I just to thank you for this video! I watched Duperbash’s video and I put the White pistons in the rear and the black ones in the front.. and they were backwards just like you said they would be.. so I took them apart and switched around. Thanks again! Keep up the great work!!
I love the way you fitted the emulsion caps with great care , and the little extra tips/mods I found that one of my caps leaked after fitting so I put that plumbers tape around the threads before fitting the caps worked really well . No leaks now 👍👌👍
Very well explained 👍 I might want to buy these pistons for my rc cars 🙂 I find a lot of important information on your channel 😃 I have a question about shocks: When shock is build (without spring!) and I push shaft fully up into the shock body ⬆️ , should it extend ⬇️ ? Also when I push shaft down ⬇️ , should it move back ⬆️ ? Or the shock shaft shouldn't move by itself without spring? 🤔
Yes, if installed properly and you achieved removing all air bubbles, when pushing the shock shaft all the way up it should slowly move back out on its own. That’s a good sign. I’m not sure If it works both ways meaning if you pull it out really fast as it slowly suck itself back in, I don’t believe it does do that. However if yours is doing that I would also consider that a good sign that you’ve got all the air bubbles out
So it would seem, as I figure, you can't tighten it down all the way with the supplied o ring because it will dislodge. But if you don't tighten it down, you get leakage. Seems to me like the solution is a thinner o ring and less vranking down in the end, just enough to seal, no?
Nice video buddy! I love these ZRS caps from M2C! I have them for all my rigs💪😎 Great job taking your time with the install. Maybe try the standard shock springs first to see how they behave and standard 1000cst oil as intended and build up from there. With those stiff springs and super heavy oil not sure your gonna get all the benefits of the dampening of these caps. ZRS really soak up a ton of bumps well when going high speeds, with the stiff springs it may just bounce off of terrain that would normally be soaked up?? I'm curious to see brother, do your thing! Love it
3 Sons RC, hey what’s up my friend! I hear what you’re saying. Running the ZRS caps with the regular shock set up is definitely going to be a venture for me here pretty soon. However I’m going to do it in a little bit of the opposite order of what you’re suggesting. With all the work I put into trying to fine tune the duel shock spring experiment, (now technically a single spring, big rock springs). I plan to get a couple more bash sessions in to truly get the feel of these ZRS caps and how they impact this experiment. I did notice a significant improvement with these caps on the heavier springs. It changed from About a 4 inch bounce (from 35 inches up) to only about an inch and a half bounce. To me that’s pretty significant. Remember my goal with rocking his heavier springs aside from seeing if I could tame them, was to provide more protection to the body from chassis slap and other rigorous jolts. So long as the hit to performance and running over those rocky terrain’s etc. isn’t too significant I may end up making this my official bash set up. However I need more time with it. Eventually I will switch back to the single spring and then I’ll really have a gauge as to which I like more. Bash on brother
@@EastTactics the stock shocks with the m2c caps and pistons its a kraton exb 1/8 with 3000cst in them when I push it down it comes up very slow and when I drop it with my hands for like 1mtr high it bounces? Thx for your help😁
I’m confused, doesn’t the V5 use the exact same shocks as the V4 , and EXB (Shocks themselves)? Regarding the springs, Give me a little bit of time today and I’ll do some research for you. I heard of a company where you can order custom springs. Let me iron out, the exact sizes you need to order from them etc. But, I need to button up some of the details and then I’ll let you know. May even have to make a separate video specifically on these guys. Since it seems so hard to find the Nero shock springs even here in the US.
Have you seen my latest vid? ua-cam.com/video/4GWt4zsRlF8/v-deo.html I’ve mentioned other springs in past vids as well so If this video doesn’t answer your question let me know. 👍
With these extremely heavy duty shocks springs that I’ve got installed on my vehicle. (The Arrma Nero Big rock spring) I had to do all kinds of things to tame these shocks. Which is why I have, to your point, added not just extremely thick Shock fluid . But I’m actually running 5000 weight differential fluid inside them! LOL Now… Prior to incorporating the M2C zero bounce shock caps I was running my own custom pistons with the set up. At which point I was, which again is to your point, running not only less holes than the stock pistons. But smaller holes as well.
Hey brother great video once again I just ordered these and curious looks like you used the regular shock piston so I should be good to go?? Or do you need aftermarket pistons to make these shock caps work ?
They’re doing great! Had a bash session recently and I felt she performed on par if not better then the EXB I was roll’n with. In fact it was quite noticeable how much softer and less chassis slap was heard and seen comparatively. And the Bounce factor was definitely not worse then stock (EXB), in fact many a landings were quite kush. So ya... luv’ n it! ua-cam.com/video/cDl5rOmz2po/v-deo.html
You’re right! Suckers seem to be out of stock everywhere! I had to dig pretty deep for these not even sure if they’re shipping from the US LOL. But they might work?? I don’t know Try www.bigboyswithcooltoys.ca/products/ar330417-shock-spring-75mm-317gf-mm-big-rock-2 Or www.mcmracing.com/en/home/141169-arrma-arac8950-ar330417-shock-spring-75mm-317gf-mm-big-rock-2-5052127022033
@@EastTactics i looked at the exploded view on arrma site, for the Nero big rock, and its different part numbers? The ones I seen which is the part number are 65mm
Ya... ideally you want the longer ones. Sucks there so hard to find. The part number I give is for the 75mm version. Not even sure which classic Nero big rock those were for, cuz your right, I checked to, the current ones in the Arrma diagrams show the 65mm. Stock Kraton is: 85mm front 95mm rear So with me going 75mm collar adjustments were needed for both front and even mor so for the rear. Going 65mm is just too short. IMO
@@EastTactics yeah I've redone them a few times, looser and tighter, still leaks.. and when I opened them back up the o ring in the cap was still like I put it.
@@EastTactics is there a special one u use? The other day i seen a link i think now i can't find it lol. And i had a guy make me some springs for the k6s but i used them once and snapped an rpm arm lol. They might be thicker then what youre using im not sure. Im just wondering if these thick springs ive got are stressing the other parts 🤔
Ya, it’s definitely not an experiment for the feint of heart. I will say the Kraton is a different beast with them, and I really like it. As you know though, I don’t run the duel springs anymore, instead I run the equivalent as a single beefed up spring with the big rock springs and 5k diff fluids throughout. The shock caps help a lot to recoup performances lost in the added shock absorption she gained. Is it worth it, time will tell after my next few bash sessions. I’ve been out of pocket tho of late, with a big family move. Hoping to get back at it here real soon. Thx for watching my vids and commenting. 👊😎👍 My Kraton is all smiles thus far, I fear when I revert back to regular stock springs, she’s gunna feel loose as noodles, and lacking in support from hard landings. But we”ll see.
@@EastTactics i got my kraton exb already shimmed the front diff and filed center and front diff already. I just need now to pick up a rear hot racing bulkhead and the limit slip plates and gasket because mine broke because i had some sort of fabric inside a screw thread. Beats is pretty much ready i have zee lipos coming tommorow and electronics from jennyrc next week. First run in 1-2 weeks;-;
I’ve loved it, and also stuck with it. Well... technically I did away with the duel shocks and switched to a single shock with the equivalent stiffness. The big rock shock springs! Much needed support for the wieght of my setup now. Needs 5K diff fluid in the shocks, and the M2C emulation shock caps help too to tame the shock rebound. Loving it tho!💪😝😎
27:35 Genius!
Thanks Marcelo!
I just to thank you for this video! I watched Duperbash’s video and I put the White pistons in the rear and the black ones in the front.. and they were backwards just like you said they would be.. so I took them apart and switched around. Thanks again! Keep up the great work!!
Glad I could help my friend😎💪👍
I love the way you fitted the emulsion caps with great care , and the little extra tips/mods
I found that one of my caps leaked after fitting so I put that plumbers tape around the threads before fitting the caps worked really well . No leaks now 👍👌👍
Claire Cooper, thanks, I really appreciate the comment.
Should pump the shock 10-15 times then release air from the bleeder when the shock shaft is push all the way in!
I gotta try these
Ohhhhhhh okay these are on the list now
Thanks for the knowledge bud. Your explanation was perfect for how the O Rings work on the rebound stroke 👍😎
Nice! Yes they work great!
Paying attention to detail as always. Good video brotha
Thanks🤜🤛
Thx Randy 👊😎👊
Great video !!
Thanks for the complement!!
Super BangUp job on this video! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!
I really appreciate that... thank you!
Fantastic Video Brotha. Your explanations are top notch !!!!
Thanks!!
Very well explained 👍 I might want to buy these pistons for my rc cars 🙂 I find a lot of important information on your channel 😃
I have a question about shocks:
When shock is build (without spring!) and I push shaft fully up into the shock body ⬆️ , should it extend ⬇️ ? Also when I push shaft down ⬇️ , should it move back ⬆️ ? Or the shock shaft shouldn't move by itself without spring? 🤔
Yes, if installed properly and you achieved removing all air bubbles, when pushing the shock shaft all the way up it should slowly move back out on its own. That’s a good sign.
I’m not sure If it works both ways meaning if you pull it out really fast as it slowly suck itself back in, I don’t believe it does do that. However if yours is doing that I would also consider that a good sign that you’ve got all the air bubbles out
So it would seem, as I figure, you can't tighten it down all the way with the supplied o ring because it will dislodge. But if you don't tighten it down, you get leakage. Seems to me like the solution is a thinner o ring and less vranking down in the end, just enough to seal, no?
Yes, also check out the pin comment in the comment section for a timestamp on the idea of adding a DIY O-ring down first.That helps to
Nice video buddy!
I love these ZRS caps from M2C! I have them for all my rigs💪😎
Great job taking your time with the install. Maybe try the standard shock springs first to see how they behave and standard 1000cst oil as intended and build up from there. With those stiff springs and super heavy oil not sure your gonna get all the benefits of the dampening of these caps. ZRS really soak up a ton of bumps well when going high speeds, with the stiff springs it may just bounce off of terrain that would normally be soaked up?? I'm curious to see brother, do your thing! Love it
3 Sons RC, hey what’s up my friend! I hear what you’re saying. Running the ZRS caps with the regular shock set up is definitely going to be a venture for me here pretty soon. However I’m going to do it in a little bit of the opposite order of what you’re suggesting. With all the work I put into trying to fine tune the duel shock spring experiment, (now technically a single spring, big rock springs). I plan to get a couple more bash sessions in to truly get the feel of these ZRS caps and how they impact this experiment. I did notice a significant improvement with these caps on the heavier springs. It changed from About a 4 inch bounce (from 35 inches up) to only about an inch and a half bounce. To me that’s pretty significant.
Remember my goal with rocking his heavier springs aside from seeing if I could tame them, was to provide more protection to the body from chassis slap and other rigorous jolts. So long as the hit to performance and running over those rocky terrain’s etc. isn’t too significant I may end up making this my official bash set up. However I need more time with it. Eventually I will switch back to the single spring and then I’ll really have a gauge as to which I like more. Bash on brother
@@EastTactics good luck my friend
How are they holding up. The caps any leaks the way you did it ? Great video BTW 👊
Great! No leaks!
👍🔥
@@EastTactics that's awesome bro. Yeah man that's a great tactic by using that Ballon. 👌
What is that red work area? Whats it made of?
Great question. Check this out :)
ua-cam.com/video/jurXWNzWq0g/v-deo.html
Great video but Myn is bouncing what did I do wrong?🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
You mean in general, when landing, she’s bouncing up? How much?
What rig? Stock springs? Stock oil?
@@EastTactics the stock shocks with the m2c caps and pistons its a kraton exb 1/8 with 3000cst in them when I push it down it comes up very slow and when I drop it with my hands for like 1mtr high it bounces? Thx for your help😁
Why are you using 3000cst fluid with stock springs?
@@EastTactics because the bodems hits the ground when big jumps
@@EastTactics do you have double springs on them?
Randy, why they dont extend a bit after u press it?.. the shock diesnt need to extand a bit once u let it go?...
ETAI106, with emulation style/bladder less shocks, you won’t see that extension after you press it. That’s normal. 😎👍👊
Why do people grab and mangle machined hexes wuth water pump pluers? You don't own a crescent wrench?
I didn’t at the time, Do now of course.
Hi, Do you have an alternative for V5 Kraton 6S? M2C said it dont fit 😢 And i dond find the springs in canada amazone
I’m confused, doesn’t the V5 use the exact same shocks as the V4 , and EXB (Shocks themselves)?
Regarding the springs, Give me a little bit of time today and I’ll do some research for you. I heard of a company where you can order custom springs. Let me iron out, the exact sizes you need to order from them etc. But, I need to button up some of the details and then I’ll let you know. May even have to make a separate video specifically on these guys. Since it seems so hard to find the Nero shock springs even here in the US.
what is the name of those heavy duty shock spings
Have you seen my latest vid?
ua-cam.com/video/4GWt4zsRlF8/v-deo.html
I’ve mentioned other springs in past vids as well so If this video doesn’t answer your question let me know. 👍
If you had thicker oil or smaller holes in the piston wouldn't that dampen it so there would be less bounce ?
With these extremely heavy duty shocks springs that I’ve got installed on my vehicle. (The Arrma Nero Big rock spring) I had to do all kinds of things to tame these shocks. Which is why I have, to your point, added not just extremely thick Shock fluid . But I’m actually running 5000 weight differential fluid inside them! LOL
Now… Prior to incorporating the M2C zero bounce shock caps I was running my own custom pistons with the set up. At which point I was, which again is to your point, running not only less holes than the stock pistons. But smaller holes as well.
Hey brother great video once again I just ordered these and curious looks like you used the regular shock piston so I should be good to go?? Or do you need aftermarket pistons to make these shock caps work ?
Rocky, They come with the Pistons you’ll use.
@@EastTactics thanks for the confirmation can't wait to get these installed!
How is the bigger springs and caps doing? Have you went back to the double springs?
They’re doing great! Had a bash session recently and I felt she performed on par if not better then the EXB I was roll’n with.
In fact it was quite noticeable how much softer and less chassis slap was heard and seen comparatively. And the Bounce factor was definitely not worse then stock (EXB), in fact many a landings were quite kush. So ya... luv’ n it!
ua-cam.com/video/cDl5rOmz2po/v-deo.html
@@EastTactics couldn't find the big rock spring😪s.
You’re right! Suckers seem to be out of stock everywhere! I had to dig pretty deep for these not even sure if they’re shipping from the US LOL. But they might work?? I don’t know
Try
www.bigboyswithcooltoys.ca/products/ar330417-shock-spring-75mm-317gf-mm-big-rock-2
Or
www.mcmracing.com/en/home/141169-arrma-arac8950-ar330417-shock-spring-75mm-317gf-mm-big-rock-2-5052127022033
@@EastTactics i looked at the exploded view on arrma site, for the Nero big rock, and its different part numbers? The ones I seen which is the part number are 65mm
Ya... ideally you want the longer ones. Sucks there so hard to find. The part number I give is for the 75mm version. Not even sure which classic Nero big rock those were for, cuz your right, I checked to, the current ones in the Arrma diagrams show the 65mm.
Stock Kraton is:
85mm front
95mm rear
So with me going 75mm collar adjustments were needed for both front and even mor so for the rear.
Going 65mm is just too short. IMO
Have u noticed leaking without the diy o ring? I've redone mine a few times and they still leak. May try the oring
Ya... since the o ring.. no leaks.
Also be sure it’s nice and dry, and you don’t over tighten and de-seat the inner ring.
@@EastTactics yeah I've redone them a few times, looser and tighter, still leaks.. and when I opened them back up the o ring in the cap was still like I put it.
Let me know the results after you utilize the o ring tactic
@@EastTactics is there a special one u use? The other day i seen a link i think now i can't find it lol. And i had a guy make me some springs for the k6s but i used them once and snapped an rpm arm lol. They might be thicker then what youre using im not sure. Im just wondering if these thick springs ive got are stressing the other parts 🤔
No one shows it better
Appreciate that. Those caps are legit!
💯
Idk but the double shock setup just makes me cringe bad
Ya, it’s definitely not an experiment for the feint of heart. I will say the Kraton is a different beast with them, and I really like it. As you know though, I don’t run the duel springs anymore, instead I run the equivalent as a single beefed up spring with the big rock springs and 5k diff fluids throughout.
The shock caps help a lot to recoup performances lost in the added shock absorption she gained. Is it worth it, time will tell after my next few bash sessions.
I’ve been out of pocket tho of late, with a big family move. Hoping to get back at it here real soon. Thx for watching my vids and commenting. 👊😎👍
My Kraton is all smiles thus far, I fear when I revert back to regular stock springs, she’s gunna feel loose as noodles, and lacking in support from hard landings. But we”ll see.
@@EastTactics i got my kraton exb already shimmed the front diff and filed center and front diff already. I just need now to pick up a rear hot racing bulkhead and the limit slip plates and gasket because mine broke because i had some sort of fabric inside a screw thread. Beats is pretty much ready i have zee lipos coming tommorow and electronics from jennyrc next week. First run in 1-2 weeks;-;
Nice!!
I’ve loved it, and also stuck with it. Well... technically I did away with the duel shocks and switched to a single shock with the equivalent stiffness. The big rock shock springs! Much needed support for the wieght of my setup now.
Needs 5K diff fluid in the shocks, and the M2C emulation shock caps help too to tame the shock rebound. Loving it tho!💪😝😎
stop repeating yourself man
Hey sorry about that. What specific point. Maybe I can go in and edit the video and cut out a few moments.