Why World of Tanks will never truly recover...
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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We are rebalancing every tank in the game.
Not every tank should be on the same level as each other, but every tank should be at least playable, and at best, balanced. It's taking the game back to a much more even playing field than it currently is, while keeping the reasons you and me both play the tanks that we choose to. Please no suggestions that require changing tank models, such as "remove 59-Patton cupola." Even if it is a good idea, I likely will ignore it by default, as tanks weren't designed in real life to be like that.
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Funny how many people are mentioning War Thunder in the comments. Mostly because all of them are either-
1. Play War Thunder instead, it's better.
2. This is also a huge problem in War Thunder.
I've never played it, nor do I plan to. I just find it humorous how polar-opposite the comments are about it.
Played both of the games, is pathetic to compare WoT to WT.
@@playboycomun1st4 yeah, they are so different the only similarity is that they were both created around the same time, and are vehicle combat games, and that is about it.
It honestly comes with every WoT video. But I think it is justified to mention WT in this situation because of competition. WT is a very large game and is continuing to grow. It offers more mechanics, vehicles, and ways to play while also being more realistic and less RNG. Doesn't make it a better game, but when people are deciding which game to play, it honestly looks like a lot more are choosing WT over WoT.
The first group are people who only think that realistic > arcade... but ironically, War Thunder has a decent amount of arcadey features that is more realistic in WoT.
It's because dying in WT is less punishable then in WoT. In WoT you dead and leave.
In WT arcade mode, there's 3 time respawn for you to stay in a game. In realistic mode you can respawn as long as you contribute to the game and get spawn point for it.
Also in WT, getting one-shot is an universal expirenance no matter if you're a noob or a vet.
The tech tree streamlining killed the low tier matchmaker overnight.
from the most vibrant and interesting part of the game to the most boring and cancer
This , lower rank sometime filled with bot , give you no reason to try or learn anything, only tier 8 and above matter cause le premium tank
This and the fact that newbies can Just start at Tier 4-5
@@Wifenloof starting a new line is the worst experience ever, having to suffer through the low tiers
@@Wifenloof bots are more fun and interesting than players, and despite not that amazing ai still play better than half of the entire player base of this game. bots are the only good addition ever added to this awful game
i really don't get why WG keeps throwing out sponsorship money and registration codes if they're not gonna do anything to fix the flaming dumpster fire that the low-mid tiers have become
also, it's pretty fucked up how they're giving away a tier VI to noobs for finishing the totally-useful-and-not-a-complete-waste-of-time "tutorial" just so they can serve as fodder for all the OP tier VIII premiums to farm 5k+ in a top tier game
That's what you got when the financing department comes to the main building
because it keeps number go up and money go up only reason
you just answered your own question, they need fodder for the pay to win tier 8 and what better way then to give them a boost? ofcourse if you platoon you immediately lose the nice and peaceful games. the best part about wot is the first battles without players, much fun and engaging.
WG is fishing and Milking. They are not interested in "saving" the game, they just getting every bit of Money off that Product as they can.
Get People interested, push them towards a point they spend money. Some do, some leave.
All the codes and these Influencers cost them a Fraction of what they earn with that strategy.
All the Free to play games run on the assumption that only a small part of people will actually make them a massive amount of money while the largest part will give em nothing or a bit here and there.
Roughly they aim for that 20% of players that stick around and invest. the rest is fodder to them.
For example: Give people a T6, let them be low tier fodder for T8. That creates the urge to buy that T8. Premium Tanks are that expensive that only 1 of 10 people have to fall for this and it makes profit. This is Intentional.
@@TheGouliat bingo some one gets it. thank you gouliat
I remember installing playing WOT after a bad losestreak in WT. I don't know what drove me off, the consumables, the seemingly bullet spongey gameplay, the invisible "camouflaged" players sniping me from God knows where, or the blatant PtW ammo. Needless to say, like a bruised housewife crawling back into an abusive relationship, I came back to WT.
have a like and get some help lmaoo
I crammed like a hundred hours in 1-2 weeks into WT after years of WoT. You people have it good, at least with some tank knowledge and tactics you can overcome a lot of the difficulties in WT. In WoT, it's just learned helplessness, you know it's going to be bad and there's not much you can do about it.
@@greensoldier2142 Yeah that's how I felt playing WoT way back in the day.
Yeah, the firstime i into this kind of game actualy from, wot mobile, before finaly having good pc i play wot, until i getting a bit frusterate, and decided try WT even both is painful to grind, i dont know why WT is more enjoyable for me,
In WT almost everything is decided by the player, if u had good camo than the enemy player will decided that ur camo is working or not, if u Aim somebody is ur Aim that decided that you kill the enemy not the RNG
Dont say me that in WT you were not shoot by invisible players too.... :D
Interesting, the powercreep is what personally drove me to quit. Fed up of live service games where you always have to buy the next best thing to be competitive.
clash royale moment
My solution is, that I don't strive to be competitive. :)
Honestly: I drive my Löwe since it was released and I still have good games to this day.
Me who use to play the ferdi back when it was almost god tier.
you mean PAY TO WIN right? type 59 and a whole bunch of overpowered real money tanks that get preferential match making on top of them implementing a casino match making
War Gaming WOT is not intended to provide entertainment, nor is it intended to provide training an experience in how to play the game. It is there to make money. Period.
The decisions that the devs make, whether it be "rebalancing", loot boxes, premium perks, gold ammunitions, various equipment and crew module upgrades, or even the occasional freebees, are made to increase cash flow into the game. It's a business, and from the looks of it, a pretty cutthroat business at that. For the users, who are the product, this is a game, but to War Gaming, it is a cost-benefit concern.
Having said that, WOT physics do not in any way emulate real large caliber gun ballistics or penetration, nor do they model actual material characteristics. Real AFVs that are hull penetrated are typically destroyed or mission killed. No Hp bank. Even non-penetration hits can kill or wound the crew, and wreck the insides of the AFV. Large caliber HE can and will destroy just about any tank. Having your tracks shot off in a combat situation is a mission kill, minimum, and the time to repair is measured in HOURS or days, not seconds. Nobody who actually fights in a tank at range targets the supposed weak spots on his target, he shoots the target he can see. First tank to hit will usually win, because the target tank crew had, at a minimum, their bells rung and they are temporarily incapacitated at best.
Real world tank warfare is not emulated in WOT. War Thunder comes as close an any to the actual results of anti-tank gunnery, and one shot with penetration is a kill.
If you want to learn what the Russians do when their tanks are hit, just look at the Ukraine war. If they survive the hit, they will almost invariably abandon the tank, because the next round or the next drone with a shaped charge warhead will kill them if they stay in their now immobile AFV.
I've played 60k+ battles in this game. I've gone down to low tiers to start lines that I either hadn't started or quickly bypassed. It is impossible to have fun. All of the points you made are accurate.
Tru dat! Even experienced casual player starting a new line gets f:d easily. Sad. Nuf said.
Honestly this game is an absolute hellscape until you get to like tier 7
Another thing to mention is the how long grinding up a line takes without premium time. In my expirence as a new player 6 years ago, the stock grinds for some tanks were unbearable and almost made me quit. I recently ran out of premium time, and its reminded me of how long it takes to grind credits, even while playing a premium tank.
Meanwhile with all paid boosters people are able to shoot only gold and still gain credits. That is another cancer of WOT that killing it. Onslaught is the essence of it, If you can't afford gold you can't afford high ranks no matter the skill.
You guys dont really know the meaning of "grinding", I started in 2011 and getting to tier 10 was more of an achievement than anything.
and all people had to do was close their wallets early and tada no more insane grind to high tiers and most importantly no artillery and over powered real money tanks. but alas we are not in that timeline
Try warthunder if you want a grind, WOT is lot better for grinding
@@chrissjduebochsjd3120 In WT you can play tops without loosing credits, meanwhile in lvl 10 WoT you lose credits even on victory.
Back in the day me and people in my old clan would go into t2-3 tanks with xvm stats and we would run down the newest or lowest skilled player and let them destroy us for fun. Watching a guy win a 1v3 with less than 100 games was entertainment to us back then.
And probably gave them the game of their life, having more fun and adrenaline than any game before, indeed making them much more likely to stick around
Sealpetting
@@laggianput lmao
@@laggianput lmao that is hilarious 🤣
Absolute legend
I have no idea how it’s possible to be a new player in world of tanks. I think if the PvE tutorial was more similar to the DDay PvE and there were more levels, that could be fun for noobs who are tired of getting constantly killed and just wanna drive around and shoot. At least they can get used to the game
its almost impossible to figure out things on your own since the tutorial is poorly made "historical" shermans vs bunch of german panzers the tutorial that we had before the current one was quite good with the prohorovka scenario when you flanked enemis trough the bushlines it was actually quite fun i remember
I had to create an account again, every battle after bot period on low tiers is gold spamming seal clubbing competition. Not much better on higher tiers on NA, I'm blacklisting people who shoot gold at nonarmored tanks and seeing them from time to time on different tiers - there are never shooting even HE. And ye, bourrasque in every T8 battle.
There are tanks like IS-M or 705A that can use armor against gold sometimes, but for the most times there are no HT if there is a goldspammer on one the other side.
And additional cancer points is goldspammers are so pay to win they even blind firing gold.
@@alekseybabulin4884 gold rounds arent that big of a problem to me since i mostly play paper tanks like batchat but wg totally fucked the lowtiergames now you have only like 3 to 4 maps for lowtiers and you cant even get to himmelsdorf or im just extremely unlucky , like why they streamlined bottom tiers so much it once was the most diverse part of the game an now its just unplayable garbage with sealclubbers
@@unknown_player9498 Ye, same, but before that I researched HT line, and god that is unbearable assimetry of penetration.
I just took my tier 5 ELC out for a spin today. I was top tier. Six players on the enemy team had the gold ball next to their name. It was nothing but gold spam all game. I looked at their accounts afterward. All had between 25k to 50k games played. Some had never even gone above tier six. When you look at these accounts, most have very few higher tier tanks and they are terrible in them. It's just so typical. Why learn to get better at high tiers when I can just pummel people at low tiers? To be honest, any low tier tank with the gold circle should automatically be bottom tier.
When you talk about mobile games, the rule is "The more currencies, the more mechanics, the more advertizement, the more you're seeing a game nearing it's life support stage". And we're seeing that in more live service games too.
Mobile games were always the forerunners for the mainstream dev cycle. Microtransactions, loot boxes, the entire F2P economic model all had their 'trial runs' and initial forays into the business via mobile gaming in the mid-to-late 2000s. Then it moved into sports games and finally into the main gaming sphere because, lo and behold, it was proving to be very profitable.
Gamers really need to take a step back and re-evaluate what they spend their money on and why.
@@Pulmonox it's not le gamers, it's casual people looking for a brief escape.
You basically just described 99% of AAA games and yet theyre still selling shit tons
@@rodiculous9464 The problem is that half the population is below average IQ. Even they got money.
So WoT has the same problems from 7 years ago when I quit permanently.
Honestly at this point, Wargaming just needs to make a true co-op option for tanks just as there is in Warships. Let those that want to play a tier 1/2/3/4 all day do exactly just that, but without ruining a new player's battle experience. Warships figured it out, tanks should be able to as well. That at least solves one issue in part.
It would probably be more difficult to do it because of terrain being a thing in WoT, but it should be possible.
@@thearmouroflight6954 They've already got bots programed for the maps in WoT, that issue is sorted. They even already know how to distribute bots vs players, so the match making part is already in place, it's literally a matter of them doing it, and having the server capacity to run it.
as a WoWS player, i can say this tends to have an opposite effect where more new players play Co-OP and the actual sealclubbers still play PvP. For a lot of them in their premiums (Giulio Cesare, Kamikaze, Agincourt are the big three), they just want to grief. It's the unfortunate reality with these people and i'm not putting it nicely.
They used to have Proving Grounds back in the day, but it was removed.
Lesta games readded it, the more i looked into lesta te mlre i agree with their changes, they atleast are trying to breal the meta and add new features
"why are my teammates so bad. seriously you should all uninstall"
tier 3 seal clubber to their teammates.
edit: also the part about people not knowing about things like side scrapping is the result of WG not having a more advanced tutorial that covers things like this. they also need an in game armor viewer as well.
double edit: and the fact that the game only put a single likely stock t29 with no back up heavy up against 2 full upgraded t29 who are also platooned really just shows how bad the matchmaker is.
tbh that t29 player did skip actually completing the M6 grind to get the 90mm. No way in modern day can you get a 76mm t29 if u actually bothered researching all modules of your tanks
@@helohel5915 maybe he played the m6 and just didn't like it and wanted to get the t29. again tho the MM shouldn't have made him the only heavy on this team.
@@shadowzone2588 yeah... played the m6, didn't fully research modules, went immediately to t29, grinding like 50k exp in a stock m6
I don't know sounds like this guy set themselves up for failure. Sure, MM issue, but I see too many personal mistakes
@@helohel5915 well considering that he was new too he probably didn't know that certain upgrades transfer between tanks.
@@shadowzone2588 no no not even that, he didn't know to research the top gun on m6 before grinding the necessary exp for t29
All my friends who tried to start playing wot gave up mainly because of artillery. Despite having 20k battles I wasn't able to explain to them how to deal with it (because I don't know that either xd).
Same. Arty has ruined this game. If it's not the stun, then it's the leFHB1 arty that ruins the game. Number of arty players has dramatically increased. Noteworthy mentions are also FV304 which are people now playing heavily, and AMX 13 AM which ruin the whole tier 4-6 experience. It's pointless for me to play those tiers in order to get BP bonus for maxing out point caps on tier 4-6 tanks.
Two artilleries on each team is just as bad as three. It should be one on each team, or to remove the artillery completely, or have arty play separate game mode.
@@astanisystems Many artilleries could be transfer into TD with troll gun
@@piaskonator2535 The War Thunder route then
arty is impossible to cure the concept is cancer and you cannnot fix it
@@AHappyCub exactly
I started playing the game in 2015, and I remember that the team training rooms used to be pack full of people (on the NA server), like there would be at least 15 rooms going with upwards of 5-20 players in each room messing around or just driving their tanks around in a chill room talking with people
Now in 2024, when I opened up team training rooms, I only saw one room if any at all, and that one room would either have 15 people on a good day or 5 people and that broke my heart to see that, that the game that I love and the era that I joined in that would have chill rooms, runners vs. chasers, hide & seek, arty battleship, arty battles, hell even mountain climbing rooms isn’t getting new players to have these fun rooms is just heart wrenching, yeah there were toxicity in the training rooms, but there was enough people who just wanted to have a good time, having a good time climbing the B2 spot on mountain pass, chasing fast low tier tanks with their E-50m in runners vs. chasers, getting in their tier 3 Renault FT to get to some ridiculously funny hiding spots in hide & seek, getting out their m44 and fv304 arty to shotgun each other with in arty battles, or getting in their arties to blind fire from one cap to the other in arty battleship, this sounds very nostalgic in retrospect (cuz it is), but man those were the times and to be frank I miss those times in the game where people just played the game to have fun
the problem with training rooms always been that you actually had to pay the consumable and ammo cost all time. That was just sucha stupid thing to have. You gain nothing but spend everything.
@@shadowdemon553 im incredibly glad. I dislike wot and wotb with a massive hatred.
team training rooms in 2013-2017 era were so much fun, i can still feel my ears ringing from people screaming into their mic after setting it to max sensitivity.
I see a few comments about WT, as a world of tanks former player (then started playing WT cause I enjoyed the realism), I never actually understood how the crew system worked, even when I got 2 tier 10’s, I never understood even after people tried to explain it. And while Warthunder doesn’t exactly do a good job of explaining their game, the fact u can respawn and u do learn very quickly just rushing out immedietely gets you killed actually made the game more fun, and I think it’s the fact u CAN respawn more vehicles that makes it better. You actually get the opportunity to learn instead of going back to main menu then going through another loading screen to probably end up dead in 2 seconds only after driving towards the enemy for 15 seconds
Respawn would be a great mechanic for World of Tanks standard battles to be honest and there are some special battle modes on WoT that do allow it.
I played WoT for two years and oh man I remember the joys of facing tier 8 prems in a stock tier 6. I pushed through but i think that’s just a hurdle that wasn’t worth it to most
Long long time ago back in like 2010 or 11 the matchmaking was so jacked you could have a tier 6 up against tier 9s and 10s. I once killed an E75 with a Hellcat cuz he had no health and I manages to pen his rear. I got so much exp lol
Incoming: "Seal-clubbing"
Me: Has Pz. S35 flashbacks
me who owns pz II b but i dont play it very often as i dont want to ruin experience for newcomers , but i try to mostly target sealclubbers
Every time we have to play low tier we always jump on the pz s35 or yolo them 3v1 just to ruin their seal clubbing experience xd
@@DDomi-rh6fq czech tier III has 120 burst and 80 standard pen it pisses them off so easily
@@unknown_player9498 ayy good to know
@@unknown_player9498that thing is mid, strv m40 L is where it's at, although 1v1 nothing can beat the pz s35.
Dropped this game over a year ago and switched to War Thunder and haven’t looked back.
war thunder itself isnt a great game either. the only thing running for it is good graphic's and historically accurate.
@@convue4112 WT a bit better though.
WT is more of a pay to progress, not p2w game, although seal clubbing exists in WT as much as in WOT, gameplay wise it's up to preference.
Same
You traded an Opium addiction for a Krokodil addiction.
@@dragonace119 you ain’t wrong
Funny how no one talks about the PZ1C with a waffle turret and 1V29 in the beginning of the battle.
I've not played the PC version of WoT and seeing that Pz1C and that Medium MMMMV with FV4005 turret bloody had me confused for a second
Not to mention watching it rip around so fast it rolled itself, and the gun looked almost comically large one of the times it got sillouetted. Maybe I'm mixing it up with another tank though.
@@crazyadam9281 wait till you hear about mercenaries...
@@roobobin if you're talking about the console version of WoT then I now about the those tanks.
@@crazyadam9281 I am unfortunately
Have y'all noticed the recent increase of arty players at tier 4-6? Nearly every tier 4-6 match I see two artilleries on each team, and most of the time it's FV304 and that damn tier 5 French leaf blower artillery. I tested something on test server, and you can get that arty's reload down to about 7.5 seconds which just breaks the game. In a match on the test server, I was able to harass people and deal 1000-1500 damage on average and sometimes 2K or more with that build, and I'm by no means a skilled arty player - I play heavies and mediums mostly. This goes to show yet another problem that this game has, and that is OP tanks. Don't even get me started on BZ-176 and similar OP tanks, it was just as bad of an outcome. I tested that too. Game is totally unbalanced. The most balance I saw was in 2013-2015.
and then they nuked fun tanks like 59-16 and removed climbing to promote hulldown bullshit
@@unknown_player9498 Yeah, long gone are days where you could climb somewhere and find a good sniping or scouting position, or just have fun. Did 59-16 have an autoloader back in the day? I think it did. Anyways, that's one tank I need to play with soon.
@@astanisystems it had autoloader but wg nerfed it for no reason and yeah 9.17 was wot at its peak you could climb everywhere and that was awesome
@@unknown_player9498 What a shame. They will nerf everything except premium tanks.
@@unknown_player9498 they did it to promote artillery and more camping, and to remove fun because its not aloud in this game
side scraping can be seen in battle loadings as a tip. singular image with maus, describing that angling your armor increaces chance of survival.
It would be better it they just had the tutorial tell you about it and show you how to do it
I believe it's also mentioned as a feature of a premium tank, like hulldown capabilities or dpm. But the technicality is never explained.
@@thearmouroflight6954 and that's the problem.
I think the loading screen you're referring to is also on wot blitz, another game that has a worthless tutorial that teaches nothing yet still lets new players to buy tier 8 premium out of the box.
As a veteran WOT player with a high enough wn8 that went from competitive to not playing the game for a year now there are those things mainly:
You play tier 10 - you need premium account to not go bankrupt in 3 games (you still go after 10, 15 if you have really good games). Shooting mostly gold is a must to be able to perform, not using gold lowers your chances for a good game significantly.
If you play tier 8 premiums, unless it's clan wars, you face tier 10s and can fuck right off.
Playing tier 7 and 9 is boring, personally, I don't find enjoyment in playing those tiers.
At tier 6, there are some fun tanks to play, but it gets old very quickly.
Tier 5 and below, you face really bad opponents and it feels like bot farming and isn't even enjoyable. Yes, you get 10 kills sometimes, 5+ consistently, but it's not fun to seal club (at least for me, if some need to do that to be able to feel good about themselves, they do them)
So what do you do in the game?
Play clan wars, that's it. Trash game. Switched to WT and did not look back
Siege sucks now anyway, you're not missing out. I played year 1 and 2 and it was awesome but Ubisoft made it worse with every uodates.
8:19 as a former WoTb pleyer when they deleted all those tier 1-3 tanks, thats was the time when I quit the game, devs should not force you to grind ,but encourage to that by having fun in any tank you like
(I played with my beloved t2 medium back then)
I would limit matchmaking to only +1/-1, and only for tier V and above. I would also limit TD's to only 2 for tier's I-IV, 3 for tier's V-VII, and 4 for tier's VIII-X.
I agree but on NA server TDs actually make up a majority of the most played tanks. only 4 TDs per team would massively increase que times because so many people on NA prefer to play TDs.
Damn larry, how surprising to see you here
@@asrieldreemurr1856 Hey, Asriel. It is good to see you here as well. What is the portuguese word for hello? Olá... Did I spell that correctly? 'X^) Well, anyway, happy hunting out there. ':^)
@@larry-three8225 Yes you're right about the word lol.
i am a bit late to this video, but the fact that side scrapping was a mechanic hidden from me until tier VIII is INSANE
as a war thunder player that played a lot of wot waaaay back in the day...
shit man its all the same
Started to get sick of war thunder and tried wot, I came back to war thunder with the realization that it could be so much worse than it is
@@Pepsi_man_official lmfao real
Man if you took me back to 2014-15 i would play WoT everyday, those were truely the best days for me,a lot of things ruined the game for me thats why i stopped playing but WoT will always have a special place in my heart
I want to make my own statement, from an "outsider" perspective, who did play World of Tanks, but is a War Thunder player now.
My story began in I don't know 2018, 2019.
I have a friend who was obsessed with WoT since I knew him. He was a true WoT Veteran, who knew everything, and anything at the time at least.
And he got me to try the game. Back then I was not that much of a "nerd" and I had barely known anything.
Didn't help that we immedietly played in a platoon. Low tier was pain, and I didn't understand what I was doing, and what I wanted to do, I was confused, and as much as he tried to teach me the basics, I often misunderstood things, or just didn't quite fully understand things. Like side-scraping.
Things just didn't go well, and I was quickly feeling tired of the game, and I'm not the type of person to give up learning a new game, case in point, I play War Thunder now.
But WoT......just did not work out for me.
I was playing Soviet Tanks, and my friend was an avid Heavy Tank enthausiast, so his advice was to grind a tier 10 heavy first. This was the first wrong choice I did not know I was making. He also suggested that my first tank should be either American, German, or Soviet. He was a Soviet fan, and I was back then too, so I made the second wrong choice by going with the Soviet Heavy tanks.
In Hindsight I would have rather went for German Heavies, or just any medium line.
I got to the KV-1, and I was absolutely dumbfounded and didn't understand what I was supposed to do. My problem was mainly with the Tactics. I had 0 Idea what should I do and when.
But we decided I should start another line, which was the US Tank Destroyers line, which I enjoyed a lot more.
But the story went the way it did, and I stopped playing World of Tanks altogether.
I think one or two years has passed, and my passive like for military vehicles have grown to a more active one, and I really looked for a plane game, and that's how I really found War Thunder.
Here the story went like this:
I came for the planes, and I had 2 goals: The Boeing B-17, and the main goal, a Griffon Engine Spitfire. So the Spitfire Mk.XIVe.
And I've got to playing in Arcade Air Battles.
Air Arcade has one major benefit: Chaos.
Air Arcade is a really chaotic environment, with respawns, lead indicators, and the sheer volume of airplanes, in Air Arcade, even I, a total seal had a chance of success.
That does not mean that playing Arcade would really teach anything, I was actively learning, or rather thought myself by consuming content. If I wasn't playing War Thunder, I was watching it. I looked for air combat guides, and I learned things from them. When I was somewhat decent at the fundamentals, I slowly, and hesitantly made my graduation from Air Arcade to Air Realistic battles, where I had to learn even more to be effective. I learned from creators like DEFYN, because the game barely had any content to teach.
We will get back to this later.
While I was getting better and better as a Pilot, as a Tanker I was terrible.
The problem arose from a few things:
In Arcade, I felt like I was way too easy to spot with the markers, and shell fall indicators, I was killed way too quickly.
In Realistic however, the problem arose from the simple fact that without the markers, I felt blind and didn't notice enemies in time, and I got killed before spotting them.
What added to the problem was that I had no idea where should I look for the enemies in the first place.
Another problem was my choice of Nation.
I was very proficient at British Aircraft, and as a Teaboo, I took it obvious that I would play British tanks as well.
Nobody told me in time that Great Britain is the least forgiving tech tree in the entire game, for the simple reason, that it is a Major Nation, that is NOT a major nation. It seems like a major nation that is full of vehicles and friendly for the newbies, like Germany, USA, or USSR. However it is by far not. Japan, China, France, Sweden and Italy are obviously not Majors, and are obviously not new player friendly, but britain isn't obvious.
I was going for the Churchill VII, and the FV4005 Stage II.
I was barely touching tanks until....
I have unlocked it.
The Stuart I.
This was one of the first tanks I have unlocked, and it was wonderful. It was after all, an American tank, which is much more forgiving, than the feast or famine, bipolar nature the British tanks have (And I've since grown to adore it).
Thing is that as a new player to WT Tanks, I should have tried playing the big 3 first, to even have a chance at understanding tank combat, but now it was whatever. I got a basic tank with forgiving charachteristics, it was only forwards now.
Thing is, one great thing about War Thunder tanks as a new player, is that low tier tanks barely have any armor. All you have to do is spot a tank, and shoot it. And it should die, or at least get majorly crippled.
Your only major adversaries become the Germans, as they get early Panzer III and Panzer IV in low tiers, which do have some armor. But you still, should be alright.
In the intended gameplay of War Thunder, I do not find that much of an issue.
The problem seems to be the exact opposite.
Encountering a Level 8 F-4S Phantom II(Premium plane) player in my (German)MiG-29......and getting absolutely fucking deleted by my R-27ER1 Semi-Active Radar Homing biasmissile.
In my humble opinion War Thunder for a newcomer is an insane gott-verdamnt nightmare. You barely get any information, lack of tutorials, experienced players, not even the seal clubbers, but like people like me, who adore old vehicles, that reside in lower tiers (Like the P-40 Warhawk at battlerating 2.7, which honestly, is absolutely insane seal-clubbing even if I don't try, and it's not my or their fault.)
In general, "The Grind" is a blessing in low tier. It's not horrific, but it is long, and it needs to be, to give new players time to figure things out on their own.
Problem:
-They do not figure out things on their own, they don't get the clues, and need outside help, which isn't too obvious to find.
-They are not persistent to suffer through 10-15 matches until they realise their mistakes and begin to improve, so they just uninstall
-(air specific) They don't care about propeller planes, so they just buy themselves up to the Tier VI-VII Jets, like the F-4S Phantom or the MiG-23ML.
The thing is, that the game is too hard for a complete beginner, but I find that War Thunder's learning curve is more of a steep first step and then it's gradual and it's okay-ish, but there is always room to improve, of course, and I find it less problematic than World of Tanks' absolute encyclopedia you need to learn before you can get on a basic level on the game, but by that time you most likely reach a high enough tier you actively NEED that knowledge. And then, as you force yourself further, I find that Tech Tree tanks in WoT are barely competative vs some premiums, but I don't particualry know how much of a problem that is.
I don't know what else I should add, ask away.
Oh no poor brits tanker...
the 17 pounder won't fit.
Yeah I agree. Coming from WoT with the tanks and originally just playing WT on the side for planes I get the perspective. Just like your friend with the top tier Soviet heavy tanks, I too late realized that I had made a poor decision (I went for the tier ten U.S. medium M48A1 Patton). Though that that was much better than its lower tier counterparts, playing tier ten as a free to play player is not possible unless you do really well and win ever match to pay for the repair cost. I was also fed up with how WoT plays; the arbitrary aim circle, fog of war view distance, unrewarding free to play shells and vehicles, stupidly long match wait times (I played on the NA servers), etc. I had enough so I just stopped playing, unfortunately it was after I had already convinced one of my friends to start playing WoT. Oh well, I guess he likes it better as of currently (even after getting the tier nine French wheeled tank).
I then tried tanks on War Thunder and I was amazed by how fun even the low tiers were and also how unforgiving the gameplay was. Yes the grind is still there, but it is much more player friendly since you can actually get different tanks relatively quickly.
Overall I like the more realistic-ness of WT over the arcade-y WoT gameplay. But they both exist with massive player bases, so obviously each game has its place.
WT is worse with information if you want to play Arcade, because all the info online seems geared for RB, and sometimes it's not clear either. Out of all the games of this type I've tried, I'd steer a new player to World of Warships and tell them to never look elsewhere.
Chosing the Soviet or US line wasnt a mistake. Chosing the heavy class wasnt a mistake either.
Your mistake was that you refused to learn a rather complex game.
What you guys did to Erik was genuinely the most wholesome thing I've seen in the WoT community. We should help the amateurs at all cost, without them, the game eventually dies.
World of Tanks started dying since way before 1.0. It was 0.6.7 when me and my middle school mates noticed how premium stuff gets more frequent. "Soon, only downloading the game will be free." I forgot which one of us said it, but it stuck to my mind.
0.6.7 was closed beta, where there were only like 70 tanks in the game...
Until the Type59 appeared, the only advantage was that premium tanks were more profitable and repairs cost less. But they were fundamentally inferior to their tech tree counterparts. They were slower or had worse armor or longer reload times, etc. And then came the Type59, that was the beginning of the power creeps. It was so much better than its tech tree opponents that it sold like hot cakes.
Wg even advertised this directly and recommended that it is best to play them in platoons as wolf packs in order to be as successful as possible.
He was so overpowered that he had finaly to be nerfed three times and sales still had to be stopped because he was still so good that he was already threatening to destroy the gameplay and thus the game as such for everyone.
Time for me to 3 mark a tier 3
On stream
I stopped playing nearly a decade ago, what killed it for me was the class distinction be eroded away. I liked playing light tanks that focus on providing the team with scouting, I'm sure it's still around to some extent but what I saw was light tanks with the addition of tier 10 lights were just an alternative form of medium tank, just less armor and hp and higher speed. And I really didn't like that. Most of my best memories were playing tier 4-5 light tanks and working with my teammates. Also the saturation of high tier vehicles hitting max view range, and the state of artillery and many other things like gold ammo have ruined the game. Maybe it's just the nostalgia but playing wot classic for the brief while that was available was genuinely fun tier 4-6 which the game hadn't been for me for years by the time wot classic showed up. It's just not fun like it used to be.
As a WT player I never realized it could be so much worse
nothings really worse than warthunder
Man, I haven't played WoT in like 5+ years
To me World of Tanks died after patch 9.6, a patch where accuracy was HEAVILY nerfed. After that WoT is just a slot machine where honestly skill barely matters
Thats bullshit.The only thing that changed is that skill matters much more now. If you are bad and cant read the map, your games will be bad. I can play worst tier 8 tank and still average around 2.5k dmg which is much more then average player in most op tank in the game.
The enormous spread in average damage between good and bad players in the same tank proves the "skill barely matters" claim to be nonsense. You do actually have to known what you are doing, it isn't just luck.
Ah WoT glazers lmao. Imagine glazing over messed up accuracy. Specially when it's messed up even in CQC.
About gold apcr ammo. For clarification, i haven't played the game for years now. I dropped it at the time where WT E100 were absolutely demolishing anything and arty did full dmg. APCR isn't even properly modelled in WoT. Sure it has high pen, but the pen drop with distance is insane because, despite being lighter it had high aerodynamical drag which caused rapid velocity bleed. Its a basically solid piece of tungsten projectile coated with alluminium shell. Light, hard and rigid. It doesn't have explosive filler, so it isn't as effective as APHE for example and because it's hard it easily ricochets (there's also high chance of shattering upon impact) and because it's light it doesn't create as much spall as even normal solid shots. For an arcade game as WoT APCR doesn't really make sense. Not to mention that for small caliber guns of low tier any advantage of APCR would be negated after 150-200m.
I played a game called Combat Arms for nearly a decade. People complained about the game forever and there were never any attempts to fix the issues plaguing the game. It's essentially dead now but still active and the issues still exists. The issues with WoT will not be addressed. Ride the sinking ship and have fun but if you're not having fun just know the issues will not be resolved and figure out where you want to go from there.
Combat Arms is still up? Damn, it's been a long time.
Seeing WoT version of Pz.III's long 50mm gun penning only 67mm of armor is sad.
I liked wotb's solution to gold ammo, they kept the price difference and higher penetration, but lowered the damage
It was used as an option for when you simply couldn't get a better shot
You need extra pen? well accept lower damage
You want to do damage? well accept the lower pen
Except for high tier britain that got HESH that dealt HE damage with worse pen than base ap
Blitz's combat system is a lot more mobility-based than PC is. Gold ammo matters less because you can flank exceedingly easier. Versus PC, where it's basically who can snipe weak spots more often than their opponents (see T110E5).
IS-3-II only has 292 gold pen for 390 damage. If it does (for example) 10% less damage, it has to shoot a Maus at least 10 times to kill it, and it cannot frontally pen anywhere except the lower plate.
It also makes tanks with already-not-great gold rounds even worse, like the T-100.
Two main reasons I quit playing were HD tank updates, that removed the weak spots and the removal of crosschat. I allso think the game should be 1-3 tier spread, but I did like the challenge that brought😅
the snail welcomes all who wish for a truly unforgiving experience
The same kind of problem exists in War Thunder. Many players get codes from UA-camr sponsorships, giving them access to high-level tanks like the Panzer V and Tiger. However, they often have no Golden Eagles and only backup vehicles like the Panzer III, which is practically useless at that battle rating. These players have a lot to learn, and when they enter a map like Poland, where experienced players or snipers dominate the game, they often become frustrated and end up quitting.
Glad War Thunder isn't dying.
At least one of the tank games I've dumped inordinate amounts of time and money into is still playable.
And I've learned to fly planes and helicopters.
The war thunder early game ain't much better, so many level 100s at tier 1 and around 3.0-4.0 it's even worse
As long as I can do my tech tree EBR and AC I am happy playing 6.0
@@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477 I mean, its not that big a deal, just cause they're level 100 doesn't mean theyre good. Theyve just been around a minute.
Level 100 really dont even mean shit, like, I've had that for YEARS. I got a friend that rerolled last year and he's already lvl 100. Tho, hes not a great example cause he's gone 50-2 in air sim ec
@@ZigaZagu War Thunder, where lv100 means you have "the initiation of a baisc competency in survival". 😂
>Warthunder
>Playable
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@@burningphoneix skill issue
Very well put together, produced, and published, there should be more like you and then maybe, just maybe, they'd listen....if it's that they don't realize instead of not caring....hopefully if enough voices are heard from CC's and non CC's that stream and produce great videos such as this one, they'll actually get their heads out of the sand and take action....I don't think any company wants to go under, sometimes it's just the top brass out of touch with the common schmoe.
The most powerful CCs will be careful because they themselves live off the product. And the product that you live off of will not be seriously exposed. They go with the flow as long as they can. They have no real opportunity to intervene in WG's business policy. So they put on a brave face as long as they can still profit from it.
Just as an example, skill4ltu made a video in which he directly called the sale of the Pz IV Hydrostatic for €54 a scam, which is of course true. But just one day later he promoted the sale of the Defender. That's what I mean, on the one hand the CCs are telling the truth, but on the other hand they immediately join in and promote the sale of WG products.
It's all about money and only money. And as long as a game provider is all about making money, something like a fair, real competition will never be possible because there is NO MONEY to be made from it.
the problem is that higher tiers gameplay should become more complex and nuanced so that players feel they always have something to learn, but the tank handling should feel equally as good in all of the tiers. instead the lower ranks feel extremely frustrating because they game has basically the same complexity but the tanks are horrible. lower tiers should be for simpler gameplay, not bad gameplay
When I first started way back in like 2012, sidescrapping wasn't really a mechanic I learned until I got to the tigers. I wanted a tiger, I was grinding the german tree, I got the panzer 4h and that's when I started to learn from clan mates and other players that in the historical tanks and tech tree tanks you will reach a point where the ammo doesn't rip through the tanks anymore. So sidescrapping became an all knowing factor, but in today's presentation, the developers do treat this as common knowledge to the player base and really neglect a lot of how the game works for newer players. Honestly some of the most fun I had was hopping in lower tiers when new clan mates were grinding up for their desired tree and it honestly just felt like an arcade, till you get to tier 5 and six and then that was when you got the run down of armor thickness and premium ammo and tank angles and other things, but now the game is really in this weird dead mode where people are just trying to have whatever fun they can where they can because we all know, the game is kinda dead in the water and it keeps sinking. I'll enjoy it while it lasts. There is a case to be made against the seal clubbing, but like you found out, if there's no ethics to the group of people who do it and there's no real effort to police or correct the game play, then people are going to do it. It's more commonly called griefing in other games these days. It's a form of fun at another persons expense, ideally a new persons expense.
Edit: I also remember playing the game back when you weren't restricted for tiers when you platooned. Tier 4's and tier 8's could play together. I achieved a nice nod while in my scout being able to spot for the higher tiers in my 38 t.
Talking about rainbow 6 siege. I was scolded at and vote kicked a lot as a new player. I asked for help and they just asked me to leave the team even before I did anything. It made me a bit sad.
i miss vote to kick
I don't play this game but this was a very inciteful video. i hope some of these problems get addressed
I dont even know when i learned how to sidescrap. i think i was in some clan, and there was guy who helped me to understand it.
me too. i met someone who becomes my bestfriend later who teach me how to do sidescrape and weakspot, he already 3 years or less at that time. its the WOT Blitz tho because he told the normal WOT sucks because of arty.
I just naturally noticed that angled armour bounces more... so i angled the whole tank.
This is why I try to use more fun vehicles at those tiers. Something liked the T-60 with the .50 or just shotgun arty. Something dumb that isn’t effective but won’t stop enemy players from mopping the floor with you even if they play dumb.
I am an unintentional seal clubber, kind of, and hear is why. I started playing the game about a decade ago who is a free to play player who only spent money on the game when I started playing to buy garage slots. I think I started playing the game at its sweet spot, it was very popular back then, it had a lot of mini marathons like on tracks and monthly missions that let me earn a lot of lower tier premium tanks, and there were a lot of new players to it was a much more level playing field for new players. I played a lot of low tier tanks do to the On Tracks and because I needed to earn credits to buy tech tree tanks, equipment, and consumables. The game actively punishes progression, the higher the tier you progress to the more expensive it is to buy the tank, equipping it is expensive, and playing it becomes more expensive as well as you progress up the tiers, even making it prohibitively expensive to play the highest tier tanks, especially when you trying to grind credits, with a free to play account, so back then I would go to play tons and tons of low tier games in low tier premium tanks to get credits just so I could progress in the tech tree. Then WG actively began to try to get players to play higher tier tanks, they nerfed the number of rewards you could earn, Luckly I already had enough higher level premium tanks to continue to do the worthwhile missions and still earn credits for progression, but there was no need to play the game that much for me, the rewards were not worth it anymore most of the time so I literally started playing only one tenth (1/10) as much as before. Then WG started the battle pass and I realized it was much easier to do it with tier 6 tanks, many of them premium than higher tier tanks, and now WG allows even tier 4 tanks to be used. Combine this with events like the Black Market, the Assembly Shop and other in game sales and almost all progression up the tech tree has ended for me just so I can make credits, and i make credits with mostly lower tier tanks tier 5 and mostly 6, thus most of my games are in those tiers overall. I have now mostly abandoned even playing tier 7 and 8 premium tanks (which I have about 50 combined, yes on a free to play account and I did not use actual money for a single one of them, I ground them out through missions), they are not as efficient in doing the On Track, and I have also found higher tier teams and gameplay is just as bad if not worse than lower tier game play and it is not as profitable or fun. Occasionally I will get a player starting to DM me that I am a looser for playing these tanks at lower tiers, and I just ignore their ignorance and arrogance since they either have no concept of the free to play experience or they have not idea that different players have different goals than they do and do not view how to play the game the same way they do (a problem a lot of people have in real life as well with other people).
WG has had so much success with this game the way it was, they now have a hard time understanding that they succeeded disputed the game have so many problem, not because of the way the game systems and rewards work. This makes it very hard for them to make changes in a reasonable amount of time, it at all. WG does token things to attract new players but has no intention of doing a lot of things that need to be done because WG wants there to be so much grinding, so much pain, so need for XP and credits that players will break down and buy premium time, premium tanks, and other things WG sells to progress. In this endeavor to get players to spend more and more they are constantly nerfing rewards and trying to create FOMO in events and sales, buy keeping the possibility of a rare tank being sold or offered that will be so OP it breaks the game that players "have to have it' or be a victim of it, that WG by its sheer greed not only makes the game unimaginably difficult for new players to catch up and compete, but drive older players away because they get tired of the constant monetization, power creep, nerfing of good tech tree tanks and other WG changes that undermine progress and achievement and leave the feeling the WG will one day do something so bad to the players that they stop investing time and money into what they realize is a losing proposition.
I know my time playing WOT is limited, I know that one day I will have nothing from this game but memories. You do not really own your account, your account exists at the whim of WG. I know one day WG is very likely to try to put something in the game or change something that will stop me from playing. I almost left permanently when they were pushing the first attempt at Crew 2.0, the only time I took a "break" from WG, that was for 9 months. They backed down, but not really, they just went back to the drawing board on how to push it into the game in a more palpable way. WG will nerf, change, and monetize this game into the ground long before it natural expiration date arrives. Always remember that WOT is just a game and it will end, so try not to spend time and money on it beyond what you find enjoyable. This game has made me realize that I do not ever want to start to play another MMO again,
revert the game back to 7.0 or 8.6 with just the current tank trees...
Amen
i miss 9.17 it was wot at its peak after it went to shit
Update that intorduced Swedish line was peak of WoT. Most of the maps were still in game, top tier was on semi cancers state (not full cancer) and all tiers beyond 5 were fun on their own. It got down hill when they rolled that super heavy buff update.
@@unknown_player9498 true!...9.18 destroyed it.
problem is artillery is still in those version, they need to remove artillery
I believe the half of the playerbase are Eric players. Without any insult in mind. There is a deception everywhere, your example with 50b and e3 is just a drop in the see of lies. This game could be a simple enjoyable arcade and such gamemods as Steel Hunter and Frontline are a proof to that statement, especially the Frontline, where every class is viable.
What majority do not understand that this game (pubs) in essense is almost entirely about hp trading, that's it. Playing sniper td/medium according to WG map guides or ccs that are 3 marking it and playing super safe will do much more harm to an average player than it will do good. Let's say you are in a charioteer. The map is Highway. You can camp at the back, you may even have a high damage game, when your team looses. But the game is lost. If it is a victory, than you will have 2-3 shots at max.
Or, alternativelly, you can go as a support class, paying attention, when enemy has fired and scoring a shot. Or, you can even trade. Let's say, there is an is-3 or a 50tp. You can take one, and give him 2x480.
And now the question, who has ever said that to a player? Hell, even old players, still believe that tanks are different and having no armor in a current meta is just different gameplay, having no clue, that Maus can snipe from the back like leo or grille. But you know what leo and grille cannot do? Right, fighting upfront unless you are an opportunist and a masochist of some sort, like I am :)
Take side scraping. It's one thing when you are checking whether the enemy shoot you without a damage to shoot in return. And it is a totally other story, when your team is winning the flank, there one or two tanks left on the enemy's side of the flank or behind the corner, and instead of taking a shot and push, your 3 teammates are trying to bait an enemy for a shot. Having full hp, while opponent has half
"Yo why is our grille 15 playing in the back like a bitch? GET TO THE FRONT COWARD!"
-guy in a paper med who got insta clapped by a fv4005 2 mins into the match
Wg has many, many, many problems. Instead of fixing any of them, those painfully incompetent and greedy pigs decide to fill the game with bloatware, release lootboxes, and ignore the community entirely. How this game is still alive suprises me entirely
I can not say anything about the seal clubbing in War Thunder, but I can confirm that the seal clubbing in crossout is a nightmare situation. I will not get too much into the details here, but we have been in an ebb and flow of lack of players for a long time, and seal clubbing, and alarmingly rampant toxicity are factors in why crossout is in the same boots as World of tanks. We are just worse affected by it due to the lack of players, and unchecked toxicity.
Sealclubbing always existed (T18 TD anyone ?) . The problem is that it was never this prominent & obvious.
- WG removed almost all low tier tech tree tanks & moved them to collector's vehicles and added/left only very strong tech tree tanks (Matilda, Valentine, T6 Medium, S35, Stuart etc).
- They buffed HP by a lot.
- They changed MM (lowered it).
- They added a lot of "boosters" so you pretty much get so much credits & exp that you land on your 1st tier 5 in less than 1 hour lol.
The whole idea was to make the experience better for new players. But the effect is the opposite. No one "grinds" low tiers any more. New players fights bots for some games and then boom ! Statpaders ! :O
In the past you had to play tier 2 TD to unlock TDs. Now it starts from tier 5 or something. In the past tanks that nowadays are quite common (like B2 or leFH for example) were very rare. Even if some one was sealcubbing, you saw that tank maybe once per 50 - 100 games. It was rare. it was not impacting new player experience. Pz S35 ? It was not "god tier" also as it had normal mm (very often vs tier 5) & less HP. It goes pretty much for every seal clubber tank. It was either very rare, so it was not impacting games that much, or it was in a way worse spot than vs now. And on top of that, you had normal players playing low tiers as they were grinding through the tech tree.
Nowadays, the only ones who were left in the game at low tiers are seal clubbers. And even for them, the games are becoming too toxic. So "seal clubbers" are now split. Some stayed ad tier 3 - 4 and some moved at tier 5. WG killed low tier. The only "low tiers" imho that can offer some fun & decent games are only 2 tanks - Light Mk. VIC & T7 Combat Car. Why ? Cuz both have mm+0 so they will never see sealclubbers (or at least very rarely).
To fix the problem, WG should simply go back to the previous version that worked. More tech tree tanks at low tiers. More grinding at lower tiers. More modules to research. More type of guns to mount on a tank. The only way to stop sealclubbing is to bring more players to the low tier, as it was before. Give players a reason to play low tiers. And if more people will play, then sealclubbers will be less frequent till it is like before - maybe once for 30 - 50 games.
The problem is WG itself. They want players to play at higher tiers, so they would keep buying p2w premium tansk... So I guess WG "wants" to keep it that way, so they will not fix it... They want players to get wrecked by broken premium tanks at tier 8 and, OP clan reward tanks at tier 9 and 10. They want this cuz some players will buy the tanks that keep killing them.
not more modules. instead higher research xp cost or, better yet, 1 gunmark as a requirement to unlock the next Tier
As a kid I spent YEARS in low tiers and had a lot of fun. I was playing many different countries and tanks, which resulted in very slow progression up the ranks, but I didn't mind. Nowadays that's not even an option
Say what you want, but I will harras arty clans >:)
Ironically I think at least the reason for some people with a high battle count to play mid or low tier is that they wanna avoid the toxicity and dysfunction at high tiers. The power creep, the pay to win, the lack of balance, the broken mechanics. I think to an extent the gameplay at mid to low tier does kind of resemble to game's dynamics 10 years ago, to an extent. The element of comfort and nostalgia is there.
I stopped playing wot like 5 years ago and i remember people still talking about how the game will "never revover"
Bro is speaking facts
The clan he was talking about is INVIL
Might be. I play on EU, but even I have seen INVIL at work.
When (I forgot the context in the video lol)
@@lncomingI believe he’s talking about the FCM Pak 40 story you were talking about in first 1/4 or so of this video 🫡
yes INVIL players are disabled veterans
Don't remember what clan it was, but I know that wasn't it.
I will admit that there are tanks I play that are low tier. Like the Stuart tanks and Scott tanks and Valentine tanks and variants which I like and will play mostly (I miss the tier 1 and 2 battles). I can admit I am apart of the problem, though doing it to get easy kills. No, because I am the 1st to die half the time in one shot. And I used to play WoT's so many years ago. Left and come back here and there. Mostly came back 2 months ago after being done with War Thunder screwing me over for the last time on me not being rewarded a event vehicle I successfully grinded for. And I had noticed, while playing the P26/40 (as I haven't done much playing for console version of WoT). And long story short, being the last person on my team, getting 8 kills and winning. It was a mastary 3 metal... I realized how worst seal clubbing of new players have become compared to last I played being 5 years ago. But I do agree that something needs to change for the funnel becoming a straw... but I also see that... like at the end. How would one fix it? Because you can't really stop the ones who do like beating down the new players. Or even bigger issue in some other games that don't have tiers, which causal players being attacked and beaten down to the competitive players. How can you tell who is casual and who is competitive in that sense?
3 minutes in and you described my world of tanks experience word for word up until the day I finally quit because a panther was pushing my Churchill around and I got a temp ban because I shot him after telling him to leave me alone
Moved on to war thunder -it’s got issues too but I enjoy it - and never looked back.
I wanted to like the game I really really did but 1 bad egg and constantly getting demolished by everyone under the sun for 2 years after my buddy squadded up with me killed any will I had to play.
19:56 simple fix, skill based matchmaking, especially for "problem" tanks.
Wot killed my enthusiasm by making me face countless teir 8 premiums in my stock teir 6, so i never passed teir 6 sherman & t-34 85, so i havent played ages
This is ultimately why I left the game (mostly, I play a little in December). A game I absolutely loved, spent massive ammounts of time on, and thought I'd never leave. The increasingly ridiculous tanks, the lack of diverse gameplay, the extreme costs of staying competitive, the seal clubbing, and the spotting/RNG and HP mechanics just got more and more annoying. I now play War Thunder, which has its own problems, BELIEVE ME, but at least low tier is fun, the gameplay is very diverse, skill matters A LOT more, most vehicles are semi-realistic and their Battle Rating can be adjusted (tiers are very broad categories in WoT and often aren't adjusted), and Gaijin, although reluctant, can often be coerced by the player base to make big and influential changes for the better. WoT really doesn't change much in any attempts to fix their game's problems whatsoever. They found a formula to their game, and they're too scared to change it.
I wish we could go back to WOT 2015, rocking my IS-6. I stopped playing because of power creep, and now I don't want to spoil the fairly good records I have for my tanks...just bring out a pve mode....
end of the vid is so real the tutorial is simply garbage that doesnt teach you anything its just trying to be a historical battle that looks good as advertisement it doesnt teach you anything
and wargaming devs are also mostly bad at their own game
Honestly it just shows how little WG cares about new players. They'd rather keep key info from them if it means that they'll eventually spend money to either get to higher tiers quicker or just to have a fighting chance against seal clubbers
the devs are artillery players thats how good they are at their own game
I love my Pz. II J. I get owned every game by at least one full gold seal clubber in a tank with better armor and double the speed.
pz II j is a cancer tank that cannot be balanced since its gimmick is simple armor its maus at tier III with garbage machinegun
After playing this game for 6 years I left it completely it's been nearly 6 months since I logged in
As someone who has stopped playing in 2021: What the hell happened to these tanks you're facing
Yet another certified Incoming banger
he is most underrated wot channel and i hope it changes soon
I'm one of those sealclubbers who sits in the FCM PAK36 with maxed out crew, food, full equipment and camouflage.
I wouldn't do that if the higher tiers weren't so miserable. I started playing world of tanks 15 years ago and back then there was no premium ammo. Premium ammo makes players who are better stronger, but the bad players who can't afford it get worse. You could always bring up the "git gud" argument but in reality people will not just tank that much frustration. Make the higher tiers more balanced and the players will prefer them over low tiers
Also funny how Author enraging about veterans to not play in lower tiers and in that time slightly evade an economic problem where F2P users just forced to use Tier 4-5 tanks to grind some silver for...tier 8-10. And throught times part of that people jsut understand a simple thing: "I play this game because i want to entertain, and why i should force myself to a high tier circus if i can sit here and just enjoy the process".
But paladin on video just pure soul, and probably didn't understand it either.
Lots of bad players can afford gold in my experience though and most players already play high tiers. Sounds like you just enjoy playing op tank and crushing your enemies.
@@_Daniel_Plainview nah, Not really. It's at least not the whole story. Sure it's fun to get a ton of kills but grinding the top tier is miserable. I started playing 15 years ago but only a few of them were active years where I was playing more than a few matches. I only mentioned that because I know how the game used to be. I have high tiers (Tier 9) but I play somewhere between bad and mediocre which isn't enough to finance anything except the repairs and a few rounds of premium. The dynamics in higher tiers are very different to tier 5 so just playing to get better isn't really an option if you don't have a lot of spare time and want to go up the ranks.
I think it's pretty arrogant of you to say bad players can afford it. It's not like all bad players are rich. You have many people who buy tier 8 premium before they reach tier 5 and then complain but that's a different story
i understand people who only play low tiers because high tiers have become so ass. my favorite tier to play is tier 6-7 because the roles of the tanks and the way the game plays is actually quite unchanged compared to tier 6-7 10 years ago (no 60kmh heavies, no auto reloading italian made-up MBTs; that is, until you get a tier 8 or 9 match)
I stopped playing when they added the weird combo apocalypse tanks. That is when I left. I had many grievances that lead to me leaving. Biggest one being that in competition matches, ALL the tanks but 3 were premiums. So out of 30 tanks. 27 were premiums. That was heart breaking to know what I’m grinding for will never be better than someone who put down money. Made me feel like I was just bait for the premium players.
Edit: For context, I played to the point that I had the British Tier 8 Conqueror (Black Prince was a PoS). I Also had the Fatherland Premium I won from an event. I got to the KV-5 heavy, and the KV-13 from the T-34 line. I had thousands of battles, and even a KV-2 video is my first video on UA-cam. I played a lot, and now I don’t even touch it. I do play World of Warships on Console now, and the “Premium bias” is present, but is not crippling… most days. It is getting worse. Honestly waiting for them to ruin that game too. ATLEAST they hand out more free, or cheap, premiums.
The long 5cm has 130mm pen because they converted only the APCR round to the flat plate Soviet standard. The standard ammo is the 30 degree standard, it should be like 100 or 105mm or something in flate plate. Look up the ammo/gun in WT and you'll see.
The long 7,5cm had the same issue and if I remember correctly it was updated at some point.
The real issue with camo at low tier is stacked brush. It's not obvious just how large and how much brush is between your commander/gunner and potential enemy tanks. One of my recruits is perpetually getting shocked and surprised by how much brush was actually between them.
I hope when Project: Cold War comes out, it won't have the same problem. The game is looking awesome and promising.
The new player burnout you talk about sounds like the opposite of war thunder where the start is great but it becomes more and more painful as time goes on
I tried this game for a month. For context, I played WoT Blitz for over three years. Once I got my first pc, I was ecstatic to try to big brother. I was absolutely bewildered and unprepared. The two biggest things that killed the game for me was the HORRIBLY toxic environment and the lack of any knowledge on how to improve. Now, I'm a roguelite kind of guy. I like games where you suck and suck and suck until you don't. There was no "don't." There was nothing. No players to help, no tutorials, not even comprehensible youtube videos. Thus, I quit. As a matter of fact, I even quit the blitz game after realizing that it was a sadistic money snatcher that took so much of my money. As a brief side note (which I expect nobody to believe but you can check the playstore if you really want), I CAME UP WITH THE ANNIHALTOR TANK MODEL, gave them the idea, and they put it into the game with no credit within a few months of my review. Anyway, that's my tangent done. I will not be touching this game again.
I originally started World of Tanks ( and Blitz ) on 2018. When I started the PC version I stopped playing because I was getting curb stomped by people with more skill and knowledge than I do. Even now I play WoT on and off because I can't progress due to seal clubbers and the lack of any sort of help to learn how to play the game. The farthest I've gotten is tier V in six years. I do like WoT and play it from time to time, but I can't play it actively solely because of the low tier shitters who ruin the game for others. Thanks for making this video and further opening my eyes to how bad the new player experience really is.
P.S.
I hope Eric is doing well.
Seal clubbing was fun before the M18 nerf
Pretty much all of the maps i’ve enjoyed over the years are all gone, Old Highway, dragons ridge just to name two of them. jfc..
I miss the unstructured team battles with tank companies. It was so much fun taking tier 1 tanks against tier 8 tanks. It was hillarious, but also viable. I killed artillery at tier 1 and scouted non viable routes as an early warning system. Was so fun.
Seal clubbers can end up on both teams. And they show new players what is possible.
But there is protective matchmaking.
And getting one shoted/getting one shots is one of the most fun parts of the game.
agreed! The whole concept of collecting tanks and them being tied to essentially an ELO tier is messed up because I can fall in love with an early game tank and I've collected it, but now I can no longer play it because that tier is only for new players. Really a lot of this would be fixed by having skill based matchmaking regardless of tier.
Was grinding the 60TP from 1-10 and was in so much pain until tier 6 with the top gun. So many tanks I can't pen anywhere and had a gun too inaccurate to hit weakspots with, along with embarrasingly low alpha. It didn't take crazy long but it was sad to play..
I did dabble back into WoT YEARS ago, like I think it was when the British tanks were added. Once I hit the first real XP grind of T4 or so I basically saw my XP gain plummet to abysmal levels, why? Well I didn't know the maps, the ranges, the hiding spots, and there were a LOT of clubbers by that point who knew where to snipe from across the map. Can't get XP when you die almost instantly from shots across the map you can't see.
Anyway, I saw some mention in the comments about War Thunder, I did play that a fair bit and got into a habit of clubbing the seal clubbers, leaving new players alone to usually die to AAA or crash but hey they got some extra EXP at least.
Still, I remember getting scouted to join a clan (probably because I whooped their group too hard) and found some of them only wanted to abuse over performing vehicles that were tiered down.
I don't find that play style fun, I liked the challenge but there was one guy who actually spoke his honest opinion about why he wanted to abuse the game. Basically he worked full time and tired from work he just wanted to vent by punching down.
Having worked a lot of rough jobs I do find I'll avoid more competitive gaming because working a sweaty 12hr night shift I don't feel like then doing some sweaty gaming sessions. I won't punch down on other gamers though, morally I find that wrong. There's other games I can unwind on.
just wish I could do 5v5 whenever I want. Most of the maps do not accommodate LARGE engagements, and it's a LOT more exciting to tactically navigate smaller engagements
Played WoT when it just got released from beta. Played through the days of arty that could 1 shot you from the other end of the map. Went up against KV-2’s when it was a tier 5 and had access to the 107. The days before premium ammo was only purchasable with gold and trying to take down type 59s in a tier 6 using only regular ammo. The early days of this game was very fun and addicting, having to learn, memorize tank weak spots, the grind to high tiers seemed to be more rewarding because you learned the strength and weakness of that line. It all started to go down hill for me when they started releasing super fantasy tech tree lines for minor nations, the arty rework, and nerfing of tanks that made them unplayable. When WoWs came out, I decided to put my time and effort into that, and that game is slowly starting to become like WoT, only reason I keep playing it because it has co-op and Operations.
This absolutely needs to be talked about more. WOT is a community sport, and all sports need to be accessible to all who are inexperienced but interested if the sport is going to be sustainable. The low-tier experience is where everyone starts, and while I'll never shame anyone who wants to keep on playing lower tier vehicles I think anyone who is clearly more skilled than their peers needs at least a gentle push to move up and find matches that complement their skill level or ability.
The first thing I think would help this is to extend the new elite-level ranking number to all tiers, to allow everyone to immediately identify the seal-clubbers. Additionally, for tiers 1-5, your vehicle tier and elite level number should have more of an effect on your matchmaking after a determined number of wins. For example, a level 50 player on a tier 5 vehicle may get something like 10 wins per day but then be matched in games at a tier disadvantage.
The cost of higher-tier vehicles and equipment might also be a hindrance for newer players, causing them to lose interest in advancing through the tech trees and to instead "specialise" in particularly overpowered low-tier vehicles. This could be addressed with more events like the "Summer Challenge" set of missions we've just had (Asia server here, but I'm sure everyone else had it). For example, every 2-3 months we get a set of missions that are accessible to players of all skill levels (ie no needing to block 165k damage... you know the one I mean), and if completed within a reasonable time-frame the player earns a popular tier 5 premium tank (preferably with some equipment) that most experienced players already have. That way, more newbies can have a credit-earning crew trainer vehicle without becoming cannon fodder for Defenders and Skorpions. Also, more access to rental tier 6 premiums, to encourage new players to try new things.
I was a big fan of WG extending Battle Pass progression to tier 4-5 vehicles, and I've had a lot of fun going back to some less competitive tier 5 vehicles to grind through the Battle Pass stages faster, but I was shocked at how hostile and hard to play tier 4 felt.
Really great and well thought out video - I wish more CCs talked about these issues more.
thats also why i play in warthunder and WoT die first few tiers.
above tier 5 it turns from a game into tedious work
Ok, WHAT was that shot at 21:16 😂 rng at its finest. - also great video man 👍
Here is my small story of playing game for 12 years, it is quite long, so it's up to you, whoever is reading, to read it or not. Played game since 2012 and only way I became good in the game is learning from other players, it took me years to become good (i started to play well around 2015-16) and understand core mechanics as there were no tutorials what so ever. I loved the game, played clans, teams battles, some tournaments. Loved a bit slower gameplay on tiers 5-7, but at some point I felt like playing against new players is simply unfair even though levels were the most fun for me, because at that time (around 2018), higher level combat and team balancing was just ridiculous. Getting some of my friends to play - was also fun, even taking into account spending a lot of time teaching people, both friends, friends of friends, etc. Some of the tanks became simply toxic as you almost coudn't counter them, however much skill you had (WT E100, Foch 155 with 6 round mag, some other tanks as well). +- 2 (and even more before, like +5 in 2012) when you are a 7th level against Skoda T50, or 8th against pretty much anything of X, you just die. Than physics changed and a lot of other things, trying to fix balance, but the more I played more I felt I am playing loosing side, getting into weaker teams, or even if skill mathched - getting weaker tanks combos. And how to forgot about so famous "random" especially in Ukraine as we heard a lot of memes from russian speaking auditory (till 2014, because afterwars we pretty much splitted, I think obviously why, but stayed at same servers for another 8 years, because there was no option to change region, which made environment EXTREMELY toxic) and developers were part of russiang spaking community, and oh boy there was a lot of memes about random, but now to the facts: +-25% pen and dmg in a lot of cases was a lottery, so however good you were, someone could pen you where it is possible only in case of pen+25 and I didn`t only in case if it was possible of pen-25, also for example I play on T-54 with 330 dmg, getting three average damage of 250, than i get 600+ dmg two times in a row, from some werid 8th tier and pened somehow directly into front of the turret, where it was possible only in case pen+20 (I almost started to belive in conspiracy that the more you pay the more favourable random will be). Now about team balancing, as last drop for me was - 30+ battles over few days where my team haven`t won any time, no matter how good I played (around 3500 avg dmg) and trying to help on a weaker flanks without platoon - you just die eventually. So for me it was situation where - fun level is too easy because people are stuggling, higher levels are complete madness and it tops off with completely unknown how teams will be balanced as there are no ranks, so all the skill level in team is random. My last battle was around 8k dmg on T-54, 9 frags, and getting killed by last tanker from 3 persor platoon of 65% winrate against me (my stats are 26k battles, around 52% winrate, I was not very lucky at the beggining of 2010s))) and having a lot of highly skilled players with balanced damage per team and almost no damage in my team, that was my last battle of daily based palying so far and probably at all. It would be right to call everything above skill issue, because obviously I am not the top rank player, but well above average, so for me it was a question - should I invest even more time to learn and train even more (or maybe I had not enough mental capacity and/or time to invest into the game), while being in toxic environment or just let go, I did the second thing as at that point it was 8 hears of playing and trying and I simply got tired of trying and losing, after that I still come to play and check the game once in a while,play new years events, and watching some videos about state of the game, but that's it for me don't think that I will ever come back to WoT, WT, or any other MMO in the future as my main game. Thanks for the video, you have a great ideas for improving the game and I hope it will improve, as I still think the concept of arcady tank game is great and getting more people to know more about tanks is also great.
Bro is bout to carry on the legacy of Chems, nice vid.
A solution for goldspam would be to drastically reduce the max amount of gold shells players could outfit.
Irrc in WW2 German tungsten core ammo was very scarce.
This would make the proper use of it a skill issue again
The answer is, and always was simple.
Have tanks that are only for training - that you can only play with < x number of games
Ie a specific model tank, where you are only up against that same tank in match making - use this approach for 3 tiers they can play within as they progress - ie the tier 1 model up to 50 games, tier 2 model up to 150 games, tier 3 model up to 500 games, tier 4 model up to 1000 games - play any tier you want when you want, but these trainer models and matches allows them the time to learn dynamics, maps, strategy.
Its easy, and won’t break the tech trees, or mechanics elsewhere - you are playing in tank models and tiers with other players like you in those selected models. Outside of this, the normal mechanics remain.
It won’t happen, but it’s how you fix it.
I quit the game after the clear lack of care, power creep of premiums and lootboxes being introduced into the game. I think the last line that I recall coming out was the Czech heavies and the BS artillery stun changes. Honestly I loved this game and I guess you could say I still do, but man every time I have an itch to come back I remind myself of these problems and how they've gotten worse probably now. Most "the game is dying" videos like you mentioned have the same issue, they fail to address the importance of incoming new players to the ecosystems. While wargaming flushes out their veteran players with the aforementioned problems of monetization/powercreep/imbalances/unfairness, they fail to gain new ones, and that ultimately kills the playerbase, and you are 100% on point, people need to realize this more, great video. I doubt wargaming will ever change and I'll never be back until they do
I think the best way to solve the gold ammo situation is what WOT Blitz did successfully, which is making the prem ammo still more expensive then standard but not by quite as much, and keep it's high pen, but lower the alpha damage to compensate.
As someone who played quite a bit a few years ago and tried to play a few months ago again, a large part for me was the menus on menus and so on, WOT actually made a series on youtube explaining things like sidescraping and shell types but either it's not linked or more likely is hidden behind some menu somewhere