What I loved about Bautista in this film is that he didn't just feel like a brat with a short temper. He was panicked because he knew he was about to lose control of the planet. To his little brother, no less. The undercurrent of fear that defined his character was a sight to see. Which made his retreat from Paul even more interesting. He was more afraid of Paul and the Fremen than he was of losing everything he had ever worked for.
@@elijahalbistonalso a voice against over-sexualization of men in movies (it’s a problem for either sex, but you don’t see the discussion being about the men’s side of things often), which is nice. He’s been cast as “big buff guy who has to have at least one shirtless scene in the movie, if he’s not just walking around shirtless all the time” so often that it started making him uncomfortable.
LOL!! No, really. I lol'd in the theater listening to it thinking what a crappy ripoff of Zimmer's Bladerunner and Lion King, not realizing it was Zimmer. Then I knew he just repurposed and threw together unused tracks from those 2 movies for a quick buck. The score was not good, it was discount Hans.
Saw it 5 times in IMAX, once a week untill it left the cinema. I tried to watch Dune 2 webrip, but it does not have the same impact, the sheer power of the sound design, the IMAX ratio (1.9, unfortunately could not watch it in 1.43). I might sound elitist, but you havn't really seen Dune part 2 until you saw it in a good IMAX theater.
i also really love that the lazers arent just some projectiles, theyre actual light, as theyre supposed to be. its the sense of sci-fi plus realisim that really gets you immersed bc it feel like its actually happening
I also loved the small details that in Dune universe hitting a shield with a laser results in a nuclear explosion either on the target or the one shooting the laser. And Fremen were shooting unshielded machinery with laser and did not shoot the shielded ornithopters with lasers because they are not suicidal...
@@MirecUcreates a fission reaction at both the shield and the end point of the laser, both go boom. It’s straight up banned by the landsraad, being equated to using the house atomics.
The guy who Elvis Harkonnen has to defeat in the second movie is the same guy who says, "My Lord. The sun's getting too high. We need to seal the doors." It happens when they all have arrived and Oscar and Josh are talking about showering with sand.
Lieutenant Lanville. He was meant to have a bigger role in the first film, which would have paid off in the arena scene. He was a victim of how ruthlessly purposeful Denis is in the edit. It's a shame as this would have been another thread that tied the two films together.
We know that he followed Gurney Halleck around in the first film, there are several scenes with them together during the Atreides arrival and during the strategy planning meetings, so he was pretty high up in the Atreides leadership. If Gurney trusted him to be his right hand man, then he must have been an exceptional soldier.
Furthermore his power level is established. He's one of Leto's top men, he's always in his personal guard and by his side like Gurney, which establishes him as one of the finest fighters in the imperium according to dialogue in part 1.
There are two things specifically I love about this movie: 1. After becoming the kwizats haderach, in my opinion Paul doesn’t make any more decisions: we never see him doubt or hesitate, he is simply doing exactly what he knows will work, he's almost inhuman and I love it. 2. Stilgar goes from a measured and respected leader to an absolute fanatic, the look in his eyes when he falls to his knees after Paul proclaims himself Lisan al Gaïb really shows just how much he is being manipulated, a lessening of a man, if you will EDIT: Oh how ignorant is mankind about the impact it can have, the fool wanted to simply leave a comment about a few things he liked about a movie, and he shall be punished with unending notifications about a comment chain discussing religion and the nature and definition of a god. For the fool did not consider the impact his words could have... Woe is me
1. Paul becomes a God 2. Stilgar worships his God The first point totally invalidates your idiotic second point which is the same idiocy that Herbert intended to insert with his own Transhumanist Liberal religious dogma. Stilgar has the normal human reaction to being in the presence of divinity... the problem isn't with Stilgar, the problem is with Paul thinking that there's a problem with Stilgar. That failure of Paul is why he dies alone in the desert broken & blind... while leaving the terrible burden of being the God-Emperor to his son Leto II. THAT is Paul's failure... his rejection of his own divinity
A part in the film I absolutely love is when, after Paul defeats feyd and he is asked what the next move is, is the way he says: “lead them to paradise”. The emotion in his face seems almost sad, and the way he says it feels reluctant, like he doesn’t want it but it is the future he sees.
He basically has lost control over his own creation at this point. The Fremen don't even bother to ask what their chosen one actually wants - it doesn't matter. This is imho the prime lesson Frank Herbert tried to teach when writing this book: beware of charismatic leaders.
Paul's speech where he finally declares himself "Lisan al Gaib" is amazing. It hit me right in the feels. I also reminded of Leto's lesson to Paul: "A great man doesn't seek to lead, he's called to it and he answers."
Strangely, the actual narrative of Rebel Moon is what would happen if Paul was The Emperor. The entire Universe is subjugated and broken, due to fanaticism. However, there is no ideology inherent to Rebel Moon, unlike the danger associated with religious fervor which Messiah will have to tackle.
The exceptional use of tension between Paul and his goal is what ends up really selling the second half of the film, to the point that when our protagonist becomes a genuine future-seeing prophet and the most powerful being in the setting, instead of reducing the tension it elevates it by demonstrating that this is absolutely not a good thing.
This is perfect timing. I watched Dune 2 in theaters 2 days ago and it was amazing. There were so many moments where I smiled to myself because of how good this movie is.
The real test moving forward is how the audiense resonates Dune Messiah. It's DLC to finish Paul's Tragedy but we love tragedies like Hamlet so we'll see
The thing is, as someone who has read it, It would be pretty boring if someone adapted it into film. Possibly, denis could save this by actually showing the Jihad, but other than the stoneburner scene and a few others, I think the action movie conditioned audience wouldn’t find it interesting.
@@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an I think it will appeal to what people loved about early season Game of Thrones, the endless plotting of characters. Game of Thrones didn't become must see TV because of the action, it came must see TV due to how the characters worked off each other. Messiah has the plotting in droves, the entire story is driven by basically the 3 villains, Scytale, Irulan, and the dwarf. Denis can make Messiah work by just leaning into that.
@@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an See, I also thought that about the Dune movies because the book is nearly half characters having internal monologues, but these are now some of my favourite movies. I still have doubts, but I want to see what Villeneuve can come up with.
The idea of elevating another character at the expense of another is perfectly fine - if executed well. And Dune 2 does exactly that. If you want your character to be smart, they need to outsmart another - and that character must not be dumbed down to do so. If you want an antagonist or protagonist to climb the power rank, make them defeat a character that's powerful - don't make that character weak. The greater power of the obstacle, the greater the satisfaction and impact on the audience when it is overcome. That's why we cheer when Paul defeats Feyd - because the movie has built Feyd into the menacing, sadistic, evil and powerful antagonist, and remains true to that until the very end.
When the credits rolled, the entire theater was frozen in place for like 5 min, nobody wanted to get up. People were so immersed into the movie, it was incredible.
People saying that the battle was too 'one-sided' forgets that Paul can literally see the future now, so he makes ZERO mistakes. every move and strategy he does is based on the future where HE is the one who wins and the enemies lose - it's like playing chess against someone that already knows every single move you will do on the board; dude is too OP.
Another reason why the third act works pretty well for me is the setup for the next movie. Yes, the emperor is portrayed as this all powerful individual, but as soon as the other houses arrive in orbit and decide to watch how the conflict on the surface plays out, we realize that this almighty power is built upon the acceptance and support of these houses. This, again, diminishes the power level of the (now defeated) emperor in relation to the other houses, while elevating the stakes for the upcoming battles off-world.
Finding an IMAX near me is like trying to find an open source of water on Arrakis. I couldn't do it, and I couldn't even see it my local theater before they pulled it.
Same, there is only one theater near me and they have only 5 screens, which means they either swap out movies pretty quickly or don't show movies at all. I have miss out on seeing many movies I was really anticipating since they just never got shown. Seeing something in IMAX is an impossible dream unless I move in the future or I visit an IMAX theater while travelling.
In the state where I live, only ONE IMAX is available. That too, the only things that they show over there are dinosaurs and shit cuz it's located in a science park.
I agree my only gripe is the contrast in Chani, if you read the books you know how supportive she was the whole time and I don’t understand why Denis put such an emphasis on the gap between her and Paul as he progressed closer to being the messiah but it’s something I hope will pan out in the next movie
People say you need to watch the first as a refresher before watching the second. I implore people to *watch the first AFTER the second* so you can notice things.
I think that's an extreme stretch of words to say that "Better Help has tried very hard to be the most trusted..." anything. When you get fined by the actual FTC, it says a lot more.
honestly what hit me most was Chalamet's performance. i wasn't sure he could pull it off, and he did. i was convinced. also, Villeneuve's brave changes to the original story were well-made, and he knew people would freak out over it.
I've long suspected that Villeneuve loves nothing as much as seeing people endlessly debate about what his film "meant" and why he made this or that shocking or unsettling choice in how he made the film... He's an extremely talented master manipulator with a way of making filmgoers ask themselves "why am I feeling what I'm feeling after watching his film?"
It's incomplete though. Just slapping part 1 on it doesn't absolve that. Analyze its plot structure. There is no real third act. The problem of the first act is receiving the commission to arrakis and taking control of it. The problem of act 2 is how to escape the harkonen attack. That is the problem running all the way until the end where it is resolved by being accepted by the fremen. The fremen duel is not a third act, it is a single scene and is still properly part of act 2. There was not a denouement and introduction of a third act as can be seen by there being no release of the tension from the battle. Compare LOTR the fellowship: Act 1 goes all the way to rivendell, with the introduction of the problem coming when gandalf visits Frodo, and the climax of the act being the chase by the ringwraiths as arwen rides with frodo. Then the following scenes are calm and we establish new plot points and characters and a new problem for this act: they've gotta get to mordor as a team of 9. The climax is when the balrog and gandalf fall into the chasm. Act 3 begins with calm again, introducing Galadriel and by this point, if not earlier, establishing the uruk hai as an impending threat. The problem is the same. What was "resolved" in act 2 was that the problem changed: how do we accomplish the goal with fewer in the fellowship than we planned? Act 3 is comparably short and the climax is not merely the uruk hai attack but specifically Boromir sacrificing himself to protect the halflings after initially failing the test of power. The resolution is that the fellowship is broken up but it served the purpose of getting frodo and sam as far as they did. It's a clear 3 act structure with periods of exposition, a problem to be faced, an extended sequence of conflict, followed by a sequence of emotional calm to separate each act from the next clearly. Dune 1 didn't have this. It had a short first act with no standard conflict (the climax is instead the test by the bene jesserit) and very long second act. That's why it's fair to say it was incomplete. Even though Fellowship was the first part of three, itb was still a complete film by itself. I hope this explained the issue to you
@cosmictreason2242 Part 1 was literally the first half of the book that why they said part 1 the fuck you kn about...it was meant to introduce the characters that why 1984 Dune failed because it crammed everything. Now go watch Dune part 1 and part 2 together...you will appreciate it 👍
@@neoluthuli3254 And The Fellowship of the Ring is actually the first part of a very long book, and yet the film works perfectly as a stand-alone work.
@Ratchet2431 Oh remember when people said Dune was the most un adaptable book? Denis did his best with part 1 say what you want now but these 2 films are perfect
@@Ratchet2431that's debatable, the reason I never went on to watch any of the other LotR movies was the moment when it finished and I'm like "is that it where is the end?"
The knife fight itself is like an ultra fast chess game. It's calculated and precised. That give the sheer new heights to the dynamics of both combatants.
I know people praise IMAX, but I believe 4dx deserves some too. THAT worm ride? Felt like I was dragged along as well. Absolute blast! PS: DO NOT PURCHASE POPCORN!
Dune 2 is gonna sweep a lot of prizes during Awards season. I predict a clean sweep in Special Effects (VFX), Sound, Cinematography, and Director categories. It was just that good.
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Great connection for game of thrones, i remember watching Battle of the Bastards, and feeling the suffocation, now i dont what its like to fight and get sliced or stabbed but suffocating not being able to breathe is pretty relatable and such a good twist to the battle
There is also some scenes in that battle where arrows, spears, and even horses, travel directly into the screen, which can cause you to jump in your seat, making you feel just how terrifying it can be to have so many chaotic things happening all around you.
Hey filmento, just wanted to check in and say thank you all the amazing, top teir content. Not only is it enjoyable but it's heavily entertaining. My favorite parts are the subtle references and jokes you throw in randomly haha. I hope you don't stop anytime soon!
The final battle should've been a bit bigger, longer, and the Emperor should've been more present, but besides of that, it's very good. I have to say, the cqc scene at the end is quite thrilling, this felt real.
The shift in pacing and how brutally one sided the third act is is honestly great foreshadowing to what Paul is becoming. It is made to make you question what comes next, how could anyone resist his forces, and what happens if he isn't a good person. And if we get more movies, we'll see exactly what happens.
i watched this movie at least 6 times in theaters. incredible work. i would tell ppl they had to see it in theaters. i’d describe it to ppl as cinema history and if you didn’t catch it on the big screen now you’d just regret it later.
Your reading of Dune & 2une, and perhaps the audience members you mentioned that do not grasp the deeper philosophical condemnation of our culture inherent within the Dune films and see them as "atmosphere" only serve to emphasize the purpose of Frank Herberts books, demonstrating perfectly how easily human beings can be manipulated, tricked, and controlled. Those that accept the elements of the storytelling at face value, and dismiss the significance of the beats in the film that are too complex for popcorn flick consumers add credence to the wariness Frank Herbert had for our culture's fascination with the heroic archetypes held in such high regard by our society. Dune isn't a hero's journey story in earnest. Dune challenges traditional notions of heroism by subverting and deconstructing familiar archetypes and tropes like the hero's journey, western films, and the religious texts we are familiar with. The characters in Dune are morally ambiguous, with conflicting motivations and allegiances that blur the lines between hero and villain. Yes, the Harkanans are villains, but so is Paul. The "prophecy" he fulfills and his astronomical rise to power were not organic. The Bene Gesserit (BG) have implanted prophecies and superstitions on Arrakis, including the Lisan Al-Ghaib prophecy, for insurance and to make it feel like a prophecy when it happens. The BG are known as "black arm of superstition" and have spent thousands of years breeding humans from important bloodlines to create a Kwisatz Haderach (KH) in Paul Atreides. This is Pauls "terrible purpose" that the books directly name dozens of times. And Paul is aware of this. He hurdles towards oblivion full steam ahead with the full knowledge that he is a synthetic Messiah for the Fremen who he is complicit in manipulating. Paul is more terrifying than the Harkanan who are also pawns in the Bene Gesserits plans playing their parts as the narrative's villains perfectly. If you see Paul as the hero, you've arguably missed the whole point of the Dune series.
To be fair, MOST people who have read the initial Dune novel (from the day it was published to today) also came away thinking Paul was the hero - very much contrary to its author's intent! Though Villeneuve has made it a LOT harder to come away with that view, I was surprised that my own family members still came away making excuses for him... But the story isn't over - as any reader of the extended series knows. Villeneuve is bound to deliver us a sobering end to the modern Greek tragedy that is Dune: the definitive destruction of a man through an arbitrary "curse of the gods" (without actual gods in the Dune universe) that no one can do anything to prevent - even with perfect foresight... The only question is: will he finish the story with "Messiah"? or with "Children of Dune" (when its tragedy is revealed to be a multi-generational one like the original "Atreides" story in Greek mythology)?
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Saw this movie three times in the theatre, they really nailed it. Of course some elements could have boosted the dynamic, like characters that were left out. But overall this is one of the if not the most authentic rendition of book to film I’ve seen in a while
Saw this movie five times in the cinema, with the last viewing being the best of them. Watched it on the largest IMAX screen in the world and it was such an awesome experience! This is what cinemas are made for!
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The whole scene with the Emperor worked for me because it emphasised how Paul was changing the rules of the static society that the Emperor embodied. He and the Baron are scheming against each other, each making power plays that that in themselves are cunning and impressive. If Paul did factor into their calculations, they would anticipate "what happens if he joins our game?" But instead, he just flips the games table entirely by doing a string of impossible and unthinkable things.
I remember another video making the same point as you about characters ranking relative to each others. The video talked about sans undertale and wrestling.
Seeing this in IMax was actually incredible. It was like being on a roller-coaster! I recently got a new Bose surround system as well and have watching it at home and let me tell you, the sound and score in that movie absolutely help MAKE that movie. I just finished reading the first Dune book last night (and have been a fan since childhood thanks to my dad and the David Lynch film) and I am obsessed with this version of the story. Film perfection is right.
The shot of Shai Hulud bursting thru the storm, Fremen on his back, to take out the Sardaukar is just... *Chef's kiss* I don't think I've had that feeling if awe since the Return of the King. In fact, with a third movie in development, Dune has the potential to be a trilogy on oar with LOTR
Dune 1 and Dune 2 are amazing, and they are simply literally epic. Both a lot of movie, which I think Filmento captures. It's constantly bigger, better, and culminating!
I loved the first Dune. The thing that I can't get over in Dune 2 is the fight scenes. Where did the personal shields go? The action was so much more difficult and interesting in the first film. And why was it so damn easy for the Fremen to win pretty much every battle? The problem with that is that they didn't come across as the oppressed underdogs. I was wondering the whole time how the Harkonnen were able to mine any spice at all. The Fremen seemed to have superior technology and fighting abilities.
The scene where they destoy the harvest was so intenso for me, that i almost cryed. Serious dude, was freaking awesome to watch a so well made movie in these days.
Did you know The word Fedaykin is inspired by the word (Fedayi_فدائي), which is a word given to the Palestinian resistance fighters who resist the Israeli occupation,even the way they fight is similar because they are fewer in numbers and weapons
The fact that Part 2 had an actual story and characters and non-verbal worldbuilding, as opposed to just endless slow-motion shots of sand and famous actors standing around in a circle, definitely helped.
The thing which makes the arena kill so much more impressive is that we know atreides fighters are among the most feared soldiers in the empire, and is probably more than capable lf delivering some serious damage.
It was the best cinematic experience I've ever had, with Inception in a distant second place back in 2010 and maybe Matrix in 99. It was also the first time ever I went to IMAX and boy it was worth every penny extra.
I recently watched Children of Dune miniseries (Syfy, 2003). Because I was so hungry for more Dune live action content. That’s also a really good show and lord! James McCavoy as Thimothee Chalamet’s son even though there’s like 20 years apart they do align with each other.
I understand why it could of been complicated to flesh out the sardukar but it was disappointing they didn’t flesh out there skills and tactical strength they’re supposed to be the best of the best of the best raised on basically a planet that was like living in Alcatraz this story just has such a rich atmosphere but villnueve has done an impossible feat for sure
Dune Part 2 is visually a great film on its own, but a poor adaptation of Dune imo. All the departures from the source material didn't feel necessary to me, and made the resulting story worse than the original book. It also reversed several characters' motivations to add interpersonal drama where there wasn't any, and then removed interpersonal drama from where there actually was some originally.
The fighter is Lanville from the first movie. He was in Duke Letos vanguard so he was probably a pretty decent fighter and also a friend of Duncan Idaho.
For me, the idea of the Fremen and Fedaykin is fucking cool. A bunch of desert people living on a scorching hot desert planet, but are also fairly technilogically advanced, as well insanely skilled fighters, is such a graat concept. The water suits are cool af, and seeing the Fedaykin emerge frim the sand and straight up rush their enemies is so badass
Hopefully this makes up for my Dune 1 video.
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Both movies were some of the most boring movies I have ever seen. 3 hours for very little to happen in 2 damn movie. I still want my money back.
Your Dune 1 video is the only Filmento video I’ve seen twice, it was very entertaining
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This is first movie where every time the credits rolled, one of the first things I thought was “I want to watch this again”
Same
After watching 4x in theaters, i want to sit n do another 10
@@bennruda11 bruh chill
Same! Never before have I had that feeling. I immediately came out like, "That was even better than I thought, and I want to watch it again!"
@@elijahalbistonthat’s how I felt for top gun maverick
What I loved about Bautista in this film is that he didn't just feel like a brat with a short temper. He was panicked because he knew he was about to lose control of the planet. To his little brother, no less. The undercurrent of fear that defined his character was a sight to see. Which made his retreat from Paul even more interesting. He was more afraid of Paul and the Fremen than he was of losing everything he had ever worked for.
Bautista, and the guy is _good_
@@Hawk7886 thank you
Favorite and best wrestler-turned actor, and a great guy
@@elijahalbistonalso a voice against over-sexualization of men in movies (it’s a problem for either sex, but you don’t see the discussion being about the men’s side of things often), which is nice. He’s been cast as “big buff guy who has to have at least one shirtless scene in the movie, if he’s not just walking around shirtless all the time” so often that it started making him uncomfortable.
Dude, we dont need that. @@jordinagel1184
Critics: Dune (2021) was good, but it could have been better and more Epic
Danis Villenuence: I took that Personal
I see both as just one giant movie, just like LOTR
2021 is the better movie imo.
Hold my beer 😁
Personality?
@@bennruda11 I think he means he reacted like Argentinian politician Juan Perón. Or something.
Hans Zimmer score goes even harder upon watching it in cinema. That's how goated it is.
That's Hans Zimmer? Well that explains a lot.
Bless he Hans and his music,
bless the coming and going of Him
Hans Zimmer is a musical god
LOL!! No, really. I lol'd in the theater listening to it thinking what a crappy ripoff of Zimmer's Bladerunner and Lion King, not realizing it was Zimmer. Then I knew he just repurposed and threw together unused tracks from those 2 movies for a quick buck. The score was not good, it was discount Hans.
@@mc1993 Uh huh. Get out of here troll.
I saw this twice in IMAX. It was absolutely incredible.
Those are rookie numbers, you gotta get those numbers up...
@@askungusamongus ngl I wanted to see the movie more than twice in imax but i got like college to deal with so yeah
Thrice over here. Thanks AMC A-List.
Saw it 5 times in IMAX, once a week untill it left the cinema.
I tried to watch Dune 2 webrip, but it does not have the same impact, the sheer power of the sound design, the IMAX ratio (1.9, unfortunately could not watch it in 1.43).
I might sound elitist, but you havn't really seen Dune part 2 until you saw it in a good IMAX theater.
Seeing it for a tenth time in imax very soon myself
i also really love that the lazers arent just some projectiles, theyre actual light, as theyre supposed to be. its the sense of sci-fi plus realisim that really gets you immersed bc it feel like its actually happening
To be fair "lasers" in star wars etc aren't really lasers, but superheated plasma bolts or some such
I also loved the small details that in Dune universe hitting a shield with a laser results in a nuclear explosion either on the target or the one shooting the laser. And Fremen were shooting unshielded machinery with laser and did not shoot the shielded ornithopters with lasers because they are not suicidal...
@@MirecUcreates a fission reaction at both the shield and the end point of the laser, both go boom. It’s straight up banned by the landsraad, being equated to using the house atomics.
@@MirecUthat’s part of the reason the other houses reject Pauls rise. He used his house atomics to defeat Corrino and Harkonnen. Very taboo.
They somehow have impact. You instinctively know they are dangerous.
The guy who Elvis Harkonnen has to defeat in the second movie is the same guy who says, "My Lord. The sun's getting too high. We need to seal the doors." It happens when they all have arrived and Oscar and Josh are talking about showering with sand.
His actor is Roger Yuan, who did the combat choreography for the movie, too!😊
Lieutenant Lanville. He was meant to have a bigger role in the first film, which would have paid off in the arena scene. He was a victim of how ruthlessly purposeful Denis is in the edit. It's a shame as this would have been another thread that tied the two films together.
We know that he followed Gurney Halleck around in the first film, there are several scenes with them together during the Atreides arrival and during the strategy planning meetings, so he was pretty high up in the Atreides leadership. If Gurney trusted him to be his right hand man, then he must have been an exceptional soldier.
What other scenes. I'm not aware of him having more@@essa6315
Furthermore his power level is established. He's one of Leto's top men, he's always in his personal guard and by his side like Gurney, which establishes him as one of the finest fighters in the imperium according to dialogue in part 1.
There are two things specifically I love about this movie:
1. After becoming the kwizats haderach, in my opinion Paul doesn’t make any more decisions: we never see him doubt or hesitate, he is simply doing exactly what he knows will work, he's almost inhuman and I love it.
2. Stilgar goes from a measured and respected leader to an absolute fanatic, the look in his eyes when he falls to his knees after Paul proclaims himself Lisan al Gaïb really shows just how much he is being manipulated, a lessening of a man, if you will
EDIT: Oh how ignorant is mankind about the impact it can have, the fool wanted to simply leave a comment about a few things he liked about a movie, and he shall be punished with unending notifications about a comment chain discussing religion and the nature and definition of a god. For the fool did not consider the impact his words could have... Woe is me
1. Paul becomes a God
2. Stilgar worships his God
The first point totally invalidates your idiotic second point which is the same idiocy that Herbert intended to insert with his own Transhumanist Liberal religious dogma. Stilgar has the normal human reaction to being in the presence of divinity... the problem isn't with Stilgar, the problem is with Paul thinking that there's a problem with Stilgar. That failure of Paul is why he dies alone in the desert broken & blind... while leaving the terrible burden of being the God-Emperor to his son Leto II. THAT is Paul's failure... his rejection of his own divinity
@@nationalsocialism3504 cool story bro👍
@jochem12jdj it is regardless of how badly Herbert mangled it through his religious zeal
@jochem12jdj though Warhammer 40k did it so much better with it after they ripped it off
One of the most tragic lines in the book is "I have lost a friend and gained a worshipper." and it really came to life here.
A part in the film I absolutely love is when, after Paul defeats feyd and he is asked what the next move is, is the way he says: “lead them to paradise”. The emotion in his face seems almost sad, and the way he says it feels reluctant, like he doesn’t want it but it is the future he sees.
Totally. In the books it is called "The Golden Path".
@@drwho37 really hope eventually we’ll get children of dune, so we can see Leto II follow the true golden oath
Path*
He basically has lost control over his own creation at this point. The Fremen don't even bother to ask what their chosen one actually wants - it doesn't matter.
This is imho the prime lesson Frank Herbert tried to teach when writing this book: beware of charismatic leaders.
Paul's speech where he finally declares himself "Lisan al Gaib" is amazing. It hit me right in the feels.
I also reminded of Leto's lesson to Paul: "A great man doesn't seek to lead, he's called to it and he answers."
The antithesis of Dune is Rebel Moon.
Even in the use of slo-mo. There's only one slo-mo shot in Dune Part 2 and because of that it hits hard. Synder uses it every two minutes.
Dune is what Snyder thought he was making
Strangely, the actual narrative of Rebel Moon is what would happen if Paul was The Emperor. The entire Universe is subjugated and broken, due to fanaticism. However, there is no ideology inherent to Rebel Moon, unlike the danger associated with religious fervor which Messiah will have to tackle.
Rebel Moon is the Feyd-Rautha to Dennis's Paul.
Fr, Dune started a lot of popular sci fi threads and a lot of media references it
Rebel Moon copied everything from everywhere
The exceptional use of tension between Paul and his goal is what ends up really selling the second half of the film, to the point that when our protagonist becomes a genuine future-seeing prophet and the most powerful being in the setting, instead of reducing the tension it elevates it by demonstrating that this is absolutely not a good thing.
Chalamet really nailed the progression of the character. He’s a completely different actor after drinking the water of life. Absolutely fantastic.
This is perfect timing. I watched Dune 2 in theaters 2 days ago and it was amazing. There were so many moments where I smiled to myself because of how good this movie is.
Same! Haven't done that while watching a movie in a long time. Speaks to how good it is if a lot of just smile out of pure enjoyment.
Real, best movie of the decade
That is rough... You missed your chance to see Dune 2 in IMAX. There are some movies you just want to see in in IMAX. That was one of them.
@@TheGoonSquadd i did watch it in imax, dw. genuinely so fucking amazibg
The real test moving forward is how the audiense resonates Dune Messiah. It's DLC to finish Paul's Tragedy but we love tragedies like Hamlet so we'll see
That's all i wanna see. But it would be so cgi heavy i don't think they'll do it justice
That's all i wanna see. But it would be so cgi heavy i don't think they'll do it justice
The thing is, as someone who has read it,
It would be pretty boring if someone adapted it into film. Possibly, denis could save this by actually showing the Jihad, but other than the stoneburner scene and a few others, I think the action movie conditioned audience wouldn’t find it interesting.
@@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an I think it will appeal to what people loved about early season Game of Thrones, the endless plotting of characters. Game of Thrones didn't become must see TV because of the action, it came must see TV due to how the characters worked off each other. Messiah has the plotting in droves, the entire story is driven by basically the 3 villains, Scytale, Irulan, and the dwarf. Denis can make Messiah work by just leaning into that.
@@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an See, I also thought that about the Dune movies because the book is nearly half characters having internal monologues, but these are now some of my favourite movies. I still have doubts, but I want to see what Villeneuve can come up with.
The idea of elevating another character at the expense of another is perfectly fine - if executed well. And Dune 2 does exactly that.
If you want your character to be smart, they need to outsmart another - and that character must not be dumbed down to do so.
If you want an antagonist or protagonist to climb the power rank, make them defeat a character that's powerful - don't make that character weak.
The greater power of the obstacle, the greater the satisfaction and impact on the audience when it is overcome.
That's why we cheer when Paul defeats Feyd - because the movie has built Feyd into the menacing, sadistic, evil and powerful antagonist, and remains true to that until the very end.
Disney and many parts of the entertainment industry need to learn this lesson so much
Yep, Dennis also elevated the Bene Gesserit over Mentats or The Spacing Guild. It was intentional creative decisions to keep the movies focused.
Also you can't do it too often, or it loses its effectiveness. Cf. Worf effect.
When the credits rolled, the entire theater was frozen in place for like 5 min, nobody wanted to get up. People were so immersed into the movie, it was incredible.
Even this dumbed down story was too much for their two brain cells.
@@tomigun5180 what you prefer Rebel moon?
@@h.t.creatction5321 Well, you have to understand the difference. Rebel Moon wasn't dumbed down. It was always dumb.
@@tomigun5180 i don't know man i watched Madame webb for me Dune 2 was vaccination for me
This movie in IMAX was the best cinema experience I’ve had for a very long time.
Hear hear. For me it has been the best since Interstellar.
"Elvis Harkkanen" haha, I was wondering who the actor was playing that dude. That explained it for me without having to look it up. GENIUS
People saying that the battle was too 'one-sided' forgets that Paul can literally see the future now, so he makes ZERO mistakes. every move and strategy he does is based on the future where HE is the one who wins and the enemies lose - it's like playing chess against someone that already knows every single move you will do on the board; dude is too OP.
Yup. And quite a "curse of the gods" that is going to be...
Remember the Greek myth of Cassandra!
Another reason why the third act works pretty well for me is the setup for the next movie.
Yes, the emperor is portrayed as this all powerful individual, but as soon as the other houses arrive in orbit and decide to watch how the conflict on the surface plays out,
we realize that this almighty power is built upon the acceptance and support of these houses.
This, again, diminishes the power level of the (now defeated) emperor in relation to the other houses, while elevating the stakes for the upcoming battles off-world.
Finding an IMAX near me is like trying to find an open source of water on Arrakis.
I couldn't do it, and I couldn't even see it my local theater before they pulled it.
Damn...that sucks.
Same, there is only one theater near me and they have only 5 screens, which means they either swap out movies pretty quickly or don't show movies at all. I have miss out on seeing many movies I was really anticipating since they just never got shown. Seeing something in IMAX is an impossible dream unless I move in the future or I visit an IMAX theater while travelling.
In the state where I live, only ONE IMAX is available. That too, the only things that they show over there are dinosaurs and shit cuz it's located in a science park.
The movie was so worth it, I even traveled to another city to watch it in a cinema!
Saw both parts in IMAX 5 times, Denis Villeneuve gave us the best adaptation of Frank herbert's Dune novel
I agree my only gripe is the contrast in Chani, if you read the books you know how supportive she was the whole time and I don’t understand why Denis put such an emphasis on the gap between her and Paul as he progressed closer to being the messiah but it’s something I hope will pan out in the next movie
@@alexlehder482 I agree
People say you need to watch the first as a refresher before watching the second.
I implore people to *watch the first AFTER the second* so you can notice things.
I think that's an extreme stretch of words to say that "Better Help has tried very hard to be the most trusted..." anything. When you get fined by the actual FTC, it says a lot more.
For real, at this point seeing anyone take their sponsorship is a bit ... odd
unsubbed as soon as I heard that.
honestly what hit me most was Chalamet's performance. i wasn't sure he could pull it off, and he did. i was convinced. also, Villeneuve's brave changes to the original story were well-made, and he knew people would freak out over it.
I've long suspected that Villeneuve loves nothing as much as seeing people endlessly debate about what his film "meant" and why he made this or that shocking or unsettling choice in how he made the film...
He's an extremely talented master manipulator with a way of making filmgoers ask themselves "why am I feeling what I'm feeling after watching his film?"
@@PeloquinDavidbladerunner 2049 is a good example of this
I hated when people said Dune part 1 is incomplete when it literally said in the title part 1
It's incomplete though. Just slapping part 1 on it doesn't absolve that. Analyze its plot structure. There is no real third act. The problem of the first act is receiving the commission to arrakis and taking control of it. The problem of act 2 is how to escape the harkonen attack. That is the problem running all the way until the end where it is resolved by being accepted by the fremen. The fremen duel is not a third act, it is a single scene and is still properly part of act 2. There was not a denouement and introduction of a third act as can be seen by there being no release of the tension from the battle. Compare LOTR the fellowship: Act 1 goes all the way to rivendell, with the introduction of the problem coming when gandalf visits Frodo, and the climax of the act being the chase by the ringwraiths as arwen rides with frodo. Then the following scenes are calm and we establish new plot points and characters and a new problem for this act: they've gotta get to mordor as a team of 9. The climax is when the balrog and gandalf fall into the chasm. Act 3 begins with calm again, introducing Galadriel and by this point, if not earlier, establishing the uruk hai as an impending threat. The problem is the same. What was "resolved" in act 2 was that the problem changed: how do we accomplish the goal with fewer in the fellowship than we planned? Act 3 is comparably short and the climax is not merely the uruk hai attack but specifically Boromir sacrificing himself to protect the halflings after initially failing the test of power. The resolution is that the fellowship is broken up but it served the purpose of getting frodo and sam as far as they did.
It's a clear 3 act structure with periods of exposition, a problem to be faced, an extended sequence of conflict, followed by a sequence of emotional calm to separate each act from the next clearly. Dune 1 didn't have this. It had a short first act with no standard conflict (the climax is instead the test by the bene jesserit) and very long second act. That's why it's fair to say it was incomplete. Even though Fellowship was the first part of three, itb was still a complete film by itself. I hope this explained the issue to you
@cosmictreason2242 Part 1 was literally the first half of the book that why they said part 1 the fuck you kn about...it was meant to introduce the characters that why 1984 Dune failed because it crammed everything.
Now go watch Dune part 1 and part 2 together...you will appreciate it 👍
@@neoluthuli3254 And The Fellowship of the Ring is actually the first part of a very long book, and yet the film works perfectly as a stand-alone work.
@Ratchet2431 Oh remember when people said Dune was the most un adaptable book?
Denis did his best with part 1 say what you want now but these 2 films are perfect
@@Ratchet2431that's debatable, the reason I never went on to watch any of the other LotR movies was the moment when it finished and I'm like "is that it where is the end?"
The knife fight itself is like an ultra fast chess game. It's calculated and precised. That give the sheer new heights to the dynamics of both combatants.
This movie is the most complete experience one could ever wish for.
I know people praise IMAX, but I believe 4dx deserves some too. THAT worm ride? Felt like I was dragged along as well. Absolute blast! PS: DO NOT PURCHASE POPCORN!
I watched it on 4dx and it was too much and distracted me from the movie.
I almost fell off my chair watching that in 4dx
lmao wtf is 4dx
Yeah what is 4dx?
@@Hawk7886
Google it lil bro
the sound in the worm riding sequence is so worth going to the theatre for. it was worth it for my seat shaking!
Just got my dinner, and filmento drops this banger. Much love from South Africa Filmento!
same here, filmento videos and dinners make a great combo
Dune 2 is gonna sweep a lot of prizes during Awards season. I predict a clean sweep in Special Effects (VFX), Sound, Cinematography, and Director categories. It was just that good.
Don t worry Filmento, you are my Lisan al Gaib, my kwisatz haderach
I hope Denis Villeneuve gets to adapt RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA as soon as possible
Because no one is more perfect than him
The sooner he adapts this film, the sooner he works on Dune Messiah.
WIN WIN WIN!
Not Michael Bay?
@@kinghadbaryou meant Shyamayalan
Holy shit! He would do Rama justice!
this movie in Imax was the best cinematic experience of my life
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Great connection for game of thrones, i remember watching Battle of the Bastards, and feeling the suffocation, now i dont what its like to fight and get sliced or stabbed but suffocating not being able to breathe is pretty relatable and such a good twist to the battle
There is also some scenes in that battle where arrows, spears, and even horses, travel directly into the screen, which can cause you to jump in your seat, making you feel just how terrifying it can be to have so many chaotic things happening all around you.
BoB was ridiculous tho. That battle made litteraly zero sense.
Actual masterpiece. Been a long time since I’ve been blown away by a movie like that
Hey filmento, just wanted to check in and say thank you all the amazing, top teir content. Not only is it enjoyable but it's heavily entertaining. My favorite parts are the subtle references and jokes you throw in randomly haha. I hope you don't stop anytime soon!
The final battle should've been a bit bigger, longer, and the Emperor should've been more present, but besides of that, it's very good.
I have to say, the cqc scene at the end is quite thrilling, this felt real.
Loved the part where we are duning in the IMAX cinemas with our Dune popcorn bucket.
It's dunin' time!
What you dunin in the dune bucket 😮
yikes
The shift in pacing and how brutally one sided the third act is is honestly great foreshadowing to what Paul is becoming. It is made to make you question what comes next, how could anyone resist his forces, and what happens if he isn't a good person. And if we get more movies, we'll see exactly what happens.
I like how when he uses the voice it's like he's using Conqueror's Haki
Saw it twice in Dolby, once in IMAX. Oh Denis how I love your movies so.
The orchestral music feels heavy and I like it. Some reason, reminds me of Tenet.
i watched this movie at least 6 times in theaters. incredible work. i would tell ppl they had to see it in theaters. i’d describe it to ppl as cinema history and if you didn’t catch it on the big screen now you’d just regret it later.
Your reading of Dune & 2une, and perhaps the audience members you mentioned that do not grasp the deeper philosophical condemnation of our culture inherent within the Dune films and see them as "atmosphere" only serve to emphasize the purpose of Frank Herberts books, demonstrating perfectly how easily human beings can be manipulated, tricked, and controlled. Those that accept the elements of the storytelling at face value, and dismiss the significance of the beats in the film that are too complex for popcorn flick consumers add credence to the wariness Frank Herbert had for our culture's fascination with the heroic archetypes held in such high regard by our society. Dune isn't a hero's journey story in earnest. Dune challenges traditional notions of heroism by subverting and deconstructing familiar archetypes and tropes like the hero's journey, western films, and the religious texts we are familiar with. The characters in Dune are morally ambiguous, with conflicting motivations and allegiances that blur the lines between hero and villain. Yes, the Harkanans are villains, but so is Paul. The "prophecy" he fulfills and his astronomical rise to power were not organic. The Bene Gesserit (BG) have implanted prophecies and superstitions on Arrakis, including the Lisan Al-Ghaib prophecy, for insurance and to make it feel like a prophecy when it happens. The BG are known as "black arm of superstition" and have spent thousands of years breeding humans from important bloodlines to create a Kwisatz Haderach (KH) in Paul Atreides. This is Pauls "terrible purpose" that the books directly name dozens of times. And Paul is aware of this. He hurdles towards oblivion full steam ahead with the full knowledge that he is a synthetic Messiah for the Fremen who he is complicit in manipulating. Paul is more terrifying than the Harkanan who are also pawns in the Bene Gesserits plans playing their parts as the narrative's villains perfectly. If you see Paul as the hero, you've arguably missed the whole point of the Dune series.
To be fair, MOST people who have read the initial Dune novel (from the day it was published to today) also came away thinking Paul was the hero - very much contrary to its author's intent!
Though Villeneuve has made it a LOT harder to come away with that view, I was surprised that my own family members still came away making excuses for him...
But the story isn't over - as any reader of the extended series knows. Villeneuve is bound to deliver us a sobering end to the modern Greek tragedy that is Dune: the definitive destruction of a man through an arbitrary "curse of the gods" (without actual gods in the Dune universe) that no one can do anything to prevent - even with perfect foresight...
The only question is: will he finish the story with "Messiah"? or with "Children of Dune" (when its tragedy is revealed to be a multi-generational one like the original "Atreides" story in Greek mythology)?
I saw this movie and it just blew my f***ing mind!
im still getting goosebumps from watching Dune from here, what a movie
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Saw it 3 times in IMAX. Bought it. Watched it 2 more times. absolutely wonderful film. Generational @ that.
Speaking of GoT, you should do a review on Shogun!
Saw this movie three times in the theatre, they really nailed it. Of course some elements could have boosted the dynamic, like characters that were left out. But overall this is one of the if not the most authentic rendition of book to film I’ve seen in a while
Good lord this movie hit different.
What a ride, what an experience.
Saw this movie five times in the cinema, with the last viewing being the best of them. Watched it on the largest IMAX screen in the world and it was such an awesome experience! This is what cinemas are made for!
Hey Filmento, always love your content! Always excited for you every time you have a sponsored video, but just wanna say that BetterHelp has lots of controversy throughout the time 😢 wished you did some research prior to collaborations with brands. Keep up the good work tho!
The whole scene with the Emperor worked for me because it emphasised how Paul was changing the rules of the static society that the Emperor embodied. He and the Baron are scheming against each other, each making power plays that that in themselves are cunning and impressive. If Paul did factor into their calculations, they would anticipate "what happens if he joins our game?" But instead, he just flips the games table entirely by doing a string of impossible and unthinkable things.
I was rooting for thia video... then the better help sponsorship came out. The Internet never learns.
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for me this was an unfogettable theatrical experience 💌
This is the most deserving movie of a “film perfection” video
I remember another video making the same point as you about characters ranking relative to each others.
The video talked about sans undertale and wrestling.
I like what you’re dune with these videos
Seeing this in IMax was actually incredible. It was like being on a roller-coaster! I recently got a new Bose surround system as well and have watching it at home and let me tell you, the sound and score in that movie absolutely help MAKE that movie. I just finished reading the first Dune book last night (and have been a fan since childhood thanks to my dad and the David Lynch film) and I am obsessed with this version of the story. Film perfection is right.
Did the exact same thing, read the book over the last couple weeks and all of the story choices and cuts they made for the movie just make sense
The shot of Shai Hulud bursting thru the storm, Fremen on his back, to take out the Sardaukar is just... *Chef's kiss*
I don't think I've had that feeling if awe since the Return of the King. In fact, with a third movie in development, Dune has the potential to be a trilogy on oar with LOTR
Dune 1 and Dune 2 are amazing, and they are simply literally epic. Both a lot of movie, which I think Filmento captures. It's constantly bigger, better, and culminating!
You tought me everything I know about storytelling. I can’t wait to put it all into my craft❤
I loved the first Dune. The thing that I can't get over in Dune 2 is the fight scenes. Where did the personal shields go? The action was so much more difficult and interesting in the first film. And why was it so damn easy for the Fremen to win pretty much every battle? The problem with that is that they didn't come across as the oppressed underdogs. I was wondering the whole time how the Harkonnen were able to mine any spice at all. The Fremen seemed to have superior technology and fighting abilities.
Shields aren't used in the desert because they can attract a worm.
You must have missed the part where they explicitly say shield are a death sentence because they attract worms...
The scene where they destoy the harvest was so intenso for me, that i almost cryed. Serious dude, was freaking awesome to watch a so well made movie in these days.
Did you know The word Fedaykin is inspired by the word (Fedayi_فدائي), which is a word given to the Palestinian resistance fighters who resist the Israeli occupation,even the way they fight is similar because they are fewer in numbers and weapons
when the halo music hits when he talks about the negativity he received about his last dune video, I felt it.
finally, ivE been waiting for this
Sincerity and originality are due for a comeback.
The fact that Part 2 had an actual story and characters and non-verbal worldbuilding, as opposed to just endless slow-motion shots of sand and famous actors standing around in a circle, definitely helped.
The opening is..ACCURATE 😂
I actually loved your previous Dune video. It’s a shame to hear that it was so hated.
I saw Dune 2 in IMAX and I loved it. Thank goodness that Dune 2 exceeded my expectations.
Saw it twice in theaters. Fucking phenomenal.
The thing which makes the arena kill so much more impressive is that we know atreides fighters are among the most feared soldiers in the empire, and is probably more than capable lf delivering some serious damage.
Well, George R. R. Martin used Dune as an inspiration for Game of Thrones.
Bro basically everyone used Dune as inspiration.
Except caddyshack
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 says alot about how well Dune was written when it's that influential across so much different media
It was the best cinematic experience I've ever had, with Inception in a distant second place back in 2010 and maybe Matrix in 99. It was also the first time ever I went to IMAX and boy it was worth every penny extra.
Your videos are pretty funny and I like them
coolest scene was when in the big cave paul convinces everyone that he's the lisan al gahib
Bautista does a phenomenal job portraying the cruel cowardice of a weak man
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I recently watched Children of Dune miniseries (Syfy, 2003). Because I was so hungry for more Dune live action content. That’s also a really good show and lord! James McCavoy as Thimothee Chalamet’s son even though there’s like 20 years apart they do align with each other.
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Theaters should run both parts in IMAX back to back forever
Been waiting on this 😈
"Pale Elvis" destroyed me xD
THE LONG AWAITED VIDEO IS HERE.
As written
I watched dune 1 and 2 twice in one week. Been a long LONG time since i have done that.
I understand why it could of been complicated to flesh out the sardukar but it was disappointing they didn’t flesh out there skills and tactical strength they’re supposed to be the best of the best of the best raised on basically a planet that was like living in Alcatraz this story just has such a rich atmosphere but villnueve has done an impossible feat for sure
That Atreides soldier Feyd killed was someone good. It was Lt. Lanville. The Duke's body guard and Hallecks right hand man.
I almost always agree with you. When I disagree with you, it’s out of respect. Respect that was earned.
Dune Part 2 is visually a great film on its own, but a poor adaptation of Dune imo. All the departures from the source material didn't feel necessary to me, and made the resulting story worse than the original book. It also reversed several characters' motivations to add interpersonal drama where there wasn't any, and then removed interpersonal drama from where there actually was some originally.
The fighter is Lanville from the first movie. He was in Duke Letos vanguard so he was probably a pretty decent fighter and also a friend of Duncan Idaho.
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Hans Zimmer's music elevated the action sequences to an infinity level.
For me, the idea of the Fremen and Fedaykin is fucking cool. A bunch of desert people living on a scorching hot desert planet, but are also fairly technilogically advanced, as well insanely skilled fighters, is such a graat concept. The water suits are cool af, and seeing the Fedaykin emerge frim the sand and straight up rush their enemies is so badass