Avoid This Common STEERING Mistake
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Push a little quicker!!!! Slow steering is a big cause of riders having to make corrections past the midway point of the turn and crash. MotoJitsu.com
12 days ago?! I see, very nice.
Thanks...advice that is very helpful 😎
Wouldn't you be going too fast if you have to push more quickly? This tells me that incorrect judgement was made entering the turn.
@Bike Dawg It just depends. The only way that what he's saying makes sense is if you turn so slowly that you go wide because you didn't get the bike leaned over enough and have to correct yourself in the middle of the turn. He's completely glossing over the fact that the opposite is also true. There's a lot more to it than "just turn quicker." It's always different based on the turn and your speed. He's also completely ignoring the fact that the radius at the very beginning and very end of a typical turn is larger than the radius of the rest of the turn. You can't just instantly go from zero lean to full lean back to zero lean. That would completely screw up your line through the corner. It's just another typical motojitsu video where he acts like he's telling some huge secret when, in reality, he's not saying anything. Having to add lean angle in the middle of a turn means you didn't have enough lean angle, not that you didn't turn quickly enough.
@jridenour31 Shhh hush now you ! I'm 100% positive he knows much more about correct riding than you ! Where are all your Video's ? This guy is an Instructor , You are a keyboard Warrior ! Trying to find fault all the time , Go play amongst the traffic & get a grip.
80mph in a 45, through a curve, one handed, while having an eloquent conversation. The man is an animal.
A human machine I would say
I havent started riding yet. I've got a few months in a parking lot coming. Greg is where id like to be one day.
Lets see him come to india and do this video where nobody is following the traffic rules 🤣🤣
That’s a faulty speedometer. He follows all laws and regulations
Do you ride yourself? Nothing in this video was wild, that wasn’t the point of the video. Yes he’s an amazing rider but to call him an animal after watching this very very chilled riding video is a bit odd.
This is where the term "deliberate" on the inputs is actually more useful (in many cases) than "smooth"... Lots of people get the idea that "smooth" means gently, and that simply isn't the case. You've got to get those inputs where you want them fairly quickly, but it can still be done smoothly. What you don't want is shoving it way too much and then yanking it back to over-compensate, and all kinds of littler adjustments back and forth until you're input forces on a graphic display is just all over the place... You WANT nice smooth, slightly slanted "square waves"...
SO be "deliberate" in your actions. Time the push for engaging counter-steer appropriately, and then get the bike over to the appropriate angle to make the turn at the speed you've selected, and your eyes and nose pointed where you want to go, looking as far through the corner as you can. Scanning back is okay a LITTLE for surface hazards and holes and what-not, but the FOCUS should be through the turn...
AND yes, it is important that you WORK YOUR WAY UP in pace, getting braver in small manageable measures as you get comfortable with the controls and settle into trusting your bike over time.
ANYWAYS, just my two cents... I hope it helps make sense of things. I hope it helps SOMEBODY, anybody... ;o)
I was an MSF Instructor for 10 years and have been riding for 50 years and I can't tell you how much I enjoy your educational process. 👍
Just took advantage of our great weather and practiced in my favorite parking lots and put 33miles on my Vespa! Need to get my GoPro so I can share my slowwwwwww raccccceeeee. 😄 Thanks, Greg!
Hey Liz, you got a Vespa huh? Congratulations! I gotta get a go pro too. I've already seen a car flip upside down going home and several other situations. 😬
@@The._.Grimace Thanks for keeping it light buddy
30 years of experience and just got back to it after a 10 year hiatus... Just realized how much I've forgotten or how much I've never really understood about riding! The internet can be a powerful tool if used wisely ;-) Thanks Eddy!
This is what I do. I'm a new rider, only about 200 miles under my belt. I rode with friends last weekend and they said that I was very "upright" through my turns and taking them cautiously slow. I knew about the slow part, but I didn't know what that actually looked like from their perspective! So thinking back to this ride, now I understand that I am just "getting away with" a turn being cautious, making multiple small "corrections" and not leaning the bike. Thanks for this! I hope to work on this this weekend!
I'm guilty and need to improve. Been riding many yrs! He hit this on the head.
Take it easy, ans progresively. It doesn't matter what your friends say about your lean. It matters what you feel and understand, in order to learn and gain experience. In time, you would achieve the skills , if you seek relentlessly to improve.
@@1zanglang If there is no one making observations from an outside perspective and making constructive suggestions to a new rider, the progress that a new rider makes is likely to be very slow and possibly dangerous. If you go to a structured rider school such as the Yamaha Champions Riding school you will get critiqued on every single lap that you make and possibly several times per lap.
Yip, me too
I always like learning, and I admit that when I clicked on your video I didn't think I had this issue...then I went riding today, and even though it was sometimes and subtle I'm guilty as charged! Thanks for what you do, constant and never ending improvement!
i agree, because as countersteering comes naturally (else we wouldnt get round corners at any speed above 12mph without it), one can take it for granted and not think about how to improve, or in fact not even recognising a need to, so it sure is food for thought. GL
Damn, he is speeding at 125KM all the while taking risky curves with one hand and giving tutorial! Respect!
When I first starting riding (k1200 LT, crazy right?) I didnt understand counter steering; I'd shift my weight, alter my butt position and it was never enjoyable. Actually frightining.
One day, a motorcycle instructor told me ti imagine balancing a broom on my hand. If I wanted to move it left, I'd first have to move my hand to the right.
A light bulb went off and now I understood. Riding was much more enjoyable and fun!
I have actually done that when I had started and I knew I had been to slow on the counter steering. I always review my mistakes. I use what I've learned in my courses and your vids, also by my driving experiences with standards. I'll take the curve again and push harder and presto. 🤨
Love your videos. Watching that brings back a lot of memories of mistakes, bad habits and long lessons learned. I'm starting back riding again after a 24yr absence, I'm not a newbie but need advanced training. You're vids are spot on, excellent and really help, thank you for all the time and effort you put into your work to help, encourage and inspire all riders at all stages, very much appreciated!
Thanks man ! I have your app and I do the practices in a parking lot every Sunday . This video made me think a lot about my own counter-steering , so much so , that I had to comment . Thanks for all the content . I have taken a basic rider course this season and I am going to take advanced course next season . Thanks so much for everything !!
All this comes down to one simple rule:
If you want to go fast in the twisties, you need to know them. If you need to know them, you must have ridden them before. Ride sensible your first go-around, if you want to party, do it on a route you know by heart, at least.
Never try to max a corner on your first rodeo. D'uh!
Most of what I know about riding comes from you, your books and the books you suggested Greg... ofcourse, I read more and took a course, but I leant so much from you. Thank you Sensei
Great video man, really rewarding applying correct techniques to one's riding and being aware of the improvements. Makes you a safer, confident and faster rider. Top work, keep it up!!
Damn so much great advice thanks man keep up the great videos subbed!
Thx for all your tutorials! They’re very helpful.
Once again a Great teaching! Thanks
Cheers for the tips, remember doing this a lot when I was new to riding. Also bro that fog looked so sick, love riding through areas like that.
I've just finished the chapter about line selection in "Total control" and you made this video - perfect 👌
Wanted to thank you for this video. I've been riding now about 2 years and maybe about 11,000 miles roughly. I think you nailed one of the issues I've been trying to figure out. I'm simply not pushing hard or fast enough in curves. I also find I have a very tough time with things I think should be easy, like turning right from one road onto another road at a slow speed. Also, the "pulling" technique on the handlebar to turn is also eye-opening for me. I went out riding today and played around with that as well.
I've been riding for 5 years now... started pulling AND pushing in the corners ( so I use both hands)...what a difference!! More confidence for me and thanks to Greg 🥰 Who knew? 😂 Good luck with those slow corners. Maybe come at them with a bit more power so you just slice through them? I struggled with those for years...
Thanks for all the info you provide
I feel like I do this fine until speeds get faster. I don’t know wtf is wrong with me but I’m always going slower in turns than I would in a car. I just struggle with knowing how fast I can safely enter a turn I guess idk. Like I know this is the opposite of most people but I have no issue with super tight parking lot Slow speed turns and lean etc but at higher speeds suddenly I find it harder or I’m less sure of my capability
Thanks again for all the visual instruction. I learn something every time I watch your videos and then I learn more when I re-watch. The proof is in the doing though. Gotta practice.
One of your best explanations yet Jarhead. Keep it up Greg
recently i've been looking at more and more vids regarding countersteering and realised the next time out on my bike i've been doing it all my life naturally since my days cycling and cycle racing, lol, but what i did get here is the importance to start earlier in the corner, and looking back, when i have got into the odd spot of trouble it was due to improper planning and late reactions, or going too fast & occasionally braking late when i shouldnt have, luckily i havent been spat off in such situation yet. when you do it right it makes the job so much easier, so thanks for the vid, and i need to get this into my psyche. GL
When you start riding there is confusion, because at walking pace very slowly the instinct is to think to go left should pull the handle bar left to make the wheel face that direction. A beginner does not see any difference between turning and leaning! It is counterintuitive for a beginner to push the handlebars away to lean left and therefore go left! This video is brilliant for explaining that. Push left to lean left, and therefore turn left, and vice versa.
I'm loving these short specific instructional vids 👍🤘😁
Outstanding content. Thanks very much
When you use the term "corner" I always think of a 90 degree turn in town, at a stop sign or light. That would be the corner of a city block. Most of the time you mean a turn or a curve in the road.
Bardzo fajne, wartościowe filmy instruktażowe. Miło się słucha i ogląda.
Try riding in Maine with all the potholes, 1-3” wide spider cracks in the road, pounded out and rutted pavement by big trucks, many bridges, railroad crossings, random corners out of nowhere, hilly… Pretty much need a dual sport bike just to traverse our back roads. Not to mention all the sand from winter and trails of dirt, mud, and rocks at gravel pit entrances/exits. You don’t want to lean much in many of the roads I ride. I treat most paved roads like dirt or gravel roads up here. In the cities I can have more fun as the roads are better and usually cleaner.
Great piece of info for self assessment. That’s why I keep watching your videos
Excellent Videos and advices as always. Could you please make a video with 180 degrees twistees? Hill up or Hill down, like the famous passes (Stelvio, Gotthard etc)
Thank you so much ,very useful.I’m not a good rider,but I keep learning for becoming better .Peace and love 🙏
Thank you sir. 🎉
Great content thank you. Here in thhe UK we have some funky roads that don't follow expected lines. If you enter a corner where it requires minor input and then suddenly curves faster then of course you need to adjust don't you? Or am I just not that good in corners!
That was a very important tip to remember, which also helps a lot to have your hands relaxed in the turn!!!
Kinda figured I was doing it too slowly. Thanks for confirming!
thanks for the video 😎
just bough your app and can't wait to start practice ♥
Love it. My bikes apart now for upgrades. But I’ll practice my moves on my bicycle. Actively lean on entry!
Any videos or tips about night riding? I don't ride at night usually, but it would be a good skill to have.
Hi, I leave my house in the mountains most nights around 0 dark 30. I do pretty much the same thing I do by the light of day except at slower speeds and with some added techniques.
I make certain my glasses and face shield are clean. As I come upon other vehicles I use only low beam and do not stare at there headlights. For me in the twisted mountains as a vehicle comes toward me, before they are real close, I use their light on the road to help me see my lane for Hazzards since my sight is reduced by glare from them as well as using my low beam until we're passed each other. Same thing as I come up behind a vehicle, low beam within 300ft of them, keeping just enough distance for reaction time being able to see the lane ahead by their lights. Sometimes when it goes out to two lanes in the same direction, I choose to stay at a distance behind because their headlights give more light coverage than my one. It just depends on their speed and the situation.
When I get into the valley on my way to work it's pretty quiet. However when I do come upon traffic I try to separate myself from vehicles around me so my lights don't blend in with there's and I'm recognized as a separate vehicle especially to oncoming and turning traffic. Small weaves in my lane help. I also have a brake free light on the back of my helmet. It's very bright and stands out. It's very accurate to when i brake. Even engine brakun and rolling off the throttle will activat it.
Visibility to others and for yourself as well as creating enough space and time to react is so important. These are just some things I do.
Stay smart, ride shiny side up🖖🤙
@@jerodkenoyer270 thanksfor those insights! You always bring great experience to my questions. I've been driving for 46 years which I think has really helped me with using good driver memory muscle and instincts, but haven't taken the plunge here at night on my Vespa yet.
@@lizstrangesavage7948 Thank you! And You are certainly welcome. I'm glad I could be of any help or insight. I try to post my own opinions and experiences Hoping it'll do just that give insight. I hope to learn from others here too.
I found these 2 videos by searching riding at night moto jitsu. Not sure if the actual link will post but I will try.
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@@jerodkenoyer270 never heard of Brake Free. I'm on their website now & impressed with their product.
I really like that it activates under engine braking, so I don't have tap a brake to let people behind me know I'm decelerating.
I just picked up a xr650l and this is the first thing I started working on. It's a tall, top heavy bike, counter steering is the most important thing , and knowing a 50/50 tire is not into the asphalt like a sport bike tire.
The tires are the big learning curve
I’ve noticed I make this mistake. I’m very new to riding (< 2months) and I think it is due to my unfamiliarity with how the bike is supposed to handle a turn. Trust the physics. If I take the turn too shallow, better to trail brake than jerkingly apply more lean angle anyway.
4:27 slow down, press right to go right until you get your desired lean angle for the corner and then wait as the turn starts until half way and then make bike straight and accelerate and go. The goal goal is to get off the edge of the tire you get through coutersteering leaning so you can accelerate out of there. That's the whole point. Set up for exist, if your entry or mid point hurt your exit, then you're messed up.
Thanks, I think it would have been more obvious if you would have shown it in narrow curves. Those curves are too wide.
I wanted also to ask you if you could make a video about the importance of the tire pressure to lean the bike. Maybe with demonstration. In my opinion, this is under estimated topic.
I run cheap Shenko 705s. Great tire for the price. Just not confident in the grip when pushed. I prefer to be conservative with counter steering especially if i screw up and come in too hot
I haven't started riding but Greg is my idol.
Dear sir, I do exactly the mistake you just explained. And I don't know why I ride better on the right turn than the left. On left turn, I always need to correct my trajectories and feel unsafe because I start to go internally. I fear to accelerate and the bike stand up. I've just ride 2500km in 8 days in Morocco (mountains road , I'd many opportunities to improve that weakness without success) . For the moment I only achieved the white belt. I will try the blue one once I'm back home. And will definitely needs tracks courses.
Thank you for helping me improve every day i ride
Worth adding… looking at the ground too close, and not looking through the turn, causes under-leaning too.
so weird question, do you continue to counter-steer all the way through the turn or just into the turn to just get the lean angle?
I often find myself over-leaning thru a turn. I guess I'm overzealous and pushing too quickly and too much.
Having had to correct mid-corner adding lean just this morning on my commute this is a well timed video! Granted, I was deliberately wide due to avoiding a bunch of leaves, but I still messed up.
Going on 60yrs riding...and riding sporty.
I vaidle like a skier approaching every corner... I go way OUTSIDE to make every corner as much fun as possible and indulge on using throttle to carve the corner like mamas roast beef.
You can have a lot of fun without getting over your head. Back to he'll of on the straights. Fast on straights is for kiddies... get outside...hit the apex and crank out... cool it ...start setting up the next corner... HAVE FUN. !!
Nice bike. Which one you are riding?
What we are witnessing is a master at work.
Curious why you have your speedometer set on kilometers?
The goal goal is to get off the edge of the tire you get through coutersteering leaning so you can accelerate out of there. That's the whole point. Set up for exist, if your entry or mid point hurt your exit, then you're messed up.
I took a left in a two lane intersection / road, passed the half way point leaning hard while taking a wide turn as not to cut the corner and hit the vehicle next to me. I leaned too much like a dirt biker and hit my cage on the GS-A and it slid out from under me. I probably would of been okay if I was on a narrower liter bike or naked bike.
While I've been riding for years and I like your content. I just heard you say the first half of the turn is when you should have your bike leaned and quickly I might add. But last night it was you should be turning in late into the turn and that people are turning too early out of fear of going wide but this makes them go wide ... I dunno. Seems confusing.
never owned a street bike but kinda want to. had a mini bike but that was ..... 30 yrs ago. any way this broke my brain a bit. so i assume its gyroscopic effects from the front wheel that make it lean opposite. i kinda get that but what if the rear end steps out? wouldn't you need to counter steer, but that would make it lean more, and turn harder making it worse? but if you turn in to stand up the bike wouldn't that make the front end turn harder and also make it worse?
Hey Moto, this has been one of the 3 Motorcycle riding Technics I have had a Dickens of a time trying understand, and, impliment.
1.) Counter steering.
2.) Rev matching.
3.) Trail braking.
I have tried to "get them", yet, no success to the mess!🥺😵🤐🏍️. Is there some other way, or, place I can get some help with this matter? Doug
I'm from Germany and don't speek englisch so well. As I understood you want to correct the leaning angle with counter steering but recognize, that you get in trouble if you counter more. Then you have to reduce the speed with the back break.
Good tips for touring type road riding. Not really what happens on a track, slow entry will have 2 guys pass you before the apex of the corner!
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
What bike is this?
I always get scared leaning, i never got over it ever, ever since my first riding days.
I think people pull from the right trying to turn right that pushes you left pushing u into incoming traffic....
A other great tip. Found myself doing needing to lean more on the turn now I know why . Thanks
Honey springs road. I didn’t realize you were a San Diego local. Cheers mate
Hey your awesome thanks
Great video as usual. Dont let canyonchasers see this one haha. Think He's made a couple of videos slagging off 'Keith Code california superbike school' for their 'Quick flick turn' giving the impression their saying...blast down the strait then jab...yank...snap the bars super fast to make the turn.
Their not saying that. Their just saying like you...that you have to turn the bars quicker when going deeper in to faster sharper turns.
& they do say in their book to time it with the brakes to the slowest point in the turn...& that fast longer turns don't need it.
These roads look fun
Unless, unless!, it’s a decreasing radius turn. Usually you will see chevron signs indicating you’re in this kind of turn.
Hi! We can say that's a combination of steering + leaning the bike together at a specific speed. You will learn by experience how much you can turn the bike at the specific speed with that specific bike. And beginners doesn't know that yet. That's why they must slow way down to their comfort level at the each corner if they don't wanna crash. Peace! 😎
Duh, considering that leaning the bike IS steering...
@@jridenour31 Leaning is not steering. Steering makes bike lean and turn.
Learn trail braking and delayed apexes and you won't have to compensate past the half way point in a turn.
I know this road... when I was learning I came out there to practice
I notice a lot of riders turn late not so much as slowly
so counter steer until required lean angle achieved then let off most of the bar pressure and let the front wheel do its thing, or actively hold pressure the entire time you're leaned? which way is correct?
Hold forward pressure on for the duration of the bend. To straighten up, just ease the pressure off.
@@peterklop9015
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Hey Eddie, my hands get numb when I’m riding my Ninja 400 after some time on the road. Do you have any tips on how to avoid that?
You might be gripping too tight.
Also, gloves with padded palms may help.
The Ninja 400 has a relatively upright riding position, so shouldn't be too much weight
on your hands.
Squeeze those knees.
This is extremely common with my friends and they don't know they are steering too slow
It's hard just thinking about doing it .
shouldn't have to add lean angle half way point. get your lean angle correct, on entry
on most turns, initiate and halfway point you want the most countesteering, because you want the most lean angle
How do I know what the desired lean angle is for a given corner? Practice?
The desired lean angle for every corner is dictated by the speed that you are going through the corner. A faster speed calls for a deeper lean angle. And yes, you must practice.
Do i have to keep pushing/pulling in counter steering or just a quick steer on long curve?
For the duration.
Start to ride, it will feel strange and scary at first.
Then after a while it is natural.
I slowed down so much before a sharp turn when I began riding.
Then i began finding MY speed in the turns, and now I ride at a higher pace but still safer then I used to.
So, it is allmost imposible to explain "how to ride".
You must find YOUR ride, but take tips from those who are experienced.
My advice is: Dont think so much when you start riding on the bike, focus on safty and to spot danger in time.
And start in low hazard areas, like parkinglots, slow safe riding in open country road and so on.
ohh, thats exactly me, do You think training on a parking lot at a low speed helps with faster lean / fear of leaning too?
Yes, if you can get comfortable drigging pegs in a parking lot, you will lose your fear of leaning in corners.
@@countryjoe3551
GPS..Nice to Have That Heads Up!!
you don't look at it for a "heads up"
Would the same apply to a scooter? I find countersteering difficult while holding onto the handlebars and keeping the throttle open.
bike doesn't matter
Ok here is a question on counter-steering vs parking lot steering. In the transition speed where speed ,I think over 20mph, if you are close to that speed say 25, a car turns left….and you need to swerve, if you don’t look at your speedometer, how do you know which steering method to choose?
If I were to push right, with my right hand and pull with my left hand a bit hard and jerky like to “quickly” steer left, I could move the bike to the right and drive into the vehicle vs steer away from them.
How do I know when nearing the transition speed between car steering vs counter steering, which method is correct BEFORE moving the handle bars?
That’s something I don’t see ANY INSTRUCTOR addressing, for that matter at any speed. Is there a point where at say highway speeds and you swerve to avoid an animal darting out in front of you where emergency steering requires car steering logic with hard effort against inertia vs hard counter steering ? Say deer (yeah the Tali-Bambi suicide deer again) darts right to left and I can swerve right to cut behind deer, say 60mph on a 2 lane straightaway, to swerve quickly requires fast possibly considerable strength to quickly swerve the bike right, again, at speed, which steering instinct do I choose? Car steering or counter steering?
Basically for emergency avoidance where steering the bike at slow or freeway speeds avoids a collision, which steering method or logic should a rider choose when below counter steering speed vs above it? Car steering for all emergency swerves or counter steering?
There’s no such thing as “parking lot steering” it’s always counter steering at any speed. Go ride and see for yourself
@@MotoJitsu That’s what I plan on doing when I get back on home time 😃. Gotta wait a few months first. That’s the thing about long haul trucking, big stretch of work and little home time.
That’s why I am studying your videos and MC Rider and others to build a mental foundation before I start riding in April. This will help speed up my learning process . I prefer to study a lot for years or months in advance before doing anything new. Just makes learning faster and easier.
My first bike is a 2023 KLR 650. Of my friends who ride, the least experienced is 20 years and the most is 60 years. So I am in good company 👍
That is why I was asking between handle bar steering like in your slow speed drills 0-5mph in a parking lot vs counter steering at higher speeds. Just trying to pre-program some good habits before I start and reduce the amount of beginner level mistakes as much as possible.
That’s how I started out when learning how to drive an 18 wheeler 30 years ago. 3 years of studying before I got behind the wheel. Only drove a car a year and a half out of drivers ed when I started with an 86 Kenworth W900 with a 400hp Cummins and a 15 speed transmission with a 45 foot flatbed and 45,000 pounds of Lumber with just 2 days of class room time and the rest was over the road😂
This approach of advanced preparation research and study has served me well over the last 30 plus years. Didn’t matter if it was trucking, weapons, technology, or as I am going through, motorcycles. It’s better than starting blind in something new. Which is why I watch accident reviews from DanDan the Fireman channel as well . Gotta start somewhere right?
Ahah! Maybe that’s my problem. Thanks
At the middle of the corner to lean more you need to counter steer? Arent you gona lose controll of front wheel?
If you need to lean more in a bend push the inside grip a little more, less lean just release the pressure a little. The response from the bike is immediate.
It feels scary though when you lean more… so therefore I make correction during corners… it super difficult for me to lean more as it scares me…
Two questions:
How would the rider make sure he/she is not pushing "too quick"? So basically, how to determine the ideal speed of pushing?
Second, could you talk about this common mistake combined with trail braking? Would it affect your speed of steering? If yes, how?
Begin to ride
Ride slow and safe
Keep riding safe, but a bit faster
Keep analyzing your own rides (esp when it "dont felt so good in that corner"
Then after some time, you just feel when its right.
But accept, you can allways be better!
And better dont just mean faster! 🙂
You can't push too quick.
For the spyder model bikes, does the counter steering work? I don't have one and anyone who has one please make a comment, thanks
No since spyders how 3 wheels you steer in the direction you want to go if you try counter steering on a 3 wheel vehicle you will go in the wrong direction
Your eye line is higher than that perspex world warping wind shield, I hope.
I feel attacked 😂 seriously though I catch myself slow steering from time to time
I do it without thinking about it
Anyone else watching for the speed limit signs while watching his speedometer?😂
I want to get this good,where I can take a turn going 20 mph above the speed limit😁
Them are hardly corners !!!😮
You have a way of figuring all the stuff I do wrong. I still gave it a like but Darn 😢