@@acereporter73 She's such a perfect casting too. Bobbie Draper in the books is a muscular, tall, and attractive Polynesian woman trained in combat. So they went and found Frankie Adams, who's all of those things.
The Venus clouds are made of sulfuric acid and the surface temperature is 462 °C (863 °F). The surface pressure is 92 times that of earth. That is what the proto-molecule is growing in. The show is great. Don't worry about the books (they are great too). The book writers are producers on the show, the executive producers are incredible, the translation is about as perfect as it can be done with the budget they had. The books are definitely worth reading after you watch the show (currently 8 books and several short stories).
Not my favourite reaction to anything i must admit. It was not relevant since he is Martian and nothing to do with current real life situation. Plus it dismissed a very valid but to be fair condescending view point. Ever heard the term "hard times create stong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard times. It is a cycle and not really anyones fault but just due to the nature of humanity really. An unfortunate and possibily unavoidable phenomenom which he was pointing out to Bobbie. Often times those that have observed something and try to tell others of said thing, if it conflicts with someones world views or beliefs it can quite quickly be met with hostility and contempt. If the person trying tell others is constantly told they are wrong after repeatedly being proven right it can be rather frustrating and can lead to resentment. I believe that is the position he was coming from. That being said, he was an arsehole who sacrificed his own people and apparently didnt care so even though i get what he means. I still dont care for him much.
Holden still suffers from PTSD from Eros and is going on a crusade against his white whale, the protomolecule in all its forms. The people around him see things more clearly for the most part.
CitizenHans and that is why he needs them, I know in the coming episodes he gets real grouchy with the proto molecule now out and about and Naomi’s betrayal but it’s other people like Naomi, Alex, Amos, and Bobbie and Chrisjen Avasarala to get him back to acting and feeling like a hero doing good. If you’ve seen season 3 you know what I’m talking about.
The sense of impending doom as Alex is standing in that airlock is off the charts. ______ Holden's mother says in 1x7: *We set him up to be a leader and then gave him a fight he could never win* & *Jimmy liked to think of himself as a knight. He thought it was a funny story. I never broke it to him that it was a tragedy* Naomi has seen the other side of that (1x5): *I've known people like him. People with causes. Causes that get people killed* Even though Naomi loves Jim for his good intentions, she can see the futility (and danger) in his approach. ______ As exciting as the story already is, I still think of everything up to this point as build up. I've been waiting for your reaction to the next episode for a while and I know it won't disappoint, you guys are the best!
They do cover book 3 in 7 episodes, but actually, it felt about right. I don't think they rushed it, and it made an excellent stopping point if the series was going to end there. So, no complaints about how it was handled from me or anyone I've discussed it with. Fortunately, book 3 was probably the only book that could have been reasonably covered in fewer episodes.
11:50. Holden tells the others to wait here. One by one in rapid succession, everyone negates him...including the reactors. 23:30. Considering that Martens' plans for Bobbie even prior to her assault on him probably included her having an "airlock malfunction" at some point prior to her arrival on Mars, her defection to Earth definitely represented her best available option. (Now it's just a matter of proving that at her eventual court martial.) 28:20. Perhaps it wants To Serve Man...with fava beans and a nice Chianti.
the first time I saw him .. I thought that Holden was a little off the axis (a former military man who doesn't want to see people suffer) and then they told me .. in the Screaming Firehawks community .. Holden suffers from PTSD. and the word triggered begins with Proto. And he wants to burn it all 😅
1. Remember - the Protogen scientists are essentially sociopaths artificially made by the procedure on their brain and maybe some are "naturally occurring" ones (I personally think Strickland was not operated on, it's his original personality) - so his assistant was not CAPABLE of being remorseful. In fact, she like Cortazar took pride in their work no matter the cost. 2. They don't go into this in the show in detail, so I think it's safe to write about here. Not all protomolecule hybrids are children. There are the first generation hybrids, which were made out of "ordinary" Belters. And there is the second generation hybrids programme, which Strickland is now running with the kids. 3. Venus has a running away greenhouse effect, there is a ton of CO2 in its atmosphere - so it's very hot with immense atmospheric pressure. There are also sulfuric clouds, whiсh contain acidic aerosol, though it's less relevant for the condition at the surface per se. So this makes it incredibly difficult to land any probes on Venus.
It's not intense yet. It's just build up ;) And yes, book three was condensed into just seven episodes (the second half of season three), but no one was really mad about it, especially not after they had seen what the writers have done with it. If anything some people were concerned that the adapation of book three might be rushed (spoiler: the pace is mindblowing, but it's not rushed and the plot holds up beautifully). Season three is near flawless though and another huge improvement on the already great and improved season two. Like I said, everything you watch now is just build up; actors and assets moving into place for the big show that is the second half of book two. And just when you think that the show cannot get any better, you will enter book three.
Fandom wasn't mad because Book 3 had fewer episodes, it (book) has a very slow buildup (imo) and the show just jumps right into the action. The showrunners did a great job adapting Book 3 considering the situation they were in (the probability of cancellation was high and they wanted to give the show a coherent ending). Mostly people complained because they didn't get to see a great character from that book in the show, his role was merged with another one. There is a good phrase about corruption - "When fighting a dragon beware that you do not become one"
>Real astronomers have pointed out that alex's journey around Jupiter should have taken weeks or months, but it's so good that they all give the show creative license. >Alex noted that a Martian black ops ship had been scheduled to land right there at the Protomolecule facility. Don't forget that ship. >Watch in the for the bullet hole in shoulder of the coverall that Amos will continue to wear in future episodes. >Errinwright was shaken by his discovery that Mao had made good his threat to find "another patron." But he gave Avasalara a really hard look when he realized she would not help him. It's not "scapegoating" when the person really is guilty. >Holden still doesn't understand Naomi's dedication to her Belter people. Just because he won't choose sides doesn't mean that she hasn't. Earth committed the Eros Holocaust and Mars wrecked Ganymede, which will cause mass starvation across the Belt. After all is said and done, the Belters are still the underdogs, and Naomi is on their side. >The next episode contains one of the finest dramatic scenes I've seen in 60 years of watching television. I'm an old man, and I've re-watched the next episode just to shed a few man-tears. Kat, be sure to have a fresh box of tissues handy.
The only option is to terraform it. For starters, we'd need to bomb the f*ck out of Venus because it has no tectonic activity. It also has an extremely weak magnetosphere. And then there's the fact that solar flares regularly blast away tons of its atmosphere. I think cloud cities are more plausible than a terraformed Venus.
Great reaction to an awesome episode. Ratcheting up of the tension. Building towards the resolution of the season. It is great to see the two of you SO engrossed by what is going on on the screen. Great to see Chrisjen & Bobbie together, finally.
"I have no idea where this is going" - truer words were never spoken ahahaha. You are in for a ride guys, up to now the show has barely been scratching the surface.
Such a great episode. The escape of Bobby the events on Ganymede. The tension builds up so well, and becomes more intense from episode to episode. Not to forget the events on Venus with the expanding Protomolecule. In the last episode of this season there's a nice Easter Egg with this research team over Venus, I'm curious if you'll notice it. Again a nice episode with you, best greetings from Germany-Bavaria
Best.. fucking... "OK Boomer" use I have heard since that appeared. Also, don't know if you have watched this yourself. Kat, your facial expressions when OK boomer man was getting beat on. You enjoyed that way too much xD
Oh man I can't wait for the next couple of reactions, the show is now a runaway train and the brakes have failed. There's only really one more episode that can be said to be lackadaisical, and I'm not gonna say which one. I already watched the king review over on Patreon, but I'm also watching it here because I want y'all to get ALLL of the subscribers
So Kat at the beginning of the review you trying to channel you're inner Dwayne Johnson aka "The Rock" with that single eyebrow lift. Another great review, so many interesting things for us viewers to listen to you guys discuss, very entertaining.
You guys have the best discussions! And its more fun now that Sonny is also not knowing what to expect next. Take your time BTW as you will want to savor Season 3 and because season 4 is dropping all at once, it will be good if some of my reactors are a bit behind!! This will be a great couple of months coming up! Its been interesting to see how you appreciate Bobbie's growth as a character (because book readers already know her arc, we love her more from the start!) even that gives me more insight into how this series is seen by non book readers. Its all good! I also think you are referring to the fact that the producers were not sure they would continue after season 3 and squished all of book 3 into 7 episodes. Recall as you move forward, that the show was cancelled at the time S3E6 aired and then was rescued (by the fans!!) when E8 dropped. An awful two weeks for us fans of the show and you will see why such a move seemed absolutely insane on SyFy's part.
One of those things can wipe out an entire Earth AND Martian unit on its own as well as just wiped an entire room of armed scientists but sure let's "go on a hunt", what can possibly go wrong? Lol
So Captain Martens is not inherently wrong with his speech. The Martian youth do generally care much less about Terra forming then the older population. But he's twisting that fact so that anything justifies Mar's victory. It's very similar to Errinwright.
and while yeah Bobby clearly cares about Terra forming. She was also Martian Special Forces, so her level of patriotism/nationalism is going to be much higher then average. (You can even say her arc is going from Nationalism to Patriotism)
To be fair Bobbie's arc here was a bit too dramatized for my taste - the book version with her starting normal above the board job for Avasarala and Avasarala managing to keep things that way even after the shooting started was kinda more fun. Less action, more intrigue (and more opportunities for Avasarala to swear :D)
That's just silly; Kat looks great in all eye makeup! I would contend that Sonny would too (I keep trying to get this to happen, for the fans, you know;)
I think what kosmokenny was trying to say, the next 2 episodes will be super intense. There is a high change Kat is going to cry and henceforth, her eye makeup will be ruined. It has nothing about telling Kat what and what not to put on her face or she does not look great in makeup and whats not.
Excellent way to dismiss an old fart who sacrifices his own people, yes. Are you siding with him in this? Or are you just mad because she used the term boomer? Clearly in a joke-y way as well, because he technically isn’t even from the boomer generation, not even close. / Sonny
When Bobbie threw Martens into the monitor, it actually broke-- the actress didn't mean to toss him quite that hard.
Frankie.."Bobbie," is a boxer, so I'm sure she threw him, then apologized.
@@patriziosailor MMA.
@@barreloffun10 Found lots of citations on the boxing, but none on the MMA. Would love to see that, though.
Frankie Adams is adorable and powerful. Love her so much.
@@acereporter73 She's such a perfect casting too. Bobbie Draper in the books is a muscular, tall, and attractive Polynesian woman trained in combat. So they went and found Frankie Adams, who's all of those things.
The Venus clouds are made of sulfuric acid and the surface temperature is 462 °C (863 °F). The surface pressure is 92 times that of earth. That is what the proto-molecule is growing in.
The show is great. Don't worry about the books (they are great too). The book writers are producers on the show, the executive producers are incredible, the translation is about as perfect as it can be done with the budget they had. The books are definitely worth reading after you watch the show (currently 8 books and several short stories).
Season 3, episode 7: Do Not Watch the opening credits!
Lol, “OK Boomer” 😆
I pressed the like button immediately at that point. 😂
Not my favourite reaction to anything i must admit. It was not relevant since he is Martian and nothing to do with current real life situation. Plus it dismissed a very valid but to be fair condescending view point. Ever heard the term "hard times create stong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard times. It is a cycle and not really anyones fault but just due to the nature of humanity really. An unfortunate and possibily unavoidable phenomenom which he was pointing out to Bobbie. Often times those that have observed something and try to tell others of said thing, if it conflicts with someones world views or beliefs it can quite quickly be met with hostility and contempt. If the person trying tell others is constantly told they are wrong after repeatedly being proven right it can be rather frustrating and can lead to resentment. I believe that is the position he was coming from. That being said, he was an arsehole who sacrificed his own people and apparently didnt care so even though i get what he means. I still dont care for him much.
You are taking something so clearly meant as joke (No boomers in the Mars-generation) a little too seriously.
@@KatSonny No. This is UA-cam. Everything must be serious. Deadly serious. *puts on very serious face*
Serious.
@@ARealityStorm seriously?
Holden still suffers from PTSD from Eros and is going on a crusade against his white whale, the protomolecule in all its forms. The people around him see things more clearly for the most part.
CitizenHans and that is why he needs them, I know in the coming episodes he gets real grouchy with the proto molecule now out and about and Naomi’s betrayal but it’s other people like Naomi, Alex, Amos, and Bobbie and Chrisjen Avasarala to get him back to acting and feeling like a hero doing good. If you’ve seen season 3 you know what I’m talking about.
The sense of impending doom as Alex is standing in that airlock is off the charts.
______
Holden's mother says in 1x7:
*We set him up to be a leader and then gave him a fight he could never win*
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*Jimmy liked to think of himself as a knight. He thought it was a funny story. I never broke it to him that it was a tragedy*
Naomi has seen the other side of that (1x5):
*I've known people like him. People with causes. Causes that get people killed*
Even though Naomi loves Jim for his good intentions, she can see the futility (and danger) in his approach.
______
As exciting as the story already is, I still think of everything up to this point as build up.
I've been waiting for your reaction to the next episode for a while and I know it won't disappoint, you guys are the best!
They do cover book 3 in 7 episodes, but actually, it felt about right. I don't think they rushed it, and it made an excellent stopping point if the series was going to end there. So, no complaints about how it was handled from me or anyone I've discussed it with. Fortunately, book 3 was probably the only book that could have been reasonably covered in fewer episodes.
Agreed, it made the season amazing, the pacing is crazy.
That isn't by accident - the books are written that way. There is a clear stopping point at the end of books 3,6 and 9.
@@petersmith6513 Well, let's hope someone else takes over Distribution again so that we get Books 7-9 on TV.
11:50. Holden tells the others to wait here. One by one in rapid succession, everyone negates him...including the reactors.
23:30. Considering that Martens' plans for Bobbie even prior to her assault on him probably included her having an "airlock malfunction" at some point prior to her arrival on Mars, her defection to Earth definitely represented her best available option. (Now it's just a matter of proving that at her eventual court martial.)
28:20. Perhaps it wants To Serve Man...with fava beans and a nice Chianti.
You can compare the protomolecule with THE RING lololol
the first time I saw him .. I thought that Holden was a little off the axis (a former military man who doesn't want to see people suffer) and then they told me .. in the Screaming Firehawks community .. Holden suffers from PTSD. and the word triggered begins with Proto. And he wants to burn it all 😅
13:50
"That thing's still out there"
...
*GASP*
1. Remember - the Protogen scientists are essentially sociopaths artificially made by the procedure on their brain and maybe some are "naturally occurring" ones (I personally think Strickland was not operated on, it's his original personality) - so his assistant was not CAPABLE of being remorseful. In fact, she like Cortazar took pride in their work no matter the cost.
2. They don't go into this in the show in detail, so I think it's safe to write about here. Not all protomolecule hybrids are children. There are the first generation hybrids, which were made out of "ordinary" Belters. And there is the second generation hybrids programme, which Strickland is now running with the kids.
3. Venus has a running away greenhouse effect, there is a ton of CO2 in its atmosphere - so it's very hot with immense atmospheric pressure. There are also sulfuric clouds, whiсh contain acidic aerosol, though it's less relevant for the condition at the surface per se. So this makes it incredibly difficult to land any probes on Venus.
It's not intense yet. It's just build up ;)
And yes, book three was condensed into just seven episodes (the second half of season three), but no one was really mad about it, especially not after they had seen what the writers have done with it. If anything some people were concerned that the adapation of book three might be rushed (spoiler: the pace is mindblowing, but it's not rushed and the plot holds up beautifully). Season three is near flawless though and another huge improvement on the already great and improved season two. Like I said, everything you watch now is just build up; actors and assets moving into place for the big show that is the second half of book two. And just when you think that the show cannot get any better, you will enter book three.
Fandom wasn't mad because Book 3 had fewer episodes, it (book) has a very slow buildup (imo) and the show just jumps right into the action. The showrunners did a great job adapting Book 3 considering the situation they were in (the probability of cancellation was high and they wanted to give the show a coherent ending). Mostly people complained because they didn't get to see a great character from that book in the show, his role was merged with another one.
There is a good phrase about corruption - "When fighting a dragon beware that you do not become one"
>Real astronomers have pointed out that alex's journey around Jupiter should have taken weeks or months, but it's so good that they all give the show creative license.
>Alex noted that a Martian black ops ship had been scheduled to land right there at the Protomolecule facility. Don't forget that ship.
>Watch in the for the bullet hole in shoulder of the coverall that Amos will continue to wear in future episodes.
>Errinwright was shaken by his discovery that Mao had made good his threat to find "another patron." But he gave Avasalara a really hard look when he realized she would not help him. It's not "scapegoating" when the person really is guilty.
>Holden still doesn't understand Naomi's dedication to her Belter people. Just because he won't choose sides doesn't mean that she hasn't. Earth committed the Eros Holocaust and Mars wrecked Ganymede, which will cause mass starvation across the Belt. After all is said and done, the Belters are still the underdogs, and Naomi is on their side.
>The next episode contains one of the finest dramatic scenes I've seen in 60 years of watching television. I'm an old man, and I've re-watched the next episode just to shed a few man-tears. Kat, be sure to have a fresh box of tissues handy.
Actually the showrunner apologised for that Alex scene being not scientifically accurate
Nice comments, but man, this is too much of a spoiler, let the scenes impact without warning.
@@TheBerkut88 Yes, he did. But astronomers still liked the scene.
Venus' surface is honestly such a scary/inhospitable place that I doubt humans will ever walk on it... unless they find rare metals...
The only option is to terraform it. For starters, we'd need to bomb the f*ck out of Venus because it has no tectonic activity. It also has an extremely weak magnetosphere. And then there's the fact that solar flares regularly blast away tons of its atmosphere. I think cloud cities are more plausible than a terraformed Venus.
Next episode has one of my favorite parts of the whole series.
Great reaction to an awesome episode. Ratcheting up of the tension. Building towards the resolution of the season. It is great to see the two of you SO engrossed by what is going on on the screen.
Great to see Chrisjen & Bobbie together, finally.
Best "here there be dragons" kinda quote is in Fargo series, 1st season, Lorne Malvo. When the police officer stops him.
Another great show.
Caliban is a character from Shakespere's The Tempest. Caliban is the son of a witch called Sycorax.
im glad u guys liked it... season 3 is better in my opinion. cant wait to hear ur thoughts
"I have no idea where this is going" - truer words were never spoken ahahaha. You are in for a ride guys, up to now the show has barely been scratching the surface.
Such a great episode.
The escape of Bobby the events on Ganymede. The tension builds up so well, and becomes more intense from episode to episode.
Not to forget the events on Venus with the expanding Protomolecule.
In the last episode of this season there's a nice Easter Egg with this research team over Venus, I'm curious if you'll notice it.
Again a nice episode with you, best greetings from Germany-Bavaria
There is a popular saying that encapsulates some of your discussion. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
Guys your reactions lol 😂
I can’t wait for next episodes
Best.. fucking... "OK Boomer" use I have heard since that appeared. Also, don't know if you have watched this yourself. Kat, your facial expressions when OK boomer man was getting beat on. You enjoyed that way too much xD
Yeah because she has that "all boomers bad" mentality. Those evil boomers built this country, so a bit of gratitude wouldn't hurt.
You guys are smart, I didn’t know what Alex was doing until he said it lol. Must be my American education lol.
"Nobody lives there." "So you think!" Yeah, if this were Star Wars those tunnels would be what all the characters think is an abandoned Imperial base.
11:30 The unholy granade. Opens a portal to hell. :D
the "Ok boomer" was fantastic
Glad I checked youtube :D
Oh man I can't wait for the next couple of reactions, the show is now a runaway train and the brakes have failed. There's only really one more episode that can be said to be lackadaisical, and I'm not gonna say which one. I already watched the king review over on Patreon, but I'm also watching it here because I want y'all to get ALLL of the subscribers
So Kat at the beginning of the review you trying to channel you're inner Dwayne Johnson aka "The Rock" with that single eyebrow lift. Another great review, so many interesting things for us viewers to listen to you guys discuss, very entertaining.
The Belter's Eyebrow
Tip for Episode 12: Bring Tissues.
You guys have the best discussions! And its more fun now that Sonny is also not knowing what to expect next. Take your time BTW as you will want to savor Season 3 and because season 4 is dropping all at once, it will be good if some of my reactors are a bit behind!! This will be a great couple of months coming up! Its been interesting to see how you appreciate Bobbie's growth as a character (because book readers already know her arc, we love her more from the start!) even that gives me more insight into how this series is seen by non book readers. Its all good! I also think you are referring to the fact that the producers were not sure they would continue after season 3 and squished all of book 3 into 7 episodes. Recall as you move forward, that the show was cancelled at the time S3E6 aired and then was rescued (by the fans!!) when E8 dropped. An awful two weeks for us fans of the show and you will see why such a move seemed absolutely insane on SyFy's part.
Good discussion.
The beginnings of Team ABC (Avasarala, Bobbie, Cotyar)
You guys should watch Fringe.
"i am not your A N I M I"
Also Mao is literally the Illusive man.
One of those things can wipe out an entire Earth AND Martian unit on its own as well as just wiped an entire room of armed scientists but sure let's "go on a hunt", what can possibly go wrong? Lol
Ok boomer
Hahahahaha 😁
Strap in and watch further!)) It will be rough!
what you see is not always what you get, of maybe they got more then they wanted.
“OK Boomer” hahahahaha
Ok zoomer.
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So Captain Martens is not inherently wrong with his speech. The Martian youth do generally care much less about Terra forming then the older population. But he's twisting that fact so that anything justifies Mar's victory. It's very similar to Errinwright.
and while yeah Bobby clearly cares about Terra forming. She was also Martian Special Forces, so her level of patriotism/nationalism is going to be much higher then average. (You can even say her arc is going from Nationalism to Patriotism)
To be fair Bobbie's arc here was a bit too dramatized for my taste - the book version with her starting normal above the board job for Avasarala and Avasarala managing to keep things that way even after the shooting started was kinda more fun. Less action, more intrigue (and more opportunities for Avasarala to swear :D)
Can the protomolecule be compared to The Ring?
percy blakeney
Yes. That is definitely an interesting comparison
Holden is kind of loosing it he doesn't seem to understand it's out now there's nothing he can do.
Hic sunt be dracones!
I see Kat skipped the eye makeup today. Thats a good idea. Keep doing that.
That's just silly; Kat looks great in all eye makeup! I would contend that Sonny would too (I keep trying to get this to happen, for the fans, you know;)
Yeah, I'm sure she's going to listen to you LOL
Why do you even care?!
She can do whatever tf she likes.
@@belinda35_77 Because 12 comes after 11
I think what kosmokenny was trying to say, the next 2 episodes will be super intense. There is a high change Kat is going to cry and henceforth, her eye makeup will be ruined. It has nothing about telling Kat what and what not to put on her face or she does not look great in makeup and whats not.
@@kualarompin589 Wow, some triggered eye makeup, vs personal choices, in here. Lol. I love it!
Dark ?
Ugh did she call him boomer. Excellent way to dismiss someones opinion based on their age,
Excellent way to dismiss an old fart who sacrifices his own people, yes.
Are you siding with him in this? Or are you just mad because she used the term boomer? Clearly in a joke-y way as well, because he technically isn’t even from the boomer generation, not even close.
/ Sonny
Funny enough boomer to me means someone who can't take a joke or get a joke , and be able to laugh about themselves. Woe me always offended