Your Most Important Putting Stat
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Today we talk about the ONE statistic you should know by heart regarding your putting percentages. This not only will help us better organize our practices by giving us a focal point, but will also inform our decision making on the course! It all flows from this concept.
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0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Track this stat
1:20 - Why?
2:17 - Confidence
2:56 - Decision Making
6:24 - Managing Expectations
7:11 - In closing
7:36 - Right? - Спорт
I remember a McBeth vlog where he went for a long putt and it hit the front rim and he commented "That doesn't bother me because I didn't do anything wrong. I putted for the wind I expected, and it changed, which is outside of my control, so the miss doesn't bother me."
Very stoic attitude
I read somewhere that C1X exists bc pros rarely miss inside 3M so I knew I was losing TONS of strokes on the green and after I topped the Disc Golf Valley World Rankings in May (true story 🥳), I was curious to see how good I could get at disc golf irl if I gave it a similar effort (spoiler alert: dg irl is exponentially harder than DGV 😂). First thing I did was commit myself to 1k< putts/wk. Then I set up shop at 4M until I could make 100 putts in a row. Once I did, I was able to make 100 more (for a total of 200 in a row) and that’s when I knew it was time to move back to 5M. Pretty soon, I started documenting personal bests for every single distance between 4M-20M and knowing my exact percentages when I’m at my absolute best, in ideal conditions (grooving a stroke at a basket on flat ground, with no/low wind, no obstruction, no nearby water/OB and my preferred stance) has DRAMATICALLY improved my decision-making for all situations. And better decision-making, coupled with 25k+ practice putts, dozens of hrs of field work and approach practice, and enough discipline to limit myself to 1-2 actual rounds/wk = going from a previous personal best of +2 at my local course to a current personal best of -6 for the exact same layout. 🤷🏻♂️
C1X PUTTING
4M/13’ - 100% (6/29/21) Streak: 200
5M/16’ - 99% (10/27/21) Streak: 92
6M/20’ - 94% (11/1/21) Streak: 45
7M/23’ - 89% (10/19/21) Streak: 26
8M/26’ - 80% (10/19/21) Streak: 24
9M/30’ - 79% (10/18/21) Streak: 14
10M/33’ - 65% (11/4/21) Streak: 11
C2 PUTTING
11M/36’ - 45% (10/19/21) Streak: 4
12M/39’ - 36% (10/28/21) Streak: 4
13M/43’ - 29% (10/28/21) Streak: 3
14M/46’ - 22% (10/31/21) Streak: 3
15M/49’ - 20% (10/31/21) Streak: 2
16M/52’ - 18% (10/31/21) Streak: 3
17M/56’ - 16% (10/31/21) Streak: 2
18M/59’ - 12% (10/7/21) Streak: 3
19M/62’ - 11% (10/31/21) Streak: 2
20M/66’ - 7% (10/7/21) Streak: 1
This is close to how I have been practicing my putting. I start at 2 meters with 5 putters. If I make all 5 I move back 1 meter, if I miss 1 I stay, if I miss more than 1 I move forward 1 meter. It really does build confidence. I start at 2 meters even though that's way within my 100% range because just seeing the disc go in the basket sets you up for a better practice session than starting at 5 meters and missing the first three putts.
Great video.
You’re a great coach, dude. Simple, succinct explanations that just make sense. I’ve learned a ton from this channel.
Thanks Battle Chicken. Can’t wait for your second movie.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf for real. Me either 😂
Now that I've just watched more than 10 of your videos, I realize I can just automatically hit the thumbs up when the video starts because they're all so helpful.
Gotta give the support I can to the great videos!!
Can’t wait to see what else you have on putting.
Thank you for making this. I actually started doing this a little more than a year ago when I got fed up with missing point-blank putts. I needed to build the skill and self-assurance to putt on the course. So I would start at 10 feet, putt 25 times (5 sets of 5), then move back a foot, and repeat that process until I got to 15 feet. If I had more time I'd go back as far as 20 feet. What this did was allow me to properly teach myself to putt, through trial and error, and give me options to make adjustments over time (in power, release angle, nose angle, etc) so I could get the confidence based on competence. Now that I know my limitations, it lets me know that 20 footers and beyond are not as upsetting when I miss, just as when I miss the occasional point-blank putt. Later I added straddle putts to this, so 3 sets of 5 staggered putts, followed by 2 sets of straddle putts (left foot behind the lie, followed by right foot behind the same lie).
This is how I learned
Another fantastic and straightforward video that was beautifully shot and entertaining to watch. Keep up the great work folks, we all appreciate it greatly!
I love the idea of letting your practice sessions give you concrete information to guide you when making game day decisions. I see how this could alleviate some of the unnecessary pressure I put on myself and give me more confidence. Thank you for the clear explanation of this useful concept. Now I'm ready to go discover my 100% putting range!
Love it, love it, love it.
Using similar drills to extend my confidence range with the various putting techniques, staggered stance (spin and spush) and straddle stance (spin and spush). I also practice when it is windy, confident 15 foot putts with 10+mph wind has been a game changer.
Keep up the great work fellas.
Rock Stars 🌟
Nice Vid! Good tips on confidence, I heard it said somewhere, if your not making more then 50% of your practice putts, then your training yourself to miss. That led me to start practicing more at closer range, and I have felt that increase in confidence that you speak of. Keep up the good work fellas!
Excellent insights! Knowing that 100% putting distance also impacts your upshot practice as now you focus on getting those upshots into that "100% circle" vs. aiming at the basket or being happy with circle 1. You're helping us increase our deliberate practice...thank you!
So thankful to you guys for taking (at least) 5 strokes off my local courses. Started playing again after about 4-5 years, you guys really got my game together. 🤙
This is perfect. Love watching these videos.
I now know what to do to endure trough this cold, dark northern winter. You will find me and my basket in a local school gym-room or whatever its called. 😂
Thank you for taking the time to teach, inspire and bring a warm happy feeling to all of us freezing our asses off here up north ❤️🥶
This is a tip eagle had a long time ago and I stuck with. I worked on 15 footers until I got so confident that I moved to 20, and now I usually practice from 25.
Doing good work here lads. Thanks for what you do!
Quickly becoming the best disc golf channel on youtube.
Thank you so much! Second time watching😀
Super early release. Great watch with morning coffee.
"We just neglect the process of getting to the longer puts."
Damn, Josh, why you gotta call me out so directly?
Sorry
Great video, I am now a better putter. Just set up my basket in my apartment at a distance that felt automatic and sunk 100 in a row. That was 9ft. Moved back a foot and made 59 in a row then sunk a bunch more after that. Moved back to 11ft and missed the 2nd one. I now know exactly how to approach getting better and knowing my game. Would have helped so much at my last tourney.
Excellent advice!
Good thinking, I've been kind of doing this unconsciously but its good to get an outside voice confirming
This was a good video overall. You don't have to go for everything sometimes a lay up is the best option to score. I like the discussion about scoring. He doesn't specifically say that but that is what he's talking about with the decision making and scoring is more important that birdies in tournaments. They aren't mutually exclusive but they also don't equate to the same thing depending on your division. A lot of times a par is scoring in the lower levels, Novice, Rec and Intermediate, maybe even in advanced. Birdies definitely are but bogies rarely are scoring. I like to look at previous scores or tournaments held at the course and UDisc scores to see where the scoring holes are.
this takes "learning from your shortcomings" to a whole different perspective
I don't think many players have a set 100% range and I think that's where the problem is for many, who've already played several years and tried putting in a solid practicing effort. For me the 100% range varies a lot depending on the day, and even more from practice green to a green on a course. Also, I've found that trying to put long putts close doesn't always get you shorter putts than running them. At least here, in the wooded courses of Finland, targets are quite often placed on uneven ground and hillsides, which results in a lot of roll-aways and other unexpected outcomes. But I'm not trying to say you should never lay up, I just feel it's way more complicated that this video makes it up to be. Aaand, it could just be me and it works for everybody else. Thank's for the videos, I enjoy the content and have learned a lot from them.
great video! I like your style
This is easily the best putting video and may also be the best upshot strategy video on the internet. I’ve gone from 17’ to 19’ in a few weeks. (Which means my 100% putting circle diameter went from 34’ to 38’) and my disc golf game is way easier to plan with all this in mind.
Great video thank you 🙏
I struggle to make a 350ft drive, but I've pushed my 100% putt range to 20 ft, which I know isn't that impressive, but I mention it to say: I score about as well as my bud who can throw 500 (and if I may also say, is a bit of a loose cannon). The point is that putting makes such a huge difference, seriously. If you struggle to get big distance, work on your putting, because that can get you equivalent scores. Everybody wants to throw far, but putts can do the trick too.
Another awesome vid, my biggest reason for enjoying your tutorial vids more than others... your not a skinny twig guy, I'm 5'10" 270 and the form vids I watch really don't work with how my body is built and works lol. Always wanted to see someone do this comparison from overhead to show either how different or similar 150lb vs 250 plus form. Also a huge fan of DGN and cheating Lefty because they also like to eat lol.
I really liked the explanation of how you should not beat yourself up about misses that are outside the range where you are automatic. Because you need to realize you are not gonna make 100% of them and that’s ok.
Love the idea of having a 100% range, not so much the decision to not run a jump putt that would land 10 feet beyond that range. I would still have a very high chance of making the comeback putt plus the chance of making the jump putt. So for a practice standpoint in your yard I totally agree, not so much for playing a course, especially not for a training purpose.
If enough people do this the talent pool for real competition will grow exponentially
I was thinking that to figure out what your comfortable with making during a competitive/scored round then you should practice in similar style. So if your by yourself and your at basket create a award incentive for yourself and take shots from different spots heights and levels.
To get lots of reps and muscle memory try seeing how many you can make in 60 seconds from 25' over and over and over again. Do the same thing from different distances shorter and longer. It's fun. And also video yourself so you can critique you own form and make small changes as you see necessary.
Josh back in your "Know your disc" UA-cam days you had a putting style I've emulated and it's working quite well, and I want to suggest you do a putting video explaining it, breaking it down. It's the one you used in the "Innova Traveler Basket Review" video, in which you have a way of developing a lot of snappy putting power beyond what one would expect from a common spin-type technique. I think a lot of people, including myself, would benefit no matter what their ultimate throwing style ends up being. (Sorry for giving away your past life...).
I haven't watched that in ages. lol. Thanks for the throwback. I am in the middle of reworking my putt so I am going to stay away from a technical analysis of it for a bit. After our first putting video here on the channel I could not putt because I over analyzed putting form. I'm just now getting it back. Maybe once I get a solid putt going again I will go for it, but right now I'm going to (perhaps selfishly) avoid it.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Sorry, Josh, but since you've established yourself as the ultimate go-to bible of DG, since my drive follows every bit of your drive videos and had gone from 180ft to 315ft, a putting video from you is....going to be interesting if and when you make it. Totally understand how analysis paralysis can disrupt what is often at its best when it's the right-brain, intuitive feeling thing that putting is. Thanks again for the excellent coaching-and especially the drills like slappy and twirly-those made ALL the difference.
Makes sense to me!
I had an interesting change this season where I added more practice of 40-60ft putts to my game because my 20ft game felt very strong. I felt like I needed to get better at running the C2 looks and being confident in the comebackers. I hit a lot more C2 looks this year than it feels like I ever have before. I think a part of this practice regimen is that you need to be good at jumpers/approach shots that hit your 100% zone in order to even make use of it. If your upshots are garbage and your 100% is 15ft I'd argue you need to practice equally on expanding the 100% AND increasing the accuracy of the shots that get you to that 100% zone in the first place.
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I've been doing something similar. For the last month I have been practicing 23ft. Out of 9380 putts I've made 82%. I feel pretty confident at that range now. If we're strictly talking 100% range, it's like 15-17ft. I know I can make every shot. But, I gotta say 20-25ft feels pretty comfortable now.
Also, I have figured out if I use the same form and throw up to about 70ft. I will be on target. I probably won't make it. But it is a nice lay up, that is no farther than 8ft from the basket. That has given me the confidence to run more putts. Since I know I am not going to miss so horribly(barring an unlucky roll, can't plan for those) that I'll be out of "automatic" range. I've already seen a stroke improvement. I am now +2 or 4 on courses I would normally be +6 to 9 on.
Sick! Great work. Automatic is 💯 range for me. Mostly 💯 confidence range. I know there will be some misses
Even steph curry doesnt shoot 100% from the freethrow line. Love this vid
Very good video....
I've tried the 50 in a row, but am more likely to miss one because my mind wanders. 10 in a row seems sufficient to me, but those 10 have to be dead on to the pole.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve missed #48. I’m stubborn so I would start over.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf My arm would fall off before I succeeded at anything past 10 feet :)
Great guidance. I'm a run everything kind of guy which leads to 3-putts. Guess I need to back down!
Great advice. Have you done a video on jump put form/techniques?
It’s inside our first putting video
Oh You Lee
Can you do a few more videos on putting? Since it matters more per stroke than anything else, and separates players more than driving distance as you go up in rankings.
I think I can make every putt, literally. 25' and in is a high % for me. I miss more from 15 than i do 20 lol
4:32 Nice to see that I'm not the only one to get a trigger every time I hear "Let's see how it plays out."
Cemented in my mind
I was just doing this myself. I realized i was like 50% out side the circle but was acting like it was 100. It's a coin toss. Some goes for throwing. In an open field i can hit 475+ 2 times i threw 510 ft out of thousands of throws. If the landing zone 500 ft away ibhave a 0.2 chance lol ima layup
Sweet I'm first in the comments today that's awesome I don't know what to say cuz I didn't watch this video yet but you guys are awesome and I hope I get lessons from you one day
Said simply: practice making putts, don't practice missing putts.
I definitely wonder what you think between the different schools of thought on putting practice. Eagle says to practice at 15-20 feet because you want to see putts always going in the basket. Some people suggest the games of making 3 at 15 move back to 20 if you miss one move up 1 step and make 3 there. I was told by a local pro to always practice from 40 feet because even though you might make 2 when you step up to 20 it looks easy as hell. I don't play for money or have a basket currently so I don't really do anything but play lol. But I did used to always practice from 40 and it did seem to help me, but I wonder sometimes if there even is a "best" option. Maybe it's best to just practice regardless of how you do it.
Oh I forgot Option F is the mcbeth strategy. Putting from 30 feet with the top of the basket and chains taken off so you have to hit the pole lol
I think starting inside the 100% range is important then you can move back to increase your range with confidence.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf yeah I really think that's a good idea, even just ending your practice trying to 10-20 outside the circle or something
@@shiftonephoto yeah. Only thing I would say is to make sure the comebackers are all in the 100% range. Unless you’re just going for jumpers from a ridiculous distance entirely for fun. Fun is important too
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I currently have the gift of tennis elbow which I can't rid of so I've been throwing lefty now for about a month. Throwing lefty is pretty easy to teach yourself honestly, the plant is almost identical to a right hand baseball swing. Putting on the other hand or sidearm... Yeah my lefty 100% might not be even 5 feet currently...
but I do know exactly what you mean. I actually got really good being to putt from at least 70 feet without jumping or anything, at 80-100 I'll do a small step through. But when I'm that far I tend to throw it a little higher for almost a hyzer dunk. So I can give it a good chance, but a miss is usually 2-10 feet.
Plus I think part of the tennis elbow came from snapping hard spin putts in the wind and stuff since it's such an abrupt stop of the arm..plus carrying around a 15 lbs camera at tournaments 4 days 6 some hours a day
@@shiftonephoto I actually think that abrupt stop is a big injury prone thing with spinners.
I am 90% from 20ft. I am still taking a chance from 60ft even if I know a miss might land at 20ft, especially if I'm practicing.
Makes sense to me
Going Yoda on me.
how can i throw saftley in winter conditions?
Safely as in not break a disc?
My 100% range is 30 feet, but I have a lot of flukes lol:D:D
my problem is my 100% range in practice is significantly different from my 100% range in a tournament ... it's all mental.
You should create a caddy guide book for beginners.
I plan on doing some caddying pretty soon to get some experience there
How often is a round of disc a lesson for you? To me, getting coached during a round would be the ultimate lesson.
I can do that format. Doesn’t happen often though.
Try putting with the Esp nuke
Dang, too bad all my flukes happen when I'm playing with friends
My practice putting 100% 20’ my tournament 100% is 5’ lol
If you were making everything from 52 feet, you would be James Conrad.
That’d be pretty sweet
My 100% range is only 6 feet.
Add a foot every other week and you’re at circles edge by EOY
I guess my misses are all flukes 😆
There is no hundred percent range
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I did see Adam Hammes miss a tap out so you have a point lol
@@shiftonephoto btw. I messaged your boy and got left on read 😂
@@OverthrowDiscGolf eh not uncommon, I do too hahahahah 😂 we were talking about this all day yesterday, so he had to of been driving or something, I know he's doing a lot of clinics lately.
@@shiftonephoto i just saw corey ellis miss a one footer
What if missing my 10 footer puts me 11 feet away 🤔 🤣
Unfortunately I have been there
100% range is too high of a standard. 95% or even 90% is probably better. If you have a 25% chance of making a 50 footer and a 95% chance of making a 20 footer come-back putt, you are losing strokes by not running the 50 footer even though the 20 foot come-backer is not 100%.
100% actual is unreasonable given a large enough sample. The point is 100% confidence/expectation.