If the info in this video wasn't bad enough, I've since become aware of an old BodyBuilding forum account that allegedly belongs to Eric Frayman, the CEO of GamerSupps. This account belongs to an individual with the same name, from the same state, who linked to a now unlisted GamerSupps UA-cam video and has a long history of homophobic slurs, sexist remarks, and rape jokes. This went from disrespectful, to absolutely vile. twitter.com/el_fracno/status/1353823773795917825
@Fracno I would like to make a video making more people aware of this situation, do I have permission to use clips from your videos in order to make my own?
Major props for making this video dude. Big balls and major integrity on your part. The pettiness and creepiness of GS’s CE-freakin-O is unreal. Thanks for exposing this, sharing your story, and elevating Ice’s story too.
Damn, i've been seeing a lot of popular streamers/youtubers moving to this brand. Was ordering the sample pack because I thought might as well give them a try. This shit is absolutely wild.
I mean, to be fair, content creators such as streamers and youtubers are willing to take sponsors from just about anyone so long as the pay out is big enough. You know how the sayong goes; "everyone has their price". Some of them might say "I'll never do those mobile ads" but the amount that would actually stick to that is small. Not all content creators are willing to sell out but the vast majority, like *vast* majority, are fully willing to take almost any sponsor whether they're shady or not so long as the paycheck is big enough. I mean, how many took Blizzard sponsors during the lawsuit? The amount of people that shilled for RAID was insane, and they where known to be a bad game with predetory monetisation and questinable business practises early on. Hello Fresh is a pretty crap deal, yet tons are still sponsored by them. Doordash is a common one, and those delivery businesses are known to be predetory and run it mostly on exploiting poor people and immigrants to pay them unethically low wages. NordVPN has been caught to be shady for a long time now, and it's still a major sponsor. Keeps is pretty full of shit and have been found to use questionable data to promote themselves. Manscape is proven overpriced trash. And lets never forget the whole Established Titles scam, that almost all those who promoted them just quietly dropeed and never apologised for how they did kind of scam their viewers with that one. The list goes on and on. The hot tip is to not take any sponsor a content creator takes on at face value. It's a recommendation at best, and you should always look into the stuff before you buy. They're only people doing business, entertainers that act like billboard ads, like F1 racers or football teams, nothing more. Being an aware consumer is not just ethically healthy, but also often benificial for your economy. You wouldn't believe how many product there are out there that are both better and cheaper than the big names that can afford mass advertising. Never forget, ads are propaganda, no two ways about it, and ads work. None of us are immune to them, but being aware of that can help us at least resist it. I know it sound dramatically bad (and in many ways, it is) but I do actually mean it more in a neutral informing way rather than anything else.
@@FeralXenowait, schlatt bought the company? Wtf? I just thought he made the flavour. That would ezplain how shylily, badger and other like that became co-owners.
seeing this makes the brand look a little shady. using small creators for their idea's persistently trying to sponsor someone who doesn't prefer the drink and the GS account saying everything in your chat is not right what soever the harassment is unnecessary. maybe the GS account isn't real but idk. all of this makes them look like an unprofessional company.
And banned they should be after acting like half the salty twitch users I've seen. Almost had my menieres disease flare up again after seeing that salt in this video. Should be a sodium warning on this video....you know which side i mean that for fracno.
Ironically I first found your channel by searching for GamerSupps reviews. Thanks for helping everyone dodge a bullet on their product and dealing with them as a company.
literally same almost exactly 1 year later , i assumed the sample packets had a link to the full ingredient list until i saw half their list was propriety blend bs
Same here, I almost feel like I should send this to the youtuber who’s sponsorship got me to try their product. I’m lucky I decided to start looking more into their claims and ingredients
@@No.1-Yellow-Wood-Sorrel-Fan Literally every "dietary supplement" or "energy drink" marketed to people who play video games is either a complete scam, or just sugarwater.
Always appreciate your level headedness & willingness to speak frankly. Bad business is bad business regardless of the industry. Glad people are speaking up and sharing their experiences, it's the only way things change. If a company I am spending my money on conducts business this way, especially to individual creators, I'd want to know. You said it yourself, a single experience is just that. When multiple people have shared or similar experience, it's a trend. Thank you for being real and providing your experience while also honoring that it is your experience and encourage people to do their own homework and make their own decisions. Anyone or company that has an issue with that likely has a history of misconduct... - Squinky
I personally don't like or comment on a lot of UA-cam videos, but within the past month, I was recently exposed to your channel for the first time while I was personally doing research on supplements and your video reviews and explanations of ingredients have provided me a mass amount of knowledge in such a short amount of time that I feel very grateful to you for educating me on what is healthy and unhealthy for consumption. As a soon to be aspiring UA-cam creator, I respect and admire your transparency and exposure of the situation with GameSupps and hope it will provide not just myself, but others a well-needed eye-opening alert and perspective as to brand deal situations which may occur during the course of a digital creator's career. Thank you Fracno.
So apparently the new CEO of gamersupps is Jshlatt, hopefully Shlatt runs the company well, I actually love gamersupps due to RussianBadger convincing me enough to buy his flavor and HeyImBee promoting her creator cup, which was my first Waifu Cup.
Dude that has to be harassment of some sort. What he did to you on Twitch has to be some next level internet stalking and cyber bullying. It's only lucky that these guys had any balls to do this cause its obviously over the internet and he's so butthurt that he can't take proper criticism and plays the blame game instead.
I tried GamerSupps a few years ago and I felt duped by them at the time. They advertise that there are 100 servings and then I got the product and found out I needed to use double that to get enough caffeine to matter and who knows if there's enough of the other ingredients due to their lack of transparency. It also tasted like someone strained hot dog water through stale cotton candy. However, if I heard that they had changed their label to be more transparent, stopped misleading people about the servings, and improved the flavors I would have given them another chance. After seeing that their CEO makes a habit of trying to intimidate and manipulate content creators they could have the best product on the market and I wouldn't be interested.
@@TheSpamMuncher I knew something was up when I tried GFuel for the first time after my first supplement being GamerSupps. Always heard bad stuff about them.
i was reading an article about gamersupps, the special 'gamer energy' part is like 63% caffeine then the other ingredients are just 'pixie dusted' in and there isnt enough for it to have an effect. i got their free trial of 3 drinks and the taste was pretty nice but i wouldnt buy it myself
From what I know Jshlatt is now the CEO and gamersupps has gotten much better with the only issue being their shaker cups are ass. People “mod” them so the art doesn’t scratch off after the first wash. That is the only issue. But their drink are supposedly better than Gfuel they don’t have that fake sugar that raised blood sugar for diabetics people. They also should have a less gritty and chalky product. I ordered a caffeine free peach tea and I’ll get it soon so this is just what I have noticed. This CEO is gone I believe and jshlatt really does own gamersupps now.
@@DaClodGamer if that's what really happened then my bad. but tell me this why are they ignoring people's orders then? i ordered something a while ago and i got no response to what happened to my order and they kept ignoring my email's, and after a really long time i noticed they canceled my order even tho i paid for it same thing hapened to my friend they scammed or atleast never gave his order to him that he payed for and he has proof and so do i. so what's going on with that then? i really wanna believe these people are good atleast the new owners of it bc i did make a vid on them exposing them but i was wrong about jschlatt i guess, they still gotta fix the missing orders problem anyway's sorry for bad spelling.
@@Xert19 depends on how long ago it was. May 2022 was when Jshlatt bought gamersupps. If it was around that time some restructuring was going on. Plus Covid stuff made everything slow down with support. I can’t say why what happened to you did because I have zero clue. It probably was a mix of too many people with too little support during a massive corporate restructuring that caused some issues everywhere. Im not a fanboy for the company, as I said I haven’t even tasted my first flavor from them. I just think it was bad luck, with too much going on that some peoples orders got ignored.
I ordered the dragon fruit punch , this was the first time I’ve had gamer Supps. I live in the US ordered it on a Thursday didn’t get it until the following Monday. So far it’s not bad , doesn’t have sugar but after drinking it I get this sweet aftertaste that tastes like fundip. Taste isn’t bad either but the cups alone don’t dilute the powder enough because you gotta shake it so much to mix, Overall it’s not a bad product. I had to add a little over 2 scoops of powder into a 2 cups of filtered water, so serving size isn’t always one scoop. After consuming I don’t feel like I’ve ran a marathon and feel like my heart is going to explode. I feel energized enough after some small sips here and there, doesn’t taste like it’s heavily caffeinated. And I don’t crash after my energetic high either so not bad, I think the most problems I’ve had is just the shipping time and the cup design other than that I enjoy the product.
Imagine a company with enough money to afford a good design from a content creator but instead offer to pay them in product because it is clearly worth more to the creator than actually making money.
Glad I found you videos! I recently tried getting in to gamer energy drinks starting with gamersupps. While I'm a sucker for their waifu cups, I didn't know they screw over some of their influencer colabs. Pair that with questionable effectiveness, I don't think I will buy any more from them. Thanks for the info, Franco!
Looking back on the whole situations with this brand seems like many smaller streamers are still having issues with them and their mishandling on brand deals
Don't be, new management, new people. From what I've seen watching some of my favorite content creators signing up and getting partnered with them they love it. They are super lean on a lot of things and are very open and clear about things.
This is why I continue to purchase Sneak over any other brand. They are completely transparent about what the ingredients are, they are incredibly good flavours and they offer "Support a creator" codes if you want to support somebody without having to buy their specific shaker or flavour. That's a win for all parties as it gives Sneak a bit of exposure through content creators that they are partnered with, it gives support to the content creators if you use their creator code when making any purchase (again, not having to buy their specific shaker or flavour as Sneak doesn't seem to want to go down that route) and it benefits the customer by having a few discount codes here and there. I obviously can't see the inner workings of Sneak so I don't know if there are issues that we just aren't aware of but they don't seem to have put a foot wrong as of yet. Also their delivery is top notch as they don't ever seem to sit on an order, most of the time it is dispatched the same day regardless of delivery option. I've ordered at past 10pm and still got it the next day. You can choose the standard delivery which is 3-5 days and more often that not I'll receive it either the day after purchase or, failing that, the day after that. All of this is why Sneak is tops in my book and GamerSupps should be taking notes...
You know, I'm not surprised that that they're shady. Personal experience, I ordered a taster pack from gamersupps and it never arrived. Said "shipping label printed" on my package tracking app and nothing else for months.
Welp. I unfortunately ordered from them for the first time about a week ago, because they had a free shipping promotion, which is a nice deal for me since I'm in Europe. I've never tried one of these gamer energy powders before either. This already makes me regret. Love your videos!
hahah hey its the exact same for me... I bought the waifu cup because Trash Taste was sponsored by them. I didn't know abt the promo but I somehow guessed and put in the right code for fun and was like "wow great deal". Took 2 months to arrive but now I got the shaker which I kinda regret... but ima just take the shaker as it is and not support this company anymore
Naw, not true. The video was actually really informative. Go watch it. Out of all the brands he covered they were the most sketchy and vague about what was in their drink. I mean what energy drink doesn't even tell you how much caffeine is in it!? I mean really? And after you go SEARCHING for it you get a "sort of" answer. "about a cup of coffee"!? About a cup? So does it have a cup or naw? It is just really crazy. I would rather use brands like Sneak that tell their customers everything that is in their drink and the amounts of those things. If you have nothing to hide then why hide it?
@@xxhelmsx Why are you telling me this? I watched both videos when they came out because NO powder energy drinks were available in Norway EXCEPT Gamersupps... However, I do not support their behavior, did you even read my comment before going on a rant about whatever? xDD I am soooo confused rn on why you would answer my comment like that, hahahaha
I have now deleted my account at Gamer Supps, because I also often now had a rather unpleasant feeling when I had to deal with the support. The video was the last push that finally moved me to do so. Thanks for this informative video and the honest and neutral opinion on topics in the "gaming energy world" :)
Was looking up gamer supps YT to see if its cool to order aftering liking some cups. I'm glad to have been warned on a bad practice. Thanks for bringing awareness.
This makes me all the more glad I didn't actually go with Gamersupps. I was close, but I found your initial review video of all those brands, and because of you, I've become an avid fan of Sneak Energy, and I'm very happy with the product! Thanks, man!
I randomly tried to search on UA-cam for "if gamesupps was safe" basically because I had no idea. I've taken it for a while and didn't have any side effects, I never went over 4 doses a day, didn't use it all the time(used it to get off my soda kick). But this video just kinda cements me not wanting to buy from them again. I liked the flavoring, but I took it with half the recommended amount of water since I agree, the full amount makes you barely taste anything. But I wasn't well versed, I was trying to see if any ingredients were bad. I'm glad none of them are, but this is still unacceptable. Thank you for sharing it along with the other video. It wasn't what I was looking for but it was something I'm glad I saw.
I use to be a supervisor in the gamersupps R&D dept. And why they don't want your know the 7 secret herbs and spices. Is because what they do it. Drink alot of Redbull and Rockstar energy and then urinate in to crushed chalk. And let to dry. Then packaged and shipped.
Extremely weird, let alone unprofessional, something no company no matter how big or small should practice. I tried their free sample pack and was just as gross as g fuel. if not worse only because the lack of information was a joke. I threw away the 2 left since I couldn't really find a lot of info on them. This is the first video I'm watching of you and although this specific event of yours happened a while back, i still watched it all and listened to you, you earned my sub man.
As a graphic designer, it's common to see people doing whatever they can for "exposure." I'm surprised that the Twitch user never even had a signed agreement that listed the terms and all the legal jargon that's part of the deal. After seeing this video, I'm gonna stay away from this company …
You, much like me, definitely try to stay as far away from drama as possible. It's clear in your voice towards the end of the video. This must've been really hard to make/post. But definitely happy to see you use your platform to make a stand!
So with regards to this company and the situation with them and you, make sure you update if they respond. Air the dirty laundry of shitty practices. It is the way it should be done. Name and shame. It is beyond petty for them to be taking the actions, however *minorly* passive aggressive they are, towards you. Also, if you ever work with a company and do a design or what not make sure there is a contract in place that is legally binding before agreeing to anything. Companies like to abuse artists and smaller creators to "get exposure" but that exposure does nothing for your brand or your bank account. Especially if there is no contract to bind anyone to. It is a shitty thing to think that lawyers need to be involved with everything but when it comes down to streaming and shit, that is your brand and especially if you have any merch that you are selling to identify your brand. For Ice Rocker she might want to get a lawyer involved and send a C&D just to put them on legal notice. Tough misogynists really don't like it when they get called out in court.
I'm very thankful that you made that video. I was happy to see your video when i was looking into energy powder research. im trying to find things that help me an not hurt me. thats the kind of information that i get from your videos. thanks for all the help you have given me.
I cannot understand the mindset of someone who owns a successful (sort of) company like Gamer supps, and takes time out of their day to go into an independent content creators stream to take pot shots at them. Whoever it is that did that must have a lot of free time and a sad life 😐
honestly, 30 a cup and 12-16 WEEKS after a pre orde that has no end date is absolutely ridiculous. I immediately felt regret upon ordering a cup. I think the real way they sell products is just because of scarcity. Like if the drinks suck then I'm never ordering from them again
Also I love gamersupps Im upset that the ceo is doing this. To me the product is good but I don't like the CEO. It's kinda like Star Wars can be good but the current creators kinda suck at their job
GFUEL has been accused of awful practices as well. Unfortunately these energy mix companies are hugely predatory and love to dismantle a content creators brand in exchange for a code and hashtag abuse. Its all gross.
If they have no respect for business partners, they have no respect for their product either... Edit: I watched the whole video and your experience sounds extremely creepy and hostile. Sorry you have to go through this.
Good on you man for bringing this to light! Ever since your first video talking about their product I've stayed away from GS. Now for sure I want nothing to do with them.
damnnnnnnnn, thanks for the revie my friend was thinking bout getting a partnership with them and 70 k people getting disappointed of what he will promote is a bad reputation.
thank you for sharing this information this is getting me to move away from my bias towards them and try other brands to make sure this is a company I want to affiliate with in the future
Imagine stooping so low to intimidate them in their live stream after 7 months again all because they didn't have a positive experience with the brand. Looks like they need to get their priorities straight. Honestly so vile.
Wow, this makes me want to throw out the 2 tubs or give them away...to be professional and sell well, one cannot throw racism, rape, and ESPECIALLY homophobic slurs it's just unprofessional. I was a manager and understand it takes equality AND integrity. (Also Fracno, not only do they taste diluted, you can HEAVILY taste the chemicals from fake sugar, and it gives cottonmouth.)
Thank you for this video. I know this had to be a tough one to put out. I will not buy anymore of this product because you are right, that was straight up intimidation with what they did in your streams and what they did to Ice Rocker was bullshit, if true. It is now apparent that they do not even care about the creators or the culture as a whole and don't deserve the patronage.
That's definitely weird. Its like GamerSupps asked to be removed from your review video, and while you (understandably) refused GS has decided its fair to bug your live streams. Its not good business practice. I got a free tub and shaker roughly a year ago from a raffle. I enjoyed the shake (Blue Raz) and I considered buying more tubs. Hearing these behind the scenes interactions has totally put me off buying more. It's not something I want to support.
They/he did to you what Burger King pull off, almost the same thing. They didn't talked all that much about their product, which is kinda better, but yes this is shady af. They basically used you as an advertisment without paying you advertisment cost. Based on law they can do that, but based on twitch rules, they can't and this is bannable behaviour.
I've always had very positive interactions with both brands. They both use transparent labels. Advanced has better ingredients, doesn't use maltodextrin, but does use artificial coloring. Sneak has better flavors, does use maltodextrin, but does not use artificial coloring. I think the high price of Advanced is warranted because of their robust ingredient list, and Sneak feels a little overpriced because of their simple ingredient list.
I just "bought" the "free" sampler from them. The more and more I look into them, the more I realize that I'm not doing my business with them in the future...
Thanks for sending me this on the tweet....I didn't realize you posted this. Gamer Supps is shady, and I'll never buy from them. I've heard through the grapevine for a while they were shady, but I just shrugged it off. This topped the cake. IceRocker should get some form of compensation! They definitely took advantage of her and her design! You're not a "small streamer" to me bro. I got respect for you man 👊
It's such a shame. Their waifu cups are legitimately the best branded shakers out there, but between their awful treatment of creators, their blatant theft, and their total lack of transparency when it comes to their product, they're not a company worth supporting. I really hope someone else can do something with the concept, preferably with a few options that are a little less risque.
Great opinion piece man. Love your honest content. If people are self promoting in your chat at the expense of your community - seems like a ban to me!
People/companies like this need to be brought into the light and have their true colors shown. Glad you made a well informed video about Gamersupps' shady tactics.
Good video, thanks for sharing. Sorry those douche bags have been harassing you. I wasn't ever going to buy their stuff after your review but I'll make a point of spreading the word about their dodginess henceforth!
Hey I appreciate the content you do. I think you are achieving what you desired from it. It was a bad review of a product and they should learn from it. I don't see this as drama and hope that they can learn from the many mistakes they've made and start acting grown up and seeing this as water under the bridge. Keep up the good work man. I need more time in my day to stop by your streams more and hang out.
Great video, very well spoken and informative. I'm curious if there's been any major changes to the company as I'm seeing more UA-camrs getting sponsored by them.. UA-camrs that I feel wouldn't be cool with knowing the information in this video's pinned comment. Should always be careful with who you associate/receive sponsorships from, as a creator.
Yep, F GamerSupps, their drink made me miss a day of work because it makes me feel very sick. I stick with gfuel, sneak, Rogue energy, and advance.i might try others, but those are my go to energy drinks market to gamers.
The only one of these companies I'll support is Advanced. They're products just seem superior to everything else on the market, and they're partnership with creators just seems so amazing. All these other ones are just seem kind of crooked or partner themselves with really scummy people.
It's just so childish and immature behaviour from a supposably 'big' company in the gaming world. It's using underhand almost guerrila like tactics to keep them in your head and use your stream to get free exposure too
the way this guy was emailing you reminds me so much of Hussie's communication with Sarah Z in her video(s) about the Homestuck game fallout. these 'nerds' turned ceo's seem to think very much alike.
I’ve heard they’re under new management now but I don’t interact with them so I don’t know. I’d also be curious to learn what ingredients other companies are using that aren’t vegan? Kinda feels like saying a steak is keto friendly. (Not sarcasm, I’m genuinely interested)
If the info in this video wasn't bad enough, I've since become aware of an old BodyBuilding forum account that allegedly belongs to Eric Frayman, the CEO of GamerSupps. This account belongs to an individual with the same name, from the same state, who linked to a now unlisted GamerSupps UA-cam video and has a long history of homophobic slurs, sexist remarks, and rape jokes. This went from disrespectful, to absolutely vile.
twitter.com/el_fracno/status/1353823773795917825
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Just wanted to let you know that in her stream today icerocker even played a few minutes of a taped conversation with him.
@Fracno I would like to make a video making more people aware of this situation, do I have permission to use clips from your videos in order to make my own?
Well done mate Respect 👍🏻🎮
Shared on my Twitter page 👍🏻🎮
Major props for making this video dude. Big balls and major integrity on your part.
The pettiness and creepiness of GS’s CE-freakin-O is unreal. Thanks for exposing this, sharing your story, and elevating Ice’s story too.
Damn, i've been seeing a lot of popular streamers/youtubers moving to this brand. Was ordering the sample pack because I thought might as well give them a try. This shit is absolutely wild.
I mean, to be fair, content creators such as streamers and youtubers are willing to take sponsors from just about anyone so long as the pay out is big enough. You know how the sayong goes; "everyone has their price". Some of them might say "I'll never do those mobile ads" but the amount that would actually stick to that is small. Not all content creators are willing to sell out but the vast majority, like *vast* majority, are fully willing to take almost any sponsor whether they're shady or not so long as the paycheck is big enough.
I mean, how many took Blizzard sponsors during the lawsuit? The amount of people that shilled for RAID was insane, and they where known to be a bad game with predetory monetisation and questinable business practises early on. Hello Fresh is a pretty crap deal, yet tons are still sponsored by them. Doordash is a common one, and those delivery businesses are known to be predetory and run it mostly on exploiting poor people and immigrants to pay them unethically low wages. NordVPN has been caught to be shady for a long time now, and it's still a major sponsor. Keeps is pretty full of shit and have been found to use questionable data to promote themselves. Manscape is proven overpriced trash. And lets never forget the whole Established Titles scam, that almost all those who promoted them just quietly dropeed and never apologised for how they did kind of scam their viewers with that one. The list goes on and on.
The hot tip is to not take any sponsor a content creator takes on at face value. It's a recommendation at best, and you should always look into the stuff before you buy. They're only people doing business, entertainers that act like billboard ads, like F1 racers or football teams, nothing more. Being an aware consumer is not just ethically healthy, but also often benificial for your economy. You wouldn't believe how many product there are out there that are both better and cheaper than the big names that can afford mass advertising. Never forget, ads are propaganda, no two ways about it, and ads work. None of us are immune to them, but being aware of that can help us at least resist it. I know it sound dramatically bad (and in many ways, it is) but I do actually mean it more in a neutral informing way rather than anything else.
This was before Schlatt bought the company in 2022, it’s not really had any issues like this since.
@@FeralXenowait, schlatt bought the company? Wtf? I just thought he made the flavour. That would ezplain how shylily, badger and other like that became co-owners.
uh-oh, I literally have a gamersupps order on the way...
I tried gamersupps and wasnt very impressed, gonna be getting sneak for now on.
same i did a big order what do i dooo
@@N0rt
Resell it.
@@N0rt just keep it and never buy from them perfectly good powder you shouldn't waste
@@N0rt Decline it and return it
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Thank you for shedding light on this!
Your videos are hype
Just read her thread and man it’s horrible. Glad your covering it.
seeing this makes the brand look a little shady. using small creators for their idea's persistently trying to sponsor someone who doesn't prefer the drink and the GS account saying everything in your chat is not right what soever the harassment is unnecessary. maybe the GS account isn't real but idk. all of this makes them look like an unprofessional company.
I'm pretty much 100% sure that is the official GS Twitch account. I've since banned them.
And banned they should be after acting like half the salty twitch users I've seen.
Almost had my menieres disease flare up again after seeing that salt in this video. Should be a sodium warning on this video....you know which side i mean that for fracno.
I asked for support on a cup and the customer service was terrible they were rude and nasty to me.
Ggjason was the customer support name
Ironically I first found your channel by searching for GamerSupps reviews. Thanks for helping everyone dodge a bullet on their product and dealing with them as a company.
literally same almost exactly 1 year later , i assumed the sample packets had a link to the full ingredient list until i saw half their list was propriety blend bs
Same here, I almost feel like I should send this to the youtuber who’s sponsorship got me to try their product. I’m lucky I decided to start looking more into their claims and ingredients
@@No.1-Yellow-Wood-Sorrel-Fan Literally every "dietary supplement" or "energy drink" marketed to people who play video games is either a complete scam, or just sugarwater.
Never been at a video so early, I love your content though Fracno. Keep doing what your doing.🤘💪
Shlatt owns gg now, so i wonder how its going to change the business.
This is mad sketch on their part especially them coming into your stream like that I immediately thought harassment
Always appreciate your level headedness & willingness to speak frankly. Bad business is bad business regardless of the industry. Glad people are speaking up and sharing their experiences, it's the only way things change. If a company I am spending my money on conducts business this way, especially to individual creators, I'd want to know.
You said it yourself, a single experience is just that. When multiple people have shared or similar experience, it's a trend.
Thank you for being real and providing your experience while also honoring that it is your experience and encourage people to do their own homework and make their own decisions. Anyone or company that has an issue with that likely has a history of misconduct...
- Squinky
Imagine if Fracno owned such company, he is so reflective, transparent and hard working. Sucks that someone like GamerSupps need to act like this
Sad that this didn't made more waves.
3 Years later, they still make sponsors and produce this crap.
Wdym by "crap"
Hopefully that changed with the new owner
Hopefully now that the company has been bought out by JSchlatt we won't hear of any other problems like this
Don’t believe there have been any problems, but I wonder if JEchlatt made any improvements to it.
I personally don't like or comment on a lot of UA-cam videos, but within the past month, I was recently exposed to your channel for the first time while I was personally doing research on supplements and your video reviews and explanations of ingredients have provided me a mass amount of knowledge in such a short amount of time that I feel very grateful to you for educating me on what is healthy and unhealthy for consumption. As a soon to be aspiring UA-cam creator, I respect and admire your transparency and exposure of the situation with GameSupps and hope it will provide not just myself, but others a well-needed eye-opening alert and perspective as to brand deal situations which may occur during the course of a digital creator's career. Thank you Fracno.
this is the brand equivalent of drunk texting your ex.
And now jschlatt owns that shit 💀
So apparently the new CEO of gamersupps is Jshlatt, hopefully Shlatt runs the company well, I actually love gamersupps due to RussianBadger convincing me enough to buy his flavor and HeyImBee promoting her creator cup, which was my first Waifu Cup.
Dude that has to be harassment of some sort. What he did to you on Twitch has to be some next level internet stalking and cyber bullying. It's only lucky that these guys had any balls to do this cause its obviously over the internet and he's so butthurt that he can't take proper criticism and plays the blame game instead.
I tried GamerSupps a few years ago and I felt duped by them at the time. They advertise that there are 100 servings and then I got the product and found out I needed to use double that to get enough caffeine to matter and who knows if there's enough of the other ingredients due to their lack of transparency. It also tasted like someone strained hot dog water through stale cotton candy. However, if I heard that they had changed their label to be more transparent, stopped misleading people about the servings, and improved the flavors I would have given them another chance. After seeing that their CEO makes a habit of trying to intimidate and manipulate content creators they could have the best product on the market and I wouldn't be interested.
Their drink made me sick, so I stopped buying them. LOL
@@TheSpamMuncher I knew something was up when I tried GFuel for the first time after my first supplement being GamerSupps. Always heard bad stuff about them.
“Strained hot dog water through cotton candy” is a phenomenal visual for a flavor and oddly enough might win you an episode of Chopped.
@@lastshoelace It's funny because it's true!
i was reading an article about gamersupps, the special 'gamer energy' part is like 63% caffeine then the other ingredients are just 'pixie dusted' in and there isnt enough for it to have an effect. i got their free trial of 3 drinks and the taste was pretty nice but i wouldnt buy it myself
the waifu cups since they're only limited runs sucks
You actually made their owner butthurt by rejecting his offer, that was great. Huge respect for sticking to your opinion.
seeing most people ignore what gamersupps is doing truly is messed up and disgusting...
From what I know Jshlatt is now the CEO and gamersupps has gotten much better with the only issue being their shaker cups are ass. People “mod” them so the art doesn’t scratch off after the first wash. That is the only issue. But their drink are supposedly better than Gfuel they don’t have that fake sugar that raised blood sugar for diabetics people. They also should have a less gritty and chalky product. I ordered a caffeine free peach tea and I’ll get it soon so this is just what I have noticed. This CEO is gone I believe and jshlatt really does own gamersupps now.
@@DaClodGamer if that's what really happened then my bad. but tell me this why are they ignoring people's orders then? i ordered something a while ago and i got no response to what happened to my order and they kept ignoring my email's, and after a really long time i noticed they canceled my order even tho i paid for it same thing hapened to my friend they scammed or atleast never gave his order to him that he payed for and he has proof and so do i. so what's going on with that then? i really wanna believe these people are good atleast the new owners of it bc i did make a vid on them exposing them but i was wrong about jschlatt i guess, they still gotta fix the missing orders problem anyway's sorry for bad spelling.
@@Xert19 depends on how long ago it was. May 2022 was when Jshlatt bought gamersupps. If it was around that time some restructuring was going on. Plus Covid stuff made everything slow down with support. I can’t say why what happened to you did because I have zero clue. It probably was a mix of too many people with too little support during a massive corporate restructuring that caused some issues everywhere. Im not a fanboy for the company, as I said I haven’t even tasted my first flavor from them. I just think it was bad luck, with too much going on that some peoples orders got ignored.
@@DaClodGamer oh ok tnx for the explanation understandable.
I ordered the dragon fruit punch , this was the first time I’ve had gamer Supps. I live in the US ordered it on a Thursday didn’t get it until the following Monday. So far it’s not bad , doesn’t have sugar but after drinking it I get this sweet aftertaste that tastes like fundip.
Taste isn’t bad either but the cups alone don’t dilute the powder enough because you gotta shake it so much to mix,
Overall it’s not a bad product. I had to add a little over 2 scoops of powder into a 2 cups of filtered water, so serving size isn’t always one scoop.
After consuming I don’t feel like I’ve ran a marathon and feel like my heart is going to explode.
I feel energized enough after some small sips here and there, doesn’t taste like it’s heavily caffeinated.
And I don’t crash after my energetic high either so not bad,
I think the most problems I’ve had is just the shipping time and the cup design other than that I enjoy the product.
Imagine a company with enough money to afford a good design from a content creator but instead offer to pay them in product because it is clearly worth more to the creator than actually making money.
Glad I found you videos! I recently tried getting in to gamer energy drinks starting with gamersupps. While I'm a sucker for their waifu cups, I didn't know they screw over some of their influencer colabs. Pair that with questionable effectiveness, I don't think I will buy any more from them. Thanks for the info, Franco!
Also this is 2 years later and they still don't clearly label anything. What a shame
"questionable effectiveness"
None of these "gamer energy drinks" are anything but scams, come on, sharpen up.
This is very eye opening. Thank you so much for this video. I can’t believe a popular company would do such petty stuff.
Looking back on the whole situations with this brand seems like many smaller streamers are still having issues with them and their mishandling on brand deals
Oh, shit! Hopefully he's changed but god damn.
As russianbadger said:
Gamersupps
Those lawsuits are still pending.
Now I regret drinking my gamersupps
Don't be, new management, new people. From what I've seen watching some of my favorite content creators signing up and getting partnered with them they love it. They are super lean on a lot of things and are very open and clear about things.
This is why I continue to purchase Sneak over any other brand. They are completely transparent about what the ingredients are, they are incredibly good flavours and they offer "Support a creator" codes if you want to support somebody without having to buy their specific shaker or flavour. That's a win for all parties as it gives Sneak a bit of exposure through content creators that they are partnered with, it gives support to the content creators if you use their creator code when making any purchase (again, not having to buy their specific shaker or flavour as Sneak doesn't seem to want to go down that route) and it benefits the customer by having a few discount codes here and there. I obviously can't see the inner workings of Sneak so I don't know if there are issues that we just aren't aware of but they don't seem to have put a foot wrong as of yet. Also their delivery is top notch as they don't ever seem to sit on an order, most of the time it is dispatched the same day regardless of delivery option. I've ordered at past 10pm and still got it the next day. You can choose the standard delivery which is 3-5 days and more often that not I'll receive it either the day after purchase or, failing that, the day after that. All of this is why Sneak is tops in my book and GamerSupps should be taking notes...
Another thing offering the job could be is that if your opinion dose a 180 most viewers would believe the product made huge changes for the better
oh the irony that they have the balls to state they use proprietary blends to protect their IP
OH my i did not see that one coming
KFC has been doing it for years. So does Dr Pepper.
You know, I'm not surprised that that they're shady. Personal experience, I ordered a taster pack from gamersupps and it never arrived. Said "shipping label printed" on my package tracking app and nothing else for months.
usps has been backed up all december and a lot of january
@@L.Imperatrice I ordered in June.
Welp. I unfortunately ordered from them for the first time about a week ago, because they had a free shipping promotion, which is a nice deal for me since I'm in Europe. I've never tried one of these gamer energy powders before either. This already makes me regret. Love your videos!
hahah hey its the exact same for me... I bought the waifu cup because Trash Taste was sponsored by them. I didn't know abt the promo but I somehow guessed and put in the right code for fun and was like "wow great deal".
Took 2 months to arrive but now I got the shaker which I kinda regret... but ima just take the shaker as it is and not support this company anymore
Same boat, I had pre-ordered a cup, just got it and a tub of one of the flavors
ayyy my man really putting the gamer in gamersupps most genuine CEO!
I bet $100 that GamerSupps is the only one that has disliked this video xDD
Naw, not true. The video was actually really informative. Go watch it. Out of all the brands he covered they were the most sketchy and vague about what was in their drink. I mean what energy drink doesn't even tell you how much caffeine is in it!? I mean really? And after you go SEARCHING for it you get a "sort of" answer. "about a cup of coffee"!? About a cup? So does it have a cup or naw? It is just really crazy. I would rather use brands like Sneak that tell their customers everything that is in their drink and the amounts of those things. If you have nothing to hide then why hide it?
@@xxhelmsx Why are you telling me this? I watched both videos when they came out because NO powder energy drinks were available in Norway EXCEPT Gamersupps... However, I do not support their behavior, did you even read my comment before going on a rant about whatever? xDD I am soooo confused rn on why you would answer my comment like that, hahahaha
No I didn't see it. My bad brosif.
You would lose that bet, it has 97 dislikes at the time of this post.
Holy shit how unprofessional by Gamersupps.
God dude, that's so creepy. Thanks for sharing that with us, that's just such strange behavior for a company.
I have now deleted my account at Gamer Supps, because I also often now had a rather unpleasant feeling when I had to deal with the support. The video was the last push that finally moved me to do so.
Thanks for this informative video and the honest and neutral opinion on topics in the "gaming energy world" :)
Why would you, it’s one of the most healthy, much better than gfuel, like fucking dimensions better
yeah you might want to get sneak. not sure about that yet but you probably should.
@@FrogEnthusiast_TheOneAndOnly definitely not
Was looking up gamer supps YT to see if its cool to order aftering liking some cups. I'm glad to have been warned on a bad practice. Thanks for bringing awareness.
This makes me all the more glad I didn't actually go with Gamersupps. I was close, but I found your initial review video of all those brands, and because of you, I've become an avid fan of Sneak Energy, and I'm very happy with the product! Thanks, man!
I randomly tried to search on UA-cam for "if gamesupps was safe" basically because I had no idea. I've taken it for a while and didn't have any side effects, I never went over 4 doses a day, didn't use it all the time(used it to get off my soda kick). But this video just kinda cements me not wanting to buy from them again. I liked the flavoring, but I took it with half the recommended amount of water since I agree, the full amount makes you barely taste anything. But I wasn't well versed, I was trying to see if any ingredients were bad. I'm glad none of them are, but this is still unacceptable. Thank you for sharing it along with the other video. It wasn't what I was looking for but it was something I'm glad I saw.
I use to be a supervisor in the gamersupps R&D dept. And why they don't want your know the 7 secret herbs and spices. Is because what they do it. Drink alot of Redbull and Rockstar energy and then urinate in to crushed chalk. And let to dry. Then packaged and shipped.
do you know why they started making waifu shakers?? ive always thought they were pretty cringe
@@zirawiley9283more profits I think
Gamer supps definitely sounds and looks like a shady company, they won’t ever get my business
Glad that GamerSupps has been bought out by Schlatt, since I do really like their product.
Now that GFuel got themselves into the NFT controversy, this GamerSupp is being shared again.
Hello from Twitter.
Extremely weird, let alone unprofessional, something no company no matter how big or small should practice. I tried their free sample pack and was just as gross as g fuel. if not worse only because the lack of information was a joke. I threw away the 2 left since I couldn't really find a lot of info on them. This is the first video I'm watching of you and although this specific event of yours happened a while back, i still watched it all and listened to you, you earned my sub man.
As a graphic designer, it's common to see people doing whatever they can for "exposure." I'm surprised that the Twitch user never even had a signed agreement that listed the terms and all the legal jargon that's part of the deal. After seeing this video, I'm gonna stay away from this company …
You, much like me, definitely try to stay as far away from drama as possible. It's clear in your voice towards the end of the video. This must've been really hard to make/post. But definitely happy to see you use your platform to make a stand!
this was terrible. but everything is better now that Jshlatt is the ceo.
So with regards to this company and the situation with them and you, make sure you update if they respond. Air the dirty laundry of shitty practices. It is the way it should be done. Name and shame. It is beyond petty for them to be taking the actions, however *minorly* passive aggressive they are, towards you. Also, if you ever work with a company and do a design or what not make sure there is a contract in place that is legally binding before agreeing to anything. Companies like to abuse artists and smaller creators to "get exposure" but that exposure does nothing for your brand or your bank account. Especially if there is no contract to bind anyone to. It is a shitty thing to think that lawyers need to be involved with everything but when it comes down to streaming and shit, that is your brand and especially if you have any merch that you are selling to identify your brand. For Ice Rocker she might want to get a lawyer involved and send a C&D just to put them on legal notice. Tough misogynists really don't like it when they get called out in court.
Check out the description for an update. Also the pinned message. It’s even worse than I thought.
I'm very thankful that you made that video. I was happy to see your video when i was looking into energy powder research. im trying to find things that help me an not hurt me. thats the kind of information that i get from your videos. thanks for all the help you have given me.
I cannot understand the mindset of someone who owns a successful (sort of) company like Gamer supps, and takes time out of their day to go into an independent content creators stream to take pot shots at them. Whoever it is that did that must have a lot of free time and a sad life 😐
honestly, 30 a cup and 12-16 WEEKS after a pre orde that has no end date is absolutely ridiculous. I immediately felt regret upon ordering a cup. I think the real way they sell products is just because of scarcity. Like if the drinks suck then I'm never ordering from them again
I remember this stream, I was the one who put that in the chat and was just confused and laughing
The "eh...gamersupps, thank you for the tier 1 sub.." absolutely cracked me up
Also I love gamersupps Im upset that the ceo is doing this. To me the product is good but I don't like the CEO. It's kinda like Star Wars can be good but the current creators kinda suck at their job
GFUEL has been accused of awful practices as well. Unfortunately these energy mix companies are hugely predatory and love to dismantle a content creators brand in exchange for a code and hashtag abuse. Its all gross.
Sneak is the way to go although I do like gfuel
If they have no respect for business partners, they have no respect for their product either...
Edit: I watched the whole video and your experience sounds extremely creepy and hostile. Sorry you have to go through this.
Your professionalism is as equal to the quality of your videos: Awesome and amazing. Keep up the good work.
This is why I like Fracno's channel so much. Always respectful, well researched and authenticity. Thank you for sharing this. (WarFoX001)
Good on you man for bringing this to light! Ever since your first video talking about their product I've stayed away from GS. Now for sure I want nothing to do with them.
damnnnnnnnn, thanks for the revie my friend was thinking bout getting a partnership with them and 70 k people getting disappointed of what he will promote is a bad reputation.
thank you for sharing this information this is getting me to move away from my bias towards them and try other brands to make sure this is a company I want to affiliate with in the future
Imagine stooping so low to intimidate them in their live stream after 7 months again all because they didn't have a positive experience with the brand. Looks like they need to get their priorities straight. Honestly so vile.
Wow, this makes me want to throw out the 2 tubs or give them away...to be professional and sell well, one cannot throw racism, rape, and ESPECIALLY homophobic slurs it's just unprofessional. I was a manager and understand it takes equality AND integrity.
(Also Fracno, not only do they taste diluted, you can HEAVILY taste the chemicals from fake sugar, and it gives cottonmouth.)
As always...Top shelf content, keeping it classy and calm. Really enjoy hearing your experiences.
From what I've seen it's just red flags all over my friend and this companie in my opinion needs to be avoided 👍🏻
Thank you for this video. I know this had to be a tough one to put out. I will not buy anymore of this product because you are right, that was straight up intimidation with what they did in your streams and what they did to Ice Rocker was bullshit, if true.
It is now apparent that they do not even care about the creators or the culture as a whole and don't deserve the patronage.
That's definitely weird.
Its like GamerSupps asked to be removed from your review video, and while you (understandably) refused GS has decided its fair to bug your live streams.
Its not good business practice.
I got a free tub and shaker roughly a year ago from a raffle. I enjoyed the shake (Blue Raz) and I considered buying more tubs. Hearing these behind the scenes interactions has totally put me off buying more. It's not something I want to support.
They/he did to you what Burger King pull off, almost the same thing. They didn't talked all that much about their product, which is kinda better, but yes this is shady af.
They basically used you as an advertisment without paying you advertisment cost.
Based on law they can do that, but based on twitch rules, they can't and this is bannable behaviour.
How is Advanced vs Sneak?
Im curious as well.
I've always had very positive interactions with both brands. They both use transparent labels. Advanced has better ingredients, doesn't use maltodextrin, but does use artificial coloring. Sneak has better flavors, does use maltodextrin, but does not use artificial coloring. I think the high price of Advanced is warranted because of their robust ingredient list, and Sneak feels a little overpriced because of their simple ingredient list.
@@FracnoTV thanks for the great answer and your very informative videos.
Thank you Franco. Much appreciate the reply and the insight.
I wish I found this before I bought a tub from them...
I just "bought" the "free" sampler from them. The more and more I look into them, the more I realize that I'm not doing my business with them in the future...
Thanks for sending me this on the tweet....I didn't realize you posted this. Gamer Supps is shady, and I'll never buy from them. I've heard through the grapevine for a while they were shady, but I just shrugged it off. This topped the cake. IceRocker should get some form of compensation! They definitely took advantage of her and her design! You're not a "small streamer" to me bro. I got respect for you man 👊
It's such a shame. Their waifu cups are legitimately the best branded shakers out there, but between their awful treatment of creators, their blatant theft, and their total lack of transparency when it comes to their product, they're not a company worth supporting. I really hope someone else can do something with the concept, preferably with a few options that are a little less risque.
I hope this becomes bigger. Two of my favourite streamers promote this brand :(
Great opinion piece man. Love your honest content. If people are self promoting in your chat at the expense of your community - seems like a ban to me!
I've since banned them.
gamersupps the karen of the energy drink industry
Hope you have a wonderful 2021 ahead. Keep on doing what you love and don't forget to stop and do something else once in a while.
Thank you so much for bringing attention to issues such as these.
People/companies like this need to be brought into the light and have their true colors shown. Glad you made a well informed video about Gamersupps' shady tactics.
if you don't want anyone to copy your product make a proprietary flavoring blend, but make your nutritional blend transparent.
Has this been updated and addressed? If not in 2022 Im definitely not supporting them anymore. Period
Now I want tacos.
Good video, thanks for sharing. Sorry those douche bags have been harassing you. I wasn't ever going to buy their stuff after your review but I'll make a point of spreading the word about their dodginess henceforth!
Well seven months subbed. They have given you back the money you bought the tub for.
Hey I appreciate the content you do. I think you are achieving what you desired from it. It was a bad review of a product and they should learn from it. I don't see this as drama and hope that they can learn from the many mistakes they've made and start acting grown up and seeing this as water under the bridge.
Keep up the good work man. I need more time in my day to stop by your streams more and hang out.
Great video, very well spoken and informative. I'm curious if there's been any major changes to the company as I'm seeing more UA-camrs getting sponsored by them.. UA-camrs that I feel wouldn't be cool with knowing the information in this video's pinned comment. Should always be careful with who you associate/receive sponsorships from, as a creator.
And here I am, just shook that Joseph Joestar popped up on screen.
Yep, F GamerSupps, their drink made me miss a day of work because it makes me feel very sick. I stick with gfuel, sneak, Rogue energy, and advance.i might try others, but those are my go to energy drinks market to gamers.
The only one of these companies I'll support is Advanced. They're products just seem superior to everything else on the market, and they're partnership with creators just seems so amazing. All these other ones are just seem kind of crooked or partner themselves with really scummy people.
I've had nothing but positive experiences with Advanced.
Sneak is also good
Holy crap @Fracno you have got to be like... the NICEST guy ever. Much respect man.
I drink sneak and gfuel but tbh gamersupps seems really shady if I'm honest.
It's just so childish and immature behaviour from a supposably 'big' company in the gaming world. It's using underhand almost guerrila like tactics to keep them in your head and use your stream to get free exposure too
The most even keeled content creator around. Thanks for sharing, didn’t seem like it was 30 minutes long
He is very likable
Gamersupps: Just subbed for 8 months!
Franco: Leave me alone!!
the way this guy was emailing you reminds me so much of Hussie's communication with Sarah Z in her video(s) about the Homestuck game fallout. these 'nerds' turned ceo's seem to think very much alike.
I just bought one from them because it's the only G fuel type drink that's apparently vegan, do you know if they changed at all?
I’ve heard they’re under new management now but I don’t interact with them so I don’t know. I’d also be curious to learn what ingredients other companies are using that aren’t vegan? Kinda feels like saying a steak is keto friendly. (Not sarcasm, I’m genuinely interested)
@@FracnoTV Well they better not be dishonest unless they want to get sued.