@Cbricklyne The Earth has 100% been known to be round for 2.5 millennia, and absolutely cartographers from a few centuries ago knew it was. The idea of the Earth being flat only existed thousands of years ago, and for the last few decades. Even ‘primitive’ tribespeople can tell that the Earth is round
One of the things I liked about the "Bobbie v Martens" scene is the _ease_ with which she utterly demolishes him when provoked. Although Frankie Adams is an inch shorter than the Martens actor, in the books Bobbie is apparently meant to be practically a giantess, taller and _much_ stronger than most men. By tossing Martens about like a rag doll, apparently effortlessly, Adams really sells Bobbie's physical superiority.
Yes, most Martians are taller (and thinner) than Earthers due to the lower gravity of Mars according to the books. But Bobbie is a giantess even for martian standards, she is a 2.15 meters mountain of muscles (that's 7 feet for you imperials). She is so tall and bulky that she has to use an older Marine Suit that was custom-made for her because she can't fit into the newer standard Marine Suits other MMC use. Show makers couldn't really find a Polynesian woman 2m tall that could act, so they cast Frankie, which, imo, is doing a great job in portraying Bobbie "physicality" even if she's not as tall as she is supposed to be. Bobbie is absolutely my favorite chars in the books.
The first rule of The Expanse is you do not F*#& with Bobbie Draper. The second rule of The Expanse is you do not F*$# with Bobbie Draper. Seriously though... she is doing such a great job conveying both her ability to navigate a situation talking and fighting. She is quick thinking, quick witted, strong and confident in her abilities and training. And coupled with her physical size, as a marine she trains in full 1G a lot of the time so she is stronger than most Martians there as well.
I'm glad they went with a more reasonably proportioned person. I think it sells her power that she's not just... really big, she has the stuff and just kicks all kinds of a*.
Folks, watch the spoilers. I get as excited as anyone in anticipation of what good reactors like Carly are going to experience (and I might make that mistake myself), but please let's be careful.
Errinwright freaked out and confessed to Avasarala because Mao was trying to sell to Mars, and he can't have Mars have the protomolecule. Also since he was supposed to be Mao's partner, this could be seen as a betrayal to Errinwright.
Back at the beginning of s.1, when everybody was asking themselves "Who?", nobody, including me, guessed the most obvious answer to that question. Cui bono? Who always benefits from a war, no matter which side wins?
I absolutely love your questions. You’re smart kiddo! I love watching you on this journey. I bet you’ll finish season 4 right before season 5 drops in late 2020
I love your videos. You always have intelligent commentary and are very intuitive about the direction of the shows you're commenting on. I wish you would watch Dark next. That would give you a mind exercise like nothing else.
Interesting side note, if you've read the novelization of Star Trek, Wrath of Khan, when Kirk, McCoy, & Saavik accompany Dr. Marcus and son into the Genesis Cave, someone, just to be funny, has hung a sign next to the entrance that reads "Here there be dragons."
Christjen and Bobbie are our sane eyes and ears of Earth and Mars. Through the series just like them we have to figure out who to trust on earth, mars and the belt and i love they let us figure it out with them. We experience their confusion and strugle to get to the truth and fight for whats right for Earth, Mars, and the belt.
Frankie Adams who plays Bobby Draper is an amateur boxer. apparently, in the scene where Bobby hit Captain Martens into the monitor on the wall, she ACTUALLY hit him.
Yes, she was supposed to "mildly" push him into the monitor on the wall, but she threw him with so much force they broke it. It was not supposed to break :D In the end, they kept the scene :)
So I'm not going to give anything away but the story around Naomi's child isn't explored until book 5 in the book series. That's how amazing the show is for setting up future storylines and weaving those elements in earlier.
Naomi is a surrogate mom/Jiminy Cricket conscience to Amos. We sorta knew that but now we know what Naomi was getting out of it. It is guilt or amplified maternal feelings from her child lost. I also think that is why Amos is so nice to Pax. In Amos' world before, there is only The Churn. It is rare for Amos to see "decent" folk.
That table smack! Those scene shifts right when something is going down, grrrr... The thing to remember about Naomi is they let her character settle in, and when you least expect it, you get an atomic bomb dropped just like you said. Chrisjen and Bobbie, that's one of the really good parts from the books that hasn't carried over to the show that well. The relationship they have in the books, I could watch a show filled with nothing but them. It's like The Odd Couple, but with a couple of badass women. I love those two ladies so much, they are just freaking amazing.
Something that might not be clear, but it's been a significant amount of time, months, since Eros, and enough time for Strickland to have made great strides in Protomolecule research since then. It's pretty sure that when Naomi said to Amos, "I didn't even get to say goodbye" she was talking about her son, but that statement also implies to me that the separation was so sudden and unexpected that she was unable to say goodbye before they were separated (like Prax didn't get to say good bye to Mei). We have seen Naomi solid in her sympathy for her people and suffering of survivor's guilt since Eros, as did Miller.
"Here there be dragons" was also featured in Fargo S1E01. Here's the link ua-cam.com/video/y-Dp0QogUI4/v-deo.html. Performed by the great Billy Bob Thornton. I really liked the Black Sails one as well
A. I hope you rewatch the series on your TV because it's gorgeous. Especially season 4. B. Fun fact: The guard whose head Bobbie smashes against the wall is also a stand-in performer (Frank) on the show and he's fricking hilarious on set.
As has been pointed out, the quote and term "Here they be dragons..." comes from a Nautical and Ship-sailing cartography (map-making) tradition and history (which is probably why you heard a variation if it from the show Black Sails), when they used to make maps and right at the edges where no one had "discovered" or knew what was beyond, they'd put that quote to discourage people from venturing farther, because it was also borne of the belief that the World was flat and that if you kept sailing you'd sail right off the edge and fall into the unknown all the way down to a hell-like scary place. so if you look at a really old map, at both edges of it, it's marked "Here there be dragons..." with a little motif of a dragon in the water. In the context of the show obviously that scientist was using it to observe that as humans have never been able to get to the surface of Venus or have one of their probes survive fo very long before getting crushed by the tremendous pressure, the fact that the protomolecule seemed to be still in one piece and functioning meant that it was undiscovered territory as far as humans were concerned and that there were (indeed) "dragons" down there.
Nothing like an exciting sprint for asylum. Remember that scene from The Saint? I went down a rabbit hole about the nature of embassies and how they legally are home territory, until the embassy packs up and leaves or the host country kicks them out. Until then, you treat that boundary as serious shit.
Of course Bobby would get a honorable discharge. If she gets just kicked out, they would be admitting that they are really angry with her after she made her statement to the Earthers. The Martians have to pretend that she did everything right and nothing happened at the meeting.
Erinwright is a patriot in his own opinion and his maxim for everything he ever did and does in this matters is "Earth must come first", keep that in mind because it really is the baseline for everything he does, even if we despise him for it occasionally. Also something for the next episode: watch out for *cucumbers* and Bobby - it's funny but they take a gazillion ton of water so they are super *inefficient* and at this point a super luxury good in spite of having *zero* taste ;). Naomi's son is an important topic and this is why she was sad that she "didn't get so say goodbye" back in episode 04 - it's a slow burn matter of maximum importance, just keep some mental notes ;). Best regards Raoul G. Kunz
@@kirkdarling4120 I hope I am... didn't mean to spoil anything, I'm a book reader and it's sometimes a tightrope act not to move too far ahead... sorry If I spoiled anything, don't *think* I did, but please feel free to mention anything if I overstep - will be deleted post-haste... Best regards Raoul G. Kunz
It's strange that you would question aloud the meaning of the episode title, and then cut out the scene in which it is explained. A mapmakers' notation, indicating that beyond the map is unexplored and unknown territory, in which all the most terrible creatures we can imagine might yet exist. This parallels Prax, looking at the twisted, malformed child in the incinerator and conjuring up in his imagination all the terrible fates his daughter may have met at the hands of her trusted "pediatrician." He is in unknown territory now, as is she.
TheDetailsMatter It was hard for me to condense this episode to 10 minutes honestly, and I felt that Alex’s scenes were not important to the plot compared to everything else
Carly Nicole. It was an Iturbe/Janus exchange, actually. Alex' ongoing love affair with Roci is fun to watch, but not particularly relevant to the meaning of the title.
Fun stuff that is not explained in show: when the Roci crew enter in that room where those soldiers are eating pizza, and they start to shoot, if you look close, Prax rises his gun and then a soldier reach for his gun and then Amos (or Holden, i don't know) fire his gun. And then O.K. Coral. Prax is a scientist and all his life he saw guns only in movies, and there, the detectives (if they want to know something), they draw a gun and they point it at the suspect, and said suspect will begin to spill his guts. That was he was trying to do there. To interogate those suspects. Poor guy!
"Here there be dragons." is what old mapmakers wrote on blank spaces.
Didn't it mean that no one had ever been there before?
@@Subjectivity13 Yeah, basically "You are entering unknown places, be careful."
Or where ships sink or dissapear with no known cause.
Correct!
It's what they used to put on maps at the edges when they (still) thought and believed the world was flat.
@Cbricklyne The Earth has 100% been known to be round for 2.5 millennia, and absolutely cartographers from a few centuries ago knew it was. The idea of the Earth being flat only existed thousands of years ago, and for the last few decades. Even ‘primitive’ tribespeople can tell that the Earth is round
The scene where Amos grabs the grenade and throws it back is straight out of the book. Perfectly recreated!
Just giddy knowing what you are going to go through. See you next episode, you clever cat.
One of the things I liked about the "Bobbie v Martens" scene is the _ease_ with which she utterly demolishes him when provoked. Although Frankie Adams is an inch shorter than the Martens actor, in the books Bobbie is apparently meant to be practically a giantess, taller and _much_ stronger than most men. By tossing Martens about like a rag doll, apparently effortlessly, Adams really sells Bobbie's physical superiority.
Yes, most Martians are taller (and thinner) than Earthers due to the lower gravity of Mars according to the books. But Bobbie is a giantess even for martian standards, she is a 2.15 meters mountain of muscles (that's 7 feet for you imperials). She is so tall and bulky that she has to use an older Marine Suit that was custom-made for her because she can't fit into the newer standard Marine Suits other MMC use. Show makers couldn't really find a Polynesian woman 2m tall that could act, so they cast Frankie, which, imo, is doing a great job in portraying Bobbie "physicality" even if she's not as tall as she is supposed to be. Bobbie is absolutely my favorite chars in the books.
@@nokta7373 Sometimes they also angle the camera or position her opposed male actors in a way to make her look more imposing.
The first rule of The Expanse is you do not F*#& with Bobbie Draper.
The second rule of The Expanse is you do not F*$# with Bobbie Draper.
Seriously though... she is doing such a great job conveying both her ability to navigate a situation talking and fighting. She is quick thinking, quick witted, strong and confident in her abilities and training. And coupled with her physical size, as a marine she trains in full 1G a lot of the time so she is stronger than most Martians there as well.
I'm glad they went with a more reasonably proportioned person. I think it sells her power that she's not just... really big, she has the stuff and just kicks all kinds of a*.
Folks, watch the spoilers. I get as excited as anyone in anticipation of what good reactors like Carly are going to experience (and I might make that mistake myself), but please let's be careful.
I love how Amos did not hesitate to grab that grenade. Beast mode!
Errinwright freaked out and confessed to Avasarala because Mao was trying to sell to Mars, and he can't have Mars have the protomolecule.
Also since he was supposed to be Mao's partner, this could be seen as a betrayal to Errinwright.
This is the episode that made me absolutely love Bobbie. She's such a badass
Back at the beginning of s.1, when everybody was asking themselves "Who?", nobody, including me, guessed the most obvious answer to that question. Cui bono? Who always benefits from a war, no matter which side wins?
I absolutely love your questions. You’re smart kiddo! I love watching you on this journey. I bet you’ll finish season 4 right before season 5 drops in late 2020
"Her little spyguy" brilliant :)
I love your videos. You always have intelligent commentary and are very intuitive about the direction of the shows you're commenting on. I wish you would watch Dark next. That would give you a mind exercise like nothing else.
Interesting side note, if you've read the novelization of Star Trek, Wrath of Khan, when Kirk, McCoy, & Saavik accompany Dr. Marcus and son into the Genesis Cave, someone, just to be funny, has hung a sign next to the entrance that reads "Here there be dragons."
Episode 2x11: starring Bobbie's right hook.
The demo was *for* Mars, to decide whether they want it. Mars just provided the situation (and people) for the demo.
I like the way your brain works. Thanks.
And now begins the non-stop rollercoaster, it wont stop for at least 15 episodes. Prepare tissues for next ep.
Love your Reactions!
Team ABC: Activated
and as Bobbie joins Avasarala and Cotyar; the adventures of team ABC is about to begin... yeah
Keep the drone in mind that Bobbie saw when she first encountered the hybrid. It flashed a red light and then the scene whited out.
Your reactions are awesome. I love the way you think and what you see. Omfg the next episode is so insanely good. Can't wait to see you there.
Christjen and Bobbie are our sane eyes and ears of Earth and Mars. Through the series just like them we have to figure out who to trust on earth, mars and the belt and i love they let us figure it out with them. We experience their confusion and strugle to get to the truth and fight for whats right for Earth, Mars, and the belt.
Awesome reaction i-Carly. Watching you react always cheers me up. See you on your next episode Gorgeous.🌹
Frankie Adams who plays Bobby Draper is an amateur boxer. apparently, in the scene where Bobby hit Captain Martens into the monitor on the wall, she ACTUALLY hit him.
Yes, she was supposed to "mildly" push him into the monitor on the wall, but she threw him with so much force they broke it. It was not supposed to break :D In the end, they kept the scene :)
It'd be cool it boxing was a hobby of hers beyond participation in one celebrity charity boxing event.
The next two episodes are going to blow you away...heck, the next two seasons will blow you away, too!
Cant wait for you to see the next episode. Mind-blowing --especially "the scene".
Stick to commenting about the current episode :p
You did not show your reaction to the 'here there be dragons' part ;)
Anyway, great review! So many great episodes yet to come!!!
So I'm not going to give anything away but the story around Naomi's child isn't explored until book 5 in the book series. That's how amazing the show is for setting up future storylines and weaving those elements in earlier.
Naomi is a surrogate mom/Jiminy Cricket conscience to Amos. We sorta knew that but now we know what Naomi was getting out of it. It is guilt or amplified maternal feelings from her child lost. I also think that is why Amos is so nice to Pax. In Amos' world before, there is only The Churn. It is rare for Amos to see "decent" folk.
That table smack! Those scene shifts right when something is going down, grrrr... The thing to remember about Naomi is they let her character settle in, and when you least expect it, you get an atomic bomb dropped just like you said. Chrisjen and Bobbie, that's one of the really good parts from the books that hasn't carried over to the show that well. The relationship they have in the books, I could watch a show filled with nothing but them. It's like The Odd Couple, but with a couple of badass women. I love those two ladies so much, they are just freaking amazing.
There's a lot of foreshadow and setups that you only notice on a second viewing of the series. You're right about that.
Something that might not be clear, but it's been a significant amount of time, months, since Eros, and enough time for Strickland to have made great strides in Protomolecule research since then.
It's pretty sure that when Naomi said to Amos, "I didn't even get to say goodbye" she was talking about her son, but that statement also implies to me that the separation was so sudden and unexpected that she was unable to say goodbye before they were separated (like Prax didn't get to say good bye to Mei).
We have seen Naomi solid in her sympathy for her people and suffering of survivor's guilt since Eros, as did Miller.
7:47 is the moment you can literally see Bobbie become 100x more attractive to you 🥰💪🏼🦾
"Here there be dragons" was also featured in Fargo S1E01. Here's the link ua-cam.com/video/y-Dp0QogUI4/v-deo.html. Performed by the great Billy Bob Thornton. I really liked the Black Sails one as well
A. I hope you rewatch the series on your TV because it's gorgeous. Especially season 4.
B. Fun fact: The guard whose head Bobbie smashes against the wall is also a stand-in performer (Frank) on the show and he's fricking hilarious on set.
Bobbie Draper is a serious badass
Don't worry. They're still going to follow Naomi and Amos.
Waiting for your reactions on season 4 of the last kingdom,love your reactions..
As has been pointed out, the quote and term "Here they be dragons..." comes from a Nautical and Ship-sailing cartography (map-making) tradition and history (which is probably why you heard a variation if it from the show Black Sails), when they used to make maps and right at the edges where no one had "discovered" or knew what was beyond, they'd put that quote to discourage people from venturing farther, because it was also borne of the belief that the World was flat and that if you kept sailing you'd sail right off the edge and fall into the unknown all the way down to a hell-like scary place.
so if you look at a really old map, at both edges of it, it's marked "Here there be dragons..." with a little motif of a dragon in the water.
In the context of the show obviously that scientist was using it to observe that as humans have never been able to get to the surface of Venus or have one of their probes survive fo very long before getting crushed by the tremendous pressure, the fact that the protomolecule seemed to be still in one piece and functioning meant that it was undiscovered territory as far as humans were concerned and that there were (indeed) "dragons" down there.
Nothing like an exciting sprint for asylum. Remember that scene from The Saint?
I went down a rabbit hole about the nature of embassies and how they legally are home territory, until the embassy packs up and leaves or the host country kicks them out. Until then, you treat that boundary as serious shit.
Of course Bobby would get a honorable discharge. If she gets just kicked out, they would be admitting that they are really angry with her after she made her statement to the Earthers.
The Martians have to pretend that she did everything right and nothing happened at the meeting.
Thanks for reacting and uploading :D
I LOVE BOBBI!! your not bad either...
Thank god I am not reactor, so I could binge watch the whole series.
Erinwright is a patriot in his own opinion and his maxim for everything he ever did and does in this matters is "Earth must come first", keep that in mind because it really is the baseline for everything he does, even if we despise him for it occasionally.
Also something for the next episode: watch out for *cucumbers* and Bobby - it's funny but they take a gazillion ton of water so they are super *inefficient* and at this point a super luxury good in spite of having *zero* taste ;).
Naomi's son is an important topic and this is why she was sad that she "didn't get so say goodbye" back in episode 04 - it's a slow burn matter of maximum importance, just keep some mental notes ;).
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
@Raoul G. Kunz be careful of spoilers.
@@kirkdarling4120 I hope I am... didn't mean to spoil anything, I'm a book reader and it's sometimes a tightrope act not to move too far ahead... sorry If I spoiled anything, don't *think* I did, but please feel free to mention anything if I overstep - will be deleted post-haste...
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
It's strange that you would question aloud the meaning of the episode title, and then cut out the scene in which it is explained.
A mapmakers' notation, indicating that beyond the map is unexplored and unknown territory, in which all the most terrible creatures we can imagine might yet exist.
This parallels Prax, looking at the twisted, malformed child in the incinerator and conjuring up in his imagination all the terrible fates his daughter may have met at the hands of her trusted "pediatrician." He is in unknown territory now, as is she.
TheDetailsMatter It was hard for me to condense this episode to 10 minutes honestly, and I felt that Alex’s scenes were not important to the plot compared to everything else
Carly Nicole. It was an Iturbe/Janus exchange, actually. Alex' ongoing love affair with Roci is fun to watch, but not particularly relevant to the meaning of the title.
TheDetailsMatter Gotcha, I apologize. I tried to get in an extra episode this week and missed a few good scenes
There are no 100% villains in this story... As well as there are no 100% good guys...
The story of Naomi's son and his father starts getting revealed in Season 4.
Yay a new upload 🙆🏼♀️
Another great reaction video :)
You didn't show Alex's scenes and his no-engine approach to Ganymede. I know they are not important to the overall plot but I really enjoyed them.
Ken Berry I know, this episode had so many great scenes it was hard to pack it all in 😣
Mars is keeping country music alive.
@@CarlyNicole1 plus that you've already been hit with copy write strikes better to be safe than shut down!
Please release the next episode soon!
The Last Kingdom season 4 reactions plz 😍
Of course the cover up was for the good of mars, had Earth known Mars was involved there would have been a war.
Hi, how are you? we would like to see reactions from the series the blacklist, greetings from spain ! 👏
carly when will you react to the last kingdom season 4? it's really good.
That's the reaction I'm waiting on too loool
Carly atleast reply and tell us when you'll start watching
Fun stuff that is not explained in show: when the Roci crew enter in that room where those soldiers are eating pizza, and they start to shoot, if you look close, Prax rises his gun and then a soldier reach for his gun and then Amos (or Holden, i don't know) fire his gun. And then O.K. Coral.
Prax is a scientist and all his life he saw guns only in movies, and there, the detectives (if they want to know something), they draw a gun and they point it at the suspect, and said suspect will begin to spill his guts. That was he was trying to do there. To interogate those suspects.
Poor guy!
The last kingdom season 4 plzzz
il ask again are you going to watch the new season of the last kingdom ???
Yes, when I come close to finishing The Expanse!
@@CarlyNicole1 so like two months ? :D
@@ArkturusRX Lol most likely, I'll try to get it done sooner but no promises
@@CarlyNicole1 yea thats cool its a brilliant season. i look forward to seeing your reaction when its here :)
@@alexholding6463 have u seen it
React to peaky blinders season 5. 🙂