Another point in favor of Frisk being the entity is within the FAQ page of the TSU website. Under the question "What headcanons does this project follow?" It mentions the inclusion of the "narrator Chara" theory. Obviously, Chara is still the narrator in this game, so Frisk as the Entity implements and swaps them in a way that still keeps their presence within the game's dialog boxes, but preserves their determination to move forward. Although Frisk could still also be Pride Temmie with this information, as they are the narrator of the prologue; swapping the role in a literal sense. Edit: Frisk as Pride Temmie also mirrors Undertale’s twist that the prologue was about Chara and not the player character. TSU also has a twist with how the prologue is presented to the player, with the identity of the narrator being the subversion rather than the identity of the human. The narrator seems to talk to the player directly at the beginning of the prologue similar to the way Chara talks to the player at the end of Genocide in Undertale.
I didn't know there was a theory about Frisk being Flowey. Honestly, I really like it. I still think that Frisk being the entity makes a bit more sense (especially now with the devs giving clues that seem to point in that direction), but if Frisk ends up being Flowey it'd definitely be just as cool. Especially with that dialogue with "Someday you'll find a relentless killer and sparing won't help" (something among those lines), like, what if Frisk has fallen because they thought they could mercy their way on everyone, only to find out some people can't be spared too little too late?
The Flowey and Pride Temmie theories have more weight to them than I initially thought, but I still think the Entity is the strongest theory. For one, the devs said that Frisk would be about as important as Chara in Undertale, if not less. Chara in Undertale, even going with NarraChara, doesn't really have anything to do in the story. They just ramble about what's happening around them. They don't really make any real choices (outside of maybe the end of Genocide when the narration starts going all first person, that whole part is super weird). If Frisk was Flowey or Pride Temmie, they would be quite a bit more active and important in the overall story than Chara was in Undertale. There's also naturally the question of HOW Frisk would become either of them, but based on the books, it seems they may be trying to imply humans can have an Asriel moment, so maybe that is what they're going for. Secondly, we never see any dialogue from Frisk in Undertale, and with how TS!Underswap is being very compliant to canon and intentionally leaving things vague that the original game left vague, I find it hard to believe that they would give Frisk all of this dialogue in the form of Flowey or Pride Temmie. Imo, Frisk making monologues would be very jarring and not feel very much like Frisk, and while I could definitely see AU content doing that, TS!Underswap in particular I have a hard time believing would do that, due to how they seem to be going about sticking to Undertale. Finally, the player cannot be the Entity. Look at basically anyone who has ever played TS!Underswap. All of us get to the scene in Asgore's house and are like "NOOOO LET US STAY". For the Entity to be us, it would have to be US, choosing to do what WE want to do. We are being forced to choose those options. You can argue "Oooh but you don't HAAAVE to choose those options, you can choose the OTHER thing" but that doesn't change the point, that when we move to those options wanting to choose them, something that is not us switches the options to something that we don't want. It can't be us. I don't know HOW so many player theories across Undertale, Deltarune, and its fan content all forget the fact that we don't WANT to do any of this stuff that is being pawned off on us. (Because I know it'll be brought up if I don't specify this, when I mention Deltarune, I'm not saying Snowgrave, Snowgrave is totally on us, I'm referring to how a lot of people villainize the player for controlling Kris even in Pacifist, when we very much don't want that either and would rather have our vessel we personally created.) It's literally us, we know better than anyone we don't want this stuff, how do these theories keep happening? Speaking of Deltarune, Player VS Character is also very much Deltarune's thing, and considering TS!Underswap went as far as to reword their script to change "Proceed" to "Forward" to avoid copying Deltarune, I highly doubt that they're going to do the same Player VS Character thing that Deltarune is going for. With all of that being said... Frisk being the Entity fixes all of the issues here. The Entity feels about as important as Chara in Undertale, fits better with a Chara and Frisk swap, doesn't have to tackle the issue of how Frisk turning into Flowey or a Temmie would work, doesn't have any real dialogue just implied dialogue via choices just like Frisk, and isn't the player. It is by far the strongest candidate. That isn't to say the other candidates don't have weight, I particularly find the idea of the 7 Temmies being the 7 Humans VERY fascinating, (And Flowey saying he's best friends with Asriel is VERY alarming), but the other candidates are messy and have various flaws and holes. The Entity is the cleanest one to explain everything.
@@accomplishedshipyard I do generally agree with your first 2 points, but I don’t think Player Entity is as unbelievable as this makes it sound. It’s important to remember that besides Asgore’s home, literally every single Entity dialogue is optional, and the player has to actively choose those options. The dialogues in general are designed broadly to reflect our true intentions, which is to either complete the game or to see what content is in the game. This is not to demonize the player for playing the game, because I don’t think TS!Underswap is going that route, but rather testing your ability to self-insert in the game. Considering Chara and the Player’s relationship in Undertale, I actually believe it’s more canon-complicit for the Player to be the Entity if we want to go down that route, especially since the Entity’s control seems to manifesting by influencing how Chara actually feels, rather than just controlling every movement in their body like what’s implied for Kris. Regardless, as I mentioned in the video, if Frisk is the entity, then we have the whole issue of one of the Temmies or Flowey just likely missing an identity, which can only really be fixed through convoluted explanations. Overall, I still think the Entity being Frisk is a very likely possibility, but there’s a plenty of room to argue other possibilities.
@@kamera1890 I don't really want for Frisk to be an entity because it would make Frisk the one who wants to kill people who cared about them just for giggles. And force Chara to continue doing so. Don't you feel Chara/Frisk 2016 dynamic vibes? Why Frisk would be the one doing that?
@@justauser6078 admittedly, I’m not the biggest fan of Frisk being the entity either. But it being like a 2016 fanony Chara/Frisk dynamic entirely depends on how it’s executed. Personally, I think the Entity’s motives are extremely tied to the meta narrative to begin with, which wouldn’t really make Frisk “pure evil” in the case of them being entity. If you haven’t seen it, I’d recommend watching a prior video I made about the Discontent Theory (my own theory about the Ruthless Route) which explains what I think about the Entity and their motives in depth.
@@kamera1890 Yeah, I know about that. But I'm talking about in-universe thing. It doesn't matter that Frisk doesn't do only evil things, the point is that they force Chara AND want the people who care about them dead, just to see what happens next. It doesn't matter if you feed a puppy today to play with them, if tomorrow you want that puppy to die just for your entertainment, you know? Especially since, how even the good stuff from Frisk can be considered "good" if it's still just for the sake of seeing new content? It's like the situation with, well, psychopaths. They don't do only bad things, they do what benefits them. No matter if it is a good thing, or not. They just tend to be forceful and violent if they don't get what they want. Thus, Frisk ends up like the worst person in the game. Because unlike even UT Flowey, they don't have much of a reason to be this way.
@@kamera1890 Yeah, I know about that. But I'm talking about in-universe thing. It doesn't matter that Frisk doesn't do only evil things, the point is that they force Chara AND want the people who care about them dead, just to see what happens next. It doesn't matter if you feed a puppy today to play with them, if tomorrow you want that puppy to die just for your entertainment, you know? Especially since, how even the good stuff from Frisk can be considered "good" if it's still just for the sake of seeing new content? It's like the situation with, well, psychopaths. They don't do only bad things, they do what benefits them. No matter if it is a good thing, or not. They just tend to be forceful and violent if they don't get what they want. Thus, Frisk ends up like the worst person in the game. Because unlike even UT Flowey, they don't have much of a reason to be this way.
With the idea that all 7 Temmies are suppose go get significant identities... I think it makes the most sense to me that all 7 of them wind up as the 7 humans that fell before Chara. Since there's not many other groups of people that it could be.... and that would include having one of them be Frisk (would be a little weird if only 6 were human, and the 7th ws just randomonly a monster). As a side note, I couldn't help but notice while you were showing the clips, that when that First Temmie dropped it's act in the battle screen, it was colored Cyan instead of White. Cyan being a color associated with Patience and (presumably) the first (or maybe in TS!Underswap, the last) human to fall down (not counting the red souled humans). Maybe it's just grasping at straws, but if it turns out that the Temmies are the "reincarnations-of sorts" of the humans... then maybe that first temmie was the Cyan Souled Human... it did mention having waited a long time since it had it's soul.
21:57 Let's pause here for a moment and let Frisk aside for this little moment. Now, i don't want to theorize about Frisk in *this* comment, but about which human souls would be each one of them, following the logic of the humans souls being the Temmies. Well, since we don't have any traits about the humans souls more than their soul meaning, we can only connect them trough this trait of them. Im going to start with the easiest ones. First, Pride, could be obviously Frisk by the arguments given in the video. Second, sloth. That would be easily patience, since that patience can be perceived as "not doing anything" by some people in some situations. I propose that Patience is sloth because i don't think that the other human souls fit in a better way with this trait. The next one is wrath. I think that wrath could be an corrupted version of Justice, filled of anger by how unfair the world has been with them, and, by being consumed for their own feelings, forgetting about the importance of justice. It could be also kindness, since they could be exponentially mad with everyone by how they were treated despite of their attempts of being kind with everyone. Greed could be a corrupted sense of perseverance, trying to achieve anything at any cost no matter what. Now the last three and the hardest ones. Lust, envy and gluttony. Gluttony could be kindness since... you know... kindness has a pan, thus it theorically should know how to cook... the connections aren't that deep. But besides kindness, im not sure who else it could be. It could be any of the human souls, actually. Envy and Lust could be both integrity, since both are... basically the opposite of what integrity is supposed to be. However, being lustful or a sexually active person doesn't means that you can't contain certain integrity, it just means that you have a possible addiction with sex. Nothing more. Also, that belief of "sex = no integrity" is outdated nowadays. Even then, I still believe that while lust could fit integrity it could also fit envy (and a lot better) as how that envy of they could lead to the integrity soul to abandon their morals. And lust could be bravery, since it takes certain bravery to enter in a new world like sex and to trust the people with you would have these interactions (and more if they're unknown persons).
I predict we just won't see frisk at the end of ruthless as Chara likely won't let us, I think they will die the same way they do in undertale by poisoning themselves at the end of ruthless after the temmies are killed I think it would add more parallels to the TS! Underswap universe and create a bigger nuanced mystery around frisk
@@blazie42069 I don’t know if they’d have anything to poison themselves on hand, but I see it, or at least the idea of Chara taking over Frisk at the end of Ruthless. I see Chara attempting to erase themselves as something that will be hinted at more in the Neutral route.
i really like how the devs handled chara here and how you mentioned the narrators bits of dialogue shows charas positive attributes- it really good characterization and shows a really good knowledge Of undertale. ANYWAYS the theory of the 6 fallen humans being the temmies is actually super interesting and ive never thought of it before but it makes a lot of sense (at least in the parallels. as for the how thats more confusing, as unless the 6 temmies were inanimate objects like a plushie beforehand then thatd mean the humans somehow got the bodies of already living monsters. i was also going to ask how its possible for them to be temmies when their original bodies were Human but given the mention of cremation it could be the same process as asriel and flowey; giving determination to something that doesnt have a soul but has a monsters (or in this case humans) dust on it. toriel definitely couldve cremated the 6 children(????????????? would she do that though? its a proper burial but at the same time… and also shes against killing humans. man i have to replay this game i forgot so much) but the question is howd they get onto the temmies …….ive got to watch the rest of this now but thats super cool
4:09 While it is possible these could belong to someone, I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be funny reference to Toy Story. (Andy’s name being at the bottom of Woody’s shoe).
Good video. In my opinion I do not see Frisk be evil which I'm glad they devs didn't choose. Unlike Chara Frisk based on their descriptions is a good kid. They may be mischevous at times but they're good child. Personally speaking having Flowey as Pride Temmie would be too obvious. And I'm unsure if Frisk should be the entity. The closest theory I agree is Frisk being Flowey in this AU or maybe they're something else who knows.
Yeah, at maximum, they can be harsh with the things that they say (for example, telling to Snowdrake that nobody is going to love him for who he is in the original Undertale) but, mostly, they don't want to kill anybody, they just use self-defense if necessary. They're a bit childish and a bit flirty too, but in certain occasions can feel a bit awkward by doing so (for example, when we flirt with Toriel. She says that we don't look comfortable doing so).
Good theory about Flowey, although I also started thinking about Flowey. although the option M Temi is the most logical, although too obvious. I would also like to discuss the endings, which will be slightly different. Neutral: the most obvious, after the battle with Toriel, seven idiots come and kill Torka, and absorb 6 souls, and become mega Temi. Pacifist: In the end, it seems to me, Temi will betray everyone, and swallow all the souls herself, and Monster Kid will appear. "Finally, I'm tired of being a toy, Yo Chara, are you here? It's me, your new friend, MONSTER KID DREAMURR." Evacuation: I don't know how much it will differ from Neutral. Genocide: Well, after the murder of Toriel, Flowey, and the seven Temi, Chara might appear and ask what the point was in the murders, but at the same time, she'll say thank you for making her strong, then she'll say that there's no point in this world anymore, and offer to destroy it, after which she'll offer to continue playing together in exchange for a soul. Well, the theory that Chara will poison herself, that might be the same, maybe I've already seen that somewhere. (phew, I finally finished writing).
Chara's fall in UT is not intentional, it is accidental. We see Chara tripping over the vine and falling. They climbed the mountain for an unhappy reason - their hatred for humanity. Never it was implied their fall to be intentional. And description in Toby's Kickstarter are about Chara in UT.
@@justauser6078 I mean, the game itself leaves this vague, so I can’t definitively disagree, but there’s a lot of room to argue for that theory. As the game states, They climbed for an unhappy reason, and they likely knew about the legend of the mountain itself. Regarding the kickstarter description, It’s also important to note that Chara did not originally exist in Undertale, and exists currently because Temmie drew Frisk with one stripe instead of two, which Toby repurposed for Chara; So the fall that kickstarter was talking about was likely just about Frisk to begin with.
@@kamera1890 Yes, it was said. It was never said Chara wanted to commit suicide (even their unhappy reason are tied up to their hatred), because there's a lot of ways to kill yourself on the mountain, not some random hole they discovered accidentally in some random cage. Chara could have climbed this mountain to be away from humans and so that no one would find them, or at worst just to "disappear" (a passive suicide method), but there is no hint anywhere that Chara was actively looking for a way to end themself. About Kickstarter: Temmie's mistake was about drawing it in concept arts. In the concept art you can see that the main character has one stripe. The Kickstarter started after the release of the Demo, and in the Demo we already see Chara, not Frisk. Do you think it took Toby SO long to notice a mistake? Toby also tells the same description in some of his interviews after game release, as I recall. And in the merch (album collection), Frisk's fall looks different from Chara's fall already. Frisk falls face up while Chara falls face down.
@ Okay the kickstarter point is far. Although for the other part, I really don’t think there are too many ways to end yourself on a mountain besides falling down either its side or the hole Chara ended up falling into. The CGs we get for Chara’s fall at the beginning just make it seem like it was intended, like they march on into the cave of the mountain where they then see the gaping hole of the mountain, and still proceed on and trip into the mountain. The art makes it seem very deliberate.
@kamera1890 Yes, they can jump from any cliff. Why jump into random hole? Chara feels like a passively suicidal at most. Even their death later was done for the greater purpose, not just for the sake of dying. I mean, the Kickstarter claims that a human moves closer to the hole to get a better look. It is not that surprising.
@@earspontherobloxplayer1744 well we know Frisk is not the narrator because all of the narration is in first-person, showing that it is actually Chara narrating the game.
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It's insane how we could craft so many theories about the craracter who only appeared once and most of them even make sense
Another point in favor of Frisk being the entity is within the FAQ page of the TSU website. Under the question "What headcanons does this project follow?" It mentions the inclusion of the "narrator Chara" theory. Obviously, Chara is still the narrator in this game, so Frisk as the Entity implements and swaps them in a way that still keeps their presence within the game's dialog boxes, but preserves their determination to move forward. Although Frisk could still also be Pride Temmie with this information, as they are the narrator of the prologue; swapping the role in a literal sense.
Edit: Frisk as Pride Temmie also mirrors Undertale’s twist that the prologue was about Chara and not the player character. TSU also has a twist with how the prologue is presented to the player, with the identity of the narrator being the subversion rather than the identity of the human. The narrator seems to talk to the player directly at the beginning of the prologue similar to the way Chara talks to the player at the end of Genocide in Undertale.
I didn't know there was a theory about Frisk being Flowey. Honestly, I really like it. I still think that Frisk being the entity makes a bit more sense (especially now with the devs giving clues that seem to point in that direction), but if Frisk ends up being Flowey it'd definitely be just as cool. Especially with that dialogue with "Someday you'll find a relentless killer and sparing won't help" (something among those lines), like, what if Frisk has fallen because they thought they could mercy their way on everyone, only to find out some people can't be spared too little too late?
nice video! I'm so excited to see what they do with frisk and mk in this games future
off topic but i wonder how mk feels to have arms and i rlly like the flowey theory
Wait till the end of ruthless when people blame frisk for everything! It's gonna be the early 2015 undertale fanon all over again!
Yeah I hope we’ve learned from that
early 2015? undertale came out late 2015
@@based980 i assume they ment 2016
They already blame options changing onto Frisk.
Despite the fact that we can project options in Deltarune to say things.
Yo this is an amazing video, I loved it :)
The Flowey and Pride Temmie theories have more weight to them than I initially thought, but I still think the Entity is the strongest theory.
For one, the devs said that Frisk would be about as important as Chara in Undertale, if not less. Chara in Undertale, even going with NarraChara, doesn't really have anything to do in the story. They just ramble about what's happening around them. They don't really make any real choices (outside of maybe the end of Genocide when the narration starts going all first person, that whole part is super weird). If Frisk was Flowey or Pride Temmie, they would be quite a bit more active and important in the overall story than Chara was in Undertale. There's also naturally the question of HOW Frisk would become either of them, but based on the books, it seems they may be trying to imply humans can have an Asriel moment, so maybe that is what they're going for.
Secondly, we never see any dialogue from Frisk in Undertale, and with how TS!Underswap is being very compliant to canon and intentionally leaving things vague that the original game left vague, I find it hard to believe that they would give Frisk all of this dialogue in the form of Flowey or Pride Temmie. Imo, Frisk making monologues would be very jarring and not feel very much like Frisk, and while I could definitely see AU content doing that, TS!Underswap in particular I have a hard time believing would do that, due to how they seem to be going about sticking to Undertale.
Finally, the player cannot be the Entity. Look at basically anyone who has ever played TS!Underswap. All of us get to the scene in Asgore's house and are like "NOOOO LET US STAY". For the Entity to be us, it would have to be US, choosing to do what WE want to do. We are being forced to choose those options. You can argue "Oooh but you don't HAAAVE to choose those options, you can choose the OTHER thing" but that doesn't change the point, that when we move to those options wanting to choose them, something that is not us switches the options to something that we don't want. It can't be us. I don't know HOW so many player theories across Undertale, Deltarune, and its fan content all forget the fact that we don't WANT to do any of this stuff that is being pawned off on us. (Because I know it'll be brought up if I don't specify this, when I mention Deltarune, I'm not saying Snowgrave, Snowgrave is totally on us, I'm referring to how a lot of people villainize the player for controlling Kris even in Pacifist, when we very much don't want that either and would rather have our vessel we personally created.) It's literally us, we know better than anyone we don't want this stuff, how do these theories keep happening? Speaking of Deltarune, Player VS Character is also very much Deltarune's thing, and considering TS!Underswap went as far as to reword their script to change "Proceed" to "Forward" to avoid copying Deltarune, I highly doubt that they're going to do the same Player VS Character thing that Deltarune is going for.
With all of that being said... Frisk being the Entity fixes all of the issues here. The Entity feels about as important as Chara in Undertale, fits better with a Chara and Frisk swap, doesn't have to tackle the issue of how Frisk turning into Flowey or a Temmie would work, doesn't have any real dialogue just implied dialogue via choices just like Frisk, and isn't the player. It is by far the strongest candidate.
That isn't to say the other candidates don't have weight, I particularly find the idea of the 7 Temmies being the 7 Humans VERY fascinating, (And Flowey saying he's best friends with Asriel is VERY alarming), but the other candidates are messy and have various flaws and holes. The Entity is the cleanest one to explain everything.
@@accomplishedshipyard I do generally agree with your first 2 points, but I don’t think Player Entity is as unbelievable as this makes it sound. It’s important to remember that besides Asgore’s home, literally every single Entity dialogue is optional, and the player has to actively choose those options. The dialogues in general are designed broadly to reflect our true intentions, which is to either complete the game or to see what content is in the game. This is not to demonize the player for playing the game, because I don’t think TS!Underswap is going that route, but rather testing your ability to self-insert in the game. Considering Chara and the Player’s relationship in Undertale, I actually believe it’s more canon-complicit for the Player to be the Entity if we want to go down that route, especially since the Entity’s control seems to manifesting by influencing how Chara actually feels, rather than just controlling every movement in their body like what’s implied for Kris. Regardless, as I mentioned in the video, if Frisk is the entity, then we have the whole issue of one of the Temmies or Flowey just likely missing an identity, which can only really be fixed through convoluted explanations. Overall, I still think the Entity being Frisk is a very likely possibility, but there’s a plenty of room to argue other possibilities.
@@kamera1890 I don't really want for Frisk to be an entity because it would make Frisk the one who wants to kill people who cared about them just for giggles. And force Chara to continue doing so. Don't you feel Chara/Frisk 2016 dynamic vibes? Why Frisk would be the one doing that?
@@justauser6078 admittedly, I’m not the biggest fan of Frisk being the entity either. But it being like a 2016 fanony Chara/Frisk dynamic entirely depends on how it’s executed. Personally, I think the Entity’s motives are extremely tied to the meta narrative to begin with, which wouldn’t really make Frisk “pure evil” in the case of them being entity. If you haven’t seen it, I’d recommend watching a prior video I made about the Discontent Theory (my own theory about the Ruthless Route) which explains what I think about the Entity and their motives in depth.
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Yeah, I know about that. But I'm talking about in-universe thing.
It doesn't matter that Frisk doesn't do only evil things, the point is that they force Chara AND want the people who care about them dead, just to see what happens next. It doesn't matter if you feed a puppy today to play with them, if tomorrow you want that puppy to die just for your entertainment, you know? Especially since, how even the good stuff from Frisk can be considered "good" if it's still just for the sake of seeing new content?
It's like the situation with, well, psychopaths. They don't do only bad things, they do what benefits them. No matter if it is a good thing, or not. They just tend to be forceful and violent if they don't get what they want.
Thus, Frisk ends up like the worst person in the game. Because unlike even UT Flowey, they don't have much of a reason to be this way.
@@kamera1890
Yeah, I know about that. But I'm talking about in-universe thing.
It doesn't matter that Frisk doesn't do only evil things, the point is that they force Chara AND want the people who care about them dead, just to see what happens next. It doesn't matter if you feed a puppy today to play with them, if tomorrow you want that puppy to die just for your entertainment, you know? Especially since, how even the good stuff from Frisk can be considered "good" if it's still just for the sake of seeing new content?
It's like the situation with, well, psychopaths. They don't do only bad things, they do what benefits them. No matter if it is a good thing, or not. They just tend to be forceful and violent if they don't get what they want.
Thus, Frisk ends up like the worst person in the game. Because unlike even UT Flowey, they don't have much of a reason to be this way.
i love your channel, you do so much ts underswap content and it makes me so happy. ty
Good analysis
pride theory, and then photoshop temmie's just called BLASPHEMMIE
With the idea that all 7 Temmies are suppose go get significant identities... I think it makes the most sense to me that all 7 of them wind up as the 7 humans that fell before Chara. Since there's not many other groups of people that it could be.... and that would include having one of them be Frisk (would be a little weird if only 6 were human, and the 7th ws just randomonly a monster).
As a side note, I couldn't help but notice while you were showing the clips, that when that First Temmie dropped it's act in the battle screen, it was colored Cyan instead of White. Cyan being a color associated with Patience and (presumably) the first (or maybe in TS!Underswap, the last) human to fall down (not counting the red souled humans).
Maybe it's just grasping at straws, but if it turns out that the Temmies are the "reincarnations-of sorts" of the humans... then maybe that first temmie was the Cyan Souled Human... it did mention having waited a long time since it had it's soul.
You can make the battle sprites be colored in the options (you can see it with sans, he's blue in the hangout footage)
@angryhal09 That would explain the color shift in the clips... Thank you. :)
21:57 Let's pause here for a moment and let Frisk aside for this little moment. Now, i don't want to theorize about Frisk in *this* comment, but about which human souls would be each one of them, following the logic of the humans souls being the Temmies. Well, since we don't have any traits about the humans souls more than their soul meaning, we can only connect them trough this trait of them. Im going to start with the easiest ones. First, Pride, could be obviously Frisk by the arguments given in the video. Second, sloth. That would be easily patience, since that patience can be perceived as "not doing anything" by some people in some situations. I propose that Patience is sloth because i don't think that the other human souls fit in a better way with this trait.
The next one is wrath. I think that wrath could be an corrupted version of Justice, filled of anger by how unfair the world has been with them, and, by being consumed for their own feelings, forgetting about the importance of justice. It could be also kindness, since they could be exponentially mad with everyone by how they were treated despite of their attempts of being kind with everyone.
Greed could be a corrupted sense of perseverance, trying to achieve anything at any cost no matter what.
Now the last three and the hardest ones. Lust, envy and gluttony.
Gluttony could be kindness since... you know... kindness has a pan, thus it theorically should know how to cook... the connections aren't that deep. But besides kindness, im not sure who else it could be. It could be any of the human souls, actually.
Envy and Lust could be both integrity, since both are... basically the opposite of what integrity is supposed to be. However, being lustful or a sexually active person doesn't means that you can't contain certain integrity, it just means that you have a possible addiction with sex. Nothing more. Also, that belief of "sex = no integrity" is outdated nowadays. Even then, I still believe that while lust could fit integrity it could also fit envy (and a lot better) as how that envy of they could lead to the integrity soul to abandon their morals. And lust could be bravery, since it takes certain bravery to enter in a new world like sex and to trust the people with you would have these interactions (and more if they're unknown persons).
that thumbnail tho!!! its all over the screen! ❤❤❤😢😮😮
I predict we just won't see frisk at the end of ruthless as Chara likely won't let us, I think they will die the same way they do in undertale by poisoning themselves at the end of ruthless after the temmies are killed
I think it would add more parallels to the TS! Underswap universe and create a bigger nuanced mystery around frisk
@@blazie42069 I don’t know if they’d have anything to poison themselves on hand, but I see it, or at least the idea of Chara taking over Frisk at the end of Ruthless. I see Chara attempting to erase themselves as something that will be hinted at more in the Neutral route.
@@kamera1890i mean we know there are likely buttercups in the throne room
i really like how the devs handled chara here and how you mentioned the narrators bits of dialogue shows charas positive attributes- it really good characterization and shows a really good knowledge Of undertale. ANYWAYS the theory of the 6 fallen humans being the temmies is actually super interesting and ive never thought of it before but it makes a lot of sense (at least in the parallels. as for the how thats more confusing, as unless the 6 temmies were inanimate objects like a plushie beforehand then thatd mean the humans somehow got the bodies of already living monsters. i was also going to ask how its possible for them to be temmies when their original bodies were Human but given the mention of cremation it could be the same process as asriel and flowey; giving determination to something that doesnt have a soul but has a monsters (or in this case humans) dust on it. toriel definitely couldve cremated the 6 children(????????????? would she do that though? its a proper burial but at the same time… and also shes against killing humans. man i have to replay this game i forgot so much) but the question is howd they get onto the temmies …….ive got to watch the rest of this now but thats super cool
4:09 While it is possible these could belong to someone, I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be funny reference to Toy Story. (Andy’s name being at the bottom of Woody’s shoe).
me. i'm frisk. mystery solved.
Personally, I like the Frisk = Flowey theory, as it makes sense MK would become the Temmies, but I like seeing what others come up with.
I'm a simple person; I see Kamera upload, I watch Kamera video. Period.
I love ts underswap!
Good video. In my opinion I do not see Frisk be evil which I'm glad they devs didn't choose. Unlike Chara Frisk based on their descriptions is a good kid. They may be mischevous at times but they're good child. Personally speaking having Flowey as Pride Temmie would be too obvious. And I'm unsure if Frisk should be the entity. The closest theory I agree is Frisk being Flowey in this AU or maybe they're something else who knows.
Yeah, at maximum, they can be harsh with the things that they say (for example, telling to Snowdrake that nobody is going to love him for who he is in the original Undertale) but, mostly, they don't want to kill anybody, they just use self-defense if necessary.
They're a bit childish and a bit flirty too, but in certain occasions can feel a bit awkward by doing so (for example, when we flirt with Toriel. She says that we don't look comfortable doing so).
Good theory about Flowey, although I also started thinking about Flowey.
although the option M Temi is the most logical, although too obvious.
I would also like to discuss the endings, which will be slightly different.
Neutral: the most obvious, after the battle with Toriel, seven idiots come and kill Torka, and absorb 6 souls, and become mega Temi.
Pacifist: In the end, it seems to me, Temi will betray everyone, and swallow all the souls herself, and Monster Kid will appear. "Finally, I'm tired of being a toy, Yo Chara, are you here? It's me, your new friend, MONSTER KID DREAMURR."
Evacuation: I don't know how much it will differ from Neutral.
Genocide: Well, after the murder of Toriel, Flowey, and the seven Temi, Chara might appear and ask what the point was in the murders, but at the same time, she'll say thank you for making her strong, then she'll say that there's no point in this world anymore, and offer to destroy it, after which she'll offer to continue playing together in exchange for a soul. Well, the theory that Chara will poison herself, that might be the same, maybe I've already seen that somewhere. (phew, I finally finished writing).
hell yeah
Chara's fall in UT is not intentional, it is accidental. We see Chara tripping over the vine and falling. They climbed the mountain for an unhappy reason - their hatred for humanity. Never it was implied their fall to be intentional. And description in Toby's Kickstarter are about Chara in UT.
@@justauser6078 I mean, the game itself leaves this vague, so I can’t definitively disagree, but there’s a lot of room to argue for that theory. As the game states, They climbed for an unhappy reason, and they likely knew about the legend of the mountain itself. Regarding the kickstarter description, It’s also important to note that Chara did not originally exist in Undertale, and exists currently because Temmie drew Frisk with one stripe instead of two, which Toby repurposed for Chara; So the fall that kickstarter was talking about was likely just about Frisk to begin with.
@@kamera1890
Yes, it was said. It was never said Chara wanted to commit suicide (even their unhappy reason are tied up to their hatred), because there's a lot of ways to kill yourself on the mountain, not some random hole they discovered accidentally in some random cage. Chara could have climbed this mountain to be away from humans and so that no one would find them, or at worst just to "disappear" (a passive suicide method), but there is no hint anywhere that Chara was actively looking for a way to end themself.
About Kickstarter:
Temmie's mistake was about drawing it in concept arts. In the concept art you can see that the main character has one stripe. The Kickstarter started after the release of the Demo, and in the Demo we already see Chara, not Frisk. Do you think it took Toby SO long to notice a mistake?
Toby also tells the same description in some of his interviews after game release, as I recall.
And in the merch (album collection), Frisk's fall looks different from Chara's fall already.
Frisk falls face up while Chara falls face down.
@ Okay the kickstarter point is far. Although for the other part, I really don’t think there are too many ways to end yourself on a mountain besides falling down either its side or the hole Chara ended up falling into. The CGs we get for Chara’s fall at the beginning just make it seem like it was intended, like they march on into the cave of the mountain where they then see the gaping hole of the mountain, and still proceed on and trip into the mountain. The art makes it seem very deliberate.
@kamera1890
Yes, they can jump from any cliff. Why jump into random hole? Chara feels like a passively suicidal at most. Even their death later was done for the greater purpose, not just for the sake of dying.
I mean, the Kickstarter claims that a human moves closer to the hole to get a better look.
It is not that surprising.
What's not to say that firsk is pride temmie and the narrator?
@@earspontherobloxplayer1744 well we know Frisk is not the narrator because all of the narration is in first-person, showing that it is actually Chara narrating the game.
Frisk Is Just A Ghost In My Head That Insists Me To Kill
Good video and tsunderswap chapter 3 will come out in 2026
Nah bro i think thats too long its one area
And they said they wont be making something as long as starlight isles
We may get it next year, crystal springs/hollows has been in development even before starlight isles dropped
@@sambuujargalsaihan6101 Crystal Springs… Tomorrow!!
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you stole my branding i'm taking you to court /j
but fr great vid
The identity theft was too tempting unfortunately, I hope you can understand.