Motorcycle riding tips: Advanced positioning demo with commentary
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Here's an upload showing advanced lines/positioning to be taken around bends on my Honda st1100 Pan European. It's not as easy as the books suggest as you have to take a lot of different situations into consideration. How to assess corners. Commentary ride.
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As I've said before Russ moving into position 1 for hgvs saved my life. Everyone take note please. Thanks again for the great videos. Plus saving my bacon. 😁
I love to hear these stories! Shows what I'm doing is worthwhile. Thanks. ☺
Mate it's so worthwhile. I owe you a coffee next time I'm passing your way.
Agreed!
@@RoadcraftNottingham I was out for an advanced session with you a year or so ago and this was one of the first things you taught me. I went on to do the iAM advanced course, who consistently told me that was incorrect and rather i should ride through the center of the safety bubble. Their rationale seemed to be riding to a book standard rather than 'real-world' so I carried on as you taught me. Had the opportunity to do the iAM test with a guy who'd previously ridden for the Special Escort Group in London and even he said position 1/2 (the iAMs lane deliniation) was far safer. I honestly had an LVG then run over the center line after getting caught by a cross-wind on the way back from that test ride, totally vindicated your teaching, cheers Russ.
@@briancollins4553 thanks for the feedback Brian, yes, I try to get away from the robotics of some books and try to open people's minds up.
as a hgv driver and a IAM rider,this advice is great.HGV's trailer will cross centre lines on sharp rural corners,we cannot prevent it,keep away from that centre line if you see us coming pls,seen so many riders stick to their position like glue because they dont recognise the dangers👍
Yes, at the beginning of my how to ride in police style advanced upload a lorry has crossed the white lines. A lot of advanced riders don't consider this and just say "dominate your position". Thanks for the comment.
Great video and I agree with all the comments.
Experience has taught me to use the default position I was trained to in most situations, but also not to be afraid to adjust position due to weather, road surface or for potential dangers.
@@petervan-huysse5803 Isn't that why instead of having the old 7 positions or the more recent 5 positions we are now down to only 3 positions. Position 3 being the outside position is no longer close to the middle lines of a road but now borders on the sump line, the central position 2. This was because at times in the old position 7 or 5 being close to the centre line on bends we might meet a vehicle head on which has crossed over that line and approaching us at double our speed. Under those circumstances we are told to sacrifice such a position and move in to 1 or 2 in order to avoid a collision but now its believed that we should not be instructed to place ourselves in that insidious position in the first place.
Whilst riding on country roads and on bends I take note of the middle white lines. It seems to be a bit hit and miss so to speak. Some counties love them, putting hem everywhere and they can be frustrating as they can slow progress but some other counties don't appear to like them and their roads are devoid of solid white lines. Maybe they havn't got the accidents that some counties have or just maybe they cant be bothered.
I also look to see just how worn those lines are and if the lines are well worn it indicates that many vehicles coming the other way have run over the lines and almost destroyed them. That is a further indication to me of the danger of being close to them and perhaps justifies the reason the Police Roadcraft changed their attitude towards riding on or close to them .
Have ridden 40 years all the year round. Out today on way to work in dark and wet. Still learning by my mistakes and others. Your videos are helping all riders keep safe. Thanks.
Thanks Raymond. ☺
What do you think of commuting without abs? I am almost through my a2 license and have only commuted with ABS bikes. I've ridden other bikes too, but never in the wet and/or in traffic. Is ABS worth it or can a "non-abs" bike be fine too?
@@bobu32 I would always choose a bike with ABS over a non ABS model. It's there in case you "run out of talent" never rely on it but like airbags and seat belts in cars, they could save you one day.
@@bobu32 I would argue that non abs on a commuting bike is more dangerous because you're going to be on the bike tired, not thinking about braking
The one channel on UA-cam where I can watch first-person riding footage and not twitch at the rider's choice of road positioning :) Excellent instructional video, as always.
Very kind of you to say. Thanks
Accident investigator in Devon said that texting drivers drift over the centre line. Explains a number of “inexplicable” accidents. Even more reason to move away from oncoming traffic.
I wonder if that's merely an opinion or is it based on true investigations of such accidents. Maybe it's because of sneezing.
Should they now be called Collision Investigators nowadays.
judgedredd49 Well, he was the lead police investigator for fatal accidents in Devon and Cornwall, so I’m guessing that it was more than just opinion.
@@etiennelabeille I hope so as if it was an opinion then the real cause of such 'inexplicable' collisions could be something else not identified. That being said its obvious that one should at all times stay away from such a possible danger and that's why the number 3 position is now on the offside car tyre line and no longer closer to the middle lines of the road.
My uncle coughed and trashed his Beetle.
As a process man myself I always find your systematic advice helpful Russ. Good to see such smooth progress too on that slimy looking surface we see on UK winter roads. Keep them coming!
Thanks buddy. I like challenges as I'm sure you do, keeps us polished
Riding my bike to the garage for the first time with my dad in tow in his car to take me back home. On the drive home he was asking "Why are you all over the road!?!". "POSITION! POSITION! POSITION!" I screamed.
Seriously though, the amount of riders that stick to position 2 is insane. In 3 and a half years of riding I have only followed 1 motorcyclist that knows about position.
NO wonder there are so many motorcycle deaths on the roads when 90% of them have the "How hard can it be? Just jump on and go!!" attitude. Sure, technically speaking, to get a bike moving, to operate it, is no harder than operating a car, but there is a heck of a lot more to it than just riding forward.
I was studying motorcycling for 6 months solid learning as much as I could. Literally 6 months, every single day (no exaggeration) before I even did the CBT (preparation is key). When I learnt something new I asked a couple of motorcyclists (who worked with me) with 10+ years experience questions, questions like road position, counter steering, road scanning, looking through the bend with not just your eyes, but with your chin.
Their response to all of my questions?? "I don't know". Jesus H Christ!!!
And, My advice for people that have never driven on the roads before, not even in a car - Don't f*ckin' dare race through CBT and do a DAS course ASAP just to get that shiny new sports bike you've always wanted. You will die. Study as much as you can for as long as you can endure, go and get a CBT, ride for at LEAST a year at minimum, learn the roads, learn the traffic, hone your survival skills, study the theory on and off for that entire time you are on the 125, be it for a year, two....or however long you are on the 125 for. You start with an empty bag of experience and a bag full of luck, fill the bag of experience before the luck runs out. For 3 years I was riding on CBT, no matter how much I wanted to get my test done, no matter how jealous I was when a biker passed me when I was going flat out, I took my time, I was ready when I was ready, not when my ego told me I was ready. Now I have a GSX-S750 as my first big bike.
Bikes are fucking powerful, insanely powerful for the power to weight ratio. Even the lower CC bikes are powerful for what they are and can land you in all sorts of trouble if you don't know what you are doing. IF you are the kind of guy, or gal that needs to satisfy your ego by motoring through CBT then DAS straight after it, you better tell your family to start going through the funeral arrangements. The world is full of ego riders, don't be one of them.
Don't be stupid, use your head, do the right thing, difficult to enjoy motorcycling when you are dead.
Best hobby ever!!! Did 10K a year on my 125, riding as much as I can when I can (regardless of weather or time of day/night), and it is still going strong and is still used regularly as my backup bike to the 750 at this time of year, don't want to get my shiny 750 all messed up with road salt. And in 5 months with the 750 I have already done almost 7K haha. Forget resale value. Bikes are there to be ridden!!!!
There is nothing wrong with position 2 if that is the safest position to be in on that road at that time., I see forever riders that seem to veer across the road for the slightest purpose or indeed no apparent reason or benefit and sometimes are making life difficult for themselves. I have seen them by the kerb , they no no other position and suffering all sorts of debris and grates etc and being overtaken by all without the car drivers giving a toss for the motorcyclists or scooter riders safety. Under these circumstances the rider is not actually being safe themselves but thats all they know. They know no different, they have just done a CBT and that was a couple of years ago and learned nothing since. The outside or position 3 is sometimes misunderstood by some cage drivers as an intention to turn right ahead and I have known some rider to be undertaken when in this position. So no matter what position is adopted one has to be careful whatever that position one chooses. If its the correct one all well and good but if not then it's goodby Mr. Chips for some.
@@judgedredd49 let me clarify, when I mentioned about people sticking to position 2, I also meant full licence holders. Also, of course you give up road position for safety if required to do so.
Watch the motorcycle videos online and you will see this rarely happens and they also don't react to an impending hazard because "they have right of way" which is ludicrous. Who will win, 1.5 tonne+ or 80kg of flesh and bone?
@@nvstewart Stewart. I do not disagree but one must remember that the vast majority of riders have only had a CBT and maybe some training in readiness for the DVSA test. Under those circumstances they will have only been trained to use the middle lane of one's carriageway and to move rarely from that position. Indeed that is a position that if they don't take it up they could fail the whole test. So they become conditioned to take that position. When I took the test in the 1960's we were taught to stay in the left hand side of the lane close to the kerb. Obviously were talking about around town and probably having only one lane to ride in .It has changed since then thank goodness. Some, after years of riding still have not realised that they could make use of all the road and as you say they are experienced riders but have never taken up any other form of training or assessments that are available to help put them right and safer.
I would also say that some riders always adopt a following on position that is far too close to the vehicle in front. Last week I saw a scooter rider with passenger and L plates [ obviously illegal] and they were only about 2 metres behind a double decker bus. They had to swerve hard to avoid hitting the bus when it came to a bus stop. This in some part is due to the DVSA advocating a closer than the safe stopping distance when in heavy a traffic queues and in town. They say in the' Drivers handbook' that its a positions that increases risk so why do they advocate it? According to them its in order to save valuable road space. That bugs me as its tantamount to Tailgating which is not only illegal but responsible for too many collisions that can seriously injure riders or kill them.
Nice video Russ. 👍 I often have to discuss riders taking quite harsh position changes just to miss a manhole cover when they are upright. The move they made was more dangerous than going over the thing. Having said that, if I can blend my line so I miss a raised/sunken one I will. In the wet and on a bend, if you must hit them then it is best to clip them towards the outside of the bend. That way any slip will be minimised. Good to hear mention of positioning for safety and not just view. You also straightened the curves a little if you had a good view. All good stuff and the same sort of riding I do in my videos/commentary demos. 🏍
Thanks Mike, if I see it far enough away I sometimes make a steady movement away too but when people say they slipped on white lines/manholes they probably simply felt the bike change grip, that's all and if it DOES slip, chances are it's only a few inches before re-gripping unless they're doing some extreme and harsh riding. Makes me laugh how many qualified riders still swerve like the lids missing lol.
@@RoadcraftNottingham You do have to watch some white lines though as on the rural B roads they are often over painted and then over painted again, leading to them being quite a ridge. If you are not crossing them with enough angle you can get a tram-lining effect, which can be very unsettling.
@@mikeroberts add to this, as we know in winter there may be unthawed frost on the paint.
Good to see you uploading again!
I LOVE how SIMPLE your videos are AND HOW INFORMATIVE 👍🏽👌🏽
This was seriously good. Great road craft. Clear, focused and safe.
Great vid. I have been riding all year round for years and (mostly) been doing what you have been saying. Just about to start prep for my Advanced so these videos are awesome. Great delivery and explanation. Just what I need.
Pleased to hear you're doing your advanced, I recently took my third advanced exam recently in order to get an official dvsa ers qualification and got gold riding like this. Good luck. ☺
Passed my tests with Roadcraft, just moving onto IAM , great videos and advice, many thanks to Russ & the team at Roadcraft,
Said this many times but your videos helped me through CBT and DAS a few years ago. I learned so much from your videos and continue to do so to this day! Thank you
You're very welcome
Really enjoyed that, safety over positioning. I understand why each position was made and it was interesting to hear the different gears to be in for speeds and cornering. Learned alot there, thank you.
You're welcome and thanks for the comment
@RoadcraftNottingham This is a fantastic video! I am a new rider on a Piaggio MP3 on a full car licence and this has been invaluable in getting better at riding and positioning. Thank you.
Cheers for another great tutorial. I've been recommending your vids to other riders for years. Surprising how many experienced riders don't know some of the basics.
Thanks and keep sharing. You may help save a life. ☺
As a Noob rider, I find your vid's hugely informative and invaluable to ongoing learning.
You're way better at teaching than the "gold star" rated instructor I had last year.
Thanks Rich. ☺
You never stop learning!
Even though I'm not from your area, this is very helpful. I had to really focus on watching your position changes and listen to why; makes a lot of sense why you did the moves. I'm also not used to riding wet roads as much as you are. Because it hardly ever rains, when it does, it's so bad. Thank you for sharing this; it's enlightening.
You're welcome. As you've probably noticed I'm playing catch up with the comment replies lol
Awesome you still doing business Russ. You won’t recall, but I did some advanced training with you over 15 years ago and served me well. I also did my learners with you guys over 20 years ago.
Some great tips, particularly the manhole covers/furniture issue which I totally agree with.
Just wanted to say thanks for making these videos. I have been riding for years but have always sat in position 3 (when not cornering) but today I followed your advice and it felt a damn sight more safer to be aware from the oncoming cars. Today I encountered a couple of oncoming cars straddle the white lines with their drivers on phones, and being in position 1 already meant that they passed without any stress. I arrived home more relaxed than ever. Thanks Russ
That's really nice to hear. Thanks for the comment and you're welcome. ☺
Very informative and thoroughly enjoyable thanks
Thanks Russ, one small tip or reminder can be the difference, everyday is a school day, even after all these years, glad to se you still have the old pan.
You're welcome buddy.
Excellent video on road positioning. I have shared it with my son and daughter-in-law.
Thanks
Ross several years after passing my test I still come back to your videos. For the road riding tips you are the best. Highly underrated channel.
Thank you. It's always good to have a brush up. ☺
An excellent tutorial, cheers.
Great! I found you again... have not been getting regular updates for ages!! Ex Essex boy now living
in New Zealand and I got into motorcycles in my mid-50's. Really enjoy your videos they are
life-savers! If only some of the people who have died on bikes
over here had watched some of
your videos they might still be
with us! Keep up the awesome work.
Welcome back Gerry. Unfortunately some people don't think they have anything to learn. You can lead a horse to water.... ☺
Fantastic demo mate.
Cheers. ☺
Wow, been past that cafe at the start during my tour earlier this year. What a great area.
Cheers, for all the tips and knowledge
You're welcome
Three years later I'm still sharing this with my Associates, great tool for working on Positioning.
Thanks Graham, excellent feedback, makes what I do worthwhile. ☺
Proving smooth is fast. Great advice.
Great video Russ. I am an IAM advanced rider but love to watch these vids as a refresher. Would love to see more like this from you.
Thanks Aide. Any special requests?
@@RoadcraftNottingham Maybe something on three stage overtakes or approaching junctions.
Excellent demonstration thank you.
You're welcome and thank you too.
Excellent video. Nice clear instructions will definitely be trying it out on my next ride.
Let me know how you get on
Excellent intuitive riding
Thanks.
thanks for your videos helps me learn :)
You're very welcome
Excellent vid. Thank you
Absolutely with you about man-hole covers, the only thing I would add is that on cold days they can have ice on them when the rest of the road doesn't. Not a problem when you're going straight but may affect your decision when in a lean.
Well said Geoff, I'd imagine they can be as bad as white lines for being the last to thaw.
Very good video! I did my IAM advanced bike course and had a good standard pass. Great emphasis on positioning which mirrors what’s you’ve said and explained here. Also positioning so other road users can see us easier. And not riding in other vehicles blind spots. But end of they day, it comes down to safety as you rightly say.
Thanks John and congrats on the pass.
I love your lessons, always watch with interest your videos, keep up with the good job! thanks and cheers from Italy
Cheers buddy. ☺
Just passed my advanced rider with I.A.M. It’s thanks to these video’s that I got my head in right place for safer smoother riding. Many thanks
Well done and thanks for watching. ☺
I work for the Council and we have to call them inspection covers, as they are suitable for women too! Good to have a video that reminds those of us that stay away from road salt of the importance of being flexible on corner positioning. I have tried to do the talk but find its like trying to lick my elbow. Keep up the good work
Strikers
Lol. Practise makes perfect. Start on basic more important things then work up
Hi Russ.
All good material ... it is clear to see (and hear) your well-versed skill at delivering content.
To reinforce some of the contributors comments if I may ?
Yes ! too many "advanced" riders cling to the crown (middle guys) of the road on left hand bends as if it is a galvanised process?
Crazy !
If there is a clear view ahead, i agree with you, "Why sit out there ?" especially near solid lines and "Heavies".
Safety, Stability then View, every time.
Absolutely! the whole riding process is born of excellent vision to obtain the info required to formulate our riding plan and ride in the safest and most appropriate part of the road.
The cycle of information, position, information, position just feeds itself into a loop. And so the journey continues.
Great stuff !
Si
Very eloquently put, thank you. Stay safe. Russ
Nice road positioning . Smooth and slick.👍👊
Cheers Keith. There's always room for improvement, always striving. ☺
Good clear informative video. Worth mentioning for rural roads you can split advice between single and standard carriageways. On single track lanes I tend to drop back further than the standard 2 second gap to perhaps 3 or 4 seconds, esp if damp. This allows an extra safety margin for shielding where your view ahead may be more obscured. On standard carriageways I always move to position 1 for farm vehicles and slow down because sometimes its difficult to see what attachments they are carrying until quite close and many of these overhang the centre so are a particular danger. Ditto hgvs especially on bends where the rear wheels will often cut the centreline. Position 1 every time for hgvs, buses and farm traffic as well as for cars towing caravans or horse boxes. Position 2 is generally fine for cars but if the view ahead is good there’s still benefit in taking position 1 for all oncoming.
I like watching your videos as a way of validating my own roadskills on a bike, I learned the hard way for positioning with an oncoming HGV, nothing serious but I was riding in heavy rain and the oncoming HGV gave me and my bike a thorough wash down with the spray which caused me to panic a little and it was a good job I was on a familiar road and it was a straight part of it which I've learned to now always be in POS 1 when I have any size of HGV oncoming. I'm a HGV driver so its also given me something to think about whenever I have a biker coming towards me in wet weather conditions, I'm sure many other HGV drivers do this as well and thats whenever I notice a biker behind me I will indicate left to signal its safe for the rider to have a peek and decide whetherto pass or not. I understand that the view of the road in a HGV compared to a bike is chalk and cheese because of the differences in height. So if riding behind a HGV and the driver indicates left always exercise caution and don't take it as a green light to drop a gear and go
Good points. Thanks
Many years ago, on a T140E, I was going into that tight left bend at the top of Lindum Road. An oncoming HGV cab was on its correct side, but the rear end was NOT! It took my RH mirror, all happened so fast, shook me up and a lesson learned the hard way. I should have been nearer position 1 of course. Just bought a 2021 T120, new right knee says "No thanks" to kickstarting! Too wet and cold to take the latest Bonnie out, plus insurance to sort. So many technical refinements ... a GREAT video, thanks, also preparing for the IAM test, Liam
I did the AIM course a long time ago. Now, as an older rider I would
highly recommend anyone with two or more years riding experience take it.
Get series of videos, just done my IAM course though I learnt a lot, I find your style of riding and tips for safe riding makes more sense. With the advance courses they focus a lot more on progress, I got marked down for not overtaking two other motorcycles as I was being respectful and keeping a safe distance so not to pressure them.
Nice to see the old ST still out there doing its thing. I miss my candy red '93 model!
Sold the triumph. Think I'll have this till I can't hold it any more
You remind me of my mate Fred. I've came on leaps and bounds over the years and a lot of it is thanks to him. He has the same technique and watching you was very much like following him. I like to slag him off though because he tells me how to ride... Secretly, I appreciate the guidance. Cool video.
😂 I've had friends like that.
many thanks - passed my Mod 2 today (1st time) and your vids really helped, thank you
Excellent, well done!
@@RoadcraftNottingham no problem, i really appreciate your effort in doing the videos etc, keep it up i will keep watching - always learning
Thanks dude really useful!
Great video mate. I did my advanced test last year and the training was amazing. Its so worth doing. I feel a lot safer on the road and more prepared and able to cope with difficult situations. I am more smooth when riding and therefore safer.
Advanced training really opens your eyes up and increases your enjoyment for sure. ☺
@@RoadcraftNottingham I really enjoy your videos and look forward to many more. I have applied with my local IAM to become an observer, just waiting for spaces now.
@@bikingwithgrantygrant779 good luck with that, you'll love it. My only advice would be to not blindly follow what a trainer tells you. Research everything. ☺
@@RoadcraftNottingham thank you for the advice. I will do :)
Did enjoy that video, very informative. Thankyou.
You're welcome. ☺
Thank you for all your very informative videos! I am a new rider and I have found that your videos are a great help to me. Riding conditions here in Malaysia are waaaaaay more challenging as we lack law enforcement. We follow, in fact, adopt UK's traffic laws into our system (being a Commonwealth nation), but alas, drivers and riders here are like cowboys! One needs to be extra careful especially when riding motorcycles.
Agreed. Thanks for the comment
I did the IAM green badge and rode big bikes for years in Europe but all of that only slightly prepared me for riding a 125cc scooter in a developing country. It's beyond insane.
About the manhole cover you mention in the beginning, the famous video "Twist of the Wrist 2" shows exactly what you mention at ~1:30 about regaining traction.
They demonstrate this principle with a bike almost fully leaned over, hitting a patch of sand (arguably even worse than a manhole cover in terms of grip). Keeping a steady throttle and not upsetting the bike shows it being slightly unsettled after which it immediately gets grip again continuing on its trajectory.
However they also demonstrate what happens if you 'panic' and swiftly close the throttle. You guessed it: front just slides away with no ability to recover.
For some reason I thought your Pan was out of your life. Glad to see you still have it. It looks like it may outlive you ;)
That won't be hard, it's a Honda. ☺
Good road strategy here. This is well done 👍
Thankyou
Thanks for uploading this, great video. I have just started the IAM Roadsmart course and I find this advice very relevant. One of my many failings is speed (not fast enough) and I seem to have a problem with left hand bends. I've really no idea why, I wish I did! I know the bike is far more capable than I'll ever be (Tracer 900) but the problem persists. I know it's me, I need practice, and more practice to build my confidence back up. I had a 16 year break from bikes and returned in 2016.
You're welcome. A lot of speed errors are usually down to how much information you take and how you process it. Lift your head, read your limit point and plan the bend further ahead. This will make things much easier in time but don't try too much too soon, work up to it. Good luck.
Well presented video which keeps it simple. There are too many videos out there where 'instructors' position themselves for effect with no advantage gains. Safety first then increased view and/or balance/control. Planning for what you can see and what can reasonably be expected to happen. Keep up the good work.
Many thanks.
Very sensible. It spells out how I mostly ride with oncoming traffic.
Thanks. That's good to hear. ☺
Absolute awesome video, given me a better unstanding on position, on my cbt they just told me about the position not how to use them properly 👍
Just remember not to use position 3 on left hand bends until you become more experienced. Be safe. ☺
Excellent
great info thanks
Brilliant! Thanks for the video...
You're welcome, sorry for the delay
I still get a little paranoid about my positioning and this has helped a lot, just need to put it to practice! Thanks!
You're welcome and there's nothing wrong with being paranoid, it's kept me alive. ☺
Great video, I only wish I could go on my bike now but there's ice everywhere!
In fact, I've gotta go out now in this cold to clean it down and get it away for the winter.
Ice cleared yet? ☺
Great video. More videos like this would be great
What specifically were you thinking?
More videos of how you drive on different roads, what you are looking at ,why you are moving from one position to another. Thank you for your quick reply.
@@zaccariabeniaminoprofeta1541 leave it with me buddy, I'll see what I can do.
Thanks a lot for this!
You're welcome
Thank you Russ for the upload , grate riding and advice as always ... TBH i normally ride in P2 (centre of lane or "sump line," as you call it) and very rarely change positions as i feel its best of both worlds , visibility and safety from on coming cars and considering its not 1980's don't have to worry too much about cars leaking oil and in winter time its normally most dry part of road
Agreed, just remember to keep your eye on the condition of p2 as there was loadsa mud today.
@@RoadcraftNottingham will do .. cheers Russ, appreciate it.
Thanks for the lesson...
You're welcome
Very helpful.
Good video, i always advise my trainees to sacrifice position for safety.
Agreed. ☺
Very good video.
Thanks
Very informative - never had any training before but I use the same principles as you when I'm out riding - I live in rural Oxfordshire and have to consider things like large 4WD vehicles and agricultural ones too, such as tractors ( these also take up all the road when they pull out on to it ) - they leave all sorts of crap on the roads - wildlife too - pheasants and deer.
There are some lovely little single track roads around here, but I now choose not to ride them because the local drivers drive too fast on them and in many places there just isn't the room to avoid a collision without throwing the bike into a hedge or stone wall.
Also, if I've not ridden the bike for several months, the first time i get back on it, I always choose an easy route to ride so I can ease myself back into it and blow away the cobwebs.
Thanks
Steve
Isn't it sad though that you have to restrict your enjoyment because of the idiots?
Roadcraft Nottingham
True
Some bike riders don’t help either sad to say, not that I am perfect by any means but I know what my riding skill limits are and don’t go beyond them - slow enough to enjoy the scenery, fast enough to enjoys the bends.
Steve
And remember your safe vision limits usually arrive earlier than your ability limits
Great vid on the Via Gellia ^.^
Thanks
Every day is a day at school , good positioning
I've been riding long enough to remember when the myth of the sump lane was real. These days it's often the best line on worn out roads - and the state of position one here rurally with all the intenet manhole covers which follow the roads from the cable landing stations makes a trip to position one on a bend quite a rarity for me, specially in the wet.
I initially did what other people told me years ago about the lane position so you can get a better view. After thinking about it for a long time I decided it was generally a flawed system . I havnt used it for over 30 years and never been suprised by a vehicle and my cornering is much better with minimal lean. I may stay away from the far left if bushes etc are blocking my view or if i am being tailgated but generally I think its flawed to go right when you intend to corner left. If my view is obstucted then i slow down. Anyway each to their own cheers.
I absolutely agree with you. In modern traffic with lower speed limits, bad road surfaces and us not being police riders on an emergency call there's really no need to be in any particular position let alone extreme positions and by slowing down by 5mph or so could completely remove any need to move at all apart from debris etc. Really can't argue with you 😂. Unfortunately some brainwashed still insist that extra 20 metres you get makes all the difference.
If anything. I'll start using the 1 to 3 scale for corners to make it easier to remind myself when I'm riding.
Nice video... we are all one community and all advice and opinion is so very valuable.. I use the 5 position system but never use position 1 (does that make it a 4 position system? Hmm).. I agree with all commentary on drains.. straight they are good, on a bend they are bad, in the wet and on a bend they are apocoliptic.
Agreed
Thank god - it's just riding video....no "feeling it". Phew! :D
Great vid btw
Thanks
I drive for longcliffe and I also ride a z1000 im up and down that road 4 to 6 times a day so many things to catch you out trucks Stone n dirt all over water running across the road list is endless great ride down mate especially positioning pretty identical to you but I know the road inside out
Thanks. Love that road but it's a challenge to do right. Cheers.
Brill & inspirational, going for the ROSPA Gold next year. Have done a video on motorway positioning?
I'll get onto it. ☺ Go for gold 🥇. ☺
I've been told to try these for my cbt and das course this video tells me different
Yes, this is more advanced riding, watch my normal demonstration rides.
great!!! thank you
Hi. had a incedent while turning off a round about in the wet and leaning into the sharp corner and going over a pothole that was a couple inches under the level of road, ie it ha sunk down, my back wheel lost grip and I almost lost it. it sort of did a bunny hop, once was back onto tarmac found grip straight away, it just gave me a bit of a fright. Mind you my suspension is a bit hard... Quite agree with your analasys of trail braking, only keep the brakes on when its really tight and once at the appex and can see my exit its back on the throttle. instructor kept telling me off on the carpark cone weave for not using back brake, on my fazer don't feel the need, have learnt and practice all the time that I can do it just using the clutch, my idle speed is just enough. not sure if you can understand what I am saying but great video, thanks
Again perhaps the most sensible approach to position on the net.
Miss the view of the yam gts front wheel though.
Well I may have to get back out there then. ☺
The only time ive come off a bike is going over a manhole cover, it was damp, i was a very inexperienced rider, pulling out of a junction going right, straight over a manhole cover and the bike did a 180 and we both ended up on the ground, it was a learning experience and i always try to avoid them now, specially when cornering
Awesome
Cheers
Nice ride, nice and easy just like it should be . Seeing and taking into account various possible dangers to make it a safer ride. Nice one. Its nice to see a rider riding like a police officer should whilst on normal road patrol duties and not wanting to tear arse around the country roads to make as much fast progress as if he were going somewhere where he is needed. We want and need more common sense in our riding style and yes maybe, just maybe try to emulate that safe riding technique that is taught to a police rider. After all that what Roadcraft and Advanced riding is all about.
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@@RoadcraftNottingham No probs.
The original....and still the best
There's only so many car park or sitting behind a desk instructional videos a person can put up with. 😉
I always turn in early from 3 on a blind left corner, had to many cars come round the corner on or over the middle line
Yep, safety first.
I was in Southampton coming up to a red light, no one was behind me so I was braking softly. It had rained earlier so the road was damp, and there was a manhole cover in the left side of the lane so I positioned myself in advance to pass to the right side of it. Then I got up off the road.
Best I could tell, the road surface that had been manually laid around the manhole was too smooth so I lost grip. Combined with the cheap CSN stock tyres that Yamaha used on their 125s, which had a very bad reputation, the bike went over before I knew what happened
Luckily no one was behind me, unluckily my little finger ended up under the bar end.
I also had an accident where I broke my elbow a few years earlier, when I caught some mud I was avoiding on a right-angled corner. At least on that occasion I was able to pick the bike up and ride home, before going to hospital and needing surgery. In Southampton I had to abandon the bike and get the train back to London with my hand in a cast.
Unfortunately the bike I had then, a YBR125 Custom, had a weird wheel size so there was only one other brand of tubeless tyres available. But they were by Michelin and I never had any accidents after changing to them.
The point to all is some combination of not thinking a manhole cover is the only hazard as avoiding one could make things worse, that breaking a little finger is more annoying and inconvenient that shattering a bone in the elbow joint, ensuring you have good tyres is more important than avoiding manhole covers, and to never go to Southampton.
Honestly, if you go to Portsmouth the parking is free for bikes, and you can watch the hovercraft spin 180° on the beach. Though I admit I do still tend to position to go around manhole covers despite knowing better.
You're right that tyres can make a hell of a difference just watch my recent Avon tyre upload. Thanks for your comment.
Interesting commentary Russ. I'm still mulling over the fact that you move to P1 for heavy vehicles though. The most obvious issue I can think of is the vehicle swerving or the load falling off. Pitch that against the liklihood of debris in P1 and the middle of the lane seems safer. Would love to hear more on your thought processes behind it.
Remember the book says that amongst other things, riding plans should be based on what may REASONABLY be expected to happen and it's almost unheard of having a heavy spill it's load on a motorcyclist (well I've never heard of it happening) and if the heavy DID swerve it'd get to p2 before p1. Position one to me is the car left tyre tracks. Remember I don't use the 5 or 7 position so am never in the gutter. Hope this helps. Russ
It's not just the moving away for swervers, you are also making yourself more visible to the car/bike looking for an overtake from behind the lorry. We position to see AND to be seen.
Trust me always position one for hgvs if safe to do so. Russell old positioning video saved me from certain death.
Also check out Richard Norman's comment regarding this problem on this upload. ☺
@@richardshilling2958 what was the incident without going into detail?
Sometimes I choose to swerve around road furniture at the last minute just to practice swerving and looking to keep the muscle memory up.
As long as no one wonders what the hell you're doing lol
Positioning. many people will have seen other videos about advanced riding and may well become confused with the numbering of positions. Historically there were 5 positions taught with no. 1 being very close to the kerb, No. 2 being the inside car tyre line, No.3 being the middle or sump line, No.4 being the offside car tyre line and finally No 5 being the line close to or indeed I have heard it mentioned actually as being on the middle white line of the road.
What we have today is only 3 positions. No.1 which is the inside tyre line. No.2 being the sump line , and finally the 3 rd line becomes the offside tyre line and that is it. So we are now no longer putting ourselves close to the potential dangers of being close to the kerb or grass verge and no longer at greater risk if we were to be in the old position 5 close to or actually on the mid line. The furthest we are out is now position 3 which is the offside tyre track of cars .
But none of these numbers were ever official, just opinion (unless you can point me towards an official publication)
@@RoadcraftNottingham All Advanced riding is based on the Police way of riding for the greatest degree of safety and its practises and principals applied to all matters appertaining to advanced riding skill. The Police Roadcraft Manual as it is now known is the book most recommended for reading by any aspiring advanced rider to inwardly digest and follow. How would you ever train to IPSGA without it. Indeed there would be no Advanced riding without Police Roadcraft.
The positions mentioned were an abstraction from the original Police Riding book dated from 1937 and in that certain positions were selected depending on their usage in order to achieve safer riding for police officers. In one of the latest Police Roadcraft Manuals printed in 2013 on page. 177 we are shown positioning for advantage and there are now only three of them. The nearside position, the central position and finally the offside position. There are no other positions like wrong siding position mentioned anywhere in this publication tho it was in some earlier ones. The 3 positions shown on that page represent the 3 positions that we now instruct police officers to use. For training purposes they're numbered as positions 1, 2 and 3. as you know full well.
@@judgedredd49 Roadcraft the manual wasn't adapted for motorcycles until 1965. I've just flicked through my 1965 copy and it doesn't mention the amount of positions, just positioning for safety and view etc. The amount of positions were just inserted by various instructors for ease of explanation. I personally prefer 3 but I suppose it doesn't matter how many people use as long as it's safe.
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I've also checked my 2020 version and it says "nearside, central and offside" rather than 1,2,3. (p189) but it's good they don't over complicate things.
@@RoadcraftNottingham Spot on Russ, originally published in 1955 for the general public as 'Roadcraft' then the first Motorcycle Roadcraft edition in 1965, i've also just purchased the 2020 edition but not read it yet 😄
@@RoadcraftNottingham I do not disagree...... that for the sake of training the now three position are denoted and taught as being 1,2 and 3 but before that change that 5 positions were instructed. I was making the point that you use the more modern 3 positions so that others would not be confused with your position say no. 3 and the old position 3. as many of the older videos still remain showing the 5 positions and that that could be confusing if not pointed out and one didn't know that a change had been made.
There are. however some instructors that still train to the 5 positions and have not changed their training regime in years.
I referred to the 2013 Motorcycle roadcraft as the three new positions are actually shown in that edition but not numbered. Historically the numbering of them had and is still being done by training authorities and instructors.
Hi Russ
Watched all yr Vloggs
Keep up the great work
Only just worked out how to contact u 🥴
Thanks John