These problems are well known to BMW, since they have launched the connected app on mobile devices. I was told the problems get resolved by the update announced to be available early November 2023. The new Connected Ride Navigator is not just another device more robust vs mobile devices. It’s functionality has increased dramatically. First, it’s a media hub, integrating phone, music, headsets and all of the BMW motorbike data available in TFT mode, when in use. The navigation capabilities will be better too, compared to the connected App. Zooming in and out the map area in use while navigation is no longer restricted. Further, with a fingertip you can shift the map area of detail in all directions while driving and zooming in and out. Pressing the finger on the map will allow you to place a new way/shaping point if needed. These and more features remind me to the look and feel of the former navigator I have been using since years. One thing I am really missing, however, is the ability to to show routes and tracks on the map at the same time. At least I haven’t found a solution yet. If the earlier mentioned problems get resolved, this device might be a sound basis for future software developments and a worthy replacement of all former BMW Navigators. And: I do hope that BMW is continuing on its track of customer oriented agile way of working in further developing this connected ride approach any further.
Very informative, a lot of time spent trying to sort this out. Mine is going on the market tomorrow I just cannot spend any more time trying to link and connect things to it.
Hello there your videos are always immensely helpful - I found connecting the way you have caused my phone calls to be silent, no audio but calls could be made and cancelled - I am using a Scale Edge fully updated. I found a solution: Connected as you have but connected phone to TFT as Phone 2, and to NAV as GPS connection, this has allowed all functions to work on Nav and TFT. Only glitch I have at present is that after making a call music continues with no sound. If I pause and resume music sound is restored.
I tough it becoming a center hub will resolve some problems, but look like the mess is even bigger now! Also,I was reading on the privacy data collection of the app, and it collects everything! Even says it collects "contacts ", do you think ut means allcmy phone contacts are collected?
Hi thanks for el video, I have a query. Can I use this new connect rider only as a gps? And still use TFT to handle music? I like being able to see the road in the gps (like I did in the old navigator 6) and have the music, calls and so on be used by the tft? I like the fact that I can change the song just by moving the wheel and being able to lower and increase the volume also just by moving the wheel, if I use this new connect rider, I would have to leave the map, go to the music section and change the song, and then, return to the map, I don't know if I understand? Thanks in advance, greetings
As of 1st Feb there is another update v1.0.2 has been released. Having struggled for 12 months with the NAV VI both in terms of connectivity and route following I really hope the CRN overcomes these. So far connectivity between phone and Cardo Packtalk Bold have been excellent. Up loading routes via phone Connected App is simple. Proof will be following imported routes and how well that works. Have uploaded some routes from RouteYou so if weather ok at weekend will do some test runs. Fingers crossed but on the techs side, with CRN updates installed first impressions are good
Hi Dragon Rider, i got the CRN my self in use. The CRN is the new connectivity center and replaces the functions of the tft. So the sync to the connected ride app runs over WLAN or 4G between the CRN and the app (therefore you have to login with your BMW-ID). Helmet and phone have to be only connected to the CRN, so all runs without issue. You only use the CRN, there is no need for the app on the bike while riding.
Thankyou for the update. I have connected my ID to the CRN but was just perplexed if the TFT has Bluetooth functionality then this new device has rendered the TFT usless over than a nice display. I would have liked to have seen some integration ie using the CRN for navigation you get a phone call and instead of losing the navigation display the call details come up on the TFT. Just for an example.
@@DC1008 Hi DC, i hope too there will be an update with some additional functionality (or crossfuction between TFT and CRN…), but at first sight it seems to become a quite good device…
If you go on settings bluetooth on phone and go in device type and you have few options on bluetooth car stereo, speaker ,headphones,others put tft on car stereo and helmet on headphones and should work
Is good device but my opinion is if you have TFT and NAV 6 Garmin you dont need this device is for older models without TFT . Plus this device has to have internet your Garmin dosent. I am in USA and my Garmin never fail works excellent. Excellent device just for older models without TFT. They may upgrade later and i see that it came few new upgrades 2 weeks ago but i ll skip this device for now. You did great review and thank you very much!
I think it only needs internet for traffic updates etc., it does have an inbuilt GPS. So you would download maps onto the device so you can navigate when you have no cellular.
I think it’s a terrible sat nav. Used it a couple of times but can’t seem to put an exact address into it. Just a road and postcode, not the extact house number…… or am I doing something wrong..
Strange when I callled my local dealer they didn’t say anything about having to wait for it they said they had one in stock and I could get it straight away? It makes sense with there being no instructions on any website by bmw
Hello, nice review though seems your still a bit unresolved. Any update since initial posting ? I’ve really seen very few reviews and all seem to be somewhat skeptical for the price.
I believe the Navigation maps are provided by tomtom now and not Garmin. Anyone know if they will update to include more road information like traffic delays with time, different route option to avoid and also speed camera info...not that i speed of course😂
Watched your videos since getting my GSA and it was your video that helped me connect helmet TFT and Nav6 together. But I don’t get on with the Nav6 and was thinking of getting the Garmin XT 2. But now seeing you with this, has just got me interested in it. Have you got it working with the TFT since you have done this video, has a update been but out. Anyway should I wait for you to get more information on this. Does it just fit straight into the Nav6 cradle. Sorry to many questions 😅 Any update would be great.
Thank you. An update has just been released and I’ll do a short vid to see if there is any differences No it’s either TsT or the connected nav you connect to not both so far as I’m aware
I understand your frustration, to a degree. I have been using the connected nav for about 3 weeks now and I'm generally very pleased with it's functionality. EXCEPT THAT - the touch screen appears to have stopped working. I had it working for the initial setup and once since but, it no longer appears to work. I am back at the Dealers on Friday and I'll see what they have to say. The biggest issue IMO is NO FRIGGING MANUAL.
I had the same issue, I solved the problem disconnecting the battery for a couple of minutes. Then I reconnected the battery and started charging via USB, everything started working again. My concern is that, apparently, leaving the NAV on the bike cradle while the bike is not used, the NAV discharges completely, which brings again to the same point. So you have to take out the NAV from the bike even if you leave it in your home garage, which seems to me a nonsense
@@lubebosch I've already tried that. It didn't work for me. Back to the dealer and they have ordered me a replacement. I never leave a nav on the bike when it's not in use. Cheers
Not for the time being. After I had the "blackout" issue solved unplugging the battery the NAV is working very well. Finger crossed...@@kevinmccarthy621
When my CRN is turn on, with phone & sena connected my tft losses time is this a fault with the CRN? Also if I use my phone as a personal hotspot is that as good as getting another SIM card? Thanks
You Tft shouldn’t lose time just make sure time on Cen is set correctly before connecting to tft. Yes using your phone as hotspot is the same as having SIM card just another way to get data. If your with we I just got a pay as you go aim and share data with the sim
If you have your cell phone connected to the connectride, can you also connect it to the motorcycle like when you used the navigator 6??? Or could you no longer connect it and everything would be handled through connectride? And the last question, if you are looking at the map of where you are going on the connectride, how do you change music? Do you have to stop looking at the map, go to the media, and then change it? If so, it would be a problem. Before, you only changed with the wheel, and in Navigator 6 you continued to see the map of where you were going.
@@DC1008, This is not accurate. You can control media (basic functions) from the nav or bike info screens. There is a hidden function bar on the right side of the display. You get to this hidden favorites bar with either a long finger press on the far right side of the screen (where the regular function bar lives), or by long pressing right on the handlebar control wheel. Once up, that hidden function bar has buttons for play/pause, next track, back, mute mic, and hang up call (by default). These options are configurable (under Settings -> System -> Favorites Bar), allowing them to be reordered as desired. There is also a function not assigned by default for skip waypoint. There are only 5 total favorites bar positions though, so to add the skip waypoint function you must eliminate another. Hope this helps. Took me a while to find that hidden favorites bar myself. I went looking for it when I saw the settings menu. BMW really should provide some sort of actual documentation/manual with this device.
Oh that's great, Is that favorites bar in the tft or in the connect rider? Where can I access it from? I assume it must be directly on the connect rider? Is that so? Please tell me more specifically how you did it, thank you very much for patience
I suspect this is about "Capabilities". When a device is connected over bluetooth, it doesn't need to just know connection details, it needs to know what capabilities the device has. For example, if my GoPro and a headset are connected to my phone, how does it know to send a phone call to the headset and not the camera? When the connection is first made, the capabilities are negotiated between them and when you have a single device to device connection all is ok. When you have two call capable devices however, which one should it use? For this when making the connection, you have to change what capabilities are used. For example, looking on your CRN connections, see the Music and Phone icons next to the connection? Those capabilities are enabled on those connections. On your phone (mine is Android) checking the bluetooth connection, I can enable / disable the various capabilities. The main thing is, only one device can handle mobile calls - this is a limit of bluetooth, not the bike. You choose which one you want to use. It took me a long time to get to this point on the old Nav6 - where my phone can be connected to both, but calls only enabled on one, data enabled on both. I'm hoping it's the same on the new CRN (arrived today). I share your frustration with BMW over this, we're buying premium products, we shouldn't have to learn this stuff from youtube.
@@DC1008 I was going to ask the same question. That doesn't work for me. Also, is the navigator supposed to turn off when you turn the bike off? Mine stays on. I have to remove the unit to turn it off. Frustrating.
I take it you have the connected ride navigator as above not the Garmin NAV VI? I haven't had any issues with GPX files. What software are you using to generate the GPX
Yes, have the new connected ride navigator. I use my route app to generate routes or gpx files. I also tryed Some of the internet but don’t know ten software of those. The company that sold me the navigator told my there is a software update coming but the avoid the quastion of there where navigators sold without this problem. Thats why i asked you this quastion.
I am having some problems, too. I have disconnect the phone from the TFT, otherwise, I am not able to make or answer phone calls. And it’s a nonsense that we cannot plan a route on the phone and automatically send it to navigator. Another annoying thing is arrive home, disconnect the bike and on the other day, the navigator(automatically disconnected), the battery is gone.
I brought mine back to the BMW dealer and was refunded. It does not accept gpx files from other navigation apps, tells me they are not supported, audio streaming is mono, no option for recalculation routes. Waste of money.
Exactly this. Is seems it is a massive upgrade for those bikes without TFT. For those with a TFT it seems an expensive waste of money. Media and calls are just moved from the TFT to the new unit
Hi thanks for el video, I have a query. Can I use this new connect rider only as a gps? And still use TFT to handle music? I like being able to see the road in the gps (like I did in the old navigator 6) and have the music, calls and so on be used by the tft? I like the fact that I can change the song just by moving the wheel and being able to lower and increase the volume also just by moving the wheel, if I use this new connect rider, I would have to leave the map, go to the music section and change the song, and then, return to the map, I don't know if I understand? Thanks in advance, greetings
These problems are well known to BMW, since they have launched the connected app on mobile devices. I was told the problems get resolved by the update announced to be available early November 2023. The new Connected Ride Navigator is not just another device more robust vs mobile devices. It’s functionality has increased dramatically. First, it’s a media hub, integrating phone, music, headsets and all of the BMW motorbike data available in TFT mode, when in use. The navigation capabilities will be better too, compared to the connected App. Zooming in and out the map area in use while navigation is no longer restricted. Further, with a fingertip you can shift the map area of detail in all directions while driving and zooming in and out. Pressing the finger on the map will allow you to place a new way/shaping point if needed. These and more features remind me to the look and feel of the former navigator I have been using since years. One thing I am really missing, however, is the ability to to show routes and tracks on the map at the same time. At least I haven’t found a solution yet. If the earlier mentioned problems get resolved, this device might be a sound basis for future software developments and a worthy replacement of all former BMW Navigators. And: I do hope that BMW is continuing on its track of customer oriented agile way of working in further developing this connected ride approach any further.
Very informative, a lot of time spent trying to sort this out. Mine is going on the market tomorrow I just cannot spend any more time trying to link and connect things to it.
When you plug in the CRN to the bike, it transfers all connection ability to the CRN. The TFT is no longer used. You connect to the CRN, not the TFT.
Hello there your videos are always immensely helpful - I found connecting the way you have caused my phone calls to be silent, no audio but calls could be made and cancelled - I am using a Scale Edge fully updated. I found a solution: Connected as you have but connected phone to TFT as Phone 2, and to NAV as GPS connection, this has allowed all functions to work on Nav and TFT. Only glitch I have at present is that after making a call music continues with no sound. If I pause and resume music sound is restored.
Do you consider this a worthwhile upgrade to the app on the cradle?
How do you get the unit to warn you about Speed Cameras and the like.
I tough it becoming a center hub will resolve some problems, but look like the mess is even bigger now! Also,I was reading on the privacy data collection of the app, and it collects everything! Even says it collects "contacts ", do you think ut means allcmy phone contacts are collected?
Is this a real GPS like Nav 6, or it depends on the cellphone operator signal?
Enjoyed this video buddy I've just bought the Sena but it still won't connect
Hi thanks for el video, I have a query.
Can I use this new connect rider only as a gps? And still use TFT to handle music? I like being able to see the road in the gps (like I did in the old navigator 6) and have the music, calls and so on be used by the tft?
I like the fact that I can change the song just by moving the wheel and being able to lower and increase the volume also just by moving the wheel, if I use this new connect rider, I would have to leave the map, go to the music section and change the song, and then, return to the map, I don't know if I understand?
Thanks in advance, greetings
If you read the manual the Tft comms will be grayed out as everything now goes via the navigator
I use a cardo..will it be the same procedure
Hi mate. Great video. I can’t get my Sena to connect to crn. What am I doing wrong? Can anyone help please?
As of 1st Feb there is another update v1.0.2 has been released. Having struggled for 12 months with the NAV VI both in terms of connectivity and route following I really hope the CRN overcomes these. So far connectivity between phone and Cardo Packtalk Bold have been excellent. Up loading routes via phone Connected App is simple. Proof will be following imported routes and how well that works. Have uploaded some routes from RouteYou so if weather ok at weekend will do some test runs. Fingers crossed but on the techs side, with CRN updates installed first impressions are good
Hi Dragon Rider, i got the CRN my self in use. The CRN is the new connectivity center and replaces the functions of the tft. So the sync to the connected ride app runs over WLAN or 4G between the CRN and the app (therefore you have to login with your BMW-ID). Helmet and phone have to be only connected to the CRN, so all runs without issue. You only use the CRN, there is no need for the app on the bike while riding.
Thankyou for the update. I have connected my ID to the CRN but was just perplexed if the TFT has Bluetooth functionality then this new device has rendered the TFT usless over than a nice display.
I would have liked to have seen some integration ie using the CRN for navigation you get a phone call and instead of losing the navigation display the call details come up on the TFT.
Just for an example.
@@DC1008 Hi DC, i hope too there will be an update with some additional functionality (or crossfuction between TFT and CRN…), but at first sight it seems to become a quite good device…
let´s wait for the official startdate at 01.11. and the real user guide and maybe some new features per update…:-)
If you go on settings bluetooth on phone and go in device type and you have few options on bluetooth car stereo, speaker ,headphones,others put tft on car stereo and helmet on headphones and should work
Ok will try I take it that’s on your phone not the nav
Is good device but my opinion is if you have TFT and NAV 6 Garmin you dont need this device is for older models without TFT . Plus this device has to have internet your Garmin dosent. I am in USA and my Garmin never fail works excellent. Excellent device just for older models without TFT. They may upgrade later and i see that it came few new upgrades 2 weeks ago but i ll skip this device for now. You did great review and thank you very much!
I think it only needs internet for traffic updates etc., it does have an inbuilt GPS. So you would download maps onto the device so you can navigate when you have no cellular.
I think it’s a terrible sat nav. Used it a couple of times but can’t seem to put an exact address into it. Just a road and postcode, not the extact house number…… or am I doing something wrong..
I have been told that Nov 4th there is a software update to sort out the issues. That is why official sales have been held until that date.
Strange when I callled my local dealer they didn’t say anything about having to wait for it they said they had one in stock and I could get it straight away?
It makes sense with there being no instructions on any website by bmw
Hello, nice review though seems your still a bit unresolved. Any update since initial posting ? I’ve really seen very few reviews and all seem to be somewhat skeptical for the price.
I believe the Navigation maps are provided by tomtom now and not Garmin. Anyone know if they will update to include more road information like traffic delays with time, different route option to avoid and also speed camera info...not that i speed of course😂
Watched your videos since getting my GSA and it was your video that helped me connect helmet TFT and Nav6 together. But I don’t get on with the Nav6 and was thinking of getting the Garmin XT 2. But now seeing you with this, has just got me interested in it.
Have you got it working with the TFT since you have done this video, has a update been but out.
Anyway should I wait for you to get more information on this. Does it just fit straight into the Nav6 cradle. Sorry to many questions 😅
Any update would be great.
Thank you. An update has just been released and I’ll do a short vid to see if there is any differences
No it’s either TsT or the connected nav you connect to not both so far as I’m aware
So the update is only confined to Europe. My device is still showing V1.0.0 and in Europe from what I have seen the latest update is V1.0.1.
I understand your frustration, to a degree. I have been using the connected nav for about 3 weeks now and I'm generally very pleased with it's functionality. EXCEPT THAT - the touch screen appears to have stopped working. I had it working for the initial setup and once since but, it no longer appears to work. I am back at the Dealers on Friday and I'll see what they have to say. The biggest issue IMO is NO FRIGGING MANUAL.
I had the same issue, I solved the problem disconnecting the battery for a couple of minutes. Then I reconnected the battery and started charging via USB, everything started working again. My concern is that, apparently, leaving the NAV on the bike cradle while the bike is not used, the NAV discharges completely, which brings again to the same point. So you have to take out the NAV from the bike even if you leave it in your home garage, which seems to me a nonsense
@@lubebosch I've already tried that. It didn't work for me. Back to the dealer and they have ordered me a replacement. I never leave a nav on the bike when it's not in use. Cheers
I hope it doesn’t have screen issues like the Nav VI. That would be unbelievable!
@@kevinmccarthy621 It has nothing to do with Garmin so why should it?
Not for the time being. After I had the "blackout" issue solved unplugging the battery the NAV is working very well. Finger crossed...@@kevinmccarthy621
Why can’t they have satellite imagery for the maps like on google maps
I wonder about the media function - can one get into Spotify on the iPhone via the navigator ?
Yes, but the sound is unfortunately only mono.
@@TonVerkleijT3 seriously ? That would be a Killer for me...
When my CRN is turn on, with phone & sena connected my tft losses time is this a fault with the CRN? Also if I use my phone as a personal hotspot is that as good as getting another SIM card?
Thanks
You Tft shouldn’t lose time just make sure time on Cen is set correctly before connecting to tft.
Yes using your phone as hotspot is the same as having SIM card just another way to get data. If your with we I just got a pay as you go aim and share data with the sim
Thanks for that, never thought about time on CRN been wrong I’ll check next time
If you have your cell phone connected to the connectride, can you also connect it to the motorcycle like when you used the navigator 6??? Or could you no longer connect it and everything would be handled through connectride? And the last question, if you are looking at the map of where you are going on the connectride, how do you change music? Do you have to stop looking at the map, go to the media, and then change it? If so, it would be a problem. Before, you only changed with the wheel, and in Navigator 6 you continued to see the map of where you were going.
No I had to connect to the connected navigator only making the tft redundant really
With regards to music you either in music or the other options you can only control what option you are in so if in nav you can’t control music .
@@DC1008, This is not accurate. You can control media (basic functions) from the nav or bike info screens. There is a hidden function bar on the right side of the display.
You get to this hidden favorites bar with either a long finger press on the far right side of the screen (where the regular function bar lives), or by long pressing right on the handlebar control wheel. Once up, that hidden function bar has buttons for play/pause, next track, back, mute mic, and hang up call (by default). These options are configurable (under Settings -> System -> Favorites Bar), allowing them to be reordered as desired. There is also a function not assigned by default for skip waypoint. There are only 5 total favorites bar positions though, so to add the skip waypoint function you must eliminate another.
Hope this helps. Took me a while to find that hidden favorites bar myself. I went looking for it when I saw the settings menu. BMW really should provide some sort of actual documentation/manual with this device.
Oh that's great, Is that favorites bar in the tft or in the connect rider? Where can I access it from? I assume it must be directly on the connect rider? Is that so? Please tell me more specifically how you did it, thank you very much for patience
is this the new one coming out in NOV 1st?
Yes
I set the time wrong. Can I change it without setting it to factory settings and start all over?
Yes just go into settings on the device
I suspect this is about "Capabilities". When a device is connected over bluetooth, it doesn't need to just know connection details, it needs to know what capabilities the device has. For example, if my GoPro and a headset are connected to my phone, how does it know to send a phone call to the headset and not the camera? When the connection is first made, the capabilities are negotiated between them and when you have a single device to device connection all is ok. When you have two call capable devices however, which one should it use? For this when making the connection, you have to change what capabilities are used. For example, looking on your CRN connections, see the Music and Phone icons next to the connection? Those capabilities are enabled on those connections. On your phone (mine is Android) checking the bluetooth connection, I can enable / disable the various capabilities. The main thing is, only one device can handle mobile calls - this is a limit of bluetooth, not the bike. You choose which one you want to use. It took me a long time to get to this point on the old Nav6 - where my phone can be connected to both, but calls only enabled on one, data enabled on both. I'm hoping it's the same on the new CRN (arrived today). I share your frustration with BMW over this, we're buying premium products, we shouldn't have to learn this stuff from youtube.
Yes exactly I was looking like on the nav 6 to disable calls that way like the nav 6 you could connect to the Tft and crn.
Numpty question probably but how are you managing to control the nav form the bike on mine at the moment I can only control the tft.
Push up and hold on the menu button on the bar and you’ll see on the tft an icon change from tft to nav and then you can control the nav
@@DC1008 I was going to ask the same question. That doesn't work for me. Also, is the navigator supposed to turn off when you turn the bike off? Mine stays on. I have to remove the unit to turn it off. Frustrating.
@@frenchwv have you updated the unit yet
@@DC1008 I’m on v1.0.2 and it says it’s up to date.
@@frenchwv reset everything it will work just need to keep trying delete all your previous connections
I am having troubles with gpx files. It doesn’t support any of it no matter wat i try. Does it work good at your systhem ?
I take it you have the connected ride navigator as above not the Garmin NAV VI? I haven't had any issues with GPX files. What software are you using to generate the GPX
Yes, have the new connected ride navigator. I use my route app to generate routes or gpx files. I also tryed Some of the internet but don’t know ten software of those. The company that sold me the navigator told my there is a software update coming but the avoid the quastion of there where navigators sold without this problem. Thats why i asked you this quastion.
@@mjgrashof ok I’ll take a look later and let you know. How are you connecting to the bike?
I am having some problems, too. I have disconnect the phone from the TFT, otherwise, I am not able to make or answer phone calls. And it’s a nonsense that we cannot plan a route on the phone and automatically send it to navigator. Another annoying thing is arrive home, disconnect the bike and on the other day, the navigator(automatically disconnected), the battery is gone.
@@DC1008 I’m connected the same way you let us show on youtube
Still having trouble connecting my Sena Srl any more ideas bud
Ps is it very important to put an WiFi card in?
Reset everything clear Bluetooth on phone and tft and try again
@DC1008 thanks buddy I'll have to buy you a coffee next time I'm in McAruthur Glen 👍🏼
I brought mine back to the BMW dealer and was refunded. It does not accept gpx files from other navigation apps, tells me they are not supported, audio streaming is mono, no option for recalculation routes. Waste of money.
You buy the Garmin zumo ? Or use the app bmw ?
I think the new Navigator is better suited to bikes with the Nav prep but without the TFT
Exactly this. Is seems it is a massive upgrade for those bikes without TFT. For those with a TFT it seems an expensive waste of money. Media and calls are just moved from the TFT to the new unit
@@johnnycigarettes3325 Far more functionality with the Nav. Have you used one?
Hi thanks for el video, I have a query.
Can I use this new connect rider only as a gps? And still use TFT to handle music? I like being able to see the road in the gps (like I did in the old navigator 6) and have the music, calls and so on be used by the tft?
I like the fact that I can change the song just by moving the wheel and being able to lower and increase the volume also just by moving the wheel, if I use this new connect rider, I would have to leave the map, go to the music section and change the song, and then, return to the map, I don't know if I understand?
Thanks in advance, greetings