While We Wait For an EV Minivan, There's The 2022 Toyota Sienna Hybrid
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- It's not electric, but it does have a motor, AWD, and seats 8 (in some configurations.) If you want to reduce your consumption and your emissions while transporting 7 of your closest friends, this is basically your only option at the moment.
@toyotausa #Sienna #SiennaHybrid #HybridMinivan
I really like the new hybrid Sienna now. Families can save a lot of gas, and still have a large vehicle for everyone.
Literally every minivan should be hybridized across the line
I think every small pedestrian type car or CUV should be.
I don't see why every car isn't hybridized at this point
See PacHy for 82 mpge! Plus fed tax credit that no hybrid getd5.
@@cablebox because manufacturers are greedy, and hybrid vehicles are less profitable than regular ICE vehicles.
Are you listening TOYOTA? WE NEED a Sienna Prime!!
For those wondering about real world mileage, we've had our '22 Sienna Platinum for about 10 months now and on long road trips, it gets around 35-36mpg, with one trip nearly 40mpg but around town during our normal day to day usage we're averaging about 30mpg, where we live its basically all hilly, twisty, back roads with little highway driving during a normal week. So if you don't do much highway driving, you should expect closer to 30mpg instead of 35. Still WAY better than the non-hybrid competition.
Yup. Our 22 XLE AWD we average 32-33 at 75 mpg with four adults and gear for a five hour trip.
Around town and countryside we have gotten anywhere from 36-37 mostly. Got 45.5 the other day.
Edmund's and Car & Driver longterm Sienna Hybrid is only managing 32 mpg. One has across country trip included.
For local, daily driving the Pacifica Hybrid sees over 30 miles on battery before engine starts and 82 mpge!
Toyota really oughtta shoehorn the Prime powertrain in here as fast as they can. I know there are logistical challenges with battery production and platform packaging, but this is the vehicle that really needs it as opposed to the RAV4. Sure, it’s nice to have as an option in the RAV4, but with how much hauling this theoretically is designed to do, makes much more sense to offer it here imo.
Unfortunately, "making sense" and making money doesn't alight fully. :)
RAV4 is the most popular unibody vehicle in America, so it gets the priority.
Although all you've said makes sense. I'd love to switch my Forester to a minivan of the same size and "AWD capabilities".
See Pacifica Hybrid for 82 mpge!
EV companies really need to get in the game regarding making practical vehicles. Once the Tesla Semi gets rolling, you'll understand the economic reasons too.
I would buy a plug-in hybrid Sienna with AWD and an all-electric range of 50 miles. Even if priced above $50k.
Price will definitely be above $50K for a Sienna Prime. The RAV4 Prime starts just above $40K.
If you're looking for an efficient, reliable minivan, there's nothing other than the Sienna. This is it.
The 83 mpge PacHy would like a word with you!
Im in Southern WV. yep we aint ready... many jn denial.. but im watching channels
like yours so i can get ready.. converted Power supply in Garage last month.. buying first EV in few months. I watch you and listen bout EVs.
Dear Subaru, please take all of the Toyota's minivans and add your AWD and styling to them. I know it's easier said that done, but I'd love to have a PHEV minivan the size and capabilities of the Forester in the future.
Nope Toyota already have an electric awd system, they can now add more batteries and a more powerful electric motor.
The EPA rating for the Sienna is very conservative. About a month ago, I rented this minivan and drove around the Los Angeles area for an entire day with 7 passengers. At the end, I averaged 42 mpg. Toyota's hybrid system is truly the best and most efficient in the market.
I agree with this but with a catch (a big one).
If you have any number of elevation changes or winding country roads, you will definitely see a dip in the performance. It's still amazing!! Winter's here in Canada will greatly impact the higher performance on the electric side as well. Right now I'm getting over 36 mpg, however, in the coldest part of winter I was seeing numbers as low as 26. That's mainly because of using all the accessories to warm up the car such as heated seats, heated steering wheel and the biggest culprit of them all... the internal combustion engine for warming up the cabin space. That engine has to run a heck of a lot more if you live in a colder area.
I own a 2022 sienna LE FWD.
At what speed were you driving?
@@terrencewilliams4976 Mostly at highway speed 65-70 mph.
That is still half the +80 mpge the Pacifica Hybrid gets. Plus PacHy gets $7,500 fed tax credit.
I rented a 2021 Sienna with the hybrid, but purchased the plug in 2021 Pacifica. I was disappointed with the Sienna engine noise and feeling of power when it was loaded with 4 passengers and full size Rottweiler. I also find most of my daily trips can be electric only in the Pacifica! Ability to drive 180 miles each way to my daughter’s university without range anxiety is a win. I’ll take the $7500 rebate next year, and I don’t plan to keep the Chrysler forever, so not worried about long term reliability, but my 300C continues to do well!
PacHy FTW!
Absolutely love my sienna. 1400+ km road trip averaged low 7L/100km.
Also, I read one reason Toyota says they use NiH is because they have a recycling program for them already
Got a 2022 XLE AWD a month ago. I average 37-42. Got 45.5 the other day.
I don’t baby it or anything. Drive it normal.
That buzzbomb 4-cylinder must be annoying or you are deaf?
Great mileage ... lousy acceleration and noisy engine though ;(
The ID Buzz is going to start around $70K when normally contented. The Sienna when loaded (Platinum) runs about $58K (including destination). I wouldn't mind spending more for the Buzz as long as it has nearly similar dimensions but it seems the Buzz is going to be a narrow van and probably couldn't do 3 carseats in the middle row. I can't see Honda or Toyota making a BEV minivan this decade.
If Kia made an electric Carnival I would be on the wait list.
I use my Model X as my daily driver and road trip vehicle although I do find myself grumbling about the lack of space when it's loaded with luggage and gear. When we need bigger for going to the airport with lots of luggage I fall back to my Odyssey - it eats gas but gets the job done.
Alex, if you try to buy a well equipped Sienna at a deal in Southern California it's going to be above $50k and much closer to $60K - the Model X is therefore ONLY double not triple the price. Still a stupid premium to pay and you'll never make that money back in fuel savings, but I'm willing to burn my wallet to help push the technology. In an ideal world, people should be buying/renting small BEVs like a Smart, Mini, Leaf or M3 for daily commute and have an option to cheaply rent a large vehicle for roadtrips or work uses - unfortunately our society isn't set up to have communal vehicle usage. Maybe with autonomous vehicles things will change.
@@chezzyperson3339 Well Chrysler only has 2 vehicles for sale in the US, so wouldn't surprise me if Stellantis wants to put that as their testbed. I think they said they're making a BEV Charger and I figure that will probably come out on the same platform since it's large body vehicle and not a small 4 person sedan.
Chrysler has never been shy about cutting edge with the minivan market. I think the only reason Toyota made the Sienna hybrid was because of CAFE standards since their Highlanders and RAVs outsell their Camry/Corolla to non-fleet buyers.
@@Tokamak3.1415 the Pacifica has averaged more sales than Sienna since last decade.
I have a Sienna on order. I will know in three to four months how it really does on mileage.
As far as removable second row seats, I have had my Odyssey for ten years now, and only removed the second row twice in ten years.
It's probably heavily user dependent. I don't have a truck, so I've pulled out the middle row of my Odyssey at least 100 times in 13 years. I've even made multiple hauls of ½ ton of sod and paving stones in the back from Home Depot for home improvements. It's great for moving tables, desks and bookshelves without having to disassemble them.
I have one. In the first 1000mi I have averaged 32mpg
@@theonlydarts good to know.
@@Tokamak3.1415 I have a trailer,so for larger or bulkier loads, I just hook up the trailer.
@@theonlydarts Edmund's and Car & Driver longterm Sienna Hybrid is stuck at 32 mpg.
Toyota ended up adding more sound-deadening to the current generation RAV4 Hybrid after owners complained about it, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happened with the Sienna.
Sienna, Sienna, Sienna!
More reliable because it's not all American. I'm sure it's has a longer life and better resale too, because it's primarily Japanese.
Hi.. i have toyota sienna 2022 xse only 2 weeks ...sports mode still slow . No power for begin start driving.. it normal or not normal for hybrid car
Alex, Why didn't Toyota send you a Sienna Woodland to test? After all, you live in a wooded landscape. For suburban dwellers, a mid level trim with AWD and a spare tire would be the Sienna that makes most sense. 🤔
No buzz until 2024 in US
I’ll keep my 2019 V6 AWD Sienna.
I bought a Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid (plug-in) and I love it. I also found it much more comfortable than the Toyota Sienna, as did my family. The Chrysler has a much more modern infotainment and higher quality backup camera.
I’ve used ~24 gallons of gasoline to drive ~2,500 miles since November.
I wish I the Pacifica had a heads-up display, highway driving assist, and a height adjustable rear hatch (you cannot set an opening height - it’s just full open or close).
The PacHy is a better buy for daily driving. Plus you get a $7,500 tax credit on a PHEV that Sienna Hybrid cannot.
@ 5:20 planetary was spelled *PLANATARY* ; Your videos are great, thanks.
7:19 actually, Ni-MH batteries are more expensive than li-ion batteries per kWh. However, like you said, the air-cooled system is cheaper and simpler than liquid cooling, and Ni-MH batteries don't require liquid cooling like li-ion batteries do, since they perform much better in extreme temperatures (hot & cold) compared to li-ion. Also, Ni-MH batteries have a longer cycle life than li-ion batteries, which is important in a hybrid since the hybrid battery is constantly being discharged and recharged at high rates during normal operation.
Rear seat entertainment is great if you have retro consoles or a nintendo switch dock.
You can cast screen of a tablet or smartphone to the rear-entertainment system and use the car speakers for audio.
…I can display my “My Space” account on the screen
This is the exact analysis I did last September(except I didn't consider the Tesla Model X lol) when looking for a replacement for my Odyssey. I have a family of 6. I went Kia Sorento PHEV; with the government rebate here it is basically the same price as a Sienna LE AWD. The Kia is too small for a "road trip" vehicle but I have a Suburban for that, and a "road trip" usually involves towing our 32' Travel Trailer. The Suburban is mostly parked as I work from home. The Kia will be the main "errand" vehicle. I'm up in Ontario Canada so the gas prices were always more expensive here than for down in the States, so economically the PHEV made sense already last September before the war. The way I figure it, the gas savings will offset the cost of the new vehicle over a used vehicle (especially since used vehicles are crazy priced right now). One way to look at it - the oil companies are paying most of my car note. Last I heard the vehicle should be delivered Early-mid May.
Good choice! The PHEV and U.S. tax credit on PHEV always beats just a hybrid with none. Both at thr bank and at the pump!
I wish there were more cars on the EU market like this. I can't get onboard with SUVs but that's all we're getting these days!
He latest vw t7 i think is plug in hybrid
iam wainting siena while one years where is my siena......
As an owner of the 2019 Honda Odyssey, I really like the fact that Toyota is making a hybrid minivan for the market. In late 2018, I was deciding between the Sienna and Odyssey. The Odyssey won me over at the time of purchase with IIHS top safety pick, Android Auto support, and more features for the money like adaptive cruise control even at lower trim. The Sienna at the time was just too dated.
However, I am still not sold on the Sienna in it's current form. First, the non removable 2nd row seats and 8+ second 0-60 are deal breakers for me. I really wish Toyota would make the 2nd row seats removable and offer a Sienna Prime model. They should take the powertrain from the 300hp AWD RAV4 Prime and put it in the Sienna. I would love to have the extra power / AWD to climb Tejon pass on the I-5 and trips to Lake Tahoe in winter with my whole family and their belongings. I would definitely use the charge hold feature to save up energy for those highway hill climbs. If I can get 35 miles EV range, I can probably drive 90+% of my trips on electricity alone for local errands/commutes. Then on long family road trips, I don't have to worry about charging. If Toyota can really offer a Sienna Prime model I might even forgive them for not offering removable second row.
I know Chrysler Pacifica has a plug in option and very flexible interior. But, I am not sold on their brand due to reliability and quality concerns.
But the Pacifica will be cheaper to run so any savings can pay for repairs
The PacHy offers $7,500 fed tax credit and double the daily driving fuel economy!
This is exactly what I'm thinking too. I too awaiting for Siena prime! I still driving my 2007 Odyssey EXL with +240K mi. now, I don't know how much longer she's last... but I hope Toyota will release the Siena prime asap, please.
@@tuan056585 Pacifica will be EV before Toyota does Sienna Prime.
Even the PacHy Pinnacle is like a Lexus Sienna!
@@normt430 , I do have a chance to drive Pacifica for 1 week (as Hertz rental). I admitted the outside styling look nice and she has plenty power to get into hwy., but the shift knob that turn me down (and same thing on the new Odyssey). I'm not a fan of "push button" for gear shifting! I prefer the classic style sifting gear like the new Sienna.
Sienna got almost all the Lexus options like 3D bird eyes view, Head up display, Reverse tilts side mirrors, Rearview mirror LCD with camera, surveyant camera,.... These options are not seen on some other minivan.
If Toyota put a prime badge next to the Sienna logo... I'm sold to it.
Come one Toyota! Just show me a Sienna Prime.
Whether or not everyone is ready for a full-electric vehicle is one issue. Another issue that I’ve encountered is when will the charging infrastructure will be ready for everyone to go electric?
In the mean time, hybrids and PHEVs can bridge the gap.
You right!
great review!! Thanks
I would love to see a Sienna Prime
The Pacifica Hybrid with 83 mpge is for you!
Sienna would be my choice
Love your channel. I hope the industry makes "hybrid jets" in the future just like they made hybrid cars.
Why the untill typo?
The AWD version on the XSE looks ugly compared to the FWD. The silver wheels and black molding make the new Sienna XSE AWD looks like a salvage car that's not fixed right. The 36MPG won't happen when you have 6 and more passengers but I agree, it is the King of minivan at the moment.
I pick Toyota for reliability, in Florida all EV doesn’t make sense when you have to evacuate fir a hurricane
If I were to get a minivan now, the Sienna is a great choice. Hybrid and eAWD would be just fine. The added Toyota reliability is a nice bonus. I would choose Toyota Sienna over the Chrysler despite the Pacifica is a plug-in.
The Model X would be a great EV for me if I could afford it, which I can't.
Model X has less cargo volume and less passenger room than Sienna and much less than Pacifica, at 91 vs 140 cu.ft.
Ha Ha...I guess I'm an old fart...for myself...I've never been a fan of Rear Entertainment Systems...we always wanted out kids looking out the windows to enjoy the creation and play a games like license plates spotting...or $1 per deer on vacations which was always a thrill for spotting a herd. 😇
We own one and get 34 mpg on the highway at 75 mph.
AWD? How long have you owned it? Any issues so far? TIA
@@redtarectecan7921 AWD, no issues so far. Had it for only 9 months so far. But it's a Toyota so I'd be surprised if I run in to any issues.
Nice. Looking into ok get one...I still have the 2011 V6 XLE. Thing is a tank, 180K still going strong.
I have a Pacifica hybrid now and don’t see anything on the horizon to replace it except, perhaps, the id. buzz.
Also, having had the seat back entertainment screens in the Pacifica, I don’t think I could go back to the ceiling mounted one.
I’m a snowbird. I pull a 5x8 closed utility trailer close to a thousand miles one way with my 2015 Sienna XLE. I average about 12 mpg. What could I expect with a Sienna hybrid?
…Good question
highway mileage will be similar, the big difference will be in traffic
You call them fish tail taillights. I call them crying mascara taillights
Did Toyota fix the leaking Moonroof problem? That's the only thing that bugged me from buying one of these.
…Good question
@@stephenfiore9960 Or, I would wait and see the Grand Highlander 🤣
Need some spellcheck on the title card.
But will the Pacifica lose its value because it’s a Chrysler? Toyotas tend to hold their value and last forever. Just a thought. Gas V reliability 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Japanese minivans are amazing, although some ugly.
There is nothing that beats the utility of the minivan. I'd love to have something like a Delica D:5, but slightly smaller.
This has no utility 😂
The cargo space has shrunk significantly and the second row seats don’t even come out like they used to
23:27 highlander?
hello, I have a 2021 chysler pacifica hybrid and last 11/2021 the check engine light came on, I went to the agency with an appointment, on 01/03/2022 they had my chrysler for a month, they called me to pick it up, that they ordered the part and today is 04/19/2022 and they have not given me an answer, I wanted to know if someone could help me, please: thank you
went back to the agency and they told me that everything has to start over, they have to check my chrysler pacifica hybrid one more time, because they don't have any information about my case what do I do besides starting over can someone help me today is 05/19/2022
It would be a good option if you could actually buy one. Toyota hasn't been able to provide one for our family.
Can this car run on battery only?
…For a little while
why isn't there a proper and practical ev mini-van....
Any other ev or hybrid with minivan space ?
Pacfica plug in hybrid is the closest competitor. Tesla model x is a small minivan and then there would be some suvs al with less space than a minivan. Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe, toyota highlander etc
1x(10/8/22)…..9:00…..15:00….done excellent thank w
Terrible engine. Test drove a 23 today and the acceleration is a joke and the engine sounds weird. Sad because its a great car besides that. Off to Honda and the V6 Odyssey ...
Aside from the hybrid and some Lexus like features like the power tilt telescope wheel and 4 zone climate control and ottomans, man did Toyota really screw up this van
The cargo space has shrunk significantly and the second row seats don’t even come out 🤦♂️
The last generation sienna had class leading cargo space. 38 cubic feet behind 3rd row; 88 cubic feet behind 2nd row; 110 cubic feet with the 2nd middle seats slid all the way forward; 150 cubic feet with the 2nd row seats taken out. To this day that’s still higher than most minivans and just about tied w the Kia carnival
I’ve also heard the interior isn’t luxurious nor is it visually interesting like the carnival.
The Carnival has terrible access to third-row when it has captain chairs on second row. The boxy shape gives the Carnival more head-room space than the Sienna but the leg-room space suffers big time. It has the worst fuel economy in the minivan segment and only comes in FWD.
Not interest in entertainment system
I don't trust Kia or Tesla. I prefer to buy Toyota and Honda.
Interesting. I bought my Model X specifically because of too many issues with my Sienna and Odyssey. The Sienna had the doors open on the freeway and was lemoned, the Odyssey had horrible phantom drain and needed constant jumping but was otherwise reliable (luckily no AC or trans issues @ 123K).
@@Tokamak3.1415 the X is an amazing car to behold, however it’s one of the lowest scoring cars in reliability on CR. I would buy the Sienna if the second row seats were easily designed to be removed and replaced easily. I was hoping that the Venza was a bit bigger inside than the RAV4. Now I’m waiting to see the redesign of the 2023 CRV hybrid. We Just replaced my wife’s 2001 Subaru Forester with a Leaf SV plus as our around town runabout. I’m looking to replace my 2014 Subaru Legacy with a Toyota or Honda hybrid for retirement road travel.
USA has too many different ev charging station standards compared to Europe . That and Long range EV costs make a hybrid a better choice for road trip travel today in America.
@@MechayaAlta I own an X and an Odyssey and had Sienna I lemon lawed. I was looking for something to replace my Odyssey and after 3 years wait I gave up and bought an X because I know Honda and Toyota weren't going to make one this decade.
I would have loved to have something with minivan doors instead of the stupid falcon doors. I mean the falcon doors do have their advantages at times, but they are less practical than sliding doors and most certainly more expensive to repair than sliding doors. I kept the Odyssey because the X doesn't cut it for moving cargo, only good for moving 5-7 people. So I'm still somewhat reliant on a gas vehicle for now.
Having said that, the Tesla has been my most reliable vehicle I have ever owned. It may be a sample size of one, but if you look at it from an engineering point of view the BEV should naturally be more reliable than an ICE. Even the lowly GM Bolt is GMs more reliable vehicle (compared to a Escalade) and I'm sure the Leaf is Nissan's sans issues with battery longevity. CR's rating system is just plain stupid. Having done medical research in the past I'm critical of "studies" and CR's methodologies are just not rational. The Tesla X is not built as well as a Lexus ES350, but the interior will undoubtedly last longer than any Mercury/Lincoln/Porsche/BMW/MB product I've owned. Porsche builds wonderful driving machines, but after 4 years those buttons need replacing and the CD changer will no longer work unlike a 2000 Corolla - the Tesla is somewhere in between. The drivetrain, however, will best anything Toyota offers at present sans maybe the new BZ4X. Remember Tesla did the EV drivetrain for Toyota's first BEV.
As far as charging standards - there's really only 2 in the US. Nissan's Chademo is dead - it's only Tesla and J1772 CCS - and the Tesla can use 1772. Both do the same thing - just have plastic and metal in different locations.
For road trips I agree, at least within the US. I drove from LA to Bryce, UT and LA to Mammoth with my X. It added a little extra time but not too much, with any cheaper EV sans the new Ioniq the charge times would be more significant. The US is just so large a country and people do sometimes drive 500 miles in a day. That's unheard of in Europe (trains everywhere) - you could be driving through 6 countries doing that. But honestly if I'm going to go past 500 miles I'm flying and that uses the same CO2 on newer narrow bodies, but some will still miss out of stopping at shady rest stops and eating weird roadside stand foods.
Don't understand why a EV minivan makes any sense in terms of cost when a van needs 150kW of batteries (costs ~$20k) to have any reasonable range when a hybrid minivan gets 35 mpg. But logical hybrids aren't sexy so it's full speed ahead with EV mandates in Europe...
Why would a minivan need a 150kwh battery? It’s a slightly taller vehicle, but aside from that I think would be pretty efficient when driving through the air. A 60-100kwh pack would be pretty usable for most people.
@@ALMX5DP that's why the PacHy is more efficient and costs less after fed tax rebate!
Couldn't agree with you more hybrid should be the transition. Going full ev in 10 years is a recipe for disaster and many have pledged even earlier in only 7 years by 2030
….Gavin Newsome is an id*ot for making California go all EV. You have rilling blackouts already in 2022
full ev is much more reliable and less maintenance than hybrid
Removable 2nd row seats are 1, dumb because most people are too lazy to remove them and if they needed the space inside they wouldn't have bought a minivan, and 2.... well there is no two. My first reason stands.
Minivans have been the go to vehicle for space. Not everyone wants to drive a lifted living room on wheels 😂
@@naveenthemachine I'm referring to 99% of minivan drivers. They use them as a people hauler not everyone is putting in plywood. And for that ONE time in a million years they might need to, designing an entire vehicle to remove the seats for that one time occasion is dumb and unnecessary. Just my two cents