Ok just got to the end… magnificent video. Loads of pee, charging, tolls, baby, traffic jams, rerouting of maps and working out what was happening with charging… I honestly couldn’t look away. And the best part was to arrive, with no glass of wine waiting, only to be completely ignored by both if your girls for the excitement of seeing your dog… perfectly sums up long haul car trips, marriage and parenthood in one jam packed video. I honestly can’t wait for the return trip with everyone in tow… the little preview at the end has me on the edge of my seat with excitement. I will be watching with a glass of wine. Keep up the fantastic work you incredibly brave and honest man.
@@MrEV It’s a pleasure to pay credit where it’s due! What a marathon - but I enjoyed every moment. The bonus of your content - besides being very knowledgeable, honest, real and gritty - is that your beautiful country is in the background. My wife and I met in the UK and the memories of living there peak through from time to time. I’m living my dream of owning an EV through your adventures so please keep up your brilliant work!
A great tip I learned with the Kia EV6 (basically the same car in regards to charging) put it into sport mode 10 minutes before charging. This will warm up the battery to allow faster charging! Works like a charm, I always get like 240kW using that trick.
@@bdeithrick it kinda does, if you have a cold battery sport mode warms it up so it is in optimal driving conditions (needs warm battery to withdraw a higher current)
@@flowntn1989 Thanks so much. Much of it this time was just an iPhone 13 Pro actually (I got it specifically for this trip). I just use the fancy Canon for in-car shots.
Not sure why this is so much more compelling viewing than an ICE journey, but it is. Who would watch over an hour of somebody filling up with diesel ? :-) Lots of useful info, thanks, including the fact that post-Brexit dog travel may be more of a hassle than the entire charging process!
@@someoneelse7629 At $6 a gallon and god knows how much pollution generated. My PHEV costs me less than 9 cents a mile (and that’s more than a straight electric vehicle).
I took mine from Barcelona, Spain to Gloucestershire UK and back. After 4,500 kms, no problem with charging, I can say the I5 is THE most comfortable drive, I’m still besotted with it 😍
I love these videos of yours! They’re so comprehensive, long, calm and relaxed and exactly show case what I need. A road trip with an electric car using electric infrastructure. Thank you! I can’t wait for the other parts.
This is brilliant! Informative and funny! I’m still waiting for my Ioniq 5 to be delivered in about 7 weeks. This may be just before my summer trip through Europe, but your video definitely shows it’s very doable in an EV.
Just got to the Eurotunnel part so far, but have to admire your calmness in face of events up to now. If it were me, they’d have been treated to the content of my blood vessels…and er, vernacular.
Italian here, I don't have a telepass because it's paid for. I hate paying for motorways because they're ridiculously expensive, so I avoid them like the plague. If the choice is taking 1 hour via motorway and pay 17€ for 100km (A4 Torino-Milano) or 90 minutes with a free state road, I'll choose the latter every single time. The telepass thingy costs 30€ a year and it's not worth it when 99% of the time going through the Viacard lane only takes me an extra 5 seconds and I only do it like once or twice a month.
Can’t wait for part 2! Watching you repeat that trip makes me think how much bravery you have. Especially repeating it with the whole family on the way back. Love your work!
Once again, I'm in an EV with Andrew while he problem-solves his way from England to Italy. Bottom line, for me: Amazing how much sustained mental agility & software mining is required to simply drive a substantial distance while in a (best available) EV. I would (mostly) enjoy the challenge...but for most drivers, I'm doubtful this would feel like anything other than 'work'. Thanks, Andrew...and on to Part Due
To be honest it aint that difficult. I like to use abrp or checking ionity locations. But if i want the car navigation does all that for me anyway, this is in a volkswagen id.3. But it aint as smart as abrp cause ig prefer 80% charges abrp does adjust to the next stop.
Don't forget the Ioniq5 drives itself, takes some of the stress out of the drive. Having said that I would have been in panic mode when the poor doggie got rejected
20 minutes in and I'm wondering why am I watching this and then it comes to me, this is just like the adventure of going on holiday. I just wish I could be as calm as you when I'm adventuring! Saved me a whole heap of cash, I've been to Italy and didn't even need to stop for a dodgy coffee. Thanks.
It should have done that automatically in theory - that was the whole point of the OBD device. It’s not obvious from the CarPlay interface where it’s sending you. (Unless they’ve updated it since then!)
I found abrp did that to me too, picking prefer ionity,fastned and Tesla still had me stopping every 80 to 105 miles( in a much shorter range car though) great video, thanks for posting. I recognise a lot of the French ionity chargers you used now 😁
I remember from the last Italy road trip you were conservative on your charging stops too. Maybe just looking at available rapid chargers every 200 miles or so may be a faster way to travel across Europe.
Impressive speed of charge, but charging up at 45% is almost criminal. You need your navigation to skip a charger and go to the next so you can arrive at 10% (±5%) . It really makes me value the Tesla navigation nearly as much as the superchargers. All in all I think I would love your car, but there is no way my wife would put up with it, and as we are a single car family I think we will have to stick with an our old model X for a while longer yet.
@@MrEV Better safe than sorry. There could be a power outage at one HPC site. Especially in foreign countries it's good to have some juice left to reach the next HPC site.
Thanks Andrew. Having just returned to the UK yesterday from a road trip to Italy, Switzerland and Germany in my ID.3 your charging and route planning experiences were reassuringly similar using mostly Ionity and a couple of Tesla superchargers. Looking forward to your next video. My own experience suggests I was too cautious with range projections and I’ll be using Eurotunnel instead of the ferry next time. Safe travels. T
i have the Kia E Niro 2020 model and exchanged it for a combustion engine Mercedes C class estate 2022 model for a summer holiday from nothern Europe to Italy. It reminded me how much extra thinking goes in to planning chargers and waiting at every stop. I really enjoyed the freedom of a combustion engine and the trust that there is always a place to fuel up nearby
@@MrEV i know a lot of people go too fast in italy, 20km/h more than the speed limit is good but some driver are crazy. The only problem is the wheel of fortune sound, i will bring it to the dealer maybe electric motor replacement 🫣
I really enjoyed this adventure, however, whilst I have a 6 hour bladder duration and a 750 mile tank range, I think I will hang on to my 530d (for now). Also, you're dog is amazingly calm, I would have hated this with our excitable 100lb German shepherd jumping about with FOMO to see where the heck we are going!
You have no idea how many people claim they have mega bladder, but in fact, they don't:) I'm not saying this to offend you nor I'm denying your ability to drive 6 hours straight. What I meant is that many people complain about the range, and in reality its not the range they are afraid of. It's the idea of powerbank driving you around. And problem with all governments is, the longer people resist electric cars, the more they pay (in taxes) to people that have them. Tax credits, incentives, vat reduction etc. And I do have ev and ice. Driving ev only for past year by choice😊
Absolutely fantastic video.. I did the exact same route many many years ago....(long distance lorry driver)) It took us a week...And a week to get back...Brought back some good memories 👍💯👍
Really good video and beautiful car. I love those things. Only downside I can see is relatively short range on battery between stops. 9 stops and an average of 128 miles over the 1157 miles seems a lot. Upside is that it does charge quickly. Seems the car breaks the Ionity chargers that I think maybe over heat trying to deliver a high rate of charge for too long. Explains maybe why so many of those things are broken so often. Look forward to trip home and next video. Good editing too and commentary.
The stops could have been farther between them, since he mostly seemed to arrive with 35 to 50% capacity left, which in absolute terms is almost the full capacity of a 1st gen ioniq (28kWh). If the preference for ionity were let go in ABRP, it might have been able to lose maybe 2, but at least one charging stop. Also I wonder if reducing your speed to 120 or 110 kmh would improve the efficiency as much as to lose another charging stop, thereby actually gaining time.
LOL! I met the green Porsche guy at the Eurotunnel trying to use the charger on the day you crossed (I saw you as well) and when I complemented his car and offered to help, he told me to f*** off and leave him alone 🤷♂️ He really wasn’t a happy bunny 😇
Great video as usual. I used ABRP a lot but on my recent trips Spain, France, Portugal I lost confidence in it and planning my routes now manually using several apps.
@@kevinaub a bit of both so I can’t fully blame ABRP. It must be almost impossible to keep on top of new chargers etc. My issue was that chargers either weren’t at locations specified or wrong side of highway or super weird directions. In one instance it directed me past a charger several km down an expressway then back the other side to only find no charger.
Great trip video. Love the long drives across Europe. One tip for you. You can get a electronic reader you can put on the windscreen for paying road tolls in France. With this you can just drive through the auto billing lanes and you then get billed at the end of the month. Much more convenient than having to clamber across the passenger seat if you are on your own.
Really love this video. Nice to see the difference in strategy. I sometimes charge my model 3 to SoC%'s where you are arriving with at the chargers 🙂. I always try to arrive with sub-10% and charge to 50-65%, depending on the next leg. But with the insane charging speed of the Ioniq 5 in the higher SoC regions you can pull off your strategy as well. Very relaxing.
Thank you for your massive effort with this travel blog I must admit its making want to keep my 2014 Model S Tesla with the Supercharger network, incredible integration on the Sat Nav to chargers and free supercharging for the early cars, I want to do Cheshire UK to Sorento. My car even has the yacht floor centre console which I prefer, that means you can slide over for the tolls Id never thought of that advantage. Given Ive done 125,000 UK miles and never has a problem charging I think stick with my free but slow charging P85 and Italy here a come but with way too much time to eat !
So I never thought I’d be watching this kind of video. But I’m currently in the process of buying a 500e and I’ve watched a couple of videos from you and Mrs EV about it, and this video shows as recommended. Clicked on it, and by the time you’re arriving in France, I’m opening a bag of popcorn.
Hi Andrew, have you thought about adjusting ABRP's "Reference Consumption". I've adjusted mine from 330Wh/mile to 280Wh/mile to match what the car is saying. I've also discovered that you can change the metric from Wh/mile to m/kWh just from posting this comment and poking around - cheers!
Very much enjoyed the video - it must have taken a lot of work to compile. How much longer do you think the trip would have taken in the Niro? I suppose you'd gain in efficiency but lose in charge time. I'm hoping to do a France trip in my E-Soul soon
Thanks Robert! Yes, I did the same journey in the e-Niro which felt a little longer actually as there were fewer IONITY chargers at the time so we were relying on 50kWh Corri-Door ones. You will get more miles (or kilometres!) out of your Soul but I imagine the IONIQ 5 will be a faster journey overall due to the charge speed which makes up for the worse efficiency. Have a great trip! I love the Soul!
Very watchable given this was a long video! Key takeaways. That was very cheap in “fuel”. It was very quick to charge and gave you the break you would have anyway. A fantastic car and so much want. Charging network is better than I thought BUT still a little temperamental. Finally looking forward to seeing the next adventure! Cheers
Teslas do look like sh-t. And their build quality is still bad. A Model Y AWD is 87k CAD. For Comparison an Ioniq 5 AWD and Kia EV6 AWD top trims are 62k CAD. And the Hyundai and Kia get a 5k dollar gov't rebate and the Tesla doesn't. His Porsche is gorgeous, and the colour of both of your cars are awesome. Even a top Q4 AWD is 17k less than a Model Y. Re: the tolls. Too bad there isn't an electronic pass so you don't have to keep sliding over to the other side. I'd just back through so I was on the right side. :) There's no such thing as charging too fast.
The problem is that we have to wait for over two years for Ioniq 5. They need to be able to scale up their production like Tesla. Saw another Ioniq 5 on the road yesterday, so they certainly exists, but not nearly as common as Tesla nowadays. Don't know how so many people can afford Tesla.
@@wgemini4422 totally agree. All of the OEMs are dragging their feet. Chip shortage, supply chain issues. Here in Canada I don’t think the wait is 2 yrs though. Where are you? VW seems to be ready to ramp up the ID4 production in the US. AND the top trim AWD ID4 is 58k.
@@wgemini4422 I don't know why Hyundai/Kia is always underestimating the demand for their EVs. If they tripled production, they would still sell out every single one.
@@kevinn1158 GTA. My local Hyundai dealer said they are not doing test drive for Ioniq 5 at all and I shouldn't expect anything until 2024 at the earliest.
@@wgemini4422 look up plug n drive. They have a KIA EV6 AWD and other EVs for free test drives. It’s an funded educational centre. I just made an appointment.
I agree with zollotech comment: your charging experience is really helpful for anyone thinking of buying an EV, especially this IONIQ 5. So I'll say we have a TESLA model S and love everything about the convenience of it's charging routes. Most enjoyable is the AC Dog Mode. It is an extreme comfort knowing anyone looking in sees that our pups are comfortable and happily waiting for us to return to the car. Thanks for sharing your educational journey to Italy!🤩🤓 p.s. adore your sweet Baby! 🥰
Ok I lost power around 2 AM and couldn’t sleep. So I was on UA-cam and found this. It’s 4:30AM now. I was surprised how good your work is. Quite enjoyed it. Thank you mate.
For the toll booths, you need to get an Emovis Tag (small box that sticks to your windscreen and charges your debit card automatically). You get priority lanes at the Peages (some that you can do at 30km/h) and you don’t need to scoot over/wake up your passenger to get the ticket/pay the toll. Seriously game changing!
Hi, love your videos! As a new EV owner I have learned a lot from your experiences. I have a Cupra Born and have just got back from a family trip to Berlin and Brugge. We had no issues charging, i used ABRP as a guide and managed to charge every time with either Bonnet or ChargeMap. I felt confident attempting this thanks to your videos, keep up the good work 😊
Have a great time! Since making this video, another app was recommended to me called Pump. Have a go with that - it's arguably better than ABRP in many ways.
My diesel has a 820 miles range which has nothing to do with driving for 13 hours straight although I could in a Emergency with multiple drivers 😳 There's a comforting feeling about 1 - picking where to Stop 2 - Picking how long to stop for 3- Or Choosing to prospone stops if basics are not met such as no toilets , no Restaurants or defective fuel stations Instead of constantly being forced to stop in unknown places which might not meet your or family needs
You can still choose your charge points and yes, there was maybe 1 hour advantage on a 14 hour trip, but otherwise my EV drives match my diesl drives in terms of time of arrival for anything below 700km. Keep your diesel, it will be worth zill come2025...
@@marcusbiller867 pause the Video at 4:13 🤔 Therers no guarantee your bladder Will be syncronised to the car required 14 Stops , in the End you might having to stop 16 or 17 times if for some reason you require going to toilet despite the car having range left 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♂️ or the other way around . However the Biggest issue is having 14x £67 precharges 😳
Such a calm and relaxing road trip video! Personally, I would have driven down the battery much more, but I guess it is not too big of a deal with the huge charging power of the Ioniq 5. As long as my predicted SoC at the next charger is above 10%, I am happy on long trips. Then again, my Model 3 has the better software, but at the same time quite the inferior charging power, especially once you hit 60% SoC or so.
By far the best for coverage in Europe is EE. We drive our motorhome everywhere in Europe and have a router and and external arial on the roof. We’ve never lost reception with this setup.
The ionic 5 reminds me of my Honda FRV - flat floor and easy to configure - superb! The 5 is definitely on my shopping list and these videos help to weigh in its favour. Thanks!
Thank you for all your info on charging an EV in Europe, we currently all the way down in Herbolzheim Germany. Using Bonnet and our Kia charge card. We have a 39 kWh E Niro.
Fantastic video, very informative (waiting for the delivery of my new ev after waiting for it for 1.5y, and watching a lot of videos to pass the time and learn)
Edit: You actually mentioned it towards the end of the video. but yeah, absolutely get yourself an "e-payage" (electronic toll payment) badge from Bipandgo or similar, mount that to your front windshield, and just drive through the e-toll gates without even stopping (lower speed to 30Km/h, wait for the beep, gate opens). One time cost of 20 EUR (10 for the badge, 10 for shipping) and 1.7EUR for each month that you actually use it (no cost for the months you don't) and the toll charges are simply invoiced to you. There's even versions of it that work in Italy, Spain and Portugal too. Really worth it, especially if you're passing a lot of toll booths.
One thing stands out. Get yourself a Bip and Go toll tag! Makes all the difference when driving alone on autoroutes and saves loads of time if there are queues
Great video! I am half way, and will watch the other half, but I had to comment on your sliding thing at the toll booths. Get yourself a toll badge! You can pass without stopping, let alone sliding. You pay a small fee per calendar month using it. Really convenient.
I live in Brisbane Queensland Australia. If I drove north for the same distance you did from Canterbury to Rome I wouldn’t even reach the top of the state. I don’t have an EV yet but the planning section of your video was incredibly helpful and the principles can easily be applied here. It’s what I really like about your videos and style - honest and practical. I’m trying to get my head around different types of cars and recharging options for a possible future purchase and your video has been the best so far. Thank you!
This is so good! I am getting my first EV in two days, and one day later doing a trip in Austria and Switzerland... I feel soooo lost on what needs to be done before such a trip, so it is great to see this E2E planning :) Thanks a lot!
Just remember you'll need to stop and buy vignettes at the borders of both Austria and Switzerland! You'll be fine anyway. Make a rough plan with A Better Route Planner and you shouldn't have any worries.
The Ioniq 5 is my dream EV for the time being, and the upcoming N version should be a performance beast for sure. I'm enjoying my '22 plate Hyundai Kona Ultimate for now, and love the ability to have it stay nice & cool, either while in it, or keeping shopping cool while in another shop etc :) You're lucky to get the Ioniq 5 with the solar roof, IIRC, there were only 1000 allotted for Europe
I disagree, i have an id.3 charges slower but we could not really relax to get a lunch and a toilet brake so I had to change to 90%. It can be a bit frustrating sometimes when it charges to fast.
I have an Ioniq 28kWh and at Instavolts it goes from sub 20% to 80% in about 15 minutes. Barely enough time to piss and grab a coffee and on the road for another 90 minuets.....
Very good video. I drive my Tesla from London to Nice regularly and you really need to get a Euro toll badge, a small gizmo that attaches behind the rear view mirror and communicates with the toll booths. The device is free and you can drive through the toll at 30mph and your bank account gets debited with the fee.
Love thwt you show the reality of EVs, how god damn simple they are. ABPing is absolutely what I am about. I dont want a 600mile bladder. I want to see the places I am driving through. I am going to be planning a trip to Greece and you're making me confident it will be fine.
@@MrEV good thing about Corfu is getting across on the ferry is easy 😀 my island of Lesvos is either through Albania or across through mainland Greece and a heck of a lot of ferry...and few chargers currently. Hope you do it. You make great informative and relaxing videos 🤘
A really good thing to get for travelling through France is an Emovis tag, one of these means you will never need to stop at a toll booth again ( you can drive straight through at 30km/hr.)
I have also driven to Rome and southern Spain (in an ICE) a few times and this video reminded me of one of the main issues on these long drives, which is finding the time and places to eat. There are only so many French service station sandwiches one can stomach. If I take the I5 on such a quest I might invest in a small microwave and use the in-car V2L to heat some ready meals. The camping cool box would keep them fresh from the 12V in the boot.
great video Andrew. I've got a RWD Ionic 5 and love it. I also have an issue with the alarm being over sensitive, it will go off if the windows are open and also in heavy rain!
Andrew, great journey. Thanks for the 10sec preview of the trip home, was assuming it would not sound as glorious. I am starting a 4000 mile road trip in a Taycan. Looking forward to it mostly with some concerns of charger reliability in some desolate areas of America in the Colorado mountains. All the best.
The reason we use kWh/100km in EU is bc its most like L/100km which we are all used to here. In UK/US u all use MPG which is why u prefer M/kW. At least ur using one metric in ur units now (kWh). Ur slowly getting there👍
I’m new to your Channel. I love your videos, fun and informative. I just order an Ioniq 5 that i should receive between 24 and 36 months from now. Crazy long time here in Québec (Canada). Until then, i’ll continue to listen to your channel. Thank’s for sharing your experiences.
A great video. We recently did a road trip to Croatia in a Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo, The route was similar to yours into Italy. We used IONITY wherever possible with speeds up to 265kw. With the Porsche if you programme the charging stop into the car sat nav, it pre-heats the battery to ensure optimal charging speeds. Not sure if the Hyundai does this, but worth investigating. I did not see any reference to your overall consumption. For the Porsche, driving at around 85mph on motorways, except Germany on the return where it would cruise comfortably at 120mph, where permitted, our overall consumption for 2900 miles was 2.8miles/kwh. I was very pleased with this result. Using the Porsche Charging Card for the discounted IONITY rates plus free overnight charging at a couple of hotels, the total cost was £215. For the tolls we used the Ulys device in the windscreen. The advantage of this is that one device covered France and Italy. I have just added Spain and Portugal. With Bip and Go I think you need devises for each country. Looking forward to more updates on your travels
The guy I spoke to with his Taycan CT mentioned preconditioning. I was amazed how quickly he reached high speeds just after plugging-in (I did show it briefly). IONIQ 5 will enable preconditioning soon apparently. I got an average of 2.9 miles/kWh on this leg of the journey. I've not gone through the data for the return trip yet. I've not heard of Ulys? Interesting - I'll look at that.
Great video, this is hopefully my next company car and we often make long trips to North Wales, Scotland, the Lakes and France so these planners and apps have been useful to look at.
When’s part II coming?
Don’t ask.
Haha!
I came back to your channel just now, asking the same question! 😁
@@gregp.7148 same!
Ok just got to the end… magnificent video. Loads of pee, charging, tolls, baby, traffic jams, rerouting of maps and working out what was happening with charging… I honestly couldn’t look away. And the best part was to arrive, with no glass of wine waiting, only to be completely ignored by both if your girls for the excitement of seeing your dog… perfectly sums up long haul car trips, marriage and parenthood in one jam packed video. I honestly can’t wait for the return trip with everyone in tow… the little preview at the end has me on the edge of my seat with excitement. I will be watching with a glass of wine. Keep up the fantastic work you incredibly brave and honest man.
Thank you so much. That's one of the best reviews I've had - it's almost made my family ignoring me worthwhile!
@@MrEV It’s a pleasure to pay credit where it’s due! What a marathon - but I enjoyed every moment. The bonus of your content - besides being very knowledgeable, honest, real and gritty - is that your beautiful country is in the background. My wife and I met in the UK and the memories of living there peak through from time to time. I’m living my dream of owning an EV through your adventures so please keep up your brilliant work!
I laughed out loud when the dog got all the attention. Great video, nice car.
A great tip I learned with the Kia EV6 (basically the same car in regards to charging) put it into sport mode 10 minutes before charging. This will warm up the battery to allow faster charging! Works like a charm, I always get like 240kW using that trick.
That doesn't help unless you drive 180km/h...
@@marcusbiller867 yeah, that's another way to deal with a cold battery 😂
Sport mode won’t warm a battery.
@@bdeithrick it kinda does, if you have a cold battery sport mode warms it up so it is in optimal driving conditions (needs warm battery to withdraw a higher current)
Will be sure to try that!
This is the longest video I have watched on UA-cam for a very long time and also one of the best. Many thanks for the entertainment.
Lovely to hear, thank you so much.
Great to see a full trip with the ionic 5 so well edited and relaxing.
Thank you!
The videography is excellent a stand out feature. Some pretty high end gear seen in some scenes. Very professional.
@@flowntn1989 Thanks so much. Much of it this time was just an iPhone 13 Pro actually (I got it specifically for this trip). I just use the fancy Canon for in-car shots.
A very enjoyable afternoon watch loved it. Been waiting for this to come out can’t wait for part 2
Not sure why this is so much more compelling viewing than an ICE journey, but it is. Who would watch over an hour of somebody filling up with diesel ? :-)
Lots of useful info, thanks, including the fact that post-Brexit dog travel may be more of a hassle than the entire charging process!
The suspense…
well, it wouldn't be many fillups on the whole trip with a modern diesel, and thay would take about 4 minutes
@@someoneelse7629 At $6 a gallon and god knows how much pollution generated. My PHEV costs me less than 9 cents a mile (and that’s more than a straight electric vehicle).
Was only going to watch this for a few minutes but ended up watching it all, very entertaining,thanks.
Thank you for sticking with it!
The IONIQ 5 / its BMS is balancing the battery at 80% SoC, thats why you will get 1kW for a short time. No overheating :)
A very relaxing watch and well done on the editing. Hoping to go electric myself one day. I laughed when Mrs EV went to greet the dog first! 🙂
Of course!
Story of my life!
Priorities eh? Not even an afterthought to say "oh, hi dad" either.
I took mine from Barcelona, Spain to Gloucestershire UK and back. After 4,500 kms, no problem with charging, I can say the I5 is THE most comfortable drive, I’m still besotted with it 😍
I love these videos of yours! They’re so comprehensive, long, calm and relaxed and exactly show case what I need. A road trip with an electric car using electric infrastructure. Thank you! I can’t wait for the other parts.
This is brilliant! Informative and funny! I’m still waiting for my Ioniq 5 to be delivered in about 7 weeks. This may be just before my summer trip through Europe, but your video definitely shows it’s very doable in an EV.
Still time to cancel!
Lol
Just got to the Eurotunnel part so far, but have to admire your calmness in face of events up to now. If it were me, they’d have been treated to the content of my blood vessels…and er, vernacular.
Italian here, I don't have a telepass because it's paid for. I hate paying for motorways because they're ridiculously expensive, so I avoid them like the plague. If the choice is taking 1 hour via motorway and pay 17€ for 100km (A4 Torino-Milano) or 90 minutes with a free state road, I'll choose the latter every single time.
The telepass thingy costs 30€ a year and it's not worth it when 99% of the time going through the Viacard lane only takes me an extra 5 seconds and I only do it like once or twice a month.
Great video thanks. Both you and the dog have the perfect temperament for a trip this long in an EV!
Can’t wait for part 2! Watching you repeat that trip makes me think how much bravery you have. Especially repeating it with the whole family on the way back. Love your work!
Thank you Andrew for the first part of this Roadtrip. Greetings from Switzerland
Thank you so very much for the "Super Thanks", Matthias! You're so kind!
@@MrEV Siete i benvenuti 😊
Great, detailed journey, fantastic footage. I felt like I was on the trip 🙂
Once again, I'm in an EV with Andrew while he problem-solves his way from England to Italy. Bottom line, for me: Amazing how much sustained mental agility & software mining is required to simply drive a substantial distance while in a (best available) EV. I would (mostly) enjoy the challenge...but for most drivers, I'm doubtful this would feel like anything other than 'work'. Thanks, Andrew...and on to Part Due
To be honest it aint that difficult. I like to use abrp or checking ionity locations.
But if i want the car navigation does all that for me anyway, this is in a volkswagen id.3. But it aint as smart as abrp cause ig prefer 80% charges abrp does adjust to the next stop.
Don't forget the Ioniq5 drives itself, takes some of the stress out of the drive. Having said that I would have been in panic mode when the poor doggie got rejected
Take away the Brexit BS and it's not that big a deal...
20 minutes in and I'm wondering why am I watching this and then it comes to me, this is just like the adventure of going on holiday. I just wish I could be as calm as you when I'm adventuring! Saved me a whole heap of cash, I've been to Italy and didn't even need to stop for a dodgy coffee. Thanks.
"This is where I have to wrestle with the Anaconda".
That's what she said,....
Your humility is beguiling Andrew. Thnx for a very useful insight into EVing in Europe
a tip takeaway: you can update ABRP with your current avg consumption so it gives you even better recs.
It should have done that automatically in theory - that was the whole point of the OBD device. It’s not obvious from the CarPlay interface where it’s sending you. (Unless they’ve updated it since then!)
@@MrEV I don't think you mentioned anywhere you are paying for premium and connected the car
@@laloajuria4678 he mentioned the OBD at the beginning. Great devices just for seeing battery temp.
23 minutes in and I’m hooked. I really like your honest / unrehearsed videos - it makes you really likeable
Great watch. You'll need to stretch the mileage to 180-200 before a long charge so you can have a more restful stop :)
I definitely played it too safe!
I found abrp did that to me too, picking prefer ionity,fastned and Tesla still had me stopping every 80 to 105 miles( in a much shorter range car though) great video, thanks for posting. I recognise a lot of the French ionity chargers you used now 😁
I remember from the last Italy road trip you were conservative on your charging stops too. Maybe just looking at available rapid chargers every 200 miles or so may be a faster way to travel across Europe.
Impressive speed of charge, but charging up at 45% is almost criminal. You need your navigation to skip a charger and go to the next so you can arrive at 10% (±5%) . It really makes me value the Tesla navigation nearly as much as the superchargers. All in all I think I would love your car, but there is no way my wife would put up with it, and as we are a single car family I think we will have to stick with an our old model X for a while longer yet.
@@MrEV Better safe than sorry. There could be a power outage at one HPC site. Especially in foreign countries it's good to have some juice left to reach the next HPC site.
I think is the best video of EV I have ever seen, full of details and the best was the quality, amazing :)
Thanks Andrew. Having just returned to the UK yesterday from a road trip to Italy, Switzerland and Germany in my ID.3 your charging and route planning experiences were reassuringly similar using mostly Ionity and a couple of Tesla superchargers. Looking forward to your next video. My own experience suggests I was too cautious with range projections and I’ll be using Eurotunnel instead of the ferry next time. Safe travels. T
How much did it cost to charge at the chargers there. I'm England they are like 85p but it seems a lot cheaper in Europe.
i have the Kia E Niro 2020 model and exchanged it for a combustion engine Mercedes C class estate 2022 model for a summer holiday from nothern Europe to Italy. It reminded me how much extra thinking goes in to planning chargers and waiting at every stop. I really enjoyed the freedom of a combustion engine and the trust that there is always a place to fuel up nearby
After all that and the family are happier to see the dog than you 😜
I look forward to seeing the next episode. Cheers
Thank you I’ve enjoyed the whole video and look forward to Flaviana’s input in part two.👍👍👍
Great video Andrew 👌🏻 - I look forward to part 2
I’m italian, the ioniq 5 is amazing. I have a kona 64kwh i love it
The Kona is fantastic! And sorry for insulting your fellow Italians’ driving skills.
@@MrEV i know a lot of people go too fast in italy, 20km/h more than the speed limit is good but some driver are crazy.
The only problem is the wheel of fortune sound, i will bring it to the dealer maybe electric motor replacement 🫣
I really enjoyed this adventure, however, whilst I have a 6 hour bladder duration and a 750 mile tank range, I think I will hang on to my 530d (for now). Also, you're dog is amazingly calm, I would have hated this with our excitable 100lb German shepherd jumping about with FOMO to see where the heck we are going!
My thinking (and dog type) is the same as you. Happy to drive 400-500 miles non-stop
I think id rather bang my head against a wall than stop every 100 miles...
You have no idea how many people claim they have mega bladder, but in fact, they don't:)
I'm not saying this to offend you nor I'm denying your ability to drive 6 hours straight. What I meant is that many people complain about the range, and in reality its not the range they are afraid of. It's the idea of powerbank driving you around.
And problem with all governments is, the longer people resist electric cars, the more they pay (in taxes) to people that have them. Tax credits, incentives, vat reduction etc.
And I do have ev and ice. Driving ev only for past year by choice😊
@@Edukacyjny_pa-troll It wouldn't matter, it takes two minutes to have a pee 👍
Absolutely fantastic video..
I did the exact same route many many years ago....(long distance lorry driver))
It took us a week...And a week to get back...Brought back some good memories 👍💯👍
Really good video and beautiful car. I love those things. Only downside I can see is relatively short range on battery between stops. 9 stops and an average of 128 miles over the 1157 miles seems a lot. Upside is that it does charge quickly. Seems the car breaks the Ionity chargers that I think maybe over heat trying to deliver a high rate of charge for too long. Explains maybe why so many of those things are broken so often. Look forward to trip home and next video. Good editing too and commentary.
The stops could have been farther between them, since he mostly seemed to arrive with 35 to 50% capacity left, which in absolute terms is almost the full capacity of a 1st gen ioniq (28kWh). If the preference for ionity were let go in ABRP, it might have been able to lose maybe 2, but at least one charging stop.
Also I wonder if reducing your speed to 120 or 110 kmh would improve the efficiency as much as to lose another charging stop, thereby actually gaining time.
LOL! I met the green Porsche guy at the Eurotunnel trying to use the charger on the day you crossed (I saw you as well) and when I complemented his car and offered to help, he told me to f*** off and leave him alone 🤷♂️ He really wasn’t a happy bunny 😇
Amazing! He was nice after I chatted to him at IONITY. He’d obviously calmed down a bit at that point. 😀
Great video as usual. I used ABRP a lot but on my recent trips Spain, France, Portugal I lost confidence in it and planning my routes now manually using several apps.
Why did you lose confidence?
Was it not reliable or were the charging stations unreliable?
@@kevinaub a bit of both so I can’t fully blame ABRP. It must be almost impossible to keep on top of new chargers etc. My issue was that chargers either weren’t at locations specified or wrong side of highway or super weird directions. In one instance it directed me past a charger several km down an expressway then back the other side to only find no charger.
@@MichaelSmithRaces see my reply below.
That's the kind of trip that nails the EV process. Thanks for sharing.
Great trip video. Love the long drives across Europe. One tip for you. You can get a electronic reader you can put on the windscreen for paying road tolls in France. With this you can just drive through the auto billing lanes and you then get billed at the end of the month. Much more convenient than having to clamber across the passenger seat if you are on your own.
Definitely! It was quite a last minute trip but we now have a Bip&Go tag for the next time we go.
Really love this video. Nice to see the difference in strategy. I sometimes charge my model 3 to SoC%'s where you are arriving with at the chargers 🙂. I always try to arrive with sub-10% and charge to 50-65%, depending on the next leg. But with the insane charging speed of the Ioniq 5 in the higher SoC regions you can pull off your strategy as well. Very relaxing.
Looking forward to watching Flaviana at the chargers. 😳
🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant! Really looking forward to seeing the return trip with Mrs EV
Thank you for your massive effort with this travel blog I must admit its making want to keep my 2014 Model S Tesla with the Supercharger network, incredible integration on the Sat Nav to chargers and free supercharging for the early cars, I want to do Cheshire UK to Sorento. My car even has the yacht floor centre console which I prefer, that means you can slide over for the tolls Id never thought of that advantage. Given Ive done 125,000 UK miles and never has a problem charging I think stick with my free but slow charging P85 and Italy here a come but with way too much time to eat !
That's a great road trip machine you've got there. The free Supercharging is an enormous bonus!
So I never thought I’d be watching this kind of video. But I’m currently in the process of buying a 500e and I’ve watched a couple of videos from you and Mrs EV about it, and this video shows as recommended. Clicked on it, and by the time you’re arriving in France, I’m opening a bag of popcorn.
Hi Andrew, have you thought about adjusting ABRP's "Reference Consumption".
I've adjusted mine from 330Wh/mile to 280Wh/mile to match what the car is saying.
I've also discovered that you can change the metric from Wh/mile to m/kWh just from posting this comment and poking around - cheers!
Wow, what an adventure. Thank you for taking us along.
Love how they are more interested to see the dog than u
At least I got a kiss from my wife. My daughter didn’t give a shit. 😀
@@MrEV that's kids for you 😝
Very much enjoyed the video - it must have taken a lot of work to compile. How much longer do you think the trip would have taken in the Niro? I suppose you'd gain in efficiency but lose in charge time.
I'm hoping to do a France trip in my E-Soul soon
He has a video on the channel of the same trip with an e-Niro
Thanks Robert! Yes, I did the same journey in the e-Niro which felt a little longer actually as there were fewer IONITY chargers at the time so we were relying on 50kWh Corri-Door ones.
You will get more miles (or kilometres!) out of your Soul but I imagine the IONIQ 5 will be a faster journey overall due to the charge speed which makes up for the worse efficiency.
Have a great trip! I love the Soul!
Very watchable given this was a long video! Key takeaways. That was very cheap in “fuel”. It was very quick to charge and gave you the break you would have anyway. A fantastic car and so much want. Charging network is better than I thought BUT still a little temperamental. Finally looking forward to seeing the next adventure! Cheers
Teslas do look like sh-t. And their build quality is still bad. A Model Y AWD is 87k CAD. For Comparison an Ioniq 5 AWD and Kia EV6 AWD top trims are 62k CAD. And the Hyundai and Kia get a 5k dollar gov't rebate and the Tesla doesn't. His Porsche is gorgeous, and the colour of both of your cars are awesome. Even a top Q4 AWD is 17k less than a Model Y.
Re: the tolls. Too bad there isn't an electronic pass so you don't have to keep sliding over to the other side. I'd just back through so I was on the right side. :)
There's no such thing as charging too fast.
The problem is that we have to wait for over two years for Ioniq 5. They need to be able to scale up their production like Tesla. Saw another Ioniq 5 on the road yesterday, so they certainly exists, but not nearly as common as Tesla nowadays. Don't know how so many people can afford Tesla.
@@wgemini4422 totally agree. All of the OEMs are dragging their feet. Chip shortage, supply chain issues. Here in Canada I don’t think the wait is 2 yrs though. Where are you?
VW seems to be ready to ramp up the ID4 production in the US. AND the top trim AWD ID4 is 58k.
@@wgemini4422 I don't know why Hyundai/Kia is always underestimating the demand for their EVs. If they tripled production, they would still sell out every single one.
@@kevinn1158 GTA. My local Hyundai dealer said they are not doing test drive for Ioniq 5 at all and I shouldn't expect anything until 2024 at the earliest.
@@wgemini4422 look up plug n drive. They have a KIA EV6 AWD and other EVs for free test drives. It’s an funded educational centre. I just made an appointment.
I agree with zollotech comment: your charging experience is really helpful for anyone thinking of buying an EV, especially this IONIQ 5. So I'll say we have a TESLA model S and love everything about the convenience of it's charging routes. Most enjoyable is the AC Dog Mode. It is an extreme comfort knowing anyone looking in sees that our pups are comfortable and happily waiting for us to return to the car. Thanks for sharing your educational journey to Italy!🤩🤓 p.s. adore your sweet Baby! 🥰
My wife's boss has a Porsche Taycan and he's had no end of serious trouble with the vehicle... Fantastic video thanks.
Very nice 👍🏼😊
Looking forward to part 2....
This perfectly explains why I will not change to an EV until I absolutely have no option. What an unbelievable faff.
None of this faff in a Tesla, in theory anyway! I’ll test the theory in August when we drive to Italy in a Model 3.
Ok I lost power around 2 AM and couldn’t sleep. So I was on UA-cam and found this. It’s 4:30AM now. I was surprised how good your work is. Quite enjoyed it. Thank you mate.
Thank you!
For the toll booths, you need to get an Emovis Tag (small box that sticks to your windscreen and charges your debit card automatically). You get priority lanes at the Peages (some that you can do at 30km/h) and you don’t need to scoot over/wake up your passenger to get the ticket/pay the toll. Seriously game changing!
This is not available for UK users
@@gdwlaw5549 It is. I’m using it right now in France 😉
@@markmccallum8142 that’s great news then. My bother couldn’t get it for his trip down south
Hi, love your videos! As a new EV owner I have learned a lot from your experiences. I have a Cupra Born and have just got back from a family trip to Berlin and Brugge. We had no issues charging, i used ABRP as a guide and managed to charge every time with either Bonnet or ChargeMap. I felt confident attempting this thanks to your videos, keep up the good work 😊
Great to hear! Thank you. I’ve seen a couple of Borns now. Lovely car!
That was excellent. Going to be going to Europe in my Ioniq 5 in August and that has made me feel happy that it's relatively straight forward. Thanks.
Have a great time! Since making this video, another app was recommended to me called Pump. Have a go with that - it's arguably better than ABRP in many ways.
My diesel has a 820 miles range
which has nothing to do with driving for 13 hours straight although I could in a Emergency with multiple drivers 😳
There's a comforting feeling about
1 - picking where to Stop
2 - Picking how long to stop for
3- Or Choosing to prospone stops if basics are not met such as no toilets , no Restaurants or defective fuel stations
Instead of constantly being forced to stop in unknown places which might not meet your or family needs
You can still choose your charge points and yes, there was maybe 1 hour advantage on a 14 hour trip, but otherwise my EV drives match my diesl drives in terms of time of arrival for anything below 700km. Keep your diesel, it will be worth zill come2025...
@@marcusbiller867 pause the Video at 4:13 🤔
Therers no guarantee your bladder Will be syncronised to the car required 14 Stops , in the End you might having to stop 16 or 17 times if for some reason you require going to toilet despite the car having range left 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♂️ or the other way around
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However the Biggest issue is having 14x £67 precharges 😳
Such a calm and relaxing road trip video! Personally, I would have driven down the battery much more, but I guess it is not too big of a deal with the huge charging power of the Ioniq 5. As long as my predicted SoC at the next charger is above 10%, I am happy on long trips. Then again, my Model 3 has the better software, but at the same time quite the inferior charging power, especially once you hit 60% SoC or so.
But the superior charging network
By far the best for coverage in Europe is EE. We drive our motorhome everywhere in Europe and have a router and and external arial on the roof. We’ve never lost reception with this setup.
Came for the EV. Stayed for the doggo. Subbed for the great video.
Really enjoyed this man 👌
The ionic 5 reminds me of my Honda FRV - flat floor and easy to configure - superb! The 5 is definitely on my shopping list and these videos help to weigh in its favour. Thanks!
Thank you for all your info on charging an EV in Europe, we currently all the way down in Herbolzheim Germany. Using Bonnet and our Kia charge card. We have a 39 kWh E Niro.
Just watched it for the second time! Awesome.
Thank you! I'd love to do that journey again in the same car... or maybe an IONIQ 6.
Fantastic video, very informative (waiting for the delivery of my new ev after waiting for it for 1.5y, and watching a lot of videos to pass the time and learn)
Brilliant! Laughed a lot, learnt a lot! Ciao to Baby!
Summing up in one word. 'Brilliant'
Funny light hearted video. Can't wait for part 2
Great video as usual this one is exceptional viewing whatching you plan the route and how the car performs Fantastic, keep the videos coming Andrew
Thanks Andrew. Long time, no see, so I'll be exploring your 'back catalogue' for a while. 🙂👍
Some of those old videos are terrible!
@@MrEV Better than mine though! 😉
nice video, a lot of useful information, great job as always.
Edit: You actually mentioned it towards the end of the video. but yeah, absolutely get yourself an "e-payage" (electronic toll payment) badge from Bipandgo or similar, mount that to your front windshield, and just drive through the e-toll gates without even stopping (lower speed to 30Km/h, wait for the beep, gate opens). One time cost of 20 EUR (10 for the badge, 10 for shipping) and 1.7EUR for each month that you actually use it (no cost for the months you don't) and the toll charges are simply invoiced to you. There's even versions of it that work in Italy, Spain and Portugal too. Really worth it, especially if you're passing a lot of toll booths.
As always a superb video. Factually “spot on”. Concise. I admire you.
I totally love the phrase: «…wrestle with the anaconda.» 😂
One thing stands out. Get yourself a Bip and Go toll tag! Makes all the difference when driving alone on autoroutes and saves loads of time if there are queues
Got it now!
Great video! I am half way, and will watch the other half, but I had to comment on your sliding thing at the toll booths. Get yourself a toll badge! You can pass without stopping, let alone sliding. You pay a small fee per calendar month using it. Really convenient.
The trip was too last minute to get one in time, but I got a Bip&Go when I did subsequent road trips in the Model 3 and Peugeot e-208.
I live in Brisbane Queensland Australia. If I drove north for the same distance you did from Canterbury to Rome I wouldn’t even reach the top of the state. I don’t have an EV yet but the planning section of your video was incredibly helpful and the principles can easily be applied here. It’s what I really like about your videos and style - honest and practical. I’m trying to get my head around different types of cars and recharging options for a possible future purchase and your video has been the best so far. Thank you!
This is so good! I am getting my first EV in two days, and one day later doing a trip in Austria and Switzerland... I feel soooo lost on what needs to be done before such a trip, so it is great to see this E2E planning :) Thanks a lot!
Just remember you'll need to stop and buy vignettes at the borders of both Austria and Switzerland! You'll be fine anyway. Make a rough plan with A Better Route Planner and you shouldn't have any worries.
The Ioniq 5 is my dream EV for the time being, and the upcoming N version should be a performance beast for sure. I'm enjoying my '22 plate Hyundai Kona Ultimate for now, and love the ability to have it stay nice & cool, either while in it, or keeping shopping cool while in another shop etc :)
You're lucky to get the Ioniq 5 with the solar roof, IIRC, there were only 1000 allotted for Europe
“It charges too fast” said no one (except Andrew) 😅. Can’t wait for part 2.
I disagree, i have an id.3 charges slower but we could not really relax to get a lunch and a toilet brake so I had to change to 90%.
It can be a bit frustrating sometimes when it charges to fast.
I have an Ioniq 28kWh and at Instavolts it goes from sub 20% to 80% in about 15 minutes. Barely enough time to piss and grab a coffee and on the road for another 90 minuets.....
Very good video. I drive my Tesla from London to Nice regularly and you really need to get a Euro toll badge, a small gizmo that attaches behind the rear view mirror and communicates with the toll booths. The device is free and you can drive through the toll at 30mph and your bank account gets debited with the fee.
I have a Bip&Go now, ready for the next time we go.
Love thwt you show the reality of EVs, how god damn simple they are. ABPing is absolutely what I am about. I dont want a 600mile bladder. I want to see the places I am driving through. I am going to be planning a trip to Greece and you're making me confident it will be fine.
I'm hoping to do the same one of these years since Greece (Corfu especially) is one of our favourite places.
@@MrEV good thing about Corfu is getting across on the ferry is easy 😀 my island of Lesvos is either through Albania or across through mainland Greece and a heck of a lot of ferry...and few chargers currently. Hope you do it. You make great informative and relaxing videos 🤘
I just checked out A Better Route Planner and I'm in the States, I like it. Thanks.
A really good thing to get for travelling through France is an Emovis tag, one of these means you will never need to stop at a toll booth again ( you can drive straight through at 30km/hr.)
I have one now. Bip&Go actually, as that also works in Italy.
They really help, especially when there's only one of you in the car
Nice trip, thanks for sharing. In the settings of ABRP I moved the slider for charging stops to "less but long". Then you have more time to eat 😉.
I have also driven to Rome and southern Spain (in an ICE) a few times and this video reminded me of one of the main issues on these long drives, which is finding the time and places to eat. There are only so many French service station sandwiches one can stomach. If I take the I5 on such a quest I might invest in a small microwave and use the in-car V2L to heat some ready meals. The camping cool box would keep them fresh from the 12V in the boot.
That's a great idea! I wish I'd done the same.
great video Andrew. I've got a RWD Ionic 5 and love it. I also have an issue with the alarm being over sensitive, it will go off if the windows are open and also in heavy rain!
Thanks for documenting this - just reinforces my view that reliance on charge stations is too big a weak point for me.
We’re doing roughly the same journey next month in a Tesla. It’ll be much easier.
Andrew, great journey. Thanks for the 10sec preview of the trip home, was assuming it would not sound as glorious.
I am starting a 4000 mile road trip in a Taycan. Looking forward to it mostly with some concerns of charger reliability in some desolate areas of America in the Colorado mountains.
All the best.
Wow! That's going to be an amazing journey. Amazing car, too. Have a great time!
The reason we use kWh/100km in EU is bc its most like L/100km which we are all used to here. In UK/US u all use MPG which is why u prefer M/kW.
At least ur using one metric in ur units now (kWh). Ur slowly getting there👍
great video. Many thanks. Reminds me of my trip from Frankfurt to Puebla de Sanabria (2000km) Spain. Did it with Ioniq Classic.....was fun too.
That amount of stopping would drive me insane
With the increased number of chargers throughout Europe now, I could do it with fewer stops now if I tried again.
The dog got a better welcome. Is that telling you something. 😎
Depressing isn’t it? 😭
Still awaiting part 2 Andrew! Its worse than waiting for the Better Call Saul finale. 🙏
Another couple of weeks to go, sorry!
'It charges too fast' A forbidden phrase that must not ever be repeated.
I’m new to your Channel. I love your videos, fun and informative. I just order an Ioniq 5 that i should receive between 24 and 36 months from now. Crazy long time here in Québec (Canada). Until then, i’ll continue to listen to your channel. Thank’s for sharing your experiences.
I enjoyed watching the whole video mate cheers. Looking forward to part 2
A great video. We recently did a road trip to Croatia in a Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo, The route was similar to yours into Italy. We used IONITY wherever possible with speeds up to 265kw. With the Porsche if you programme the charging stop into the car sat nav, it pre-heats the battery to ensure optimal charging speeds. Not sure if the Hyundai does this, but worth investigating.
I did not see any reference to your overall consumption. For the Porsche, driving at around 85mph on motorways, except Germany on the return where it would cruise comfortably at 120mph, where permitted, our overall consumption for 2900 miles was 2.8miles/kwh. I was very pleased with this result. Using the Porsche Charging Card for the discounted IONITY rates plus free overnight charging at a couple of hotels, the total cost was £215.
For the tolls we used the Ulys device in the windscreen. The advantage of this is that one device covered France and Italy. I have just added Spain and Portugal. With Bip and Go I think you need devises for each country.
Looking forward to more updates on your travels
The guy I spoke to with his Taycan CT mentioned preconditioning. I was amazed how quickly he reached high speeds just after plugging-in (I did show it briefly). IONIQ 5 will enable preconditioning soon apparently.
I got an average of 2.9 miles/kWh on this leg of the journey. I've not gone through the data for the return trip yet.
I've not heard of Ulys? Interesting - I'll look at that.
Great video, this is hopefully my next company car and we often make long trips to North Wales, Scotland, the Lakes and France so these planners and apps have been useful to look at.