Riding tips: General positioning and common mistakes.
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- There's quite a bit more I could have said here but tried to keep it down to 15 minutes by outlining most of it. Feel free to research this in the Police rider's manual, "Roadcraft" and ALWAYS question what you're taught whilst training as some people pass on their opinions as fact.
About my comment at 6:40 .... I was fully aware of what was happening around me as I'd used my mirrors regularly leading up to that point. All I meant was I did a lifesaver for lifesaver's sake out of habit whilst already knowing what was there. Unnecessary at that particular time. Those shoulder checks are still important if you aren't sure what's in your blind spot.
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Quoting someone else in the comments: "Good solid, sensible, technical clip, delivered with a pleasant manner, wish you success"
Awesome tips and videos in your channel man... you earned a sub :)
Been riding almost 8 years now and still learned a few things!
Thanks for your feedback and welcome to the channel. ☺
I don't envy you at all. I ride in position 1 and 3 at all times ... our roads are not built by shitty local councils that opt for the lowest tender bid. And thus they do not fall apart (unless you live in Mumbai).
Then you have the latest speeding penalties that just came into effect ... MAX 2,500 sheets and 9 points !?!?!?
I have never been stopped for speeding here (the cops don't even have speed guns) ... in fact I have *NEVER* stopped for the cops period.
There is a reg-plate on my bike but no-one has ever come to my house after me failing to stop.
Driving / riding in England has become a fucking pain in the arse! If it is not pissing down or freezing cold ... it is getting dark at 16.30.
And on top of that (which has been there forever) you have SPECS cams on the motorway, pigs cars with ANPR etc ...
I know people who have sold their ltr class bike because they can't afford to lose their licence.
*RIP* having fun in England on the roads!
Ray Gun that's what track days are for
I imagine I don't even have my bike license yet so what do I know
Do you like in the UK?
I'm an IAM Observer - I'll be recommending this video to my associates, I like your style!
This is probably the best single advanced style instructional video on the web.
I watched this when I first got back riding last year after 20 year absence.
15000 miles and 12 IAM lessons later and just about IAM test ready and I am confident that this video covers just about everything you need to ride safely and courteously.
It seems to me that some of the Advanced riders I have met (including a well respected examiner) believe that they know when it is acceptable to break the laws like speeding in Nationals as they believe they have the necessary skills to do so.
I would love to know your view on overtaking when there is possibility of the need to pull in between vehicles that are already too close to each other.
Wish I lived nearer Nottingham as I still have much to learn.
Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the kind words. Regarding the overtake, making a gap that isn't there between cars could be viewed as bullying or relying on other motorists for your safety. Sometimes in really long queues of traffic the only other option is to wait. There's the added danger with so many cars in a line of one car suddenly doing a Lewis Hamilton manoeuvre into your path whilst you're already in mid overtake.
@@RoadcraftNottingham My thoughts too. Here's my issue, my IAM observer on the few occasions he leads, gets too close to drivers in my view and though he may know there is possibility of an overtake coming up, it is still intimidating for drivers.
Then on what he said was an exemplary overtake of a line of cars at 50mph on a National Speed limit, because I wouldn't overtake, he shot past me and then had to pull in between 2 cars that were much closer than they should be at that given speed. He then continued the overtake when oncoming traffic had cleared.
My observer and I have had to agree to disagree on both of these points and approaches.
Apart from that having an IAM trained Observer is great but I do think some think that their training means they think they can bend the rules ...especially the examiner I came across last week - bragging about exceeding national speed limits when they can do so safely because of their training and even worse, when he was a Police instructor, bragging about the number of Speeding Tickets that they got dismissed due to their position.
Keep up the great work and thank you for sharing (even the 'wobblecam' ones ;-) ).
@@dardobartoli this is the problem I've had with a lot of observers over the years, they're part time volunteers and aren't always that good but every now and then you get an excellent one. As with ex police.... Sometimes they've trouble letting go of the fact they used to be able to have almost consequence free motoring.
In modern traffic and lower speed limits there's less chance to overtake legally/safely. If you don't agree with a particular observer, look for one that you do agree with (or come up for a couple of hours training with me, someone came down from Aberdeen and loved it) Sounds like your inbuilt safety protocols are working fine.
@@RoadcraftNottingham May just have to take you up on that offer. Perhaps tie it in with my son who wants to get started (so a couple of hours introductory session perhaps).
Thanks
@@dardobartoli that can be arranged. Call 01158370240 when you're ready and leave a message with Richard as I'm off atm and I'll get back to you.
Very good advice thanks. Great to hear someone talking of the respect for other road users and helping to keep them safe too and make their journey less stressful, by your driving/riding.Excellent.
It's interesting to hear the law laid out about not going over the solid white line when presumably overtaking,not even by a mere one inch but whilst you say that the speed limits must be obeyed your personal view is that its ok doing 70 mph in a 60 limit when overtaking as your belief is that that is reasonable. That's a bit it of a double standard if ever I heard one. and tantamount to enabling others to do the same.
That's a bit like reminding riders that speeds over the limit are not to be tolerated but its ok whilst overtaking????? as going faster means that you spend less time on the wrong side of the road. Ergo by your argument its safer. Whatever happened to being unable or unwilling to commit to an overtakes as it would necessitate speeds in excess of the legal limit therefore give consideration to falling back, giving space and staying safe. Live to overtake another day cos I am sure you know the stats and that unnecessary and/or inappropriate overtakes are responsible for a lot of deaths and injuries on our country roads.
Always watch the videos posted by this guy. He is very good. I visit Nottingham twice a month and often see him out with pupils. Passed my test in 1985 and have been back biking again for 2 years. When I move to Nottingam in 9 months I certainly will book a lesson with him. If anybody reads this can they recommend another good teacher on youtube.
I dont even ride a motorcycle and I loved this.
Hi from 4 years in the future, lmao same I’m 14 so can’t lol, do you ride now?
Yet.
Honestly think your one of the clearest providers of information out there thanks man
Great video for someone like me that lives in a rural area, lots of blind and narrow corners out in the country. Well explained!
As well as informative, I get to vicariously go for a nice ride while sat at my desk at work! Ha Ha! :)
Bonus! . 😉
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It was a nice ride wasn't it :)
As a beginner having just completed my Initial Basic Training (as its called in Ireland) I must compliment you on a superb upload, very clear with exellent safety tips. Many thanks!
Thank you,I enjoyed your video on general positioning and common mistakes it was very useful, and made me think more about" where it's best to be" is sometimes less crucial when common sense prevails.It has been a long time since I undertook Avanced rider instruction but I remember the Policeman sayinging when approaching a bus on a bus route expect people to get on and off often ! Ha I thought, as he explained by looking into the rear window you may see people moving on the bus, hands up to press a bell giving you the opportunity to consider your next move.Now it amazes me how many busses have adverts stuck across the rear of their windows obscuring views for everyone,and a big bug bear of mine, the sticker showing a thumbs up saying please let the bus out! Grr don't get me started on that one,I am generally courtious,Ta.
Ever thought that maybe people are weaving between manhole covers because it's fun?
I really do very much appreciate these videos ...
I returned to motorcycles after an almost 30 year brake and, though I've taken pro lessons here and 'do as I'm told' during those I find that when riding alone it's YOUR voice I'm hearing !
Specific things that have helped include
- Position two on the road
- 'It's MY lane'
- Just 'riding through' minor hazards like 'ordinary' manholes and painted markings on a dry surface
- The 'riding in wind and rain' episodes
- Not being obsessed with being right out on the white line to gain that tiny amount of extra vision
Probably could list a dozen more ...
The Biggest Benefit for myself - feeling more relaxed as a result of 'agreeing' with yourself regards the position on the road that I'm adopting
So, many thanks again from NZ !
High level lesson. Enjoyed that. Have never been on a motorbike.... your videos are helping a lot before I go for the CBT and DAS. Thank you.
Thanks RN . It all makes good sense to me. It helps a lot hearing the narrative while getting real time video. Appreciate the effort !
It really helps the novice or intermediate riders to practice this form of talking to one's self about road awareness as a measure for increasing safety. Well done.
Wonderful video and discussion. It reaffirmed many things that I consider during my rides and especially my commutes. and it gave me some things to consider. i feel that proper positioning can avoid problem situations that car drivers create. There is an ebb and flow to traffic. Sometimes I assume a dominant position on the road to avoid being forced into a difficult position by a car. And sometimes i take a passive position and flow with traffic. Always evaluating what is up ahead of my bike.
Excellent, clear instruction. I've been on two wheels since '65 and still love it but remind myself that I will never know it all. Please keep your interesting videos coming.
Thanks for taking the time to post this. As a new rider it is very helpful 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks Russ, another excellent video. I'm returning to riding after an 18yr break, and am amazed how "back to basics" it all feels on the new steed. I'd like to think I'm humble enough to re-learn and watch these roadcraft and tips videos, you *do* forget when you're driving cars and not riding. Onwards with the binge-watching!
We're all still learning one way or another. Thanks for the comment. Have fun. ☺
I completely agree with your views on this. Everything you've said is basically how I was taught on my DAS training which I completed 2 months ago. It wasn't explained in as much depth with the reasoning behind it but it was how I was taught to ride.
On one of my lessons, it was a clear sunny day and I was following another learner and he was weaving around every single drain cover etc.. in the road. I generally hadn't been doing that during my training and never got told to do it, only be careful of them when it was wet and slippery conditions, so glad you brought that up aswell within the video :)
Nice comment. You skewered what's so great about these videos - the explanations give you a reason remember and adopt the advice.
Greetings from Texas. Terrific learnings. I am a new rider and this was very helpful! Thank you!
Thanks so much for taking the effort to post this, I've been searching for a non ego driven lesson for months! Champion!
You're welcome. ☺
excellent video, I've recently bought myself a bike and intend on touring. I'll definitely watch all the videos as they are excellent refresher tool for me. Thanks for your time, effort and advice!
Thank you for your videos. As I'm a new rider with little but growing confidence I have found your videos a big help at improving myself.
Thank you for the gentle reminder to respect drivers as well.
Brilliant safety video! Your videos will save lives - keep it up.
One thing about moving around parked cars and venturing into the centre of the oncoming lane - make sure one uses extra vigilance for cars about to turn left towards you and not looking your way as they wouldn't expect anything to be there.
New to the bike world going though mid life crisis and have completed and passed a driving IAM many years ago which I learn so much not sure if I’m ready yet but will definitely take advanced riding coarse as the video has inspired and convinced me the importance of Advanced Motoring is essential.
Thanks for the great feedback. Be safe. Russ
Thanks for the video...very well done. Although being a US rider I had to reverse everything in my head and translate what you are saying into English but I still enjoyed it. Our laws are so lax though that almost anyone can get a motorcycle endorsement and then allowed to ride anything with two wheels. It's crazy.
It's actually nice watching and hearing you justify a lot of my decision making. I'm constantly asking myself whether what I'm doing would get me into trouble with an examiner. But you, much like my instructor (who got me through my test without a minor), seem to agree that suggested road position isn't just as cut and dry as sitting where you get the best view. Advanced test will be next year for me I think as I (weirdly) really enjoyed lessons and my tests.
This is a brilliant video! I have been riding a 125cc with a CBT license for a few months now and having watched this video i have learnt so much about road positioning and how to be safer on the road! Thanks for the great advice. You've got yourself a new subscriber :D
Thank you. ☺
Brilliant video. I'm essentially studying ready to take DAS in the spring. But your videos have helped me improve my skills on a 125 in the meantime. Thank you.
thank you sir! your videos make us all better, Safer riders! please keep them coming!
Awesome lesson, I've learned View Limit and Positioning from you today took some notes and will be heading out to practice today! - Long Island, New York
Happy practising. We'll be in new York in November. ☺
A lot of what you say is common sense, instinctive perhaps. Always useful regardless to hear and watch some one take you through what is good practice and what is not. I particularly like what you said about being respectful/considerate to car drivers, some times we bikers take the moral high ground when we should be looking a bit more closely at our own behaviour. Thanks Sir.
A very fair comment. Thank you.
My general thoughts when I'm riding (in rough order of priority)
1. Avoid areas which are likely to have 'incursion' by a hazard. E.g. when vehicles are parked on opposite side of road, don't ride close to centreline, as cars may pull out of driveways etc around the parked cars.
2. Avoid anything that looks like oil or gravel, if it's on an isolated area.
3. Position to allow max visibility for any cars at upcoming intersections.
4. Position to avoid the best line of sight into a corner, and also the most 'turning' in the part of road visible (in case, say, gravel cannot be seen at corner exit).
5. Least important is dodging potholes or manhole covers.
Nicely put, thanks
great instruction and video lesson. I took alot of info from that and will use on my next outing. thanks roadcraft
Always a pleasure watching your lessons Russ, always makes me think about my riding.
Great video Russ, and good to see you back and posting lessons/tips. Having passed my test last October (and owning a 125 for some time before that) I have spent a lot of time watching your stuff and feel it has helped me be a better rider.
Awsome video Russ and as I recentlty purchased a Yamaha GTS myself It ads a new dimension of "being there" in that traffic situaton in your video!
I think these points were all touched on by my instructor when I first got my license (in sweden) as the advantages compaired to a car to be able to adapt the possition better on a motorcycle.
To display and use the agility of the bike were a required part of my test but also had to factor in the inherent vulnerabilities/risk. Not sacrificeing safety makes sense and should be practised firstly.
Great lesson Russ. Thanks. You have a significant impact on the lives of others.
North devon roads are wrecked, good position is hard to do, constant observation. Good video
Thanks. Check my latest limit point upload that mentions "SSV" 👍
Just like the "Roadcraft" course for cages.... excellent work :)
Very helpful regarding visibility and arrowhead/limit point. You may well have saved lives with this mate :)
Thanks Russ, doing some advance training tomorrow so this upload was brilliant for me.
Great video Russ, been doing some of this ahead of an assessment ride. Agree with you on the 3 positions, I was riding the 7 position way last night and there was lots of debris in 1 and 7 which was potentially dangerous in the wrong conditions. Also a lot more tiring than just riding from a to b.
yet another amazing vid.
am on a moped at the moment, but am looking to do my test later this year/early next year.
am going to think hard about my positioning over this week,see how i get on
Nice Video Russ! Saw you this morning at about 8.40. Was going to fist bump but traffic was moving :-) See you again soon! Ride safe!
This is a good, common sense demonstration of how to position yourself (plus machine!) in the road and ,at last, someone who says the same thing that I have been trying to explain to our American cousins as well as our own motorcyclists and motorists about not crossing the solid white/yellow (US) centre line when rounding bends. (I'm pretty sure the reg's state the same thing in the US as here but there seem to be many differing interpretations!) and also mirrors my own practice when going round left handers.
Why Do we need a "7 position system" of road placement when the 3 position is more than adequate and follows the "KISS" principle (Keep it simple stupid!" for those who haven't come across it before).
Less complication means it's easier to pick up and make a habit and maybe save lives instead of spending time wondering if I'm in position 5 when I should be in 7 with that oncoming truck bearing down on you!
Keep it up...
Pleased to see you mention one of the safety measures I've espoused: when you see a car stopped at the side and you trying to guess whether it will pull out, look at the wheel design. It will be easy to see if the car starts to move because you can see the wheel design start to spin more easily than you can tell if the car is moving forward.
Excellent commentary, great film a very knowledgeable trainer.
you are soooo great! thank you so much for such a useful lesson. unfortunately you're speaking a bit faster than what I'm really able to fully understand, but at the end quite good for me.
I appreciate all the suggestions there and I'm planning to see all your video clips for a better understanding of how to drive a bike more and more safely.
Cheers!
One danger with "Position 1' is that drivers behind you can misinterpret the position as an invitation to overtake you, even where it is illegal to do so. This has happened to me, to my great surprise, when a vehicle squeezed by me while trying not to cross the solid yellow line. We happened to be going to the same destination, where I asked her what she was thinking. She said she was running late for a meeting! Lovely.
Motoprof.. She probably would have overtaken anyway. Pos 1 isn't in the kerb, it's about a metre out. By that argument, cars will overtake you on a right hand bend too then. ☺
hi mate
i really enjoy your vids and wise instructions as a newby rider. Please keep them coming : )
(Australia )
Fantastic sensible advice, great view of that front wheel also, unencumbered (is that a word) by a fork leg.
New rider here, thanks for all the good tips.
Also, over here in backwards America, it’s interesting to see how you guys say/spell “tyre” and “centre.”
Yes, over here "tire" means you want to go to bed lol. ☺
I always enjoy your videos and I especially remember your "counter-intuitive" video where I learned what and why in the time it took to watch your vid. But on riding in the middle or the sump line must be very different in the UK when compared to the US. On secondary roads I have no problem with position 2, but I do a lot of long distance riding on major 6 lane expressways and the sump line is very dangerous. I have felt my tires actually start slipping out from under me while riding the middle of the lane. In some states the roads are 2 colors, white in 1&3 and black in position 2. There is nothing quite as scary as feeling your bike start to slip while motoring at 80 mph. But this could be just an American problem, I don't know. But as always your vid was informative and entertaining.
Agreed, each situation should be judged on it's own merits. My main point was to let people who say things like "always stay out of the sump line, it's dangerous" know that there's no hard and fast rules in situations like this and not to blindly quote more experienced riders who say these things as they're not necessarily right. Thanks for your comment :-)
Thanks Russ! Well done as always! You have totell mere some of your road marking. Like crosswalks? I think so figured it? But would like to know for sure!
Great Video. Thanks for Sharing
A lot of motorcyclists believe that by straddling the white lines it relates to four wheeled vehicle where the offside wheels are on or over those white lines but as you say it relates to motorcyclists and to any part of their bike being over the first of those lines. One must also understand that if there is sufficient safe space in which to overtake without breaking the law the ie going or straddling the lines then if it is safe to do so and one is not breaking the speeding laws then one can commit to an overtake if it is safe and lawful to do so.
Great video Russ. Very helpful. Surprised someone disliked it though...
Thanks. I'm not surprised, it's most likely to be a kid who saw "0" dislikes and clicked it for a laugh.
Fantastic information, thank you for sharing!
Excellent instructions. Thank you sir.
Why you haven't brought out your own dvd yet i haven't a clue, great vid awesome bike!
i tend to ride in the sump more than any other position
old but very revelant video Russ :)
Hello
my name is Kyle, and i'm from Indonesia.
i found your video are very full of good information, and i do enjoy them very much. thank you very much for all the time spent for making the videos for all of us :)
and, if I may, i want to make a request.
you see, Indonesia is a very crowded country, and most of us uses motorcycle everyday to commute. but, sadly, the rate of "good motorcyclist" here is pretty low, and there are no such thing as motorcycle lesson course (if there are, i doubt they will be any of worth). do you have a suggestion on how to ride in a crowded traffic?
thank you very much, God bless you.
As soon as I get my A2 license ( just need to get my mod 2) and my full A 2 years later, I'm riding all the way up to Nottingham to do advanced training with you. I totally agree with what you're saying and don't want any other instructor to tell me otherwise.
Also, is it recommended that I do my advanced training after my A2? I'm asking this because if I start riding advanced in my full A test 2 years down the line then the examiners will fail me for riding advanced as they think that I don't have the knowledge to do so (you mentioned this in a different video).
Good stuff... I do miss my time with the IAM but not the pedantic rigidity that some in the organisation exhibited. There is no substitute for time on the bike putting into practice what you hopefully learn on IAM or RoSPA advanced courses.
Others who post up "advanced" riding advice sometimes forget that they no longer have the luxury of flashing blue lights and sirens, which, incidentally, do not make Police riders invincible.....
Putting it in the words of "the book" the system of motorcycle control is a system for neogtiating hazards that is safe methodical and leaves nothing to chance..... you ride in accordance with what you can see, what you cannot see and what you might reasonably expect to occur......
If more people put that into practice, we could expect to see a reduction in killed and seriously injured riders!
I had someone once who said he knew the road and that's why he rode at the speed he did.... to which I said, "So you knew there wouldn't be a stationary truck/car/bus around that bend in the double white line section?"....... nuff said.
Oh and that's a great practical classic bike.... not jealous.... much...
Les Bishop... Thanks for your comments. I wish more people had your outlook. Cheers.
Very informative,Thank-you sir!
Excellent informative video! Please could you tell me what helmet camera you were using & did you use a external microphone? The reason I ask is simply I am in the market to purchase & your the video quality in your video looks very good. Rob from Dewsbury
Good stuff. Thanks for the insight.
Thank you, very informative.
If possible I like to ride the sumo line but have to be very careful living in cumbria that this is where uncleared gravel accumulates, plus won't use position 1 or 3 as i should for vision on very tight bends as the risk of being cleared up outways the otherwise good benefits of vision....what do you think?
p.s loving all your vids, great (and life saving) info
pps I was taught the rear brake dragging doing U turns when taking a refresher course last year??
good video love time out theory to practice
spot on...10/10
but manhole covers are fun to avoid. fantastic video.
great video I cant afford advanced rider training . if I could I would get it so this is a great help to me thank you very much . only advice I can add is watch plenty of safe riding videos and put what you learn into practice ride smooth and steady keep back as has been said and remember most motorcycle accidents happen while over taking other vehicles its not a race you don't have to be in first place or maybe you are in a hurry up to the pearly gates or people pulling out on you don't ride too fast on the road use your eyes and your horn . from a safety point of view a powerful horn like a stebil nautious is the best mod you can do to a bike . when in an urban area I keep the speed down I learnt to do this the hard way . thumb covers the horn and 2 fingers and foot cover the brake leavers on my bike with linked abs brakes . be extra careful passing fast food places everybody knows that lard makes people stupid and when fat people are in a feeding frenzy they are not concentrating on their driving and will most lightly pull out into your path with no indicators and the only thing they will be thinking about is their grub .
Great lessons.
Thanks Russ!
Would being in position 1 when moving towards the lorry not invite motorists to overtake it, putting you in danger. Wouldn't taking a more central position between 1&2 be safer?
Thanks again rcn skill touch up.
Another great vid
Bit distracted by the Porsche @ 15:04 :o
Nice video, kinda wished you just stayed with the 1-7 formula as you reference it more then you think and it gets a little confusing when you flip between the two.
I tell my trainees to use what they want as long as it works and is safe.
Great video. You mentioned looking over your shoulder being old school. I've been away from riding for 7 years. Do you still look over your shoulder (life saver) before moving position?
Check my description. ☺
+RoadcraftNottingham.......Ah you are right. Thanks for verifying that. Keep up the good work!
I do agree with the safe following on distance. To many inappropriate overtakes are entererd into by bikers. Some of whom are unfortunately encouraged by so called advanced training to seek a closer position to the vehicle in front when there is no chance of an overtake but believe that by being this closer distance that there may be at some time and in the not to distant future find an opportunity or should I say chance to overtake and that that overtake will take less time due to the shortened, now unsafe distance that they have been advised to put themselves in. Further that it maybe that the speed necessary to overtake could in fact exceed the speed limit and unlike yourself I do not believe that breaking the law is a good and positive way in which to instruct or instill safety into newbies or any other biker for that matter,. If the speed limit is being reachedby other traffic it should be respected and one should ride as you have portrayed keeping safe distance and not overtaken just because one can.
The further issue that often causes loss of life is the advice again by Roadcraft to make sure that their is a gap somewhere between traffic in front, one that the biker can return into. I would say that gap needs to be a bloody big one as if its small it can easily disapear and then the biker is out on the wrong side of the road and not able to gain his own side. That occurs frequently when the biker commits to the overtake and presumes that there will be at least some small gap that he can force his way into. That is not always the case and lives are lost or injuries are severe at higher collective speeds of up to or in excess of 120 mph. Together with bends this is the second largest problem in the Country and arterial roads that leads to fatalities but if taught right from the begining and inappropriate chance overtakes were discouraged we could reduce these figures. and save lives.
judgedredd49... Nicely put. Cheers.
It's funny I should come across this old video. I joined the local IAM just a few weeks ago when they were recruiting in Durham. Seemed like a good idea.
So far I have not been out with them and for two reasons......One: "We ride on the white line" and two, "we don't exceed speed limits".
It's pure coincidence that I saw some ass try to pass a bike on his left a few days later.
Sorry IAM, but I live in the real world.
Is it always necessary when your travelling at the speed limit coming to every side to slow down at least 40mph incase someone pulls out?
Not at all, things to consider are the width and condition of the road, weather conditions, are you in a line of traffic etc. Reducing speed will always reduce the chance of an accident and increase response times though. The faster you go the larger the risk.
Class....Subbed
I have a question about "safe distance from the vehicle in front" I've had frequent experiences where I have wanted a safe distance from the car in front (for braking and general comfort level) only to have the person behind me see that as a reason to overtake. I don't really want to be any closer than I am behind the car but either I close the gap to dissuade people from using my 'safety gap' to overtake or I am constantly being overtaken by some ass that thinks its an overtaking opportunity. Care to comment Russ?
A lot of your braking distance is concentration (reaction tmes) so you could ride a little closer but offset to the right as an escape.
RoadcraftNottingham Excellent advice. I will work on that technique. Thanks again Russ.
excellent !!
+onur güven Thanks. :-)
мотоцикл очень интересный. читал про него в журнале мото
Really good :)
I don't disagree about the sump line. You can tell if the tracks that cars leave ar well worn on a sunny day they shine like they are glass or wet. That indicates them being well worn but the sump line doesn't shine at all. It's still has a heavier say more aggressive surface that will have good adhearances for bikers, something a car can't use and really doesn't need. That said many manhole covers are in the middle of the road and that's where the sump line is. Many of them are straightforward and level or levelish with the tramac and in a straight line don't need to be avoided but some are dropped, sometimes by a few inches and it's like hitting a kerb. so they should be avoided. Also if not dropped they need not be avoided whilst in a straight line but if wet and on a bend its best to avoid them. They can be easily seen as they again shine against a draber tarmac surface and avoidance should not be a sudden swerve.
Yes, regarding manholes, they can put them anywhere so should be taken as they come, like any hazard but I have found there's more chance of nails being in the sump line as my hire bikes who ride there most of the time get more punctures than instructor's bikes.
@@RoadcraftNottingham So are you now against riding in general on the sump line or what?
@@judgedredd4945 I suppose the best way to describe it is to not worry about the sump line, just try to be aware of any part of the road. It's just that some people treat it like it's packed with explosives.
@@RoadcraftNottingham I do ride many times in the sump line and have done for decades. However I find that because it is less worn its more aggressive, as I say, with better grip than position 1 or 3 but it could wear the tyres out sooner by being so.
I am one of those you will often see "weaving around" manhole covers. It is simply an easy prompt to practice a "quick flick" (along the lines of the "hazard avoidance" exercise during a license test); it is not because of fear of something going wrong if I ride over them.
But did you check your mirrors before the flick Everytimne. If not you're risking your life being unpredictable on the road.
You could learn in your neighborhood.
Manhole covers in a corner are the worst though.
Several times has the back wheel of my bicycle gone out from under me on a cold, wet day
Now i avoid them when possible
Videos like this are what makes youtube a truly useful, interesting and informative tool in peoples lives, whatever their hobby. Thanks for producing such high quality videos for us fellow riders!
Thanks for the lesson Russ. Great upload and useful for every rider...irrespective of skill level.
Cheers matey, every little helps. :-)
What Crumble said : ) ditto
What Crumble said: Idem dito
being riding 8 months as a learner now and still come back to watch these vids, thx RCN
I like your "do what works" approach to positioning. Some folks get caught up in what they were told or had read, without putting it to the test of reason and experience. This is by far, the best video I have seen on the subject.
One further suggestion though: alter lane position as necessary when pulling up behind other vehicles at a traffic light. We all check our mirrors as we are stopping to ensure other vehicles behind us are stopping also, but sometimes there is no one coming up behind us, but there soon could be.
This is an everyday situation, where it is wise to take the lane position that offers you the best "out" in case a car comes from behind, not paying attention, and is going to slam into whatever is in front of him or her. The point is: it shouldn't be you or I that he or she rear ends;-). So, always position yourself at stops so you can scoot between cars or into some other safe zone if need be.
Thanks for your comment. I think people put too much onus on the "escape position" First of all, myself or anyone I know have never had this happen although I've heard on one occasion this did happen to someone. Even if it did, you'd have to be sat, staring in your mirrors for that millions to one chance of it happening and then you would have to hope there's room at the side of the car in front, too much what if for me, an over thought situation I.M.O. I hear too many of these"what ifs" that in my opinion are a little TOO paranoid and not "what may reasonably be expected to happen"...also, at what point do you realise this car isn't stopping? by the time he skids, it's too late to do anything anyway.
If that's what you want to do, that's fine but I personally feel it's unreasonable to expect others to do it as standard practise. Keep a safe distance in case a car rolls back, of course but that's it for me.
RoadcraftNottingham Ha, well I hear ya, but it isn't an onerous task. It just becomes habit to choose a good side of the car in front. There are only two sides to choose from. Not difficult. Pick the best, then if the unexpected happens you are not trapped. Simple really.
***** with all respect this is one of the most "over thought" scenarios. You'll spend all your time staring in mirrors and by the time you realise enough to make an escape decision when someone isn't going to stop, it's either too late or you accelerate into another danger, added to this, the extreme position is also likely to encourage some idiot to pull next to you. It's "reasonable" to expect cars to pull out of side roads (loads of videos of this situation being avoided) etc but this is one scenario which is a millions to one chance (can't find any videos of this situation being avoided) even IF you could avoid it. I'll never agree on this unreasonable scenario and shouldn't be "chastised" because I don't practise it. This is exactly why I'm anti advanced groups, more like an emporers new clothes syndrome, just because someone in a powerful position mentions it, others latch onto it. There's a point you get to where you have to draw a line on scenarios that are too rare to be concerned about like what if you have a blowout?... Better walk instead.. and this is one of them. As I mentioned earlier, if you want to do it, fine but please don't look down on others for not doing it.
I've put this up on my Facebook channel as a debate. Will be interesting to hear what others think :-)
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Thanks Russ. It's nice getting opinions and feedback from people. In this situation, there's no harm in being vigilant for sure. Check my Facebook page for a more in depth conversation on this subject. :-)
Really good video, I belong to a ROSPA advanced group in Essex. We split the road in to 7 positions. I like your cool calm approach to riding. Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to make these videos.
Exceptional video on defensive riding, I drive my car the exact same way you ride. Nice videos.
... on two wheels?! 😳