Hi Andy, I work for BMW Rider Training and I've had one of these to try out at work and on my own 1250GS. Apologies if others have mentioned this (I haven't had time to read all the comments) but the new connected ride navigator is the new hub for your phone and any intercom you may have. So if these have been connected to the TFT previously, you should delete the connections from the TFT and reconnect to the new connected ride navigator. As the connected ride navigator is effectively hard wired to the bike (via the sat nav mount) this is how it acquires the bike data (tyre pressures, engine temp, fuel level, MPG, lean angle, oil level etc.). This new unit is really designed to work with an in-built SIM card for the live traffic info, POIs and to sync your rides with your BMW online ID. If you don't have a SIM card installed you need to set-up a Wi-Fi hotspot on your mobile phone and connect to that. Once you've done that you will see the traffic info displayed (green line on map for clear roads, amber and red for delays, as per Google maps). With a Wi-Fi hotspot connected, your recorded rides will then appear in the BMW Motorrad Connected Ride App on your mobile. You can also set destinations or import GPX routes to the Connected Ride app on your mobile (e.g. in the comfort of your home) and as soon as you fire up the bike (with Wi-Fi connected), everything will sync up. It works really well, but you need it connected via Bluetooth & Wi-Fi to get all the functions to work. I plan to buy one soon for myself but will get a cheap data SIM card to install to save all the faffing with a Wi-Fi hotspot. Hope that helps. Cheers.
1. can you set out your planned touring route on your desktop computer and transfer to the device as per the current Nav 5 /6? 2. If connected to the phone is it using your phone Data?
Re 1 yes - you can plan your route using the TomTom planner or MyRouteApp 2 Yes one has to assume so - but not for the mapping, just traffic updates etc (the dynamic stuff)
@@TheMissendenFlyer thanks for coming back. With Brexit about to do away with our phones ability to roam on the Continent the cost of having your Data connected would be come eye watering whilst touring
It can’t be any worse than the one on my RT. After being lost in a Spanish town in the pouring rain when it dropped out again I fitted a nav 6 to the bike. My top tip is always carry a map with you!
Yeah the guy is obviously a retard🤣🤣🤣 And he said it twice open the connections on the bike🤣🤣🤣🤣 But these are the people that “tell” you what’s good on a such bike or not pretty pathetic I’d say
Brilliant bit of kit I bought mine when my old Nav 5 packed up after 6 years of daily use It's realy useful and as you said a great display I've had the app for some time and found it useful as it records all my journeys Still not sure what the app adds to the navigator Look forward to some more updates as you get used to it and as you found out the connections menu is on the navigator
I have used Garmin on my BMW since the Nav III. I will take a dedicated GPS any day over a phone based navigator or even a navigator enhanced by a phone. Phone makes a great backup, but I like separation of function and redundancy and thus always use a dedicated GPS for navigation in addition to having my phone.
A good tip for the iPhone people, set up an Automation in the Shortcuts app to automatically open the Connected app when it connects to the BT on the bike. Set the Automation to Run Immediately. Saves opening the app ahead of time.
Sorry not being that techs how do you set that up in iPhone and how does it assist? Just getting to grips with CRN and connecting to phone and intercom (cardo).
@@allen-ty2it with the automation set, once you turn on the bike's ignition and the cradle connects to your phone (which is like instantly), it opens the connected app. Saves time if you use the cradle all the time. App Shortcuts > Automation > New "+" > Search for "Bluetooth" > Chose Device (should be your cradle bluetooth "BMW XXXXX") > "Execute immediately" > Press "Next" button > Search for "open app" and then choose the "Connected" app. Save it and you're all set
I went through five Nav6s before I gave up on their "issues" and bought a Zumo XT. No problems after a year of use and it's a lot cheaper than Nav6 or this BMW version which I think is approx £600. I keep my phone as a backup with a quad lock attachment on the bike.
Hmm, Add-on Gate, Navigate, Constipate? 'In days of old, when gloves went cold & Sat-nav weren't invented, we taped a half-mil to the top of the tank & rode around contented. . . . rarely actually got anywhere though . . . didn't really matter back then! . . . 'Progress' eh? : )
Good review, thanks. I had the same setup as you on the 1200 GS - great. It is a real pity that BMW went in the WRONG direction with the RT nav arrangements....I use a Zumo.... 🙂
I’ve bought 2 of the CRN units so far and handed them both back as they both froze after a few days of usage. I’ve spoken to two dealerships who both report a number issues with the units even on latest software. I use my phone with the BMW CR app as my sat nav - which works very reliably. I use the BMW phone cradle to keep the phone both charged and secure.
the connect to bike via settings was supposed to be to your bike (via the TFT) not the connected ride module. RTFM TMF. That said the connect ride app was designed before the connected ride screen was produced. The app gives you bike data, logs rides and gives turn by turn directions on the TFT in the absence of a navigator. I suspect the new navigator does both (gets the bikes vital stats via the cradle and is your nav).
As someone of a certain age, I found within 30 seconds I was drifting off to sleep. I like these old-fashioned things called maps. Yep, you need to stop now and again, but I don't mind that. I also find memorising routes before I set off is good for my old-age brain. Then there is the enjoyment to be had when you are at home or in your hotel opening/unfolding the map and looking at it in its glorious entirety, the whole area (or country, I am currently researching a future trip to Morocco) visible. Nonetheless, for you young puppies out there, I'm sure this is a great piece of kit.
The app is shite IME (experience with the R1250RT) - in fact it's the same one Moto Guzzi use. My word it eats battery, demands 24x7 access to location, etc etc. A shame, because the map view on the BMW is great, and the directions view on the guzzi is great, but stand alone sat-navs are vastly superior in functionality.
Thanks Andy very helpful. Just fyi, the manual is pure crap so you missed nothing. I just purchased this unit to go with a new 2024 GSA and while there are many positives vs my Nav V, a great deal of functionality has been lost eg if I am on a trip, I will have gpx sections color coded to keep them separate and to let me know when I have transitioned from one to the other (very useful when offroad), can’t do that now. There are other examples but for offroad, this unit is not as useful. Plus, I do not want my main phone linked to this unit. I have a back up phone on the handle bars which sends music to helmet and has a back up map (using GAIA). Not digging this at all thus far but still exploring how to use it.
Andy, whenever dealing with BMW Bluetooth, the Bike is 'the Hub', connect everything to the BMW Bike (via TFT) through connections, so Pair Navigator to Bike, Headset to the Bike, Phone to the Bike and let the bike handle the connections between them
Hi Andy, I love your youtube channel. Thank you. I think when the app ask you to connect with the bike, you have to connect with the bike. I am using the app without the Navigator and am connected to the bike. I am sometimes use the BMW connectedride cradle. When using this item I have also to connect withe the cradle. So what I am thinking is, you have firstly connect the app/phone to your bike. The phone/bike will remember this for the next times. Than connect to the navigator. (Probably the app or navigator will remember this also for the next times). Connected the app to bike will give you information in the app about your motorcycle data and your trip data on the app Connecting to the navigator will help the navigator to be up-to-date and give you information about speed limits and traffic information
I personally can’t justify the expense of this unit with a smartphone onboard already. Ram mount my phone to the handlebars and use google maps, easy enough. What is the benefit of having this expensive unit?
Integration is good plus you don't risk knackering your phone camera through vibrations (which I did once and hence why I will never mount my phone on a Quadlock again!!)
So the GPS successfully took you down a highway to another town on what appeared to be a highway that's been around for some years. That's great, but I assume an old Garmin StreetPilot from the late 90's would get you down that highway to the next town just as successfully. I was hoping for a comparison to determine weather it's worth the cost ($890 USD) of upgrading my current Nav V on by 1200GS.
Hello friend. I found this device to be somewhat complex to use and installing some points (Waypoints) using coordinates is not that simple. The Garmin is more intuitive. Would you have any tips for inserting some speed radar-type points into the equipment. Thank you very much and congratulations on the video.
A great insight into my next possible purchase upgrade from the Nav 5. on anther topic that lead flapping about and rubbing the paintwork would bother me and I would have to change the routing somehow. :-) #ocd ;-)
A veritable bargain. It's frustrating how cars are mostly going Apple Carplay or Android Auto where you get relatively consistent access to your phone apps - including Waze/Google Maps etc. Bikes, Honda aside, seem to prefer to force you aftermarket or, in BMW's case, foist expensive and, IMHO, less effective add-ons on you. Thanks for the review though. Looking forward to the pillion comfort assessment!
Does the garmin zumo xt display live traffic info ? Because if i have to buy a sim card when i pass countries in europe some may not provide internet connection unless i have local sim . If zumo provides it i go with it
Used the Nav V since 2016. Often use music on a SD chip. The new device does not do this. Phone connection here in Oz using Samsung, is very poor and often fails. Actual GPS is good. Price of new unit is horrendous.
Thanks for this. Spot on with respect to not reading the manual. Real men don't need instructions 😅. And thanks for giving up what looks like a spectacular morning to be flying.
BMW is always so much faff! I have the connected ride app and built in Nav on my K1600 and that actually works okay when it is all connected up! However, for down and dirty quick nav, nothing beats Google Maps on your phone just mounted to the handlebars! 650.00 is a lot of wedge when you have it on your phone.
Hello Sir, hello Andy, great work on UA-cam, i'm a fan but I have some problems with the new BMW connected Ride Navigator on my R1300GS. When the Navigator is in its holder, original BMW, it connects with your phone and packtalk after doing the necessary. So far, so good, but music quality is bad and I lose communication with my fellow riders in DMC-mode. The thing with this new navigator is that once it is in the holder you can not access connections in the TFT menu because it simply disapperars and so can not pair your helmet and your phone through the TFT what I always did with the Navigator 6 on my R1250GS. I think that is very strange and not good. My dealer told me they could shortcut some wires so that connections will reappear in the TFT but this will unable the rolling wheel to be used with the new Navigator. Do you have any experience in this matter and what are your thoughts about this? Many thanks to you and all that reads this.
I have the exact same problem. The sound quality is horrible when playing via the CRN. Another thing is that when connecting as BMW suggests, there is no connection with the Packtalk Edge and my phone, so I lose the ability to control the Edge via its app. I would like to have control over which Bluetooth service every connection uses in the CRN. I think it’s a great device otherwise, but unfortunately I can’t use the phone and music controls. I do appreciate that the CRN is self sufficient with a SIM card in it, it does not need a BT connection to do its job.
Hi Andy. Does this unit display speed and fuel range etc. like the NAV 5? Like you I use the NAV 5 for that purpose since my 2016 GSA does not have TFT and if I were to upgrade to one of these I would miss that feature.
I still have the Nav 5 on my RS and probably use 1/10th of it's knowledge. Being old school, I still use AAA maps and the GPS as my backup. I guess I'm too retro.!! Lol. 👍👍5🏍🙋♂️
Hi Andy There is also s sun position from behind where the Navigator’s screen surface is totally rendered opaque. I’m looking forward to your final conclusions on the 1300 - I’m not at all convinced about mine sadly.
Not quite the same, but I've been using the ConnectedRide phone cradle and BMW app for nav. Overall, I can't complain about it. From what I can see, it's very similar to the Navigator as a solution. One thing that can be done is the TFT can display the turn by turn while the phone displays the map. I prefer that as it's easier to read. I do have an extra phone though so I keep my main phone in my pocket while riding and the second phone lives in the cradle. I do have the nav phone and my Cardo connected to the TFT and that works well. Every once in awhile though, the whole thing loses mind and I need to repair everything. Nice review. Thanks.
@@busterrabbit You're misunderstanding. First, BMW makes the Navigator shown in this video. They also make a Connected Cradle which mounts to the BMW nav prep and holds a phone and ties into the control wheel, etc. With the BMW app running on the phone, you get very similar functionality to the stand alone Navigator. I paid ~$150 for the cradle on sale. You don't need an extra phone. I happen to have two phones (one work, one personal) and I use the work phone in the cradle and keep my personal phone in my pocket. Other people use an old phone with no service, possibly using the phone with service as a hot spot. The BMW app downloads maps locally so it doesn't even need service to work. You won't get real time traffic info though. The Navigator also doesn't need to be tied to a phone if you've already downloaded the maps.
Hi Andy, I am interested to know how traffic information, delayed etc. is displayed on the Connected Ride screen. I did like the Red bar across the top of the nav 6. I do understand a SIM card or hot spot on your mob phone is needed for this. Just don’t know where the info is on the connected Ride screen? Thanks.
Start your video once you know the proper steps....I having issues getting all the features to work with my Cardo- nav and Tft so I can use Cardo voice commands...and advice?
So what is the actual device in the cradle? I’ve got a ‘22 GS and use my iPhone in the Connected Ride cradle with the BMW Connected Ride App…. Works pretty well and integrates with the wiz wheel
Hi thanks for el video, I have a query. Can I use this new connect rider only as a gps? And still use TFT to handle music? I like being able to see the road in the gps (like I did in the old navigator 6) and have the music, calls and so on be used by the tft? I like the fact that I can change the song just by moving the wheel and being able to lower and increase the volume also just by moving the wheel, if I use this new connect rider, I would have to leave the map, go to the music section and change the song, and then, return to the map, I don't know if I understand? Thanks in advance, greetings
I’ve had one of these for a few months now. Once you get the hang of it, it’s a big improvement on the nav5/6. The instructions provided are very thin and it has taken a bit of trial and error to get it to work as it should. Most important to note is that phone and helmet must be connected to the navigator NOT to the tft. I think the 1300 has different software on the bike which removes the connections menu item when the Navigator is present. It is still there on 1200/1250 but don’t use it, in fact best to remove the connection between the tft and your phone. This is a bit of a pita as you have to reconnect if not using the navigator. You can plan routes on the app on your phone including importing gpx files and these will automatically transfer to the navigator via “the cloud” provided both have WiFi connections - there is no direct connection between phone app and navigator. The new nav makes much better use of the wonderwheel than the nav5/6. Software updates keep coming, hopefully we will get speed camera alerts soon!
I'm not impressed by the device. Sound quality is really poor compared to a direct connection between the phone and the helmet. Routing is quirky. It sends you back to the starting point if you change something while driving. It can also send you to miles long dead end roads to turn around. Not all the buttons are controllable by the wheel. Typefaces on the map and in the search bar are tiny. It feels more like a first prototype than a proven solution.
I was talking to a German fighter jet pilot who said (facetiously I presume) that his GS had as many gadgets and electronic feedback gizmos as the planes he flew. Humorous campfire hogwash aside, was the pilot on a total flight of fancy or was the comment close to the truth?
Guess it depends what Jet Fighter he flies!! - if it was something old generation he might be near the truth (not if it's a Eurofighter or beyond though!). Certainly the GS has more sophisticated everything compared to the old aeroplanes I fly!
What a faff Andy, strangely enough i don't have anything like that on my GoldStar but what i have got is something I've used for the last 50 years and it still works, it's called a map and a brain.
If you put a matte screen protector on your dash screen it removes the glare and makes it readable in direct sunlight. Protects it from getting scratched too... win win
So is this still a GPS or is it purely a phone driven device? If the latter, there will be times the signal drops out. Also, if using on a trip through Europe there will be roaming charges.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Apologies for leaving the comment. I didn’t recall you stating it had built in GPS, only that it worked to a degree without a phone connected.
I couldn't see current speed, is that available? I always ride by GPS speed due to the how speedo's have to over-read by law and GPS speed is more accurate (with a good connection to the GPS satellites). The device looks a bit small too and I agree about the labels being too small. Not all of us have 25-year-old bionic eyesight!
I have same one , THE PROBLEM is once you put the address in phone on app bmw connected app should automatically transfer to navigation same is going to TFT in navigation you need to enter address manually, which is not good. Is easier to do it on phone and after to pop up on nav but I think BMW should do something about
Interesting vid. Although I just can't figure out why bikes of this type & cost don't have an inbuilt Sat-nav system. Especially BMW who have their long standing car tech to fall back on. Seems lazy & an overly complex & ultimately unnecessary choice on their part. It's disappointing & no excuses imo.
BMW Nav, with the cradle , is K-rap. The connected ride app, with my iPhone ProMax mounted on a Quad Lock, is a decent enough work around for turn by turn navigation.
I used a prototype version of this last July/August on a 14,000km 5 week ride through Central And Western Australia. I found a few bugs and made a few suggestions but essentially it was a pleasant unit to get along with. And I didn’t get lost!
I don't understand why BMW made it in a size that won't fit into the integrated GPS dash on the touring bikes. Per BMW "The Tourer models R 1200 RT, R 1250 RT, K 1600 GT, K 1600 GTL, K 1600 B and K 1600 Grand America are excluded."
BMW navigator street came with my 2nd-hand Yammy Tracer. Kept using it because it has the power cradle hard-wired in. Saves me charging my phone to use google maps. I wouldn't use it otherwise. Google maps is better and likely most el-cheapo GPS units off ebay would be aswell. Also £660 for a GPS device? They're avin a laff!
connected ride navigator is basically the price of a garmin zumo xt AND an xt2 as of this video. Frankly BMW is taking a bit of a piss with this unit, especially since it still doesnt allow google maps. Looks good, but the price and functionality is a bit of a miss.
Completely absent from this review is what I view the most important value of touring, route planning on a computer! When trying to get from point A to B in a city, Google or Apple Maps is more than sufficient on your phone What I use my garmin/nav6 for is to plan multi day/week adventures where I can really drill down and zoom in to find the most interesting roads and set waypoints accordingly. How does one prepare routes offline and how does this compare to BaseCamp? Cause nobody is addressing this question and nobody at the dealerships knows either?
@@TheMissendenFlyer haha fair enough.. but I have to ask then, what added value do you find using this $1000 device vs google/apple maps, or one of the numerous ride apps, if not used for route planning? not trying to pick a fight, I'm sincerely trying to understand! I can also easily control music or answer a call (does anyone really do this??) with a click of my comms unit. I know us GS riders have to have at MINIMUM 3 active screens at all times to look cool, but what am I missing? And yes I carry paper maps, but they hard to share with a group, and I find a pre-planning routes in unknown regions always means more miles/smiles during the ride :)
I will - I am currently sufferring with issues in my right shoulder and using the cruise control to relieve the pressure is the only way I can ride longer distances.
I understand Andy, but if you were to hit a deep pothole at 73 mph with only one hand controlling the bike, you'd have more than an injured shoulder to deal with. The jarring would take you right off your bike. I've been there. Please break the habit, pointing at things really doesn't help the dialogue. Anyway great video, always informative. Keep it up, your one of the best out there.
The map layout looks 10-15 years ild. No 3D? No imagary or even countours etc? If the poster belownis correct and its mesnt to have a sim thr question is why? We have phones with data capabilities so why would we also need another sim? Useful video 👍
I'm possibly a bit of an outlier here, but i am in the process of returning mine (after a single day and 8 miles). Its no good with the 1200GS LC. as it doesnt read most of the information from the bike. so no trip meters, no speed, no auto trip display like on the nav 6. the lean angle view (which is the first field displayed on the bike menu) has nothing to read from. The map screen provides no information on current speed which is a unique feature from a nav device. displaying speed on the map was the key thing for me as the analogue dials are so low, and its difficult to see at a glance. i was hoping this would be a great upgrade from the Nav 6 for an older bike, sadly thats not the case. Great for newer bikes, as the routing and connectivity is streets apart from the Nav 6. Sadly, none of this information was available to me before I bought it. Its a totally cromulent device, just not for bikes pre 2017.
I found it worked fine on my 2013 LC! Albeit the labelling of towns and streets is a bit small but I suspect there is a setting to change that somewhere...that said my old Nav V still works just fine so I'm keeping that!
@@TheMissendenFlyer its the level of information available that was the deal breaker for me. and having been through all of the settings with a fine toothed comb, its at the mercy of updates from BMW rather than personal configuration. dont get me wrong, from a mapping and routing perspective, its orders of magnitude greater than the older Navs, the traffic is clearer, and connectivity with devices (phone/headset) is superior. it wouldnt suggest someone doesnt get it. its just not for me. it doesnt meet my use case.
@@MotoCoe You probably lack the option "Bordcomputer Pro" which is needed to get all the data from the bike. I have a 2015 1200RS LC and I get all that data on my bike. My friend has a 2016 S1000XR, but not the "Bordcomputer Pro" option, and he does not have all the data I have, such as trip info, lean angle etc.
I'm planning on getting a new RT this year and I already know I won't be relying on BMW's awful navigation solution. I'd rather have a self-contained unit I can take inside and update via WiFi once in a while. I work in IT, love tech on bikes, etc...but the way the BMW phone app works, it demands to be the 'active app' at all times. I'm not willing to hamstring my phone to have in-display nav. I may test with my old Pixel 5 w/o a data plan dedicated for use on the bike just to display a map. Otherwise, I may do what 'Nothing to Prove' has done and simply mount a Garmin nav unit.
I have this and find it very good, I did 'learn' that i had to remove my phone and Senna Connection from the bike and just have it connected to the Connected Ride plus I brought a cheap Data Sim card rather than use the phone data and that also works much better. The SIM card was £10 for 100gb per month.
Timely. My dealer in Tennessee just "gave" me a connected ride navigator. Mixed review so far. Also, I've notice that the clock update is not "connected". Something basic. AND, when I downloaded the app, I got the impression that a subscription would be in my future (not.)
clearly whoever wrote the instructions from bmw or whoever it was has never ACTUALLY connected a phone to one of these bikes otherwise they would see that what they have written is a load of shite! Why do so many companies struggle with getting the instructions correct!
You don’t need to download the app. Just connect using bt. However before you connect to Bluetooth you have to connect to WiFi. Not sure why. Once you’re connected to WiFi, go to connect phone via Bluetooth and connect your phone like pairing any other Bluetooth device
I tried the app on my previous GS and it lost the phone signal justvwhen I needed it so I reverted to using my Nav5 instead. For what I need one for I'll stick to what I've got already and save the £600 but a useful video for anyone who's thinking of getting one.
I understand that the new Navigator has a SIM facility in the unit so can upload and update en route. I have the Connected Ride Cradle which houses and wirelessly charges my phone but is still operated using the whiz wheel, the Motorrad app needs installing on your phone, but interestingly when using you get the map on your phone but also turn by turn instructions on your TFT. It looks like there is no turn by turn on your TFT with the Navigator, I think they missed a trick there! You also get all the bike info on the phone using this app.
Looks to me to be hard as hell and not worth a shit if one can't figure it out. Take a map. Might figure it out. Sure it works great with good connectivity. Good vid. I'm not a negative person toward tech but I live in the real world.
Hope you don't need the app open permanently now as it's a total pain in the arse. I have a connectivity cradle for my phone the biggest wast of money I've ever had.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Well if I recall you said that your feelings of making a decision on liking or disliking was not either thumps up or thumbs down but thumbs "upish which I thought was quite funny, some may say sit on the fence decision neither thumbs up or down , but I was suprised to hear on your personal level you did not seem to keen on the bike. From my point of view it will very difficult to beat the R1200RT and of course the R1200GS both of which I own as well , but I guess it all come down to personal preference . Any way , I am liking your video presentations, I have a allot to lean in this area, but am slowly getting there. Cheers Gary
How much faster does it run down your phone? I know using the navigation feature on my phone runs the battery down at least 3X faster than just listening to music and having the phone on.
Nice straightforward review of the basics of the unit. My kind of review! My issues with these phone-based piggy-back solutions is the reliance on the Bluetooth connection. Sometimes the connection is broken (from the get-go) for no apparent reason and the solution is to go into the phone and reset Bluetooth (turn off and then on again). When one needs to get going additional fiddling around is an irritation. On your ride you noted that the thing was offline and the phone was disconnected. See, with me that only needs to happen a couple few times before I would ditch the idea. Then the other concern for me is what happens when there is no phone service? This means no navigation. OTOH I do love the integration with the jog wheel and the idea of display of bike telemetrics its screen. That integration is its only selling point - in my view - over a stand-alone modern GPS. The BMW Nav VI is an excellent unit aside from the screen ghosting issues that have plagued it. Garmin has been very good about unit replacement, and there are rumours that updated screens for these units may now be included with the replacements - hope this is true. My replacement unit is still behaving. 🤞If not, then one would have to settle for one of these Connected Ride units if integration with the jog wheel is important. If not, then the very excellent Garmin Nuvo XT2 makes more sense and is cheaper. In a pinch without cell service, one could rely on using the phone directly and an app which has downloadable maps like CoPilot.
I think you can also type in a destination on the map on the app on the phone as soon as you turn the bike on it sends it, I find it easier than using the screen, on my bm scooter it works ok , on my Ducati connect it’s god awful 😂
Actually, BMW needs to incorporate Apple CarPlay into the TFT display like the Honda Africa Twin does. Beautiful system.
Hi Andy, I work for BMW Rider Training and I've had one of these to try out at work and on my own 1250GS. Apologies if others have mentioned this (I haven't had time to read all the comments) but the new connected ride navigator is the new hub for your phone and any intercom you may have. So if these have been connected to the TFT previously, you should delete the connections from the TFT and reconnect to the new connected ride navigator. As the connected ride navigator is effectively hard wired to the bike (via the sat nav mount) this is how it acquires the bike data (tyre pressures, engine temp, fuel level, MPG, lean angle, oil level etc.). This new unit is really designed to work with an in-built SIM card for the live traffic info, POIs and to sync your rides with your BMW online ID. If you don't have a SIM card installed you need to set-up a Wi-Fi hotspot on your mobile phone and connect to that. Once you've done that you will see the traffic info displayed (green line on map for clear roads, amber and red for delays, as per Google maps). With a Wi-Fi hotspot connected, your recorded rides will then appear in the BMW Motorrad Connected Ride App on your mobile. You can also set destinations or import GPX routes to the Connected Ride app on your mobile (e.g. in the comfort of your home) and as soon as you fire up the bike (with Wi-Fi connected), everything will sync up. It works really well, but you need it connected via Bluetooth & Wi-Fi to get all the functions to work. I plan to buy one soon for myself but will get a cheap data SIM card to install to save all the faffing with a Wi-Fi hotspot. Hope that helps. Cheers.
Crikey what a load of faff!!
Good info Dave. Thank you 🙏🏻
1. can you set out your planned touring route on your desktop computer and transfer to the device as per the current Nav 5 /6?
2. If connected to the phone is it using your phone Data?
Re 1 yes - you can plan your route using the TomTom planner or MyRouteApp
2 Yes one has to assume so - but not for the mapping, just traffic updates etc (the dynamic stuff)
@@TheMissendenFlyer thanks for coming back. With Brexit about to do away with our phones ability to roam on the Continent the cost of having your Data connected would be come eye watering whilst touring
It can’t be any worse than the one on my RT. After being lost in a Spanish town in the pouring rain when it dropped out again I fitted a nav 6 to the bike. My top tip is always carry a map with you!
The Connections menu is on the dash, not the nav unit.
Indeed, I heard him say the app said connect to the bike, not to the nav unit.
Yeah the guy is obviously a retard🤣🤣🤣 And he said it twice open the connections on the bike🤣🤣🤣🤣 But these are the people that “tell” you what’s good on a such bike or not pretty pathetic I’d say
Came here to say the same…..
Brilliant bit of kit
I bought mine when my old Nav 5 packed up after 6 years of daily use
It's realy useful and as you said a great display
I've had the app for some time and found it useful as it records all my journeys
Still not sure what the app adds to the navigator
Look forward to some more updates as you get used to it and as you found out the connections menu is on the navigator
Whoops Andy you even said it at the start connect the app to the bike
I have used Garmin on my BMW since the Nav III. I will take a dedicated GPS any day over a phone based navigator or even a navigator enhanced by a phone. Phone makes a great backup, but I like separation of function and redundancy and thus always use a dedicated GPS for navigation in addition to having my phone.
A good tip for the iPhone people, set up an Automation in the Shortcuts app to automatically open the Connected app when it connects to the BT on the bike. Set the Automation to Run Immediately. Saves opening the app ahead of time.
Good tip!
Sorry not being that techs how do you set that up in iPhone and how does it assist? Just getting to grips with CRN and connecting to phone and intercom (cardo).
@@allen-ty2it with the automation set, once you turn on the bike's ignition and the cradle connects to your phone (which is like instantly), it opens the connected app. Saves time if you use the cradle all the time.
App Shortcuts > Automation > New "+" > Search for "Bluetooth" > Chose Device (should be your cradle bluetooth "BMW XXXXX") > "Execute immediately" > Press "Next" button > Search for "open app" and then choose the "Connected" app. Save it and you're all set
@@TiagoVieira Thanks!
@@TiagoVieira This is solid gold mate, cheers.
I went through five Nav6s before I gave up on their "issues" and bought a Zumo XT. No problems after a year of use and it's a lot cheaper than Nav6 or this BMW version which I think is approx £600. I keep my phone as a backup with a quad lock attachment on the bike.
For some reason the Zumo 660/Nav 4 and the Nav 5 appear to be far more reliable than the Nav 6.
Sorry for what could be a silly question but does the Zumo XT fit and work in the BMW cradle that’s already mounted on the BMW?
@@nevillegriffiths8681 Yes but you need to buy an adapter, and the bikes wizz wheel wont work with this model
Hmm, Add-on Gate, Navigate, Constipate?
'In days of old, when gloves went cold & Sat-nav weren't invented,
we taped a half-mil to the top of the tank & rode around contented.
. . . rarely actually got anywhere though . . . didn't really matter back then! . . . 'Progress' eh? : )
Good review, thanks. I had the same setup as you on the 1200 GS - great.
It is a real pity that BMW went in the WRONG direction with the RT nav arrangements....I use a Zumo.... 🙂
just connect your phone to the TFT and all the Mottorad connected information will be displayed on the TFT.
this new unit is pointless really
Proper ‘man cave’ style review - top marks !
Thank you!
I’ve bought 2 of the CRN units so far and handed them both back as they both froze after a few days of usage. I’ve spoken to two dealerships who both report a number issues with the units even on latest software.
I use my phone with the BMW CR app as my sat nav - which works very reliably. I use the BMW phone cradle to keep the phone both charged and secure.
the connect to bike via settings was supposed to be to your bike (via the TFT) not the connected ride module. RTFM TMF. That said the connect ride app was designed before the connected ride screen was produced. The app gives you bike data, logs rides and gives turn by turn directions on the TFT in the absence of a navigator. I suspect the new navigator does both (gets the bikes vital stats via the cradle and is your nav).
Sadly I do't have a manual! Thanks for the tips though!
It needs to be 2” bigger all the way around.
How they can justify £600 for a satnav these days is ridiculous.
Make sure the firmware on the CRN is updated to the latest version Andy. The original v1.0 firmware had lots of issues.
As someone of a certain age, I found within 30 seconds I was drifting off to sleep. I like these old-fashioned things called maps. Yep, you need to stop now and again, but I don't mind that. I also find memorising routes before I set off is good for my old-age brain.
Then there is the enjoyment to be had when you are at home or in your hotel opening/unfolding the map and looking at it in its glorious entirety, the whole area (or country, I am currently researching a future trip to Morocco) visible.
Nonetheless, for you young puppies out there, I'm sure this is a great piece of kit.
I get that Bib - I personally use both, a map in the planning stage and a satnav when on the road….
...and I get that too....@@TheMissendenFlyer
The app is shite IME (experience with the R1250RT) - in fact it's the same one Moto Guzzi use. My word it eats battery, demands 24x7 access to location, etc etc. A shame, because the map view on the BMW is great, and the directions view on the guzzi is great, but stand alone sat-navs are vastly superior in functionality.
Thanks Andy very helpful. Just fyi, the manual is pure crap so you missed nothing. I just purchased this unit to go with a new 2024 GSA and while there are many positives vs my Nav V, a great deal of functionality has been lost eg if I am on a trip, I will have gpx sections color coded to keep them separate and to let me know when I have transitioned from one to the other (very useful when offroad), can’t do that now. There are other examples but for offroad, this unit is not as useful. Plus, I do not want my main phone linked to this unit. I have a back up phone on the handle bars which sends music to helmet and has a back up map (using GAIA). Not digging this at all thus far but still exploring how to use it.
Andy, whenever dealing with BMW Bluetooth, the Bike is 'the Hub', connect everything to the BMW Bike (via TFT) through connections, so Pair Navigator to Bike, Headset to the Bike, Phone to the Bike and let the bike handle the connections between them
This is not the case with the connected ride navigator. Everything must be connected to the CRN, nothing to the bike/TFT
Fun this isn't it.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer 🤣
@@edwelld good to know
This advice is contrary to @Edwelld - so who is correct?
When I used the connected ride app on my phone with my GSA 1250, figured out like others that it’s based off the Tom Tom.
Hi Andy, I love your youtube channel. Thank you. I think when the app ask you to connect with the bike, you have to connect with the bike. I am using the app without the Navigator and am connected to the bike. I am sometimes use the BMW connectedride cradle. When using this item I have also to connect withe the cradle. So what I am thinking is, you have firstly connect the app/phone to your bike. The phone/bike will remember this for the next times. Than connect to the navigator. (Probably the app or navigator will remember this also for the next times).
Connected the app to bike will give you information in the app about your motorcycle data and your trip data on the app
Connecting to the navigator will help the navigator to be up-to-date and give you information about speed limits and traffic information
I personally can’t justify the expense of this unit with a smartphone onboard already. Ram mount my phone to the handlebars and use google maps, easy enough. What is the benefit of having this expensive unit?
Integration is good plus you don't risk knackering your phone camera through vibrations (which I did once and hence why I will never mount my phone on a Quadlock again!!)
So the GPS successfully took you down a highway to another town on what appeared to be a highway that's been around for some years. That's great, but I assume an old Garmin StreetPilot from the late 90's would get you down that highway to the next town just as successfully. I was hoping for a comparison to determine weather it's worth the cost ($890 USD) of upgrading my current Nav V on by 1200GS.
After seeing this I became more happy with CarPlay on the Africa Twin. Sorry 😅
Yes CarPlay is a winner - I don't know why all bike manufacturers don't just integrate it and be done with it...
Hello friend. I found this device to be somewhat complex to use and installing some points (Waypoints) using coordinates is not that simple. The Garmin is more intuitive. Would you have any tips for inserting some speed radar-type points into the equipment. Thank you very much and congratulations on the video.
Always worth checking out how well it takes to change :)
Anyway, interesting to see how these things go. Connecting to my honda was a faff as well.
A great insight into my next possible purchase upgrade from the Nav 5. on anther topic that lead flapping about and rubbing the paintwork would bother me and I would have to change the routing somehow. :-) #ocd ;-)
A veritable bargain. It's frustrating how cars are mostly going Apple Carplay or Android Auto where you get relatively consistent access to your phone apps - including Waze/Google Maps etc. Bikes, Honda aside, seem to prefer to force you aftermarket or, in BMW's case, foist expensive and, IMHO, less effective add-ons on you. Thanks for the review though. Looking forward to the pillion comfort assessment!
Coming soon!
I'll stick with a Nav V for now I think and use a phone as a back up. I am quite handy with Basecamp and that combo with the Nav V works really well.
Does the garmin zumo xt display live traffic info ? Because if i have to buy a sim card when i pass countries in europe some may not provide internet connection unless i have local sim . If zumo provides it i go with it
Used the Nav V since 2016. Often use music on a SD chip. The new device does not do this. Phone connection here in Oz using Samsung, is very poor and often fails.
Actual GPS is good.
Price of new unit is horrendous.
Thanks for this. Spot on with respect to not reading the manual. Real men don't need instructions 😅.
And thanks for giving up what looks like a spectacular morning to be flying.
It sure was!
BMW is always so much faff! I have the connected ride app and built in Nav on my K1600 and that actually works okay when it is all connected up!
However, for down and dirty quick nav, nothing beats Google Maps on your phone just mounted to the handlebars!
650.00 is a lot of wedge when you have it on your phone.
Hello Sir, hello Andy, great work on UA-cam, i'm a fan but I have some problems with the new BMW connected Ride Navigator on my R1300GS. When the Navigator is in its holder, original BMW, it connects with your phone and packtalk after doing the necessary. So far, so good, but music quality is bad and I lose communication with my fellow riders in DMC-mode. The thing with this new navigator is that once it is in the holder you can not access connections in the TFT menu because it simply disapperars and so can not pair your helmet and your phone through the TFT what I always did with the Navigator 6 on my R1250GS. I think that is very strange and not good. My dealer told me they could shortcut some wires so that connections will reappear in the TFT but this will unable the rolling wheel to be used with the new Navigator. Do you have any experience in this matter and what are your thoughts about this? Many thanks to you and all that reads this.
I don't I'm afraid (I've never been able to get connectivity to work satisfactorily on any bike!)...what a faff!!
I have the exact same problem. The sound quality is horrible when playing via the CRN. Another thing is that when connecting as BMW suggests, there is no connection with the Packtalk Edge and my phone, so I lose the ability to control the Edge via its app. I would like to have control over which Bluetooth service every connection uses in the CRN. I think it’s a great device otherwise, but unfortunately I can’t use the phone and music controls. I do appreciate that the CRN is self sufficient with a SIM card in it, it does not need a BT connection to do its job.
Please be careful. Middle lane and one hand. They are out there amongst us. Someone will drop you in it for no reason whatsoever.
Now on my third nav 6, very poor reliability. Three units that simply ‘blue screened ‘. If the new one is actually reliable then it would be nice
Interesting video Andy, next time, clean the windscreen 😂
Sorry!
I much prefer a stand alone sat nav (I use a TomTom Rider) but each to their own of course!
Kimbo
I’m surprised that BMW doesn’t charge £300 for the app 😜
Hi Andy. Does this unit display speed and fuel range etc. like the NAV 5? Like you I use the NAV 5 for that purpose since my 2016 GSA does not have TFT and if I were to upgrade to one of these I would miss that feature.
Yes I think it does (withough checking for it specifically)....
No apple car play….criminal
It is a bit this day and age isn't it....how many BMW cars come with it I wonder?
Do you know if the new dash is also a tracker like the cars have with My BMW app?
Thanks for the research and practicality of your videos.
Wow - thank you very much!
I still have the Nav 5 on my RS and probably use 1/10th of it's knowledge. Being old school, I still use AAA maps and the GPS as my backup. I guess I'm too retro.!! Lol. 👍👍5🏍🙋♂️
I'm with you John!
Well, thats really straight forward😢😢😢 ???
Hi Andy
There is also s sun position from behind where the Navigator’s screen surface is totally rendered opaque. I’m looking forward to your final conclusions on the 1300 - I’m not at all convinced about mine sadly.
Oh dear, sorry to hear that - what about the bike are you not convinced about? WHat did you come from?
Not quite the same, but I've been using the ConnectedRide phone cradle and BMW app for nav. Overall, I can't complain about it. From what I can see, it's very similar to the Navigator as a solution. One thing that can be done is the TFT can display the turn by turn while the phone displays the map. I prefer that as it's easier to read. I do have an extra phone though so I keep my main phone in my pocket while riding and the second phone lives in the cradle.
I do have the nav phone and my Cardo connected to the TFT and that works well. Every once in awhile though, the whole thing loses mind and I need to repair everything.
Nice review. Thanks.
I love how spending £600 on a unit and then having to have an extra phone isn't seen as a major issue!
@@busterrabbit You're misunderstanding. First, BMW makes the Navigator shown in this video. They also make a Connected Cradle which mounts to the BMW nav prep and holds a phone and ties into the control wheel, etc. With the BMW app running on the phone, you get very similar functionality to the stand alone Navigator. I paid ~$150 for the cradle on sale.
You don't need an extra phone. I happen to have two phones (one work, one personal) and I use the work phone in the cradle and keep my personal phone in my pocket. Other people use an old phone with no service, possibly using the phone with service as a hot spot. The BMW app downloads maps locally so it doesn't even need service to work. You won't get real time traffic info though. The Navigator also doesn't need to be tied to a phone if you've already downloaded the maps.
Hi Andy, I am interested to know how traffic information, delayed etc. is displayed on the Connected Ride screen. I did like the Red bar across the top of the nav 6. I do understand a SIM card or hot spot on your mob phone is needed for this. Just don’t know where the info is on the connected Ride screen? Thanks.
I don’t know I’m afraid….
Start your video once you know the proper steps....I having issues getting all the features to work with my Cardo- nav and Tft so I can use Cardo voice commands...and advice?
That was the point - I was showing what it was like as a first timer, wasn’t intended as an instructional or “how to” video….
So what is the actual device in the cradle? I’ve got a ‘22 GS and use my iPhone in the Connected Ride cradle with the BMW Connected Ride App…. Works pretty well and integrates with the wiz wheel
It's called the "BMW Connected Ride Navigator"
Thanks Andy 👍
Hi thanks for el video, I have a query.
Can I use this new connect rider only as a gps? And still use TFT to handle music? I like being able to see the road in the gps (like I did in the old navigator 6) and have the music, calls and so on be used by the tft?
I like the fact that I can change the song just by moving the wheel and being able to lower and increase the volume also just by moving the wheel, if I use this new connect rider, I would have to leave the map, go to the music section and change the song, and then, return to the map, I don't know if I understand?
Thanks in advance, greetings
I don’t know I’m afraid - sorry!
I’ve had one of these for a few months now. Once you get the hang of it, it’s a big improvement on the nav5/6. The instructions provided are very thin and it has taken a bit of trial and error to get it to work as it should. Most important to note is that phone and helmet must be connected to the navigator NOT to the tft. I think the 1300 has different software on the bike which removes the connections menu item when the Navigator is present. It is still there on 1200/1250 but don’t use it, in fact best to remove the connection between the tft and your phone. This is a bit of a pita as you have to reconnect if not using the navigator. You can plan routes on the app on your phone including importing gpx files and these will automatically transfer to the navigator via “the cloud” provided both have WiFi connections - there is no direct connection between phone app and navigator. The new nav makes much better use of the wonderwheel than the nav5/6. Software updates keep coming, hopefully we will get speed camera alerts soon!
This advice is contrary to @KarlyBoy - so who is correct?
@edwelld Thnaks for that lot - very useful feedback!
@@getyourmotorrunning...me 😂
I'm not impressed by the device. Sound quality is really poor compared to a direct connection between the phone and the helmet. Routing is quirky. It sends you back to the starting point if you change something while driving. It can also send you to miles long dead end roads to turn around. Not all the buttons are controllable by the wheel. Typefaces on the map and in the search bar are tiny. It feels more like a first prototype than a proven solution.
I agree the type faces are very small and quite difficult to read when you’re on the move.
I was talking to a German fighter jet pilot who said (facetiously I presume) that his GS had as many gadgets and electronic feedback gizmos as the planes he flew. Humorous campfire hogwash aside, was the pilot on a total flight of fancy or was the comment close to the truth?
Guess it depends what Jet Fighter he flies!! - if it was something old generation he might be near the truth (not if it's a Eurofighter or beyond though!). Certainly the GS has more sophisticated everything compared to the old aeroplanes I fly!
What a faff Andy, strangely enough i don't have anything like that on my GoldStar but what i have got is something I've used for the last 50 years and it still works, it's called a map and a brain.
If you put a matte screen protector on your dash screen it removes the glare and makes it readable in direct sunlight. Protects it from getting scratched too... win win
The BMW screen protector does the job
So is this still a GPS or is it purely a phone driven device? If the latter, there will be times the signal drops out. Also, if using on a trip through Europe there will be roaming charges.
It still works, even if you don’t connect it by phone, it has a built-in GPS as I said in the video.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Apologies for leaving the comment. I didn’t recall you stating it had built in GPS, only that it worked to a degree without a phone connected.
I own a R1200R from 2018. have i all the Features of this new BMW CRN?
If I do on my 2013 GS then I don’t see why not!
I couldn't see current speed, is that available? I always ride by GPS speed due to the how speedo's have to over-read by law and GPS speed is more accurate (with a good connection to the GPS satellites). The device looks a bit small too and I agree about the labels being too small. Not all of us have 25-year-old bionic eyesight!
Yes you can show current speed same as you did on the old nav V and VI
Just minus 10% from your current speed 🤷🏽♂️
I have a 2024 1300 GS, is there any way to override the Navigator from pulling the music playback function form the bike? Thx
I dunno - sorry!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thx again.
I have same one , THE PROBLEM is once you put the address in phone on app bmw connected app should automatically transfer to navigation same is going to TFT in navigation you need to enter address manually, which is not good. Is easier to do it on phone and after to pop up on nav but I think BMW should do something about
WhooHoo. Saturday Andy
How about route planning? You could use basecamp on the old nav. Can you plan with the new unit?
Yes you can but I tend not to get into that - as I said I'm a "simple" user!
Has anyone figured out how to delete recents and favorites from the unit?
...seems not!
Interesting vid. Although I just can't figure out why bikes of this type & cost don't have an inbuilt Sat-nav system. Especially BMW who have their long standing car tech to fall back on. Seems lazy & an overly complex & ultimately unnecessary choice on their part. It's disappointing & no excuses imo.
BMW Nav, with the cradle , is K-rap. The connected ride app, with my iPhone ProMax mounted on a Quad Lock, is a decent enough work around for turn by turn navigation.
Nice unit. For a BMW accessory I think it’s priced right. I suspect it’s still made by Garmin.
It is not made by Garmin. I think I read it's made by a company called Cyrus (maybe wrong) and it uses TomTom mapping now.
@@davepyerbe interesting what computer software it uses for route planning
Looks like Garmin has now teamed up with Yamaha. The Tracer 9+ has Garmin based nav
hi, do you know where to switch on altitude display? tnx
I'm afraid not no....
I used a prototype version of this last July/August on a 14,000km 5 week ride through Central And Western Australia. I found a few bugs and made a few suggestions but essentially it was a pleasant unit to get along with. And I didn’t get lost!
I don't understand why BMW made it in a size that won't fit into the integrated GPS dash on the touring bikes. Per BMW "The Tourer models R 1200 RT, R 1250 RT, K 1600 GT, K 1600 GTL, K 1600 B and K 1600 Grand America are excluded."
BMW navigator street came with my 2nd-hand Yammy Tracer. Kept using it because it has the power cradle hard-wired in. Saves me charging my phone to use google maps. I wouldn't use it otherwise. Google maps is better and likely most el-cheapo GPS units off ebay would be aswell. Also £660 for a GPS device? They're avin a laff!
connected ride navigator is basically the price of a garmin zumo xt AND an xt2 as of this video. Frankly BMW is taking a bit of a piss with this unit, especially since it still doesnt allow google maps. Looks good, but the price and functionality is a bit of a miss.
I really just want one screen on my bike, with an intergrated GPS...or even Apple Car Play (Goldwing/AT).
Completely absent from this review is what I view the most important value of touring, route planning on a computer!
When trying to get from point A to B in a city, Google or Apple Maps is more than sufficient on your phone
What I use my garmin/nav6 for is to plan multi day/week adventures where I can really drill down and zoom in to find the most interesting roads and set waypoints accordingly.
How does one prepare routes offline and how does this compare to BaseCamp? Cause nobody is addressing this question and nobody at the dealerships knows either?
Far too techy for me - I just use a map for planning purposes - sorry!
@@TheMissendenFlyer haha fair enough.. but I have to ask then, what added value do you find using this $1000 device vs google/apple maps, or one of the numerous ride apps, if not used for route planning? not trying to pick a fight, I'm sincerely trying to understand! I can also easily control music or answer a call (does anyone really do this??) with a click of my comms unit. I know us GS riders have to have at MINIMUM 3 active screens at all times to look cool, but what am I missing?
And yes I carry paper maps, but they hard to share with a group, and I find a pre-planning routes in unknown regions always means more miles/smiles during the ride :)
Not really missing much - just the ability to control the unit with the whizz wheel and the various bike parameters the unit displays.
Really worries me the way you seem to be only riding with one hand. Noticed on most of your videos. Please take care.
I will - I am currently sufferring with issues in my right shoulder and using the cruise control to relieve the pressure is the only way I can ride longer distances.
I understand Andy, but if you were to hit a deep pothole at 73 mph with only one hand controlling the bike, you'd have more than an injured shoulder to deal with. The jarring would take you right off your bike. I've been there. Please break the habit, pointing at things really doesn't help the dialogue.
Anyway great video, always informative. Keep it up, your one of the best out there.
The map layout looks 10-15 years ild. No 3D? No imagary or even countours etc?
If the poster belownis correct and its mesnt to have a sim thr question is why? We have phones with data capabilities so why would we also need another sim?
Useful video 👍
I'm possibly a bit of an outlier here, but i am in the process of returning mine (after a single day and 8 miles). Its no good with the 1200GS LC. as it doesnt read most of the information from the bike. so no trip meters, no speed, no auto trip display like on the nav 6. the lean angle view (which is the first field displayed on the bike menu) has nothing to read from.
The map screen provides no information on current speed which is a unique feature from a nav device. displaying speed on the map was the key thing for me as the analogue dials are so low, and its difficult to see at a glance. i was hoping this would be a great upgrade from the Nav 6 for an older bike, sadly thats not the case. Great for newer bikes, as the routing and connectivity is streets apart from the Nav 6.
Sadly, none of this information was available to me before I bought it.
Its a totally cromulent device, just not for bikes pre 2017.
I found it worked fine on my 2013 LC! Albeit the labelling of towns and streets is a bit small but I suspect there is a setting to change that somewhere...that said my old Nav V still works just fine so I'm keeping that!
@@TheMissendenFlyer its the level of information available that was the deal breaker for me. and having been through all of the settings with a fine toothed comb, its at the mercy of updates from BMW rather than personal configuration.
dont get me wrong, from a mapping and routing perspective, its orders of magnitude greater than the older Navs, the traffic is clearer, and connectivity with devices (phone/headset) is superior.
it wouldnt suggest someone doesnt get it. its just not for me. it doesnt meet my use case.
@@MotoCoe You probably lack the option "Bordcomputer Pro" which is needed to get all the data from the bike. I have a 2015 1200RS LC and I get all that data on my bike. My friend has a 2016 S1000XR, but not the "Bordcomputer Pro" option, and he does not have all the data I have, such as trip info, lean angle etc.
I'm planning on getting a new RT this year and I already know I won't be relying on BMW's awful navigation solution. I'd rather have a self-contained unit I can take inside and update via WiFi once in a while. I work in IT, love tech on bikes, etc...but the way the BMW phone app works, it demands to be the 'active app' at all times. I'm not willing to hamstring my phone to have in-display nav. I may test with my old Pixel 5 w/o a data plan dedicated for use on the bike just to display a map. Otherwise, I may do what 'Nothing to Prove' has done and simply mount a Garmin nav unit.
I have this and find it very good, I did 'learn' that i had to remove my phone and Senna Connection from the bike and just have it connected to the Connected Ride plus I brought a cheap Data Sim card rather than use the phone data and that also works much better. The SIM card was £10 for 100gb per month.
Unfortunately it will not fit the BMW1250 RT 2019. I will have to continue with the Garmin or go Chinese .
Timely. My dealer in Tennessee just "gave" me a connected ride navigator. Mixed review so far.
Also, I've notice that the clock update is not "connected". Something basic. AND, when I downloaded the app, I got the impression that a subscription would be in my future (not.)
Ha ha this is like getting a bunch of bike mates to connect the Senna devices they purchased!
It gets put into the too hard basket 😂
Just got mine yesterday thanks for the help!
No problem 👍
A pity about the lack of any "safety camera" notifications for all those 'dangerous' places, unlike the Garmin units.
Thank you for posting. Very informative video.
Glad it was helpful!
clearly whoever wrote the instructions from bmw or whoever it was has never ACTUALLY connected a phone to one of these bikes otherwise they would see that what they have written is a load of shite! Why do so many companies struggle with getting the instructions correct!
A younger person pointed out to me that a photo of the label on your wifi router on your phone means you’ve always got the password. Well, duh… 😊
Yes I have done the same but can never find the picture of the label!
@@TheMissendenFlyer hit the ❤️, make it a favourite.
You don’t need to download the app. Just connect using bt. However before you connect to Bluetooth you have to connect to WiFi. Not sure why. Once you’re connected to WiFi, go to connect phone via Bluetooth and connect your phone like pairing any other Bluetooth device
I tried the app on my previous GS and it lost the phone signal justvwhen I needed it so I reverted to using my Nav5 instead. For what I need one for I'll stick to what I've got already and save the £600 but a useful video for anyone who's thinking of getting one.
I understand that the new Navigator has a SIM facility in the unit so can upload and update en route. I have the Connected Ride Cradle which houses and wirelessly charges my phone but is still operated using the whiz wheel, the Motorrad app needs installing on your phone, but interestingly when using you get the map on your phone but also turn by turn instructions on your TFT. It looks like there is no turn by turn on your TFT with the Navigator, I think they missed a trick there! You also get all the bike info on the phone using this app.
Looks to me to be hard as hell and not worth a shit if one can't figure it out. Take a map. Might figure it out. Sure it works great with good connectivity. Good vid. I'm not a negative person toward tech but I live in the real world.
TMF ,my local dealer has a 1300GS in white and blue, with the gold wheels. It is gorgeous!
Hope you don't need the app open permanently now as it's a total pain in the arse. I have a connectivity cradle for my phone the biggest wast of money I've ever had.
Thumbs UP-Ish - Love it ....Very useful video , nice work .
Many thanks - why only "ish" out of interest?
@@TheMissendenFlyer Well if I recall you said that your feelings of making a decision on liking or disliking was not either thumps up or thumbs down but thumbs "upish which I thought was quite funny, some may say sit on the fence decision neither thumbs up or down , but I was suprised to hear on your personal level you did not seem to keen on the bike. From my point of view it will very difficult to beat the R1200RT and of course the R1200GS both of which I own as well , but I guess it all come down to personal preference . Any way , I am liking your video presentations, I have a allot to lean in this area, but am slowly getting there. Cheers Gary
@@garyspracticalworkshop357 Aha I understand now, thanks for explaining!
@@TheMissendenFlyer pleasure....
Great Review - Love themissendenflyer videos!
Thanks!
How much faster does it run down your phone? I know using the navigation feature on my phone runs the battery down at least 3X faster than just listening to music and having the phone on.
why the hell would the clock on the bike be wrong? all this tech and they cant even get the time correct. WTF is going on with bmw?
Nice straightforward review of the basics of the unit. My kind of review!
My issues with these phone-based piggy-back solutions is the reliance on the Bluetooth connection. Sometimes the connection is broken (from the get-go) for no apparent reason and the solution is to go into the phone and reset Bluetooth (turn off and then on again). When one needs to get going additional fiddling around is an irritation. On your ride you noted that the thing was offline and the phone was disconnected. See, with me that only needs to happen a couple few times before I would ditch the idea.
Then the other concern for me is what happens when there is no phone service? This means no navigation. OTOH I do love the integration with the jog wheel and the idea of display of bike telemetrics its screen. That integration is its only selling point - in my view - over a stand-alone modern GPS.
The BMW Nav VI is an excellent unit aside from the screen ghosting issues that have plagued it. Garmin has been very good about unit replacement, and there are rumours that updated screens for these units may now be included with the replacements - hope this is true. My replacement unit is still behaving. 🤞If not, then one would have to settle for one of these Connected Ride units if integration with the jog wheel is important. If not, then the very excellent Garmin Nuvo XT2 makes more sense and is cheaper. In a pinch without cell service, one could rely on using the phone directly and an app which has downloadable maps like CoPilot.
You can run it as a standalone also you can install a sim card so it becomes a phone so the best of of all worlds
I think you can also type in a destination on the map on the app on the phone as soon as you turn the bike on it sends it, I find it easier than using the screen, on my bm scooter it works ok , on my Ducati connect it’s god awful 😂