I spent the first 40 years of my life in Pennsylvania believe me it sucked but you're right I live in Florida now and love the fact of no emissions or inspection
Just wanted to say thank you for the info on gaining my HP back , I pulled my carbon trap out on my 2022 Mach 1 and re inserted the empty tube again thanks for the informative video 👊🏼👊🏼
Yes and no you have closed airbox so you got one it's just in a different location. Check out this video. Also IF this was my car I would have removed the plastic mesh (held in with plastic rivets) that holds this thing in place as well. ua-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/v-deo.html
Good video. I think you can elliminate the issue going with an aftermarket cold air intake that is legal to install in your state. Steeda has in the past had products that are compliant as well as Shelby . Good luck!
Great video! This is just what I needed because I own a 22 Mach 1. A quick note, in Virginia the higher emission standards are only for counties in Northern Virginia they are not for the rest of the state.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I actually have a jlt cold air intake and a steeda H pipe sitting here in my living room just waiting for my tuner to fit me in his schedule. I'm going to get it tuned and install those mods at the same time
@@ericd1632 that is correct The H pipe will replace the resonator. I would recommend the Steeda H Pipe because they use 304 gauge steel instead of the 409 gauge steal make the other companies use. That will prevent it from rusting in the long run. I would also watch Tony's video about fixing the wiring harness issue for the muffler actuators on the passenger side otherwise you're wiring harness will be freyed or severed after a few thousand miles. Last thing is I would remove the hydrocarbon trap from the cold air intake that's a free 20 horsepower and Tony has a video about that also
Thank you Sir Tony for your patience in discovering how to regain our 22 Mach 1’s lost HP. I’m so grateful that you shared this knowledge to us. Keep up the good work sir!!!
I was getting ready to do this in my 22 I was just wondering if anybody had any further comments on longevity without lights and how the car was running thanks in advance looking forward to the next video Tony you do great work here sir!
I can tell you I drove my car 2,200 miles (3 track days) since with no lights. I started data logging I was at only 1% fuel trim long and short. 25% would throw a code. I plan to do a video follow up once I am back from vacation.
Your videos are amazing and informative, I just got a brand new 2022 Mach 1 and there’s not much research out there about them! I am a fan of your channel now! Please reach out I would love to get some advice from you!
Sometimes is not only for emission’s, the manufacturer like to keep HP upgrades for the newest model’s, I know this engine on the MACH 1 can go to 537HP, by simple mapping it, without taking out this, and if you take it out ,put another 20 HP, than we talk about of a natural aspirated engine with 557 HP, another great addition to install is a air intake with a bigger diameter to keep the engine natural aspirated, with this another 10 HP = 567 HP ! We really need the Dark Horse?🤔You run the Dino with X Pipe? By the way ,not run on a Dino, without cooling properly the engine!
My 2022 mach 1 is middle eastern and i pulled out the intake tube and found nothing there i guess its just US specced cars that have the hydrocarbon trap
Just put the carbon trap back in when/if you need to smog the car. I have to remove my oil separator’s for smog here in CA (which arguably just makes the exhaust cleaner). Nobody can just see that trap so, if you know someone who can smog the car, do it to see if it still passes emissions wise.
No but We only ran one pull. It looks like Ford recalibrated the ECU for lower air pressure/volume. I'm not sure if the ECU will adjust itself or need adjusted through a tune. So do so at your own risk .
I had a 2020 GT with PP1. When the 2022 models came out I wondered what they did to drop 10 HP. Now I know. If I look for another Mustang, I don't have to worry whether I get a 2022-23 versus '21 or lower because I know I can get that power back. (I'm in Ohio)
In PA emissions are determined by the county you live in and I am ok in my county. The shop I went to is located in Maryland and they won't touch anything emission related so I had to do the actual removal and not discuss it with them. I did a follow up on this video and if you are thinking about doing this please check that out prior to moving forward. Thanks for watching!
Conner, Ford's retail website has an error. This isn't the first time nor will it be the last time that has happened. All of Ford's technical specs for 2022 (one of which I linked in the video description) and well as the the 2022 owner's manual list the correct compression. Additionally IF the 2022's were down on compression the horsepower drop would have been much more than 10 HP. I pulled the HC trap and my horse power is identical to a 2021. End of story. That's the hardware change for 2022 is the HC trap not compression.
Yeah, even the '19 Bullitt was around 430hp @whl. I think Ford underrated them. I noticed that between the '19 & '20 mdl yr Bullitt. The GOV made Ford knock off 1 Mpg on both city & Highway. & those 2 cars are virtually identical. The '19 used the same published #'s as the '19 GT manual did. Yet we all know the Bullitt has the Gt350 induction tube/intake manifold. Did these cars w/the new carbon trap chg on MPG at all? Cuz that extra loss of 1 Mpg caused the gas guzzler tax to up a Lil if I recall correctly on the '20 Bullitt as well. I had to pay $2600 gas guzzler on our '22 GT500 purchase. My Bullitt was $12/or $1300. I'd hav to chk sticker to be correct. So I've spent nearly $4k in these ridiculous taxes between 2 cars. Where does this money actually funnel to? 🤔 scam as far as I'm concerned. Between sales taxs, insurance, & gas guzzler fees, my 1st new Ford Truck cost less than this NO VALUE Added garbage. I'm burned out on paying sales tax over & over on these used cars after everyone else paid it, in veh markets. As I rarely buy new anymore, except these FoMoCo performance cars. Thx for the video Tony. I never would hav thought Ford would put a restriction in the induction tube. Other than trapped miniscule vapors, no idea what it can perform well as.??
@@BrailsfordsRides We tried but there wasn't much to gain. I think we picked up 6 HP with the tune. Most of it was there already from Ford with the red key.
I’m a rebel in this regard. Legal is what I choose it is 😂. Choose wisely. I’d chuck that thing on a shelf until you have to do emission tests or something.
Actual it's not part of any emissions test and it is sitting on a shelf. It collects the Hydrocarbons emitted through the throttle body after you shut your car down. If you have a Mach 1 and are thinking of doing this watch the second episode as I was learning as I went along.
That’s a great video, Bro!🙌🏻 I have two questions, as I have just become a proud parent of a 2022 Mach1! I’m ecstatic! #1 - Does removing the hydrocarbon trap void the warranty? #2 - How would the State know that you removed the part? UNLESS someone snitched on you, right? Any thoughts? I need to know this bc I want the increased HP, as I used to own a 2020 GT PP1 and I was super happy with its stock HP. I really don’t understand why the government came up with this ridiculous new law. 😩 Thanks much and keep your videos coming! Happy Easter!
Thank you and I highly suggest you watch the other videos in the series. I was learning as I went went along. See links below. Question #1 there's now way it would void anything, they really would as it catches HC's after the car is shut down so it would pop up on a sniffer. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
you don't have to pull your airbox out of a 2017. You don't have an HC trap in your car. My opinion any Cold air intake that wouldn't require a tune isn't an improvement over your factory airbox and is a waste of $. You would be better off buying a low restriction air filter and being done with it.
The air box on my 22 gt premium looks nothing like this. Its 2 rectangular filters, one in the lid and one on the air box. There is no sign of anything that looks like that hydrocarbon trap
Thanks for watching I think I have answered all your questions in other videos on this topic. I would suggest you check out this playlist. Keep in mind I was figuring things out as I went along. ua-cam.com/play/PLz2M3b_orpr3WOr2d853is8S6hubCkoqD.html
Has there been any info on why Ford would put a carbon trap on the intake? Is it to catch evaporative emissions from fuel left in a cylinder/intake manifold post shutoff? That's about all I can think of. And if that's where they're at now chasing emissions, they're tilting at windmills. It just doesn't matter. You'd create more emissions by spilling a few drops of fuel at the pump than you would ever catch with this abomination on the intake. Oh and props Tony on showing consideration for the dyno shop in your testing process.
I know the CARB emissions become more restrictive each and every year so maybe this was all Ford could come with to meet the requirement? I understand a tune has to be careful with the EPA watching everything they do. I didn't want to ask them to touch anything and we scheduled my pulls over their lunch hour so it worked out well.
So I decided to attempt this process this morning and I got stuck at the part of removing the size reduction tube. I tried to get several different sizes of screwdrivers to pry and release those tabs to remove the tube but it was just digging into the plastic. Since this process was cut from the video, I am curious as to what you used as well as if you have to pry at all three sides at the same time or if there is enough play to do one at a time. I thought it would be quick so I tried to do it when I didn’t have much time, maybe that’s where I went wrong. Thanks in advance!
The tabs need to pop up slightly. You can use anything that you can wedge under them. I have had people tell me they used paint sticks, chisels, and butter knives. Then you need to push from the other side through the tube. It helps if you get a helper to hold those wedges in place as you push from the other side. I assure you it pop out. The good news the tube will pop back in very easily once the trap is removed. Make sure you have watched part two which was shot the following day. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs no inspection station is going to open up your air box. they check for cats and the check engine light, that's it as far as non-emissions counties.
Thanks for sharing. I'm a bit worried if there would be a recalibration required in order to get things right but it sounds like you haven't had it throw a code yet.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs, right now I have no issues. My real concern was using the gt350 tube to locate the MAF back to the 21 position. If I get any codes or driving issues, it will be passed along for everyone.
No not now. Hopefully you watched the second & third video in the series. I was learning as I went. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
Thank god it seems to be an easy fix. Read somewhere that ford changed the compression on the 22s.. I guess that’s the next rabbit hole to go down. Great work 👍
I didn't check the airflow tables so I'm not sure if the ECU will need recalibrated or not. As the where you heard it that's bad info that's currently on Ford Retail website and Alex Flores tossed it out on a live chat as if it were gospel. IF the 22's were down on compression it would be a lot more than a 10 HP loss.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs yea it seems you have found the culprit. And to think I almost didn’t pick up my order with all the info floating around. Thanks again.
If someone were to take this out, but accidentally forget to put it back it, would it fail emission testing? Would it throw any codes to let them know?
This device was made to capture emissions from the throttle body on shut down. It does nothing to the tailpipe emissions. Make sure you watch the follow up video as I was learning as I went along.
Hey Tony, I think in a previous video you mentioned reinstalling the tube that held the trap rather leaving the whole piece out. Is this still the case? Thanks for what you do!
Hey Tony! Great video. Curious about something. Is there any downside to removing that hydrocarbon trap piece? short or long term? Also, what's the effect on mileage? Any significant difference either way? Thanks.
Hey thank you! I did data logging and there were no issues & yes the MPG went up. Not sure how that thing was saving the planet when I was burning more gas. ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
Once you have something lodged in those 3 tabs to push them up (Allen wrench's work well) you push the insert out from throttle body side. Remove the trap and reinsert the tube style insert till it clicks into place, done. Put it all back together.
Not at all. You can pop it back in at anytime. Just make sure you watch the second video as I was learning as I went along. This essentially makes the car a 2021. It a blockage to trap HC particles on shut down.
It traps some of the hydrocarbons that at released through the throttle body at shut down. It also makes the the engine less efficient and therefore reduces MPG and therefore increases Hydrocarbons through the tailpipe. Especially affecting someone like me who takes several long trips a year.
You should be a good shape. I have a 22 GT stopping by tomorrow so we can find the where Ford installed the HC trap on that intake & a video will follow shortly.
You have to push on the filter from the back (throttle body side) I can't think Ford would have added glue. Plus I have other 2023 Subscribers have have done this successfully. I have had people pop allen wrenches under the tabs and push from filter side. It helps if you have a helper. Best of luck
Hello Tony, greetings from Spain, I have recently acquired a mach1 and I have watched your videos, I am going to remove the carbon filter, it is safe for the engine and also add the airaid filter
Thanks for watching. Unless you picked up an U.S. export car you most likely do not have and HC Trap on your vehicle. Euro spec cars have a different set up. You can learn more about that here: ua-cam.com/video/NpoERP9zcu0/v-deo.html The Airaid filter would be a nice and easy add to your car that would bump HP slightly. It would be safe as it's the same filter that Ford Motor Sports sells.
Is made in EEUU but for Europe, not export car, so I think u have the reason, one more question Tony, Airaid is better than K&N filter? thank u for your answer, very fast!! great greetings from spain @@TonysFordsandMustangs
@@franmolina8257 I went with the Airaid because it's a dry filter. K&N's are an oil bath (style filter) They require service that includes a cleaning and prep kit. That is additional cost and time that isn't required for the Airaid. I also think the Airaid is a better filter in terms of filtering than a K&N as it's a bit more restrictive.
This is great information. I also wondered why the 2022 Gen 3 Coyote would all of a sudden be down 10 HP from the 2018-2021. Lucky for me, I have a 2019 GTCS with the Ford Performance Power Pack with that same intake as the Bullet and Mach 1, but I don't have that part. So no worries about emissions. Plus, I live in WV, we don't care about those! LOL!
Why in the world would anyone buy an automatic Mustang Mach 1 when it's got that amazing Tremec 6-speed manual. If you're going to get an automatic just get yourself a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord and call it a day.
Speaking as one who lost to A10 after getting the jump and not yet shifting out of first gear I get it. It's not me but I get it. That and and some people drive in areas that cause you to have to shift 30 times per mile so I understand that as well. It's you know, rough on the knee after a 20 mile drive.
I made a second video the following day discussing exactly that. This video is almost two year old now. I was one of the first people to figure out HC traps limitations however I was learning as I went along and you can'[t edit a video once it uploaded to youtube so I had to make a follow up.
@@TheWhiteCometOfZion Sure. Just watch the other videos in the series. Here's a playlist that should narrow it down for you. ua-cam.com/video/N01zLqB2r1I/v-deo.html
FYI I don't know if doing this will cause the car to need a recalibration or not so keep us posted. I did the one pull and got the answers I was looking for.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I read that in your description. I went on a drive and I can feel a noticeable difference in power and sound for sure. Way better. I’m not really worried about the tune. Feels great. I might do a pro charger eventually. You can see my Mach on my page if you like. Thanks for the free HP
Awesome video. All the states mentioned are you know what. Texas here and I’m removing mine. Wish I could delete my 6.7. All B.S on this emissions junk.
I have a “22 Mach 1 and I live in Florida , love the video but my only complaint is you didn’t show what the carbon trap looks like , you basic took it apart and said do this and it falls out , but what exactly falls out or what does it look like , I saw the screen that was still in the chamber but again what exactly am I removing , I would really appreciate the help
Pull the lid, disconnect the mass airflow sensor, remove mass airflow sensor, pull the intake tube from the throttle body to the lid, once the tube is out of the you need to lift the three tabs from the section that leads into the airbox with something (I used screwdrivers) while pushing on the trap from the opposite side (throttle body side) and the tube insert pops out. The trap is easy to remove from there it held in place by 3 small tabs. re-install tube insert, mass airflow sensor, tube back into the car and then the lid, connect mass airflow sensor. I show the HC trap in the next video ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
@@neilafromsky113 That's might be the issue. You need to put the sleeve back in minus the HC trap. I posted two days later and have a card for it at the end of the video. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
Informative video. Unfortunately the ending ruined it all for me. So Alex is in the wrong just because he was sent a link that Ford, out of everyone, put out? Then he is accused of not doing research even though this was something the manufacturer put out? 😂 What’s wrong with people..
I watched Alex's stream after I heard from several of his viewers who stated I was dead wrong about this and I didn't know what I was talking about. When you spend the time and do the research that can piss you off. Ford put the wrong information out there. I get that. Alex decided to roll with it with out checking out anything. He stated "There you have it, we are back to the 1970's". As far as I know he has never circled back to correct this error. Nobodies perfect but If you state something as fact for your audience and you find out later that you were quoting an error you should retract it. A guy who has been around the car community as long as he has he should have known that compression drop like that would have netted a much larger drop in than just 10 HP.
That’s the thing though, the research is in the fact that FoMoCo was the one who said this, so the research is there. I get it can be frustrating to hear something negative, in this case what the article said, but at the same time Alex’s livestream was to discuss the topic of what was presented by Ford. If anything the blame at the end should of went to Ford and not to Alex for discussing something that Ford put out.
@@trackdriven350 There are/were multiple Ford websites that have the correct information on the 2022's and only one that was incorrect. Had he choose to look into it for a couple of minutes he could have found conflicting data rather quickly throwing that website in question. He didn't do that and he now has people believing that 22's & 23's 5.0's are down on compression. I have seen multiple posts on social media and in forums from these people and trust me they believe it to be a fact only because Alex said it and it was on one Ford website. I don't argue with them because it's pointless. If he wants to have misinformed subscribers so be it. I can't understand how you can fault me for stating that the information he relayed was wrong (immediately after it happened) and that he should have looking into this prior to saying it was fact. At the minimum he should tell his audience that Ford's website was wrong and that the new 5.0's are not down on compression. I don't watch enough of his videos to know if that has happened yet but I have yet to see it the comments section.
Yes sir, I understand. What I’m getting to is how you said it on the video. If the miss information was put out by Ford why not just blame them for the miss information?It makes it sound as if he is the one who came up with this but all along he was just going over whatever Ford released to the public. I am sure he will go over the topic again sooner or later but it just hasn’t come up ever since, there’s been other topics discussed. But like I said I understand you, it’s just how things are said is all.
@@trackdriven350 He's the one that brought attention to it. There are very few people drilling down that far into Ford's website. This isn't the first time the marketing department at Ford has had bad info on their website. Alex knows that as well. I think he was having fun with it but unfortunately a lot of his viewers took it as fact. Everybody runs their own show and I don't think I outright bashed him for this. I mentioned it and pointed out it was wrong because I grew tired of the comments section filling up with his fans telling me I didn't know what I was talked about. Their only proof was that link and that Alex said it. I could post the owners manual and several other sources form Ford as proof that the compression hadn't changed to no avail. Thank you for understanding and perhaps I could have worded it better.
You saw what I did and that's all that I did. Same day, same dyno. These engines like to breath. FYI my MPG are up slightly as well. Thanks for watching!
Hey Tony, thanks for the video, very informative. Just wondering if removing this affect smog? I know it won’t be until 8 more years but I would like to throw the trap in the trash if it doesn’t affect smog. Thank you in advance
I do not have to go through emissions testing where I live so I can't say but from what I understand the device is there to capture any gases that may escape through the intake after you shut the car down. That said it's best not to toss any OEM car part. Original emission equipment for a 1970 Boss 302 brings big money. Also government regulations change all the time so you maybe required to have it in at some point in the future.
Super video - good info 👍. Does anyone know if this is also the way they EU models are lowered in hp compared to the US (Bullitt down from 480 to 460 hp)?
I have yet to see and EU car. From what I understand there are exhaust restrictions on the EU cars. You certainly can check and see if it there or not.
I'm in the same boat and my HC trap is sitting on shelf. Make sure you watch the other two videos before diving in., I was learning as I went and there is one thing you need to do that wasn't covered in this video.
What do you think about removing the circular plates in the grill and cutting a hole in the hood insulation above the CAI to let in more cool air? I thought the hood scoops were functional but there is no hole in the insulation above the air filter?
Ford has a duct that runs just behind the grill plate directly to the airbox. You will find it when you look. I thought about removing that plate but it's there to keep large objects such as leaves, big bugs etc. from clogging up the filter. I pull and blow out the filter every 1000 miles or so. They collect a lot of junk. The vents in the hood are heat extractors and they are functional. They pull the hot air out of the engine compartment instead of ducting cold air in. I don't think you will see much of a gain if any by pulling the drivers side plate and I wouldn't cut your insulation as you will ruin the seal to the hood and pull hot air from the engine in which would lower HP.
Thanks for watching Luke! Make sure you watch the follow up videos as there is some important information after data logging that you need to know prior making this happening.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I will be sure to look at those. So I just got home and tore into this. My intake setup doesn’t match what is shown in your video. Brand new 2022 mustang gt. There is a rectangular “pre” filter (about 3”x8”) I’m going to call it that may be serving the same purpose. What are your thoughts?
@@lukepartin1487 got you & your GT covered. 🙂 ua-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/v-deo.html Maybe check out the entire series it took me some time and research to figure this thing out.
@@lukepartin1487 watch that and get back to me as there is a bit more you can do. The GT I checked out wasn't my car so I wasn't going to break out the cordless drill. If it was I would.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I didn't think about the Mach1 and GT intake being different. I ended up removing the carbon filter, drilling the plastic rivets and removing the mesh. There is also a similar insert tube like you show on your car in the MAF tube area i removed as well. The butt-dyno says theres an improvement.
No what so ever the O2's are wideband and the ECU adjusts quickly. Thanks for watching & make sure you watch the follow up videos as I was learning as I went along. Those should answer any of your other questions.
Thanks for watching & It's not really an air filter. There are two different Hydro Carbon traps. One in the open airbox cars (Mach 1) and one in the closed airbox GT's. I do have video on both. You can find them on my channel.
Thanks for the video. What month/year was that mustang built? I only ask because my 22 gt was built october 22; i looked for and didnt find that part in the intake. I did find an additional carbon filter mounted in the engine air filter box above the filter, meaning that air passes through the main engine air filter then through this smaller carbon filter. Its mounted in a way so that you wouldnt see it if your were just replacing the main air filter. I took it out but left the empty plastic bracket. Looks like a smaller version of an in cabin filter, but i dont want it.
Your GT has the closed box setup and I did make a video about those cars after I was able to see one in person. That grid can be removed relatively easily as well. It took me a while to figure this out and I think I was the first person to get it on UA-cam. Now every other person with a channel has made a video about it. :) Thanks for watching! ua-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thanks for the link! Thats exactly what mine had. I considered pulling the bracket but may just install a lid from a 21 like you said.
Mike I can't tell you as I don't have a GT but, since both cars have a Coyote, and both cars dropped 10 HP, and Ford stated this was why with both cars I would be willing to bet the HC trap is right behind your Mass Airflow Sensor. Be careful before you rip and run. I did not recalibrate anything and that was something else Ford said they did here most likely because of reduced airflow.
All i did was leave the piece with the holes in the tube, but discarded the goofy charcoal filter and the bracket that holds in place. then added a Airaid Junior elbow, a Green Filter. Night and Day difference on a test drive. no cels, car sounds good at all speeds! yes, it s 2022 GT.CS 10 speed
i also used the Airaid Junior for a 2015 thru 2017. the rubber coupling just needs a hair dryer for a minute or 2 and then it slips right on. then went to the auto parts store and bought some rubber caps to seal the holes on the tube. easy peasy!
Literally did this at the track 2 weeks ago - and picked up 12 hundredths. I just returned my 2019 GT back to stock, and wonder if there is any benefit to the JLT cold air over the stock.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs kind of what I was thinking. At least I already have the JLT. I'm waiting to see if Lund can tune the 22's on the NGauge before I do anything.
It was said by Ford that the 22 Mustang both Mach 1 & GT lost 10 crank HP. My results netted 18 at the wheel. You can be the judge. Same car, same day, same dyno.
Thanks for watching. I have curiosity issues. I get a question in my head and I have to find out why sometimes. I'm not sure what's next for the car at this time. I have a couple of track days this month and winter is right around the corner so anything substantial won't happen till I get bored. Hopefully there's a cold air intake that's legal in the near future ;)
I am aware. Not sure why the GT500 got a pass on the HC Trap. It might have just sucked it through the supercharger and spit it out the other side? Those cars are beasts.
@Tony’s Fords and Mustangs how do you think the Mach1 would do with tall larger guys? I’m 6’3” and 325lbs. I’m in the market and I’m trying to decide on cars vs trucks etc. I’ve been a Jeep guy the last 12 years. Ready to try something new. I have always wanted a mustang but I’m looking at everything from ‘ Estes to Challengers
@@scott7695 I would tell you the Recaro seat won't work for you. The best thing is for you to drive a Mustang. I have some larger friend that fit just fine but other that find them too tight a fit. I can't argue with a Challenger. The SRT cars do everything well just nothing great. They are quick, have decent handling, get decent mileage and are comfortable to drive, and have plenty of space both in the passenger compartment and in the trunk. From the factory the SRT's don't lead at any of those things. The Hellcats are very fast IF you can get them to hook up. They are also great at burnouts if that's your thing. They can be made to handle well but it's a long road to get there. I can say I have never been a Jeep person as I don't go off road often. Best of luck and let me know which way you go.
Any idea if the 2024 cars have this carbon trap? I noticed they rated them at 480 horse but the toque peak is still down compared to what the 2021 5.0 was rated at.
I won't know until I see one but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did. It's not something Ford really advertises. I had to dig to figure out on my 2022.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Well thank you for doing the leg work. I didn't see this info anywhere else on the web. The Mach 1 is on my short list of cars I'm looking at and I was really disappointed that Ford took away horsepower and tq, it's a big relief seeing how easy it is to get the power back and thankfully its not tune related like Ford said it was. Also it's great that you showed the dyno and proved that it is a noticeable difference.
Curious, Tony. So what does the hydrocarbon trap actually do, please? I'm not sure, but is it possible that Ford decreased the power of the 2022's to increase the reliability of the engine? I don't know. I heard that they did it for 'emissions.'
Do what you will however if that sleeve is not put back in the fuel mixture will be off and the car will run rich and I didn't change the throttle body so...
@@TonysFordsandMustangs not to be argumentative,but that sleeve does not run the entire length of the intake and opens up after. According to FP, not an issue. Just as as a side effect when the sleeve is in there is less turbulence in the intake.
@@dennishilligoss7386 No it does not the entire length at all. I can tell you I had very different fuel trim numbers with it in and with it out. I do not know who you are referring to when you mention FP.
@@dennishilligoss7386 Why would Ford Performance take an official stance on removing a factory emissions control device? That seems very odd to me. Can you send me a link?
Thanks and I have not yet installed a MGW shifter. It's better, but not extremely better than the OEM shifter. The have been other things I have been working on such as the power from the engine. Just invest $60 today that I think netted a few more. Stay tuned :)
Mustangs use wide band O2 sensors so no but, I HIGHLY suggest you watch the following 2 videos before attempting. I had to learn as I went. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs i did remove the carbon trap and have definitely seen an increase in throttle response no doubt. does the tube that hold the trap also restrict the airflow? should i take that out as well? Thanks
Register your car in the free state of Florida. No inspections, total freedom.
I’ve grown up in Florida and I couldn’t imagine doing a vehicle inspection
I spent the first 40 years of my life in Pennsylvania believe me it sucked but you're right I live in Florida now and love the fact of no emissions or inspection
Not for long.
@@MasterCarguy44-pk2dqAs long as they don’t elect a Democrat it will be forever.
Glad I got a 2020 👀. Glad you put it back in… wink wink
Just wanted to say thank you for the info on gaining my HP back , I pulled my carbon trap out on my 2022 Mach 1 and re inserted the empty tube again thanks for the informative video 👊🏼👊🏼
Great to hear! I was hoping you would let me know how it worked out for you!
This is a timeless post for 22 and 23 Mach1 owners.
Thank you and Hopefully they watch part 2 so they put the sleeve back in, :)
They need to leave California Emissions in California. That state is all jacked up. Celebrities moving out left and right.
Is it possible that some GT’s didn’t come with that part. I have a 2022 manual and didn’t see it.
Yes and no you have closed airbox so you got one it's just in a different location. Check out this video. Also IF this was my car I would have removed the plastic mesh (held in with plastic rivets) that holds this thing in place as well. ua-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs thank you!
Good video. I think you can elliminate the issue going with an aftermarket cold air intake that is legal to install in your state. Steeda has in the past had products that are compliant as well as Shelby . Good luck!
Thanks for the info! and thanks for watching!
Great video! This is just what I needed because I own a 22 Mach 1. A quick note, in Virginia the higher emission standards are only for counties in Northern Virginia they are not for the rest of the state.
Wes there will be an update to this video shortly so don't jump on this just yet.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I actually have a jlt cold air intake and a steeda H pipe sitting here in my living room just waiting for my tuner to fit me in his schedule. I'm going to get it tuned and install those mods at the same time
@@wesd2845 So the H pipe is to delete the resonator correct? I ordered a 2023 and I'm going to do the same thing
@@ericd1632 that is correct The H pipe will replace the resonator. I would recommend the Steeda H Pipe because they use 304 gauge steel instead of the 409 gauge steal make the other companies use. That will prevent it from rusting in the long run. I would also watch Tony's video about fixing the wiring harness issue for the muffler actuators on the passenger side otherwise you're wiring harness will be freyed or severed after a few thousand miles. Last thing is I would remove the hydrocarbon trap from the cold air intake that's a free 20 horsepower and Tony has a video about that also
@@wesd2845304 vs 409 grades of stainless. 304 is generally more rust resistant and tolerates heat better. Gauge is actually thickness of the steel.
Thank you Sir Tony for your patience in discovering how to regain our 22 Mach 1’s lost HP. I’m so grateful that you shared this knowledge to us. Keep up the good work sir!!!
Thank you for watching and please share the channel!
I removed the hydrocarbon trap on my 2022 GT and I got a check engine with a lean code so do we need a tune ?@@TonysFordsandMustangs
@@Oliver-ft2fq Did you reinstall the tube as explained in the second video?
@@Oliver-ft2fq ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html or here ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
Tip #17: dont drop any of those 10mm bolts: they DONT end up on the ground...
How the heck did you get the diameter piece out? I have been struggling for about an hour now.
Send me your # Tony@rallynorthamerica.com and I'll walk you through it. ;)
I was getting ready to do this in my 22 I was just wondering if anybody had any further comments on longevity without lights and how the car was running thanks in advance looking forward to the next video Tony you do great work here sir!
I can tell you I drove my car 2,200 miles (3 track days) since with no lights. I started data logging I was at only 1% fuel trim long and short. 25% would throw a code. I plan to do a video follow up once I am back from vacation.
Your videos are amazing and informative, I just got a brand new 2022 Mach 1 and there’s not much research out there about them! I am a fan of your channel now! Please reach out I would love to get some advice from you!
Thanks you so much for the kind words and my contact information is in the description section of all my videos.
Sometimes is not only for emission’s, the manufacturer like to keep HP upgrades for the newest model’s, I know this engine on the MACH 1 can go to 537HP, by simple mapping it, without taking out this, and if you take it out ,put another 20 HP, than we talk about of a natural aspirated engine with 557 HP, another great addition to install is a air intake with a bigger diameter to keep the engine natural aspirated, with this another 10 HP = 567 HP ! We really need the Dark Horse?🤔You run the Dino with X Pipe? By the way ,not run on a Dino, without cooling properly the engine!
Informative, nice disclaimer on putting the “trap” back in 😏.
You know it
My 2022 mach 1 is middle eastern and i pulled out the intake tube and found nothing there i guess its just US specced cars that have the hydrocarbon trap
Yes that is a U.S. only deal. I believe this video would address your spec. ua-cam.com/video/NpoERP9zcu0/v-deo.html
Just put the carbon trap back in when/if you need to smog the car. I have to remove my oil separator’s for smog here in CA (which arguably just makes the exhaust cleaner). Nobody can just see that trap so, if you know someone who can smog the car, do it to see if it still passes emissions wise.
I have it covered :) thanks for watching!
Hey tony after you pull out that restricter does it throw a check engine light?
Great video
No but We only ran one pull. It looks like Ford recalibrated the ECU for lower air pressure/volume. I'm not sure if the ECU will adjust itself or need adjusted through a tune. So do so at your own risk .
I had a 2020 GT with PP1. When the 2022 models came out I wondered what they did to drop 10 HP. Now I know. If I look for another Mustang, I don't have to worry whether I get a 2022-23 versus '21 or lower because I know I can get that power back. (I'm in Ohio)
Yes it not an issue.
If you drove under 5000 miles aren't Pennsylvania cars emissions exempt so would anyone know? Also would the computer get thrown off? Just curious
In PA emissions are determined by the county you live in and I am ok in my county. The shop I went to is located in Maryland and they won't touch anything emission related so I had to do the actual removal and not discuss it with them. I did a follow up on this video and if you are thinking about doing this please check that out prior to moving forward. Thanks for watching!
Can't you just put it back in for an emissions test, then remove it again? And by the way did it throw any codes
I have a couple update videos that you need to watch if you are looking at doing this yourself. I did not get any codes
On Alex's video he goes straight to the ford website and the specs show lower compression and smaller piston size.
Conner, Ford's retail website has an error. This isn't the first time nor will it be the last time that has happened. All of Ford's technical specs for 2022 (one of which I linked in the video description) and well as the the 2022 owner's manual list the correct compression. Additionally IF the 2022's were down on compression the horsepower drop would have been much more than 10 HP. I pulled the HC trap and my horse power is identical to a 2021. End of story. That's the hardware change for 2022 is the HC trap not compression.
yeah 401 seems low for 480 hp... considering boss stock dyno numbers are 390-395 with 444hp
My Boss hit 418 with a cat-back and a K&N drop in air filter.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs no tune?
Yeah, even the '19 Bullitt was around 430hp @whl. I think Ford underrated them. I noticed that between the '19 & '20 mdl yr Bullitt. The GOV made Ford knock off 1 Mpg on both city & Highway. & those 2 cars are virtually identical. The '19 used the same published #'s as the '19 GT manual did. Yet we all know the Bullitt has the Gt350 induction tube/intake manifold. Did these cars w/the new carbon trap chg on MPG at all? Cuz that extra loss of 1 Mpg caused the gas guzzler tax to up a Lil if I recall correctly on the '20 Bullitt as well. I had to pay $2600 gas guzzler on our '22 GT500 purchase. My Bullitt was $12/or $1300.
I'd hav to chk sticker to be correct. So I've spent nearly $4k in these ridiculous taxes between 2 cars. Where does this money actually funnel to? 🤔 scam as far as I'm concerned. Between sales taxs, insurance, & gas guzzler fees, my 1st new Ford Truck cost less than this NO VALUE Added garbage. I'm burned out on paying sales tax over & over on these used cars after everyone else paid it, in veh markets. As I rarely buy new anymore, except these FoMoCo performance cars. Thx for the video Tony. I never would hav thought Ford would put a restriction in the induction tube. Other than trapped miniscule vapors, no idea what it can perform well as.??
@@BrailsfordsRides We tried but there wasn't much to gain. I think we picked up 6 HP with the tune. Most of it was there already from Ford with the red key.
I’m a rebel in this regard. Legal is what I choose it is 😂. Choose wisely. I’d chuck that thing on a shelf until you have to do emission tests or something.
Actual it's not part of any emissions test and it is sitting on a shelf. It collects the Hydrocarbons emitted through the throttle body after you shut your car down. If you have a Mach 1 and are thinking of doing this watch the second episode as I was learning as I went along.
That’s a great video, Bro!🙌🏻
I have two questions, as I have just become a proud parent of a 2022 Mach1! I’m ecstatic!
#1 - Does removing the hydrocarbon trap void the warranty?
#2 - How would the State know that you removed the part? UNLESS someone snitched on you, right?
Any thoughts?
I need to know this bc I want the increased HP, as I used to own a 2020 GT PP1 and I was super happy with its stock HP. I really don’t understand why the government came up with this ridiculous new law. 😩
Thanks much and keep your videos coming!
Happy Easter!
Thank you and I highly suggest you watch the other videos in the series. I was learning as I went went along. See links below. Question #1 there's now way it would void anything, they really would as it catches HC's after the car is shut down so it would pop up on a sniffer. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
I heard that if I pull that out on my 2017 stock air box it won't run right??? Anyone know if that is true? Do I need a tune if I pull that?
you don't have to pull your airbox out of a 2017. You don't have an HC trap in your car. My opinion any Cold air intake that wouldn't require a tune isn't an improvement over your factory airbox and is a waste of $. You would be better off buying a low restriction air filter and being done with it.
The air box on my 22 gt premium looks nothing like this. Its 2 rectangular filters, one in the lid and one on the air box. There is no sign of anything that looks like that hydrocarbon trap
Yes you are correct and I found it on the GT's as well. Thanks for watching! ua-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/v-deo.html
My 2023 said
“18 HP returned”
on the instrument cluster when I started it back up.
That's Awesome! Thanks for watching and make sure you watch part 2. I was learning as I went along.
Can we take it out..? And put it back in when smog comes around..? Will it hurt anything?
Thanks for watching I think I have answered all your questions in other videos on this topic. I would suggest you check out this playlist. Keep in mind I was figuring things out as I went along. ua-cam.com/play/PLz2M3b_orpr3WOr2d853is8S6hubCkoqD.html
Thank you .. great video.. I’m glad you are a law-abiding-citizen 😊. So glad you reinstalled that 😉😉👍
Thanks for watching & Me too!
Has there been any info on why Ford would put a carbon trap on the intake? Is it to catch evaporative emissions from fuel left in a cylinder/intake manifold post shutoff? That's about all I can think of. And if that's where they're at now chasing emissions, they're tilting at windmills. It just doesn't matter. You'd create more emissions by spilling a few drops of fuel at the pump than you would ever catch with this abomination on the intake. Oh and props Tony on showing consideration for the dyno shop in your testing process.
I know the CARB emissions become more restrictive each and every year so maybe this was all Ford could come with to meet the requirement? I understand a tune has to be careful with the EPA watching everything they do. I didn't want to ask them to touch anything and we scheduled my pulls over their lunch hour so it worked out well.
So I decided to attempt this process this morning and I got stuck at the part of removing the size reduction tube. I tried to get several different sizes of screwdrivers to pry and release those tabs to remove the tube but it was just digging into the plastic. Since this process was cut from the video, I am curious as to what you used as well as if you have to pry at all three sides at the same time or if there is enough play to do one at a time. I thought it would be quick so I tried to do it when I didn’t have much time, maybe that’s where I went wrong. Thanks in advance!
The tabs need to pop up slightly. You can use anything that you can wedge under them. I have had people tell me they used paint sticks, chisels, and butter knives. Then you need to push from the other side through the tube. It helps if you get a helper to hold those wedges in place as you push from the other side. I assure you it pop out. The good news the tube will pop back in very easily once the trap is removed. Make sure you have watched part two which was shot the following day. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thank you!
@@oklahomalb7440 let me know how you make out. All three tabs have to be raised slightly. Don't pry too much or they will snap.
I live in PA, monroe county. The county is emissions exempt for inspection just move to an emissions exempt county.
The law states that you cannot remove factory installed emission equipment or try to defeat it.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs no inspection station is going to open up your air box. they check for cats and the check engine light, that's it as far as non-emissions counties.
Thanks for the follow-up on this topic Tony. This is a simple mod, I have 300 miles on my Mach since the tube swap and it’s running great.
Thanks for sharing. I'm a bit worried if there would be a recalibration required in order to get things right but it sounds like you haven't had it throw a code yet.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs, right now I have no issues. My real concern was using the gt350 tube to locate the MAF back to the 21 position. If I get any codes or driving issues, it will be passed along for everyone.
@@anthonywelborn7434 Awesome thank you and please do let me know!
Please watch the update video posting shortly.
@@anthonywelborn7434 any code yet brother, I’m trynna pull this hoe out
Tony are you putting a shifter in this car ? Or not worth the money and effort?
I am really on the fence about that. It's an improvement but not a drastic improvement. I guess it depends on how bored I get over the winter.
Does the car run any different since you pulled the Carbon filter
No not now. Hopefully you watched the second & third video in the series. I was learning as I went. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
Thank god it seems to be an easy fix. Read somewhere that ford changed the compression on the 22s.. I guess that’s the next rabbit hole to go down. Great work 👍
I didn't check the airflow tables so I'm not sure if the ECU will need recalibrated or not. As the where you heard it that's bad info that's currently on Ford Retail website and Alex Flores tossed it out on a live chat as if it were gospel. IF the 22's were down on compression it would be a lot more than a 10 HP loss.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs yea it seems you have found the culprit. And to think I almost didn’t pick up my order with all the info floating around. Thanks again.
@@teemeaux3830 there is an update coming shortly that you will want to watch.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Interesting comment. How are you checking the airflow tables?
@@ra3ta I can monitor the fuel trim levels with my tuner. I made an update the following day regarding the tube that holds the HC trap
excellent video, appreciate you running that down for everyone. JLT will sell even more CAI now! lol
That's very possible. FYI I don't know if doing this will cause the car to need a recalibration or not.
So you put it back in? Why? Whos going to go through the trouble to ck.
sometimes you need to say things on the internet ;)
If someone were to take this out, but accidentally forget to put it back it, would it fail emission testing? Would it throw any codes to let them know?
This device was made to capture emissions from the throttle body on shut down. It does nothing to the tailpipe emissions. Make sure you watch the follow up video as I was learning as I went along.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thanks for the reply. I will...um...forward this info to the proper guy. 😉
Ty Tony for this video. I did the same thing to our Mach1
Make sure you watch the follow up videos. I was learning as I went along.
Glad to see you figure out the restriction. Thankfully under the new VA governor they’re working to undo the emission injustice.
I wouldn't count on it.
Hey Tony, I think in a previous video you mentioned reinstalling the tube that held the trap rather leaving the whole piece out. Is this still the case? Thanks for what you do!
Yes sir it's the very next video. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
Hey Tony! Great video. Curious about something. Is there any downside to removing that hydrocarbon trap piece? short or long term? Also, what's the effect on mileage? Any significant difference either way? Thanks.
Hey thank you! I did data logging and there were no issues & yes the MPG went up. Not sure how that thing was saving the planet when I was burning more gas. ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
I have an idea on saving the planet!-Send the buffoon running our beloved nation to outer space!😈😈😈
can you show the detail to remove the trap??
Once you have something lodged in those 3 tabs to push them up (Allen wrench's work well) you push the insert out from throttle body side. Remove the trap and reinsert the tube style insert till it clicks into place, done. Put it all back together.
Put it back in 😉
"I had to put it back in..." 😉
Watch the second video. :)
Would this void the warranty?
Not at all. You can pop it back in at anytime. Just make sure you watch the second video as I was learning as I went along. This essentially makes the car a 2021. It a blockage to trap HC particles on shut down.
What purpose does that part serve?
It traps some of the hydrocarbons that at released through the throttle body at shut down. It also makes the the engine less efficient and therefore reduces MPG and therefore increases Hydrocarbons through the tailpipe. Especially affecting someone like me who takes several long trips a year.
Greencastle don’t have emissions
You should be a good shape. I have a 22 GT stopping by tomorrow so we can find the where Ford installed the HC trap on that intake & a video will follow shortly.
I live in florida now and all my vehicles getting registered in florida. I moved from ny to maryland back to Florida.
Picked up a 2023...seems like that tube is glued in now as I lifted the three tabs, but the tube does not budge at all, much less slide out.
You have to push on the filter from the back (throttle body side) I can't think Ford would have added glue. Plus I have other 2023 Subscribers have have done this successfully. I have had people pop allen wrenches under the tabs and push from filter side. It helps if you have a helper. Best of luck
@@TonysFordsandMustangs thanks for the encouragement. Will try again!
@@kbstuff19 You can get it!
Washington has no emissions testing!!!
Enjoy the return of your HP!
Hello Tony, greetings from Spain, I have recently acquired a mach1 and I have watched your videos, I am going to remove the carbon filter, it is safe for the engine and also add the airaid filter
Thanks for watching. Unless you picked up an U.S. export car you most likely do not have and HC Trap on your vehicle. Euro spec cars have a different set up. You can learn more about that here: ua-cam.com/video/NpoERP9zcu0/v-deo.html The Airaid filter would be a nice and easy add to your car that would bump HP slightly. It would be safe as it's the same filter that Ford Motor Sports sells.
Is made in EEUU but for Europe, not export car, so I think u have the reason, one more question Tony, Airaid is better than K&N filter? thank u for your answer, very fast!! great greetings from spain
@@TonysFordsandMustangs
@@franmolina8257 I went with the Airaid because it's a dry filter. K&N's are an oil bath (style filter) They require service that includes a cleaning and prep kit. That is additional cost and time that isn't required for the Airaid. I also think the Airaid is a better filter in terms of filtering than a K&N as it's a bit more restrictive.
ok! thank u so much again!! @@TonysFordsandMustangs
Did removing the hydrocarbon trap cause the check engine light to come on?
Jamie this should provide the answers to all your questions, ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
IF you are going to do this watching the second video in the series as well. I was learning as I went along. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thanks
This is great information. I also wondered why the 2022 Gen 3 Coyote would all of a sudden be down 10 HP from the 2018-2021. Lucky for me, I have a 2019 GTCS with the Ford Performance Power Pack with that same intake as the Bullet and Mach 1, but I don't have that part. So no worries about emissions. Plus, I live in WV, we don't care about those! LOL!
I would so leave that shit out.
Thanks for watching & there are other video's on this topic on my channel. ;)
Why in the world would anyone buy an automatic Mustang Mach 1 when it's got that amazing Tremec 6-speed manual.
If you're going to get an automatic just get yourself a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord and call it a day.
Speaking as one who lost to A10 after getting the jump and not yet shifting out of first gear I get it. It's not me but I get it. That and and some people drive in areas that cause you to have to shift 30 times per mile so I understand that as well. It's you know, rough on the knee after a 20 mile drive.
Ima take dat air restriction out of minds to. The game changer was dat resonator delete.
No. Leave your flute, just take out the filter. Otherwise you'll mess some shit up.
I made a second video the following day discussing exactly that. This video is almost two year old now. I was one of the first people to figure out HC traps limitations however I was learning as I went along and you can'[t edit a video once it uploaded to youtube so I had to make a follow up.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I can do this on a stock tune for my Mach 1, right?
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I sent you a DM on Insta
@@TheWhiteCometOfZion Sure. Just watch the other videos in the series. Here's a playlist that should narrow it down for you. ua-cam.com/video/N01zLqB2r1I/v-deo.html
Thanks bud. I just performed the mod on my 22 Mach HP
FYI I don't know if doing this will cause the car to need a recalibration or not so keep us posted. I did the one pull and got the answers I was looking for.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I read that in your description. I went on a drive and I can feel a noticeable difference in power and sound for sure. Way better. I’m not really worried about the tune. Feels great. I might do a pro charger eventually. You can see my Mach on my page if you like. Thanks for the free HP
@@daviduline8700 You are welcome and thanks for watching!
Update posting shortly that should square you away.
Awesome video. All the states mentioned are you know what. Texas here and I’m removing mine. Wish I could delete my 6.7. All B.S on this emissions junk.
Make sure you watch the second part. I was learning as I went along. Also I did some data logging and that's a thrid video. Thanks for watching!
Hmm…wondering on the Dark Horse HP🤔
That’s a whopping 500HP on stock engine!😈😈😈
They dual throttle bodies. Can't wait to see one.
I have a “22 Mach 1 and I live in Florida , love the video but my only complaint is you didn’t show what the carbon trap looks like , you basic took it apart and said do this and it falls out , but what exactly falls out or what does it look like , I saw the screen that was still in the chamber but again what exactly am I removing , I would really appreciate the help
Pull the lid, disconnect the mass airflow sensor, remove mass airflow sensor, pull the intake tube from the throttle body to the lid, once the tube is out of the you need to lift the three tabs from the section that leads into the airbox with something (I used screwdrivers) while pushing on the trap from the opposite side (throttle body side) and the tube insert pops out. The trap is easy to remove from there it held in place by 3 small tabs. re-install tube insert, mass airflow sensor, tube back into the car and then the lid, connect mass airflow sensor. I show the HC trap in the next video ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
Thanks and i tried this but i found that down the road the engine light kept coming on???
Did you watch the second part?
@@TonysFordsandMustangs
I didn’t realize there was a part two.
@@neilafromsky113 That's might be the issue. You need to put the sleeve back in minus the HC trap. I posted two days later and have a card for it at the end of the video. ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
Ok thanks
does it need to be tuned if removed?
Check out my other videos on topic including a 2,500 miles test with data logging before you decide to do this.
thanks! @@TonysFordsandMustangs
Informative video. Unfortunately the ending ruined it all for me.
So Alex is in the wrong just because he was sent a link that Ford, out of everyone, put out?
Then he is accused of not doing research even though this was something the manufacturer put out? 😂
What’s wrong with people..
I watched Alex's stream after I heard from several of his viewers who stated I was dead wrong about this and I didn't know what I was talking about. When you spend the time and do the research that can piss you off. Ford put the wrong information out there. I get that. Alex decided to roll with it with out checking out anything. He stated "There you have it, we are back to the 1970's". As far as I know he has never circled back to correct this error. Nobodies perfect but If you state something as fact for your audience and you find out later that you were quoting an error you should retract it. A guy who has been around the car community as long as he has he should have known that compression drop like that would have netted a much larger drop in than just 10 HP.
That’s the thing though, the research is in the fact that FoMoCo was the one who said this, so the research is there. I get it can be frustrating to hear something negative, in this case what the article said, but at the same time Alex’s livestream was to discuss the topic of what was presented by Ford. If anything the blame at the end should of went to Ford and not to Alex for discussing something that Ford put out.
@@trackdriven350 There are/were multiple Ford websites that have the correct information on the 2022's and only one that was incorrect. Had he choose to look into it for a couple of minutes he could have found conflicting data rather quickly throwing that website in question. He didn't do that and he now has people believing that 22's & 23's 5.0's are down on compression. I have seen multiple posts on social media and in forums from these people and trust me they believe it to be a fact only because Alex said it and it was on one Ford website. I don't argue with them because it's pointless. If he wants to have misinformed subscribers so be it. I can't understand how you can fault me for stating that the information he relayed was wrong (immediately after it happened) and that he should have looking into this prior to saying it was fact. At the minimum he should tell his audience that Ford's website was wrong and that the new 5.0's are not down on compression. I don't watch enough of his videos to know if that has happened yet but I have yet to see it the comments section.
Yes sir, I understand. What I’m getting to is how you said it on the video. If the miss information was put out by Ford why not just blame them for the miss information?It makes it sound as if he is the one who came up with this but all along he was just going over whatever Ford released to the public. I am sure he will go over the topic again sooner or later but it just hasn’t come up ever since, there’s been other topics discussed.
But like I said I understand you, it’s just how things are said is all.
@@trackdriven350 He's the one that brought attention to it. There are very few people drilling down that far into Ford's website. This isn't the first time the marketing department at Ford has had bad info on their website. Alex knows that as well. I think he was having fun with it but unfortunately a lot of his viewers took it as fact. Everybody runs their own show and I don't think I outright bashed him for this. I mentioned it and pointed out it was wrong because I grew tired of the comments section filling up with his fans telling me I didn't know what I was talked about. Their only proof was that link and that Alex said it. I could post the owners manual and several other sources form Ford as proof that the compression hadn't changed to no avail. Thank you for understanding and perhaps I could have worded it better.
That’s crazy. Ford claims a 10 hp decrease. However, an 18 whp loss is more like 30-40 hp at the crank.
You saw what I did and that's all that I did. Same day, same dyno. These engines like to breath. FYI my MPG are up slightly as well. Thanks for watching!
Great video! Alex Flores really isn't that nice of a guy LOL, but maybe that's just part of his "brand"
I don't want to to talk about another person and he was just speaking to Ford's website (their bad) but it's bad info.
Hey Tony, thanks for the video, very informative. Just wondering if removing this affect smog? I know it won’t be until 8 more years but I would like to throw the trap in the trash if it doesn’t affect smog. Thank you in advance
I do not have to go through emissions testing where I live so I can't say but from what I understand the device is there to capture any gases that may escape through the intake after you shut the car down. That said it's best not to toss any OEM car part. Original emission equipment for a 1970 Boss 302 brings big money. Also government regulations change all the time so you maybe required to have it in at some point in the future.
Super video - good info 👍. Does anyone know if this is also the way they EU models are lowered in hp compared to the US (Bullitt down from 480 to 460 hp)?
I have yet to see and EU car. From what I understand there are exhaust restrictions on the EU cars. You certainly can check and see if it there or not.
My state is not one of those states… now Tony, would you run the Mach without the carbon trap on a “every day” drive? Or just track day?
I'm in the same boat and my HC trap is sitting on shelf. Make sure you watch the other two videos before diving in., I was learning as I went and there is one thing you need to do that wasn't covered in this video.
What do you think about removing the circular plates in the grill and cutting a hole in the hood insulation above the CAI to let in more cool air? I thought the hood scoops were functional but there is no hole in the insulation above the air filter?
Ford has a duct that runs just behind the grill plate directly to the airbox. You will find it when you look. I thought about removing that plate but it's there to keep large objects such as leaves, big bugs etc. from clogging up the filter. I pull and blow out the filter every 1000 miles or so. They collect a lot of junk. The vents in the hood are heat extractors and they are functional. They pull the hot air out of the engine compartment instead of ducting cold air in. I don't think you will see much of a gain if any by pulling the drivers side plate and I wouldn't cut your insulation as you will ruin the seal to the hood and pull hot air from the engine in which would lower HP.
this is exactly the answer and solution i was looking for! thank you. not much info out there about the 10 ponies that got lost in 2022
Thanks for watching Luke! Make sure you watch the follow up videos as there is some important information after data logging that you need to know prior making this happening.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I will be sure to look at those. So I just got home and tore into this. My intake setup doesn’t match what is shown in your video. Brand new 2022 mustang gt. There is a rectangular “pre” filter (about 3”x8”) I’m going to call it that may be serving the same purpose. What are your thoughts?
@@lukepartin1487 got you & your GT covered. 🙂 ua-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/v-deo.html Maybe check out the entire series it took me some time and research to figure this thing out.
@@lukepartin1487 watch that and get back to me as there is a bit more you can do. The GT I checked out wasn't my car so I wasn't going to break out the cordless drill. If it was I would.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I didn't think about the Mach1 and GT intake being different. I ended up removing the carbon filter, drilling the plastic rivets and removing the mesh. There is also a similar insert tube like you show on your car in the MAF tube area i removed as well. The butt-dyno says theres an improvement.
Any recalibration or tune needed after removing this? Thank you and sorry if this has already been answered.
No what so ever the O2's are wideband and the ECU adjusts quickly. Thanks for watching & make sure you watch the follow up videos as I was learning as I went along. Those should answer any of your other questions.
Sure you put it back in....*wink, wink*
I've heard that there's a second air filter in the stock 2022 air box that needs to be removed to get your 10 HP back
Thanks for watching & It's not really an air filter. There are two different Hydro Carbon traps. One in the open airbox cars (Mach 1) and one in the closed airbox GT's. I do have video on both. You can find them on my channel.
Great video and very informative for 5.0 owners....wonder if the 5.2 Voodoo has one that can be removed....??
Not that I know of. This was a 2022 add only.
Thanks for the video. What month/year was that mustang built? I only ask because my 22 gt was built october 22; i looked for and didnt find that part in the intake. I did find an additional carbon filter mounted in the engine air filter box above the filter, meaning that air passes through the main engine air filter then through this smaller carbon filter. Its mounted in a way so that you wouldnt see it if your were just replacing the main air filter. I took it out but left the empty plastic bracket. Looks like a smaller version of an in cabin filter, but i dont want it.
Your GT has the closed box setup and I did make a video about those cars after I was able to see one in person. That grid can be removed relatively easily as well. It took me a while to figure this out and I think I was the first person to get it on UA-cam. Now every other person with a channel has made a video about it. :) Thanks for watching! ua-cam.com/video/ZcDJWxclSyo/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thanks for the link! Thats exactly what mine had. I considered pulling the bracket but may just install a lid from a 21 like you said.
Me living in Florida with no stupid emissions stuff or front license plate😎
I don't have the front plate so there's that I guess.
TONY... is also in the Mustang Bullitt 2019 ?
no sir 2022 only.
Do you know if its a similar process to remove this on a GT not a MACH 1?
Mike I can't tell you as I don't have a GT but, since both cars have a Coyote, and both cars dropped 10 HP, and Ford stated this was why with both cars I would be willing to bet the HC trap is right behind your Mass Airflow Sensor. Be careful before you rip and run. I did not recalibrate anything and that was something else Ford said they did here most likely because of reduced airflow.
I really hope you didn't put that thing back lol if you did bless ya Lil heart lol
Thank you!
All i did was leave the piece with the holes in the tube, but discarded the goofy charcoal filter and the bracket that holds in place. then added a Airaid Junior elbow, a Green Filter. Night and Day difference on a test drive. no cels, car sounds good at all speeds! yes, it s 2022 GT.CS 10 speed
I'm going to be looking a 2022 GT shortly. It's a different airbox. There should be a video out in the next couple of weeks.
i also used the Airaid Junior for a 2015 thru 2017. the rubber coupling just needs a hair dryer for a minute or 2 and then it slips right on. then went to the auto parts store and bought some rubber caps to seal the holes on the tube. easy peasy!
Our AUSTRALIAN 2021 Mach 1’s come 20 hp down on the US version from the Plant. Might just check if we received these restrictions brand new.
I can't speak to the export cars as I haven't seen one up close. Let me know what you find.
A lot of that is to do with the restriction in the headers from LHD to RHD
Literally did this at the track 2 weeks ago - and picked up 12 hundredths. I just returned my 2019 GT back to stock, and wonder if there is any benefit to the JLT cold air over the stock.
That's good result and I don't think there's much of a benefit to a JLT over stock minus the HC Trap. At least not enough to justify the cost.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs kind of what I was thinking. At least I already have the JLT. I'm waiting to see if Lund can tune the 22's on the NGauge before I do anything.
Tony, awesome video. Just curious you said it’s actually 18hp at the end. Did I miss something. I thought it was 10hp?
It was said by Ford that the 22 Mustang both Mach 1 & GT lost 10 crank HP. My results netted 18 at the wheel. You can be the judge. Same car, same day, same dyno.
Hey Tony, thanks for the information and giving up your time and money to make this video. What's next for your Mach 1?
Thanks for watching. I have curiosity issues. I get a question in my head and I have to find out why sometimes. I'm not sure what's next for the car at this time. I have a couple of track days this month and winter is right around the corner so anything substantial won't happen till I get bored. Hopefully there's a cold air intake that's legal in the near future ;)
Own a GT500. The horsepower wasn’t lowered in the GT500 👍
I am aware. Not sure why the GT500 got a pass on the HC Trap. It might have just sucked it through the supercharger and spit it out the other side? Those cars are beasts.
Love the car....move south! 🙂
Thanks and you never know...
@Tony’s Fords and Mustangs how do you think the Mach1 would do with tall larger guys? I’m 6’3” and 325lbs. I’m in the market and I’m trying to decide on cars vs trucks etc. I’ve been a Jeep guy the last 12 years. Ready to try something new. I have always wanted a mustang but I’m looking at everything from ‘ Estes to Challengers
@@scott7695 I would tell you the Recaro seat won't work for you. The best thing is for you to drive a Mustang. I have some larger friend that fit just fine but other that find them too tight a fit. I can't argue with a Challenger. The SRT cars do everything well just nothing great. They are quick, have decent handling, get decent mileage and are comfortable to drive, and have plenty of space both in the passenger compartment and in the trunk. From the factory the SRT's don't lead at any of those things. The Hellcats are very fast IF you can get them to hook up. They are also great at burnouts if that's your thing. They can be made to handle well but it's a long road to get there. I can say I have never been a Jeep person as I don't go off road often. Best of luck and let me know which way you go.
how do you remove the rev limiter on a 2022 5.0?
It's done through a tuner. It's electronically set in the ECU.
Any idea if the 2024 cars have this carbon trap? I noticed they rated them at 480 horse but the toque peak is still down compared to what the 2021 5.0 was rated at.
I won't know until I see one but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did. It's not something Ford really advertises. I had to dig to figure out on my 2022.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Well thank you for doing the leg work. I didn't see this info anywhere else on the web. The Mach 1 is on my short list of cars I'm looking at and I was really disappointed that Ford took away horsepower and tq, it's a big relief seeing how easy it is to get the power back and thankfully its not tune related like Ford said it was. Also it's great that you showed the dyno and proved that it is a noticeable difference.
@@ToneNYC718 Thank you sir.
Curious, Tony. So what does the hydrocarbon trap actually do, please? I'm not sure, but is it possible that Ford decreased the power of the 2022's to increase the reliability of the engine? I don't know. I heard that they did it for 'emissions.'
It was put in place to reduce the Hydro carbon emissions of the car oh so very slightly to meet California Emissions.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Oh. Good. I'm in Arizona and am very grateful that I'm not in California. Thanks, Tony! Nice video.
@@picodegallo1959 Thanks for watching!
Thanks for sharing. At least I know it's a simply fix to get 10 HP back.
Glad to help and thanks for watching!
make sure you watch part 2. There's something u need to do to make everything ok with the ECU.
where did you get the track attack tee? Any way i can get one.
You have to attend the school. There might be one on eBay you never know.
Air/fuel mixture based on throttle body size,not sleeve for carbon trap.
Do what you will however if that sleeve is not put back in the fuel mixture will be off and the car will run rich and I didn't change the throttle body so...
@@TonysFordsandMustangs not to be argumentative,but that sleeve does not run the entire length of the intake and opens up after. According to FP, not an issue. Just as as a side effect when the sleeve is in there is less turbulence in the intake.
@@dennishilligoss7386 No it does not the entire length at all. I can tell you I had very different fuel trim numbers with it in and with it out. I do not know who you are referring to when you mention FP.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Ford Performance.
@@dennishilligoss7386 Why would Ford Performance take an official stance on removing a factory emissions control device? That seems very odd to me. Can you send me a link?
Thanks for your research on the 2022 horsepower! BTW, did you put an MGW shifter in your 22 like you had in your 21 mach 1?
Thanks and I have not yet installed a MGW shifter. It's better, but not extremely better than the OEM shifter. The have been other things I have been working on such as the power from the engine. Just invest $60 today that I think netted a few more. Stay tuned :)
so there was no ecu change just something with the intake?
Mustangs use wide band O2 sensors so no but, I HIGHLY suggest you watch the following 2 videos before attempting. I had to learn as I went.
ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/77PhbMOKa8Q/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs got it. I know the maf is built to be responsive so it’s good to know there is a difference without the filter.
@@AlmightyCman I have had 100's of subscribers repeat the process and so far everyone can notice and is happy they watched the videos.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs i did remove the carbon trap and have definitely seen an increase in throttle response no doubt. does the tube that hold the trap also restrict the airflow? should i take that out as well?
Thanks
@@AlmightyCman That tube needs to be back in the car. Check the next couple of videos in the series. I was learning as I went along.
Going to do this to mine. No recalibration required?
I can't speak to that. Ford did some recalibration to close it down so I wouldn't be surprised if opening it up would require some as well.
There is an update posting shortly that should answer this question for you.
Hello and congratulations for the channel, I did not understand if the piece should just be removed or replaced.
I made quite a few videos' on the topic. Perhaps part 2 would answer your question ? ua-cam.com/video/bV05ABKP2uc/v-deo.html
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Is yours manual or automatic?
@@xx0crix0xx It's a manual