Limit points. How to judge bends or curves. (Motorcycle instructor riding tips)
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2019
- This upload will help you to understand how to assess bends and curves and tips on bend assessment. I'm riding my 2019 Triumph tiger 800 xrx low. Enjoy.
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I love that saying "Never put your front wheel somewhere your brain hasn't been first" wicked. Brilliant useful video.
I was just about to put the same comment. Will remember that one, cheers
That could save thousands of lives each year.... Pass it along!
@@sundog9999 yes i agree but that requires a greater degree of knowledge and an understanding of many matters with regards to road safety. Something that the ordinary bloke who rides a bike doesn't possess , doesn't want to possess and probably will never possess. Unfortunately.
You’ve got so many good little phrases that are easy to remember and tell you exactly what you need to do.
This is good to see. Teaching to not just pass a test, but to instil some solid life saving skills 👍
That's what it's all about. Just passing the test doesn't make you a good rider.
What a great saying " Never put your front wheel where your brain has never gone" Love your lessons. Garry🇦🇺
Anybody new to motorcycling. Russ is really good at instructing and explains things very well.
Thanks Rich, feel free to share the love (videos) ☺
Even older riders can pick up loads of tips, and understand how we have slipped into bad habits.
well...... he is a professional instructor filming the actual lesson he is given the guys, so i would hope so lol
Best Roadcraft Channel On UA-cam 🙏
This guy is a total pro.
Came across this by chance today. Passed my bike test 30 years ago but still found this helpful. Always good to watch folk on their bikes getting out there, especially riders that are new to the roads on bikes.
I absolutely love riding my little HD Sportster. Live in the borders of Scotland, some great roads.
I always get a nice feeling seeing new riders.. going our family.
Take care everybody out there on the roads. 😊
Just like to add… never seen this instructor before but yeah he knows the score and speaks nicely and clearly to his pupils. Respect to him.
And to anyone just learning- never forget what you learn on your lessons. It’s all relevant. Everyone/everything else on the road is trying to kill you 😉
Stay safe people and enjoy your bike 🏍
Want to go out on mine now but it’s chucking it down 😂
that "worn white lines" is a good one , ill remember to use that
This is the best informative channel on bike riding in UA-cam. Great job..
just passed my mod 2, but i wish i had had you as an instructor. i feel that ive learnt more off of you in the last few videos ive watched than through my own instructors. as someone else put it, teaching not just to pass a test
My neck of the Woods at Burton Joyce. Did my CBT with you a few years ago and still love all these videos. Best Roadcraft Vids on UA-cam 👍
Been watching your videos for years,way before I've lived in the UK. Trying to help other people is noble,being well informed is vital.Thank you.
Thanks for the kind words. ☺
Good to have you back on UA-cam!
Cheers mate. ☺
That pair of bends at 8:22 has seen a couple of cars off the road. It looks really clear..but snakes..Seen two on their roof in the field opposite over the last 3 or 4 years. Also numerous horses and bicycles on that bit too!
Nice video, having come back to biking after XX years, it's great to be reminded and it feels good that that I haven't forgotten. Being 6'4" and on an old BMW RT with huge fairing definitely helps with the Volvo-driver awareness from what I used to ride, but it's the brain that does indeed provide most safety :-)
Taking the bike out has improved my car driving, constantly scanning and thinking about where you are going. I confess to position 2 & 1/2 on the old North Road on the bike when it's quiet though.
Pressing the indicator button every 20 sec's is a good tip to make sure there not left on👍, it's something i do, RJ taught me that off his v'logs😉
Your roadcraft lessons are brilliant. you have a fantastic way of explaining things.
I’ve caught myself many times talking to myself when I’m on the bike saying road tightens... road opens.... has my brain been there yet....
Thanks for your time putting these vids up. Learn a lot from them.
You're very welcome. ☺
I ame 3
I wish I had you as an instructor, mine for my CBT forced me into P3 and yelled at me for doing what you show in this video naturally. Its put me off going for my bigger test as only company local that does it.
I can see how that'd put you off. I've had advanced candidates being put off the IAM and ROSPA because their observer insisted they do something that made them feel unsafe. Don't be put off buddy, it'll be worth it.
@@RoadcraftNottingham thank you buddy, the instructor was highly patronising...granted this fuelled a fire to hone in my skills to prove them wrong but it did knock my confidence hugely but I've been very lucky to ride with other instructors, tour guides, track and race riders who have all helped me out. I'll keep my eye out for other places or even travel down to yourselves as you have a great mannerism and calming while riding.
Great teacher listen to what he is saying could save your life some day
Thanks Liz, great to have followers like you. ☺
Always a pleasure coming along with your rides ... Thanks .Guy
This particular tip saved a good part of my health, if not life. As I drove along the unpaved road, I passed the tractor driving in the opposite direction. A long, hefty looking plow suddenly appeared from behind the tractor at the bumpy road. He would have swept me off the motorcycle if I had not slowed down before and did not drive on the right side of the road.
Keep on the good work.
Really enjoyed that, I was riding with an experienced friend who rides a Pan 1100, he sometimes comments why are you slowing down on bends , my answer is always if I can't see I slow down he glides round em like he is in an armchair but if I can't see nor can he. I have pointed out some vlogs to change his ways but to no avail, I won't be changing what I have learnt. Ride your own ride is always good advice.
.. Spot on. Some people try to impress others how fast they are but take it to the race track if you really want to go fast. My life is in my own hands. ☺
Good to see you again,enjoyed that refresher.
I wish I had such a amazing tither when was doing my lessons .After watching a few of your videos I get much more then on my lessons. Thank you for brilliant job.
Even for someone who’s passed already, it really pays to watch your videos. Thanks for uploading and working hard to keep us safe.
The day you stop learning is the day you stop breathing.
Very good thank you feel better now!! Just been on a Bike Safe , end of my observed ride the comment was, I play and ride safe, they don't use the format position 1-2-3 although I find this very god for visualization. National speed limit 60 My average speed was 48 / 50 going around corners , I was informed I needed to increase speed ! No other issues which was good although felt a bit deflated ie speed. Always on my mind stop safely within the distance you can see to be clear within the speed to be able to stop safely.
Been riding many years happy to ride 60 /70 on straighter road but not always on cornering , I ride my ride Great video.
Great job there! I like how calm and sound you have been explaining the current situation for your trainees. 👍
These videos will save many lives. Keep up the great work 👍👍👍👍
Your initial video on limit points from years ago really helped my riding (over here in BC)... great info again Russ... glad to see you back on here... dropping knowledge bombs.
Cheers again, matey.
Steve
Thanks for staying tuned Steve. ☺
The best instructor ever! Many thx! Please post more!!!
This takes me back to my lessons, all them years ago.
Always willing to listen to advice given from you guys
Solid performance assessment as always Russ.
Very helpful I used this as part of my prep for the DAS chadderton assessment
I learn so much from watching these thanks!
Great lessons! And a wonderful manner by which to teach them. Thank you - i always learn something and enjoy your videos.
... Thanks Adrian, much appreciated. ☺
Missed your videos so much Russ! glad to see you back
Excellent tutorial, cheers and thanks for explaining that position 3 is not needed when travelling on counrty roads.
Thanks. 3 isn't *always* needed. It's nice to get a view but safety always wins out first.
I ride the Lowdham to Lambley Road all the time. Great to get your perspective on it first hand.
Dont put ur front wheel where ur brain hasnt been first ✌ pretty much sums up riding as a whole!
Another great lesson thank you.
I teach this for Advanced Riders too. Really clear, concise and very informative info - as usual!
Sorry i missed the first part of the video Direct Access lol . Had to do my test a few yrs ago as the dvla had lost my details yet had the licence with the bike category on it. Did the test on a gsx 1400 that got a laugh cheers KYLE.
I love these videos of you on training days with students. Makes me wish I could do mine again with weather like that. It was horrendously wet weather when I did all my training & test days 😩
Love watching your vids, it doesn't matter about my full license it's always nice to learn more which makes riding a bike more safer and a hell more enjoyable, keep up the good work dude 😁
Thanks for the upload..... i have learnt more from your videos than in all the years on and off that i have been riding..... think i might even be able to pass the current test now ...... i guess its a lot harder now .... not like when i took my test in 1988..... god am i that old.....lol
Great vid Russ. Thank you for spending the time to do this one. MOT tomorrow then out on the road for Thor first time this year. Too much mountain biking lol
Just wanted to say I had a good instructor and I passed my a licence test with only two minor faults but I wish you were my instructor. I am not saying my instructor was bad infact he was good but after watching the videos there is a thing that I called gift that you know how to explain things even to a new person so that they know what they are doing and why they are doing. Great job . Hopefully your lessons will save these people and help them become a safer rider
That's a lovely compliment, thank you. ☺
Roadcraft Nottingham I can see your passion for safe motorcycling. I was looking at your cbr 600f video and you mentioned about safe positioning I clicked with me straight away and when I saw how you rode that bike I knew you are game. I have shared your channel screenshot with my fellow riders for advanced tips. Hopefully they will learn some safe riding tips from you. I never felt that I was watching a UA-cam video I can choose to binge watch the content you put out. Excellent work and thank you for making sharing these tips
Brilliant lesson ,thankyou
Wish I had had instruction like that ! Very informative thanks!
Another informative video - and I'm not even a motorcyclist (well not yet) just a car driver & cyclist; however I'm aware of the 'target fixation' and look were you want to go, as your hands will follow.
Sound advice & great bike 👍🏻
Good tip on the worn white lines, hadn't considered that.
Great Instrutions Always good brush up
I always keep checking my indicators didn't know why till I saw this!
Maybe 24 years ago when I did my three day course my instructor had in grained it in to me 🤔
Ahhh nice surprise to see this come up in my notifications!
You're a great instructor. I hope mine are as good!
Cheers.
Excellent heads up
Wow. Amazing explanation thanks mate 👍🏻
You're welcome. ☺
Enjoyed the description of if the bend closes, close your throttle. If it's holding, hold your throttle. If it opens up, open your throttle. Thanks Russ :)
Thanks Nicole, just something I developed relatively recently. I also say "if you can't see around the bend, slow down until you can" ☺
@@RoadcraftNottingham brilliant! Thanks so much for your tips and videos, keep safe :)
I'd like to say thank you Russ. I've just finished working on a 28 year old 125 so i can get into riding, now in my 30's, and am looking to take my test. Your videos are a great help and while i'm out riding i feel like i'm learning all the time.
That's great, we're all learning, that's the correct attitude to take. ☺
Great lesson, well done 🤓
" You got to be able to stop in the distance you see to be clear " . Highway code rule 126 . video 1.34 ,and again reinforced at 6.04 . This is the best advice you give, anyone could ever receive .
Got into an argument about that with the wife once in the mountains in France. She thought I was driving like an old fart because "there's never stopped traffic just around the bend..." Guess I'd rather be an old fart than a young splat.
@@sail4life Indeed there could be anything around the corner , old people , young people, bikes , stopped car , animals , large pot hole ,a mum pushing a pram ,the list is endless . I think it's difficult to be over careful , but easy to be careless .I hope i learned my lesson a few years ago almost ran into a slow cyclist going round a corner and i was quite slow , so i thought , still to fast to stop , lucky i swerved around but i was very much wrong . We must all be able to stop at any time as far as we can see as per rule 126 .
Again, great info 🤘
Sound advice, as always Russ. On tight bends, or where vision of the road ahead is obscured; I pick daisies, slow down and stay close to the nearside. As you pointed out, if a lorry had been coming around the tight left-hand bend; you'd be screwed.
Spot on. Unfortunately some riders treat the "Motorcycle Roadcraft" book as a bible and nowadays those position rules don't always apply. Thanks for your comment.
I always imagine the worst thing is coming around the corner and make sure if it comes I'm nowhere near it... Lorries on single track country roads, campervans, a horse... Sometimes I feel like a psychic, because what I think will happen happens and those are the "missed near misses" that help me feel like I'm maybe not a terrible rider. Situations that could have been scary but were totally anticipated.
Thanks for all your lessons. I would really like to have a lesson in person one day, who knows... Would be a trip up from Southampton. Maybe this year. I want to do as much advanced training as possible, I want to enjoy bikes into old age. I was planning on just doing all of them (iam, rospa, dvla advanced and bike safe). What's your opinion?
@@RoadcraftNottingham I love your videos Russ. Your advice is practical and sensible. We tell associates that Roadcraft doesn't lay down rules about what position you should be in, but gives you a set of tools which you use as appropriate to make your riding safer. If P3 makes you safer by extending your view and giving early warning of hazards then fine; if it's a tight left hander with eg high hedges, and/or a narrow road then do you really want to be out there? Tools not rules.
@@johnneaves5... That's a really good way of explaining it. ☺
@@johnneaves5 If a bend is tight and lets face it one never really knows until one is actually on it but if by all accounts it appears to be tight then treat it as being tight and use a middle of carriageway position 2 as stated rather than any other further out position. Its stupid that still some organisations train to 5 or even still 7 positions [ living in the past the distant past.]on the width of ones carriageway. absolutely absurd for the riding that we as civilians will be doing. I travel on 90 deg bends a lot and if I were to move over closer to the middle white lines, due to the severity of the bend by one foot such a move over only related to an improvement of seeing only one foot further round the bend and so there is no sight advantage but as you say your tight left hander is an approaching vehicles right hander and cut corner so if too far out one would end up as mincemeat or hopefully successfully be able to sacrifice the original position but showing brown trousers
Very informative. I’m always nice and slow for corners when others wellie it.
Thank you for that post , I think I am doing the right thing , I just lack a bit of confidence on leaning , I know , daft
Baby steps, go at your own pace.
Thank you for that , again that is what I do . You know 30 years ago we had no counter steering (I did a course on this ) etc , I would point the X7 in the right direction and we just went for it .
I generally do this without giving it much thought and didn't realise i was following your advice until i seen this video ..am not showing off or anything lol .. just something that i kinda taught myself as a matter of cores of riding ....that being said still fantastic advice
Excellent vids and very useful for all riders (of all levels). Thanks
You're welcome
Good video matey. Only just found your channel and will look out for more. I've been riding more yours than I care to remember but picked up some good tips on this video 👍 I've always ridden with the attitude everyone is out to kill me and don't trust anyone 🤣
Excellent instruction!
Thanks
well done when you give the signal to CLOSE your throttle slowly on upcoming bends is a good command when I took lessons I don't ever remember being told to approach corner / bends like that. Just goes to show some good instructors some lazy you seem pretty decent :) By the way passed my test yrs ago about 30 lol shows my age
Informative watch and different perspective for a new car driver.
Thanks very helpful.
Another useful tutorial. Worth subscribing.
Thank you. ☺
Wonderfully satisfying
excellent stuff Russ (that rhymed :-) lol ) Love your quirky little sayings ...does help for it to stick in mind ... .. look forward to next upload .
Thanks buddy. ☺
this is a part of lessens that is given to my in holland as well , this teqnic has proven a good tecnic for my last year , a car came on my side of the lane in a thigt richt bend , with almost no visabilty in to the turn ( we drive on the richt lane in holand ) if a had not use this tecnic , en ceep my speed douwn en holding my position in to position 1 ( for us in holland its al the way to the richt on my lane , this car woud have run in to me . ,
nice clear explanations
Thanks
Nicely done sir 👍
Top shelf training, well done. Even if you’re riding on the wrong side of the rode. Cheers from America.
Bradley Alexander , 😀 I have to correct you on this, us English have always driven on the left going back to the horse and cart days, you would hold your reigns in your left hand, naturally keeping the horse to the left and leaving you right hand free for your weapon, in case your held up, the Americans drove on the left until the war of independence when they decided to drive on the right as a finger up to the English.
I do hereby stand corrected. You Sir a student of history, I like that. Please accept my apologies. Thank You in advance.....
Bradley Alexander 🤣🤣 or I’m a sad bloke with nothing better to comment on because my bikes off the road, the chap who told me that fact was the beard of knowledge from Pawn stars when we met him at his Las Vegas museum,
Great video Russ. Love the new bike!
Thanks. The more I ride it the better it feels. Love it.
@@RoadcraftNottingham Yeah, I was going to ask about that. Where's the Pan? I must have missed some stuff.
I keep pressing indicator button just to make sure it’s off lol great tips
Could have done with this reminder last weekend! A car came well over the line on a right hand bend and drove me off the road. After watching this I think I may have been going a little bit fast for the corner.
Thanks
Used to watch your channel regularly but when u stopped uploading I unsubbed to try clearing my sub list down a bit. Good to have you back and I'm looking forward to watching your content again.
Something I'd like to see a video on is factors on the bike that could affect the handling and how it feels.
Feel free to ignor this, but a bit of waffling to explain my reason for this:
I've been riding 3 years, but only on a bigger bike for a year and on the way home from work last week, my front end started feeling very twitchy. I assumed it may have been the road surface or similar, but then the problem persisted. Checked Steering head bearings etc and the only thing I found was that somehow the bolts tightening the bracket holding front left suspension fork were a little loose. I had the bike jacked up so made sure that the forks were equal and set right. Since doing that, the bike feels better again. Now, I still question whether it was in my head or if this was what was causing the front end to feel twitchy when leaning in. Therefore, I feel going through something like this may help learners as to investigating a problem.
... Very good comment and thanks for re subbing. ☺ Something as simple as tyre pressures can make a massive difference. I'll look into it.
I do all of this subconsciously, if I think about it too much I ride poorly. Always learning though! The older I get, the faster I was...
I think that's the point, practice practice, until it becomes muscle memory.
Really clear video. Full licence holder but still a worthwhile watch. After all, it was from one of your vids that I learnt the simple trick of looking for the amount of side of a vehicle I can see in a bend ahead of me to help judge the severity. You say near the end about putting cruise control on, do you have that on your learner bikes?
Thanks for the feedback. No, the mt07s don't have cruise but mine does... I was rubbing it in. ☺
@@RoadcraftNottingham Makes sense :-) And why not rub it in... "pass your test and all this could be yours" ;-)
Did you do a review on the blind spot mirror? I had one and it fell off what do you recommend?
Invaluable advise on position 3. I was in position 2 on an off side bend in the Black Mountains in Germany last year and was still nearly hit by the huge mirror on a Winnebago coming the other way. I ducked and my mate told me that it missed me by inches.
Wow, glad you're ok. People need to fully understand why we position where we do and when not to.
I think too many inexperienced riders confuse 'racing lines' with safe and effective road positions. The old adage of 'old pilots and bold pilots' rings true.
A great video and pleased to hear your technique of keeping in position 2 for left hand bends. We should expect not only wide vehicles and farm machinery but also drivers who insist on moving over to the wrong side as demonstrated (though not in that case on a left-hander for the bikes) at 8:59. I've also encountered motorist 'boy racers' straightening the road and this random possibility is reason enough not to extend the view to a theoretically better position 3. I personally however may break this 'keeping to position 2 rule' approaching a junction where a car is getting ready to pull out onto a main road. This will we hope not only further alert him to our narrow bike but provide a better escape route for the bike should he begin to creep out or worse. I'll sometimes roll off the throttle too and may cover the front break though perhaps i'm getting paranoid now! Air horns too?
Incidentally although I 'get' the need to not hold up traffic unnecessarily on say NSL roads, I would personally feel quite happy if a rider was simply more comfortable at doing 10 mph less despite road conditions that are good. The sign is a limit not a target etc...
Finally I was slightly puzzled at your 'let's stick to 30 mph' comment when an advisory 20 mph sign was spotted. Are you sure in a court of law following say an accident that blame/insurance considerations might not be used against you?
Hi, great comment. The 20 would be taken into consideration but they'd have to prove it was a contributing factor. ☺
Just to add for anyone watching who might be wondering: during advanced riding we generally split the lane up into 5 segments. 5 is to the far right, 1 is to the far left, 3 is in the middle. Positions are then taken dynamically based on the situation. If it is safe to do so, we would bias towards 4 of 5 on a left bend and 1 of 5 on a right. I think it's always useful to remember that the purpose of selecting an appropriate position is to maximise your view. Additionally, the limit point will be changing constantly so you need to constantly update your riding plan.
Advanced riders don't have 5 positions ko more
@@booshallmighty when I took my test, we did. How many is it now?
@@puddingleaf IM and Rospa, and the Police road Craft book use 3 positions now. I did my test in December last year and they taught 3 positions. I think it was to cut down the confusion and to address riders riding in position 5 would be in danger on bends form oncoming traffic. Ride safe
excellent, nice to have this skills refresher. how are you enjoying the tiger russ?
One word... Incredible, fun, light, quick, gadgetory, erm... That'll do. 😉
Interesting to watch this. I'm one of those who passed my bike test on a 125 and could go to unlimited cc. The examiner stood on a street corner and sent me out of his sight many times. Yeah nuts when you think about it.
For me I chose to do a Star Rider course so that I knew at least some basics. How am I doing now?
One crash which was my fault and didn't involve other people. I did various vehicle tests over the following years and your video shows some similarities. The HGV tests for example - have you done those??
With HGV you're taught to read the road as far ahead as you can see it and memorise it - that prepares you for positioning the large vehicle and gives space to use mirrors more.
I still have a bike but it's more for fun. The roads are certainly different now and your video has incredibly useful information. For me I learnt it anyway but people just starting could learn a lot of great things and quickly.
Hi, I did that test too, quite simple wasn't it? ☺ I've never driven an hgv but have a 7 metre motorhome with a silly amount of tail swing, that's enough for me. Lol
Great lesson Russ, very much like my instructor whos words still echo in my helmet when I'm being silly. however the countersteering thing for me is too much of a headblagg, as someone that rode push bikes as fast as I can peddle since age 4 I find steering totally intuitive, road position input is great but actual steering input advice would cause me to overthink it as a learner.
As you say you are steering intuitively, you are probably already counter steering without thinking about it.
Great video, thanks. That's how a moto school should teach new riders. In my case 95% of riding was done in the training yard and I only went out once with the instructor, in real life traffic, with him on the same bike. I emphasize, only once!, before the actual exam with the police officer(which actually took only 10-15 min lol). So, that equates to almost zero real riding experience gained through moto school. At least they give you the permit.
Thanks. If you did the MSF, I feel it's time the US-LESS (😉) Government stopped letting people ride any size bike after a short time on a car park. Thanks for your comment. ☺
Great video
Silly question : I rented a bike country bmw gx and coming to a closing bend from 4 gear closing to 2 gear the bike would stall why is that ???
Please answer
approaching the bend in plenty of time down to 20 miles I shifted down to 2 gear to enter bend safely but bike stalled
Any tips or explanation why this accused?
please
I sub to your great Channel
Always make sure you can stop in the distance that you can see to be clear. I remember my obbo saying that to me 20yrs ago and still as true today. Just common sense really...
i remember that time when i first learn to ride a bike, i shat myself (not literally lol) cause i was so nervous and stalled, good thing we can make 3 safety errors( automatic fail if you drop your bike or being intervene by the rozzers(as you will call it ) or the instructor.
Watched it twice today Russ, two lessons to make sure I don't put my front tyre where my brains hasn't been yet.
Excellent.