actually feels like a teenager and not a girl in her twenties who's been through hell. As a slayer, she always has to make tough decisions. And there always will be people who disagree with those decisions. She's not perfect, but she can't be personally responsible for everyone's injury or death in the middle of a war (and war is, basically, the slayer's whole life).

    • @Sytrylt
      @Sytrylt Рік тому +2

      @@alexie5201 So true !!! And I've rewatched the show so many times too... In english and french. It may be 50 times now XD maybe more... I stopped couting a long time ago XDD

  • @jeanetteking434
    @jeanetteking434 Рік тому +4

    Ok Dawn time to become a ball of energy again.

  • @tiamod
    @tiamod Рік тому +6

    I’ll never understand why Willow couldn’t just regenerate Xander a new eye.

    • @x-man9473
      @x-man9473 Рік тому

      plot convenience only works for what writers want.

    • @jonaskoelker
      @jonaskoelker 7 місяців тому

      Although Willow has magical powers, the writers have even stronger powers.

  • @Buffy8Fan
    @Buffy8Fan Рік тому +16

    Originally this episode was going to have Tara return to life and the whole episode was going to be about Buffy's decision as a representative for the PTB (Whistler's job essentially) offers her a reward of anything she wants for all the good work she's done. She would toy with the group (especially Willow) by saying she wanted shoes, only to at the end of the episode have Tara walk in. The actress who played Tara was no longer avaliable so... we get an episode that did nothing until the end scene. The sad part is this is nothing new for the Scoobies. Turning against Buffy when things aren't going their way is what Xander does in every time he has words with someone he disagrees with: _Passion, Becoming Part 1_ and _Becoming Part 2_ specifically. What they all do in _Dead Man's Party_ and _Revelations,_ as well as _The Yoko Factor._ And now just after Xander told the group how great Buffy was he eats his words when things go wrong.
    Any in-fighting the group does is supporting The First because in-fighting is The First's biggest tool against the group. Whether it was telling Wood, as his mother, who murdered his mother or whether it was The First telling Dawn, as Joyce, Buffy won't choose her, which I think caused Dawn to say in this episode, "Then you can't stay here." Dawn's not choosing Buffy before Buffy doesn't choose her, thus playing even further into The First's hands. This moment goes against what many people defending the group say, which is the fact that if everyone wanted a new leader, due to Xander losing an eye, kicking Buffy out wasn't the right option. Buffy told the group she couldn't save everyone in war and has been warning Xander how dangerous slaying is since the second episode of the series. I disagree with said new leadership, as does Faith, but the group is so against Buffy, they don't listen to Faith. Kicking Buffy out creates in-fighting The Fist clearly wants, and Buffy's house (as of the beginning of this episode) is the only place in Sunnydale vampires don't have entrance to, so kicking her out (whether they assume she can handle herself or not) is a mistake.
    Xander not only retcons everything good he says about Buffy during his earlier episode speech by kicking her out, but in the two hour pilot when Buffy says, "Xander, this is deeply dangerous." The fact that in S1 he dismisses this and thinks Buffy's thinking him, "less than a man," compared to what he's saying now shows a long term-ness of never really taking Buffy seriously in moments where she says these types of things. I criticize him (and everyone else) for not listening to all her (including the S7) speeches or any other moments like those. The writers stated in BTS footage that Xander losing an eye is the reason behind the kicking Buffy out moment. There's a little more to it, but it would be spoiler-y past this episode.
    The other argument I’ve seen fans against Buffy say is to argue the fact that Buffy leaves willingly. The defense I have there is that it is the same idea behind a person resigning and a person getting fired. Resigning, in this case is getting fired without the higher ups saying so. The argument of Buffy leaving on her own is Buffy resigning herself to the fact that she isn't The General anymore and doesn't want to in-fight, as The First wants. Its just another form of getting kicked out because The Scoobies don't trust her leadership.
    My former list involved fifteen things against the group saying the things they said during their telling off of Buffy. I still agree with the things I said, but the list is mostly just what a lot of comments end up being. It may prove a small point, but there are easier ways to prove the overall points than bringing up the in-fighting points.
    Anya was one of four people who resurrected Buffy (the others being Willow, Tara and Xander) and therefore allowed The First to create the S7 plot of killing the slayer line. She, Giles and possibly Willow knows this, so them blaming Buffy for anything happening, when the entirety of why is on their shoulders, is dumb.
    It is also a joke to have Anya say Buffy didn't earn the role of slayer or general, considering everything Buffy has done for them. The list on that, could go on for 104 hours and 34 minutes (the rest of the series makes for a total of 106 hours and 42 minutes). And on top of that, Anya didn't earn her power either. She was given it so she could murder, torture, etc., which she did through the power of the wish.
    Why did Giles call Buffy the general of the group if he was just going to undermine her at every decision he didn't like and toss her out when things went wrong? Buffy warned them all things like this would happen. Why weren't they listening?
    Post S6 Willow has a lot of nerve calling Buffy on a lack of judgement.
    Didn't the Scoobies (including Dawn) learn how stupid it was when Joyce kicked Buffy out in S2? It's a good thing Buffy has grown emotionally since then. Too bad the group doesn't trust Buffy any more since then.
    Buffy brought up certain points to Xander during their _Selfless_ fight, so the fact that the group in this episode is throwing those moments in Buffy's face (those moments specifically being: cutting herself off, someone needing to draw a line, having no guide book to the job of a slayer [and there is a slayer guidebook/handbook, Giles just never gives it to her, so that one is on him], and fighting alone) shows, once again, The Scoobies haven't been listening to Buffy even before the war with The First started about even the moments not involving The First and its war.
    Buffy learned from Giles "this isn't a joke" chastisement in _First Date,_ while none of the other Scoobies did, if they were recently going to The Bronze for fun. Giles himself seemed to revert if he is urging the fun after the _First Date_ chastisement, or at least he has an agenda of his own that goes against what he said when he called Buffy the general upon first showing up in Sunnydale, so the group go against everything Buffy learned in _First Date, I Never Kill a Boy on the First Date_ and _Reptile Boy_ when they kick Buffy out.
    Buffy may or may not have a good idea in going back to the vineyard. Risky either way. Just like war always is. That is not the problem. The real problem is Xander's eye is a moment when the group finally realize Buffy has been right about the danger and are taking it out on her because she is the General. The problem is by doing so they are doing exactly what The First wants.

    • @paulinerobertson6836
      @paulinerobertson6836 Рік тому +4

      Agree,Agree,Agree Agree 👍

    • @AcmeWingbaby
      @AcmeWingbaby Рік тому +4

      What’s funny is that the plan she comes up with is basically “I’m right, everyone else is wrong and useless, I’ll do it myself.“ And… Uhh, the plan works… So…

    • @evatesche
      @evatesche Рік тому +8

      @@AcmeWingbaby One more indicator that her friends are not actually "having her back" but are rather getting in her way. She was more powerful going in alone.

    • @alexh8613
      @alexh8613 Рік тому +3

      "Originally this episode was going to have Tara return to life and the whole episode was going to be about Buffy's decision as a representative for the PTB (Whistler's job essentially) offers her a reward of anything she wants for all the good work she's done."
      Where did you get that from? The only time I have ever heard about Tara returning, was in Conversations with Dead People. But Amber Benson didn't want to portray a fake and evil version of Tara, so she turned it down.

    • @Buffy8Fan
      @Buffy8Fan Рік тому +1

      @@alexh8613 Joss said it at an SDCC comic con. The one where Tara returns as The First during _Conversation with Dead People_ I've never heard from anyone except fans online. I'm not saying it couldn't be possible, but Joss actually stated Tara actually coming back to life as what he wanted (but couldn't make happen) on video at comic con. Don't have a clue which youtube video it was. So, sorry on not being able to point you towards it.

  • @yesie8375
    @yesie8375 Рік тому +10

    Everyone makes mistakes and has bad judgement. Buffy is the slayer but she’s still human and can make mistakes. The fact that all those freeloading friends of her and her ungrateful ass sister had the nerve to turn on her and kick her out her own home that no one helps her pay is crazy. I can’t stand Rona she’s useless and I absolutely hate Kennedy she’s a jealous little Buffy hater who thinks she’s so tough. I don’t see what Willow saw in her after going out with Tara who was amazing and Oz who is in his time was great. And btw Buffy didn’t get lucky with that power she was given. She was cursed with all of that responsibility and I don’t think it was fun to watch them talk down on her like she didn’t save them all a million times. I was her I would send them all to hell indefinitely. Faith is cool but let’s not forget all that messed up things she did and the fact that she practically raped Riley

    • @Girl4Music
      @Girl4Music Рік тому +1

      A lot of people think that Kennedy is so jealous of Buffy that she’s social climbing her way into Willow’s pants to get as close as possible to her to overthrow her. Not that she could. But I can definitely see the logic in that perspective. To get to the Slayer, you have to get in bed with a core Scooby and attempt to turn them against her which is what I think she’s doing here in berating Willow for always taking her side. Her plan’s not working and she’s stroppy about it. She figures Willow should take her side as she’s her girlfriend. Similar to how Willow and Anya expect their respective lovers to take their side in ‘Triangle’ but neither did.

    • @morgangoodwin5488
      @morgangoodwin5488 10 місяців тому +2

      Love this comment! Emphasis on the freeloading because why were Willow (and Tara) living in that house rent free, like they wouldn't have to pay room and board to live on campus. I felt like Buffy was the only one in the house worried about paying bills. Kicking her out of her own house was so disrespectful. I have never forgiven the scoobies for this episode. The whiplash I got watching this betrayal still hurts my neck. The words exchanged here were fighting words in my opinion. They should be happy I am not the Slayer because they would have found out real quick what its like to live on the hell-mouth and not have the slayer watching their backs.

  • @Girl4Music
    @Girl4Music Рік тому +9

    This is the one character flaw in the whole show that’s so deeply and brilliantly embedded in the entirety of the character’s arc because it isn’t just a flaw.
    It’s a truth. And Buffy grapples with her sense of superiority in such a gratuitous way which makes it seem like it’s not even a flaw at all. Even though it is. It’s just not made a big deal of the way it would be with other characters. Again, partially because it’s true. She is a superior being. And she can’t run away from that truth. She can’t bury it beneath her. And in ‘Conversations With Dead People’ it’s brought up by her mortal enemy having just come out of the ground, ... so the audience is meant to think “well, hey, of course a vampire would say this. He hates her. It’s in his nature to think this way about her.”
    But when she harkens back to the same sentiment after a deep dive analysis into her own thoughts and emotions ... the audience sit with it with her. When she finally admits to herself this, she and the audience come to a truth so controversial but also unescapable throughout the whole show.
    The Slayer is a deity. And that’s why The Woman can’t quite connect.
    That’s why no one else besides Faith can truly understand.
    And Faith had already accepted her status long ago.
    It’s a hard truth. But it is the truth.
    And for me, that’s why ‘Empty Places’... and to some degree even ‘Dead Man’s Party’ is just so wrong. We know that her friends and even her family don’t understand. But we don’t need to see Buffy being ganged up on and abandoned for something she has no control over ... already feels guilty about ... and is punishing herself for almost every chance she gets anyway.
    And people have tried to excuse these episodes by saying: “It wasn’t about her being ‘The Slayer’ why she was treated the way she was with her friends/family.”
    But it’s not an argument that flies with me because they’re wrong.
    Because actually,... it’s ALWAYS about her being ‘The Slayer’.
    It’s just about being ‘The Slayer’ and ‘The Woman’ at the same time and how the bloody hell does any “normal human teenage girl” deal with that?
    I say that Buffy’s behaviour is justified because it’s the only god damn way to DEAL with something that complicated. What is she supposed to do otherwise?
    NOT struggle? NOT go AWOL? NOT go catatonic? NOT be human? NOT be a deity?
    Only Faith truly gets it. The dichotomy between. The only difference is Faith abuses it as a power and a privilege. And Buffy doesn’t. For Buffy it’s a burden. Because Buffy is a good person. Humble. And the whole show for her is about her finding the balance between her humanity and her deity. And if you ask me,... she does a damn good job of it. Because she tries in the first place. She doesn’t do what Faith does and throws caution to the wind - even though it would be so much easier on her to do so. She actually DEALS in the only way she knows how: Shutting down. Restarting. Relearning.
    And in that sense - it is only a flaw because she lets it be a flaw.
    No offence to my girl, Faith. She’s only being true to her nature.

    • @evatesche
      @evatesche Рік тому +1

      🙏👏👏👏

    • @Girl4Music
      @Girl4Music Рік тому +7

      @@evatesche it’s also really interesting to me that the only “people” Buffy can actually communicate to and connect with on any of this are either dead or evil or both.
      Spike. Holden. Angel.
      Fuck… May as well throw Faith in there even though she isn’t evil or dead but is JUST LIKE HER in the sense that she is now the Chosen One.
      Who else can Buffy be vulnerable with when it comes to her being The Slayer, truly? No one. Willow doesn’t understand. Willow never did. Xander may have had a great “she’s earned it” speech an episode before this one but immediately revokes it when he is suddenly blinded by the danger. …
      And Giles… Giles may as well have came back as The First for all the good he is to Buffy in this final season. He has the worst arc of all in Season 7. So out. of. damn. character!
      and Dawn? Well… Dawn is just too young. She doesn’t understand because she can’t.
      Buffy has only one “person” there for her this season and it happens to be who was once her mortal enemy but now her greatest ally and confidant. Someone who earned her trust back after previously betraying it. And had proved himself to be the kind of man Buffy needs even though she needs no man.
      No, not because he has a soul now.
      Because he always sees through her to the absolute superior force that she actually is and he is telling her that she shouldn’t be ashamed of it. It’s what makes her a hero.

    • @Sytrylt
      @Sytrylt Рік тому +3

      @@Girl4Music I agree with alsmot everything, but I don't agree with Dawn being to young to understand. I was literraly her age when I first saw that scene, and i was capable of understanding and seeing how wrong they were. In my opinion, the problem with Dawn is not her being young, it's her not trusting Buffy because of what "Joyce" as the first told her in the begining of this season. She thinks she can't trust Buffy, while she is the one not being trustworthy... OHH IRONYYYY XD

    • @Girl4Music
      @Girl4Music Рік тому +2

      @@Sytrylt oh I see. Guess I never paid much attention to that. You’re probably right.
      Honestly, I have to rack my brain to find any justification for the drama in this scene. Most of it just feels as if it comes out of nowhere. Just drama for the sake of drama.

    • @Sytrylt
      @Sytrylt Рік тому +3

      @@Girl4Music It's hard to deal with all that drama, I get it ^^
      That scene... it infuriates me everytime. Because of how unfair it is. How ungratefull they all are.

  • @zeynepakcay1724
    @zeynepakcay1724 Рік тому +5

    ohh the rage i felt this epidode

  • @manbearpig7359
    @manbearpig7359 Рік тому +8

    Andrew and Spike.. The team yiu didn't know yiu needed until you did

    • @Girl4Music
      @Girl4Music Рік тому +1

      The only good scene for me in the whole episode

  • @donsample1002
    @donsample1002 Рік тому +1

    “What kind of band plays during an apocalypse?”
    The band was Nerf Herder, who have been providing the Buffy credits music from the beginning.

  • @meggo329
    @meggo329 Рік тому +8

    Robin and his mommy issues how fast he turns on buffy in favour of faith. He was the one who said "well maybe you should test them". Kennedy sucks i told you.

  • @linc836
    @linc836 Рік тому +3

    5:37 Lexi, it’s been 21 years and I’m still not ready to joke about this. 😭
    Also, thank you for lifting us all up with the Jenna Marbles opening edit. 😂

  • @ammunproxy2328
    @ammunproxy2328 Рік тому +5

    Oh i hate this
    Giles talking about trust yeah right
    everything coming out of the potentials mouth infuriating, be silent thankful and learn
    Anya : YoU Didn't EarN iT mee you didnt work for it, What the &%$( does she think Buffy did the last 7 Years dying twice in the process
    and from someone who reaked chaos for a thousand years, she earned evrerything, she is the SLAYER
    and Faith just broke out of PRISON.
    This scene makes not a lick of sense. Someone just wrote confict for the heck of it in.
    Always hated this argh... Rant over lol

  • @DavidWright1138
    @DavidWright1138 Рік тому +3

    "You didn't earn it," pisses me off so much, every time I hear it. Buffy literally gave her life to save the world. TWICE.
    The Slayerettes, and even Faith, even Giles and the Scoobies are acting like it's an army thing; but Buffy is the Chosen One.
    ONE. THE Slayer (yes, I know).
    Faith was a mistake. She feels like she should be the One, but she wasn't. I guess that's why she has so much trouble toeing the line.
    And the Slayerettes are CHILDREN. Casting makes it hard to see; but they have no say.
    Buffy has stood against Vampires, and Demons, Governments, and Gods and she's still standing (standing again). Buffy makes the plan, executes the plan - the one thing even Riley understood. Eff these girls.

  • @Sifer94
    @Sifer94 Рік тому +13

    They have alot of nerve kicking out buffy considering this whole problem the uber vamps caleb and the first are all their fault

    • @Nicamon
      @Nicamon Рік тому

      HOW is this their fault???🤨

    • @invadertifxiii
      @invadertifxiii Рік тому +4

      @@Nicamon they brought buffy back from the dead, it was stated several episodes earlier that was the opportunity the first had got to rise up

    • @Nicamon
      @Nicamon Рік тому

      @@invadertifxiii I thought by"they"you meant"the Potentials"or"the Scoobies _and_ the Potentials"but,anyway...they literally _couldn't know it_ I still fail to see how can you BLAME them for something they had no idea that it could happen!😵ALSO...even if you blame them for the current situation,Buffy IS STILL WRONG behaving like that and I think they were right to kick her out,since it was impossible to reason with her...they tried,she didn't listen,what else were they supposed to do?!?🤷‍♂

    • @Sytrylt
      @Sytrylt Рік тому +3

      True !! And even if they wanted a new leadership... (I don't agree but...) they could leave ! They should !!! It's Buffy's house. Dawn's little speach is just that, a speach. She doesn't pay the bills. Only Buffy does. They are all living there for free, on Buffy's back and they have the nerve to kick her out of her own house...

    • @Nicamon
      @Nicamon Рік тому

      @@Sytrylt They ALL could leave???Seriously?Buffy is *the only person* disagreeing with a bunch of people and you expect the BIG GROUP to go unprotected out of the house and that Buffy stays in the house alone???WHY???How does that make any sense???🤨Also...the world is ending...there are no bills to pay anymore,that's the most stupid argument ever!!

  • @Marwolaeth01
    @Marwolaeth01 Рік тому +5

    Never liked the ending of this one, it always felt a bit unjustified. Like they want to create this big conflict that sends her packing, but it comes a bit out of left field (sorry Xander) to me. A few of the newbies and even Giles and Xander I can kind of understand, but Anya has no right to be that angry with Buffy, nor Willow if i'm honest, and especially not Dawn. They were not there at the vineyard so their experiences of what is going on should not be so in step with everyone else in the room... maybe if they'd shown mutterings of concern earlier? Everyone suddenly deciding Buffy needs to leave the house, just when the biggest, baddest reason to all stay together has just turned up in Sunnydale? Yeah I've never bought it.
    That said, it does lead to one of my favourite moments in Buffy next episode, so I always look forward to it anyway 😂

  • @kalandkarazor-el3088
    @kalandkarazor-el3088 Рік тому +1

    Andrew is a legend, everything he does is hilarious! The whole "hot pocket" thing is gold
    These last handful of episodes are the ones I've seen the least but somehow I remember every detail. Can't believe we're already here

  • @tamarafuentes3701
    @tamarafuentes3701 Рік тому +3

    I really hate everyone in this episode, (as another reactor said, they're supposed to be in a war, and Faith instead of training them, takes them to parties to get drunk?, yeah, great. Giles tells him that she said that she couldn't trust them, after he betrayed her trust, whatever.), Anya, please shut up, you talk like being a slayer is a gift, I understand Xander, but except for him, Spike, Andrew and obviously Buffy, I hate everyone, I hate you Dawn, how dare you kick her out of her own house, a house that she has kept since she was revived (true!!, she died for you!!, TWICE DAMN TIMES!!) because They couldn't even do that, if they wanted so much then they would just leave and that's it, I really wish Buffy would go away and leave them all to their fate to see what they do.

  • @airawynsummers
    @airawynsummers Рік тому +2

    I really like that they had everyone challenge Buffy's leadership, and I like that they asked Faith to be in charge. It's such a great part of Faith's journey. I just hate that they had everyone passing around the idiot ball in order for that to happen.

  • @JonathanForres-de1jo
    @JonathanForres-de1jo 8 місяців тому

    Caleb is the most unsettling scary and lethal evil Big Bad of the entire Wedonverse and Nathan Fillion is incredible in the role. Joss wanted to show not just the show growing up but how dark it could get before it ended!! ❤ To you Lexi! Jon from Aus

  • @travisbell736
    @travisbell736 Рік тому +2

    So Hot Pockets are a type of frozen food with sauce and a meat wrapped in a breading. It’s like a portable meat pie lol

  • @emilysimon6239
    @emilysimon6239 Рік тому +3

    17:01 This is where I lose my absolute shit in this episode (and when Giles makes his stupid comment about trust-he really rushes so fast toward the point that the barrels right past it). I agree with everyone up until this point. Here, however, is the shift from criticism toward her decisions as a leader/general to an attack on her character. It’s out of line, it’s vile, and it’s painful to watch. I could rant for hours.
    I also think this point, and really, this whole season, is a huge turning point for the Scoobies. Up until this point, Buffy has always been able to, for the most part, shield her friends from the true horrors of what her fight as the slayer truly means. Now, she isn’t able to do that. They kind of can’t handle it, which I think is a true testament to her skill, character, strength, and selflessness. I don’t blame them for not being able to handle it, but that doesn’t make any of this okay.
    Instead, I sincerely suggest looking up “Buffy Summers | You Didn’t Earn It.” It’s stunning. BUT, I’d wait til you’ve finished the show to watch it, so maybe bookmark it or something.

  • @jspettifer
    @jspettifer Рік тому +3

    IT’S HER HOUSE!

    • @Sytrylt
      @Sytrylt Рік тому +1

      Exactly !!! If they really wanted to make faith their new Leader (big mistake in my opinion but whatever) they could go to Xander's !!! No matter how may people there is, YOU DON'T kick someone out his own damn house ! WTF I screamed at my screen the first time I watched. I never liked Dawn very much, but there... it was it for me XDD

    • @jspettifer
      @jspettifer Рік тому +1

      @@Sytrylt Dawn is still thinking about what the Joyce visitation told her.
      The others have no excuse

    • @coldservings
      @coldservings 9 місяців тому

      ​@@jspettiferAnd plays right into the First's hands in doing so.

  • @PoseurGoth
    @PoseurGoth Рік тому +1

    Giles was a real hypocrite here. He berated the Scoobies for going on dates, even though the enemy's main strength is psychological warfare, and being rested is the best defense. Here he ignored his views when Faith, who was in the right in this situation, took them out to let off steam. And it was largely just spite, to go against Buffy for defying him.

  • @afry6400
    @afry6400 Рік тому +2

    What I find interesting is that through a good chunk of season5 they were pretty much trying to push her back into leading... and Giles up and left to give her room to do exactly that. I found it difficult to swallow why now, when she's buckling down and doing that, they turned on her. I understand it. She does seem to be flying a little wild right now but an intervention style confrontation doesn't seem like it would have been the best way to deal with it. It should have been just the inner circle for it. .. mainly because the potentials are just not up to speed in anything just quite yet. Now i get this is the last season and they knew it at this point so they were trying to work in as much screen time with them as possible but this just seemed off for the core group to me even after the deaths and Xander's eye.

  • @phousefilms
    @phousefilms 5 місяців тому

    "They're all going to abandon you, you know..."
    Gachnar was right!

  • @tehcoolemu
    @tehcoolemu Рік тому +3

    A+ opening edit as usual. Very interested to hear your thoughts on how they resolve this drama, and can't wait to see your reactions to the rest of the final arc!

  • @wordyblerd7723
    @wordyblerd7723 Рік тому +3

    I was fine w them confronting her but then when they kicked her out her own house I was like "HOLD UP." lol ... Actually now that I think of it I was fine w the core Scoobies calling her out. I always saw the Potentials and Anya as useless freeloading brats.

  • @RRADOMAL
    @RRADOMAL Рік тому +2

    No episode pisses me off as much as this one. in HER house. Dawn, you ain’t even real & she died for you.

  • @matthewquinn6172
    @matthewquinn6172 Рік тому +4

    Stakes work on them, they just need an insane amount of force behind them.

  • @rydbthatsme
    @rydbthatsme Рік тому +4

    If it weren’t for the monks it just be BUFFY’S house so I hated Dawn this episode! This whole episode pissed me off when it originally aired and still does!

    • @nicholasgarratt5646
      @nicholasgarratt5646 Рік тому

      Dawn was really horrible and looks like sisterly love was out of the window.

  • @TheNakorius
    @TheNakorius Рік тому +2

    this episode shows that democracy is not picking the best candidate but the most popular one..

  • @Mrs.Watcher
    @Mrs.Watcher Рік тому +3

    Willow has come a long way. Old Willow would have immediately turned to magic to get Xander's eye back, ignoring any price, side effects, or Xander's feelings.

    • @Girl4Music
      @Girl4Music Рік тому +1

      Yep. She’d try to “fix it” with magic.

    • @Ana-yc5ox
      @Ana-yc5ox 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Girl4Musichis new eye would be as evil as Lindsey’s new hand

    • @Reganbowbegan
      @Reganbowbegan 11 місяців тому +2

      I mean she did pull that flower through the earth near the beginning of the season because everything is connected on a molecular level, so she could probably make him a new eye from some of his own stem cells or something.

    • @Girl4Music
      @Girl4Music 11 місяців тому

      @@Reganbowbegan lmfao 🤣

  • @crawdaddy2004
    @crawdaddy2004 24 дні тому

    Isn’t it weird that Buffy makes a single bad call after seven years, and they kick her out? But Faith makes a bad call… on her first call and no one is mad?

  • @alicequinn505
    @alicequinn505 Рік тому

    9:35 the only people who strayed were party animals
    It's so refreshing that someone finally understands all sides of the argument in this episode.
    30:55 Not only threat, but she's only been living in the house since season 5

  • @manbearpig7359
    @manbearpig7359 Рік тому +2

    Fans say that Seeing Red in season 6 is the most divisive, controversial episode. But for me this is the one that strays into total weirdness and shows lazy writing.
    I'm on board with them challenging Buffys decisions, but for Dawn to tell her to leave in the middle of an apocalypse is just crazy

    • @Girl4Music
      @Girl4Music Рік тому +1

      I actually like ‘Seeing Red’ because it’s part of what makes the finale so great.
      But I fucking hate this episode.

    • @manbearpig7359
      @manbearpig7359 Рік тому +1

      @Girl4Music Yeah me too. Seeing Red is in my top 10.
      TBH I think Lies my Parents Told Me was the last really good episode in the season.
      The rest ranged from kind of ok to bad (like this one)

  • @joshneale9616
    @joshneale9616 Рік тому

    Lexi you got me in the first 30 seconds. Not Xander’s eye hole 💀
    You’re an icon- these reactions are such a highlight ❤

  • @HelloXrancidkitteh
    @HelloXrancidkitteh Рік тому +1

    omg the Jenna Marbles edit! 😂 lol thank you for that
    'cause ugh, that ending pisses me off everytime I watch this episode.
    There is this BEAUTIFUL fan edit video, here on youtube, that references Anya's words of Buffy "you didn't earn it". I suggest watching it if you've finished the Buffy side of the series 'cause it might contain spoiler scenes, but if you've finished Buffy, WATCH IT. its probably my favorite Buffy edit out there, that pulls on your heart strings. just incase the title of the video makes you worry, it's Pro-Buffy 🥰

  • @alexh8613
    @alexh8613 Рік тому +1

    So last episode we learn that half the school no longer shows up and this episode we see the city shutting down and people having to walk out of the city, because traffic leaving is so bad. Yet later on, The Bronze is still open and packed. Ummm....

  • @jordanmatthewstelck
    @jordanmatthewstelck Рік тому +5

    Raise your hand if you're siked to see Lexi's reaction to M? 🙋‍♂️

    • @ryokeh102
      @ryokeh102 Рік тому +1

      This took me a minute! 😂
      I am axcited to see her reaction!

    • @jordanmatthewstelck
      @jordanmatthewstelck Рік тому +1

      Hahaha me too. It's such an odd word. No spoilers though! @@ryokeh102

  • @MrLorenzovanmatterho
    @MrLorenzovanmatterho Рік тому

    It's Dawn's house too...

  • @jemal999
    @jemal999 10 місяців тому +1

    The rifts in this season felt so forced. I always thought they could have made a much better season with a bit more cohesion and understanding.

  • @Ana-yc5ox
    @Ana-yc5ox 11 місяців тому

    I agreed with the group for most of the argument. Dragging the scared, mostly untrained, underage girls to fight and likely die was the wrong decision. Buffy should have never asked that from them, and her going all high and mighty was wrong.
    But the group took it too far and some of the insults were too personal. They showed that they can’t fully understand what it is like to be the slayer and the leader. They stood up like they should have done to a plan that was reckless and exactly what Caleb wanted (again), but abandoning Buffy after everything she’d done for them was a huge mistake.

  • @nicholasgarratt5646
    @nicholasgarratt5646 Рік тому +1

    I really hate the ending to this episode especially with what the scoobies said. Buffy has gone through hell the last 7 seasons. I would be tempted to just leave them if she was not wanted (even Dawn turned on her).

    • @coldservings
      @coldservings 9 місяців тому

      Find a witch who can do dimensions and find another one to live in. This one isn't worth saving.

  • @xxSydneyFox
    @xxSydneyFox Рік тому

    I don't think Buffy was in the wrong. She has to make the hard decisions. She doesn't know what waits on the other side. She never asked anyone to follow her, they all decided to stand next to her and support her. There's no time to train or dilly dally.

  • @McCrispyTaco
    @McCrispyTaco Рік тому +1

    They really kicked her out of her own house

  • @stephaniebarker472
    @stephaniebarker472 Рік тому +2

    So- Anya's "You didn't earn it" moment... Remember Buffy talking to Webs is Conversations with Dead People: “I have all this power. I don’t deserve it. I didn’t ask for it.”
    I was very pissed at Anya until I noticed that bit of dialogue on rewatch. Anya is reflecting Buffy’s deepest thoughts, her own internal struggle. It's a meta moment for sure, but she needs to face that before she can move forward.

  • @matthewlangley5794
    @matthewlangley5794 Рік тому

    When Andrew is stalking about hot pockets? Hot pockets is a frozen foods that you can microwave they taste like pizza

  • @jordanmatthewstelck
    @jordanmatthewstelck Рік тому +4

    I so wanted Willow to go all dark again and take on Caleb

  • @danielbutler8103
    @danielbutler8103 Рік тому +1

    5:20 I think when Buffy staked the Ubervamp it didn't go in far enough, If she had gotten it a bit further into the Ubervamp it would have dusted.

  • @CaptNondescript
    @CaptNondescript Рік тому

    'IT WORKED ON TARA' 💀 RIP

  • @alicequinn505
    @alicequinn505 Рік тому

    2:23 Oh my god, nice catch, it must be that laryngitis they were taking about in season 4

  • @coldservings
    @coldservings 9 місяців тому

    This is another one that just pisses me off on Buffy's behalf. For seven seasons, whenever there was a dogpile on Buffy she would prove, in the end, to be right. And here, after all that, not _one_ of her so-called friends was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Not one.
    And Dawn? No, Dawn, it's not your house too. You're a minor child. Buffy is yournlegal guardian. Buffy should have let you jump off that tower because you've just proven that you're not worth her giving her life to save.

    • @coldservings
      @coldservings 9 місяців тому

      Maybe they should have waited for Spike to come back? You think that would have made them _less_ mutinous?
      The "message" was the seal. That's why Caleb attacked her at the school.

  • @67Daidalos
    @67Daidalos Рік тому

    HI Lexi !
    About the staking ubervamp thing. Seems that during your reaction, you missed what Anya said just after stating it as a possibility (though I'm aware you might totally got it while editing) : they have a sternum strong as steel. That's why it didn't work when Buffy did it. Cause the stake just hadn't reached the heart. It was stopped before... It's just like what happen in 3x03 when faith and her were fighting Kakistos. Buffy used a small stake that just wasn't strong enough to pierce Kakistos' chest. But when Faith used a wooden beam, then it worked.

  • @DovahkiinMaster172
    @DovahkiinMaster172 11 місяців тому

    I really hate this episode with everyone attack Buffy. Saying she didn’t earn her place as leader in all of this is absolutely ridiculous.

  • @gooch0607
    @gooch0607 Рік тому +4

    I always skip this part because it peeves me so much. They all would be outta my house so fast!

  • @The_One_In_Black
    @The_One_In_Black Рік тому +1

    This episode feels a bit forced to me. It seems like both sides took more extreme stances than they normally would, just to force the conflict.

  • @donsample1002
    @donsample1002 Рік тому +1

    Buffy kicked herself out. She issued an ultimatum, demanding that they follow her, or she’d leave. They took her at her word.

  • @hardybryan
    @hardybryan Рік тому

    Hot pockets are microwaveable stuffed sandwiches. I never cared for them, but some people swear they're delicious.

  • @Girl4Music
    @Girl4Music Рік тому +1

    I do think some of them had valid arguments. But it just doesn’t feel organic for them to be piling on Buffy like this together. I know the Gang have done that before with Buffy but that was when they were much younger and didn’t have 7 plus years of experience knocking about with the Slayer and their own personal developments and fall outs with living in the supernatural world of Sunnydale. If anything, it feels too late in the game that they would be like this with General Buffy. A lot of storylines in Season 7 feel too late in the game if I was honest. For me the drama doesn’t hit organically. They’re just beats driven into the narrative just for the sake of having last minute drama. And I’m not into it.

  • @arc7375
    @arc7375 Рік тому +1

    Xander was supposed to have been killed by Caleb in the original script which makes the “everyone vs Buffy” sentiment make more sense. Especially for Willow and Anya.

  • @abbesatty9498
    @abbesatty9498 Рік тому

    Giles kicking away the 2 main forces in the scoobi at a time the Evil threat is at its peak, was the stupidest thing he ever done since he conspired with Wood to kill Spike. Probably he was the one who convinced Dawn to say what she said to Buffy.
    Buffy is not flawless but she she got instincts and Giles of all other scoobi should have known that.

  • @RLucas3000
    @RLucas3000 Рік тому

    Ok taking a poll, please vote!
    A) Buffy/Spike
    B) Buffy/Angel
    C) Buffy/Riley (thruple?)
    D) Buffy/Parker
    E) Buffy/Robin
    F) Buffy/Willow (fuck Kennedy!)
    G) Buffy/Connor

  • @mychunkyjordi7585
    @mychunkyjordi7585 Рік тому +2

    If you haven't seen the last few episodes yet your gonna love them .Shame this series ended as SMG said it could've carried on without her 😊🐾 💜

    • @arielcarmona6660
      @arielcarmona6660 Рік тому +4

      no it really couldn't have she's the main start and the focus all along, wihtout Buffy we have no show

  • @Figgy5119
    @Figgy5119 Рік тому

    I know Buffy has a lot of responsibility, but she really reeeally isn't a smart tactician.

  • @HuntingViolets
    @HuntingViolets Місяць тому

    Team Buffy.

  • @Girl4Music
    @Girl4Music Рік тому +1

    And this is why I hate ‘Empty Places’. And why I think it’s just written in as drama for the sake of drama and has no organic development whatsoever as far as character interaction consistency goes.
    If I was honest, I don’t really like the entire season but there are some good episodes so I can’t say I hate it. But it’s just that ‘Empty Places’ aggravated me so much that it’s hard to praise anything about Season 7. This is the bottom line: You do not kick the fucking hero out of her own fucking house!
    First, let’s start with Willow. Willow’s entitlement and arrogance as the leader at the start of Season 6 is something else. She’s all “You do what I tell you to do. No questions asked.” Yeah, you’re the leader but calm the tude Miss Thing. This is what I mean about her being a stricter General than Buffy and that to have her say “I’m worried about your judgement” in ‘Empty Places’ about the controlling way she leads is Grade A hypocrisy considering how she led them.
    Okay, maybe Anya does have a point.
    Buffy didn’t earn her role as Slayer in the traditional way. But she sacrificed for it when it mattered and therefore she earned it in the long run. She could have just given up and she was tempted to. And absolutely nobody would blame her for succumbing to that temptation. But the fact is that she is still here doing it day by day. The Slayer’s responsibility. And I can’t believe Willow never defended her against Anya in that scene when that is exactly what she said in ‘The Weight Of The World’ when Buffy was punishing herself for even thinking of giving up. She tells her to snap out of it, she tells her to get a grip and be a hero like the supportive best friend she is. Now THAT’S in character for Willow, not this coward act where she’s even afraid to tell Anya off, let alone her girlfriend for the absolute load of shite they’re expelling in saying that Buffy doesn’t deserve to be the leader. Willow knows that she does and that SHE IS!
    She more than earned it considering she didn’t even want it to begin with. Anya needs to reassess her thoughts a little bit because she’s missing the point.
    They all do. They’re scared and they’re in pain. I understand that. And I do think many of them had valid arguments… I understand their point of views too… but they took it way out of proportion in kicking Buffy out of her own fucking house!
    As for Buffy. She should trust in her team. They’ve earned it too. That’s my only gripe there. I felt it would have been better if both Buffy and Willow led. Were both General. Commander-in-Chief. Because Anya was right about that. It didn’t have to be Slayers only to lead. I think Willow earned it too. Without a leader, there is no direction, no aim, no trajectory and two heads are better than one.
    And I don’t know about anyone else in the comments section but for me, what makes this episode the worst episode for me - why it’s so infuriating to watch - is because team work is not being considered. It’s not about who is wrong or right - which side to take/not take blah blah blah. It’s about understanding and trusting each other as team members. A team leader is still a member. They’re not “above” or “better” than anyone. But the reason why all team members take direction from the team leader is because there must be somebody that takes command or things get out of control very quickly and loss happens as a result. And while you can argue that this happens with the direction of the leader as well - which is true, - you’re still better off being led than being not led because at least something is happening in effort to rule out one option over another for being unviable. You’ll quickly find out that without a leader leading, this doesn’t happen and time and resources/rations are both being wasted as well as running out. They’re in a war. They fully know this. The last thing they should be doing is doing nothing about it and force-relieving their leader who is doing everything they can - albeit not in the best way they could.
    Buffy isn’t making the best decisions this season but she’s still trying her best and she’s going to make mistakes. That’s just what happens when you’re in a war and you’re the General of the whole army in the fight against it. They’re out of line.

  • @makeupdoll7413
    @makeupdoll7413 Рік тому +1

    This moment right here and the potentials are the reason why I refuse to rewatch S07 after CWDP 💀💀💀💀

  • @shaynaformity1384
    @shaynaformity1384 Рік тому

    Hot Pockets are crappy frozen savory pastries filled with meat/cheese and sauce.

  • @anonymes2884
    @anonymes2884 Рік тому +1

    Yep, the end's a rollercoaster. There are plenty of fans (i'm sure well represented in these comments :) that just can't accept Buffy doing anything wrong, ever. But she certainly is IMO (she's becoming an autocratic leader and viewing the Potentials as pawns in a war rather than human beings with intrinsic value) - you "make sacrifices" _for_ other people, you don't get to make them _of_ other people, not lightly and _certainly_ not without their consent. Buffy is basically becoming a version of the Watcher's Council - callous and all too willing to see teenage girls as cannon fodder.
    But it's painful and goes too far to watch her being kicked out of her own house and e.g. Rhona can fuck right off - you get to make your snarky comments when _you've_ saved the world (a lot :), not when you've mostly sat around griping. And Anya should definitely know better (in my head-canon she's lashing out because Xander's just been grievously injured rather than saying what she believes).

    • @alexie5201
      @alexie5201 Рік тому +2

      Buffy made some mistakes, true, and the way she spoke to them was unnecessarily harsh. I would be pissed too. But instead of bitching about it, I'd reflect on how I could do better next time, or come up with my own plan to offer, or just leave. Buffy's lack of judgement is not an excuse for their behavior and attitude.
      Also, Buffy is the only one who does all the planning and almost all the fighting. She is responsible for everything and everyone. It's not easy, especially when you're dealing with a bunch of girls who don't seem to understand what's happening and a father figure who betrays your trust.

    • @Henrik_Holst
      @Henrik_Holst Рік тому

      So what should she do instead? Every one have come to Buffy:s house expecting to be protected against the first and they all have put Buffy in charge. There is also this whole issue with the first actually having started a war against Buffy and the potentials so what other course of action does she have? Not using the available resources that she have will only lead to her own death and how will that protect any of them? Should they just send in the new Slayer, have her being killed, convert one of the potentials and then redo this whole maneuver until we are out of potentials?

  • @LordNifty
    @LordNifty Рік тому +2

    I don't want to spoil anything, so I'll just say the writing gets really bad from this episode on until the finale, including the dialogue. There can be good acting still, but the storytelling approaches Game of Thrones Season 8 (granted, it doesn't get quite THAT bad) in terms of lazy and forced plot-driven writing, and some of the acting does seem to suffer for it. And Kennedy gets even more insufferable, if one can believe it.

    • @dantesummers4048
      @dantesummers4048 Рік тому +4

      But one of the best speeches of all time happens in the next episode...lol. I actually love Touched and Chosen, its End Of Days that always felt weak IMO.

  • @adgato75
    @adgato75 Рік тому

    You don't know what a Hot Pocket is ? So deprived.

  • @KT-iy9vc
    @KT-iy9vc Рік тому

    I'm on Buffy's side here but it all seems accurate. She made a strategic mistake. Maybe. But a) maybe mistakes can still force the issue and work out in the end and b) mistakes happen. Dont ditch your best leader for a mistake unless youve got someone to replace them who is always perfect. But the reaction of the "followers" seemed realistic.

  • @jeanetteking434
    @jeanetteking434 Рік тому +1

    This episode was so contrived and ruined Anya’s character…. Wtf. I pretend it doesn’t exist.