Used Bonnet on a recent trip through Normandy with our Ioniq5. Worked perfectly with Ionity chargers and we locked into the 200kW refill before recent price increase. Ordered my Hyundai RFID card earlier today, good to know that it works well. Thanks Andrew
You have just saved my bacon! Got my Ioniq 1 month ago and Hyundai didnt tell me about this! I knew ionity membership for a year was included but was waitin gon something through the post. So just snuck in there. Brucey bonus is that as of 3 weeks ago (unknown to me!) there is an ionity charging station 1 mile from my house! Wow happy days. Thanks for the nudge!
Andrew, you are a gem! With reference to your tip on Ionity, having taken delivery of my Ultimate in May, I initiated the MyHyundai contract in June and you alone informed me of the benefit of my year long contract (I bought it from Eden Motors Basingstoke whose sales performance was poor with, for example, no offered advice on this benefit). My last few trips now have been arranged around recharging with Ionity using the MyHyundai card and, yes, the 25p/KW has been applied. I now am planning a European trip (why not, I'm retired!) and will continue to benefit from this contract! I have one unknown from using the superfast charger I have experienced if anyone can help with advice (and each time I have used them, my charging time has been at or close to the 18 mins 10-80%). My usual economy is 3.8miles/kWh. Setting off immediately after charging, this drops to 2.2 or so and never fully recovers for the rest of that journey! Is that to be expected?
I've been using Bonnet on my recent vacation week in Belgium, and it's great, and even without the refills, not very expensive either. It's not a monthly invoice, every charging session is billed separately and charged to your credit card.
Thank you for brightening up my early morning treadmill walk before work. If you want hot and cold, move to Madeira. Flavian can spend time in the hills and you can be at sea level. Many EV charging points and almost all power from renewables, mostly hydro-electric.
yes i did it yesterday and you can in theory delay the start of the contract... i registered yesterday and put the contract start date for july 23rd. There is still free charging where I live in catalunya, but will use the ionity when travelling to france and UK at the end of July
Thanks for the vid Andrew, just registered My Hyundai, completely forgot about it, thanks for the prompt, 1000 mile now in the Ioniq 5 and it just works perfectly.
Andrew I use Bonnet with my I-pace. Currently I pay £9 for a monthly refill 0r 20kWh (£0.45 per kwh). Once my prepaid credit has been used they continue to charge any surplus at my current refill rate per kWh. Not as you stated the PAYG rate. If I do not use all of my prepaid refill in any month, the balance is not lost but simply carried forward to the next month.
Thank you for this, i was going to France and facing e0.79kwh with Ionity, but now it will be e0.41 and it gets better as paying with GooglePay linked to my Chase bank card (which does free interbank exchange conversions), it will only cost at the current exchange rate of £0.35 per kwh - like the good old days. Cheaper than the Tesla Supercharger...win win
The VIN Number is on the bluelink app under User Settings -> Subscription information. I did it 5 days ago and got my card through the post yesterday. 0.49 euros abroad which is still cheap.
OH NO !!! Only just watched this. I've had my ultimate since February but only ever charged at home. Now planning a road trip but wasn't aware of the 30th June deadline. I've mailed Hyundai to see whether they will extend the free offer and waiting for a response, but there's no mention of it when you go on their site looking to buy an Ioniq 5. £11.25 x 12 months = £135. That's the cost of not not clicking the bell icon and watching these videos the day of release. Thanks for another really informative video Andrew - I just wish you had uploaded it a week earlier. 😢
Bonnet is excellent - you regularly get rewards in the form of free charge sessions or reduced rates in return for simple surveys and such. I think you can register a used IONIQ5 on the Charge My Hyundai to get the free IONITY premium for 12 months as long as that car hasn’t been registered before.
If you have any Hyundai EV you can pay for a years subscription to Ionity through the Charge My Hyundai RFID. This cost's £11.25 per month for 12 months which is cheaper that the 17.99 Euro direct through Ionity Passport. It also brings the price per kwh down to the 25p. I guess it can depend on exchange rate but currently both monthly and per kwh are cheaper via Charge My Hyundai.
Helpful information! Thx! I used IONITY just ones and it was for free to my surprise. Don’t ask me how but it started charging just by itself. Never heard of Bonnet but will have a look at it. Here in The Netherlands I only charge (if needed with the company car) at Fastned because they are the most recognizable party along our highway’s and they have auto-charging. It’s plug and charge and ending the session via the app. Works just fine. At home charging is still the cheapest but only by half a eurocent to the public charger down the street.
I had this happen too at a charger where I THINK the cable cooling wasn't working. It was charging at reduced speeds, so I wonder whether if the charger knows it can't operate at usual speeds, it vends for free rather than taking the entire unit out of service.
I have a Volvo card that is supposed to do the same thing at Ionity. On a long trip first stop I got charged full price; however next stop charge was free so have not had an argument with them. I am surprised that on most chargers there is nothing to show the price you are actually paying. Or if there is the screen is impossible to see as so few have a roof and the sun makes the screen impossible to read. Chargeplace Scotland card is a must though for up there. I ordered one but it did not arrive in time and hence spent a lot of time on the phone to their help desks to get the charge working. In fact 2 of them seem to be still running as you have to ring them again to stop the session. As you could be in queue for 3mins waiting for them to answer the call I could not be bothered. I expect they will stop hem sometime. Good news is it was waiting for me when I got home !
Bonnet was quite good until they recently change their pricing structure. For travelling in Europe (available in many countries but not in UK - sorry) the best deal seem to be with Mobility+ (EnBW). You can also choose a subscription for just a month if you plan just to take a long trip.
in sweden Bonnet is below avrage of DC charging so Good price att Bonnet here in sweden unfrtuitly onlu ionity but there are Plenty of them in sothern to middle part of sweden.
I believe you can still pay for the ionity membership through the charge my Hyundai if you miss the 30th June deadline. It tells us we can with our kona ev
Joined Bonnet and have used it a couple of times. Not paid full price yet due to offer codes :). Works really well on Ionity, starting the charge quickly and simply. Yellow card for the unnecessary accent for Chargeplace Scotland!!! :P
Andrew, been using Bonnet for a while. Works well and occasionally get special deals (free charge, half price, etc) Was paying £15/month for 50 Kwh but they have just changed their pricing structure and it is now £9 for 20 Kwh or you can have 100 Kwh, I forget the price. You can also switch between the two "refill" options on a monthly basis. For me 100 Kwh is too much per month but as it rolls over I can probably work with that. 100 Kwh one month then 20 Kwh the next month. Fastned, Sandwich is served by them so give it a try.
To be fair, IONITY aren’t financed by fossil fuel money as far as I know! It’s just they have a deal with Shell to put them on the forecourts in some locations.
At 9:52 you say that with Bonnet, once your monthly fill up has been used you return to the more costly rate, but that is not what the website say. As far as I can see, the website says that once your refill is used up you continue to be charged at the rate of your refill.
Hello mate I need to know which one. It works in Italy since here in Italy, they all raise up the price and it’s not more convenient to use Italian RFID CARD They raise up all the price. So there is no alternative anymore in Italy
It pays to learn from your experience to hunt for electricity bargains! Right here in green and lush Costa Rica, the ICE and the tariff regulator -the monopolized electricity producer- have devised a means to overcharge 400% to those who had the audacity to install solar panels over their roofs and to use the grid as their “battery”. As a real battery is impossible to fathom in my beautiful country! So as per EV charging, it could be cheaper to use the grid at home at “reduced” tariffs or the electricity distributors’ stations to charge your EV’s!
I took the bonnet rate over your pre paid amount as being the same rate that you bought. So my £50 a month (as it was last week) locks me in at the 25p per kWh rate for any I used over the 200kWh. Of course, now it’s £80 and 40p per kWh. The text says ‘locked in rate’
Hi. Great video. I have an IONIQ 5 and I am travelling down to Italy at the end of the month. Do you think you will have your video out before then on your trip down to Italy?
I have a question, we drive in 3 week's to Scotland from Germany. Can I charge my electric car only with payweb from the homepage or app with my creditcard? Or I need a card to charge?
@@pcat1378 Unfortunately, yes. It's a ridiculous situation! I tend to use Octopus Electroverse as that's an RFID card (or app if you don't want extra plastic!) that works for most chargers across UK/Europe.
Strangely I turned up at the Ionity charger at the Cambridge Service station on the A14 last weekend. The Gridserve chagers were occupied, I still don’t understand why they have 2 charging cables but only one will work at a time, saying waiting for sufficient energy. Anyway I thought I would go over to the Ionity chargers thinking they were contactless and I don’t have an Ionity card. I plugged the Zoe in and it started charging straight away so I assume I wasn’t charged for 30kw I used.
They are sometimes on ‘free vend’ when they’re being a bit unreliable (it happens quite often!) As for Gridserve, they’re slowly enabling dual charging but it’s taking them much longer than anticipated. It’s caused so much confusion all this time.
If you are travelling around europe, and you have no clue what to expect. What cards you think need to be done to be on the safe side? (I'm getting my first EV few days before my trip, and super lost on networks and payment methods) Thanks a lot for the info and the video!!
It depends where you’re going in Europe, but Chargemap and Shell Recharge tend to cover most scenarios. I’d also recommend getting the Tesla app as their Superchargers (those open to non-Teslas) can be really good value.
I just got my IONIQ5 72kwh canceled by Hyundai. It was now replaced by the 77kwh M2023 model you announced a while ago. I wonder if that offer will continue with those models.
Love your channel just ordered my first ev it is a kia e niro 64kwh you have helped me. I have seen some home charges for 299 pounds on the web do you think they are any good for that price.keep up the good work.
Thank you and great choice with the e-Niro! Wonderful car. That charger seems cheap! It depends what the brand is. I’ve heard bad things about Rolec. Zappi and PodPoint are very good in my experience. Another option is to get a 32amp Commando socket installed and get an Ohme Commando charger for £299 new (if you’re an Octopus customer). ohme-ev.com/octopus-offer Nick Raimo (EV Nick on UA-cam) has reviewed loads of charge points so it’s worth watching his videos.
We've just driven to Italy and back in a standard range MG ZS using the bonnet app for payment and an electric juice rfid card as backup, that was all we needed/used. Only annoyance was I purchased a 200KW refil the day before they announced you couldn't use your refil abroad - it was still cheaper though, so can't complain too much.
@@MrEV Only in the UK @maidstone Ionity which was a surprise as we had zero problems through France using Ionity, a single fastned and a single Tesla. We even had some free charging in Courmayeur. The only thing I really missed was ZapMap comments to see if a charger was working ahead of using it, which is why I tried to stick to these networks which have a good reputation. I'd watched your previous videos first to give us confidence to do the trip, so thanks for that.
@@robturner724 It's worth looking at Plugshare as that has ratings. It's not always quite as up-to-date as Zap Map, but its CarPlay app is pretty good for finding chargers on the move. I'm so glad it went well for you!
Ionity here in France are to be avoided where possible. They charge by the minute, not by the kw/h. We pay €0.79/minute...which is very unfair if you have an older EV like our 2019 e-Niro which can only manage 75 kW charging speed from a low SOC and perfect temperatures. We only use Ionity for a very quick ‘make sure of getting home’ charging...last time was on our way back from Brittany, 5 minutes on an Ionity charger did the trick. Interesting that competitors are cropping up and charging by the kWh...how it should be, why should a car which charges more slowly have to pay more!!...You should only pay for the kWh you use, not how long you occupy the charger.
@@MrEV Thanks Andrew and good to hear from you. We were up in Carnac/Quiberon (Brittany) in early June to meet my daughter who was over from the UK. That’s a 750 km round trip for us and we did use Ionity for 5 minutes on the way back to make sure of getting home, it was still charging by the minute. Thanks for the info, good news in fact. Still plodding on with the e-Niro and loving it, though had to change the 12v battery yesterday (I have a 5 minute video on that coming up)....The Ioniq 5 looks great...Looking forward to seeing your video of the Italian trip.
Agree that per kWh charging should be the main charge. But equally don't mind seeing some form of a per minute charge to discourage cars (like yours) with a slow rate, or cars above 80% SOC, from hogging an ultra-fast (350kW) charger that could be better utilised charging a faster car at low SoC.
@@mark123655 I am already ‘discouraged’ from using Ionity as you saw from my posting, I try only to use if for 5 minutes to make sure of getting home. In the winter we did a 2,200 km round trip to Frankfurt from our home in France and most of the charging stops were Ionity, we had no choice. Each stop was for about 30 to 40 minutes and never went above 80% but do you really think I was ‘hogging’ the charger?
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 All about pricing incentives and what else is available in the area to ensure the maximum usage of a scarce resource (charging station) for all EV drivers. If there were cheaper 100kW chargers nearby, but you'd plugged into a 350kW station ahead of a couple of Taycans I think they be a little upset. Similar to why Tesla has idle fees on its stations when they are 50 or 100% full, and more recently setting suggested max of 80% SOC at busy chargers.
Thank my God I still drive an ICE car, as aren't we paying out enough with higher electric cost and now EV drivers have to pay out higher costs to refill their batteries - Madness!!
Just back from a two week holiday in Cornwall. Drove down from London, there and back. Total holiday electric cost in my Model 3, £27.40. Thank God I'm driving an EV . . .
If you're still driving an ICE car, you're being subsidised by the EV drivers, but you're STILL paying indirectly for the grid energy used to refine your fossil fuel. (Just btw, that amount of grid energy moves an EV the same distance as the fuel moves your car..... Without refining or *burning* the fuel)
I’m getting an EV in September and I’ve been looking at everywhere I go for charges so I can plan future trips with the knowledge of where charges are. I’m finding a lot in places I didn’t realise but they are not in Zap map or plug share? What’s the best way around this when going somewhere new?
That's interesting you've found so many absent from Zap Map and Plugshare. I'd be a little wary about using those chargers you've found actually! All the major charge networks add their chargers to Zap Map automatically once they're turned on and working correctly. I do tend to rely on Zap Map when I'm in the UK. Specifically, I filter chargers of just Instavolt, Osprey, and MFG as they're all the most reliable. Anything else I'd consider a plan B.
No - the Charge myHyundai RFID card (and app) is free to use. The monthly fee is just if you want cheap IONITY. They have a cheap BP plan as well, but that’s best avoided!
Do Ionity still take £70-ish out of your card if you use contactless (which they refund weeks later)? There were stories of failed charging so every time you retried it took £70 everytime off your card.
They've never accepted contactless payments as far as I'm aware? Not in the UK anyway. That said, someone tweeted me yesterday to say they got one working with their bank card but I think they're just testing it. Someone from IONITY was added to the Twitter thread and had no idea about it!
@@MrEV Seems like they have changed it, according to their website they now only pre-authorise with £1. Just wish i could remember where I read about it being a high pre-authorise, maybe the person reporting it misundestood what they were doing and reported it incorrectly.
That was always my concern (particularly if using a debit card).. We are well behind this in Australia with only a handful of machines accepting contactless.. but most seem to pre-auth A$30.. And some people have ended up with multiple pre-auths from a few failed starts - so I actually prefer the account system. Thankfully we've only got two major networks (Chargefox and Evie) though a few more starting to grow.
@@MrEV is it true that in France Belgium Holland and Germany that the Lidl ev charging is free, I use our local Lidl charger regularly as it’s 0.28 and it’s quite quick. Cheers for the reply Alex
@@MrEV I could not afford the Hyundai so I had to settle for the ID 4 (£31000) mine does 165 on a full charge. I am just about to watch your trip to Italy
That’s a great question. Chargepoint (which doesn’t work with many chargers) is the only one that appears in my Apple wallet but perhaps others can as well and I’ve not noticed in their respective apps?
whilst I agree IONITY is very expensive, you have to look at your travel costs as an average, if you are charging mostly at home, even with the latest rates, then the average cost of using IONITY as part of you annual mileage, brings the cost down dramatically, even more so if you are on the Octopus energy Go tariff
28p/kW gives me 4 miles and is the cost for me if I charge at home. With diesel costs as they are at the moment you'd be having to get 120 mpg to match that.
@@richardcorns8553 We’ve just been moved to EDF’s SVR and I’ve crunched the numbers for all our annual electricity usage including charging our 2 BEVs against Octopus Go’s rates, we’d only save around £3 per month if solely charging during the 4 hours window. Not worth it for us and we can charge anytime presently. It’s definitely worth checking the figures as the cheap window can give a false impression. This is our situation, I do appreciate it may be different for others.
No good me buying an EV as you showed only about SIX charging points across the whole of an EU country - Poland unless of course there are other s like Teslar
I am really becominig a convert to EVs but boy do I feel that you can be ripped off at every single step (I do not have the option of home charging as I live in a city)
@@MrEVThere is but its in a ridiculous place (as you mention in one of your videos) I can charge at work which I believe is very cheap (30p pkWh) but restricted to 22kw Now I've seen the new Renault 5 I might just have to wait!
@@pcat1378 You're so fortunate to have workplace charging! 30p/kWh isn't bad at all. You'd easily fully recharge the Renault 5 (lovely car!) over a few hours of being plugged-in at work.
@@constructioneerful check the service records, gear drive units expired at around 35,000 miles due to side thrust on output bearings, totally solved by Tesla with warranty replacements and most batteries were replaced by 75,000 due to cooling failures (mine was spotted by Freemont at 2am US time who organised complete new battery in 2 days FOC!). Find a Model S with both done and you never need an extended warranty as replacements go 100,000s of miles......customer service wow!
Bonnet get funny if you advertise your code. I got stopped.. When it first launched it was cheap and good value I think it will struggle now. Just to have an account ticking over at £9 a month is still too much especially if you don't use it often and will it still be around if you build up credit? So many energy companies have folded and that's all this is really..
I could do a whole video just on this! Personally, I can separate the CEO from the brand. Teslas are amazing cars and what they've achieved is extraordinary. Musk is a loose cannon and, as a shareholder, I'd actually rather he wasn't CEO. That said, they would arguably become a more boring company without him. (As Apple have after Jobs' death). The problem I have with Tesla are the rabid Musk fans/apologists who jump to his defence and those that criticise anyone who dares buy another brand. Again, very much like Apple zealots back in the day. The cult-like nature is what puts a lot of people off I think.
@@MrEV bingo ! As an owner I’m embarrassed with the association and wonder if the get rich quick shareholders know what a great job he is doing for the legacy manufacturers and THEIR customer base continued loyalty.
Just ask "Why is Tesla where it is today?" Then "Would Tesla continue its rapid advance if he was ousted?" (Imo, the answer to both is an emphatic "No") . Nothing else is of consequence
@@rogerstarkey5390 Musk brought the finance and has spent his time running down those early founders and engineers who represent a challenge to his sense of self importance.
Just ask "Why is Tesla where it is today?" Then "Would Tesla continue its rapid advance if he was ousted?" (Imo, the answer to both is an emphatic "No") . Nothing else is of consequence . Edit Just ask "Why is Tesla where it is today?" Then "Would Tesla continue its rapid advance if he was ousted?" (Imo, the answer to both is an emphatic "No") . Nothing else is of consequence. As for "cult like nature"...(🙄) . That's largely a myth perpetrated by what I see as the "anti -cult". If you fell (fall) for the 12+ years of fearmongering..... I can't help. . I do get weary at the suggestion that "I" may be a "rabid fan/ apologist" (etc). Personally, I see myself as an "EV advocate" who recognised the reason we're even having the conversation. . As for "the man"..... As far as I see, there was, and is nobody with the complete skillset to have achieved and continue pushing the transition. (Insert alternatives here?) .
If you fancy trying refills with Bonnet, my referral code is RB3WX8 - there's £15 off a refill payment for both of us if you do. Thanks!
Used Bonnet on a recent trip through Normandy with our Ioniq5. Worked perfectly with Ionity chargers and we locked into the 200kW refill before recent price increase. Ordered my Hyundai RFID card earlier today, good to know that it works well. Thanks Andrew
Perfect timing. Took delivery today. Thank you.
Happy to help. Enjoy it!
You have just saved my bacon! Got my Ioniq 1 month ago and Hyundai didnt tell me about this! I knew ionity membership for a year was included but was waitin gon something through the post. So just snuck in there. Brucey bonus is that as of 3 weeks ago (unknown to me!) there is an ionity charging station 1 mile from my house! Wow happy days. Thanks for the nudge!
Great to hear!
Thanks Andrew. Best regards Martin
Andrew, you are a gem! With reference to your tip on Ionity, having taken delivery of my Ultimate in May, I initiated the MyHyundai contract in June and you alone informed me of the benefit of my year long contract (I bought it from Eden Motors Basingstoke whose sales performance was poor with, for example, no offered advice on this benefit). My last few trips now have been arranged around recharging with Ionity using the MyHyundai card and, yes, the 25p/KW has been applied. I now am planning a European trip (why not, I'm retired!) and will continue to benefit from this contract!
I have one unknown from using the superfast charger I have experienced if anyone can help with advice (and each time I have used them, my charging time has been at or close to the 18 mins 10-80%). My usual economy is 3.8miles/kWh. Setting off immediately after charging, this drops to 2.2 or so and never fully recovers for the rest of that journey! Is that to be expected?
I've been using Bonnet on my recent vacation week in Belgium, and it's great, and even without the refills, not very expensive either. It's not a monthly invoice, every charging session is billed separately and charged to your credit card.
Thank you for brightening up my early morning treadmill walk before work. If you want hot and cold, move to Madeira. Flavian can spend time in the hills and you can be at sea level. Many EV charging points and almost all power from renewables, mostly hydro-electric.
Madeira looks beautiful. I’ve not been but my parents loved it when they visited. Good exercise with all the hills too!
yes i did it yesterday and you can in theory delay the start of the contract... i registered yesterday and put the contract start date for july 23rd.
There is still free charging where I live in catalunya, but will use the ionity when travelling to france and UK at the end of July
Thanks for the vid Andrew, just registered My Hyundai, completely forgot about it, thanks for the prompt, 1000 mile now in the Ioniq 5 and it just works perfectly.
Great to hear!
Super advice, thank you 👍
Andrew I use Bonnet with my I-pace. Currently I pay £9 for a monthly refill 0r 20kWh (£0.45 per kwh). Once my prepaid credit has been used they continue to charge any surplus at my current refill rate per kWh. Not as you stated the PAYG rate.
If I do not use all of my prepaid refill in any month, the balance is not lost but simply carried forward to the next month.
Thanks so much for clarifying.
Thank you for this, i was going to France and facing e0.79kwh with Ionity, but now it will be e0.41 and it gets better as paying with GooglePay linked to my Chase bank card (which does free interbank exchange conversions), it will only cost at the current exchange rate of £0.35 per kwh - like the good old days. Cheaper than the Tesla Supercharger...win win
That’s fantastic!
The VIN Number is on the bluelink app under User Settings -> Subscription information. I did it 5 days ago and got my card through the post yesterday. 0.49 euros abroad which is still cheap.
Thank you 😊 mate just got it in time
Well done.
OH NO !!!
Only just watched this. I've had my ultimate since February but only ever charged at home. Now planning a road trip but wasn't aware of the 30th June deadline. I've mailed Hyundai to see whether they will extend the free offer and waiting for a response, but there's no mention of it when you go on their site looking to buy an Ioniq 5.
£11.25 x 12 months = £135. That's the cost of not not clicking the bell icon and watching these videos the day of release.
Thanks for another really informative video Andrew - I just wish you had uploaded it a week earlier. 😢
Apparently they’ve extended it according to a Hyundai dealer I spoke to yesterday. Worth a try?
Used bonnet three times in the last few days. It’s working fine so far. I’ve noticed Ionity chargers are getting busy at peak hours. Be prepared!
Bonnet is excellent - you regularly get rewards in the form of free charge sessions or reduced rates in return for simple surveys and such. I think you can register a used IONIQ5 on the Charge My Hyundai to get the free IONITY premium for 12 months as long as that car hasn’t been registered before.
If you have any Hyundai EV you can pay for a years subscription to Ionity through the Charge My Hyundai RFID. This cost's £11.25 per month for 12 months which is cheaper that the 17.99 Euro direct through Ionity Passport. It also brings the price per kwh down to the 25p. I guess it can depend on exchange rate but currently both monthly and per kwh are cheaper via Charge My Hyundai.
Great tip, thanks!
Helpful information! Thx! I used IONITY just ones and it was for free to my surprise. Don’t ask me how but it started charging just by itself. Never heard of Bonnet but will have a look at it. Here in The Netherlands I only charge (if needed with the company car) at Fastned because they are the most recognizable party along our highway’s and they have auto-charging. It’s plug and charge and ending the session via the app. Works just fine. At home charging is still the cheapest but only by half a eurocent to the public charger down the street.
I had this happen too at a charger where I THINK the cable cooling wasn't working. It was charging at reduced speeds, so I wonder whether if the charger knows it can't operate at usual speeds, it vends for free rather than taking the entire unit out of service.
I use Bonnet with Fastned and especially Osprey which is now £1/kWh!!! 50p with Bonnet.
I wonder how long that’ll last!
I have a Volvo card that is supposed to do the same thing at Ionity. On a long trip first stop I got charged full price; however next stop charge was free so have not had an argument with them. I am surprised that on most chargers there is nothing to show the price you are actually paying. Or if there is the screen is impossible to see as so few have a roof and the sun makes the screen impossible to read.
Chargeplace Scotland card is a must though for up there. I ordered one but it did not arrive in time and hence spent a lot of time on the phone to their help desks to get the charge working. In fact 2 of them seem to be still running as you have to ring them again to stop the session. As you could be in queue for 3mins waiting for them to answer the call I could not be bothered. I expect they will stop hem sometime. Good news is it was waiting for me when I got home !
Bonnet was quite good until they recently change their pricing structure. For travelling in Europe (available in many countries but not in UK - sorry) the best deal seem to be with Mobility+ (EnBW). You can also choose a subscription for just a month if you plan just to take a long trip.
in sweden Bonnet is below avrage of DC charging so Good price att Bonnet here in sweden unfrtuitly onlu ionity but there are Plenty of them in sothern to middle part of sweden.
I believe you can still pay for the ionity membership through the charge my Hyundai if you miss the 30th June deadline. It tells us we can with our kona ev
Joined Bonnet and have used it a couple of times. Not paid full price yet due to offer codes :). Works really well on Ionity, starting the charge quickly and simply. Yellow card for the unnecessary accent for Chargeplace Scotland!!! :P
I know, I know - it won’t happen again!
@@MrEV you're forgiven, this once 😀
Andrew, been using Bonnet for a while. Works well and occasionally get special deals (free charge, half price, etc) Was paying £15/month for 50 Kwh but they have just changed their pricing structure and it is now £9 for 20 Kwh or you can have 100 Kwh, I forget the price. You can also switch between the two "refill" options on a monthly basis. For me 100 Kwh is too much per month but as it rolls over I can probably work with that. 100 Kwh one month then 20 Kwh the next month. Fastned, Sandwich is served by them so give it a try.
I switched on my self destruct blocker on my pc.
I saw the “Shell” logo on the Ionity charging unit. Imagine, an oil company, charging such outrageous rates for electricity to “fuel” EVs! ;-)
To be fair, IONITY aren’t financed by fossil fuel money as far as I know! It’s just they have a deal with Shell to put them on the forecourts in some locations.
At 9:52 you say that with Bonnet, once your monthly fill up has been used you return to the more costly rate, but that is not what the website say. As far as I can see, the website says that once your refill is used up you continue to be charged at the rate of your refill.
Hello mate I need to know which one. It works in Italy since here in Italy, they all raise up the price and it’s not more convenient to use Italian RFID CARD They raise up all the price.
So there is no alternative anymore in Italy
It pays to learn from your experience to hunt for electricity bargains!
Right here in green and lush Costa Rica, the ICE and the tariff regulator -the monopolized electricity producer- have devised a means to overcharge 400% to those who had the audacity to install solar panels over their roofs and to use the grid as their “battery”. As a real battery is impossible to fathom in my beautiful country!
So as per EV charging, it could be cheaper to use the grid at home at “reduced” tariffs or the electricity distributors’ stations to charge your EV’s!
That’s madness! A similar situation in South Africa I believe. My friend in Cape Town was moaning about the “solar panel tax”.
When you will come in Italy, if you stop near Bergamo, I can show you my IONIQ5 :-)
I took the bonnet rate over your pre paid amount as being the same rate that you bought. So my £50 a month (as it was last week) locks me in at the 25p per kWh rate for any I used over the 200kWh.
Of course, now it’s £80 and 40p per kWh.
The text says ‘locked in rate’
Hi. Great video. I have an IONIQ 5 and I am travelling down to Italy at the end of the month. Do you think you will have your video out before then on your trip down to Italy?
Yes! This weekend.
I have a question, we drive in 3 week's to Scotland from Germany.
Can I charge my electric car only with payweb from the homepage or app with my creditcard?
Or I need a card to charge?
This link should work for you (assuming you have mobile signal!)
webpay.chargeplacescotland.org
Nice !!
Nothing speaks saving the earth than having to have a ton of different plastic cards to charge an EV.
Most chargers (in the UK at least) work with normal bank cards thankfully.
@@MrEV Thank you
But does that then means you pay a higher price??
@@pcat1378 Unfortunately, yes. It's a ridiculous situation! I tend to use Octopus Electroverse as that's an RFID card (or app if you don't want extra plastic!) that works for most chargers across UK/Europe.
Strangely I turned up at the Ionity charger at the Cambridge Service station on the A14 last weekend. The Gridserve chagers were occupied, I still don’t understand why they have 2 charging cables but only one will work at a time, saying waiting for sufficient energy. Anyway I thought I would go over to the Ionity chargers thinking they were contactless and I don’t have an Ionity card. I plugged the Zoe in and it started charging straight away so I assume I wasn’t charged for 30kw I used.
They are sometimes on ‘free vend’ when they’re being a bit unreliable (it happens quite often!)
As for Gridserve, they’re slowly enabling dual charging but it’s taking them much longer than anticipated. It’s caused so much confusion all this time.
If you are travelling around europe, and you have no clue what to expect. What cards you think need to be done to be on the safe side? (I'm getting my first EV few days before my trip, and super lost on networks and payment methods) Thanks a lot for the info and the video!!
It depends where you’re going in Europe, but Chargemap and Shell Recharge tend to cover most scenarios.
I’d also recommend getting the Tesla app as their Superchargers (those open to non-Teslas) can be really good value.
I just got my IONIQ5 72kwh canceled by Hyundai. It was now replaced by the 77kwh M2023 model you announced a while ago. I wonder if that offer will continue with those models.
I heard today from a Hyundai dealer that they should be extending the offer.
@@MrEV Thanks much for the info ! Delivery scheduled for October.
Love your channel just ordered my first ev it is
a kia e niro 64kwh you have helped me.
I have seen some home
charges for 299 pounds
on the web do you think
they are any good for that price.keep up the good work.
Thank you and great choice with the e-Niro! Wonderful car.
That charger seems cheap! It depends what the brand is. I’ve heard bad things about Rolec. Zappi and PodPoint are very good in my experience.
Another option is to get a 32amp Commando socket installed and get an Ohme Commando charger for £299 new (if you’re an Octopus customer).
ohme-ev.com/octopus-offer
Nick Raimo (EV Nick on UA-cam) has reviewed loads of charge points so it’s worth watching his videos.
Unfortunality is not avaible in Portugal
It's a shame it's taken them almost 13 years to get close to sorting out ISO15118 (ish)
We've just driven to Italy and back in a standard range MG ZS using the bonnet app for payment and an electric juice rfid card as backup, that was all we needed/used. Only annoyance was I purchased a 200KW refil the day before they announced you couldn't use your refil abroad - it was still cheaper though, so can't complain too much.
Oh wow - that's an amazing distance! Did you have any issues at all with chargers?
@@MrEV Only in the UK @maidstone Ionity which was a surprise as we had zero problems through France using Ionity, a single fastned and a single Tesla. We even had some free charging in Courmayeur. The only thing I really missed was ZapMap comments to see if a charger was working ahead of using it, which is why I tried to stick to these networks which have a good reputation. I'd watched your previous videos first to give us confidence to do the trip, so thanks for that.
@@robturner724 It's worth looking at Plugshare as that has ratings. It's not always quite as up-to-date as Zap Map, but its CarPlay app is pretty good for finding chargers on the move.
I'm so glad it went well for you!
Ridiculous, we can’t get this in the Republic of Ireland ..
Ionity here in France are to be avoided where possible. They charge by the minute, not by the kw/h. We pay €0.79/minute...which is very unfair if you have an older EV like our 2019 e-Niro which can only manage 75 kW charging speed from a low SOC and perfect temperatures. We only use Ionity for a very quick ‘make sure of getting home’ charging...last time was on our way back from Brittany, 5 minutes on an Ionity charger did the trick. Interesting that competitors are cropping up and charging by the kWh...how it should be, why should a car which charges more slowly have to pay more!!...You should only pay for the kWh you use, not how long you occupy the charger.
It was great in my IONIQ 5! 😀 I believe they’ve literally just changed to charging per kWh in France though.
@@MrEV Thanks Andrew and good to hear from you. We were up in Carnac/Quiberon (Brittany) in early June to meet my daughter who was over from the UK. That’s a 750 km round trip for us and we did use Ionity for 5 minutes on the way back to make sure of getting home, it was still charging by the minute. Thanks for the info, good news in fact. Still plodding on with the e-Niro and loving it, though had to change the 12v battery yesterday (I have a 5 minute video on that coming up)....The Ioniq 5 looks great...Looking forward to seeing your video of the Italian trip.
Agree that per kWh charging should be the main charge.
But equally don't mind seeing some form of a per minute charge to discourage cars (like yours) with a slow rate, or cars above 80% SOC, from hogging an ultra-fast (350kW) charger that could be better utilised charging a faster car at low SoC.
@@mark123655 I am already ‘discouraged’ from using Ionity as you saw from my posting, I try only to use if for 5 minutes to make sure of getting home. In the winter we did a 2,200 km round trip to Frankfurt from our home in France and most of the charging stops were Ionity, we had no choice. Each stop was for about 30 to 40 minutes and never went above 80% but do you really think I was ‘hogging’ the charger?
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 All about pricing incentives and what else is available in the area to ensure the maximum usage of a scarce resource (charging station) for all EV drivers. If there were cheaper 100kW chargers nearby, but you'd plugged into a 350kW station ahead of a couple of Taycans I think they be a little upset.
Similar to why Tesla has idle fees on its stations when they are 50 or 100% full, and more recently setting suggested max of 80% SOC at busy chargers.
Hyundai only though ?
New prices at IONITY
Thank my God I still drive an ICE car, as aren't we paying out enough with higher electric cost and now EV drivers have to pay out higher costs to refill their batteries - Madness!!
EVs are still great for people able to charge at home. It only costs me about 1.5p per mile.
Just back from a two week holiday in Cornwall. Drove down from London, there and back. Total holiday electric cost in my Model 3, £27.40. Thank God I'm driving an EV . . .
If you're still driving an ICE car, you're being subsidised by the EV drivers, but you're STILL paying indirectly for the grid energy used to refine your fossil fuel.
(Just btw, that amount of grid energy moves an EV the same distance as the fuel moves your car..... Without refining or *burning* the fuel)
I’m getting an EV in September and I’ve been looking at everywhere I go for charges so I can plan future trips with the knowledge of where charges are. I’m finding a lot in places I didn’t realise but they are not in Zap map or plug share? What’s the best way around this when going somewhere new?
That's interesting you've found so many absent from Zap Map and Plugshare. I'd be a little wary about using those chargers you've found actually! All the major charge networks add their chargers to Zap Map automatically once they're turned on and working correctly.
I do tend to rely on Zap Map when I'm in the UK. Specifically, I filter chargers of just Instavolt, Osprey, and MFG as they're all the most reliable. Anything else I'd consider a plan B.
To get my head round it, is there a monthly fee for Hyundai charge my car after the first year? (With a new Ioniq5)?
No - the Charge myHyundai RFID card (and app) is free to use. The monthly fee is just if you want cheap IONITY. They have a cheap BP plan as well, but that’s best avoided!
Is the Hyundia card the same as the kia card
Pretty much, yes. I imagine Kia must have their own IONITY plan.
Do Ionity still take £70-ish out of your card if you use contactless (which they refund weeks later)? There were stories of failed charging so every time you retried it took £70 everytime off your card.
They've never accepted contactless payments as far as I'm aware? Not in the UK anyway. That said, someone tweeted me yesterday to say they got one working with their bank card but I think they're just testing it. Someone from IONITY was added to the Twitter thread and had no idea about it!
@@MrEV Seems like they have changed it, according to their website they now only pre-authorise with £1. Just wish i could remember where I read about it being a high pre-authorise, maybe the person reporting it misundestood what they were doing and reported it incorrectly.
That was always my concern (particularly if using a debit card)..
We are well behind this in Australia with only a handful of machines accepting contactless.. but most seem to pre-auth A$30..
And some people have ended up with multiple pre-auths from a few failed starts - so I actually prefer the account system.
Thankfully we've only got two major networks (Chargefox and Evie) though a few more starting to grow.
You don’t get a card for bonnet I just joined after watching your video, I am off to France and I believe they have a lot of ionity, have a nice day
I hope your journey goes okay. I’ve seen reports of queues at IONITY! 😬
@@MrEV is it true that in France Belgium Holland and Germany that the Lidl ev charging is free, I use our local Lidl charger regularly as it’s 0.28 and it’s quite quick. Cheers for the reply Alex
@@cityblue0202 Apparently so. I suppose the biggest issue is finding an available one! Also, they're just open Monday to Saturday, 9am - 7pm.
@@MrEV I could not afford the Hyundai so I had to settle for the ID 4 (£31000) mine does 165 on a full charge. I am just about to watch your trip to Italy
Unfortunately not available in Belgium
I meant the Hyundai deal, not IONITY obviously ;-)
Can you get any of these on your apple wallet?
That’s a great question. Chargepoint (which doesn’t work with many chargers) is the only one that appears in my Apple wallet but perhaps others can as well and I’ve not noticed in their respective apps?
whilst I agree IONITY is very expensive, you have to look at your travel costs as an average, if you are charging mostly at home, even with the latest rates, then the average cost of using IONITY as part of you annual mileage, brings the cost down dramatically, even more so if you are on the Octopus energy Go tariff
Phone app and NFC? ;)
not in Iceland :-(
Isn't 25p per kWh more expensive than ICE fuel cost? What am I missing here?
28p/kW gives me 4 miles and is the cost for me if I charge at home. With diesel costs as they are at the moment you'd be having to get 120 mpg to match that.
@@weymouthjohn Get octopus go and it will cost you 7.5p per kWh to charge between 12.30 to 4.30 pm.
@@richardcorns8553 Love to, but locked in for a while yet
@@richardcorns8553 We’ve just been moved to EDF’s SVR and I’ve crunched the numbers for all our annual electricity usage including charging our 2 BEVs against Octopus Go’s rates, we’d only save around £3 per month if solely charging during the 4 hours window. Not worth it for us and we can charge anytime presently. It’s definitely worth checking the figures as the cheap window can give a false impression. This is our situation, I do appreciate it may be different for others.
If Europe continues to refuse Russian gas and oil we will pay over 50c for electricity at home and 69c for Ionity will seem cheap
And the gas and oil price will go which way if that happens?
Should be a reminder to Government to ramp the green energy?
Quite sucks, that after such a long trip they run first to the dog….
I’m used to it now!
Could you post a referral code for Bonnet?
My referral code is RB3WX8 - thanks!
No good me buying an EV as you showed only about SIX charging points across the whole of an EU country - Poland unless of course there are other s like Teslar
Great Scotish accent lol
I am really becominig a convert to EVs but boy do I feel that you can be ripped off at every single step (I do not have the option of home charging as I live in a city)
Do you have a Tesla Supercharger near you? They tend to be the cheapest option, and many are open to all EVs.
@@MrEVThere is but its in a ridiculous place (as you mention in one of your videos)
I can charge at work which I believe is very cheap (30p pkWh) but restricted to 22kw
Now I've seen the new Renault 5 I might just have to wait!
@@pcat1378 You're so fortunate to have workplace charging! 30p/kWh isn't bad at all. You'd easily fully recharge the Renault 5 (lovely car!) over a few hours of being plugged-in at work.
@@MrEV Its provided by a company called Fuuse apparently
And thank you for replying on a year old video!!
Drive an early Tesla 2014 Model S P85 charging is FREE for life of the car on Tesla Superchargers.......beat that
Been looking at one - Is there any way to get a battery and drive train warranty from anywhere for an older Tesla?
@@constructioneerful check the service records, gear drive units expired at around 35,000 miles due to side thrust on output bearings, totally solved by Tesla with warranty replacements and most batteries were replaced by 75,000 due to cooling failures (mine was spotted by Freemont at 2am US time who organised complete new battery in 2 days FOC!). Find a Model S with both done and you never need an extended warranty as replacements go 100,000s of miles......customer service wow!
Apps not a good idea, cards much better , credit card , debt card the best
See above.. not with pre-auths, particularly when a charger fails to work and you have multiple entries on your card that can take weeks to resolve.
Bonnet get funny if you advertise your code. I got stopped..
When it first launched it was cheap and good value I think it will struggle now. Just to have an account ticking over at £9 a month is still too much especially if you don't use it often and will it still be around if you build up credit? So many energy companies have folded and that's all this is really..
Not to mention if you don't use a referral code you get 1st charge free which is generally a lot more than the £15 !!!
Andrew - just as a matter of interest……..does Elon Musk’s behaviour turn you off the brand ?
I could do a whole video just on this! Personally, I can separate the CEO from the brand. Teslas are amazing cars and what they've achieved is extraordinary. Musk is a loose cannon and, as a shareholder, I'd actually rather he wasn't CEO. That said, they would arguably become a more boring company without him. (As Apple have after Jobs' death).
The problem I have with Tesla are the rabid Musk fans/apologists who jump to his defence and those that criticise anyone who dares buy another brand.
Again, very much like Apple zealots back in the day. The cult-like nature is what puts a lot of people off I think.
@@MrEV bingo ! As an owner I’m embarrassed with the association and wonder if the get rich quick shareholders know what a great job he is doing for the legacy manufacturers and THEIR customer base continued loyalty.
Just ask "Why is Tesla where it is today?"
Then
"Would Tesla continue its rapid advance if he was ousted?"
(Imo, the answer to both is an emphatic "No")
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Nothing else is of consequence
@@rogerstarkey5390 Musk brought the finance and has spent his time running down those early founders and engineers who represent a challenge to his sense of self importance.
Just ask "Why is Tesla where it is today?"
Then
"Would Tesla continue its rapid advance if he was ousted?"
(Imo, the answer to both is an emphatic "No")
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Nothing else is of consequence
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Edit
Just ask "Why is Tesla where it is today?"
Then
"Would Tesla continue its rapid advance if he was ousted?"
(Imo, the answer to both is an emphatic "No")
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Nothing else is of consequence.
As for "cult like nature"...(🙄)
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That's largely a myth perpetrated by what I see as the "anti -cult".
If you fell (fall) for the 12+ years of fearmongering..... I can't help.
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I do get weary at the suggestion that "I" may be a "rabid fan/ apologist" (etc).
Personally, I see myself as an "EV advocate" who recognised the reason we're even having the conversation.
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As for "the man".....
As far as I see, there was, and is nobody with the complete skillset to have achieved and continue pushing the transition.
(Insert alternatives here?)
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𝓹𝓻𝓸𝓶𝓸𝓼𝓶 😆
Involuntary Scottish accent!
I cannae stop myself!