i would rather see swerve or joe win it but yeah comedy MJF is running its course with me. I still like him as a talent but man. WWE better snatch him up or aew will have him opening the show every ppv as world champion.
It's both. TK probably never had both growing up. His dad gone always working, some rich kid probably noone could stand. So now he buys his childhood heroes and "friends" to hang out with him
I was always skeptical of this storylines. I don’t care what anyone says, this stuff with Cole has been the lamest and least impressive work that he’s done.
Cause TK has no real vision has no no idea what he's doing ..atleast Vince would try even if it was a shit lame gimmick..you needto make people stand out
Exactly. Jay's issue in terms of performance credibility is not his body or his moveset, it's his look and his speech/promo. He is deathly boring to look and listen to, bringing none of the theatre that we need and expect from pro-wrestling (which let us remember, is essentially a cirque art). Also, the Kiwi voice is naturally affable and downbeat and monotonous, it's difficult to make it sound menacing (only Lucy Lawless has ever done it right).
Punk destroyed MJF on the mic, the less famous Miz line haunts him to this day. Don't give MJF too much credit, he's great, but he's not as good as Punk
He's not bad,, good in ring but i think the problem is a lot of guys who are "good in japan" just don't translate well over here. Omega, white, hell Johnny ace was over in all japan)grante mostly due to mrs baba) It's one thing if you have a vader or bigelow or someone that size and maybe you have someone talk for them to build the monster. But a lot of these guys never went to wwe or wcw or something like that. You can tell the difference between Juice and Jay. Juice was in nxt for awhile so he probably got to work with a lot of the performance coaches there. Hence why he has a character that works right now. I think Jay white looks fine a bit skinny true but serviceable. I am more like why did joe get one shot and like yeah i am done. same thing happened the starks. Like the ones i wouldn;t mind getting another shot or having a longer program with Mjf lose once and then respect them. anyway. i think its just a styles clash. in japan it is very much an art form. the fans are quite and appreciative of the performance in the ring. over here you need promo skills and a character that people want to see.
That's wht wrestling is calling your opponent something lame and cringy and then fanboys act like it's over. Smfh.wrwstling sucks so bad has for 20 years
You're clearly failing to understand why MJF called Jay tofu. The point MJF was making is that Jay has nothing going for him and that he has no identity without attaching himself to the Bullet Club brand. That's why he went on to call Jay a bland talent that has to depend on the Bullet Club hype to have any relevance, just like tofu is made to simulate real food.
I rememebr when Brock said "we're tryig to turn chicken shit into chicken salad" on his season of TUF and it always made me and my wife laugh. All these years later, I'm guessing he got it from Corny when training at OVW!
Honestly, "tofu"? And make people chant this? This MJF is a joke, I can't believe the "devil" is now this childish clown. Still hope the masked guy is a counter to Cole's betrayal.
MJF is starting to look TOO BIG for AEW. Only really Cody and Punk where able to hang with him when it came to promos and presentation. He needs to leave. If he stays he will keep getting stale.
Eddie Kingston could cut a good promo on MJF, so could Christian. There are still guys on the roster who could have great promo segments and matches with him, but AEW booking is so inconsistent that you can be sure that neither of those will be involved with him anytime soon.
I did find the clip after I heard this earlier because I thought that too. His clothing made him look strangely small. But yeah he's normally above average.
Yeah could definitely be shorter, but dude is good on the mic. Also, he’s very lean but ripped. So comparing his physique to Cole’s is pretty dumb. I think Jim and Brian need to step away from wrestling for a while. They’re basically Star Wars fans at this point. They hate everything.
Based on recent Collision ads for tickets, the poster has Edge & Bryan Danielson front & center with the biggest pictures. Jay White is slightly behind them with Christian, FTR, Miro and others.
@@bladepvpz3015 Did you forget about how he absolutely destroyed Cole on the mic before their first match? Or how Joe murdered him and he still won the match? Or how he made fun of The Righteous before their match then made them look like idiots by beating them clean in a handicap match?
@@bladepvpz3015 I love MJF as a wrestler and a character, but this is where the booking and scripting (if we're saying AEW has no writing team but they have to at least have a program that lines out their segments) come into play and trivialize the work people put in. With a more competent script, MJF would be TRADING barbs with his opponents, not stand there on 10 minute tirades completely breaking down his opponent's credibility while they just stand there and smirk. Because congratulations, we now have to rebuild MJF's opponent using the feud itself as a base because MJF made them look silly before the feud even started.
@@BBoy4040 yea this was a strange approach by Max like he felt threaten by Jay White. Man, I would have loved a jay white cm punk feud to build him up.
When Edge is bigger in size than 90+% of the wrestlers basically on the planet, then Pro Wrestling is nothing more than average people doing stupid shit.Hornswagall could have competative and believable matches with most of the guys.
@@richardsmith9615 Yeah, and? 1/100 isn't rare when you think about how many hundreds of people are out there. And that's assuming Edge is even a legit 6'5, rather than billed at 6'5.
You think Jay is gonna kick out of everything, have you been watching MJF lately? Dude has been like a mini super Cena lately especially when he’s supposed to have a “bad neck”
.....have you ever seen a Jay White match? Some of you guys need to actually watch wrestling instead of listening to a dude complain about it. Maybe go watch the 56 minute tag match between FTR and Jay White & Juice. Watch Jay White vs Alex Shelley it’s on UA-cam. He’s not a spot guy
Yup, they know MJF would cook them in a promo battle. Can you imagine Twinkle Toes trying to go toe to toe with MJF on the mic? Good lord it would be a massacre.
Its pretty sad if your best talent can, without much effort, cut a promo that makes their opponent's flaws a legit reality and you suddenly lose interest in them.
Depends on the wrestling fan listening. I really don’t care about explosive promos or over the top mic skills. I’m a wrestling fan. It’s about the work during the match for me. I honestly can’t remember a fantastic MJF match. His matches are forgettable Most people who like promo talkers are like that in real life. All bark no bite. That’s why they love the promo guys. It’s a reflection of what they are
@@csharp57 MJF is a great worker. His matches aren't gymnastic spot fests for the most part, but they're good. In terms of great promos being bad in ring, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, The Rock, Mick Foley, the list goes on of great promos who had constant great matches.
@@maxxdahl6062 you e drones are so out of touch with reality. WWE have wasted great talent before AEW existed and still do to this day. AEW allow much creative control than WWE and MJF has Tony by the balls because he's consistently had the highest rated segments. If you think he isn't choosing to be presented this way, you're delusional
Now I usually agree with Jim and Brian’s assessments but they were overly critical on Jay White here. His promo wasn’t that bad and I’d go as far as saying he’s got the best physique in AEW. Can’t understand how they’re comparing him to Adam CoIe. I don’t get the hate here
I agree i think Jay White has fire in a promo and looks good but i think Brian has a point, Jay kinda said a lot of nothing. Maybe they like Juice so much they overlook Jay? Idk but I also think Juice is the better overall wrestler. Class babyface back in the day.
And it's crazy because he's their WORLD CHAMPION. He's what everyone should be talking about. I don't get it. Why isn't he in a feud with Wardlow or even Brian cage. Those are the guys that should be in the heavyweight picture, because at least they look heavyweight and could give MJF and definitely the fans something to care about.
MJF shouldn't be in this comedy garbage with Cole. MJF is a true heel and needs to stay that way. Get him away from Cole. Let Cole go back to his Elite buddies and stay midcard with them.
The last few months have shown me that Punk is a nicer guy than we thought, because he could’ve called MJF a less famous AND a less talented Miz. MJF has only one promo!
Miz is just a watered down PG version of MJF. I can’t even name you a single classic, memorable, main event match that Miz has ever been in. The only memorable things about Miz have been either cringe & hokey or were instances where Miz was given some goofy WWE script and over-performed with it.
it's boring because he has no one worthwhile to feud with, he needs someone like Punk or Cody but they're both gone. It's more a roster issue than MJF's fault
0:55 Right and I like what they do in Japan like the UFC. You just got done trying to basically assault a human being let's put a mic in front of you. Thats what Jay White did in Japan is after this 30 minute match talk into this mic. Here in AEW we have 10 minutes to fill go out there in a half empty arena
Jay is not a bad promo, but he drones on too long. Re: his physique, he’s very lean with abs. So if you’re not seeing them, he looks mediocre in normal clothes.
reading these comments, you would think jay white's a jabroni. He will adapt, I'm sure. We missed out on a career defining jay white cm punk feud so it's a bit early for jay.
I don't disagree with anything that Jim and Brian have said about Jay White. However, I'm honestly over MJF as world champion and wouldn't mind a title change. MJF is great. Dude got freaking kangaroo kick over. But I'm just not feeling this face turn and "bro-chacho" stuff with Adam Cole. I'd rather see them take a chance with White and let Bullet Club Gold be the lead faction for a change until a better, unoccupied babyface emerges. Or, and this is a longshot- let Swerve beat MJF for the title.
MJF is gold but all the comedic stuff made him less than championship material He should be the top guy but the ball was dropped somewhere The title needs a new champion Because if you look at what's going on the RoH tag titles are more important and more prevalent than the world title Jay white is a the best thing going in AEW and he deserves the belt Also his comedy stuff is working because it's a heel faction filled with nutjobs who are simply too good to ignore and too dangerous They got a cardboard cutout over without sacrificing any credibility MJF got a lot more popular as an act but lost some credibility as a champion
This is prolly the worst take I’ve heard. Jay White is money and he’s been like this for some years now. Him and Bullet Club Gold have been great for collision and his physique is not even close to Cole
He was okay, nowhere near as bad as Brian makes it sound. I thought it was a decent segment, not great but not embarrassing. Just not Championship calibre obviously.
As much as I love MJF and always will, MJF vs Jay White might be one of the saddest championship PPV main events I've ever seen... Tony needs to enter rehab.
@@Teddy42OI got a feeling that one's happening at winter is coming if MJF retains against White... Wardlow looked a bit heelish out there the other night... and MJF can get his win back against him
remember when u built up ur opponent and made them look good coming out of the rivalry , Now we just completely tell the truth and bury the wrestler in his face ??? Wtf
Funny I got into with a Mark yesterday on Facebook.... he swore Jay is better than Juice... juice is boring and Jay is the reason why juice is over 🙄🙄🙄
@@randallallgood8661 Where's the lie? Juice was irrelevant before jay white showed up, you do realize he was sign long before jay, right? I don't get how people sleep on jay white, but you do you.
This. Jay has mostly been wrestling in Japan. Juice was trained in NXT on promos and character and thing and has been in America a lot longer. He’s more ready for a tv show wrestling persona than white is.
I don't get this sudden love for Juice and people wanting him over Jay White. He's funny (and just annoying, sometimes) but that's it. Just decent on ring and on promos.
I am very surprised by JIm & Brian's take here. I thought Jay won this round pretty emphatically. Also, it is objectively wrong to say he doesn't have a good physique. I have no idea how y'all came up with that.
MJF needs serious😢 competition. He's becoming a joke. A cartoon villain. Don't forget, White was part of the best tag team match against FTR. When was the last time MJF had a memorable match since Punk ?
@CalSaurous does it matter? It was an all time classic and ofc it was gonna go long it was a 60 min broadway, we all knew that and it didn't take away frm the match Oh and if u want great mjf matches since punk I'll gladly name many
@@reubenelite go name many then. I'm sure Meltzer gave them all 5 stars. And what's the point in sitting and watching a 60-minute match where only the last five-minutes matter? I'd much rather have watched an MJF and Bryan match that was 20-minutes and the decisive pinfall could've happened anywhere.
Seriously shocked that Cornette hasn't jumped all over Tony Khan saying that if he dies suddenly...he's informed his Father to put Daniel Bryan in charge of AEW"....and NOT one of the EVP's. Soon as I read that, I was expecting a 40 minute vid..guess not.
@Tikthrair I don't listen to every single video Jim uploads so apparently I missed the other 10 times. Can you tag me with a timestamp on all the other 9 videos he's said it?
Seems like anyone TK signs over from WWE was over because of WWE. Anyone that WWE signs over gets bigger than they were in AEW. But Tony's paychecks still cash, so there's that.
@@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact the guy I was originally replying to said everyone who comes from AEW gets bigger when they come to WWE. Cody was in WWE before AEW and then went back, which isn't the same That's Why I asked him for examples. It matters that the list is small because his comment is bs. 2 of the only people to jump from AEW to WWE haven't even debuted yet and one is barely used on NXT
Starks is a star. But keeps switching between heel and face. AEW is so disorganised with how they place their talent, and with ROH there, I dunno what's going on half the time. Bt least I see lots of titles - which is always great and doesn't devalue any of them.
MJF is a comedy babyface now. Whether he switches back later or not it’s been a significant amount of time and about a year since his last good promo. I’m getting tired of Jim talking like it’s not his fault, he’s not going along with it, it’s just bad booking, he’s the greatest heel. He’s a cringey goofy comedy act and he loves it.
@fwef7445 Its his fault that he exposed himself as just another wrestling mark who loves everyone backstage. It's his fault that he is copying The Rocks promos every week. It's his fault that everyone knows he isn't a real heel. It's his fault that he tweets out the most cringe babyface tweets or had to interject in every discussion and stand up for his little friends. He has ruined his reputation as a real heel and he will never get that back now. Some people could buy into him being an actual asshole because he lived that. Not anymore! Everyone knows it was fake
Now this is a build and storyline MJF should be in, not bad comedy skits with Adam Smol and Big Show. MJF/Jay White is a money match. The only problem with this was that MJF utterly destroyed Jay White in this with Jay White's only comeback was using every catch-phrase and nickname he had.
Honestly that's not true, Jay really got in his head, he didn't spend 8-10 minutes calling him boring using a whole other way. Jay got straight to the point and carried it and got in MJFs head.
I think the problem with Jay's promos as compared to the ones he did in NJPW, are that he's not accomplished anything in AEW to back up all the hype. In NJPW, he had already achieved a lot, which meant that there was a stronger aura of legitimacy around his promos. In AEW, he's done nothing of note, so far, and hence his words ring hollow.
He defended his title at all in and he defended it at grand slam. He defended his title once a month, and he appears on tv every week and wrestles matches more often as well. Do you want him to defend his title every week against random jobbers like how rey fenix is doing with his international title?
Like said Aew made MJF the worst champion company history and not MJF fault but is it can't be devik favorate son to being gay buddies with Adam Cole ...just garbage then giving there clowns all these goodwill belts
Yeah White can talk a little long, but critizing his body is pretty weak in my view. He's tall and his body weight is distributed very evenly. He's cut and he has the ability to man handle most guys. So I think Jim goes off the rail a bit sometimes. White needs to adapt to not being in Japan where he did alot of talking in ring but no face to face like in US.
3:43 sorry--how exactly has Jim with all his decades of experience in the business missed the homoromantic/homoerotic drama subtext of all professional wrestling to exist? Seems like a massive oversight or lack of awareness and genre savvy.
Everything with Roddy, Cole, and MJF has nuclear go-away heat with a lot of people. The fact that they had to show that segment twice this past Monday for a busted audio feed was totally unnecessary.
Love Jim but he poops on everything it’s almost impossible to impress him. Jay white has a good physique he’s a good promo this segment was good and the match will be good. That’s it
This past Dynamite wasn't much better, except for the Juice intro. 2 long-winded beat down segments, and an Edge promo that should have opened the show.
If they keep MJF as a comedy act I prefer Jay White as champion.
Bring back pipebomb MJF!
i would rather see swerve or joe win it but yeah comedy MJF is running its course with me. I still like him as a talent but man. WWE better snatch him up or aew will have him opening the show every ppv as world champion.
Jay White himself has become a comedy act by carrying around that cardboard cutout of himself and treating it like it's an actual person.
@@adamandannathe young legend?
It's either friendship issues OR Daddy issues that's AEW storylines
gee, I wonder why that would be.....lol
It's both. TK probably never had both growing up. His dad gone always working, some rich kid probably noone could stand. So now he buys his childhood heroes and "friends" to hang out with him
"Same old shit, same old shit" is what I've been screaming for years
mangst wangst no-one's arsed. either kiss on camera or shut up
Lol so Christian and his weird father figure gimmick and his oh so famous line "Your Father's dead" is something out of Tone Locs subconscious?
The way Roddy calls for Adam is like how i would call out to embarrass one of my friends in public and they pretend they don’t know who I’m talking to
Jay White has a good physique
@@fwef7445Roids??? The dude is skinny and toned as hell, you can't be fucking serious. He's only 30 dude 😂
He actually does... he's toned
@@randallallgood8661true z Jim's getting too old and last is just too stupid
Jay White’s usually had like a chiseled 6 pack and has showcased crazy in-ring cardio.
can't take Jim serous comparing jay white physique to Adam Cole
I was always skeptical of this storylines. I don’t care what anyone says, this stuff with Cole has been the lamest and least impressive work that he’s done.
Just not true lol
Yeah, I don't care for it either, really.
Jericho feud was terrible and some MJF stuff was bad but we could put that down to who he was working with. The brochaco garbage is all on him.
@@connorgrimshaw5457Nah this whole Adam Cole and MJF storyline has been trash to the point it’s starting to devalue MJF
Do y'all remember Chris Jericho saying MJF will be a babyface??? Here it is enjoy it while it last
I think jay just needs more time to learn how to do sn American style promo. New Japan promos are long and drawn out and kind of melodramatic
New Japan promos are nonstop cussing on the mic
Juice Robinson is starting to become like the pre push LA Knight. Its obvious he's a star but they wont pull the trigger.
Juice has always had something.. but in AEW he'll never get a LA Knight type of push.. not with Tony Khan in charge
He's definitely someone that AEW should do more with, especially in that "look what WWE didn't know they had" way.
He's annoying and has that Indy/NJPW stink all over him. No thanks!!
True he’s getting better but he sucked in his nxt days 😅😂🤣
No doubt about it! Hopefully more of the fans will see it!
Love Corny but comparing Jay White’s physique to Cole’s was crazy. That’s like saying Rick Rude’s build wasn’t far off from Gillberg 🤣 🤣
Facts
Aew has too many people without a look/gimmick, its like these nondescript characters drift in and out just to be forgotten next week.
Reminds me of a certain TNA era where there was no booking consistency
Cause TK has no real vision has no no idea what he's doing ..atleast Vince would try even if it was a shit lame gimmick..you needto make people stand out
Exactly. Jay's issue in terms of performance credibility is not his body or his moveset, it's his look and his speech/promo. He is deathly boring to look and listen to, bringing none of the theatre that we need and expect from pro-wrestling (which let us remember, is essentially a cirque art). Also, the Kiwi voice is naturally affable and downbeat and monotonous, it's difficult to make it sound menacing (only Lucy Lawless has ever done it right).
GOOD GAWD! Jim accidentally pulling off a great DDP impression.
Deserves A self high five!
at what time in the video?
@@InsaneCookies3:50-4:03
If Adam Cole is headlining stadium shows, there is no reason for anyone to work out.
He looks like he just got rescued from a Vietnamese POW camp by Chuck Norris
He had 5-6 minutes and Max had about 8-10, labeling him as boring.
Adam cole is the kind of guy Goldberg used to squash in wcw to build up his streak/aura
@shivjindal2071 it's sad that Gillberg was bigger than Cole.
@@wilcee238hahaha 🤣
Jay White got cooked so much he became Jay Black
Punk destroyed MJF on the mic, the less famous Miz line haunts him to this day. Don't give MJF too much credit, he's great, but he's not as good as Punk
Have u been on the shrerbert
I understand what you guys say but I liked Jay explosiveness it was a fun battle
Yap !!!
He's not bad,, good in ring but i think the problem is a lot of guys who are "good in japan" just don't translate well over here. Omega, white, hell Johnny ace was over in all japan)grante mostly due to mrs baba) It's one thing if you have a vader or bigelow or someone that size and maybe you have someone talk for them to build the monster. But a lot of these guys never went to wwe or wcw or something like that. You can tell the difference between Juice and Jay. Juice was in nxt for awhile so he probably got to work with a lot of the performance coaches there. Hence why he has a character that works right now. I think Jay white looks fine a bit skinny true but serviceable. I am more like why did joe get one shot and like yeah i am done. same thing happened the starks. Like the ones i wouldn;t mind getting another shot or having a longer program with Mjf lose once and then respect them. anyway. i think its just a styles clash. in japan it is very much an art form. the fans are quite and appreciative of the performance in the ring. over here you need promo skills and a character that people want to see.
It was a fun battle lmao you are what’s wrong with todays beta clown wrestling fans
There was no battle. It was a one-sided massacre by MJF. It was the verbal equivalent of Tong Po vs. Eric Sloane from the first _Kickboxer_ movie.
@@adamandannathat’s because New Japan has a great booker (Gedo) that can hide these wrestlers’ flaws
Jay White you just got Roasted‼️🤣🤣😭💀💀 good one uncle Jim Cornette
Y’all think MJF is good on the mic because he’s loud, bro called a grown man tofu …..that shit ain’t funny like at all
Right. That screaming is rough, sounds like a fake ass Flair
He's good but he's no where near as good as Punk
That's wht wrestling is calling your opponent something lame and cringy and then fanboys act like it's over. Smfh.wrwstling sucks so bad has for 20 years
You're clearly failing to understand why MJF called Jay tofu. The point MJF was making is that Jay has nothing going for him and that he has no identity without attaching himself to the Bullet Club brand. That's why he went on to call Jay a bland talent that has to depend on the Bullet Club hype to have any relevance, just like tofu is made to simulate real food.
@@fwef7445punk shows ricky it levels to this
I rememebr when Brock said "we're tryig to turn chicken shit into chicken salad" on his season of TUF and it always made me and my wife laugh. All these years later, I'm guessing he got it from Corny when training at OVW!
I think it's a common thing used in the wrestling world. Jim Ross says it alot too.
It's a common phrase in American lexicon period. It's not something exclusive to the wrestling industry.
Honestly, "tofu"? And make people chant this?
This MJF is a joke, I can't believe the "devil" is now this childish clown. Still hope the masked guy is a counter to Cole's betrayal.
MJF is starting to look TOO BIG for AEW. Only really Cody and Punk where able to hang with him when it came to promos and presentation.
He needs to leave. If he stays he will keep getting stale.
Eddie Kingston could cut a good promo on MJF, so could Christian. There are still guys on the roster who could have great promo segments and matches with him, but AEW booking is so inconsistent that you can be sure that neither of those will be involved with him anytime soon.
While I do agree that Jay should work on shorter promos, he doesn’t make me turn it off. Also his physique is great.
I did find the clip after I heard this earlier because I thought that too. His clothing made him look strangely small. But yeah he's normally above average.
His clothing was the biggest issue I had his promo was fine
@@nineteenct after seeing the Rock in a track suit in 99, or Jeff Jarrett and Bret Hart in nWo colours, this was fine
Yeah could definitely be shorter, but dude is good on the mic. Also, he’s very lean but ripped. So comparing his physique to Cole’s is pretty dumb. I think Jim and Brian need to step away from wrestling for a while. They’re basically Star Wars fans at this point. They hate everything.
Rumor has that Tony wants Jay to be the new face of Collison so I’m not surprised by this push even if it’s not being done properly.
that's like trading your Rolls Royce for a reliant robin
Based on recent Collision ads for tickets, the poster has Edge & Bryan Danielson front & center with the biggest pictures. Jay White is slightly behind them with Christian, FTR, Miro and others.
@@Voysh2Voysh69 it makes sense if it’s Edge now but when the fired Punk the word was it was going to be Jay.
Well not any more because they got Adam now he should take over collision
Finn balor should join AEW Bullet club ❤🔥
MJF completely annihilating Jay White in one promo makes him look weak and not a credible opponent.
MJF is literally turning into John Cena. He's burying his opponents on the mic and in the ring with no comeuppance.
@@BBoy4040Bro... you can't be serious
@@bladepvpz3015 Did you forget about how he absolutely destroyed Cole on the mic before their first match? Or how Joe murdered him and he still won the match? Or how he made fun of The Righteous before their match then made them look like idiots by beating them clean in a handicap match?
@@bladepvpz3015 I love MJF as a wrestler and a character, but this is where the booking and scripting (if we're saying AEW has no writing team but they have to at least have a program that lines out their segments) come into play and trivialize the work people put in. With a more competent script, MJF would be TRADING barbs with his opponents, not stand there on 10 minute tirades completely breaking down his opponent's credibility while they just stand there and smirk. Because congratulations, we now have to rebuild MJF's opponent using the feud itself as a base because MJF made them look silly before the feud even started.
@@BBoy4040 yea this was a strange approach by Max like he felt threaten by Jay White. Man, I would have loved a jay white cm punk feud to build him up.
When Edge is bigger in size than
90+% of the wrestlers basically on the planet, then Pro Wrestling is nothing more than average people doing stupid shit.Hornswagall could have competative and believable matches with most of the guys.
Edge is 6’5 240 that’s not an average person
Dude, Edge was always a big guy.
@@weebier7745 6'5 and 240lb might not be average but it's not rare or impressive either.
@@kinginthenorth1437 6'5 is 99th percentile.
@@richardsmith9615 Yeah, and? 1/100 isn't rare when you think about how many hundreds of people are out there.
And that's assuming Edge is even a legit 6'5, rather than billed at 6'5.
Match is gonna go 45 minutes. Jay White will kick out of everything under the sun. Fans will say its the greatest match of all time
You think Jay is gonna kick out of everything, have you been watching MJF lately? Dude has been like a mini super Cena lately especially when he’s supposed to have a “bad neck”
@@jay_1212
Super Max is a trademark lol
What
.....have you ever seen a Jay White match? Some of you guys need to actually watch wrestling instead of listening to a dude complain about it. Maybe go watch the 56 minute tag match between FTR and Jay White & Juice. Watch Jay White vs Alex Shelley it’s on UA-cam. He’s not a spot guy
Facts
Jay is way more ripped than Adam
They cut Toni Storm's vignette from the show because this went 20+ mins.
Toni needs more love her new character has it a star in my eyes
All men do is ruin womens' lives, unironically I say outlaw them😔
@@Alien_on_earth69it was good until they seemed to change it with the smeared lipstick 🤷
@@Alien_on_earth69need to go back to wwe because that shit is different
Probably why the elite doesn’t want to fight MJF; the promos can you imagine?
Yup, they know MJF would cook them in a promo battle. Can you imagine Twinkle Toes trying to go toe to toe with MJF on the mic? Good lord it would be a massacre.
@@robertm.3520 I actually reckon you could have a really good feud with MJF and Omega, but they probably missed a trick when he was with Don Callis
@@richardsmith9615 Twinkle Toes having someone else to talk for him is really the only way it would work.
@@robertm.3520 Yeah, I quite liked that dynamic. Was a shame he got injured.
I personally thought this was on of mjf’s worst or weaker promos. I thought Jay white got the better of him during this segment
mjf is getting exposed here
Its pretty sad if your best talent can, without much effort, cut a promo that makes their opponent's flaws a legit reality and you suddenly lose interest in them.
Depends on the wrestling fan listening. I really don’t care about explosive promos or over the top mic skills. I’m a wrestling fan. It’s about the work during the match for me. I honestly can’t remember a fantastic MJF match. His matches are forgettable
Most people who like promo talkers are like that in real life. All bark no bite. That’s why they love the promo guys. It’s a reflection of what they are
@@csharp57 MJF is a great worker. His matches aren't gymnastic spot fests for the most part, but they're good. In terms of great promos being bad in ring, Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, The Rock, Mick Foley, the list goes on of great promos who had constant great matches.
Jay White is the best talent in AEW. He’s going to make MJF a serious competitor. Maybe we can get a great wrestling match.
I dunno. Might be a style clash issue.
best my arse, best jobber perhaps
💯👍🏽
and... it was a horrible match without any logic of why Jay couldn't defeat injured MJF...
@@daniilknyazz because Tony doesn’t want to lose the only draw he has.
Only AEW could destroy MJF. He has to go to the WWE.
At this point, Tony deserves to left with nobody else except a couple of jobbers and the Virginity Army.
Oh yeah, cos they won't fuck it up. They have a great track record
@@monkeynews8784 Hell of a lot better than AEW's.
@@maxxdahl6062 you e drones are so out of touch with reality. WWE have wasted great talent before AEW existed and still do to this day. AEW allow much creative control than WWE and MJF has Tony by the balls because he's consistently had the highest rated segments. If you think he isn't choosing to be presented this way, you're delusional
@@sadboi88 WWE have wasted great talent, AEW wastes all talent. You drones are so out of touch with reality.
I love how after the WWE releases these goofs... It takes less than three months in aew to realize why they were letgo.
Now I usually agree with Jim and Brian’s assessments but they were overly critical on Jay White here. His promo wasn’t that bad and I’d go as far as saying he’s got the best physique in AEW. Can’t understand how they’re comparing him to Adam CoIe. I don’t get the hate here
Then you’re delusional
I agree with you 100% I left the same comment before seeing yours
I agree i think Jay White has fire in a promo and looks good but i think Brian has a point, Jay kinda said a lot of nothing. Maybe they like Juice so much they overlook Jay? Idk but I also think Juice is the better overall wrestler. Class babyface back in the day.
Absolutely delusional. That promo sucked. He sounded lost. Also, he is barely in the top 10 if you going off physiques
U mind explaining how so?
@@PlayzieBum
No matter the PPV, MJF gets upstaged EVERY TIME. Edge, CM Punk etc. He’s never what the people talk about the next day. His run is not good anymore.
And it's crazy because he's their WORLD CHAMPION. He's what everyone should be talking about. I don't get it. Why isn't he in a feud with Wardlow or even Brian cage. Those are the guys that should be in the heavyweight picture, because at least they look heavyweight and could give MJF and definitely the fans something to care about.
Honestly, even THAT might be a good angle for him. MJF being tired of becoming overshadowed by Tony's newest toys. A reasonable heel turn.
Jay White looks like a slightly bigger Brian Kendrick.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@markfroman738 Trash.
MJF shouldn't be in this comedy garbage with Cole. MJF is a true heel and needs to stay that way. Get him away from Cole. Let Cole go back to his Elite buddies and stay midcard with them.
Wait till Cornette sees Cole and Strong segment from this week.
The last few months have shown me that Punk is a nicer guy than we thought, because he could’ve called MJF a less famous AND a less talented Miz. MJF has only one promo!
Miz is just a watered down PG version of MJF. I can’t even name you a single classic, memorable, main event match that Miz has ever been in. The only memorable things about Miz have been either cringe & hokey or were instances where Miz was given some goofy WWE script and over-performed with it.
@@Voysh2Voysh69Miz vs Cena at mania 27. He main evented the ppv
@@mrnicemam8523and won.
Dislike him all you want, you remember that match surely?!
@@Voysh2Voysh69Miz and Dolph had a good feud for the IC title around 2016/17 iirc.
why do people compare mjf and miz? i never got it
The man who single handedly sold out Madison Square garden
In 2K
MJF title run is boring!!! JC can't accept this fact
it's boring because he has no one worthwhile to feud with, he needs someone like Punk or Cody but they're both gone. It's more a roster issue than MJF's fault
@@fwef7445it's TK fucking fault people
Jay White was rambling for 10 minutes and didn't say a damn thing. His weak promo skills got exposed.
Jim saying “Good God!” “Good God!” 😂😂
0:55 Right and I like what they do in Japan like the UFC. You just got done trying to basically assault a human being let's put a mic in front of you. Thats what Jay White did in Japan is after this 30 minute match talk into this mic. Here in AEW we have 10 minutes to fill go out there in a half empty arena
And meanwhile monster credible look like guys like Lance Archer are being kept off TV for what?!
New name for Adam Cole
Adam “Brittle bones” Cole
Atom Cole
Would aew have a strength and conditioning coach?? I mean HOW does a wrestler jump off a platform 3 feet in the air n break an ankle????
Freak accident. I remember Pac getting injured in a match with Jericho. I’m like “how”. These things happen
Shit happens
@rileyk5228 yeah but that jump is literally a box jump height at the gym of these actually went?
Feel like Jim is expecting more of a roast battle instead of a simple introduction to a storyline.
WWE will use MJF like the star he is
Adam "Chicken legs" Cole broke his ankle 😂
Jay White looks like PAC off the juice and on a 6 month meth binge.
Jay is not a bad promo, but he drones on too long. Re: his physique, he’s very lean with abs. So if you’re not seeing them, he looks mediocre in normal clothes.
reading these comments, you would think jay white's a jabroni. He will adapt, I'm sure. We missed out on a career defining jay white cm punk feud so it's a bit early for jay.
Jay just needs to shorten his promos up a little and he'll be fine.
I agree with this, but the minute Jim started trying to say he was similar in physique to Cole, he lost all credibility in that area of discussion.
I don't disagree with anything that Jim and Brian have said about Jay White. However, I'm honestly over MJF as world champion and wouldn't mind a title change. MJF is great. Dude got freaking kangaroo kick over. But I'm just not feeling this face turn and "bro-chacho" stuff with Adam Cole. I'd rather see them take a chance with White and let Bullet Club Gold be the lead faction for a change until a better, unoccupied babyface emerges. Or, and this is a longshot- let Swerve beat MJF for the title.
I’d go with swerve. Jey white doesn’t feel big enough.
Bring jim in as new owner of aew
MJF is gold but all the comedic stuff made him less than championship material
He should be the top guy but the ball was dropped somewhere
The title needs a new champion
Because if you look at what's going on the RoH tag titles are more important and more prevalent than the world title
Jay white is a the best thing going in AEW and he deserves the belt
Also his comedy stuff is working because it's a heel faction filled with nutjobs who are simply too good to ignore and too dangerous
They got a cardboard cutout over without sacrificing any credibility MJF got a lot more popular as an act but lost some credibility as a champion
This is prolly the worst take I’ve heard. Jay White is money and he’s been like this for some years now. Him and Bullet Club Gold have been great for collision and his physique is not even close to Cole
I thought he was okay, I didn't think he was riveting, but he was not completely dominated by MJF. First I've ever heard of him.
“WRESTLERS SHOULDN’T WEAR SKINNY JEANS” lmao 😂😂
But Batista wears them
No man should wear skinny jeans.
The worst part is people were really saying Jay White did good here.
He was okay, nowhere near as bad as Brian makes it sound. I thought it was a decent segment, not great but not embarrassing. Just not Championship calibre obviously.
I'm of the opinion all men and most women should refrain from wearing skinny jeans.
As much as I love MJF and always will, MJF vs Jay White might be one of the saddest championship PPV main events I've ever seen...
Tony needs to enter rehab.
Should be MJF vs Wardlow would be better & makes sense.
@tedcox3232 Nope. Wardlow should’ve never left MJF’s side.
Wardlow has fallen so low I forgot he was even there, what drawing power he ever had is long gone@@Teddy42O
It's too premature Man SMH... White isn't Ready yet
@@Teddy42OI got a feeling that one's happening at winter is coming if MJF retains against White... Wardlow looked a bit heelish out there the other night... and MJF can get his win back against him
Tony Khan is showing his true colors via his booking! 😂
remember when u built up ur opponent and made them look good coming out of the rivalry , Now we just completely tell the truth and bury the wrestler in his face ??? Wtf
MJF is below Mid at this point. Ive lost all interest in him. The Booking has made him a Clown 🤡
Jay White's promo's have been too long for some time
Imagine if it was juice instead of jay white
Funny I got into with a Mark yesterday on Facebook.... he swore Jay is better than Juice... juice is boring and Jay is the reason why juice is over 🙄🙄🙄
@@randallallgood8661 Where's the lie? Juice was irrelevant before jay white showed up, you do realize he was sign long before jay, right? I don't get how people sleep on jay white, but you do you.
@@randallallgood8661 Before AEW Jay is more over than Juice, now it's a different situation.
This. Jay has mostly been wrestling in Japan. Juice was trained in NXT on promos and character and thing and has been in America a lot longer. He’s more ready for a tv show wrestling persona than white is.
I don't get this sudden love for Juice and people wanting him over Jay White. He's funny (and just annoying, sometimes) but that's it. Just decent on ring and on promos.
I am very surprised by JIm & Brian's take here. I thought Jay won this round pretty emphatically.
Also, it is objectively wrong to say he doesn't have a good physique. I have no idea how y'all came up with that.
Icl I didn’t mind switchblade here just had to shorten shit up
Jay couldn’t even hold the damn belt right.
LOL, it was hilarious watching him struggle with the triple B.
Jay White seemed to just keep rambling
MJF needs serious😢 competition. He's becoming a joke. A cartoon villain. Don't forget, White was part of the best tag team match against FTR. When was the last time MJF had a memorable match since Punk ?
there is nobody, the roster sucks
Open ur fucking eyes and see the mjf danielson match
@@reubeneliteyou mean the one that went forever and everyone knew the result because of the stupid stipulation?
@CalSaurous does it matter?
It was an all time classic and ofc it was gonna go long it was a 60 min broadway, we all knew that and it didn't take away frm the match
Oh and if u want great mjf matches since punk I'll gladly name many
@@reubenelite go name many then. I'm sure Meltzer gave them all 5 stars. And what's the point in sitting and watching a 60-minute match where only the last five-minutes matter? I'd much rather have watched an MJF and Bryan match that was 20-minutes and the decisive pinfall could've happened anywhere.
Seriously shocked that Cornette hasn't jumped all over Tony Khan saying that if he dies suddenly...he's informed his Father to put Daniel Bryan in charge of AEW"....and NOT one of the EVP's.
Soon as I read that, I was expecting a 40 minute vid..guess not.
"Those legs could sue the whole body for non support" got me 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣
@Tikthrair I don't listen to every single video Jim uploads so apparently I missed the other 10 times. Can you tag me with a timestamp on all the other 9 videos he's said it?
I just want to see MJF destroy Jay and move on.
MJF should be trying to form a babyface version of the Pinnacle rather than continue being in this phoney buddy cop storyline with Adam Cole
Jays not over with the fans but everywhere iv seen it’s been people saying it’s time for a new champion in jay white much love tho jim and brian
Seems like anyone TK signs over from WWE was over because of WWE. Anyone that WWE signs over gets bigger than they were in AEW. But Tony's paychecks still cash, so there's that.
Who is bigger in WWE than they were in AEW?
@@sadboi88lol, really?
@@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact Yes, really. The list of people that have jumped from AEW to WWE is incredibly small
@@sadboi88 Cody is on the biggest run of his career right now. Who cares if the list of those jumping back to WWE is small?
@@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact the guy I was originally replying to said everyone who comes from AEW gets bigger when they come to WWE. Cody was in WWE before AEW and then went back, which isn't the same
That's Why I asked him for examples. It matters that the list is small because his comment is bs. 2 of the only people to jump from AEW to WWE haven't even debuted yet and one is barely used on NXT
Jay White is another overrated New Japan hype job. He got verbally undressed by MJF and came back with a meaningless tangent.
I could probably get behind MJF doing a promo on the hotdog vendor.. if anyone can pull it off it’s him
Love Jim, but I don't agree with his opinions on Jay White. He is really good
I thought Starks v mjf was a good match up before, especially on the mic, they matched up well
Which is why the Elite and Tony buried Starks. You can’t outshine the masters.
@@wilcee238 Exactly
Starks is a star. But keeps switching between heel and face. AEW is so disorganised with how they place their talent, and with ROH there, I dunno what's going on half the time. Bt least I see lots of titles - which is always great and doesn't devalue any of them.
Starks is going to WWE when his contract is up
@@wilcee238they forgot about ricky. I think cole was good as well
MJF is a comedy babyface now. Whether he switches back later or not it’s been a significant amount of time and about a year since his last good promo. I’m getting tired of Jim talking like it’s not his fault, he’s not going along with it, it’s just bad booking, he’s the greatest heel. He’s a cringey goofy comedy act and he loves it.
Yep you can clearly see through him in scrums and don't forget he use to be in BTE..he's just like the bucks just hides it betterm..cosplay
I feel like this was supposed to be Punk vs White and because Punk is gone, just put white with MJF
I am really getting turned off MJF.
to be fair it's not really MJF's fault, he has absolutely no one to feud with, their roster is abysmal
@fwef7445 Its his fault that he exposed himself as just another wrestling mark who loves everyone backstage. It's his fault that he is copying The Rocks promos every week. It's his fault that everyone knows he isn't a real heel. It's his fault that he tweets out the most cringe babyface tweets or had to interject in every discussion and stand up for his little friends.
He has ruined his reputation as a real heel and he will never get that back now. Some people could buy into him being an actual asshole because he lived that. Not anymore! Everyone knows it was fake
he's wrestling way too often now, it's less of an attraction now
Now this is a build and storyline MJF should be in, not bad comedy skits with Adam Smol and Big Show. MJF/Jay White is a money match. The only problem with this was that MJF utterly destroyed Jay White in this with Jay White's only comeback was using every catch-phrase and nickname he had.
Honestly that's not true, Jay really got in his head, he didn't spend 8-10 minutes calling him boring using a whole other way. Jay got straight to the point and carried it and got in MJFs head.
@@Tikthra Who you talking to bud?
I think the problem with Jay's promos as compared to the ones he did in NJPW, are that he's not accomplished anything in AEW to back up all the hype.
In NJPW, he had already achieved a lot, which meant that there was a stronger aura of legitimacy around his promos. In AEW, he's done nothing of note, so far, and hence his words ring hollow.
Fans complain about Roman rarely defending the title but give MJF a pass.
An mjf promo is almost as good as an mjf match. Roman sucks ass
He defended his title at all in and he defended it at grand slam. He defended his title once a month, and he appears on tv every week and wrestles matches more often as well. Do you want him to defend his title every week against random jobbers like how rey fenix is doing with his international title?
the devil wears lifts in his boots so he can be 5'9"
@@DarHole Devil my ass he is doing awful comedy and Kangaroo kicks. He is Garbage now.
@@vincetgambinischoolofmusic2174 Luchasaurus wears a Dino mask to be a dinosaur. What’s your point? It’s pro wrestling.
Jays promos do kinda ramble on, he just needs to keep it short and simple. small adjustment
Breathe with the switch baby
It's hard enough for MJF to make for the deficiencies of an entire company without also burdening him with garbage storylines.
Jay is better than they're giving him credit for.. also he looks nothing like Adam Cole physically hahahaha wat
Adam Cole just reported he needs 2 surgeries on his ankle. No idea when he'll be wrestling again.
Like said Aew made MJF the worst champion company history and not MJF fault but is it can't be devik favorate son to being gay buddies with Adam Cole ...just garbage then giving there clowns all these goodwill belts
Yeah White can talk a little long, but critizing his body is pretty weak in my view. He's tall and his body weight is distributed very evenly. He's cut and he has the ability to man handle most guys. So I think Jim goes off the rail a bit sometimes. White needs to adapt to not being in Japan where he did alot of talking in ring but no face to face like in US.
hes 5 feet 10 to 11 max.
I think it’s the accent and that jay can be long winded but his physique is never a problem jay is shredded
3:43 sorry--how exactly has Jim with all his decades of experience in the business missed the homoromantic/homoerotic drama subtext of all professional wrestling to exist? Seems like a massive oversight or lack of awareness and genre savvy.
Everything with Roddy, Cole, and MJF has nuclear go-away heat with a lot of people. The fact that they had to show that segment twice this past Monday for a busted audio feed was totally unnecessary.
I liked it best the first time, with no audio
@@FakeAdminZ It's so true.
Love Jim but he poops on everything it’s almost impossible to impress him. Jay white has a good physique he’s a good promo this segment was good and the match will be good. That’s it
MJF has one promo. And it's not good.
Juice should be going against MJF.
Jay white is being pushed to the moon, yet he doesn't work nearly as well or talk as well as juice
It probably has to do with the look.jay looks the part but juice looks like a character from wrong turn or hills have eyes.
Free MJF!
CM Punk VS MJF @ WM 40 for the real worlds championship! MJF pulls a Cody with the world title
It's funny cuz MJF took the Rocks crowd chant gimmick and Edge aka Adam and Christian did Roman and Jays gimmick.
This past Dynamite wasn't much better, except for the Juice intro. 2 long-winded beat down segments, and an Edge promo that should have opened the show.