@@PMSleeperAgent I wasted a lot of lunacy trying to get w corp outis and I'm worried I wont be able to get Erlking heatlcliff and will be left with no lunacy at wulpurgisnach
i have no idea what game this is but while browsing r/gachagaming i remember reading something about an 18+ gacha game and how one of the main mechanics was quite literally full out NTR. as in, during pvp matches if you lost then the other player would do the dirty with the units that were on your team and "conquer" them. and hilariously this led to a meta in which players would use teams of male units instead and witness "say gex" because they preferred that over the idea of getting cucked.
Both are bad in its own way,but the fiction one is easier to resolve just make them remember that those characters don’t exist and that virtual things shouldn’t affect you perception of reality
@arthurforni8957 the thing is, these guys know these characters don't exist, it's not a bug, it is a feature for them, it is an escapism that gives them the self fulfilling emotions of a relationship without the commitment of an actual relationship. You can't fix them without addressing the underlying issues that make them go into escapism mode, which can range from abusive families, to mental health issues or them just being terrible people.
@@elisehalflight Or how about soul crushing loneliness, and not being able to live a fulfilling life. I don't think we should say these people are "bad" people just because they are lonely.
People getting mad when their gacha waifu love another fictional character instead of the self-insert protagonist is the funniest thing I've seen in awhile
As a romance enjoyer it really sucks that in gacha games you're either forced to have a harem or watch as everyone else gets into ambiguously romantic relationships with the same gender
Type95 be like: >Manages to be one of the least tactical looking AR on GFL1 (its bad when KLIN manages to look more combat ready than you) >Boring af. (Huhu.. Chinese lady in Chinese dress... hehehehehe ...so good... hihihi) >I literally never used the gun on Bo2 cuz she kicks back like a donkey, and on BF3/4 she's mediocre. >Mediocre on GFL1 too. (Bro her tiles are retarded... Tiles? I mean TILE, not even gonna talk about her skill.) >Her story is fucking boring, "oh look at me I play table guitar and sing local songs" >Has so little tactical value she had to resort back to being a underpaid bar singer cuz nobody wanted to hire her ass for combat contracts. (Fired from G&K cuz she's fucking useless) >Probably been working on a shitty ass rundown bar for 10 years until Raymond started to stir her insides. >Manages to attract a terrorist and once, ONCE in her lifetime she done something useful to society by convincing this fucking virgin ass looser to instead of blowing himself, to blow his seed inside her. Idk bro, if ye a fan of 95's ur just into mediocrity. Good for you ig.
As a Limbus player the Kraust one is just.... God. Imagine being surprised that the ID based on a character who's obsession with Sinclair is half her entire personality ends up being obsessed with Sinclair. some people are just insane.
Honkai bunny girl event mentioned. PTSD activated. I was one of the global players who got our event stripped from us, only to receive a measly 500 gems as compensation, while the CN side who screwed us got a full 2800 or something. Never forgive, never forget.
damn, GFL players couldn't catch a break, first all their friends/waifus leave them and now Mr. chad thundercock himself introduces himself, wallahi they're in shambles
I'm the type of girl to get unreasonable attached to characters, but I think it's insane how just the thought of someone's favorite character interacting with another character is enough to make them feel like they're being cheated on 💀
Even after being in different gacha communities over the years (Arknights, HSR, R:1999) i am still so utterly confused as to how people are so wrapped up in their own obsession that they decide that 1s and 0s are more valuable than flesh and blood Then again, most of those people genuinely need help a lot of the time, so perhaps the obsession is a red flag in the first place
If 177013 can inflict trauma-level damage to some people, I don't see how some other can not get emotional damage when their pixels get NTRed. In a sense, it's more or less a case of developing attachments to some characters. When things like this happen, the head may see it's pointless but the heart won't. And that's the mild case. Severe cases include some radical Japanese idols's fans. And arriving here means you must have an inkling of what I'm saying. But yes. You are right about obsessing over pixels being a red flag. It's usually not that severe tho.
That is not a gacha community problem,while I agree that it has the largest base for that,it’s a lack of social contact problem,vtuber,Twitch,UA-cam all of these create parasocial relationships
@@kingsaul754 ceo of project moon - the people who made limbus company, library of ruina, lobotomy corp, did the most scuffed and genuine livestream where he went over whats gonna be added with a powerpoint and green marker
Some gacha gamers are so down bad it makes me want to get a psychology degree and spend the rest of my life researching why they think the way they do.
Let me save you a lot of time and say that Asian societies are very conducive to the common Joe developing crazy neuroses trying to cope with expectations of everyone around them. Escapism, like say gacha games, helps a little bit, except when it doesn't.
I remember a couple of months ago hearing about an NTR game on the gacha reddit. You would use characters in a PvP game and the winner claims the other players characters and would have a guaranteed sex scene. People didn't like having their female characters taken and used... but there were also guy characters. Everyone used guys. The scene was everytime.
The fact that guy not only thinks Faust is the "main girl" but also thinks Dante is a self-insert, therefore making THEM entitled to... something, by extension? *hurls*
The entire premise of the game introduction is that this "isn't like the other gacha". Half of the cast thinks you are insufficient the other doesn't care.
Dante is the Protagonist AND the Main Girl™ cause why tf they're the one in the logo of the game just like the other poster girls in other gacha games?
Honestly, I'm not sure "NTR controversy" is a fitting description for these situations. NTR would imply that these people were in a relationship with these characters to begin with. And frankly, the logistics dating jpegs aside, I highly doubt that even if these characters are sentient, they would even agree to date these people.
Doesn't matter. These Companies sell these characters on Parasocial Relationships with the players. Nothing is worst than breaking this illusion for them. You may laugh but because people were sold on this illusion. There are consequences.
@@arnowisp6244if theres a community for that i hope games don't cater for it! They aren't losing shit, the community that are for that kind of thing can fuck off and go whack off to rule 34 art instead, games should nurture a community that isn't mentally fucking insane
@@arnowisp6244 It depends on why someone comes into the game, To me, they are not sold on this idea of a parasocial relationship, so much as flowery slot machines with a lot of cute girls. besides, how is 'wants to destroy someone' breaking the illusion? I think the problem is, for the most part, these games are being sold as a sort of collectors paradise, with a lot of women that they let you play pretend with, and then folks get a strange idea of what is allowed in such a scenario. because I swear, 99% of the time 'breaking the illusion' is just 'the women have a personality that isnt submissive and obsessed only with one man the player' Like, use the first one on this very list. Faust. What part of that is ntr. what part of that breaks the illusion of her being able to form a bond with the player? I swear, people in gatcha communities freak out over the stangest things.
As a girls frontline 1 player I can understand why, cause essentially the gfl2 writer(which apparently was fired cause intentional sabotage happened and even Mika had to step in to remove said writer which ain’t even the ones from gfl1)the writer said fuck the entirety of the lore and what happened in the previous game and treat the commander u know the guy that saved the t doll’s ass from being turned into scrap by the military And society multiple times so much that they all had a good relationship with the commander yeh the writer throwed that in the trash, relationship that were well written cause u know they had actual reason to like the commander outside of the classic we like him cause protagonist because in the game u litteraly go through hell and back with them and their trust and loyalty is to the point that to save the commander from a train that was blowing up they fucking suicide charged in to save him and a lot of them temporarily died(cause a lot of dolls had memory back ups problem is well we were close to losing that too which ment perma death for those). So yeh not only did that writer try to sink the game out of personal spite for some reason, but it got other people mad as well other than the waifu type people, i have to give it to them they had an actual reason to be mad
To be fair, GF2 had it coming. Raymond was the breaking point but there were plenty of signs that things would go wrong from the beginning. 1. Terrible dev-player communication. There was a test build that had the fatal bug of wiping the entire disc it's installed on upon uninstall. Practically no compensation was given. 2. Terrible continuation. In case people forgot, that game was a sequel, so they should at least have the decency to not discard the first game's estsblished plot and relationships. 90% of the world treats the girls as expendables and MC's organization is the few, if not only group that treats them as an actual person. A lot of things happened, they fought difficult battles, literally went through hell and back, formed a lot of bonds, grew really close to each other. You don't need to do the romance stuff to grow attached to them. So imagine going through all that and starting the sequel with "4 years later, they all left you." 3. Speaking of romance, it's pretty costly to romance the characters. Rings, dress, proposing etc. all cost actual money, and quite a lot. The delusional incels are their target audience and a major source of the game's income. They spent real money to purchase the characters' love, and expected the game to at least let them keep it. Not that it's healthy or anything, but they did brand it as a major selling point, so you can't really blame the players. And, again, the sequel starts with them all leaving you. So... yeah, that seems self explainatory. These all had a lot of people upset already. And then, at last, Raymond placed the last straw. It was not just a problem of being "ntr-ed by a bunch of pixels", but a result of a ton of underlying problems reaching its breaking point. I'd say the players are justified for getting mad.
@@stellarischloride7522 that's what they should do but no, they had to appeal to incel. I hope there's more ntr so these people will leave every good game.
@@master.baiter2050 So you agree that the fault lies with the devs then. After all, it's them that decided to do incel appeal for quick cash in game one, them who decided to make a sequel, and them who failed to keep up with the expectations of the first game and received backlash. If this game was anything but a sequel to GF1, none of this would have happened, and that's really... kind of sad, in my opinion. I have to say that I'm not defending the incels. I just personally think that the devs brought this upon themselves.
@@NareshSinghOctagon Again, you don't need to know a lot of the plot to know it's a terrible idea to make a sequel for a game with a literal marriage system and wedding skins and have it start with "everyone left you". Besides, the devs hyped it up a lot with the whole "sequel to GF1" thing, it's clear they're trying to aim towards fans of the first game, and given the age of the game, most of them should have at least cleared the main story by now and should understand most of the worldbuilding there is. In the second game, the events of the first game is essentially backstory, and that's a lot of things that do involve the main character. You cannot deny the importance of him during the events of the first game, and by extension, the girls' lives. I stand by my point. GF2 is a ticking time bomb waiting to be set off sooner or later. Something is going to go wrong eventually.
I find it even more funny that in response. FGO literally made a unit with the "Anti-NTR" mechanic with the new beast unit, Summer Eresh. Where her newest ability only works with you and you can't use it if you use someone elses.
Tbh people forget that gacha games are aimed at coomers, parasocial addicts and lonely men's. Is not rocket science to know why people get mad at ntr situations.
But tbh man, blue archive have a pretty good story. Well for me and some other people of course. I won't force other to like it since to make someone like the story need to be genuine!
Still didnt expect Project Moon fans to be mad at Kromer Faust. Like i didnt know project moon fans were coomers in the first place since the gameplay is kinda challenging and most coomers dont do challenging gameplay. I guess you could debate that limbus is kinda easier
The last thing I expected from this video was actual NTR in a gacha game’s plot. It also just feels off that they decided that’s what they should do during their 2nd anniversary, especially since I’m pretty sure that an anniversary might attract newer players who’d see whatever that was as one of their early impressions of their game.
for a bit context on the guardian tales part, It wasn't the mc(player) that got cucked but another playable character(monk cyborg). So basically, the players got mad not because they got cucked (cause they weren't) but the fact that they needed to add an ntr plotline in the anniversary character's story no less. While guardian tales does have a lot of darker themes(genocide, murder, war crimes, etc), having scenes like ntr and possibly non consensual relationships does leave a bad taste in the mouth.
The set up for whole GFL 2 controversy has me head scratching... So they give players waifus, make money of players purchasing oath rings and wedding dresses, probably the most earning comes from this, "they went their seperate ways" ???? Honestly, I'm surprised that fans (whales especially) of the first game even wanted to pick up the second one, I mean, put your mockery aside for a minute and imagine that you grow attached to character and you indulge in fantasy of being with said character... then narrator tells you went your seperate ways, not even remaining in contact. Sure, IRL the relationship isn't real, just like the characters, but the fantasy was big part of the game. It's like the person who wrote story for GFL 2 wasn't informed who was probably the biggest source of money for the first game. Or they did and went out of their way to spite their cashcows.
At this point, GFL player's base is there because of the story; for GFL community that's the main thing, during the main story on the first game it's almost sure that things won't end well. By that time it's confirmed that G&K, the PMC, is not the same after Griffin (the person, not the group) sieze the power for his party. In the community it's a concensous that this "drama" was something from bad faith.
From what I have read, it appears that the devs kept making slight references to insult the CN player base during this whole ordeal as well, and chinese players tend to be more extreme when things like this happens.
You have to be delusional to think oathing dolls is in any way canon or that you deserve to have the dolls still oathed when switching games (GFL2 didn't even have oath system at launch).
Actually Guardian Tales' ntr story has a continuation, where the cyborg beats the absolute living shit out of the son of his ex-girlfriend. The cyborg also gets a waifu apprentice.
Revenge is bad plots often forgets the subject of the revenge often has done something that warrants that revenge and is evil outside that something and should be stopped. I'd really like to know what the hell everything involved was thinking to have letting the villain get away with everything he did in that story and that made the MC the better person was thinking.
my main issue with ntr in games is if you're going to make a character love another character, don't make them so overtly flirty to the point where it feels like they could be in a relationship with the mc and then suddenly change that personality and go for another person and completely forget about the mc and all that they've been through. simply just make them characters who happen to be friends or co workers and nothing more. easy problem solved i despise ntr.
Just don't approach NTR, problem solved, devs need to stop self-inserting their fantasy to a gacha players who are maidenless, like duh that's the reason people played gacha in the first place. The whole thing is dumb af because the devs start the fire. This is why BA is so popular successful and on top of the hill to a point of overthworing the Korean government (yeah no joke), since they don't have other male characters.
@PutraRhm I don't mind the self insert if it is well placed in the story. For example, I wouldn't mind if canonically firefly from honkai star rail actually became the mc's girlfriend or something because, unlike other characters, Firefly shows the most interest and intimate moments with the Mc. The rest of the roster only act like good friends or companions.
@@WizardDog829 I mean the self-insert of the filth and unhealthy stuff like NTR, Japan and Chinese devs love this kind of stuff and they're self inserting it on their works.
The guardian tales one is especially nuts because it really came out of nowhere. The stories in GT are all about a dumb faced knight and princess saving the world while everything/everyone is stuck in this prophecies stuff, mixed with random references to anything you can think of and surprisingly really heartfelt moments. Why Chun released with that story is still a mystery, cos it's never happened before/after. The most recent main story chapter is basically a Rocky movie mixed with My Hero Acadamia for gods sake. Hopefully this doesn't give GT too bad of an impression because 99.99% of the stories in that game are top notch. The season 1 ending is well known for making everyone start crying
Its usually the CN gacha community making mountains out of mole hills, I'd understand why they were upset if it was actual NTR, nobody likes getting attached to a character only to be given the middle finger. The CN gacha community has way too much sway over some of these games, I want to see male and female characters interacting with each other but apparently just talking to each other is somehow NTR, it's annoying and limits the creative freedom these games could have.
sadly your not wrong, most of it is because the studios for these games are in china (therefore there in stabbing distance.) or the CN playerbase are the biggest spenders.
@@fruitjuice225 The GFL 2 drama could be avoided if CN lost their server and Mica spent money on a global test server. No more bullshit from CN, they aren't even the biggest spenders anymore, KR and Global overtook them 3 years ago
The big reasom why talking to other men is such a huge problem. Is because thats how most Shippers come to light. This escapism CN players don't want to see their twitter feed filled with fan shipping of characters. They would honestly be fine with any talking but its because they can't stay safe with no Dumb shipper deciding to make a Normal conversation between a girl and a dude as a normal conversation. And instead turn it into a ship. Turns in Self insert CN fans be so defensive about it. Which yeah, this will never happen unless its done correctly. Or have enough fans getting used to it. Hoyoverse have a pretty good community co existing but at the same time having tiny civil wars.
As an attack helicopter, I will rent a billboard truck because Granblue Fantasy only have alien, bird, and fish as a gender while discriminating us bathtub toasters.
@@Franz0818 LOL TRUE THE COMPANY EVEN DOUBLED DOWN BY GIVING YOU A TOOTHBRUSH WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A REFERENCE TO A SEX JOKE YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
Funny that you should mention Granblue Fantasy. That game is already full of NTR, with a number of romantic relationships between characters who aren't the self-insert protagonist, and even more romantic innuendo that doesn't evolve into relationships. While there are still a number of characters with romantic feelings towards the self-insert protagonist, the number of characters who NTR the protagonist with a different character are growing in number.
@@highoverseer9323 Since when has that stopped anyone from feeling like they're NTR'd by such relationships? So long as there is a self-insert protagonist, there will always be players who will feel like Aliza (for example) should have hooked up with Grandjeeta, rather than Stan. It's a fundamental issue with any self-insert gacha game.
@@Lynemn But... Aliza is introduced in an event where it's very clear that she and Stan have mutual crushes on each other. Expecting Grandjeeta to NTR Stan is absolutely wild.
The Raymond drama is golden I seen the comments from Chinese nationalists that believe that it’s western infiltration that would collapse China like how the USSR collapsed. I will never understand how people get so possessive of fictional characters I understand the design of self insert protagonist but never understood how people see themselves as them. Personally I’m not a fan of bland self insert main characters most of the time.
Well it’s easy when mc doesn’t have voice or face. You literally are part of the story. I find it less interesting too ngl It also very often feels very manipulative. You see them very blatantly try to create para social relationship with intent to get more money out of you. My fave gachas used to or have specific mc. Be it Reverse 1999’s Vertin or Hi3’s Kiana
@@SlavoidUkrI mean, have you played the game? There's a lot of personality for your so-called blank sheet, there's even Gentiane and the collection of commanders in the manga. And why spend money on rings? You literally get them for free, even Kalina says that they're not real marriage rings but just more upgrades. And besides, when a community which has paid rings, actual marriage, and even permadeath for your units (Kancolle), received a protag in season 2 of the anime. Literally no one cried. It's just CN schizo-posting
@@SlavoidUkr Ras developpment in Epic seven first episodes. In this game girls in relationship dont even stop lewd for them. these gacha gamers are pathetic . and most Self insert protagonist even in GBF are boring
It's just me or almost the whole AK community want to see our ops get married😂😂😂.... Let me check the marriage event list... Hmmm Okey first day is Noir and Yato, second is Vivi and Nearly, 3rd Uncle Mylnar X Penance, One_eye_spy with vtuber and ex girlfriend, Eunectes andddd Lancet-2??? .... Huh weird, Lumen X Irene (note: don't let miss Laurentina know this) ...uff there is too much...wait??? texas and exu (lappland gonna be mad for that).....and the last one... Ouh Mudrock and Logos...haaa they sure grow up very fast☺️
Man... parasocial situations like this are... scary. At first they are funny, you just cant believe how people can get at that point, then you see that they are completely serious, then they started harassing creators and anyone they slightly disagree with... then you look at idol culture... and things stopped being just scary and become terrifying. There is something deeply wrong in those communities, and... we kinda know a few of those problems, economy, social circumstances and whatnot, but... i still don't feel that those can explain how many people react like that.
After watching this video, I'm so glad that PM didn't make Heathcliff have any spurious relationships that would strain his relationship with Dante. Bold of them to adapt Wuthering Heights without Cathy but probably a smart decision.
Tbh if they made the guy who married Cathy just as despicable as the senior brother in guardian tales, with Heathcliff not doing anything about it in the end, then I can see PM fans going crazy over it. Even if ___ was never even there.
The only good thing to come out of the rewrite they've started this year. Not saying the game is bad (how could I do that after spending way too much money on skins for my future wives), but the entire story just turned into a mess after they went harem route. Especially since the old story is still present in the game
@thebigsam well what do you expect from a gacha game that went full on degen after it was dying? Not to mention other Gachas are following what snowbreak is doing like Azur Lane where can interact with the waifus and touch them because it sells. Which everyone is calling it the "Snowbreak Effect".
@@Jojo_Schmo Azur Lane already teasing about the 3D dorm way before Snowpeak changed their trajectory into an Ecchi game, but since the amount of number of characters in Azur lane they take alot of times to do so (also some game engine tweaks they need to do to implement 3D on a 2D game)
F/GO players when the husband/wife of a waifu is becoming summonable: A. "Pack it up everyone, be respectable here." B. "Player three has joined the game. Release Sita from arcade hell Lasangel!
Honestly the game should either go full on parasocial gf/bf self insert like ba or azurlane that makes the character really into mc, or makes the character vary in relationships like fgo. Making it a parasocial gf/bf experience yet making the relationship between character and the mc vary is a root for drama And i noticed this cuck drama happen a lot in Chinese not sure what that means but there must be a reason
I'm not really sure for the last one because I've read that gender war in CN are no joke. I've only read one side so this is all I can get. Basically in CN there's extremist feminist behind the writing team that make female character abandoning mc (the player) for the npc because the mc is basically players to self insert. Now they're into CN gacha market, the male players become extremist and abandoned any games if the female character were into npc. Then this happened. That's all I got. Maybe anyone who knows about CN can tell everything below?
@@Rainin.7dang that is a good theory I thought that is because the Chinese are actually into ntr since a lot of china artist that I follow are into ntr and blacked,
@@Rainin.7i say it stems mostly from the 1 child policy in CN which then makes it unequal with amount of men and women in CN. And why most people there are scared of NTR is because there aren´t as many women to go after as the amount of men there are in CN, and that makes it super competative in CN.
Go full paradocial is very dangerous. Both for reputation of company online or well, people can try to harm employees Fgo is kinda weird because girls are usually parasocial but not guys. Very biased
My sides fucking hurt, I witnessed every "NTR" drama there was in the gacha, I can't help it, the emotions of pain you feel from it is the most joyous feeling there is, in fact: "Waiter! Waiter! More of 'People getting cucked by fictional characters' please!"
I disagree. I mean I dislike people harassing others over fictional characters but I personally feel like bad about people feeling betrayed over their passion
The collab outrage is stupid but how is it surprising that people dislike not being the main guy in a waifu collection gacha game, especially when these games are made for that exact purpose. Atleast quite a lot of them, I'd say that few like Limbus Company or Arknights are more around the world building but you have to be lying if you say you play Azure Lane for the story.
Exactly! These games are built on the parasocial nature of collecting cute/sexy anime girls who fall in love with you. That’s the ENTIRE point of the genre and what the developers bank on!
To this day my favourite story is the one from the Circe fan from FGO who max bonded her and was crushed because the game released Odysseus and his event was basically him with amnesia and Circe trying to make him fell in love with for her Tbh, we're talking about a Gacha game with canon couples or romantic interests and where less than half of the characters have romantic feelings for the MC (yeah, porn lied to those "fans") And then we have the lionman incident which is it's own can of worms
maaaan thar circe incident was too fun too see it that poor guy get soo mad over an anime png i remember when i see the post thinking it was bait but it wasn't xd
Honestly, the saddest part of that whole story (or funny, depending on your point of view) is that it was a preemptive breakdown released in the lead up to the event. Dude wasn't lying about having abandonment issues, if just the possibility of a fictional character fictionally giving attention to another piece of fiction sets them off like that.
Nah but the worst part is that they just HAD to chose the CN anniversary unit for it (for anyone unaware, they release specific units for the CN server anniversary as a celebration gift, so it's kind of a special thing for them... and they made him a fucking NTR victim lmao)
Not to mention that Chun Ryeo ( Da Monk Cyborg ) lost his credibility, status and even a functioning body. Only with that was enough to make a good story, the NTR part was like shooting someone in a wheelchair and then beat him
I mean why make a gacha waifu focus game then sneakily add NTR into the game. Make a game like FGO were there already male and female character already made. The Girl Frontline one is understandable because that gacha game is supposed to be a waifu collecter gacha game just like azur lane.
I remember one of the memory rescue mission on PGR that they kinda hinted that watanabe and bianca could be a thing, i remember being like "Oh, we taking the haters to lovers route?" I didn't care, tho bianca is one if not, my favorite character, I wasn't losing my mind over something so silly, it's sad that people can't understand that what's on their screen is nothing more than fiction.
Gacha players when their favorite fictional character doesn't love them because they have a canon relationship with another fictional character: 🤯🤯🤯 In the case of n faust i just find that copypasta really funny lmfao
Ling Yi of Snowbreak: I was a bit of a dick to Beta Adjutant and a maybe flirty with the girls but Fenny definitely hates that.... even most of the girls Raymond: We're not the same, you kinda had it coming but it's your writers fault. Ling Yi: Well, they pretty much erased me and took all my traits to the new Adjutant...
What saddens me the most with these types of behaviors is that the gacha gaming "ecosystem" suffers immensely as a result. Authors are now incredibly wary of anything that may spark outrage choosing not to tackle certain topics. This is why I've really come to like Hoyo for HSR and ZZZ as their games feature male and female characters interacting as well as multiple storylines that intersect making their characters and world feel more alive than something like Blue Archive where we're still waiting to know how the world and many basic things work even after nearing 4 years. I know this is a long shot but I'd like to see more mature stories in my gacha games, as I become older, always reading the same kind of feelgood stories or hyper tragic tales is getting really boring.
Honestly, even as shipper I have NO IDEA how someone can be more delusional than me 😭 Like yeah, I ship fictional characters but that's it? I know they're fictional characters and just narrative tools.
You know, I'm starting to think that Lowlight and co. moved away from GFL to make Arknights because they fear of what they had created. Meanwhile in Arknights, people don't mind getting their Mudrock NTR'd in exchange for Logos' mom. Or Nearl the NTR for her aunt. Or Exusiai by her squadmates for the memes. Treats the grand elder Kalt'sit as DaughterWife depending on the day. While making two Skadi's for the sake of raising her as a new age god while employing several lore-related Theocrats.
Reverse Collapse is not the spin-off. Reverse Collapse : Codename Bakery is the remake of the 2013 tactical grid based game "Codename : Bakery Girl",which is itself a massive overhaul of MICA Teams' first game,the 2009 kinetic visual novel "Girl Of The Bakehouse". Girls' Frontline is the prequel to the 2013 game,it's entire lore is built up off what Bakery Girl established,so if anything,Girls' Frontline is the spin-off and GF2:E is even more so a spin-off. And with how well made Reverse Collapse is,those crappy attempts on Steam were quickly demolished,and served to be the biggest indicator of just how non-genuine the CN tourists were when it came to the GF2:E drama. The final nail in the coffin is the global release for GF2:E,we will finally avenge our innocent chad Raymond once and for all.
@@defaulted9485The thing with AK is if u read Operator files or events u’d know who have some semblance of feelings to the Doc and the numbers are only in the single digits from a roster of over 200.Most just think of doc as just a colleague and that’s why most of the community doesn’t mind other ships.Unlike many other games where every single waifu is hellbent on the mc.
I feel like its worth noting that the Guardian Tales one was for the anniversary in China specifically. They were even the only people allowed to play him for a while. I repeat: This NTR backstory was given to a character meant to be an anniversary gift to the players on the CHINESE servers. Who thought this was a good idea?
This situation has actually led to the revival of Snowbreak, whose devs promised no NTR, female characters only (they removed initial male NPCs), and all characters are s*x slaves of the player.
@@kogorunthey're actually pretty shill , that is , as far as the global community go , for more context the beta playable male char was like a senpai that the main waifus of the game looked up to and was like a rival to the mc that slowly would become their friend and ally and (maybe) a optional romantic partner , just like how it goes for the other characters as well , he had some gameplay bugs and was planned for later patches , there was also another male character planned to be on release but prior to that the cn review bombed the game wich made devs totally delete the character and forget about the other one , the playerbase slowly became more gooner focused and so was the game and it worked well , Snowbreak would be a totally different game if it wasn't it's horrendous launch state and degen cn players
Fiction can really grab people. One of the most actually high scale public ones as of late is with that furiosa movie. The main villain of that does such a good job that the film directors had to come out and say that he is just playing a character. He is not this guy. Do not harass him. Because random people the street would just come up to him to do that stuff.
The best way to describe this situation to me is "Shameful but not unexpected". What can you expect from a type of game derivative of Visual Novels? Genre that in itself was in part created to take advantage of the loneliness of men.
Raymond was the most funniest one bro wasn't even in the game and everyone still got mad Edit: for people who want to learn about Raymond thing, Just watch Eango video ( it's link under this video magicly) but in short Raymond was a NPC was friends with type 95 who was a quite popular character in the first game but later Raymond got remove from the game when it got release but people still got mad when they find out she was friends with guy who wasn't even in the game anymore
Raymond wasnt even dating Type 95 in the beta in the original script , they were work colleages at best or friends if you stretch it abit , no dating or romance was hinted at all but someone took that NTR story and ran with it and everyone else jumped at that bandwagon for some reason without checking for it themselves
I hardly comment on videos, but I want to express that I'm really glad how you acknowledge the power of fiction in real life and not just went with the "pixel waifutards dumb" argument as a lot of people do. Probably the only video that I've seen about this topic that tries to teach how we should live and let live, yet we must always draw a limit in our fun, if it becomes a toxic behavior. I personally don't enjoy self-inserting, but if someone can enjoy their favorite character without making a fuss out of it, that's completely great. Loved your opinions and introspective, thanks for your hardwork in the video!
I literarily had to stop what I was doing and look at my second screen where you are being played when you mentioned : "A Protest Truck" I was like: "A what now?
21:45 I would like to express my condolences, not only would it be common courtesy to do so, to you for undertaking this endeavour. Take care of yourself, Tsunul.
Tbh completely frank with GFL2 drama it makes sense while for the PGR content made by the fans made me sad because abit due to how it's not their fault, they can ship what they like just don't make it headcannon like GFL2 literally my god the NTR was so crazy it's like I'm watching another story of a girl I had a crush on fall inlove, date and stuff and whoever like NTR literally and say it's not a problem, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Normalising NTR will disensitised you from loyalty, hope, and love literally. If you can't understand the issue we have nothing to talk about lol FYI imagine you spend 5k on a girl you like and she literally date another guy that's not you despite saying they love you that's how it feels imho
There is dumb unnecessary anger like the BA case and justified anger for the GF2 case, a blatant cheating that happens to your MC is called being cucked no matter how you swing it, Western players are coping to justified this disgusting way of viewing a relationship. Gacha is made for no-life basement dwellers, you can't sit there and tell me the reason you play is not because of the anime girls' allure, bs is written all over your face. If you see many (like this comment section) justifying cheating then the chances are they're a loser cuck or just coping.
Bro is a year younger than me, good video btw, the CN players need some love in their lives, I mean I am a waifu enjoyer but these players are unhinged
just before even watching the video I can say alone from the title that you gotta understand these people don't really have anybody so they turn to fictional characters for love and see themselves as their husband/wife/bf/gf whatever essentially being in a relationship with them as their sort of escapism from reality so you end up with crazy insane stories like these. I can't laugh I may chuckle at times but its truly sad.
Why can't all gacha drama be like this. You can laugh and enjoy the dumpster fire that's happening and have a good time. Meanwhile you get a gacha from hoyo, or anything that somehow gets hoyo fans involved and its anarchy and feels like in your in an active military zone. Mfs will really be picked fights over the smallest and the most useless things, or a group of people or even just a single person will just be blatantly wrong but there's enough of them where it causes a headache just trying to understand wtf is going on. Hoyo shippers alone looking like the 4th Reich, so if you don't fall in like your getting jumped. It makes it even worse there division between them, so anything you say is gonna get you shot. Thanks for listening to my rant on how hoyo sucks. I needed the vent, and thanks for other gacha game fandoms for being stupid but in a funny way.
Since you covered the GFL2 drama would you be willing to make a video about Snowbreak Containment Zone and how it's become a refugee zone for GFL2's audience?
I think the only one is a translation for one of the character bond stories that mention the girl already having "experience" with many men. Even with that (Cause you basically become her friend with benefits anyways), I think Shift Up does a good job making clear distinctions on what type of relationship a character has with MC through their Bond Story.
I was expecting a honorable mention to the Fate/GO NTR doujin of Mash & Gilgamesh that enraged the whole comunity regardless of the fact that it was an NTR Doujin and not oficial
15:00 Even I did not know this PGR drama. 😂 Gotta say though, the CN side of literally every CN-made gacha is insane. Great video btw! You're content is underrated.
Oh yeah I remember the guardian tales controversy back then. It was funny as shit because it’s such a dogshit plot almost every single ntr fantasy game uses. Mainly rpg maker Ntr games too. And the thing about that is there’s one that reminds me of that plot. Which is kinda recent game called dark hero party I think where dude is ntr’d just like the monk (love interest is preggers), but there’s a separate bad or true ending depending on who you ask where the mc just kills her ass and the guy who cucked you as well. Shit was a ride. I was losing my shit. Only ntr game to have this type of kill everyone ending is this game which is crazy.
In response to the Blue Archive x Mahjong. They just didn't jong hard enough. Didn't even know about the damn truck. Guarentee they didn't feel immediate regret renting that out. Gacha whales can be a whole other species.
Kinda dumb that they wanted to force people to change their character's gender just to progress for a bunch of event characters. Especially for Granblue Fantasy collab with Love live... It's just beyond dumb. It's flipping fiction and yet Japanese fans are usually one of the more crazier fans when it comes to their own games. The Bang Dream stuff is also kind of a highlight to IRL stuff as well. Cover which is a company that has "idols" Vtubers have both Males and Females talents. But for reasons is that they don't really interact all that much. They do still interact. But Funny thing about the JP side is that the JP side don't interact with each other that much unless they are of the same gender. So far only the EN male side Interact more with the EN and ID female side. For Cover, They are perfectly fine with talents actually having a relationship outside of their "job" or inside. (?) So the issue at hand is kind of an actual issue with idol culture in Japan. Where actual idols aren't actually allowed to be in any relationship once they signed a contract. Female idols have it worst. And then we have any CN created games where the players themselves are usually the ones to be blamed for. I feel like GFL1 still have more potential to be continued but the creation of GFL2 makes it like a COD game which is fine but issue like you said stance from them not even properly following the story at all. I feel like they should have waited before actually developing GFL2.
ntr, and cheating in general is a kink that's generally frown upon by most if not all cultures especially china who are extremely traditional in their beliefs(same goes to pretty much any nation except for the US and western Europe as cheating there is basically so normalized every second couple does that). as far as i'm concerned if a fictional character is canonically in a relationship, their relationship is well known within the story or plot and has been since their introduction or developed feelings to another character throughout the story thats fine. For me personally, cheating in storytelling is something i generally distance myself from just as much as i distance myself from it in real life but you won't see me going absolutely batshit crazy over it. At the end of the day it's just fiction and it's not like these waifus were truly yours or you know... alive, on that matter in the first place so are you even being cheated on? By what? ink on a sheet of paper? Ultimately, it's a problem of loneliness and if people had their significant others in real life people wouldn't develop feelings towards fictional characters nearly as much but alas, the way we progress and interact as species leaves a lot to be desired and regrettably, the problem will only get worse as nobody really wants to sit down and truly talk about this problem so we as humanity could come up with a way to address loneliness issue and find a solution.
People are mad about their character getting NTR-ed with MC of the collab, while FGO literally has doujin that tells other master NTR-ed a dedicated Servant with the support system
13:40 Played the game a couple of years back and I enjoyed it, and also I've shipped Watanabe and Biancha ever since the game's release and it's pretty obvious that both of them had a thing going in their character story. I'm surprised everyone just found that out and started hating Kuro, since their relationship is already established.
![A "Brief" Guide to Refraction Railway 4 [Limbus Company]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZSuLBBYIwEk/mqdefault.jpg)
I thank the lord I’m mentally stable enough to where I can identify fiction as fiction
Identity?
@Roland... its just fiction, ids aren't real , wake up wake up wake.... IS THAT N FAUST?! OMG MAH WAIFU
proceeds to distort*
"It's just a drawing" mfs when their favourite PNG speaks to another PNG that appears to be the opposite sex (or sometimes the same sex, actually).
@@PMSleeperAgent I wasted a lot of lunacy trying to get w corp outis and I'm worried I wont be able to get Erlking heatlcliff and will be left with no lunacy at wulpurgisnach
Finally
I am so glad that the "I'm dropping this game" guy had such a beautiful moment of character development. We should give this guy an entire Canto
Hi mister Welvader.
He developed in the opposite direction.
recovered from distortion and manifested ego
Mf is Dongrang but reverse.
He's still a disgusting anti-chatacter relationship gacha player who self inserts. Ewie.
i have no idea what game this is but while browsing r/gachagaming i remember reading something about an 18+ gacha game and how one of the main mechanics was quite literally full out NTR. as in, during pvp matches if you lost then the other player would do the dirty with the units that were on your team and "conquer" them. and hilariously this led to a meta in which players would use teams of male units instead and witness "say gex" because they preferred that over the idea of getting cucked.
Forget calling people gay on xbox live, this game let's you create *proof* and show it to them. Absolutely brilliant.
I NEEX TO KNOW WHAT THIS GAME IS!
@cdrom1718 did some digging and the game is Orisries.
ah yes, i only deploy guys so they get fucked instead of the waifus.
alright fine i like seeing them get fucked too-
This is the funniest thing I've read all day 😂
Starting to feel like im at my limit
Limit? Like Epic Battle Fantasy's limit breaks????
Cuteness overload
@@unclekanethetiberiummain1994 holy moly is that ebf reference!?!?!?
Distort
Are you gonna show me your sword collection?@@unclekanethetiberiummain1994
As weird as it is, I find these people obsessing over fictional characters preferable to obsessing over real ones
I mean, I'd argue it's far more ethical.
@@InfinitySevens Absolutely
Both are bad in its own way,but the fiction one is easier to resolve just make them remember that those characters don’t exist and that virtual things shouldn’t affect you perception of reality
@arthurforni8957 the thing is, these guys know these characters don't exist, it's not a bug, it is a feature for them, it is an escapism that gives them the self fulfilling emotions of a relationship without the commitment of an actual relationship. You can't fix them without addressing the underlying issues that make them go into escapism mode, which can range from abusive families, to mental health issues or them just being terrible people.
@@elisehalflight Or how about soul crushing loneliness, and not being able to live a fulfilling life. I don't think we should say these people are "bad" people just because they are lonely.
Random fun fact: Nearl in Arknight and Don Quixote has the same Korean VA.
The NTR title isn't only for Nearl.
I need art of Nearl acting like Don now. XD
Poor Margaret getting stuck with such an awful nickname for such a wholesome character.
DTR
Her Japanese VA is the same of Prinz eugen and Yae Miko
Nearly is gonna ask where her armor is and just see Don running with Rochinante at a nearby enemy
People getting mad when their gacha waifu love another fictional character instead of the self-insert protagonist is the funniest thing I've seen in awhile
out of your containment again?
Punishing bird telling them the truth they dont want to hear as punishment 🙏
@@aeea3306he uses his mouth not to bite people but to spit facts🗣
Gacha players when a character that doesn’t exist enter a relationship with another character that doesn’t exist:😡😡😡😡
multishipper won't have this problem
Meanwhile me at FGO: trying to unite husband and wife so they can be happy
waiting for yoshinaka in fgo
And being their 24/7 marriage counselor in Siegfried and Kriemhild's case.
@@aetherdraw I'll just watch the fun quarrel from the side unless things get real bad. Unlike Sigurd, Siegfried doesn't have guts lmao
As a romance enjoyer it really sucks that in gacha games you're either forced to have a harem or watch as everyone else gets into ambiguously romantic relationships with the same gender
Until Gilgamesh enters the room...
Don't make fun of the guy who married Hatsune Miku. At least he can seperate fiction and reality. It's not hurting anyone so let the man be happy.
Let that man be happy 😭
hey you also have a username with straw and have a senti pfp thats yatta
ALL HAIL THE HERRSCHER OF SENTIENCE!
YATTA
YATTA!!!
"JESSE DON'T SEARCH UP ANYTHING RELATED TO TYPE-95"
"Yo Mistah White, who the hell is this Raymond guy?"
Meanwhile KSVK enjoyers, "Mod 3 and ringed and had kids. So Duschevnaya, did you wanna meet this James from your previous life?"
Type95 be like:
>Manages to be one of the least tactical looking AR on GFL1 (its bad when KLIN manages to look more combat ready than you)
>Boring af. (Huhu.. Chinese lady in Chinese dress... hehehehehe ...so good... hihihi)
>I literally never used the gun on Bo2 cuz she kicks back like a donkey, and on BF3/4 she's mediocre.
>Mediocre on GFL1 too. (Bro her tiles are retarded... Tiles? I mean TILE, not even gonna talk about her skill.)
>Her story is fucking boring, "oh look at me I play table guitar and sing local songs"
>Has so little tactical value she had to resort back to being a underpaid bar singer cuz nobody wanted to hire her ass for combat contracts. (Fired from G&K cuz she's fucking useless)
>Probably been working on a shitty ass rundown bar for 10 years until Raymond started to stir her insides.
>Manages to attract a terrorist and once, ONCE in her lifetime she done something useful to society by convincing this fucking virgin ass looser to instead of blowing himself, to blow his seed inside her.
Idk bro, if ye a fan of 95's ur just into mediocrity. Good for you ig.
As a Limbus player the Kraust one is just.... God. Imagine being surprised that the ID based on a character who's obsession with Sinclair is half her entire personality ends up being obsessed with Sinclair. some people are just insane.
I'm glad I can distinguish reality and fiction, I literally held pixels, their life and death.
Honkai bunny girl event mentioned. PTSD activated. I was one of the global players who got our event stripped from us, only to receive a measly 500 gems as compensation, while the CN side who screwed us got a full 2800 or something. Never forgive, never forget.
Never forget who actually pays the bills, and it's never global. There's a reason honkai gakuen is still open in china and japan but not here.
(Old Joseph Joestar voice): "I'll never forgive the Chinese!"
don't forget just who is physically and mentally COMPLETELY ABLE to pull up to their office with the most nonyoutibe safe words intentions.
@@johnnywakeup5515+2
damn, GFL players couldn't catch a break, first all their friends/waifus leave them and now Mr. chad thundercock himself introduces himself, wallahi they're in shambles
Every time GFL makes me depressed, I think of a box of IDWs looking up at me with needy eyes, and I remember what’s we’re fighting for again.
@@elathiaskade7311 speak for yourself. 5-7 is everything good and right in the world and is my sole motivation to log in every year or so
I'm the type of girl to get unreasonable attached to characters, but I think it's insane how just the thought of someone's favorite character interacting with another character is enough to make them feel like they're being cheated on 💀
I'm just happy ny Waifu is being SEEN frfr
Something is going on in their heads and it's nothing good.
I feel you so hard aargh
I do like my waifus too but simply interacting with other characters shouldn't count as cheating in the first place
@@fanatix3089 Fr, people need to understand that their waifus aren't real and it's technically impossible for them to cheat 😭😭
Even after being in different gacha communities over the years (Arknights, HSR, R:1999) i am still so utterly confused as to how people are so wrapped up in their own obsession that they decide that 1s and 0s are more valuable than flesh and blood
Then again, most of those people genuinely need help a lot of the time, so perhaps the obsession is a red flag in the first place
could call it a Blind(ing) Obsession
If 177013 can inflict trauma-level damage to some people, I don't see how some other can not get emotional damage when their pixels get NTRed.
In a sense, it's more or less a case of developing attachments to some characters. When things like this happen, the head may see it's pointless but the heart won't. And that's the mild case. Severe cases include some radical Japanese idols's fans. And arriving here means you must have an inkling of what I'm saying.
But yes. You are right about obsessing over pixels being a red flag. It's usually not that severe tho.
I agree
That is not a gacha community problem,while I agree that it has the largest base for that,it’s a lack of social contact problem,vtuber,Twitch,UA-cam all of these create parasocial relationships
@@arthurforni8957 My dude, those are paraSOCIAL relationship issues.
A png waifu can't even be that.
Right after John Limbus streams
I'm at my limit 😢
yooo lunacy
me need more
we uploading straight after the goofy goober kim ji hoon stream with this one 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Goofy Goober is Kim’s E.G.O
Please give context.
@@kingsaul754 You wouldn't believe it anyway
@@kingsaul754 during a limbus stream after our Erlking ID was finally revealed, kim showed his doggo vtuber model. I am not joking..
@@kingsaul754 ceo of project moon - the people who made limbus company, library of ruina, lobotomy corp, did the most scuffed and genuine livestream where he went over whats gonna be added with a powerpoint and green marker
Some gacha gamers are so down bad it makes me want to get a psychology degree and spend the rest of my life researching why they think the way they do.
They might enjoy answering surveys, I guess it fits their type, go and try sending them "Google forms" in the meantime.
Its what lack of poon does to a man
Let me save you a lot of time and say that Asian societies are very conducive to the common Joe developing crazy neuroses trying to cope with expectations of everyone around them.
Escapism, like say gacha games, helps a little bit, except when it doesn't.
@@alanthieris4447 What about the Western gacha players though(of which I'm am one of)?
@@danck941 An easy outlet for horni thoughts that pop media is trying real hard to shame us into not thinking.
I remember a couple of months ago hearing about an NTR game on the gacha reddit. You would use characters in a PvP game and the winner claims the other players characters and would have a guaranteed sex scene. People didn't like having their female characters taken and used... but there were also guy characters. Everyone used guys. The scene was everytime.
Orisries?
Peak gaming right there
The fact that guy not only thinks Faust is the "main girl" but also thinks Dante is a self-insert, therefore making THEM entitled to... something, by extension? *hurls*
The main girl is Vergilius
The entire premise of the game introduction is that this "isn't like the other gacha".
Half of the cast thinks you are insufficient the other doesn't care.
lmao i always thought if anything, outis is the main girl
Vergilius is obv the main girl
Dante is the Protagonist AND the Main Girl™ cause why tf they're the one in the logo of the game just like the other poster girls in other gacha games?
Honestly, I'm not sure "NTR controversy" is a fitting description for these situations. NTR would imply that these people were in a relationship with these characters to begin with. And frankly, the logistics dating jpegs aside, I highly doubt that even if these characters are sentient, they would even agree to date these people.
Doesn't matter. These Companies sell these characters on Parasocial Relationships with the players. Nothing is worst than breaking this illusion for them.
You may laugh but because people were sold on this illusion. There are consequences.
@@arnowisp6244if theres a community for that i hope games don't cater for it! They aren't losing shit, the community that are for that kind of thing can fuck off and go whack off to rule 34 art instead, games should nurture a community that isn't mentally fucking insane
@@arnowisp6244it’s hilarious and not worth take seriously at all
@@arnowisp6244 my dude just no
@@arnowisp6244 It depends on why someone comes into the game, To me, they are not sold on this idea of a parasocial relationship, so much as flowery slot machines with a lot of cute girls.
besides, how is 'wants to destroy someone' breaking the illusion?
I think the problem is, for the most part, these games are being sold as a sort of collectors paradise, with a lot of women that they let you play pretend with, and then folks get a strange idea of what is allowed in such a scenario. because I swear, 99% of the time 'breaking the illusion' is just 'the women have a personality that isnt submissive and obsessed only with one man the player'
Like, use the first one on this very list. Faust. What part of that is ntr. what part of that breaks the illusion of her being able to form a bond with the player? I swear, people in gatcha communities freak out over the stangest things.
As a girls frontline 1 player I can understand why, cause essentially the gfl2 writer(which apparently was fired cause intentional sabotage happened and even Mika had to step in to remove said writer which ain’t even the ones from gfl1)the writer said fuck the entirety of the lore and what happened in the previous game and treat the commander u know the guy that saved the t doll’s ass from being turned into scrap by the military And society multiple times so much that they all had a good relationship with the commander yeh the writer throwed that in the trash, relationship that were well written cause u know they had actual reason to like the commander outside of the classic we like him cause protagonist because in the game u litteraly go through hell and back with them and their trust and loyalty is to the point that to save the commander from a train that was blowing up they fucking suicide charged in to save him and a lot of them temporarily died(cause a lot of dolls had memory back ups problem is well we were close to losing that too which ment perma death for those). So yeh not only did that writer try to sink the game out of personal spite for some reason, but it got other people mad as well other than the waifu type people, i have to give it to them they had an actual reason to be mad
That's the one thing people tend to overlook with the GFL2 NTR drama. It actually has lore and isn't just player mad because waifu like someone else.
@@overlordshiina yeh exacly
@@overlordshiinaThose are literally two separate dramas, don't lump us with CN self-made cucks
It's crazy how these modern series (games and movies) keep hiring writers that ruin the series almost intentionally.
@@MALICEM12I mean, I really didn't see this happening before
Players getting mad that female characters EXIST in a universe with male characters is genuinely insane. Like, you need a clinical assessment insane
CN IS that kind of insane. 😂
@@arnowisp6244 that one child policy start kicking in lol
@@noidea357 Honestly, they'd probably start fucking their sisters the second they lift that law, lmao
More like males exist in the same universe as these females. You got it backwards. Agree with the last sentence all the same.
Tsunul uploading after Kim Limbus does his class presentation is crazy, I am starting to feel like I'm at my limit
To be fair, GF2 had it coming. Raymond was the breaking point but there were plenty of signs that things would go wrong from the beginning.
1. Terrible dev-player communication. There was a test build that had the fatal bug of wiping the entire disc it's installed on upon uninstall. Practically no compensation was given.
2. Terrible continuation. In case people forgot, that game was a sequel, so they should at least have the decency to not discard the first game's estsblished plot and relationships. 90% of the world treats the girls as expendables and MC's organization is the few, if not only group that treats them as an actual person. A lot of things happened, they fought difficult battles, literally went through hell and back, formed a lot of bonds, grew really close to each other. You don't need to do the romance stuff to grow attached to them. So imagine going through all that and starting the sequel with "4 years later, they all left you."
3. Speaking of romance, it's pretty costly to romance the characters. Rings, dress, proposing etc. all cost actual money, and quite a lot. The delusional incels are their target audience and a major source of the game's income. They spent real money to purchase the characters' love, and expected the game to at least let them keep it. Not that it's healthy or anything, but they did brand it as a major selling point, so you can't really blame the players. And, again, the sequel starts with them all leaving you. So... yeah, that seems self explainatory.
These all had a lot of people upset already. And then, at last, Raymond placed the last straw. It was not just a problem of being "ntr-ed by a bunch of pixels", but a result of a ton of underlying problems reaching its breaking point. I'd say the players are justified for getting mad.
Imagine defending incel 😂 gfl fan had it coming
@@master.baiter2050 Maybe don't make a game targeted towards these people then?
@@stellarischloride7522 that's what they should do but no, they had to appeal to incel. I hope there's more ntr so these people will leave every good game.
@@master.baiter2050 So you agree that the fault lies with the devs then. After all, it's them that decided to do incel appeal for quick cash in game one, them who decided to make a sequel, and them who failed to keep up with the expectations of the first game and received backlash. If this game was anything but a sequel to GF1, none of this would have happened, and that's really... kind of sad, in my opinion.
I have to say that I'm not defending the incels. I just personally think that the devs brought this upon themselves.
@@NareshSinghOctagon Again, you don't need to know a lot of the plot to know it's a terrible idea to make a sequel for a game with a literal marriage system and wedding skins and have it start with "everyone left you". Besides, the devs hyped it up a lot with the whole "sequel to GF1" thing, it's clear they're trying to aim towards fans of the first game, and given the age of the game, most of them should have at least cleared the main story by now and should understand most of the worldbuilding there is.
In the second game, the events of the first game is essentially backstory, and that's a lot of things that do involve the main character. You cannot deny the importance of him during the events of the first game, and by extension, the girls' lives.
I stand by my point. GF2 is a ticking time bomb waiting to be set off sooner or later. Something is going to go wrong eventually.
I love being able to differentiate fiction and reality while also being able to have crushes on characters.
I find it even more funny that in response.
FGO literally made a unit with the "Anti-NTR" mechanic with the new beast unit, Summer Eresh. Where her newest ability only works with you and you can't use it if you use someone elses.
Tbh people forget that gacha games are aimed at coomers, parasocial addicts and lonely men's. Is not rocket science to know why people get mad at ntr situations.
People don't play blue archive for the story. You are a disingenuous liar if you disagreed with this.
@@judashentairoite8225 I'm afraid that I'm actually that disingenuous liar you are talking about
@@judashentairoite8225 me: came for the meme, stayed for the story👍
But tbh man, blue archive have a pretty good story. Well for me and some other people of course. I won't force other to like it since to make someone like the story need to be genuine!
Still didnt expect Project Moon fans to be mad at Kromer Faust. Like i didnt know project moon fans were coomers in the first place since the gameplay is kinda challenging and most coomers dont do challenging gameplay. I guess you could debate that limbus is kinda easier
12:24 He has no enemies. Nobody has no enemies.
He doesn't have a wife anymore either, but he mainly has no enemies.
She does get a hot waifu disciple later on
11:34 decides to save others but doesn't bother to check the sect for how many people the senior brother must have killed and made suffer...
The last thing I expected from this video was actual NTR in a gacha game’s plot. It also just feels off that they decided that’s what they should do during their 2nd anniversary, especially since I’m pretty sure that an anniversary might attract newer players who’d see whatever that was as one of their early impressions of their game.
Someone forgot to put the boner down while writing
for a bit context on the guardian tales part, It wasn't the mc(player) that got cucked but another playable character(monk cyborg). So basically, the players got mad not because they got cucked (cause they weren't) but the fact that they needed to add an ntr plotline in the anniversary character's story no less.
While guardian tales does have a lot of darker themes(genocide, murder, war crimes, etc), having scenes like ntr and possibly non consensual relationships does leave a bad taste in the mouth.
It's the most justified rage in the video. Like, it's just bad writing overall. And it has to happens at the anniversary as well...
The set up for whole GFL 2 controversy has me head scratching...
So they give players waifus,
make money of players purchasing oath rings and wedding dresses, probably the most earning comes from this,
"they went their seperate ways"
????
Honestly, I'm surprised that fans (whales especially) of the first game even wanted to pick up the second one,
I mean, put your mockery aside for a minute and imagine that you grow attached to character and you indulge in fantasy of being with said character... then narrator tells you went your seperate ways, not even remaining in contact. Sure, IRL the relationship isn't real, just like the characters, but the fantasy was big part of the game.
It's like the person who wrote story for GFL 2 wasn't informed who was probably the biggest source of money for the first game. Or they did and went out of their way to spite their cashcows.
At this point, GFL player's base is there because of the story; for GFL community that's the main thing, during the main story on the first game it's almost sure that things won't end well. By that time it's confirmed that G&K, the PMC, is not the same after Griffin (the person, not the group) sieze the power for his party. In the community it's a concensous that this "drama" was something from bad faith.
Wow that sucks, can you imagine having the canon saying your waifu divorced you, that suvks
From what I have read, it appears that the devs kept making slight references to insult the CN player base during this whole ordeal as well, and chinese players tend to be more extreme when things like this happens.
@@FRGBlackBurni mean, they're just searching for problems then
You have to be delusional to think oathing dolls is in any way canon or that you deserve to have the dolls still oathed when switching games (GFL2 didn't even have oath system at launch).
Actually Guardian Tales' ntr story has a continuation, where the cyborg beats the absolute living shit out of the son of his ex-girlfriend. The cyborg also gets a waifu apprentice.
Revenge is bad plots often forgets the subject of the revenge often has done something that warrants that revenge and is evil outside that something and should be stopped. I'd really like to know what the hell everything involved was thinking to have letting the villain get away with everything he did in that story and that made the MC the better person was thinking.
I mean it doesn't matter how hard he beat the son, he still got cucked lmao
Wait this actually happened in guardian tales? I haven't played that game in years(is future princess still in the meta?)
@@fittedurge4763only got nerf slightly but still good
Wow, that story is ass.
my main issue with ntr in games is if you're going to make a character love another character, don't make them so overtly flirty to the point where it feels like they could be in a relationship with the mc and then suddenly change that personality and go for another person and completely forget about the mc and all that they've been through. simply just make them characters who happen to be friends or co workers and nothing more. easy problem solved i despise ntr.
Just don't approach NTR, problem solved, devs need to stop self-inserting their fantasy to a gacha players who are maidenless, like duh that's the reason people played gacha in the first place.
The whole thing is dumb af because the devs start the fire. This is why BA is so popular successful and on top of the hill to a point of overthworing the Korean government (yeah no joke), since they don't have other male characters.
@PutraRhm I don't mind the self insert if it is well placed in the story. For example, I wouldn't mind if canonically firefly from honkai star rail actually became the mc's girlfriend or something because, unlike other characters, Firefly shows the most interest and intimate moments with the Mc. The rest of the roster only act like good friends or companions.
This is honestly my take on the girlfrontline 2 situation.
@@WizardDog829 I mean the self-insert of the filth and unhealthy stuff like NTR, Japan and Chinese devs love this kind of stuff and they're self inserting it on their works.
Yeah like people fall in love to jpegs like who doesn't have anime waifus and their character mc is a self insert in the game
The guardian tales one is especially nuts because it really came out of nowhere.
The stories in GT are all about a dumb faced knight and princess saving the world while everything/everyone is stuck in this prophecies stuff, mixed with random references to anything you can think of and surprisingly really heartfelt moments.
Why Chun released with that story is still a mystery, cos it's never happened before/after.
The most recent main story chapter is basically a Rocky movie mixed with My Hero Acadamia for gods sake.
Hopefully this doesn't give GT too bad of an impression because 99.99% of the stories in that game are top notch. The season 1 ending is well known for making everyone start crying
Its usually the CN gacha community making mountains out of mole hills, I'd understand why they were upset if it was actual NTR, nobody likes getting attached to a character only to be given the middle finger.
The CN gacha community has way too much sway over some of these games, I want to see male and female characters interacting with each other but apparently just talking to each other is somehow NTR, it's annoying and limits the creative freedom these games could have.
sadly your not wrong, most of it is because the studios for these games are in china (therefore there in stabbing distance.) or the CN playerbase are the biggest spenders.
CoughSnowbreakCough
@@fruitjuice225 The GFL 2 drama could be avoided if CN lost their server and Mica spent money on a global test server.
No more bullshit from CN, they aren't even the biggest spenders anymore, KR and Global overtook them 3 years ago
The big reasom why talking to other men is such a huge problem.
Is because thats how most Shippers come to light. This escapism CN players don't want to see their twitter feed filled with fan shipping of characters.
They would honestly be fine with any talking but its because they can't stay safe with no Dumb shipper deciding to make a Normal conversation between a girl and a dude as a normal conversation.
And instead turn it into a ship. Turns in Self insert CN fans be so defensive about it.
Which yeah, this will never happen unless its done correctly. Or have enough fans getting used to it.
Hoyoverse have a pretty good community co existing but at the same time having tiny civil wars.
@@iskoconquers As a Chenxing enjoyer, it is so fucking hurt...
0:52 imagine unirronically thinking that Faust would be your waifu and would IRL love you '-'
Especially Ncorp faust
Yeah, good luck with that
I see the vision, as a female gacha player I will now rent a protest bus every time its implied the self-insert is male
Shoutouts to androgynous MCs, gotta be my favourite gender.
@@InfinitySevensor the lack of
@@arthurforni8957 True!
As an attack helicopter, I will rent a billboard truck because Granblue Fantasy only have alien, bird, and fish as a gender while discriminating us bathtub toasters.
@@defaulted9485 One joke.
Why was the biggest surprise in this video was Tsunul saying he's 21 years old?
Mf I thought you in your late 20's
Same, I'm 24 and hearing that one of the people I watch is younger than me gave me whiplash
To me it's weird since apparently we're basically the same age, yet I thought he was like 10-15 years older than me.
No fr I thought he was around 25. I'm 28 and shook that he's only US drinking age.
I thought he was 29 or 19
20 or 19 I meant
Ain’t no way someone made an actual ntr Doujinshi featuring Raymond LOL, that’s the icing on the cake for me
Lmao, that’s just a huge middle finger
@@Franz0818 LOL TRUE THE COMPANY EVEN DOUBLED DOWN BY GIVING YOU A TOOTHBRUSH WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A REFERENCE TO A SEX JOKE YOU CANNOT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
Joke and cope all they like while losing their main players, they dig their own grave.
@@PutraRhm it was definitely worth it tho that’s the funniest shit I’ve seen out of the gacha communities
@@misterzonkier5524 Even though I don't play the game, you're being weird since I don't see this NTR stuff as "funny", it's unhealthy and degen.
Funny that you should mention Granblue Fantasy. That game is already full of NTR, with a number of romantic relationships between characters who aren't the self-insert protagonist, and even more romantic innuendo that doesn't evolve into relationships. While there are still a number of characters with romantic feelings towards the self-insert protagonist, the number of characters who NTR the protagonist with a different character are growing in number.
i wouldn't say NTR, the majority of them are just characters that have pre-existing relationships or were already set up to have them
@@highoverseer9323 Since when has that stopped anyone from feeling like they're NTR'd by such relationships? So long as there is a self-insert protagonist, there will always be players who will feel like Aliza (for example) should have hooked up with Grandjeeta, rather than Stan. It's a fundamental issue with any self-insert gacha game.
@@Lynemn But... Aliza is introduced in an event where it's very clear that she and Stan have mutual crushes on each other. Expecting Grandjeeta to NTR Stan is absolutely wild.
The Raymond drama is golden I seen the comments from Chinese nationalists that believe that it’s western infiltration that would collapse China like how the USSR collapsed.
I will never understand how people get so possessive of fictional characters I understand the design of self insert protagonist but never understood how people see themselves as them. Personally I’m not a fan of bland self insert main characters most of the time.
Well it’s easy when mc doesn’t have voice or face. You literally are part of the story.
I find it less interesting too ngl It also very often feels very manipulative. You see them very blatantly try to create para social relationship with intent to get more money out of you.
My fave gachas used to or have specific mc. Be it Reverse 1999’s Vertin or Hi3’s Kiana
HOLY s%@T
I dislike blank MCs too. I play games for the stories and characters. It's not interesting if they just put me in the shoes of some blank fuck.
@@SlavoidUkrI mean, have you played the game? There's a lot of personality for your so-called blank sheet, there's even Gentiane and the collection of commanders in the manga.
And why spend money on rings? You literally get them for free, even Kalina says that they're not real marriage rings but just more upgrades.
And besides, when a community which has paid rings, actual marriage, and even permadeath for your units (Kancolle), received a protag in season 2 of the anime. Literally no one cried. It's just CN schizo-posting
@@SlavoidUkr Ras developpment in Epic seven first episodes. In this game girls in relationship dont even stop lewd for them. these gacha gamers are pathetic . and most Self insert protagonist even in GBF are boring
And then there's Arknights when we want Noir Corne and Yato to get married 😊... Or Hoederer and Ines 🤷♀️
I personally want Hoederer to be in a relationship with Eureka
@@elisehalflightHoederer, Manfred and Ines in a polycule. Hoederer is the bottom.
@@Latency345 Oh hell yeah, poly representation and great trouple dynamics? I'm sold!
Dammit noir just go there and propose gonna feed you to the seaborn if you don't
It's just me or almost the whole AK community want to see our ops get married😂😂😂.... Let me check the marriage event list... Hmmm
Okey first day is Noir and Yato, second is Vivi and Nearly, 3rd Uncle Mylnar X Penance, One_eye_spy with vtuber and ex girlfriend, Eunectes andddd Lancet-2??? .... Huh weird, Lumen X Irene (note: don't let miss Laurentina know this) ...uff there is too much...wait??? texas and exu (lappland gonna be mad for that).....and the last one... Ouh Mudrock and Logos...haaa they sure grow up very fast☺️
Man... parasocial situations like this are... scary.
At first they are funny, you just cant believe how people can get at that point, then you see that they are completely serious, then they started harassing creators and anyone they slightly disagree with... then you look at idol culture... and things stopped being just scary and become terrifying.
There is something deeply wrong in those communities, and... we kinda know a few of those problems, economy, social circumstances and whatnot, but... i still don't feel that those can explain how many people react like that.
After watching this video, I'm so glad that PM didn't make Heathcliff have any spurious relationships that would strain his relationship with Dante. Bold of them to adapt Wuthering Heights without Cathy but probably a smart decision.
Who is this _____ you are talking about? I never seem to actually remember a persona named that...
Heathcliff still loves Cathy and has no romantic interest in dante and none of the sinner has
Tbh if they made the guy who married Cathy just as despicable as the senior brother in guardian tales, with Heathcliff not doing anything about it in the end, then I can see PM fans going crazy over it.
Even if ___ was never even there.
@@reddytoplay9188Your comment made me think of the shipping fandom instead of self-inserts, oh boy they aren't any better 😭
I dont see mentally unstable people being an ahole, i see very VERY lonely people trying to defend the last thing they have left
Maybe they should try weed.
Now I'm just imagining the mahjong soul guy being a master of Rizz charming women from all sorts of franchises with his amazing mahjong skills.
Akagi ? Or the MC ?
@@nguyenhuutrung3413 i mean the MC.
Meanwhile in Snowbreak: Containment Zone - "Marriage is Canon"
The only good thing to come out of the rewrite they've started this year. Not saying the game is bad (how could I do that after spending way too much money on skins for my future wives), but the entire story just turned into a mess after they went harem route. Especially since the old story is still present in the game
@thebigsam well what do you expect from a gacha game that went full on degen after it was dying? Not to mention other Gachas are following what snowbreak is doing like Azur Lane where can interact with the waifus and touch them because it sells. Which everyone is calling it the "Snowbreak Effect".
@@Jojo_Schmo Snoebreak didn't invent dorms (GFL2 had it before us). But interactive scenes? Yeah, we did those.
Snowpeak
@@Jojo_Schmo Azur Lane already teasing about the 3D dorm way before Snowpeak changed their trajectory into an Ecchi game, but since the amount of number of characters in Azur lane they take alot of times to do so (also some game engine tweaks they need to do to implement 3D on a 2D game)
Im just impressed at how tsunul didnt distort yet considering the shit he needs to search for these videos
he has seen enough and pass his limit
@@mitacestalia7532he has e.g.o
He manifested EGO and is now immune
He resisted Carmen
F/GO players when the husband/wife of a waifu is becoming summonable:
A. "Pack it up everyone, be respectable here."
B. "Player three has joined the game.
Release Sita from arcade hell Lasangel!
Saw some guys on Discord debating if it's wrong to love engaged fictional characters (specifically Kriemhild in this case as she just released)
Agree, my boi Rama deserves to be with his wife
AND RUGGIERO TOO! AND YOSHINAKA!
C'mon, Rama and Bradamante and Tomoe deserve their other half! 😭
Honestly the game should either go full on parasocial gf/bf self insert like ba or azurlane that makes the character really into mc, or makes the character vary in relationships like fgo. Making it a parasocial gf/bf experience yet making the relationship between character and the mc vary is a root for drama
And i noticed this cuck drama happen a lot in Chinese not sure what that means but there must be a reason
Is because prostitution and cheating is rampant in China. (In Japan too)
I'm not really sure for the last one because I've read that gender war in CN are no joke.
I've only read one side so this is all I can get.
Basically in CN there's extremist feminist behind the writing team that make female character abandoning mc (the player) for the npc because the mc is basically players to self insert. Now they're into CN gacha market, the male players become extremist and abandoned any games if the female character were into npc. Then this happened.
That's all I got. Maybe anyone who knows about CN can tell everything below?
@@Rainin.7dang that is a good theory I thought that is because the Chinese are actually into ntr since a lot of china artist that I follow are into ntr and blacked,
@@Rainin.7i say it stems mostly from the 1 child policy in CN which then makes it unequal with amount of men and women in CN. And why most people there are scared of NTR is because there aren´t as many women to go after as the amount of men there are in CN, and that makes it super competative in CN.
Go full paradocial is very dangerous. Both for reputation of company online or well, people can try to harm employees
Fgo is kinda weird because girls are usually parasocial but not guys. Very biased
My sides fucking hurt, I witnessed every "NTR" drama there was in the gacha, I can't help it, the emotions of pain you feel from it is the most joyous feeling there is, in fact:
"Waiter! Waiter! More of 'People getting cucked by fictional characters' please!"
Honestly, same. I can't feel anything but malicious joy seeing this.
@@shakirashipslied9721 mood kindred!
I disagree. I mean I dislike people harassing others over fictional characters but I personally feel like bad about people feeling betrayed over their passion
@@fearlessslayer341When it's this unhinged and embarrassing it's hard to pity
@@TrippaGuvna there room for one more? I wanna ride your ride.
The collab outrage is stupid but how is it surprising that people dislike not being the main guy in a waifu collection gacha game, especially when these games are made for that exact purpose. Atleast quite a lot of them, I'd say that few like Limbus Company or Arknights are more around the world building but you have to be lying if you say you play Azure Lane for the story.
THIS, these basement dwellers are just coping.
Exactly! These games are built on the parasocial nature of collecting cute/sexy anime girls who fall in love with you. That’s the ENTIRE point of the genre and what the developers bank on!
the raymond thundercock part sent me. I thank you for introducing me to this amazing plot I hope it turns into a book and becomes a cultural classic
To this day my favourite story is the one from the Circe fan from FGO who max bonded her and was crushed because the game released Odysseus and his event was basically him with amnesia and Circe trying to make him fell in love with for her
Tbh, we're talking about a Gacha game with canon couples or romantic interests and where less than half of the characters have romantic feelings for the MC (yeah, porn lied to those "fans")
And then we have the lionman incident which is it's own can of worms
FGO fans when a new waifu is released:
"DOES SHE HAVE HUSBAND IN REAL HISTORY???"
> is genderbent
"LET'S GOOOOO"
thing is fate has a multiverse and alternate realities so anything is possible
maaaan thar circe incident was too fun too see it that poor guy get soo mad over an anime png i remember when i see the post thinking it was bait but it wasn't xd
That was a good story.
Honestly, the saddest part of that whole story (or funny, depending on your point of view) is that it was a preemptive breakdown released in the lead up to the event. Dude wasn't lying about having abandonment issues, if just the possibility of a fictional character fictionally giving attention to another piece of fiction sets them off like that.
As someone who's a huge fan and played guardian tales since the beginning
Yeah that ntr drama was wild
Nah but the worst part is that they just HAD to chose the CN anniversary unit for it (for anyone unaware, they release specific units for the CN server anniversary as a celebration gift, so it's kind of a special thing for them... and they made him a fucking NTR victim lmao)
@@obamabinladen1855 shit was so obviously wrong and they still went "mmmm yeah this is fine" 😭
@@obamabinladen1855 though he did get a hot waifu disciple later on
Not to mention that Chun Ryeo ( Da Monk Cyborg ) lost his credibility, status and even a functioning body. Only with that was enough to make a good story, the NTR part was like shooting someone in a wheelchair and then beat him
I mean why make a gacha waifu focus game then sneakily add NTR into the game. Make a game like FGO were there already male and female character already made. The Girl Frontline one is understandable because that gacha game is supposed to be a waifu collecter gacha game just like azur lane.
I'm just sadden by the fact that I'll probably never read a piece of fiction that would be as good as the Raymond Saga. Fiction peaked too soon
I remember one of the memory rescue mission on PGR that they kinda hinted that watanabe and bianca could be a thing, i remember being like "Oh, we taking the haters to lovers route?" I didn't care, tho bianca is one if not, my favorite character, I wasn't losing my mind over something so silly, it's sad that people can't understand that what's on their screen is nothing more than fiction.
Gacha players when their favorite fictional character doesn't love them because they have a canon relationship with another fictional character: 🤯🤯🤯
In the case of n faust i just find that copypasta really funny lmfao
Wowie zowie almost the EXACT same comment with little differentiating it…. How original.
Sometimes I wonder why some people are allowed to have access to the internet when shit like this happens.
Catherine: "First time?"
Raymond: "At least you had a lore reason, they just did it to me cuz fanboys raged!"
Erlking Heath :
" CATHERINE ‼️"
@@bimoprasetyo6862 Catherine: Silence, you still exist but you forgot about me.
Ling Yi of Snowbreak: I was a bit of a dick to Beta Adjutant and a maybe flirty with the girls but Fenny definitely hates that.... even most of the girls
Raymond: We're not the same, you kinda had it coming but it's your writers fault.
Ling Yi: Well, they pretty much erased me and took all my traits to the new Adjutant...
@@iskoconquers At this point there should be a Fan Convention only for erased/banned/super-not-canon characters only.
What saddens me the most with these types of behaviors is that the gacha gaming "ecosystem" suffers immensely as a result. Authors are now incredibly wary of anything that may spark outrage choosing not to tackle certain topics. This is why I've really come to like Hoyo for HSR and ZZZ as their games feature male and female characters interacting as well as multiple storylines that intersect making their characters and world feel more alive than something like Blue Archive where we're still waiting to know how the world and many basic things work even after nearing 4 years.
I know this is a long shot but I'd like to see more mature stories in my gacha games, as I become older, always reading the same kind of feelgood stories or hyper tragic tales is getting really boring.
Speaking of Hoyo and HSR, i don't want waifus OR their version of a more mature story. I just want to know how celestial jade is played.
@@yaelz6043 its mahjong
Then there's HI3 which is a whole other can of worms lmao
Honestly, even as shipper I have NO IDEA how someone can be more delusional than me 😭
Like yeah, I ship fictional characters but that's it? I know they're fictional characters and just narrative tools.
Then you know how delusional self insert are compare to shippers
@@master.baiter2050from my experience they’re usually chill NOW THIS is different level of insanity
@@master.baiter2050Ain’t no way a shipper is calling self inserters delusional. 💀
Don't you have an artist to abuse and threaten for drawing a hetero ship? Get off your high horse lol.
@@lucasLSDWhat does this comment even mean
the gfl2 shit so crazy people from cn started review bombing that game that was from the same devs reverse collapse too
Genshin players review bombing google classrooms over the game 💀
Yeah and it financially damaged them. And lead to Snowbreak rising once they saw an opportunity to sell their girls to the former Gfl2 players.
You know, I'm starting to think that Lowlight and co. moved away from GFL to make Arknights because they fear of what they had created.
Meanwhile in Arknights, people don't mind getting their Mudrock NTR'd in exchange for Logos' mom. Or Nearl the NTR for her aunt. Or Exusiai by her squadmates for the memes. Treats the grand elder Kalt'sit as DaughterWife depending on the day. While making two Skadi's for the sake of raising her as a new age god while employing several lore-related Theocrats.
Reverse Collapse is not the spin-off.
Reverse Collapse : Codename Bakery is the remake of the 2013 tactical grid based game "Codename : Bakery Girl",which is itself a massive overhaul of MICA Teams' first game,the 2009 kinetic visual novel "Girl Of The Bakehouse".
Girls' Frontline is the prequel to the 2013 game,it's entire lore is built up off what Bakery Girl established,so if anything,Girls' Frontline is the spin-off and GF2:E is even more so a spin-off.
And with how well made Reverse Collapse is,those crappy attempts on Steam were quickly demolished,and served to be the biggest indicator of just how non-genuine the CN tourists were when it came to the GF2:E drama.
The final nail in the coffin is the global release for GF2:E,we will finally avenge our innocent chad Raymond once and for all.
@@defaulted9485The thing with AK is if u read Operator files or events u’d know who have some semblance of feelings to the Doc and the numbers are only in the single digits from a roster of over 200.Most just think of doc as just a colleague and that’s why most of the community doesn’t mind other ships.Unlike many other games where every single waifu is hellbent on the mc.
gang, if your waifu is in "love" with a person in an alternate universe of infinite possibilities, is it really ntr?
Self shippers should embrace multiverse theory /hj
Then call me erlking heathcliff because god with how many possibility are there, I'll never reach her...
@@lhobang oh, round and round we go
HOLDING ON TO PAIN
@@jacobmaitland3613 In an alternate universe, do you think they'd still be your "waifu" to begin with?
The blue archive and mahjong soul one was always funny to me like how are you (mahjong) NTR'ing yourself (sensei)
I feel like its worth noting that the Guardian Tales one was for the anniversary in China specifically. They were even the only people allowed to play him for a while.
I repeat: This NTR backstory was given to a character meant to be an anniversary gift to the players on the CHINESE servers. Who thought this was a good idea?
This situation has actually led to the revival of Snowbreak, whose devs promised no NTR, female characters only (they removed initial male NPCs), and all characters are s*x slaves of the player.
Lmao bad game desperate for money they turned it into more terrible game. I'm disappointed the game is full of greasy incel
They're doing good business-wise, so they're trying just hard enough. I don't really want to know the Snowbreak players, though.
@@kogorunthey're actually pretty shill , that is , as far as the global community go , for more context the beta playable male char was like a senpai that the main waifus of the game looked up to and was like a rival to the mc that slowly would become their friend and ally and (maybe) a optional romantic partner , just like how it goes for the other characters as well , he had some gameplay bugs and was planned for later patches , there was also another male character planned to be on release but prior to that the cn review bombed the game wich made devs totally delete the character and forget about the other one , the playerbase slowly became more gooner focused and so was the game and it worked well , Snowbreak would be a totally different game if it wasn't it's horrendous launch state and degen cn players
yeah and that type of audience are the ones that will have a meltdown over a npc male character
@@MoonCheesy game have been ruined by anti woke snowflake
Fiction can really grab people. One of the most actually high scale public ones as of late is with that furiosa movie. The main villain of that does such a good job that the film directors had to come out and say that he is just playing a character. He is not this guy. Do not harass him. Because random people the street would just come up to him to do that stuff.
Isnt the same thing happen with the actor that play the role of Joffrey in GOT
@@Sky_Eden Yup, or the person who voiced Abbey from TLoU 2.
The story in guardian tales doesn't actually end there.
There's a side story.Where the senior and group basically fell apart
The side focuses on another character and they met Chun ryeo
And at the end of the story Chun ryeo takes them as their disciple
Okay that side story where the senior and group fell apart is nice one. Makes the story less awful since the senior brother gets his karma
The best way to describe this situation to me is "Shameful but not unexpected".
What can you expect from a type of game derivative of Visual Novels?
Genre that in itself was in part created to take advantage of the loneliness of men.
Raymond was the most funniest one
bro wasn't even in the game and everyone still got mad
Edit: for people who want to learn about Raymond thing, Just watch Eango video ( it's link under this video magicly) but in short Raymond was a NPC was friends with type 95 who was a quite popular character in the first game but later Raymond got remove from the game when it got release but people still got mad when they find out she was friends with guy who wasn't even in the game anymore
Who’s that character on the right of the thumbnail?Which franchise she’s from?
@@MinhucVoPham The one with Raymond on her eyes is from Girls Frontline
@@MinhucVoPham her name is type 95 if your wondering
@@Needmclovin girl frontline 2*
Yes she from the first game as well but all ntr bs started in the 2nd game so lol
Raymond wasnt even dating Type 95 in the beta in the original script , they were work colleages at best or friends if you stretch it abit , no dating or romance was hinted at all but someone took that NTR story and ran with it and everyone else jumped at that bandwagon for some reason without checking for it themselves
I hardly comment on videos, but I want to express that I'm really glad how you acknowledge the power of fiction in real life and not just went with the "pixel waifutards dumb" argument as a lot of people do. Probably the only video that I've seen about this topic that tries to teach how we should live and let live, yet we must always draw a limit in our fun, if it becomes a toxic behavior. I personally don't enjoy self-inserting, but if someone can enjoy their favorite character without making a fuss out of it, that's completely great.
Loved your opinions and introspective, thanks for your hardwork in the video!
I literarily had to stop what I was doing and look at my second screen where you are being played when you mentioned : "A Protest Truck"
I was like: "A what now?
“The protest truck” is something I’m so happy exists
21:45 I would like to express my condolences, not only would it be common courtesy to do so, to you for undertaking this endeavour. Take care of yourself, Tsunul.
gacha players when they realize theres another player playing their game and rizzing the same characters they rizzed: 😡
I’ve seen this exact same comment multiple times now.. and it continues to be less and less funny and irritating the more I see it.
@@lenarmangum8630 damn and to think i was the first, guess im not on the internet enough
Tbh completely frank with GFL2 drama it makes sense while for the PGR content made by the fans made me sad because abit due to how it's not their fault, they can ship what they like just don't make it headcannon like GFL2 literally my god the NTR was so crazy it's like I'm watching another story of a girl I had a crush on fall inlove, date and stuff and whoever like NTR literally and say it's not a problem, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Normalising NTR will disensitised you from loyalty, hope, and love literally. If you can't understand the issue we have nothing to talk about lol FYI imagine you spend 5k on a girl you like and she literally date another guy that's not you despite saying they love you that's how it feels imho
There is dumb unnecessary anger like the BA case and justified anger for the GF2 case, a blatant cheating that happens to your MC is called being cucked no matter how you swing it, Western players are coping to justified this disgusting way of viewing a relationship.
Gacha is made for no-life basement dwellers, you can't sit there and tell me the reason you play is not because of the anime girls' allure, bs is written all over your face. If you see many (like this comment section) justifying cheating then the chances are they're a loser cuck or just coping.
Bro is a year younger than me, good video btw, the CN players need some love in their lives, I mean I am a waifu enjoyer but these players are unhinged
just before even watching the video I can say alone from the title that you gotta understand these people don't really have anybody so they turn to fictional characters for love and see themselves as their husband/wife/bf/gf whatever essentially being in a relationship with them as their sort of escapism from reality so you end up with crazy insane stories like these.
I can't laugh I may chuckle at times but its truly sad.
Why can't all gacha drama be like this. You can laugh and enjoy the dumpster fire that's happening and have a good time. Meanwhile you get a gacha from hoyo, or anything that somehow gets hoyo fans involved and its anarchy and feels like in your in an active military zone. Mfs will really be picked fights over the smallest and the most useless things, or a group of people or even just a single person will just be blatantly wrong but there's enough of them where it causes a headache just trying to understand wtf is going on. Hoyo shippers alone looking like the 4th Reich, so if you don't fall in like your getting jumped. It makes it even worse there division between them, so anything you say is gonna get you shot.
Thanks for listening to my rant on how hoyo sucks. I needed the vent, and thanks for other gacha game fandoms for being stupid but in a funny way.
tbf, it's just the chinese fanbase being chinese fanbase, us here in global is glad to see them have fun playing mahjong
here in global you boycott the game if a character is not gay or black lmao like with genshin right now. So you are the same.
@@Nunubotz2 bruh we are BA players, different breed
Nah, western audiences go ballistic when a game includes a hetero romance of any kind.
@@wz1116
You are just as bad
Cope
Since you covered the GFL2 drama would you be willing to make a video about Snowbreak Containment Zone and how it's become a refugee zone for GFL2's audience?
Game turned worse once the incel take over snowbreak
For the CN self-proclaimed cucks, you mean
@@master.baiter2050it went from Eos to doing very good, so not sure what you mean.
@@afroking2448 I'd rather have a game that went eos than living full of them
@@master.baiter2050 If you think it's worse then you can just, you know, find another game. What's with all these salt?
Kinda impressed there's no controversy like this in NIKKE. I mean, Anderson is there, and no one's making huge deal.
I think the only one is a translation for one of the character bond stories that mention the girl already having "experience" with many men.
Even with that (Cause you basically become her friend with benefits anyways), I think Shift Up does a good job making clear distinctions on what type of relationship a character has with MC through their Bond Story.
Andersen is a homie bruh.
Its because Nikke doesn't have a CN server so the bitching is mixed in with Global who are collectively sane.
I was expecting a honorable mention to the Fate/GO NTR doujin of Mash & Gilgamesh that enraged the whole comunity regardless of the fact that it was an NTR Doujin and not oficial
15:00 Even I did not know this PGR drama. 😂
Gotta say though, the CN side of literally every CN-made gacha is insane.
Great video btw! You're content is underrated.
Yeah, no idea why the Mainlanders are so psychotic when it comes to gatcha.
Oh yeah I remember the guardian tales controversy back then. It was funny as shit because it’s such a dogshit plot almost every single ntr fantasy game uses. Mainly rpg maker Ntr games too. And the thing about that is there’s one that reminds me of that plot. Which is kinda recent game called dark hero party I think where dude is ntr’d just like the monk (love interest is preggers), but there’s a separate bad or true ending depending on who you ask where the mc just kills her ass and the guy who cucked you as well. Shit was a ride. I was losing my shit. Only ntr game to have this type of kill everyone ending is this game which is crazy.
In response to the Blue Archive x Mahjong. They just didn't jong hard enough.
Didn't even know about the damn truck. Guarentee they didn't feel immediate regret renting that out. Gacha whales can be a whole other species.
Kinda dumb that they wanted to force people to change their character's gender just to progress for a bunch of event characters. Especially for Granblue Fantasy collab with Love live... It's just beyond dumb. It's flipping fiction and yet Japanese fans are usually one of the more crazier fans when it comes to their own games.
The Bang Dream stuff is also kind of a highlight to IRL stuff as well.
Cover which is a company that has "idols" Vtubers have both Males and Females talents.
But for reasons is that they don't really interact all that much. They do still interact. But Funny thing about the JP side is that the JP side don't interact with each other that much unless they are of the same gender.
So far only the EN male side Interact more with the EN and ID female side.
For Cover, They are perfectly fine with talents actually having a relationship outside of their "job" or inside. (?)
So the issue at hand is kind of an actual issue with idol culture in Japan.
Where actual idols aren't actually allowed to be in any relationship once they signed a contract. Female idols have it worst.
And then we have any CN created games where the players themselves are usually the ones to be blamed for.
I feel like GFL1 still have more potential to be continued but the creation of GFL2 makes it like a COD game which is fine but issue like you said stance from them not even properly following the story at all.
I feel like they should have waited before actually developing GFL2.
ntr, and cheating in general is a kink that's generally frown upon by most if not all cultures especially china who are extremely traditional in their beliefs(same goes to pretty much any nation except for the US and western Europe as cheating there is basically so normalized every second couple does that). as far as i'm concerned if a fictional character is canonically in a relationship, their relationship is well known within the story or plot and has been since their introduction or developed feelings to another character throughout the story thats fine. For me personally, cheating in storytelling is something i generally distance myself from just as much as i distance myself from it in real life but you won't see me going absolutely batshit crazy over it. At the end of the day it's just fiction and it's not like these waifus were truly yours or you know... alive, on that matter in the first place so are you even being cheated on? By what? ink on a sheet of paper? Ultimately, it's a problem of loneliness and if people had their significant others in real life people wouldn't develop feelings towards fictional characters nearly as much but alas, the way we progress and interact as species leaves a lot to be desired and regrettably, the problem will only get worse as nobody really wants to sit down and truly talk about this problem so we as humanity could come up with a way to address loneliness issue and find a solution.
13:29 "Mommy, I'm here!"
-BiliBili comment
The ntr plot is like a classic Korean novel origin
Limbus is the only gacha game that i can actually say that im proud to play
bruh, you gave me whiplash when you showed the "Im dropping this game" person.
5:45 If gacha game players are spending their money on businesses... that's a net positive for local businesses.
being a BA player myself seeing BA players do these kinda stuff always dissapoints me
Seeing this comment section disappoints me.. I didn’t expect my faith in humanity could be lowered anymore than it already is… but here we are.
People are mad about their character getting NTR-ed with MC of the collab, while FGO literally has doujin that tells other master NTR-ed a dedicated Servant with the support system
Bro you're 21
I thought you were older because of your voice.You're younger than me by two years
Same bro....thought he was like...30-ish
Unc
13:40
Played the game a couple of years back and I enjoyed it, and also I've shipped Watanabe and Biancha ever since the game's release and it's pretty obvious that both of them had a thing going in their character story. I'm surprised everyone just found that out and started hating Kuro, since their relationship is already established.