Should You Play Against Level 9 CPU's? (Smash Ultimate)

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  • Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
  • What's wrong with the computer players in Super Smash Bros Ultimate? Should you only play against real people? I'm here to tell you that maybe CPU's might NOT create bad habits and why they could actually be a good tool to use every once in a while.
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  • @Yasir_
    @Yasir_ 3 роки тому +1100

    I only play against level 9 CPU's because I have no friends, my siblings hate me and my dad doesn't want to get me online. Life's good

    • @JupiterrV2
      @JupiterrV2 3 роки тому +60

      LG- life’s good

    • @Litchy51
      @Litchy51 3 роки тому +66

      Same here I have no online and my brother is too busy playing call of duty

    • @cheeepybaby6861
      @cheeepybaby6861 3 роки тому +24

      same with my brother and sister they would always say they would but always go back on their word cause they are playing on their ps4.

    • @senpaii4076
      @senpaii4076 3 роки тому +6

      U a squidward

    • @Yasir_
      @Yasir_ 3 роки тому +4

      @winsley ocampo I got it from my grandpa on my birthday

  • @chysavrc.3643
    @chysavrc.3643 2 роки тому +434

    My only grudge on CPU's is that they can instantly react to any of your moves, which makes comboing them extremely hard, which causes the match to be more of a cat and mouse chase than an actual fight...

    • @ChrisJohnson-yw2ky
      @ChrisJohnson-yw2ky 2 роки тому +60

      Yea it's just not fun. I don't like playing online but when I do it's fun to at least hit some good combos. CPU's just dodge out of them mostly.

    • @Will-lh4lh
      @Will-lh4lh 2 роки тому +40

      Yep. Their DI is perfect, always. Very hard to practice combos on them, this is especially detrimental when playing combo characters. (I secondary Ryu)

    • @Dioniselgriego
      @Dioniselgriego Рік тому +13

      yes it is very frustrating

    • @wyattdegroot417
      @wyattdegroot417 Рік тому +9

      I've played against a level 9 cpu Bowser and I managed to hit some zero to death combos and dunk him twice with mario

    • @Whalordius
      @Whalordius Рік тому +16

      This is why I test combos on level 9s to test practicality. It’s hella useful

  • @cruzdesangre2850
    @cruzdesangre2850 3 роки тому +127

    Objective: Have fun.
    Obstacle: LV9 Sephiroth and Kazuya.

    • @ffiiggyy
      @ffiiggyy 3 роки тому +22

      Don't forget Battlefield Doc Mario.

    • @LezSpringfield
      @LezSpringfield 8 місяців тому +7

      lv 9 dedede and incineroar too

    • @rick-fl7ql
      @rick-fl7ql 2 місяці тому +1

      LV9 Aegis, Steve, and sora

    • @UshiSound
      @UshiSound Місяць тому

      ryu is a tank n im losing my shit

  • @dragonfruitreal
    @dragonfruitreal 2 роки тому +81

    i will never forgive nintendo for putting online smash behind a paywall all i can do to accomplish anything in this game is to gradually work up to winning against like 5 level 9 cpus at once or something cause I can't fight against actual people

    • @Ghoats
      @Ghoats Рік тому +18

      ur not missing out on anything from not playing online. the online in this game is absolutely unplayable i would rather play against cpus

    • @RockPile_
      @RockPile_ Місяць тому

      @@Ghoatsit’s good now

  • @christianescobedo6497
    @christianescobedo6497 3 роки тому +359

    Cpu's basically only airdogde, parry at the most bullcrap frames, and nair spam at neutral, so to some degree they are good for practicing. Still, if you wanna get better, you gotta go to tourneys

    • @LegionsTyphoon
      @LegionsTyphoon 3 роки тому +38

      nair spam and dair spam.
      Fuck mario and yoshi CPUs lmao

    • @iasongain4497
      @iasongain4497 3 роки тому +23

      @@LegionsTyphoon they're just like online players

    • @crabnebula1816
      @crabnebula1816 3 роки тому +21

      You can try baiting airdodge but that parry is fucking bullshit

    • @spiritualak5147
      @spiritualak5147 Рік тому +2

      Yep 💯💯💯

    • @DavinTurner
      @DavinTurner Рік тому +3

      @@LegionsTyphoon And peach and Daisy CPUs.

  • @julianspatter3005
    @julianspatter3005 3 роки тому +68

    My worst habit is running off stage as Cloud without Limit and thinking "I can recover"

    • @lyricsaisteticgeisamigxs9559
      @lyricsaisteticgeisamigxs9559 2 роки тому +10

      Sonic and cloud are My mains and learning how to play with cloud was a pain in the ass because i was used to sonic's good recovery...

    • @Ruby_BFB
      @Ruby_BFB Рік тому +3

      Yoo sonic is one of my mains too my other is pichu

  • @mythoughtsexactly2145
    @mythoughtsexactly2145 3 роки тому +337

    CPU 8 is good for me. The 9 cpus parry so...prefectly

    • @familiedorr1457
      @familiedorr1457 3 роки тому +117

      Yeah the parrys are ridiculous.
      They literally parry better than top players

    • @thea6440
      @thea6440 3 роки тому +30

      That's why i learned to parry EVERYTHING :)

    • @eclipseumbreon955
      @eclipseumbreon955 3 роки тому +28

      CPU 9 are easy to grab because they’re so reliant on their shield. I don’t think it helps too that I also have Monado Arts that can make it easier.

    • @陳嘉宇-y4q
      @陳嘉宇-y4q 3 роки тому +16

      @@familiedorr1457 Even Light aka Parry prince never parried that perfect

    • @AshenDemon
      @AshenDemon 2 роки тому +40

      @@eclipseumbreon955 I swear if you stay in shield for more than 0.5 a second against a lvl 9 they're grabbing you.

  • @pilkmaster
    @pilkmaster 3 роки тому +149

    I can normally beat them consistently, but occasionally there will be one so cracked that the zero-death me. So inconsistent and insane

    • @redgerran
      @redgerran  3 роки тому +42

      That's me when battling real people. 😂 One minute they suck and the next minute I suck.

    • @jaymoe9805
      @jaymoe9805 2 роки тому +8

      Like level 9 Kazuya

    • @monky4640
      @monky4640 2 роки тому +10

      its like how lv9 icies suck but then for some reason lv9 dr mario is insane

    • @deoxysandmew2162
      @deoxysandmew2162 Рік тому

      @@monky4640 Nah bro. Dr.Mario just spams pills and spams Down B.
      If you dont let him do any of that shit, he gets 3 stocked EZ.
      I've learned to parry his pills every time he threw them at me. When that happens, the grab is coming, as he has no answer to that, parrying his pills and not moving, other than a dash grab.
      Otherwise, its a braindead AI that relies on Down B frames to rack up damage and avoid shit. Its honestly gross.

    • @big_rednc.
      @big_rednc. 6 місяців тому +1

      Lv 9 pikachu play like esam

  • @The4Tifier
    @The4Tifier 3 роки тому +130

    I personally found that, as a beginner, practicing against CPUs dramatically improved my fundamentals.
    With their perfect reactions, quick movements, and solid play style, I was forced to quickly learn the fundamentals to stand a chance against them, and overnight I got better thanks to it.
    However, when it comes to advanced levels of play, ultimately you need to play against humans. They are more unpredictable and can adapt to different play styles and matchups better than CPUs can.
    So IMO, if you want to get better at Smash, this is how to do it;
    Beginners: Play against CPUs
    Intermediate: Play against CPU’s and watch professionals play to perfect your play-style
    Advanced: Play against other humans
    Expert: Go to tournaments

    • @Aaa-bi8ly
      @Aaa-bi8ly 2 роки тому +3

      Instructions unclear: Wrecked Kazuya CPU 3x over and became new Sephiroth CPU

    • @Aaa-bi8ly
      @Aaa-bi8ly 2 роки тому +2

      I genuinely beat Kazuya CPU LV9 multiple times over though

  • @rThorStone
    @rThorStone 3 роки тому +65

    challenge a lv 9 mii character, they have pinpoint accuracy. the program knows what buttons you are pressing so it's like their looking into your hands. they know when you're not blocking, what buffered move is next, and so on. its like counting cards

    • @NN-ut1rf
      @NN-ut1rf 3 роки тому +4

      Really? Why them specifically

    • @rThorStone
      @rThorStone 3 роки тому +9

      @@NN-ut1rf they're really fast and their moves are creative. I've fought characters and ive won bt miis are different. Theyre on poiny. They also can read you and adapt

    • @eltemplariodetierrasanta7234
      @eltemplariodetierrasanta7234 3 роки тому +6

      Oh, thats true. Mii Characters are really creative when fighting and sometimes they are a pain in the ass but still fun to fight against.

    • @AirAjavan1233
      @AirAjavan1233 3 роки тому +9

      And challenge a lvl 9 King K Rool He’s really good

    • @rThorStone
      @rThorStone 3 роки тому +6

      @@AirAjavan1233 RIGHT?! Maan listen here , i have and he's learned my moves so quickly.
      He, Incinaroar and roy are my rivals
      The Ai's are crazy

  • @nekoblue77
    @nekoblue77 3 роки тому +68

    I have the skill level to win locals, and I have won several, but other than for casual play, I prefer playing against CPUs for practice because they're actually better than 90% of elite smashers who just lag and spam and still lose.

    • @shaquilleedmondable
      @shaquilleedmondable 3 роки тому +3

      Thank you!!

    • @bigmoist990
      @bigmoist990 Рік тому +3

      CPUs is all I have cuz none of my friends want to play against me. No more local tournaments in my area and I refuse to put up with smash's online, I'd much rather pass another kidney stone

    • @deoxysandmew2162
      @deoxysandmew2162 Рік тому +5

      FINALLY, I've found the comment I was looking for.
      Looks like its not only me who thought the same, that CPU's feels vastly superior due to combination of Online discrepancies and just desperate fucks who camp spam, cause it allows them to win.
      At least Lv.9's keep things moving.

  • @Shmup_Art
    @Shmup_Art 3 роки тому +102

    What upsets me about CPU's, is that they only go for the human player ONLY. Its very annoying to be honest, especially in team battle

    • @theskullspookychannel6343
      @theskullspookychannel6343 2 роки тому +26

      I thought I was the only one who noticed this during Team battles

    • @jetertj
      @jetertj 2 роки тому +18

      I know the feeling they jump me even thou I knocked them out. They still come after me especially on teams

    • @clone6141
      @clone6141 2 роки тому +18

      Bro I swear in every team battle I have My teammates aren't even fighting it's more like they're Protecting me from the enemy team

    • @deoxysandmew2162
      @deoxysandmew2162 Рік тому +8

      Its been like that since Brawl bro.
      I've been playing Lv.9's for years in both games and I can tell you and assure you that its the fact.
      Thought they would fix that shit in ultimate, but nope.

    • @byletheisner2479
      @byletheisner2479 Рік тому +3

      Really late comment but yess and i hate when they jump me and one of them spikes me or launches me to the point i can’t recover and die

  • @ObsoIeteQuality
    @ObsoIeteQuality 3 роки тому +42

    One problem I have with Level 9's is that it's easy to manipulate them into doing a neutral airdodge. After I launch them upwards, they always neutral airdodge when I jump towards them. They don't use a directional airdodge nor an attack.

    • @redgerran
      @redgerran  3 роки тому +13

      CPU's usually go for whatever is their best option in that specific moment. They don't plan ahead or do setups or anything, which is why you'll never see one do a Luigi 0 to death combo. CPU's are mainly to get used to the character overall (and yes, they like to air dodge and perfect shield all the time haha).

    • @brandonparsons9991
      @brandonparsons9991 2 роки тому +8

      Yes! After you fight them over and over you notice they get scared into air dodging quite easily. Then it's a matter of punishing after they dodge..

    • @shannonjones8877
      @shannonjones8877 Рік тому +5

      I have found that this is generally true, but not always. I've definitely had times where i launched a CPU upwards and jumped after them and they responded with a dair instead of an airdodge.

  • @LunarCrescent
    @LunarCrescent 3 роки тому +54

    I fight LVL 9 CPU's because I had no online during the summer. But here I am today, playing against real people most of the time. But if I'm really bored, I can always go against some LVL 9 CPU's because they're pretty fun (but sometimes annoying) in my opinion.

  • @nikoraiskio7663
    @nikoraiskio7663 3 роки тому +86

    My only bad habit is down air smashing off the stage LMAO

    • @chickennugget6723
      @chickennugget6723 3 роки тому +13

      This is so relatable. I usually die at least once per match like this lol

    • @eltemplariodetierrasanta7234
      @eltemplariodetierrasanta7234 3 роки тому +8

      I know right? But damn, its so funny and the satisfaction someone gets when doing this and hitting the right spot, is just...awesome.

    • @crabnebula1816
      @crabnebula1816 3 роки тому +1

      My bad habit is not pressuring shield correctly and basically never airdodging lol.

    • @AirAjavan1233
      @AirAjavan1233 3 роки тому

      Me and my cousin do that a lot

    • @inlegend2129
      @inlegend2129 3 роки тому +1

      Man i keep doing that with zss thinking im kirby

  • @BltchErica
    @BltchErica 3 роки тому +72

    There's actually something scary about "you didn't win against the CPU, they let you win", to think that something is so perfect it knows every move you make as soon as you input it and knows the exact thing it needs to do to counter it, and the fact that it's not alive makes it even scarier. Imagine something like this in real life.

    • @shago90
      @shago90 3 роки тому +9

      its actually happening
      thats the purpose of quantum computing microsoft is working on, the golden dream of every dictator

    • @Neresuki
      @Neresuki Рік тому +1

      And boom now we have advanced artificial intelligence

    • @soofeesh
      @soofeesh 6 місяців тому

      20xx meelee meme

  • @ssssssloth
    @ssssssloth 3 роки тому +32

    I like this video. The one thing is the "CPUs let you win" thing which is lowkey invalidating hahaha but I get your ultimate point there. These CPUs are programmed to be perfect and counter everything so they have things that make it so players can overcome them.

  • @pamoon_
    @pamoon_ 3 роки тому +37

    I have difficulties against Lv. 9 CPUs depending on the character. Characters like Steve and Banjo are hell spawns since I main Jigglypuff and I can’t do anything against Uairs, even if I try to land.
    The perfect parries don’t help either.

    • @anstorner
      @anstorner 2 роки тому +4

      or DR Mario/Luigi spamming the cyclone like actual mains

  • @EntaroAdun42
    @EntaroAdun42 3 роки тому +16

    insightful. I'm "new" to smash so this was helpful on what the community probably thinks about this.

  • @Nikkerman
    @Nikkerman Рік тому +2

    Biggest reason to play against cpu's is the online is garbage so you're on average playing a less gimmicky opponent while also getting use to the much lesser offline delay time that you'll have to get use to for tourneys

  • @astrumm4567
    @astrumm4567 3 роки тому +16

    I agree with you. Lvl 9 CPU's are great to pick your main, start practicing and feeling comfortable with the game in general. They can help you to develop your tech and movement.
    I usually play against a friend who's pretty good and actually competes in local tournaments with good placements. I didn't have a lot of problems playing against him in neutral game and it was easy for me to notice his habits (he always tech'd in place or in, never out f.e.) but I would always drop a lot of punishes that even tho I practiced them in training mode, in an actual match they were very hard for me to pull off. (Palu's downthrow turn around bair, or good DI and SDI, for example). I started practicing stuff against CPU's (reactions, punishes, general movement) and I managed to beat him more frequently :)
    If you play against CPU's you should only focus in tech, movement, fluidity and learning the matchups with your main and that's because you'll never practice mind games, adaptation and an actual neutral game against a CPU. What I actually think is bad against CPU's it's regularly switching characters when you get bored or doing stuff that would never work in a real match consistently. (Charging random smashes and still getting the stock, being careless of your recovery, mashing moves without any purpose, or cheesing in general f.e.)

  • @joeydrew5295
    @joeydrew5295 3 роки тому +7

    But I don't care for online or metas. I'm just here to play for fun, good vid by the way

  • @AwesomeMooseSmile
    @AwesomeMooseSmile Рік тому +3

    "CPUs don't have specific tendencies"
    I disagree, there are plenty of instances where I've read what a cpu will do and punished accordingly

  • @stephme2686
    @stephme2686 2 роки тому +3

    Playing against people makes me nervous and the internet is flaky, I play video games to have fun not to stress myself out, so I enjoy playing against CPU’s, don’t think it’s worth me stressing myself out just because other people say I need to play online lol

  • @vyruim
    @vyruim 3 роки тому +11

    Okay, good, see as a new smash player learning basic techniques like short hopping, properly learning how to use ariels, punishing, spacing, etc. I play against the CPU mainly to get fluent with my characters since I don't have friends and my wifi is complete trash so I don't play online. I try not to get comfortable with moves that I know for a fact will work with a CPU. Instead, I try to mix things up so that I don't get used to doing the same thing or spamming. The Lvl 9 CPU has taught me so many things and I want to prove the people who talk down on playing against CPU's wrong.

  • @VD_RXTR0
    @VD_RXTR0 Рік тому +6

    I only play against cpus cuz I don't have a membership to play online :,)

  • @brimp4989
    @brimp4989 3 роки тому +56

    I would play against lvl 7-8 cpus since lvl 9’s are so frame perfect it’s inhuman

    • @dreadknight2439
      @dreadknight2439 2 роки тому +11

      Almost like it’s not a human to begin with…. No but seriously the frame perfect dodges and parrying are rediculous

    • @danknados
      @danknados Рік тому +1

      especially lvl 9 kazuya

    • @SadielHrz
      @SadielHrz Рік тому

      @@danknados lvl 8 kazuya doesnt even let me get on the stage once I reach 30% and he stuns me and kills me 4 hits is all he needs to murder me

    • @danknados
      @danknados Рік тому

      @@SadielHrz who's your main?

    • @SadielHrz
      @SadielHrz Рік тому

      @@danknados i mostly use Ken, Ryu, terry, joker, and c Falcon, sometimes sonic

  • @bekkfxst
    @bekkfxst Рік тому +3

    What really helped me was World of Light and the Spirit Board matches. I don’t know I could put my finger on exactly why right now, but I’d guess it’s because they difficulty and/or strange conditions force you out of your comfort zone and force you to grow if you want to win, plus, it keeps you playing and engaged more than just doing normal cpu matches.

  • @Micha-Hil
    @Micha-Hil 2 роки тому +6

    I play against Level 9 CPUs because I'm lonely and I don't have NSO

  • @bobcole8516
    @bobcole8516 3 роки тому +10

    CPU’s are all I fight so yeah, they can give bad habits, but when I get a wild hair and go online i just have to keep in mind not to fight the same way I normally would, I main Bowser so he’s the ultimate adapt character anyway. I almost always loose the first match but you just have to adapt, if u get punished multiple times doing something, mix it up
    When I really try I’m usually able to conquer most opponents, probably the biggest thing is think creatively and DONT GIVE UP

    • @bobcole8516
      @bobcole8516 3 роки тому +3

      One thing about it, THIS version of Smash has arguably the toughest CPU yet so yeah, you can get a few bad habits, but none that are unbreakable so long as you can adapt in a match

  • @CallmeLQ
    @CallmeLQ 3 роки тому +12

    I can beat lvl 9 CPU with my 3 best characters, but sometimes when I'm just trying to learn how to maneuver and have a little fun, it can really be a buzz kill. The precision is unreal most of the time, and you do feel more like they let you win than you beat them. I'm not sure what to do about it since I have no one to play, it would be nice if online wasn't so bad.

  • @jeremyc3496
    @jeremyc3496 5 місяців тому +1

    The only bad habits I can think of is holding smash attacks and having coms freak out and often roll into your attack because their way more aggressive

  • @KaizenTheDisciple
    @KaizenTheDisciple 2 роки тому +6

    For everybody wondering TLDR: unless it's someone who u know irl, don't bother with online. The input lag completely ruins it, and u have to play completely different than u would offline. Lvl 7 cpu is the most realistic, and even better than most trash cans online. Lazytendo makes one of the greatest games, and still flops it.🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @matthopkins2024
    @matthopkins2024 Рік тому +1

    It also helps to practice both ends of a matchup.

  • @FrancisDashwood1
    @FrancisDashwood1 2 роки тому +4

    As someone that has always enjoyed the game more casually, yet still enjoying to duke it out from time to time online. I have to say the level 9 CPUs have always been an inseparable part of the experience for me. Whether it be to actually work on some match ups a bit more or just having fun. Of course it is obvious with the nature of how they work, they will never be able to afford the same experience another human can, and that can be taken both in good and bad ways of course. Still even though I am not really competitive, I enjoy the challenge they provide and I also realize that if I were to want to be able to play more seriously, only CPUs and only people way above or below your skill level aren't really the best ways to be able to become better. I think it takes a bit of everything.

  • @FelipeKana1
    @FelipeKana1 2 роки тому +4

    Nice video. I'd like to bring a few facts from my experience.
    1st fact is that the online play is gruesome in many places (like here in Brazil)
    2nd is that this game with online lag, even when its a really small and ok-to-play lag, becomes a completelly different game, and all the reaction times and button prompts our brains get used to become slightly different, but different enough to ensure you're gonna get pummeled in locals if you play too much online.
    (as an example, my first local tournaments I was a mess, but then the pandemic and online tournaments came, and I fared much much better, thats because I used to play online always)
    3rd fact: CPUs are much better in this game than in the games before. The devs really listened to the feedback and made it count. So the bad rep CPUs had on previous game is not entirely deserved in this one
    4th fact: training with people at about your skill level or slightly higher is better than playing with CPUs, but playing with CPU's is a better training protocol than playing with online lag from randoms.

    • @deoxysandmew2162
      @deoxysandmew2162 Рік тому +1

      Finally, an another comment that I was looking for.
      Yep. From my experience, Offline and Online are literally two different games.
      If you learned the game too much offline, you will have to re-learn the whole game again, if you go online.
      If online wasnt so garbage....

  • @snapjackal
    @snapjackal 3 роки тому +4

    I'd argue that any time spent honing a skill is time well spent. There's always going to be the ideal way to practice, but "ideal" and "only" are not synonyms.

  • @angelmacias7818
    @angelmacias7818 3 роки тому +7

    Oh yeah, also if you can’t beat a level 9 cpu, you may not fair so well, this is applying to me since I have bad habits already that I have not develop yet and be better

  • @ShizBliz10
    @ShizBliz10 Рік тому +3

    I tried to practice via Training against Lv-9 COMs and although it was ok, a bit challenging, the game for some reason decided to chose both of the 3 or 4 characters with 5 jumps (Jigglypuff and Kirby) and they, although were great at attacking, kept running away like it knew I HATED opponents that tend to run away almost all the time

  • @RodrigoMera
    @RodrigoMera Рік тому +2

    I hate that feeling you mentioned: You didn't win against the CPU, they let you win.

  • @DoBap_
    @DoBap_ 3 роки тому +11

    I simply can’t play online. Whenever I do it feels like a quarter second delay on my controls. Don’t know if its my connect, or if Nintendo’s servers are trash...
    Well, probably both.

    • @redgerran
      @redgerran  3 роки тому +2

      There is a little bit of a delay online, which is why there's a completely different tier list online compared to offline (with Sonic being the consensus #1 overall).

  • @DaquanHarrison
    @DaquanHarrison 3 роки тому +6

    I am so annoyed and angered by Lvl 9 CPU players in this game! Always frame perfect dodge my combos and jab locks, always perfect shield my reads, stand in one side and spam the same moves over and over again, constantly hop around the stage like a bunny, and keep throwing me off stage to go for a desperate offstage kill that doesn't prove anything every time I get back on stage until their desperate offstage hits! They ruin the fun and enjoyment of this game! Goddamn! I wish I can play people online in Smash!

    • @redgerran
      @redgerran  3 роки тому +5

      As annoying as it is when they do that, it's still beneficial in some specific ways. When you play against real people, they'll be able to dodge your combos, perfect shield your moves, and all those other things computers do (although maybe not as often), and by playing against CPUs, you learn things like which moves are safe on shield, how to get through a campy playstyle, etc.
      Plus, once you go online, you'll be surprised just how annoying real people can be.

    • @rThorStone
      @rThorStone 3 роки тому +1

      challenge a lv 9 mii character, they have pinpoint accuracy. the program knows what buttons you are pressing so it's like their looking into your hands. they know when you're not blocking, what buffered move is next, and so on. its like counting cards

    • @BM-vs5jg
      @BM-vs5jg 3 роки тому +4

      I would not recommend online. Lag, disconnects, takes too much time to setup matches. Playing level 9 cpus is the way to go.

    • @DaquanHarrison
      @DaquanHarrison 3 роки тому +1

      @@BM-vs5jg Yep. You're right.

    • @Simon-hs7ik
      @Simon-hs7ik 3 роки тому

      online gae

  • @sully6191
    @sully6191 2 роки тому +3

    I play against level 9 CPU cause I have no friends the only bad habit is that they force you to play defensively rather than how you usually play I’ve beaten level 9 numerous times and only lost like 8 matches to them because of uncertainty the good habit is you learn their attack patterns and read their movements

  • @crimsonhoshi6928
    @crimsonhoshi6928 3 роки тому +4

    (War flashbacks to getting 0 to 87 after one Steve grab anvil up tilt combo)

  • @williamcompitello2302
    @williamcompitello2302 3 роки тому +2

    Lvl. 9 CPUs alternate between being ssj and garbage during the match. Once they're garbage, it's too noticeable.

  • @Asura92817
    @Asura92817 Рік тому +1

    I havent played ssbu online not even once, and ive been playing against lvl 9 cpus since day one, its gotten to the point that i can kinda predict their moves.

  • @thomasverslycken2563
    @thomasverslycken2563 3 роки тому +4

    I recommend fighting a lvl 50 amiibo with the same character & fighting style as you, because your best training partner is yourself & once your a certain amount more skilled like the AI, start reseting the amiibo AI & train him all over again & keep doing that

    • @AirAjavan1233
      @AirAjavan1233 2 роки тому

      Are they like lvl 9 cpu

    • @thomasverslycken2563
      @thomasverslycken2563 2 роки тому

      @@AirAjavan1233 well, i used NOT to be, but i've barely played smash bros ultimate in quite a long time (i now play rivals of aether a lot more) now i'm actually quite bad at the game because even lvl 9 is a bit to strong for me, but i was never good to get into elite smash with anyone at all anyway because my win rate was only 50%, but using amiibo is just something i reccomend

  • @MrTheBigNoze
    @MrTheBigNoze 9 місяців тому

    Level 9 cpus I've found play predictably, but perfectly. I'm also convinced they can read inputs, since they always seem to anticipate my get-up option and perfect parry. You can cheese them, especially when they get stuck on platforms or air dodge, but for most "casual good" players they provide a challenge.

  • @pkcryo
    @pkcryo 3 роки тому +9

    You’re videos are really good, I was surprised when I saw your subscriber count. You deserve more so hopefully your vids start getting traction lol
    Frick I main Lucas again why must you hurt me

    • @pkcryo
      @pkcryo 3 роки тому

      Double jump cancel zair is what I think you’re talking about

  • @hydrobear2553
    @hydrobear2553 3 роки тому +6

    Thank you so much dude you helped me find my main and you should have more subs

  • @Bugaboo8
    @Bugaboo8 Рік тому +1

    I've literally have heard no one tell me playing against CPUs is bad.

  • @Dealve
    @Dealve Рік тому

    So as someone who basically only plays against lvl 9 cpus since I hate online with a passion, and dont have any friends who play smash near me. I also go to some locals (2-2er most of the time lol). My two cents on this one is that cpus definitely have their habits, for instance they like to airdodge in juggle situations a lot (real people do this one too tho), they also almost always hit techs, or paradoxically get stage spiked where some people dont. They also almost always DI in exactly the same way, which is what I would say is the biggest struggle only fighting cpus since sometimes you'll get used to getting a confirm or followup in a specific way even if a real human would get out of it pretty easily.
    Also by far my greatest period of improvement was when I was consistently playing against some of my roommates a couple years back, so if that's an option it's definitely the best one, but I think there are probably quite a few people in similar situations to me that can't get real person practice easily, and I don't think cpus quite deserve the reputation that they have.

  • @giancarloandretorresguzman7717
    @giancarloandretorresguzman7717 6 місяців тому

    If you’re practicing your bad matchups against cpus, I recommend also choosing a stage where they might have an advantage. For example, fighting against a ZSS on Smashville.

  • @MarioLuigi25
    @MarioLuigi25 3 роки тому +6

    I think playing against CPUs and real people can both help you learn and grow as a player. Level 9 CPUs in particular provide a great (albeit sometimes annoying) challenge and they play like pro Smash players would. They will gimp and edgeguard you and hit you wth some pretty hard-hitting combos as well as parry and perfect guard when needed. That being said, it's still different from playing against an actual human being. Players have different skill sets and have their own unique playing style. It's up to you to learn their style and adapt to it as needed.

  • @thirtyfivekansei
    @thirtyfivekansei 9 місяців тому +1

    Great video, liked and subbed

  • @keithang1031
    @keithang1031 3 роки тому +5

    I go against level 7 and if I’m looking for a challenge I do level 8 I’m gonna go against once I can finally learn combos

  • @GameAflameYT
    @GameAflameYT 7 місяців тому

    People say “don’t play against CPU’s, you’ll develop bad habits”
    Well I just played 5 games online, and every time the rule set was FS meter with garbage stages, and I went from 7.6M GSP…. To 3.7M

  • @therockazoid
    @therockazoid 2 роки тому +1

    I still do it when I'm trying to learn a new character.

  • @neros1277
    @neros1277 3 роки тому +5

    I can't even beat lv 6 cpu
    Why am I watching this

  • @veryconcernedjesus2584
    @veryconcernedjesus2584 8 днів тому

    I always say to play against CPUs to see what’s possible
    And against players to see what you’re actually capable of

  • @salazardeltoro4561
    @salazardeltoro4561 Рік тому

    I've never listened to a single thing anyone ever tried to tell me about how to play Smash and I still stomp their asses, 24 years strong.

  • @Lakjager
    @Lakjager 5 місяців тому

    I’d recommend that if you’re just starting out. First find who you want to play and then watch tournament play of that character/tutorial. (Still remember that you probably can’t do anything they do yet) And then once you get to level 7 cpu skill keep doing that till you can easily beat a level 7 and then slowly level up the cpu.

  • @theoneidiot5575
    @theoneidiot5575 2 роки тому

    i been playing smash since release and been only doing cpu 9,im planning to buy online soon so im hyped

  • @scrp6638
    @scrp6638 2 роки тому +1

    Level 9 CPUs sometimes use 2 moves in like one frame. Absolutely mad.

  • @Yoshiihsoy695
    @Yoshiihsoy695 Рік тому +1

    I FUCKING HATE IT . I’ll throw a thousand items and moves out and they’ll dodge every single thing and manage to land a critical hit in one shot .

  • @at0minic
    @at0minic 2 роки тому +1

    I feel like CPUs are good to train against cause they adapt to your gameplay forcing you to mix it up. (Just a disclaimer I know this video was posted 11 months before I posted this comment, I don't know if they changed CPU behavior since then)
    This is before I watched the video
    Half way through the video and I would like to say CPUs do adapt, if you keep doing the same things and keep trying to hit the same combo they will eventually adapt, an example is Mario F-air, if you are hit one against a level 9 the CPU will change it up and maybe start jumping.
    Finally at the end of the video, I do agree people believe CPUs give bad habits, but for training purposes for specific characters does help.
    Example, you keep losing to Duck Hunt with his random projectiles, smash attacks, and other jank (I lost to a Dunk Hunt online twice by them only using the B button and smash attacks), then I played against Duck Hunt CPU and starting adapting to it, started losing a lot less matches against Dunk Hunt since.

    • @s3eriousbl9ck26
      @s3eriousbl9ck26 2 роки тому

      They don't adapt they react to your inputs on frame one. Playing them is really bad for you because it makes you hesitant and will mess up your spacing against human players. And they do this on the lower levels as well.

  • @AzureTechGD
    @AzureTechGD 3 роки тому +8

    I can beat a level 7 CPU yes... I’m bad lol 😂💖✨

    • @chazzilla8919
      @chazzilla8919 3 роки тому

      Hey me too, level 7s are hard for me sometimes but it's mostly because I haven't learned my character well enough and I should do more combos. I recently beat my first level 8 with da Joker baby but I wasn't playing so well, and I definitely want to improve.
      Sorry for the long comment, but yeah I'm motivated to improve!

  • @donowolf
    @donowolf 3 роки тому +1

    A UA-cam video that was on-point and didn't overstay its welcome. Cheesus woofbarking christwaffles.

  • @woah6204
    @woah6204 3 роки тому +7

    you deserve so many more subscribers

  • @drewdonewell2568
    @drewdonewell2568 3 роки тому +1

    Great video it sums up my thoughts too basically 😎👍
    Subscribed because you seem to make great content!

  • @Honcat_ru
    @Honcat_ru Рік тому +1

    I hate when cpu air dodge every single up air and parry at the most bullshit moments possible

  • @wyattdegroot417
    @wyattdegroot417 7 місяців тому

    I rarely play online due to bad netcode, and the godforsaken GSP system, like you could win one match and gain 50,000 GSP, but lose one match and lose over a million GSP, and the fact that there's no leaderboard system to track how much GSP you need to enter Elite Smash

  • @RedBloodAura
    @RedBloodAura 3 роки тому +1

    0:46 when I started to main king k rool I started just crowning and canonning but now since I'm in 6.4 mil I have definitely changed up my strategy

  • @thecalamity7611
    @thecalamity7611 Рік тому

    When I was much younger, I had once beat 3 lvl 9 bowsers as Luigi

  • @randomuser234-wb4rw
    @randomuser234-wb4rw 3 місяці тому

    CPUs can sometimes be dumb. Sometimes they just die, which leads to all the "luigi wins by doing nothing" videos. Chances increase when on a custom stage as they may not particularly adapt well to the gimmicks.

  • @Neltheraku
    @Neltheraku 19 днів тому

    3:22 that clip is every Jigglypuff players wet dream :D

  • @Lextry_official
    @Lextry_official 5 місяців тому +1

    5:35 trust me when i say that they can and WILL edge guard

  • @dragonjames4500
    @dragonjames4500 3 роки тому +1

    CPU's help with learning. like a book

  • @dianatendo98
    @dianatendo98 2 роки тому

    Lv 9 CPUs are, in a nutshell:
    "Go ahead and jump, JUMP"

  • @NinetyQuil
    @NinetyQuil 11 місяців тому

    My best method of practice against CPUs is to make sure that I have clear intent on what I want to do against them. Regardless of whether I win or lose.
    I play Chrom, Roy and Incineroar. So let's say for example that I want to work on my combos with Roy. If I want to become more and more consistent with jab -> bair, that will be my main focus. "How do I set up into this combo?"
    "How consistent can I get with it? "
    "How is my opponent going to DI to try and make me miss it?"
    These are all questions I have when I play against CPUs. Practicing against them isn't necessarily bad after you have the fundamentals when you have clear intent. You have to know what you want to learn to work on. But it's also not necessarily good. There is no be-all-end-all solution.
    However, it's optimal to have a good mix of both humans at your own skill level and CPUs in order to improve, and then adjust that ratio accordingly.

  • @jeremyc3496
    @jeremyc3496 Місяць тому

    My problem is the slight input delay online. It throws me off 100% of the time

  • @sizzleglare
    @sizzleglare Рік тому

    Lvl 9 incineroar scares me because all he does is grab you and throw you and kill you at 50% or more

  • @stretchyboi6042
    @stretchyboi6042 2 роки тому +1

    I found out that I suck against both. In the 400 hours that I've put into practicing against real people and lvl 9 bots, learning tech and combos, and trying out different characters, I still haven't managed to get a character past 5 million gsp. I suck at this game and sometimes I wonder if I should just put it down.

    • @judithforever9494
      @judithforever9494 Рік тому

      I started playing super aggressive characters and it made the game a lot more fun

  • @frankieallen0
    @frankieallen0 2 роки тому

    Level 9 CPUs are very smart. It’s best to have one or more of them be one of your teammates in team battle so you can learn to become a Super Smash Bros Ultimate Champion.

  • @ethan5915
    @ethan5915 Рік тому

    as far as habits built by only fighting CPUs, my roommate can attest that they are now in the nigh unbreakable habit of kind of just camping all game. They have 0 clue how to edge guard or even really how to chain together basic combos because they only play against perfect DI CPUs all the time. At first, their playstyle was obnoxiously difficult but between fighting them and CPUs, as well as other opponents, suddenly I knew how to beat the strategy he employed. The problem NOW for him is that he can't break out of his habits and unlike me, he isn't willing to try to learn any better.

  • @rexi3582
    @rexi3582 Рік тому

    I play against Cpus lvl 9 just to learn some basic combos from a character i want to learn to main, when im ready i will go on real ppl, maybe is not the best way but i will start learning how ppl play and how to counter them

  • @smorinator
    @smorinator Рік тому

    level 9 cpus are really easy to bait into an air dodge and for me seem to really love to stand on a platform, parry your attack, and either down smash or up b punish.

  • @gerryfromthevoid8986
    @gerryfromthevoid8986 2 роки тому +3

    CPUs allow you to practice combos, movement and spacing, along with getting the feel for your character, in a low-stress environment. I feel like until you've mastered your main (as in can land their combos etc consistently), they're the perfect tool to advance quickly.

  • @ruffyskill5388
    @ruffyskill5388 Рік тому

    Motivationvideo 🤩 so in love with the facts u named 👍🏿
    i will take it personal 👍🏿😉

  • @jasonrivera541
    @jasonrivera541 3 роки тому +2

    I play smash bros ultimate everyday I practice everyday at level 9 cause I'm happy and I'm fired up and I play cup Level 9 in battle royal or anything and I win cause I prove myself to become number one player in the world got it I'm number 1

  • @shannonjones8877
    @shannonjones8877 Рік тому

    I guess i can't remember fighting CPUs in Smash 4, but lv 9 CPUs in Ultimate get pretty aggressive about going offstage for gimps. They do miss techs in Ultimate also.
    They can also get pretty crazy. I got bodied by a lv 9 Falco a couple weeks ago. It was like the game just decided to activate beast mode for that match.
    One thing i started doing recently that i've come to like for training my focus and reaction times is that instead of playing against one lv 9 CPU, i play against a team of 2 lv 8s. Certain team setups can make this pretty difficult and it also seems to make the CPUs even more aggressive about edgeguarding, so it can make for some interesting matches.

  • @dagon416
    @dagon416 3 місяці тому

    There was a time when i got smash and online, and i was new I'd always lose and have fun but as i started getting better sometimes win and lose but for the most part, Id lose... then I started getting upset after every loss and i would lose all the time. People sre so toxic online so i stopped playing online and i decided to do 5 stock with lvl 9 cpus for fun, i would pick the heavies to make it easier and fun for me and then id go online and id just lose like after, i was so upset. Then i decided just to play lvl 9's again, pure offline and then i started switching different characters for me and then i put the cpu on random and i would play and i just kept winning and it felt great, i did it for like 2 weeks. Then i decidedly i was down to play online but dude i actually got way better and started winning all my/most of my matches and i dont get uoset anymore if i lose i have fun again and i got way better soooooo in conclusion, i definitely see lvl 9 cpus as a great way to just learn the character.. and naturally, it will come. I now go online hoping to get bodies cause i know that makes me better, but it worked really well for me

  • @fr3d174
    @fr3d174 2 роки тому

    My main is Mario something about his spikes and his character design just love this character

  • @sheenamayortiz710
    @sheenamayortiz710 Рік тому

    Level 9 Mario and Falco annihilates me, they airdodge and sprint tons of times, and parry at the most crippling timing for me. But thankfully, counterattacking them and air attacking them is what overcomes both of them.

  • @bimgus5808
    @bimgus5808 2 роки тому

    Level 7 and 8 cpus got me to spam smash attacks (with the occasional d tilt and u tilt when u smash wont hit) while level 9 CPUs got me to use tilts more often

  • @nunmcnun
    @nunmcnun 3 роки тому +1

    My only bad habit is being a little Mac main

  • @travisashby7780
    @travisashby7780 2 роки тому

    The problem with playing against CPUs is that there are no mind games and no neutral. There are no baits, faints, mixups, etc. It leads to severely linear gameplay when playing against humans.

  • @nvmb6451
    @nvmb6451 Рік тому

    Level 9 cpus play so unrealistically it's stupid
    I mainly played against them most of the time due to awful internet connection but when I got my own switch and played at my own house I started playing against real people instead of the bots because I'm a 0 pinger so I can actually somewhat enjoy online

  • @derp4752
    @derp4752 3 роки тому +1

    One of my biggest problems in smash is adapting so fighting CPUs is not something that helps me improve. I'm happy if it helps you tho

    • @redgerran
      @redgerran  3 роки тому +1

      CPU's could still help you adapt a little bit. One of the ways you learn adaptation is having a fluency of the other player's options. If they're predicting what you'll do better than you're predicting what they'll do, it might help to get a little bit of practice with a CPU of the character they like to use. Of course, either way helps. It's just an option if you get frustrated battling people and want an alternative.

    • @derp4752
      @derp4752 3 роки тому

      @@redgerran getting MU practice is something I should do more with a cpu for sure, but I guess my problem is the cpu doesnt adapt to me and atm I only have wifi once a week so I'm either playing a cpu, practicing in the training room or doing nothing with smash. I also find fighting cpus boring sometimes so the pressure isn't on and I'm autopiloting. I really want to learn while fighting CPUs but I'm not sure how

    • @redgerran
      @redgerran  3 роки тому +2

      @@derp4752 Honestly, I would just say to make it as fun as you can. Maybe try out stamina mode or do 7 stocks. Maybe add items like the metal block or rabbit ears that don't give either of you a huge advantage. I know exactly what you mean when you say it can get boring going against a CPU all the time. Just remember that as long as you're still practicing, you're moving in the right direction.

    • @derp4752
      @derp4752 3 роки тому +2

      @@redgerran that's really helpful, thanks for the tips! I will try different things with cpus today, I have an online tourney this Sunday so I want to be practiced up

  • @jwpppr
    @jwpppr 2 роки тому

    I came to watch this because I cba to pay to use the trash online and have spent the past week grinding Pit vs. Lvl 9 Kazuya. I dislike fighting CPU's for the reason that you can get wins by doing braindead things like charging smash attacks by the ledge and hoping they recover high, or just spamming ranged attacks, but if you try to play honestly then you suddenly find them airdodging out of every combo, rolling every attempt to attack, spot-dodging your grab mixups, and parrying you attacks frame perfectly.
    Kazuya is particularly bad because of how much he gets out of a single opening, and this makes match-ups feel very one-sided. While a human may drop the combo or fumble an input, the CPU will just react on frame 1 to whatever option you pick and punish you for it. At these points, it feels like you're not even learning, you're just getting tilted because you made one misinput and got 0 to deathed off an EWGF hit.