Please do a “Real Stannis Baratheon” video in the future!! It’s about high time he needs a detailed analysis to also help clear up misconceptions thanks to the TV adaptation!
I really like how you mostly just observe and point out potential differences between the book and movies rather than judging them, with the understandable exception of the fundamental nature of the story.
@@Ryuk45 so incredibly judgmental means pointing out things that doesnt fit the theme of the story now? shift did not even criticize the show much in his main channel
The biggest reason I love "Dune" story. Is the very simple act of one woman, throws the entire universe into a tailspin. Jessica giving Leto a son out of love. That single defiant act shatters the plans of the Bene Gesserit, the Imperium and Harkonnens. Arguably, the biggest players in the political arena. I feel like this movie is augmenting the story by these changes to the narrative. It's an uneasy and terrible burden to bear to be a "savior" especially to those you love and love you back.
@@Pierrespere-vm5of I detect hostility. Jessica was a Bene Geserrit Sister. Recruited, trained and tasked to birth a daughter for the Sisterhood. She betrayed everything dear to her; up to that point. All for the love of a singular man. This man happened to be a Duke and subsequently, both product and contributor to this breeding project. Lady Jessica was neither pathetic or simple minded. She stepped into it with eyes wide open. All for him.
@@Pierrespere-vm5ofLady Jessica is a Bene Gesserit. She is anything but pathetic. She can bend the will of just about anyone with her voice and is capable of altering her entire physiology down to being able to adapt her body to any poison and even determining the sex of her child. If anything, she is not serville to the system. She IS the system and she chose to shatter the whole thing by giving birth to the Kwazitz Haderach. All you see is the word "concubine" and immediately assume a pathetic servile position. Both thematically to the story of Dune and historically that is not the case. Go read a book and learn some history before you cast judgment like an uncultured brute
@@Pierrespere-vm5ofwell Jessica does fight the system and does it to a greater extent than anyone else and births and raises the one person who took the system and tossed it into the bin. By your description she should be admirable. Her choice to birth Paul is undoubtedly the greatest act of defiance against the system the dune novels present. It wasn’t Leto who subjugated her and made her into a concubine. It was the bene gessiret and the landstraaat’s politics. Otherwise Leto would’ve married her and says so directly but Leto is more of a slave to the system as you describe.
Dearest alt shift x, I come to your channel every couple weeks or so with great anticipation for a possible dune pt 2 video? Love your stuff, I’ve been watching for years. You’re awesome
I *really* hope they don't skip Jamis' funeral ritual. It's a powerful scene in itself, but also says so much about both the Fremen culture and Paul's personality.
Ehh do u really think it’s that important considering they’re super likely to skip over harah and the kids and they kinda already deviated (in a great way imo) Jamis’s impact by showing who he could have been to Paul through dreams/visions, I just don’t think I see them making time for it
@@joshuawilliams2427 Harah is the one character that I would have no problem with omitting. It's a lot easier to convey general cultural mores quickly with images, and Villeneuve has definitely proven that he can pack in tons of meaningful information in one shot. Paul's obligation to Jamis' family might require too much time to flesh out in one scene. Directly seeing exactly what happens to a body on Dune is way more important, IMO. We need to see faces in a movie, so it's probably worthwhile to balance out people walking around unmasked like total noobs with a reminder of exactly how precious moisture is there. I think it's worth the render time.
hard disagree, I f**king despised the first movie and am quite sure I'll feel similarly about the second. well, I despised it by way of applying high standards proportional to the budget and hype. as a finished product with no context, it's not terrible, just very mediocre. 5.5/10. in fact, I would score rings of power higher at a 6 or 6.5 because while it doesn't have a few standout characteristics of artistic achievement like dune does, ROP is a more functionally watchable product that delivers at least a low level of entertainment and engagement. dune 21 has garbage writing and pacing that manages to a baffling degree to feel like nothing is happening when on paper there actually is major plot going on. there is not a single engaging character in a plot that simultaneously seems to be simple and also is quite incomprehensible to viewers who don't already know it because the movie to an extraordinarily high degree arrogantly skips central plot and character debelopment, but then I also really did not care enough to try to understand because it was all so vapid. acting performances from practically all actors are very noticeably inferior compared to how they normally act. it has barely passable uninteresting drama-noise-music (typical for zimmer without williams, zimmer can't write melodies). the movie succeeds at visuals and atmosphere - although there it is a flagrantly derivative mixture of star wars and lawrence of arabia, which are both better, despite star wars not being all that great either. yes, I know that star wars is derivative of the dune books, but this dune movie is derivative of star wars movies. it just tries to hide it by leaning into being extremely boring so hard that it becomes a sort of unique defining characteristic among blockbusters, because it's an unreasonable choice that nobody else makes. cloud atlas might have had a similar oh-god-just-let-it-end vibe, but I don't think it was so thoroughly empty.
I think the choice to have Walken portray Shadam and depict him as an old, impotent man is very deliberate. We know he's still the big cheese in title, but can clearly see he doesn't really fit the grandeur of his title. So it helps communicate the same ideas as the books, but in a visual medium. We can't see his thoughts and won't be spending that long with him on screen. So a more faithful depiction would be watered down. A series would have the real estate to depict him as the paper tiger he ultimately is
Indeed. Film is visual, and simply telling everything about him is boring, so showing how he is as a character both in action and his physique gets that message out much quicker.
Great point. The Villeneuve movies do this a lot - favoring thematic clarity over strict accuracy. Like in the first movie the Sardaukar are in their white uniforms the whole time even though diagetically, they're supposed to be disguised as Harkonenn troops. It takes advantage of the fact that film is a visual medium to subliminally communicate how different they are and also how alien they are to the environment of Arrakis.
That's the thing, he wasn't a paper tiger, he could glass whole worlds. It's just that he, like everyone, were utterly dependent on the Spacing Guild and the Navigators were utterly dependent on Spice production, so that when Paul highjacked the system and held the Guild hostage everyone was automatically held hostage too.
Yep, everything not taking time away from the exposition needed for the elements necessary to understand the plot at all is the right decision, even if super-fans might be pissed.
me waiting for the full Dune breakdown comparing Pt 2 to the second half of the book slapped onto the first half so I can get 3+ hours of breakdown content. gimme my new fall asleep essay, my good sir Shift
I believe that all of the portrayals of Shaddam so far as an older man is to SHOW the audience how long he has lived. It would be difficult to have him look as young as the books and have the audience understand the complexity behind that.
I'm surprised to hear you say the harkonnen ships were inspired by armadillos, because I assumed they were meant to represent bloated ticks. For me it created a pretty meaningful visual as they left Arrakis. I even interpreted their attack ships as being flea-like; all of which I thought was perfectly fitting for those bloodsuckers. I guess I'll have to demote all of that to headcanon now.
Yes, it's very clear the inspiration for many of the Harkonnen vehicles (miners for example) are that of ticks. I believe the DP (greg fraiser) even says so in an interview.
Not sure if they'll show the glitz and glamour in the movie, but perhaps the simplicity and serenity shown in the Emperor scenes also shows a certain kind of privilege and luxury? The universe is cruel and desolate and the supposed ruler of it all sits in calm distance while horrible things are done in his name.
This is like a literary analysis paper in UA-cam format. I admire your formatting: a solid intro, detailed and referenced supporting content, and a fantastic conclusion which calls back to your thesis statement and references the supporting content. I think what sets your videos apart is your visual and literal sourcing of supporting text/images. This was especially apparent in your Game of Thrones breakdowns because you used different frames and text/dialogue quotations to weave a visual tapestry together that was ultimately zoomed out on at the end of your video. It both produced (visually) and re-enforced (thematically) the tapestry you wove during your analysis and frequently resulted in “mic-drop” moments (speaking in regard to your film analysis).
I never got into Dune until very recently and I've been thoroughly obsessed with it ever since. Dune Part Two is my most anticipated movie of this year and I'm so excited that it's just around the corner! Here's hoping it does well so Denis can adapt Messiah!
I love your channel and have for many years but wow I am just so grateful you are talking about the Arab roots of Dune and how the films is earsing that history. No one talks about this enough and gives the story so much more power when included. Thank you!
Well, they're not Arab "roots" they're commentaries on Arab fanaticism and how external leaders take advantage of them but lose control. Sort of like how the Soviets backed Baathists and the West backed oil monarchies. In the end the Arabs are fanatical and can cause death and destruction if enabled. That's what Frank Herbert predicted, it somewhat came true, and people want to erase it because it can be considered islamophobic, lol.
dune is absolutely my favorite book series of all time. as much as I wish they could just do a 1:1 port of the text to the screen, I understand why they can't and I actually don't mind the changes. All I hope for is to get to and hopefully past Children of Dune. I wanna see Miles Teg and Honored Matres on the big screen man.
for what it's worth i would LOVE to see you do breakdowns of shows like "the fall of the house of usher" - the way that you can break down every aspect of a show is so helpful for someone like me who doesn't always get the complicated stuff (or, more often, totally understands the plot and themes until the last couple of episodes that proves my theories completely wrong) benefits so much from your channel. Thanks for all the hard work!!
Whenever I describe DUNE to newbies, I just say, "The planet Arrakis is the Middle East, Spice is oil, and Paul is the White Savior who unites the desert tribes to make war on the rest of civilization." What keeps this formula from being offensive is that Paul is guilty and anxiety-riddled. He doesn't want his fate but he's hyper-aware that every choice is both his own free will and predestined.
No, 'Avatar' took the Dune story (a native people, in the way of mining 'Unobtainium' lolol), dumbed it down (like Star Wars did, in a different way), and turned it into a real 'White Savior' narrative. If you haven't seen Avatar I recommend watching it, so you can learn the difference
I love Villeneuve's Dune, but that last section on "Ya Hya Chouhada" reminded me that one of the things I disliked about it is how much the Islamic/Arab/Persian culture and history which inspired Dune is watered down or removed wholesale. Finding and learning more about all these varied and deeply thoughtful connections to the Islamic world was one of the most enjoyable parts of reading the book. Removing "Ya Hya Chouhada," with its connection to the Algerian War of Independence feels wrong to me. But I suppose as long as the film keeps faithful to the central themes of the book, the watered down vocabulary won't take away too much from my enjoyment. Really excited for Part 2 regardless.
Its kinda a shame but let's be honest.... would you keep overt Islamic elements in a piece of media you're making if you know that some parts of Islam have a very long and VERY vicious history of reactions to said media depicting. I know I wouldn't risk that.
I'm honestly happy many of those elements were removed. The Islamic / Arabic elements were often treated as simply exotic. It would certainly come across that way in a shorter movie too.
I think it's the right choice to make a conlang. While it helped build a realistic exotic world for western readers, which I do love, it is kind of strange how they're using Islamic/Arabic/Persian words on a distant planet in a distant time. I think if he could, Frank Herbert would have preferred to do what Villeneuve is doing now, to create a new conlang inspired by those ancient languages. I think it will ultimately have the same effect, if not more convincingly. But I do agree that downplaying the historical Arab and Islamic references in Dune is unfortunate, it adds so much depth to the story. I suppose it's for marketing reasons, the risk of a backlash from offending someone has never been higher than it is now.
Dope content like always. Cannot wait for part 2. As a long time fan of the books ( kinda one of my all time favs ? ) and native Arabic speaker, couple fun notes that I think you might appreciate if I may : "yahya chouhada " is more specifically referring to martyrs not only fighters :) ( which makes even more sense in the context of a holy war indeed ... ), Muad'ib can also be translated as : "teacher / educator / pacifier" depending if we add a specific letter in there or not.. often musing about how much Arabic digging Frank did, I bet loads more than accounted for haha Cheers.
Love your videos, can't wait for Dune part 2. Crazy how many people think this is a sequel and not a continuation, of the 1st film, though I do hope Villeneuve does do sequels.
He will do Messiah, though after that it is uncertain. He probably wants to do more than just stay on Dune for the rest of his career, but it would be nice for him to return with Children.
I’m holding my breathe waiting for the new dune video! The movie was so good and I can’t wait to just sit down and expand the universe with your video!
@@fonzarelly3154 he mentioned the GoT video was a big project and it's over 2 hours long... this next Dune video is probably taking a long time to write and record... fwiw the movie has only been out for a few weeks.
Just watched part 2 and EAGERLY waiting your videos on this movie. I think it was very well made, the changes were interesting. Especially with fenring. Im extremely excited for messiah, its my favorite. No pressure alt shift, ill wait a year for your perspective and editing if i have to
There is not another person on UA-cam that can explain everything pertaining to all the different movies / shows / series / biographies, etc etc etc. and I mean this with all my heart!! nobody, absolutely nobody explains it in the manner that you do. I know that I have said this in a similar manner, even though it has been sometime ago. And now I find myself saying this. It is long past time that I started supporting you financially. Truly, long past time. So I shall start supporting you. Dear God, you deserve it. Truly, you do!!
That "light hearted moment of dialogue" felt more low key menacing than light hearted. It looks like a lot of the action and Chani's expanded role are going to ferry in much of the mindful thought you're kidding from the book, and that can be done more quickly for a broad audience.
I think Paul's comment to chani about "doing what has to be done" is that he's gonna embrace being lisaan-al gaib and maybe that the holy war has to happen, and they're crying because they know what this will lead to (which is what Paul has been trying to avoid since his first vision of the war) and for chani she knows that this will mean the continued oppression of her people, and that even though this will be a means to an end they can't help but weep for those who will die and suffer as a result of it
Interesting thing about the emperor’s lack of rizz, it’s worth noting that most of Irulan’s costuming seems pretty extremely elaborate. It makes me wonder if the simplicity and austerity of this interpretation of Shaddam is ironic, a reflection of quiet expression of extreme wealth. Perfect fabrics, worn once and never again.
Good idea. With red short hair, not so youngish looking but not old. Cunning, careful and cruel visage. He would even look like he is related to Sting Feyd Rauta, sort of like his line of family, gene pool contributor ancestor. Which Shadam is because of all the Benegeserit mixing.
Yo weren't you planning on making a video about the philosophy of dune? I'm not tryna rush you or anything but that's the video I'm the most hype about.
After the incredibly book-accurate first film, I'm so hyped for this next one. Hopefully they can fit in more scenes about the sort of peripheral characters that they couldn't make time for in the previous movie, like Gurney's interactions with Paul. Maybe the recent box office successes of longer films like Oppenheimer can convince studio execs that fans will gladly watch 3+ hour-long films as long as the quality is there. Because so far, it is there with Villeneuve's Dune. :))
Wish they would bring back intermissions. They’re in so many of the old epic films, and I think would make a big difference. Apparently a part of it is how many showings you can do per day/during prime viewing hours. So it’s harder to get distribution or something
"Long live the fighters" was a line first introduced in the 1984 David Lynch film, and a rather iconic one form that mixed-bag of an adaptation. And is likely an homage to that more than anything else.
I always had the feeling that fremen was based on my people the Amazigh (Berbers). We both live in harsh desert climate with mountainous terrain that contains many caves we call them efri but Romans heard afri (africa) , great warriors and our name Amazigh means free men and now this city of Cartagh is very similar to the Punic city in North Africa Cartage. Nevertheless amazing movie enjoyed the first one very much and Alt shift x smooth voice explaining part 2 trailer just made me more excited!
@@Jason-gg4lmFrank Herbert spent time in Saudi Arabia in the desert. It was major inspiration for Dune. Especially the nomadic desert cultures and peoples. Heavily inspired the fremen. Bruh they go on a jihad, all of Pauls military titles are Arabic.
This is just top level content. I'd wished this video to come sooner but I feel like the quality would've been compromised so..... this is way better. Love all your videos my man❤. Also love the ocassional inclusion of words and phrases like "drip" and "space jesus"😂. To hear this kinda lingo from such an eloquent speaker is really amusing😅.
Oh my God!!! I had nooooo clue that in Fatboy Slim's 'Weapon Of Choice' song, the line: 'Walk without rhythm, and it wont attract the worm!' was a Dune-reference. My mind is blown!!!
Having read the book several times, I had often had trouble with previous depictions of this story, while fully understanding why putting everything, nuances, meanings, sometimes double and triple meanings: "Plans, within plans, within plans...", would've been nigh on impossible. The first theatrical release of DUNE had me thinking to myself: "Wait, that didn't happen there! Huh, what happened to...?" I sure you get my drift?😉 This latest iteration of DUNE hits more bullet points than any of the previous outings, and I enjoyed it, it was well shot/told, but you also see that it try's to include people who may not have any clue about the storyline: and I think it handled that well! I look forward to the next edition. And by the way, this vid was outstanding in the way which you explained the differences between the book and film. I thoroughly enjoyed it, excellent work! Kind regards.
That was so excellent! It explains the Dune universe as it has never been described. About 50 years ago, my brother told me about Dune, and said read it, it will change your life... and it did.
That first ship looks like a tick as well, but I see the armadillo resemblance. Paul's life is not a desirable one. Knowing what he's responsible for, and the weight of his actions, cannot be easy on anyone's mind. Let alone a young man. I can understand why he didnt want to go thru with his destiny
Just want to say, your channel has been awesome for diving into the lore of Dune! I hadn't read the book before the first film, and it really blew me away, so I had to read the books. I'm currently reading Children of Dune, and I can't wait to see Dune Part Two.
I think part of the opulence of the empire is in the ceremony of the change, where Hawat calculates the billions they spent on transport just for leto to sign a paper they will probably use some of this language in Pt 2
Loved your insightful synopsis. I would add one thing about the deviation of Chani's rejection of the prophecy. Chani was a very strong woman and inviting this line in the movie helps to amplify that,
I just want to say, after the film and your videos , I started reading up on the books. I am halfway through Heretics of Dune and it might be the best book since the first, although I have a soft spot for God Emperor of Dune. Thanks and please keep making these
@@karabomasibi2331 it sure be right up there as well.. have a blast ;) ( read in French so far, gotta have to read all of it fresh in original text now that my English is a bit better haha )
@@PalmGroveSoftware Same here, although the final parts of "Children of Dune" when Leto II's transformation hits is probably my favourite part in the entire series. Weird, creepy, awesome.
I can almost certainly guarantee that they removed jihad because of its current political connotation, which is sad because it also can be used to refer to an internal struggle to be a good person which encapsulates Paul throughout the series
I recall that in the book the exact nature of the trap set by the Harkkonens and Shaddam was well explained (though I can't remember the exact rationale now). In the recent movie it wasn't explained at all. Atreidies just moved to Dune then got randomly invaded a few weeks later.
@@countdowntorevolution9986 The trap was the use of "over-whelming" force in the form of the Sardaukar hidden within the ranks of Harkonnen troops. The Leto's troops could have handled the Harkonnen but with the addition of a fighting force with a Kill/Death ratio of 5:1 mixed in, they had no chance. The Harkonnen are the emperor's trap, using them as cover for getting rid of rival under the guise of ending a Blood Feud.
It was explained a bit in Part 1, when Leto told Jessica, "I thought we had more time"...In the book Leto suspected Arrakis was a trap, but he thought he had more time to recruit the Fremen on his side...which made some commentators believe that maybe Leto really was power hungry and had his eye on Shaddam's throne....Otherwise he could have declined to rule Arrakis, stayed and ruled on Caladan, and the Emperor would not have considered him such a threat
I can't wait to see the Jon Snow story. The material about "The real Tyrion Lannister" is one material that I have seen many times. In fact, this material persuaded me to read all the published books to the end and notice how the series has made a lot of characters like Tyrion, Stanis or Mance very shallow.
@@FadingVitals I know that they are different, i have read them all. He can go into detail about the differences and or simply focus upon the book/series.
This video doesn't point out that Rabban has a significant advantage over Gurney: he has mastered the ability to stand so incredibly still that he becomes invisible to the eye!
Im still annoyed by the shields not stopping fast attacks. as it is now they serve only to give colour indications when they are breached (which is everytime you hit'em as fast as you can)
we have to understand that some characters have expanded roles is more likely due to actor requirements in their contracts than much else. similar to how some actors require their faces not to be covered to some even playing roles where they cannot lose a fight.
it's not just that. In a book you can get away with certain characters being important to the story but doing very little and having having other characters just talk about them. Movies have less time to work with than books so characters we are supposed to understand need scenes to be involved in.
Duke Leto's final notion as he's dying of the Tooth's poison is a statement of Dune's theme of people shaping the environment and being shaped by it in turn; _The day the flesh shapes and the flesh the day shapes._ He found profound satisfaction in that knowledge, even as he ended.
I laughed out loud at 2 parts Kwizatz Haderach Gigabrain Space Jesus 🤣🤣💀 I think Denis is going to expand on parts that need to be expanded on and make enough changes to make sure people who haven't read the book can "get into it". After the first movie, I have full trust in him
im so excited for the real jon snow video. the real tyrion lannister and the real dune are some of the best two videos you have ever created. u do such thorough and amazing work. keep it up ily
Thanks for watching!
Continuing to work on the "real Jon Snow" video...
Please do a “Real Stannis Baratheon” video in the future!! It’s about high time he needs a detailed analysis to also help clear up misconceptions thanks to the TV adaptation!
seeing this upload actually just made my day, thank you m'lord🙏
super excited !! would also love a “real arya/sansa stark”
@@StormbornDragonyes! Either! Preferably Sansa
They're probably canceling that show eh? Since HBO cancelled their deal with George RR Martin
I really like how you mostly just observe and point out potential differences between the book and movies rather than judging them, with the understandable exception of the fundamental nature of the story.
Thanks! I try to let people form their own opinions. Also, I can't judge a movie I haven't seen lol.
@@AltShiftXthis “lol” reminds me of a certain Schwift, but you couldn’t be the same person. Facts just don’t add up
he's incredibly judgmental regarding ASOIAF content, he's been complaining his book headcanon wasn't applied to the show since 2016 lmao
@@Ryuk45ehh, he was more criticising the quality of the writing and the direction they went in
@@Ryuk45 so incredibly judgmental means pointing out things that doesnt fit the theme of the story now? shift did not even criticize the show much in his main channel
"How does it feel when your boyfriend is Space Jesus?"
These are the hard hitting lines I keep coming back to with this channel.
"Hopefully, other scenes will rizz up Shadam's drip."
It would have been more accurate to say "space mohammad" but it is what it is xD the youtuber at least seemed to have read dune
Yes, I love this line 👍
But this Space Jesus, kicks ace
Don’t make fun of prophets
"Rizz up Shaddam's drip". A sentence I never expected to hear.
The biggest reason I love "Dune" story. Is the very simple act of one woman, throws the entire universe into a tailspin. Jessica giving Leto a son out of love. That single defiant act shatters the plans of the Bene Gesserit, the Imperium and Harkonnens. Arguably, the biggest players in the political arena. I feel like this movie is augmenting the story by these changes to the narrative. It's an
uneasy and terrible burden to bear to be a "savior" especially to those you love and love you back.
Noble dynasties have the title for unmarried consorts. That sets the tone of the story.
@@Pierrespere-vm5of I detect hostility. Jessica was a Bene Geserrit Sister. Recruited, trained and tasked to birth a daughter for the Sisterhood. She betrayed everything dear to her; up to that point. All for the love of a singular man. This man happened to be a Duke and subsequently, both product and contributor to this breeding project. Lady Jessica was neither pathetic or simple minded. She stepped into it with eyes wide open. All for him.
@@Pierrespere-vm5ofLady Jessica is a Bene Gesserit. She is anything but pathetic. She can bend the will of just about anyone with her voice and is capable of altering her entire physiology down to being able to adapt her body to any poison and even determining the sex of her child. If anything, she is not serville to the system. She IS the system and she chose to shatter the whole thing by giving birth to the Kwazitz Haderach.
All you see is the word "concubine" and immediately assume a pathetic servile position. Both thematically to the story of Dune and historically that is not the case. Go read a book and learn some history before you cast judgment like an uncultured brute
@@Pierrespere-vm5ofwell Jessica does fight the system and does it to a greater extent than anyone else and births and raises the one person who took the system and tossed it into the bin. By your description she should be admirable. Her choice to birth Paul is undoubtedly the greatest act of defiance against the system the dune novels present. It wasn’t Leto who subjugated her and made her into a concubine. It was the bene gessiret and the landstraaat’s politics. Otherwise Leto would’ve married her and says so directly but Leto is more of a slave to the system as you describe.
@@Pierrespere-vm5of you are all over this comment section ranting goofily about concubines lol. Chill out.
Dearest alt shift x, I come to your channel every couple weeks or so with great anticipation for a possible dune pt 2 video? Love your stuff, I’ve been watching for years. You’re awesome
I *really* hope they don't skip Jamis' funeral ritual. It's a powerful scene in itself, but also says so much about both the Fremen culture and Paul's personality.
Ehh do u really think it’s that important considering they’re super likely to skip over harah and the kids and they kinda already deviated (in a great way imo) Jamis’s impact by showing who he could have been to Paul through dreams/visions, I just don’t think I see them making time for it
They are not going to include it my friend
@@joshuawilliams2427 Harah is the one character that I would have no problem with omitting. It's a lot easier to convey general cultural mores quickly with images, and Villeneuve has definitely proven that he can pack in tons of meaningful information in one shot. Paul's obligation to Jamis' family might require too much time to flesh out in one scene. Directly seeing exactly what happens to a body on Dune is way more important, IMO. We need to see faces in a movie, so it's probably worthwhile to balance out people walking around unmasked like total noobs with a reminder of exactly how precious moisture is there. I think it's worth the render time.
@@amarissimus29 once again like ehh ur probably right, I just don’t see it happening personally
@@amarissimus29 either way, I am a friend of jamis
AltshiftX is the hero we need, but not the one we deserve. Thank you.
AltSchwiftX is the hero we deserve.
@@rinmathews9337don’t say that name around here
@@rinmathews9337I was gonna say the same. I relate to schwift more, being a drunk myself
When comes finaly the WOKE-TRANS-GENDER-BLM-LBTQRXYZ%&/§$-DRAG-QUEEN-Leto?
Stop using that line just to say "I like Alt Shift X"
Films like Dune are the ones that gives us hope about the future of sci-fi movies and cinema in general.
No. When comes finaly the WOKE-TRANS-GENDER-BLM-LBTQRXYZ%&/§$-DRAG-QUEEN-Leto?
hard disagree, I f**king despised the first movie and am quite sure I'll feel similarly about the second. well, I despised it by way of applying high standards proportional to the budget and hype. as a finished product with no context, it's not terrible, just very mediocre. 5.5/10. in fact, I would score rings of power higher at a 6 or 6.5 because while it doesn't have a few standout characteristics of artistic achievement like dune does, ROP is a more functionally watchable product that delivers at least a low level of entertainment and engagement.
dune 21 has garbage writing and pacing that manages to a baffling degree to feel like nothing is happening when on paper there actually is major plot going on. there is not a single engaging character in a plot that simultaneously seems to be simple and also is quite incomprehensible to viewers who don't already know it because the movie to an extraordinarily high degree arrogantly skips central plot and character debelopment, but then I also really did not care enough to try to understand because it was all so vapid. acting performances from practically all actors are very noticeably inferior compared to how they normally act. it has barely passable uninteresting drama-noise-music (typical for zimmer without williams, zimmer can't write melodies). the movie succeeds at visuals and atmosphere - although there it is a flagrantly derivative mixture of star wars and lawrence of arabia, which are both better, despite star wars not being all that great either. yes, I know that star wars is derivative of the dune books, but this dune movie is derivative of star wars movies. it just tries to hide it by leaning into being extremely boring so hard that it becomes a sort of unique defining characteristic among blockbusters, because it's an unreasonable choice that nobody else makes. cloud atlas might have had a similar oh-god-just-let-it-end vibe, but I don't think it was so thoroughly empty.
@@Ass_of_Amalekand at what age did you have your first kiss?
@@Ass_of_Amalekgot a chatter box here 💀💀💀
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I think the choice to have Walken portray Shadam and depict him as an old, impotent man is very deliberate. We know he's still the big cheese in title, but can clearly see he doesn't really fit the grandeur of his title.
So it helps communicate the same ideas as the books, but in a visual medium. We can't see his thoughts and won't be spending that long with him on screen. So a more faithful depiction would be watered down. A series would have the real estate to depict him as the paper tiger he ultimately is
Indeed. Film is visual, and simply telling everything about him is boring, so showing how he is as a character both in action and his physique gets that message out much quicker.
Great point. The Villeneuve movies do this a lot - favoring thematic clarity over strict accuracy. Like in the first movie the Sardaukar are in their white uniforms the whole time even though diagetically, they're supposed to be disguised as Harkonenn troops. It takes advantage of the fact that film is a visual medium to subliminally communicate how different they are and also how alien they are to the environment of Arrakis.
That's the thing, he wasn't a paper tiger, he could glass whole worlds. It's just that he, like everyone, were utterly dependent on the Spacing Guild and the Navigators were utterly dependent on Spice production, so that when Paul highjacked the system and held the Guild hostage everyone was automatically held hostage too.
Yep, everything not taking time away from the exposition needed for the elements necessary to understand the plot at all is the right decision, even if super-fans might be pissed.
Walken is a grat actor... that being said, we'll see if it translates to the role.
me waiting for the full Dune breakdown comparing Pt 2 to the second half of the book slapped onto the first half so I can get 3+ hours of breakdown content. gimme my new fall asleep essay, my good sir Shift
I believe that all of the portrayals of Shaddam so far as an older man is to SHOW the audience how long he has lived. It would be difficult to have him look as young as the books and have the audience understand the complexity behind that.
This is so true
I'm surprised to hear you say the harkonnen ships were inspired by armadillos, because I assumed they were meant to represent bloated ticks. For me it created a pretty meaningful visual as they left Arrakis. I even interpreted their attack ships as being flea-like; all of which I thought was perfectly fitting for those bloodsuckers. I guess I'll have to demote all of that to headcanon now.
I like your analogy better.
I'm also adding this to my head cannon lol. It's actually very fitting
Yes, it's very clear the inspiration for many of the Harkonnen vehicles (miners for example) are that of ticks. I believe the DP (greg fraiser) even says so in an interview.
Not sure if they'll show the glitz and glamour in the movie, but perhaps the simplicity and serenity shown in the Emperor scenes also shows a certain kind of privilege and luxury? The universe is cruel and desolate and the supposed ruler of it all sits in calm distance while horrible things are done in his name.
It definitely feels more unnerving to be in a serene place helps to focus on the people and the hidden tensions.
This is like a literary analysis paper in UA-cam format. I admire your formatting: a solid intro, detailed and referenced supporting content, and a fantastic conclusion which calls back to your thesis statement and references the supporting content.
I think what sets your videos apart is your visual and literal sourcing of supporting text/images.
This was especially apparent in your Game of Thrones breakdowns because you used different frames and text/dialogue quotations to weave a visual tapestry together that was ultimately zoomed out on at the end of your video.
It both produced (visually) and re-enforced (thematically) the tapestry you wove during your analysis and frequently resulted in “mic-drop” moments (speaking in regard to your film analysis).
I never got into Dune until very recently and I've been thoroughly obsessed with it ever since. Dune Part Two is my most anticipated movie of this year and I'm so excited that it's just around the corner! Here's hoping it does well so Denis can adapt Messiah!
The real dune part 2 waiting room
I rewatched the explanation for the first trailer this morning and here is the explanation for the second trailer. Thanks a lot for your explanations.
Can’t wait for the “philosophy of dune”-video
It will be worth the wait 😀 @white.acai_berry
I love your channel and have for many years but wow I am just so grateful you are talking about the Arab roots of Dune and how the films is earsing that history. No one talks about this enough and gives the story so much more power when included. Thank you!
Well, they're not Arab "roots" they're commentaries on Arab fanaticism and how external leaders take advantage of them but lose control. Sort of like how the Soviets backed Baathists and the West backed oil monarchies. In the end the Arabs are fanatical and can cause death and destruction if enabled. That's what Frank Herbert predicted, it somewhat came true, and people want to erase it because it can be considered islamophobic, lol.
Can’t wait for the part 2 review video! Hope your able to do it. This has become my favourite channel sad it’s gone quiet
Waiting for ur dune 2 vid with as much anticipation as I had for dune 2 itself. Love your work!
dune is absolutely my favorite book series of all time. as much as I wish they could just do a 1:1 port of the text to the screen, I understand why they can't and I actually don't mind the changes. All I hope for is to get to and hopefully past Children of Dune. I wanna see Miles Teg and Honored Matres on the big screen man.
We need another "The real dune" for the book vs the second movie.
You did that video great!
for what it's worth i would LOVE to see you do breakdowns of shows like "the fall of the house of usher" - the way that you can break down every aspect of a show is so helpful for someone like me who doesn't always get the complicated stuff (or, more often, totally understands the plot and themes until the last couple of episodes that proves my theories completely wrong) benefits so much from your channel. Thanks for all the hard work!!
Waking up to an Alt shift X video? My day off to a great start
Whenever I describe DUNE to newbies, I just say, "The planet Arrakis is the Middle East, Spice is oil, and Paul is the White Savior who unites the desert tribes to make war on the rest of civilization." What keeps this formula from being offensive is that Paul is guilty and anxiety-riddled. He doesn't want his fate but he's hyper-aware that every choice is both his own free will and predestined.
Bruh calling Paul a White Savior is so dumb
No, 'Avatar' took the Dune story (a native people, in the way of mining 'Unobtainium' lolol), dumbed it down (like Star Wars did, in a different way), and turned it into a real 'White Savior' narrative. If you haven't seen Avatar I recommend watching it, so you can learn the difference
I love Villeneuve's Dune, but that last section on "Ya Hya Chouhada" reminded me that one of the things I disliked about it is how much the Islamic/Arab/Persian culture and history which inspired Dune is watered down or removed wholesale. Finding and learning more about all these varied and deeply thoughtful connections to the Islamic world was one of the most enjoyable parts of reading the book. Removing "Ya Hya Chouhada," with its connection to the Algerian War of Independence feels wrong to me. But I suppose as long as the film keeps faithful to the central themes of the book, the watered down vocabulary won't take away too much from my enjoyment. Really excited for Part 2 regardless.
I guess the more overtly middle eastern references were deemed too risky. I'd like to know how people from these countries feel about the book.
Its kinda a shame but let's be honest.... would you keep overt Islamic elements in a piece of media you're making if you know that some parts of Islam have a very long and VERY vicious history of reactions to said media depicting.
I know I wouldn't risk that.
This is exactly how I feel about it!!!
I'm honestly happy many of those elements were removed. The Islamic / Arabic elements were often treated as simply exotic. It would certainly come across that way in a shorter movie too.
I think it's the right choice to make a conlang. While it helped build a realistic exotic world for western readers, which I do love, it is kind of strange how they're using Islamic/Arabic/Persian words on a distant planet in a distant time. I think if he could, Frank Herbert would have preferred to do what Villeneuve is doing now, to create a new conlang inspired by those ancient languages. I think it will ultimately have the same effect, if not more convincingly.
But I do agree that downplaying the historical Arab and Islamic references in Dune is unfortunate, it adds so much depth to the story. I suppose it's for marketing reasons, the risk of a backlash from offending someone has never been higher than it is now.
Dope content like always. Cannot wait for part 2. As a long time fan of the books ( kinda one of my all time favs ? ) and native Arabic speaker, couple fun notes that I think you might appreciate if I may : "yahya chouhada " is more specifically referring to martyrs not only fighters :) ( which makes even more sense in the context of a holy war indeed ... ), Muad'ib can also be translated as : "teacher / educator / pacifier" depending if we add a specific letter in there or not.. often musing about how much Arabic digging Frank did, I bet loads more than accounted for haha Cheers.
Love your videos, can't wait for Dune part 2.
Crazy how many people think this is a sequel and not a continuation, of the 1st film, though I do hope Villeneuve does do sequels.
He will do Messiah, though after that it is uncertain. He probably wants to do more than just stay on Dune for the rest of his career, but it would be nice for him to return with Children.
I’m holding my breathe waiting for the new dune video! The movie was so good and I can’t wait to just sit down and expand the universe with your video!
I'm so waiting for the new Dune video that I check every day. Why is he making us suffer like this?
@@fonzarelly3154 he mentioned the GoT video was a big project and it's over 2 hours long... this next Dune video is probably taking a long time to write and record... fwiw the movie has only been out for a few weeks.
You don’t mention it, but when Paul says “Long live the fighters!” it sounds like he’s using the Voice.
For the hundred time dude, new Dune video PLEASE 🙏🏾.
Just watched part 2 and EAGERLY waiting your videos on this movie. I think it was very well made, the changes were interesting. Especially with fenring. Im extremely excited for messiah, its my favorite.
No pressure alt shift, ill wait a year for your perspective and editing if i have to
waiting for the whole movie explained now lmao
I like the Prometheus inspired production. Hope we see some awesome weather effects hurricanes, sandstorms and lightning to top Fury Road.
There is not another person on UA-cam that can explain everything pertaining to all the different movies / shows / series / biographies, etc etc etc. and I mean this with all my heart!! nobody, absolutely nobody explains it in the manner that you do. I know that I have said this in a similar manner, even though it has been sometime ago. And now I find myself saying this. It is long past time that I started supporting you financially. Truly, long past time. So I shall start supporting you. Dear God, you deserve it. Truly, you do!!
That "light hearted moment of dialogue" felt more low key menacing than light hearted.
It looks like a lot of the action and Chani's expanded role are going to ferry in much of the mindful thought you're kidding from the book, and that can be done more quickly for a broad audience.
I think Paul's comment to chani about "doing what has to be done" is that he's gonna embrace being lisaan-al gaib and maybe that the holy war has to happen, and they're crying because they know what this will lead to (which is what Paul has been trying to avoid since his first vision of the war) and for chani she knows that this will mean the continued oppression of her people, and that even though this will be a means to an end they can't help but weep for those who will die and suffer as a result of it
Just saw this in theater and honestly awestruck. Can’t wait to hear your opinion
The fight between Rabban and Gurney will be fun to watch, particularly because that'd be the one time where Jax will fight Thanos one-on-one.
*Drax
@@larrycolon7320 admit it, the thought of Jax from Mortal Kombat fighting Thanos I'd too good to be true...
Gurney's got a score to settle, he gonna carve that Beast up
Hope you watched the movie
Interesting thing about the emperor’s lack of rizz, it’s worth noting that most of Irulan’s costuming seems pretty extremely elaborate. It makes me wonder if the simplicity and austerity of this interpretation of Shaddam is ironic, a reflection of quiet expression of extreme wealth. Perfect fabrics, worn once and never again.
My theory is it's visually showing where the true power lies. The emperor sits on the throne but his daughter wears a crown
The rich like to appear poor. Look at fashion.
Fassbender would have been good emperor casting. Amazing video by the way, thanks for the wonderful work!
Agreed, he would definitely fit Shaddam’s book description better than Walkin but his performance will be wonderful nonetheless
Good idea. With red short hair, not so youngish looking but not old. Cunning, careful and cruel visage. He would even look like he is related to Sting Feyd Rauta, sort of like his line of family, gene pool contributor ancestor. Which Shadam is because of all the Benegeserit mixing.
I’m a simple man. When Alt uploads, I click.
Yo weren't you planning on making a video about the philosophy of dune? I'm not tryna rush you or anything but that's the video I'm the most hype about.
Waiting the part two analysis 🙏
After the incredibly book-accurate first film, I'm so hyped for this next one. Hopefully they can fit in more scenes about the sort of peripheral characters that they couldn't make time for in the previous movie, like Gurney's interactions with Paul. Maybe the recent box office successes of longer films like Oppenheimer can convince studio execs that fans will gladly watch 3+ hour-long films as long as the quality is there. Because so far, it is there with Villeneuve's Dune. :))
Wish they would bring back intermissions. They’re in so many of the old epic films, and I think would make a big difference. Apparently a part of it is how many showings you can do per day/during prime viewing hours. So it’s harder to get distribution or something
Well the current version of the film is over 3 hours long, so there's that.
When comes finaly the WOKE-TRANS-GENDER-BLM-LBTQRXYZ%&/§$-DRAG-QUEEN-Leto?
Book-accurate? They cut out basically everything about Yueh, dismissed Sardaukar disguises and blackwashed Liet, lol
@@Brandelwynyou can’t black wash someone who’s race isn’t mentioned
"Long live the fighters" was a line first introduced in the 1984 David Lynch film, and a rather iconic one form that mixed-bag of an adaptation. And is likely an homage to that more than anything else.
I always had the feeling that fremen was based on my people the Amazigh (Berbers). We both live in harsh desert climate with mountainous terrain that contains many caves we call them efri but Romans heard afri (africa) , great warriors and our name Amazigh means free men and now this city of Cartagh is very similar to the Punic city in North Africa Cartage. Nevertheless amazing movie enjoyed the first one very much and Alt shift x smooth voice explaining part 2 trailer just made me more excited!
I'm north African and I'm glad someone pointed this out!!
Yeah ok 😂
@@Jason-gg4lmFrank Herbert spent time in Saudi Arabia in the desert. It was major inspiration for Dune. Especially the nomadic desert cultures and peoples. Heavily inspired the fremen. Bruh they go on a jihad, all of Pauls military titles are Arabic.
absolutely. also the movies imitate lawrence of arabia.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 he actually based them on Southern Africa, so you're both wrong
I'm so glad I found this channel right before the second movie. Your videos and editing are so good! Congrats!
This is just top level content. I'd wished this video to come sooner but I feel like the quality would've been compromised so..... this is way better. Love all your videos my man❤. Also love the ocassional inclusion of words and phrases like "drip" and "space jesus"😂. To hear this kinda lingo from such an eloquent speaker is really amusing😅.
Oh my God!!! I had nooooo clue that in Fatboy Slim's 'Weapon Of Choice' song, the line: 'Walk without rhythm, and it wont attract the worm!' was a Dune-reference. My mind is blown!!!
Having read the book several times, I had often had trouble with previous depictions of this story, while fully understanding why putting everything, nuances, meanings, sometimes double and triple meanings: "Plans, within plans, within plans...", would've been nigh on impossible.
The first theatrical release of DUNE had me thinking to myself: "Wait, that didn't happen there! Huh, what happened to...?"
I sure you get my drift?😉
This latest iteration of DUNE hits more bullet points than any of the previous outings, and I enjoyed it, it was well shot/told, but you also see that it try's to include people who may not have any clue about the storyline: and I think it handled that well!
I look forward to the next edition.
And by the way, this vid was outstanding in the way which you explained the differences between the book and film.
I thoroughly enjoyed it, excellent work!
Kind regards.
That was so excellent! It explains the Dune universe as it has never been described. About 50 years ago, my brother told me about Dune, and said read it, it will change your life... and it did.
That first ship looks like a tick as well, but I see the armadillo resemblance. Paul's life is not a desirable one. Knowing what he's responsible for, and the weight of his actions, cannot be easy on anyone's mind. Let alone a young man. I can understand why he didnt want to go thru with his destiny
Just want to say, your channel has been awesome for diving into the lore of Dune! I hadn't read the book before the first film, and it really blew me away, so I had to read the books. I'm currently reading Children of Dune, and I can't wait to see Dune Part Two.
When Schwift and Glidus are on Holidays, count on Shift to save the day! Thanks for your work!
I anxiously await your analysis of Pt 2
Who is here waiting for Dune part 2 explained?
Still waiting
I’m here for part three
After just watching Dune Part Two, I'm impressed with how spot on you were with a lot of things
Shaddam's drip was indeed not rizzed up
I wish you made videos for all the topics I'm interested in. I love the way you organize your content and your voice is nice to listen to!
Thank you for the video and making me aware of Aurelien Police. His artwork is ... transcendent ... and inspiring .
AltShiftX is the GOAT. Amazing video as usual, thank you!
I love how Shift days Dune. DYOON. It’s great. Love your work!
The correct way of saying it
God this must take so long to make, so much detail. Amazing, thank you!
Waiting for the Dune Prophecy Trailer Explained 🤚🏻
I think part of the opulence of the empire is in the ceremony of the change, where Hawat calculates the billions they spent on transport just for leto to sign a paper
they will probably use some of this language in Pt 2
That was such a great scene lol
Me when alt shift x uploads 🎉
Now that part 2 is out will you be making a big video analysing and comparing it like you did for part 1? :)
You’re the best and I miss your more frequent analysis videos (like this one)
Loved your insightful synopsis. I would add one thing about the deviation of Chani's rejection of the prophecy. Chani was a very strong woman and inviting this line in the movie helps to amplify that,
This channel had so much potential.
I just want to say, after the film and your videos , I started reading up on the books. I am halfway through Heretics of Dune and it might be the best book since the first, although I have a soft spot for God Emperor of Dune. Thanks and please keep making these
God Emperor be the one for me :)
@@PalmGroveSoftware I dig it too, but Heretics is hitting for me and I am not even done with it
@@karabomasibi2331 it sure be right up there as well.. have a blast ;) ( read in French so far, gotta have to read all of it fresh in original text now that my English is a bit better haha )
@@PalmGroveSoftware Same here, although the final parts of "Children of Dune" when Leto II's transformation hits is probably my favourite part in the entire series. Weird, creepy, awesome.
Love when alt shift uploads I love all the same things he does
I can almost certainly guarantee that they removed jihad because of its current political connotation, which is sad because it also can be used to refer to an internal struggle to be a good person which encapsulates Paul throughout the series
plsssss make a video about the differences of the second film and the books plss
I believe the book said Stilgar wounded Glossu Rabban when he led a force to kill the Fremen. The Fremen then hacked him to pieces.
ive been waiting for a year for an update on the philosophy of dune video, glad its still happening!
I recall that in the book the exact nature of the trap set by the Harkkonens and Shaddam was well explained (though I can't remember the exact rationale now).
In the recent movie it wasn't explained at all. Atreidies just moved to Dune then got randomly invaded a few weeks later.
Leto was gaining in popularity within the Landsraad and Shaddam was worried that he could make a claim for the throne as he has royal blood
@@priorityecko4989 I understand the motive.
I said I didn't understand the trap.
Why appoint Leto lord of Arrakis then kill him?
@@countdowntorevolution9986 The trap was the use of "over-whelming" force in the form of the Sardaukar hidden within the ranks of Harkonnen troops. The Leto's troops could have handled the Harkonnen but with the addition of a fighting force with a Kill/Death ratio of 5:1 mixed in, they had no chance. The Harkonnen are the emperor's trap, using them as cover for getting rid of rival under the guise of ending a Blood Feud.
It was explained a bit in Part 1, when Leto told Jessica, "I thought we had more time"...In the book
Leto suspected Arrakis was a trap, but he thought he had more time to recruit the Fremen on his side...which made some commentators believe that maybe Leto really was power hungry and had his eye on Shaddam's throne....Otherwise he could have declined to rule Arrakis, stayed and ruled on Caladan, and the Emperor would not have considered him such a threat
Cant wait for your DUNE Part 2 review!
I can't wait to see the Jon Snow story. The material about "The real Tyrion Lannister" is one material that I have seen many times.
In fact, this material persuaded me to read all the published books to the end and notice how the series has made a lot of characters like Tyrion, Stanis or Mance very shallow.
is Tyrion resemble Thanos or Drax or Aquaman?!? Which one?
19:03 , the cones of dunshire reference tho. President Ben Waytt is everywhere.
I would love this dune like explained videos for Foundation!
Foundation series has nothing to do with the books!
@@FadingVitals I know that they are different, i have read them all.
He can go into detail about the differences and or simply focus upon the book/series.
Thanks!
Love your breakdowns!
Alt Shift X has made Dune one of my favorite sci fi stories. Excited to see where this movie goes
This video doesn't point out that Rabban has a significant advantage over Gurney: he has mastered the ability to stand so incredibly still that he becomes invisible to the eye!
I'm already excited for a fan edit that puts both films together so I can watch the ultimate Dune film
Im still annoyed by the shields not stopping fast attacks. as it is now they serve only to give colour indications when they are breached (which is everytime you hit'em as fast as you can)
I thought they they did stop fast attacks in the movie ??
we have to understand that some characters have expanded roles is more likely due to actor requirements in their contracts than much else. similar to how some actors require their faces not to be covered to some even playing roles where they cannot lose a fight.
Hollywood is ridiculous
it's not just that. In a book you can get away with certain characters being important to the story but doing very little and having having other characters just talk about them. Movies have less time to work with than books so characters we are supposed to understand need scenes to be involved in.
As someone who hasn't read the books, watching this and gaining a better understanding has made the films even better for me!
Herbert's visions of power and charismatic leaders could not be more relevant now.
Duke Leto's final notion as he's dying of the Tooth's poison is a statement of Dune's theme of people shaping the environment and being shaped by it in turn; _The day the flesh shapes and the flesh the day shapes._ He found profound satisfaction in that knowledge, even as he ended.
Hello sir, I was wondering if there was a dune 2 explained video coming out soon since the movie was released? Thank you
I just found your channel, I hope you haven’t forgotten on the second Movie Explanation. Love your videos
I laughed out loud at 2 parts
Kwizatz Haderach Gigabrain
Space Jesus
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I think Denis is going to expand on parts that need to be expanded on and make enough changes to make sure people who haven't read the book can "get into it".
After the first movie, I have full trust in him
Just got my dream job, and you just dropped a new video. I’m not sure which I’m more excited about
Yeah but where is Alia? Her role in the final scene of the book is one of its most chilling.
im so excited for the real jon snow video. the real tyrion lannister and the real dune are some of the best two videos you have ever created. u do such thorough and amazing work. keep it up ily