Probably the best track-oriented review on the Mach 1 done so far, especially given that most viewers are intensely keen to understand the GT/Mach 1 differences. Like your MX-5 GT RS review, highly informative for the prospective purchaser. Thanks mate, I had as much fun watching it as you did making it!
Too late to the party. Chevy has been putting TREMEC into even a 4 cylinder camaro. I owned a mustang and never will. Ford should have dropped the mt82 long time ago. They are cheap as hell.
@@al151 hate that otherwise would’ve gotten the 6 speed but got the 10 speed was about to get an lt1 camaro in a 6 speed but didn’t like the visibility
He has it set to 6k in the GT for his shift alerts. I'm not entirely sure why... Especially when he says it's "lazy" in the top end. Well yeah, when you're shifting 1400 RPMS below the redline, it's gonna feel lazy. :P
@@ghaleon128 i said the same thing. I have a 2020 10 speed gt and would smoke both cars. They redline at 7300 but hes got it set 1k lower for the gt lol. Shows how biased they are.
@@TushPoint0 What do you mean why? Obviously to see how much of a difference the MagneRide makes. And yes I know it would still lose but it would just be interesting to see how much it closes the gap.
@@TushPoint0 Not always true. They would be so much closer that it would depend on the drivers. The thing is that by the time you spend all that extra money adding stuff to the GT, you would be better off just getting the Mach 1.
I have a 2020 Gt with Magnaride, handles amazingly. You can’t compare the GT and Mach 1 around the track with completely different suspensions between the two cars.
@@thullraven1 I have a PP! With Magneride and I think the one major area the Mach 1 tops the pp1 is cooling. The pp1 is lacking cooling for the transmission severely. The A10 heats up really quickly. Besides that this guy is short shifting lol.
You had an extra 1000+ rpm left in the standard GT in the hotlap, and you were revving it out all the way in the Mach 1. Why though? The Coyote is very peaky, let her scream!
Agree. Also, I noticed he shifted early in the Mach 1 and then immediately downshifted a few times when he could have ran the lower gear out a bit more and skipped the extra up/downshift.
He mentioned that the GT felt as though it was falling on its face a little higher up in the rev range. I’m guessing it was happier short shifting and using more torque than revs.
Thanks for that, and interesting point. I was just shifting where it felt natural, surprised it was that low, but I don't think it was an advantage to rev it out much more.
I was going to ask the same question.. Sometimes I get a little suspicious in that they, Ford, wouldn't want the standard car showing up the supposedly track focused car that costs 20k more! Seems to leave a lot of rpm left on the table..
Cool channel, new sub. Love the overhead view and dashboard on lap times. Great job. Plus I’m a huge mustang fan! I have a 12’ GT, think I’ll stick with it a while and save my $$!
Feedback: Any chance of doing a lap in the Mustang GT 10 Spd auto? It’s the more common Mustang and Ford reckons is quicker around a track than manual. Be interesting to find out. Great video and thanks.
Great comparison. It would be interesting to try it with Magneride on a GT though just to see how that would close the gap, Either way on the road it would be near impossible to separate them anyway, so unless you intend to go on a track it's not worth paying the extra unless you really want the more garish looks of the Mach 1. Just get a GT and add Magneride.
Ok everyone all you have to do is go out and find a 2018-2020 Mustang GT with the Performance Package 1 or 2 and they still had the 460 HP 5.0 V8 and 420lb-ft of torque before Ford detuned the GT engine around 2021 to market the Mach 1 as the better car for $20,000 more.
Let's correct the mistakes. 1. A Mustang is not a Muscle Car. 2. The GT should have had Magneride. 2. The GT PP1 and the Mach1 have the same Torsen LSD. 3. Quit complaining about the seats, you're a dwarf. 4. The brakes are exactly the same. 5. The Mach 1 is more stable due to rear IRS cradle stiffening, easily fixable with Steeda components, and Ford's Magneride handling pack. And again, the GT should have been spec'd with the Magneride. Also, that's the shit Mach 1. The good one has even more aggressive suspension, wheels and tires. That's the one that should have been tested here.
This was fantastic! Two manual, NA V8s go head to head just doesn't get better than this. I wish Ford offered the better built/shifting Tremec on the GT.
Then they would lose a big segment of their gt350/gt500/shelby buyers, and eventually the market would phase out those vehicles because they wouldn't make much profit
So why did you set the shiftlight at 1000RPM too low on the GT? Bad fuel for the day making the engine not fire properly at peak power RPM? Same engine as Mach 1, literally. Differs in intake which is indifferable in terms of peak power point (Yes it might grant 5-10 hp but the peak is at the same RPM, 7200.) Hard to compare two cars with the same engine when you've crippled one of the engines by shortshifting every gear, every time. :/
Let's not forget the addiotinal oil cooler, transmission cooler, differential cooler and air to brakes duct, that will help with endurance. GT goes into limp mode after 2-3 laps. More reliable transmission has a cost of its own. Supercharger won't help you much in technical curcuits with short straights either. Weird price difference you got there, the difference between GT PP1 with Magneride and active exhaust is 3.5k USD (5k AUD) in the USA. And here in Europe I payed 14k USD (19k AUD) more for the Mach 1 over GT PP1 (without a hesitation I might add) :)
@@dominikmervart there was another one called performance pack level 2 but only in north america not to be sold outside north america but you can import the parts
For 20k i dont see the benefit when you could put a decent set of coils on for under 3k, a supercharger for under 8k, and choose the 10r80. All of which would cost you less, still retain your warranty, and smoke that mach 1.
@@thedon9670 kits have gone up in price a bit but you can buy a nice whipple 3.0 KIT for just $9500 and theres cheaper options. If your an ASE certified mechanic you can do it yourself. If you have a dealer do it then yes you have to add on labor charges. It'll run you about 6-8k in labor
Soon as you said the GT did not have Magna ride, you botched the test for me. Most of that track difference was just the magna drive. No way you can feel any engine gains and same to Trans. Mach 1 is a cash grab...thanks you tried to sale it..
Wasn't letting the GT rev all the way. The shift indicator was set to 6k, maybe a recommendation from the owner? But def caused the GT to be a little slower with premature shifts. Great review tho, fantastic to see these head to head. I have a 2021 GT performance pack with magneride, always curious to see if the Mach1 would be worth it.
I have a GT FN Manual. My last 2 cars have been F80 M3s, one normal, one competition. Domestic circumstances forced a change to something less than 1/2 the price. As a semi daily and weekend car, the FN GT has impressed me hugely. Its fun to drive, sounds great and the build quality is better than I thought it would be. I think its hard to beat bang for your buck. Let's face it, time to be able to buy a new 5.0 V8 Muscle car is running out. I have a new manual GT on order.
There is a lot of people commented from the US. FYI this is an Australian video. We dont have the pleasure/ nor the luxury of parts for these cars. Everything is imported. The 20k upgraded MACH1 is in Australian Dollars (14K US) There is 3 variants in this country GT Bullet and a handful of MACH only 700 will be brought to this country. They have landed and no more are coming. FYI, for us to import the added parts for a standard GT, it would probably cost well over double and then we will need have the parts installed. we need to consider the following. Lead-time, Delivery charge import tax/Duty and then the horrible exchange rate. Then we need to pay someone to install them! This is not the US and the rules/regulations are completely different here. So yes this is an exceptional car for what we get here & its approved by the local roads authority/state government to be allowed on our roads.
I have a 2021 Mach 1 here in the US and just completed my first track day. Actually my review is uploading to my UA-cam channel as we speak! I also do not have the handling package (a $3500USD upgrade) but it would have been cool in this video to see the difference between the Mustang GT and Mach 1 with the handling package. I can say from first hand experience this car is a ton of fun on the track. I was surprised by how well the traction management system kept everything in line even in Track Mode.
You really did the car a disservice by short-shifting. Unless there is a fundamental difference in the map the AUS spec car is running compared to the US Spec car, you should be winding it all the way to the redline. I've owned an '18 and '20 (US Spec) and can 100% confirm, these cars want to rev.
Super crazy how he complains the gt has a lower top end but he shifts at 6k rpm and in the mach 1 he shifts at 7200 rpm when both cars redline at the same rpm. Wonder why the results would be slightly off haha. What a joke. I got a 2020 gt 10 speed with all the options and it would ruin both of those cars without breaking a sweat. Shows how biased these videos are.
As a GT owner - I would like to know how 'standard' was the GT . Was the diff ratio 3.15 or 3.55? Did it have Brembo brakes, 18' or 19' tyres with 255 and 275 Michelin tyres etc? Very impressed with the GT performance, unless you are into thrashing your car on a track I would stick with a GT with a performance pack one for the sake of 1 second difference!!
I didnt see the performance wing, or oil/vaccum gauges so I dont think that GT had the performance package. Woiuld also explain the gearing and the LSD concerns.
@@TheSketch27 its an Australian market car, so comes with the PP2 but with some differences to the US market cars, such as no gauges and only the 3.55 diff.
@@f4r20 as I said it is an Australian delivered PP2. Which is probably more of a PP1.5, as we did miss out on a bunch of stuff. The later models probably more noticeable. I have a 2016 delivered GT and they were definitely marketed as PP2. Unfortunately by the time they actually arrived here they were missing a few things. The most noticeable being the torsen diff (we got the 3.55 standard rear instead) and no extra gauges.
Interesting comparison, both cars would be desirable for me. Good to hear they surprised you with their performance considering they are big cars and cover a broad range of driving styles. Another great review 👍😎
I saw that to. He had the rev counter on the get set at 6k and the Mach 1 at 7.1k. He was short shifting the hell out of the GT. Really believe that a GT PP1 revved out to redline would have matched the Mach1 in this track test.
I have a 2020 Mustang GT and the comment about the lack of top end power makes no sense. Peak HP comes at 7,000rpm and the power builds progressively to the peak. I see the reviewer is repeatedly shifting at 6k. Can’t complain about lack of top end….when you don’t rev to the top end.
both are my favorite car for me i do love the mach 1 especially the colour jet fighter grey and orange for gt is my third favourite especially in ruby red and orange fury my second favorite car is the mach 1 my most favourite in this car going to last year's r-spec that one r-spec the most my favourite car
money well spent!! if you can get one!! great review and the MACH1 is worth every penny! i think its worth adding how rare it is to find one? having a limited car 1 of 700 is pretty cool.
Really love these track reviews that’s what got me to subscribe. Keep them up especially the comparisons that go on at the pub that can be settled on the track. Excellent driver reviews a real asset to the channel …. more please.
@@davothegreat9990 is your name Chris or Atko?... noone asked you to comment at all... u had a choice but the strange feeling inside you drove you comment on a conversion btwn myself and a pro racer that offers valid information for me not you. So Dave for the love of humanity act like a grown man not a child in kinder. This convo is betwn Atko myself those that aren't interested did not comment.
It is probably possible to get more power on the engine of Mach 1 as well, so then it will manage 1 second faster around this track for half the price of that Mercis. But of course a bit of the extra price is due to the fact that there is a slightly more luxurious interior in the Mercis, But I do not think it's worth paying double the price for that reason.
Great test👍 my son bought a GT, with mageride/Recaro. We’re not happy with the diff so we’re going with Trutrac soon. I guess this is a sore point for Mach1 buyers as it’s the diff it should of come with standard- bugger the Aussie fuel test that meant it got the GT LSD diff! Thanks
can i just point out Chris that you had the shift point set to 6k in the GT but 7k in the Mach 1.. this might explain the difference in the top end rpm you was explaining. also on your onboard lap you didnt ever once rev the GT past 6,4k rpm it doesnt make peak power until 7k
It's too bad that you people over there, don't get the special Mach 1 handling package with the bigger wheels and tires and other goodies. I hear that they help a lot on lap times. I enjoyed the video and your part in it.
You're testing the base models?!?!? Literally the GT PP2 exists... And the HANDLING PACKAGE on the Mach1 🙃 And yeah... literally... you're shifting at 6k when the redline is 7.5k whilst complaining "there's no top end" ...my guy... you never left the mid range Don't get me wrong this would be a FANTASTIC video... if you had done it right
you had more petrol in the GT where there was about 200 ks different which could account for more weight, which might make a significant difference in the 1 second time.
I don’t know how little Chris is, but I think normal sized people like Scott Collie and myself would find the Recaro’s the right size 😂. Awesome video as always
Great video and twin test idea. I'd like to see something like a 'half price heroes' and have, for example, Mustang v gr86 (when it arrives). Or Tesla model 3 v Nissan Leaf - for massive lols
So if you wanted more brighter instruments then why didn’t you just adjust them up? As for the seats,,,those are the comfort ones with power adjustments, heat and cooling. More sport oriented manual Recaro’s are available but without the heat and cooling If you were going to do a comprehensive comparison you should have gone through the options list of both of Mustangs, which is very important since there are so much available IE handling packages, numerous tires/wheels, aero packs, rear gear ratios, brakes, magnetic suspension, etc.
Save money and get a faster all around camaro ss 1le. If you are really willing to spend 60 grand on a mach1, might as well get a zl1 or C8 corvette. The performance of the mach1 and its price is I can’t really justify purchasing one. Maybe a collector car in the future 🤔
Considering all the suspension bits from the GT 350 and GT 500 the Mach 1 benefits from, it’s no wonder it is faster and better handling. Would be even faster with the10 speed auto.
Why rev the GT only to 6000, while the Mach 1 you rev all the way to 7400. That is 1400 rpms not being utilized, and all the power is on the top, so I dont believe the lap times are pure :(
All that nitpicking about the GT is bullshit. You won't notice half that in real life. Both are great cars. The Mach 1 is actually overpriced really. But if it sells kudos to Ford.
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Probably the best track-oriented review on the Mach 1 done so far, especially given that most viewers are intensely keen to understand the GT/Mach 1 differences. Like your MX-5 GT RS review, highly informative for the prospective purchaser. Thanks mate, I had as much fun watching it as you did making it!
yep just went around in one, my mate has one, we went for 30 laps and we just drove home after it!! what a car!
The reason why the top end was lazy is because you had 1000rpm left lol
the 6-speed TREMEC alone is worth me getting the Mach 1 Premium (with the Elite & Handling package of course)
Too late to the party. Chevy has been putting TREMEC into even a 4 cylinder camaro. I owned a mustang and never will. Ford should have dropped the mt82 long time ago. They are cheap as hell.
@@al151 hate that otherwise would’ve gotten the 6 speed but got the 10 speed was about to get an lt1 camaro in a 6 speed but didn’t like the visibility
@@al151 LOL,,,not the same trans by far.
You can now order Dark Horse. That comes with Tremec.
Man your shift points need some serious work in both cars.
He does seem to be shifting a little early
He has it set to 6k in the GT for his shift alerts. I'm not entirely sure why... Especially when he says it's "lazy" in the top end. Well yeah, when you're shifting 1400 RPMS below the redline, it's gonna feel lazy. :P
@@ghaleon128 i said the same thing. I have a 2020 10 speed gt and would smoke both cars. They redline at 7300 but hes got it set 1k lower for the gt lol. Shows how biased they are.
I’d love to see the GT with MagneRide vs the Mach 1 as a comparison
Why, it would still lose. And the HP Mach would go even faster.
@@TushPoint0 What do you mean why? Obviously to see how much of a difference the MagneRide makes. And yes I know it would still lose but it would just be interesting to see how much it closes the gap.
@@TushPoint0 Not always true. They would be so much closer that it would depend on the drivers. The thing is that by the time you spend all that extra money adding stuff to the GT, you would be better off just getting the Mach 1.
I have a 2020 Gt with Magnaride, handles amazingly. You can’t compare the GT and Mach 1 around the track with completely different suspensions between the two cars.
@@thullraven1 I have a PP! With Magneride and I think the one major area the Mach 1 tops the pp1 is cooling. The pp1 is lacking cooling for the transmission severely. The A10 heats up really quickly. Besides that this guy is short shifting lol.
You had an extra 1000+ rpm left in the standard GT in the hotlap, and you were revving it out all the way in the Mach 1. Why though? The Coyote is very peaky, let her scream!
Agree. Also, I noticed he shifted early in the Mach 1 and then immediately downshifted a few times when he could have ran the lower gear out a bit more and skipped the extra up/downshift.
Torque wins on road courses. Peaky Horsepower is not going to produce good times
@@digiam42 There is more torque if you change up at a higher rpm
motor is not broken in yet stupit look and the km 🤦🏻♂️ 6k is red line for none broke in motor
@@houstontxstreets7139 2000km is more than enough . That's well broken in.
Awesome vid guys but Im curious Why the short shifting at just over 6,000 in the GT ??
this is a short track so that's why a shifting is very short
He mentioned that the GT felt as though it was falling on its face a little higher up in the rev range. I’m guessing it was happier short shifting and using more torque than revs.
Thanks for that, and interesting point. I was just shifting where it felt natural, surprised it was that low, but I don't think it was an advantage to rev it out much more.
I was going to ask the same question.. Sometimes I get a little suspicious in that they, Ford, wouldn't want the standard car showing up the supposedly track focused car that costs 20k more! Seems to leave a lot of rpm left on the table..
@@malsmith2012 there's probably some of that in it too.
Shifted the GT too early!! Had it set at 6K yet on the Mach 1 you had the shift light set at 7200.
GT suffers gear lockout high up the rev range, due to the fragile mt82 transmission which is as strong as wet paper. The tremec is far superior.
great video, thanks mate and honestly, going with the GT. comfort [with a bit of hard corner capability] and overtaking is what wins day to day.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for that... And good decision, especially if you're not going to track it!
20k more to run 1.51 faster I'm good 20k I can do full suspension and diff upgrades and put better tires on. But over all great review
Cool channel, new sub. Love the overhead view and dashboard on lap times. Great job. Plus I’m a huge mustang fan! I have a 12’ GT, think I’ll stick with it a while and save my $$!
Feedback: Any chance of doing a lap in the Mustang GT 10 Spd auto? It’s the more common Mustang and Ford reckons is quicker around a track than manual. Be interesting to find out. Great video and thanks.
I’d buy the gt for daily driving and going to the track on the weekends
Great comparison. It would be interesting to try it with Magneride on a GT though just to see how that would close the gap, Either way on the road it would be near impossible to separate them anyway, so unless you intend to go on a track it's not worth paying the extra unless you really want the more garish looks of the Mach 1. Just get a GT and add Magneride.
Mach 1 please !!
Its the same exact engjne .. Just different intake manifolds and cold air intake
You can get that car with Performance Pack Magna Plan Suspension and Recardo seats. That is a better comparison. .
The 5.0 pulls all the way to 7200, don't know why you are shifting at 6,000.
WOW NEW Mustang laptimes....normally Ford says laptimes cant be published
Ok everyone all you have to do is go out and find a 2018-2020 Mustang GT with the Performance Package 1 or 2 and they still had the 460 HP 5.0 V8 and 420lb-ft of torque before Ford detuned the GT engine around 2021 to market the Mach 1 as the better car for $20,000 more.
Amazing review. Thanks!
wanna see march 1 vs camaro 1LE
GT almost full tank, Mach 1 almost empty... seems there is no difference in these cars. Bought a Mach 1 but now seems like a scam...
got the 6speed or the auto?
How the hell do you all power shift with your left hand?
this is an australian car channel, all the cars there are right hand drive, so everyone gets used to changing gears with the left hand.
The gt redline is not at 6500 rpm you left a bunch of power up top . And the Mach 1 wasn’t even the handling package
Let's correct the mistakes. 1. A Mustang is not a Muscle Car. 2. The GT should have had Magneride. 2. The GT PP1 and the Mach1 have the same Torsen LSD. 3. Quit complaining about the seats, you're a dwarf. 4. The brakes are exactly the same. 5. The Mach 1 is more stable due to rear IRS cradle stiffening, easily fixable with Steeda components, and Ford's Magneride handling pack. And again, the GT should have been spec'd with the Magneride.
Also, that's the shit Mach 1. The good one has even more aggressive suspension, wheels and tires. That's the one that should have been tested here.
What regulations does Australia have the drops of horsepower in both the mustang and Mach 1 from its North American counterpart?
I think it has more to do with the right hand drive, no? I think
@@f4r20Really? How? I figured there was an Australian regulation that Ford had to follow that changes the HP.
@@lexusls4305 i once heard that right hand side models had some piping restrictions making them less powerful, but it can also be a regulation thing
@@f4r20 We learned something new today! No idea RHD could be hit by lower HP
Challengers hopefully :)
Nobody’s buying a gt tryna go to the track 😭I promise most people like me domt care about the tack performance
Go the GT and then call Tickford or Herrod and see what $2Ok gets you.
"Could use a little more top-end" Only revs the GT to 6k rpm when it redlines at 7,500...
It’s pretty flat up top.
Revs to 7500
Runs out of puff at 6000...
This was fantastic! Two manual, NA V8s go head to head just doesn't get better than this. I wish Ford offered the better built/shifting Tremec on the GT.
Then they would lose a big segment of their gt350/gt500/shelby buyers, and eventually the market would phase out those vehicles because they wouldn't make much profit
Tremec GT coming in 7 days :)
Thats why I paid less for an SS 1LE and got more for me money
The Tremec upgrade is worth the upgrade on its own.
EDIT: These cars make peak power over 7000 rpm... rev them out.
He’s shortshifting so it won’t hurt those Audis laptimes🤣
So why did you set the shiftlight at 1000RPM too low on the GT? Bad fuel for the day making the engine not fire properly at peak power RPM? Same engine as Mach 1, literally. Differs in intake which is indifferable in terms of peak power point (Yes it might grant 5-10 hp but the peak is at the same RPM, 7200.) Hard to compare two cars with the same engine when you've crippled one of the engines by shortshifting every gear, every time. :/
I think I’d save the $20k, that’s a supercharger and decent set of coilovers or diff upgrade.
But could void the warranty 😳
Let's not forget the addiotinal oil cooler, transmission cooler, differential cooler and air to brakes duct, that will help with endurance. GT goes into limp mode after 2-3 laps. More reliable transmission has a cost of its own. Supercharger won't help you much in technical curcuits with short straights either. Weird price difference you got there, the difference between GT PP1 with Magneride and active exhaust is 3.5k USD (5k AUD) in the USA. And here in Europe I payed 14k USD (19k AUD) more for the Mach 1 over GT PP1 (without a hesitation I might add) :)
@@dominikmervart there was another one called performance pack level 2 but only in north america not to be sold outside north america but you can import the parts
And also worse resale value and pedigree than the Mach
@@gholla630 because performance pack level 2 is considered very rare because it makes very low number in production
Now imagine the MACH1 with the track package, will be right on top of the Mercedes.
For 20k i dont see the benefit when you could put a decent set of coils on for under 3k, a supercharger for under 8k, and choose the 10r80. All of which would cost you less, still retain your warranty, and smoke that mach 1.
My stock 2020 10 speed gt would smoke that mach 1
At least $16k for a supercharger mate. Closer to $20k
@@thedon9670 kits have gone up in price a bit but you can buy a nice whipple 3.0 KIT for just $9500 and theres cheaper options. If your an ASE certified mechanic you can do it yourself. If you have a dealer do it then yes you have to add on labor charges. It'll run you about 6-8k in labor
Soon as you said the GT did not have Magna ride, you botched the test for me. Most of that track difference was just the magna drive. No way you can feel any engine gains and same to Trans. Mach 1 is a cash grab...thanks you tried to sale it..
Wasn't letting the GT rev all the way. The shift indicator was set to 6k, maybe a recommendation from the owner? But def caused the GT to be a little slower with premature shifts. Great review tho, fantastic to see these head to head. I have a 2021 GT performance pack with magneride, always curious to see if the Mach1 would be worth it.
His shift points are super (~1000 rpm) early in the GT. I guess that's why he did say he wishes the rpm range was brighter.
Too bad you short shifted both cars. Were you scared of the redline? If you're not going to truly give them a real run why even bother?
I have a GT FN Manual. My last 2 cars have been F80 M3s, one normal, one competition. Domestic circumstances forced a change to something less than 1/2 the price. As a semi daily and weekend car, the FN GT has impressed me hugely. Its fun to drive, sounds great and the build quality is better than I thought it would be. I think its hard to beat bang for your buck. Let's face it, time to be able to buy a new 5.0 V8 Muscle car is running out. I have a new manual GT on order.
There is a lot of people commented from the US. FYI this is an Australian video. We dont have the pleasure/ nor the luxury of parts for these cars. Everything is imported. The 20k upgraded MACH1 is in Australian Dollars (14K US) There is 3 variants in this country GT Bullet and a handful of MACH only 700 will be brought to this country. They have landed and no more are coming. FYI, for us to import the added parts for a standard GT, it would probably cost well over double and then we will need have the parts installed. we need to consider the following. Lead-time, Delivery charge import tax/Duty and then the horrible exchange rate. Then we need to pay someone to install them! This is not the US and the rules/regulations are completely different here. So yes this is an exceptional car for what we get here & its approved by the local roads authority/state government to be allowed on our roads.
I have a 2021 Mach 1 here in the US and just completed my first track day. Actually my review is uploading to my UA-cam channel as we speak! I also do not have the handling package (a $3500USD upgrade) but it would have been cool in this video to see the difference between the Mustang GT and Mach 1 with the handling package.
I can say from first hand experience this car is a ton of fun on the track. I was surprised by how well the traction management system kept everything in line even in Track Mode.
You really did the car a disservice by short-shifting. Unless there is a fundamental difference in the map the AUS spec car is running compared to the US Spec car, you should be winding it all the way to the redline. I've owned an '18 and '20 (US Spec) and can 100% confirm, these cars want to rev.
Super crazy how he complains the gt has a lower top end but he shifts at 6k rpm and in the mach 1 he shifts at 7200 rpm when both cars redline at the same rpm. Wonder why the results would be slightly off haha. What a joke. I got a 2020 gt 10 speed with all the options and it would ruin both of those cars without breaking a sweat. Shows how biased these videos are.
As a GT owner - I would like to know how 'standard' was the GT . Was the diff ratio 3.15 or 3.55? Did it have Brembo brakes, 18' or 19' tyres with 255 and 275 Michelin tyres etc? Very impressed with the GT performance, unless you are into thrashing your car on a track I would stick with a GT with a performance pack one for the sake of 1 second difference!!
I didnt see the performance wing, or oil/vaccum gauges so I dont think that GT had the performance package. Woiuld also explain the gearing and the LSD concerns.
@@TheSketch27 its an Australian market car, so comes with the PP2 but with some differences to the US market cars, such as no gauges and only the 3.55 diff.
@@thehastywombat looks nothing like a pp2
@@f4r20 as I said it is an Australian delivered PP2.
Which is probably more of a PP1.5, as we did miss out on a bunch of stuff.
The later models probably more noticeable.
I have a 2016 delivered GT and they were definitely marketed as PP2. Unfortunately by the time they actually arrived here they were missing a few things.
The most noticeable being the torsen diff (we got the 3.55 standard rear instead) and no extra gauges.
@@thehastywombat it doesn’t even have the wing… I doubt it’s a PP
Interesting comparison, both cars would be desirable for me. Good to hear they surprised you with their performance considering they are big cars and cover a broad range of driving styles. Another great review 👍😎
because the mach 1 is quicker at 1.5 seconds faster than gt
Cheers mate!
Thanks Glen!
@@aimanfitri0iv bet I could spend $20,000 on a gt and flog the mach 1 though. Now what..
@@davothegreat9990 i recommend the mach 1 because very good job in the track performance compared to the gt
Why didn’t you rev the GT above 6000rpm? Does it run out of breath above that?
Not sure. The coyote motor is known for feeling like a turbo because it makes most of it's power up high. The us spec GTs rev to 7200 rpm.
I saw that to. He had the rev counter on the get set at 6k and the Mach 1 at 7.1k. He was short shifting the hell out of the GT. Really believe that a GT PP1 revved out to redline would have matched the Mach1 in this track test.
Great review. A true shame Australia doesn’t get the better LSD.
its no biggy you can buy the handling package from Mustang Motorsport.. and of course the upgraded diff!
2:00 did you really just call the top end on a coyote lazy? Then what in the world is a Chevy V8? Because a coyote gets frantic over 5,000 rpm.
I have a 2020 Mustang GT and the comment about the lack of top end power makes no sense. Peak HP comes at 7,000rpm and the power builds progressively to the peak. I see the reviewer is repeatedly shifting at 6k. Can’t complain about lack of top end….when you don’t rev to the top end.
The GT should have been optioned with Magneride suspension the lap times would have been alot closer.
both are my favorite car for me i do love the mach 1 especially the colour jet fighter grey and orange for gt is my third favourite especially in ruby red and orange fury my second favorite car is the mach 1 my most favourite in this car going to last year's r-spec that one r-spec the most my favourite car
Thanks for the excellent review. For the money, I’ll go with the GT. If money was no issue, the MAch1 for sure.
Update: I finally purchased my Mustang GT California Special with the active exhaust and I’m loving it.😊
@@fidelis3123 congrats🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Magnaride is EVERYTHING DUDE !!
For $20k I would upgrade the shocks and put a supercharger and internals on the GT and hope it doesn't tear that Coyote in half.
money well spent!! if you can get one!! great review and the MACH1 is worth every penny! i think its worth adding how rare it is to find one? having a limited car 1 of 700 is pretty cool.
I know what the problem is. The steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car.
Could watch Atko driving on track all day, this is quickly becoming the best car channel. Love the camera work/no stupid music over engine noise etc.
Really love these track reviews that’s what got me to subscribe. Keep them up especially the comparisons that go on at the pub that can be settled on the track. Excellent driver reviews a real asset to the channel ….
more please.
WTF? Why are you shifting so early on the GT? You have the shift lights configured 1000 RPM lower than you did in the Mach 1?
the gt has the Mt82, which has had known lockout problems, when shifting too high on the revs.
I wonder how it would fair against the gt350/R? In the fighter jet grey, 6 speed, and Mach 1 handling package is the spec I would get. Great review!
Mate this means you need to get the camaro on the track now? O.o
Haha! For sure.
@@chrisatkinson7431 I would also like to see you track the I30N DCT vs the focus ST auto vs latests megane r.s. EDC... all the same specs
@@afrikengunner you and you're i30n again!! Mate they aren't that good. Get over it!
You're picking cars you know it can win against.
@@davothegreat9990 is your name Chris or Atko?... noone asked you to comment at all... u had a choice but the strange feeling inside you drove you comment on a conversion btwn myself and a pro racer that offers valid information for me not you. So Dave for the love of humanity act like a grown man not a child in kinder. This convo is betwn Atko myself those that aren't interested did not comment.
@@davothegreat9990 I think it's great, it can do, as stock, 1:10 around Wakefield. That's nothing to be sneezed at!
It is probably possible to get more power on the engine of Mach 1 as well, so then it will manage 1 second faster around this track for half the price of that Mercis. But of course a bit of the extra price is due to the fact that there is a slightly more luxurious interior in the Mercis, But I do not think it's worth paying double the price for that reason.
Great test👍 my son bought a GT, with mageride/Recaro. We’re not happy with the diff so we’re going with Trutrac soon. I guess this is a sore point for Mach1 buyers as it’s the diff it should of come with standard- bugger the Aussie fuel test that meant it got the GT LSD diff! Thanks
Agreed!
Thanks for that, interesting point as well! A proper LSD, will really add to the car.
The US GT Performance Package gets the same diffy as the Mach.
can i just point out Chris that you had the shift point set to 6k in the GT but 7k in the Mach 1.. this might explain the difference in the top end rpm you was explaining. also on your onboard lap you didnt ever once rev the GT past 6,4k rpm it doesnt make peak power until 7k
It's too bad that you people over there, don't get the special Mach 1 handling package with the bigger wheels and tires and other goodies. I hear that they help a lot on lap times. I enjoyed the video and your part in it.
yea it sucks, there was only 700 Mach1's available to the Aus car market. These things are like collectors items now
Those tyres were purpose built by Mich for the FM/FN Mustang, good review thanks
You're testing the base models?!?!?
Literally the GT PP2 exists...
And the HANDLING PACKAGE on the Mach1 🙃
And yeah... literally... you're shifting at 6k when the redline is 7.5k whilst complaining "there's no top end" ...my guy... you never left the mid range
Don't get me wrong this would be a FANTASTIC video... if you had done it right
Should compare performance and handling of the Mach 1 with Australia's own RSPEC. That would be worth watching
Your GT did not have the performance pack 1 or 2 and no magna plane suspension. Also I’d like the track test with the automatic.
you had more petrol in the GT where there was about 200 ks different which could account for more weight, which might make a significant difference in the 1 second time.
Th stock GT does not have a strut tower brace.
The handling package Mach 1 would rip the standard Mach 1 a new one
you were short shifting the whole time , why ?
I don’t know how little Chris is, but I think normal sized people like Scott Collie and myself would find the Recaro’s the right size 😂. Awesome video as always
@Carexpert can we please see Atko testing the current WRX on track, want to hear his thoughts vs the sti and see how close they are on track.
Hey Steve, good idea! It would be interesting to see standard WRX vs STI.
@@chrisatkinson7431 we believe in you to make it happen mate! Even a WRX vs Golf GTI on track would be cool to see!
Great video and twin test idea.
I'd like to see something like a 'half price heroes' and have, for example, Mustang v gr86 (when it arrives).
Or Tesla model 3 v Nissan Leaf - for massive lols
Thanks for that and also for the ideas...
And some of that 20k goes to the looks as well, which is better. Is there an on road review because most people would drive it on road?
So if you wanted more brighter instruments then why didn’t you just adjust them up?
As for the seats,,,those are the comfort ones with power adjustments, heat and cooling. More sport oriented manual Recaro’s are available but without the heat and cooling
If you were going to do a comprehensive comparison you should have gone through the options list of both of Mustangs, which is very important since there are so much available IE handling packages, numerous tires/wheels, aero packs, rear gear ratios, brakes, magnetic suspension, etc.
Save money and get a faster all around camaro ss 1le. If you are really willing to spend 60 grand on a mach1, might as well get a zl1 or C8 corvette. The performance of the mach1 and its price is I can’t really justify purchasing one. Maybe a collector car in the future 🤔
Considering all the suspension bits from the GT 350 and GT 500 the Mach 1 benefits from, it’s no wonder it is faster and better handling. Would be even faster with the10 speed auto.
Why rev the GT only to 6000, while the Mach 1 you rev all the way to 7400. That is 1400 rpms not being utilized, and all the power is on the top, so I dont believe the lap times are pure :(
It's confusing. Were you really only getting up to 170 km/hr in a v8 on a racetrack? Was that mph? If only 170km/hr then wtf?
With Steeda suspension upgrades on my 2019 pp1 GT, i should be tied with a stock Mach 1
All that nitpicking about the GT is bullshit. You won't notice half that in real life. Both are great cars. The Mach 1 is actually overpriced really. But if it sells kudos to Ford.
Really curious about the details on the GT - was this a Performance Package GT? (with the strut tower brace, 6-pistons, 275/255 tires, K-Brace, etc?)
Based off the tires probably was a PP GT. I’ve got one as well and those are the exact wheels and tires it came with.
It didn't have the gauge pack in the center. Did have the michelin tires. Idk.
You can improve the handling by putting the steering wheel on the other side!!! Just kidding...Great video man!!!
Should have atleast had the performance pack mustang. Mach 1 would still have been better, but the gtpp would have closed the gap
The Australian delivered GT's all have the PP2 package - with some slight differences to the US.
Great review. A track review that actually talks about what we want to know for the track.
Rather the gt for 20k engine work suspension I’m blowing out the Mach 1 easy
I'd like to see how a 2019 GT350 compares to the Mach 1.
wtf is up with those shift points?
Best comparison ever on these 2 cars. I had the Mach 1, totaled it got a GT, still missing the Mach 1 :D
Hey Paul, could you do a review on the delayed Audi A3 with some comparison on hatch vs sedan please
Why did you not go against the pp2 that’s the comparison, not a regular gt not even close, check out pp2T lightning lap
that mustang gt doesn't have either the performance pack 1 or 2 which would bridge the gap to the mach 1 by a mile.
Did the GT have the BREMBO's or just the regular brakes? Thanks
I thought the Mach 1 didn't end up getting the different LSD because Ford Aus stuffed up?