I'm a man united fan and I've got to say that Liverpool fans were heroes that day. A lot more people could have died if they didn't help the injured and distressed. Also if we had beaten forest in the quarter final that might have been us there.
martygough I knew what that terrace was like, I had stood there myself 2 months before the disaster for a league game supporting United against Wednesday. An appalling tragedy but unfortunately not surprising, you could easily see where problems would occur.
It doesn't matter what team you support, or how much you hate another team, the 96 were people and football supporters just like the rest of us, lets never forget them. RIP the 96, from a MUFC fan
Has anyone even mentioned that Liverpool were known to have the bigger travelling supporter numbers but allocated the smaller of the stands? Error number one is right there and that was even before the match took place.
Yeah, how ridiculous is that?! That shitty little end for the biggest team in the country compared to that huge terrace for the Forest fans. I wonder which Einstein made that decision.
Yep, happened the year before and in 81 if you watch the video on here, crushing was well known at that end. The FA had no safety certificate either, and the tunnel meant the ground was illegal, but they covered it all up. They saw Liverpool supporters as scum. The coroner did blood tests on all the dead to prove they were drunk, including the 10 year old victim. They combed the whole area, even the roads into the city to try and prove it was the fans fault. The police then intimidated and threatened the families and witnsesses, and their own officers into saying it was the fans fault. It took over 25 years to prove the truth. The cover up went to the top of government, police, law, and media. All working together to lie. YNWA
The chief executive of Liverpool complained about that decision when it was known that hillsborough was the venue for the semi final and Liverpool would again get the Leppings Lane end. That was on the 20th March 1989. Unfortunately he wasn’t listened to. He actually said the same thing about the heysel stadium as well. Nobody listened then either.
@@peterwilliamskelhorn6675they aren’t to blame for Hillsborough either but the fact is a rat like you are a cowards on your keyboard making sly remarks
It was the top constable that did nothing.. and lied for years... what annoys me is that they closed ranks.. and altered statements. And tried to blame the fans from the start instead of accepting responsibility for a badly co-ordinated event and a chaotic response to it..
I can't begin to imagine what it was like being there that day, I was three when it happened and my mother watched events on TV. She is a well travelled football fan and as soon as she saw the crowd apparently she said to my grandmother 'There's people dead in there.' I get sick of reading people trying to blame drunken and ticketless fans, especially after reading the full report. I'm sorry if my reply was incorrect in any way, thank you for responding. x
The guy who was speaking at 16:25 was spot on. Hillsborough was the wrong ground. Simple as that. Instead of playing a possible replay at old Trafford the original game should have been played there. And then 96 fellow football fans wouldn’t have been killed in a horrible fashion.
Looking back, the Football Association seemed to do a good thing by putting FA Cup semifinals in Wembley (90,000 seats) rather than putting 54K standing at Hillsborough.
no the police failed to filter the crowd properly in 1989. liverpool fans climed fences outside the turnstiles to avoid being crushed outside. "they find their own level" is what the police said which basically means they couldn't be arsed to sort it out.
I hope that people watching this now, in 2012, are suitably angry at how it was reported at the time. The police lied, they briefed the media with their lies. and the victims became the accused. Unbelievable, disgusting, tragic.
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The one moment in football history that unites the entire UK. We all want justice for the 96 innocent people involved. We all want those responsible to face their well deserved punishment. People like Middup, Duckenfield and Bettison etc. Unfortunately, Bernard Murray died a free man (not unfortunate that he died, just unfortunate that he was a free man when he did). Hopefully his kids and wife are utterly ashamed of the pathetic man he was. A coward. From a Leeds Utd fan.
And what were the FA thinking before the game?? Not only did they pick hillsborough as the venue even though they knew about the previous problems but they gave forest 29,000 tickets and Liverpool 24,000 tickets even though Liverpool had an average gate of 40,000 compared to forests 18,000 average gate at the time. Unbelievable.
didnt help when some supporters turned up with no tickets as quoted to me by a liverpool supporter who was there that day , i guess we would have to be naive to think that some did turn up ticketless , still doesnt take away the police stuffed up big time
The ticketless fans stuff was a myth. The Leppings lane terrace was actually under capacity. It was the poor distribution of the fans into the central pens, caused by police incompetence that was the cause of the disaster. The official capacity of the Leppings lane terrace was 10,100. The amount of fans on that terrace at the time of the disaster was 9,200-9,400. The police had to say something to cover up their loss of control though.
I am a Manchester United fan,and sadly it seems that the authorities back then(and not only with Hillsborough as other things have come to light)were quite happy and willing to cover things up or spin things to duck responsiblity,or worse still cover up.Frankly it puts this country to shame.
club, league, insurers, council licencing - all turned a blind eye to soccer hooilganism. One the day it was actually the referee or club managers who said to start the game rather than wait half hour to get everyone in safely. Did that ref or manager get accused of manslaughter?
cont injured in a crush at the Leppings Lane End of the ground so this was not a one time occurence. Also, several features of the ground did not abide by The Green Guide at the time which was what clubs used as a guide to safety features. All of the gates at the front of the fence were too narrow, some of the crush barriers were not able to withstand the weight they should have been able to withstand and the slope of the main tunnel entrance was too steep.
it may be a great ground in your opinion mark mate, but it didn't have a valid saftey certificate, it had been the scene of a crush in '81 mate. EIGHT years before the tragedy. it could have happened to ANY supporters, yours included. it is not a slight on your team, your fans, your city, your people -whom I have nothing but respect for- but truth be told: it was not fit to host a game of this magnitude as was borne out by what happened. JFT96.
Lets try to boycott not just the Sun but everything Murdoch in general... personally I would rather hear the radio or be in the stadium than take out a subscription from Sky... I would also appeal to the other clubs fans who have supported us to also boycott the Sun...
All those Yorkshire police who lied about the events should be jailed for life. Bloody cowards. Think of themselves and show no compassion - ignorance.
And all the Liverpool Cowards in Belgium a few years earlier who killed over 40 Belgium supporters.Hooligans caused this disaster from all over the country. NO barriers NO disaster not the Police. Those hooligans from all over the UK were to blame causing the fencing to be installed in every ground.
Not really, the final became a symbol of the city united as it was Liverpool v Everton. Red and blue mixed around Wembley was a fitting tribute to the victims and foreshadowing to those that conspired and lied to cover up their negligence.
4:21 ian foster hillsborough steward should be a more prevalent figure in the discussion , surely his experience and knowledge of previous matches there should be brought more into the light .
Yes there were a minority of fans who were drunk but if you care to read the latest report published it is firmly established that drunken fans were not responsible for what happened at all. The crush happened as soon as Gate C was opened and people made for the centre tunnel, poor signage and lack of stewarding or policing meant that the tunnel was not closed and no one diverted the rushing crowd of people to pens either side. You will also find in the report that back in 81 30 people were
yeh, I witness the 87 United game at Hillsborough from the seats and saw friends who were fearless looking scared and knowing I could do nothing, id been in packed terraces where it was hard to breathe at times but the two I mention were worse, this however, even with that experience, cant be imagined. There would have been fans bevvied and ticketless like any game and in fairness LFC fans were famous for jibbing but not in the kind of numbers or levels of drunkeness that would have contributed
i spoke to a liverpool supporter and sheffield wednesday supporter a few years ago at a hotel in thailand who both were there ,even they both said there was ticket less fans , and that contributed to leppings lane getting over crowded , which even with fans with tickets struggled to cope with the amount of supporters that needed to get through the turnstiles , if the gate behind the goal had been closed before they opened the out side one , none of this would of happened
United visited in Oct 87 and a similar tragedy could well have happened [its usually reported as the game in Feb 89 which was no way as bad, I was in the pen the deaths occured] and there were another games involving United and Spurs that got scary too That tunnel was a deathtrap as there were two fences that started from both sides of it that went down towards the goals in the same direction as the tunnel which basically extends that tunnel a third of the way into the pen.
Masstransit2 I was on those terraces for the United game in February 89 and they closed the tunnel off with about 20 minutes to go to kick off and me and my dad were directed round to the side entrance the one by the bank in the corner and it didn't look comfortable in the pens behind the goal
2 me it seems simple.the police were justified in opening the main gate to let the fans in .i visited hillsborough the previous year for the liverpool forest semi final when i was 10 in the leppings lane end and it was a poor stadium.the polices main error was failing to close off the tunnel leading to the center pen which would have filled the nearly empty sidepens rather than overcrowd the center of the terrace. a major blunder.the polices fault
100% correct. There where too many of us outside. The people in charge who opened the gate c could see on cameras that 3 and 4 where full when they opened the gate. In previous big games when someone else was I charge this is what they did. This was duckenfields first, so for some reason the order to shut the middle tunnel when opening gate c was not given as it usually would be. This wasn't the first error. Shouldnt have been at that ground. We had more fans but where given less tickets. They gave duckenfield 1 of the biggest games as his first. Then the lies they told to try and cover up. What football fans don't drink before games ???? My brother used to take me, it was only luck(lack of tickets) he never for this game. The scars he has from this day will never leave him, as he was in the stand above
Stephen bubba b and where did that dickhead duckenfield think the Liverpool fans were going to go once they went through gate C?? Did he think that they weren’t going to go down the tunnel opposite that had standing plastered all over it and where you could see the pitch?? That they would all split in half and go in equal measure to the 2 side pens?? Or just stand around reading the programme and having a cup of tea?? Unbelievable!! I was a teenager at the time of the disaster and even I could have worked out that you needed to get the central tunnel closed before opening the gate!!
Well said, that day it happened to be our fans, but it have may aswell been united fans, city fans, spurs fans. What team they were supporting is irrelevant, 96 people died and the authorities were at blame. Don't buy the sun, bring on sunday. YNWA
What you have to remember is that back in the 19 80's all football fans were treated as potential. Hooligans , so we were all treated the same , hearded into pens treated like animals . The police and the football authorities looked on us as Hooligans . How David Duckrnfield has lived with himself all these years is baffling, 97 deaths on his hands
Stefan Popper was implicated in the cover-up leading to the families and friends of those who died having the better part of 2 decades wait for the truth. It was then Chief Inspector Norman Bettesen that set the tone when he said "We're going to put the blame for this, where ought to be, on the drunken, ticketless, Liverpool Supporters. We have to go out there now to show that that is the case." Popper insisted on blood alcohol tests to be carried out on everyone who died, including the children. He failed to see that the alcohol in the urine of the victims was being produced involuntarily as a result of chemicals naturally produced by the human body once dead. I know he's no longer with us, but he's as guilty as anyone else from South Yorkshire for the cover up taking place
I thought just the same when i saw that. There should be a reel of the horrible slurs shown on BBC at primetime so no-one forgets who these people are. Its the least they deserve
How can they be blamed? Had they not been mislead by the Yorkshire Police during the incident? I just fail to see how 96 people are responsible for their own deaths...
Actually, the police let too many people in to the lower section that liverpool fans occupied. The police were blamed because of a lack of communication and did not tell the officers outside to stop letting people into the lower section and open the upper area. Also the leader of the police there did not allow the gates to be opened until it was too late.
Oh yeah in any football game there'll be people who are drunk and there were some ticketless fans there by the sounds of it but it was a disaster waiting to happen. Game should never have been played at Hillsborough as it wasn't safe. The cover up afterwards was just disgraceful.
Ticketless because they chose an old outdated building, and then gave biggest end to smaller club. At this time ticketless fans where regular at all big games. Much like other clubs fans that never had a drink the authorities wanted people to believe that 100s of ticketless fans didn't turn up at every big game back then and it was just Scousers who did these things. Anyone who went to matches back then knows that's rubbish, a drink before the game and ticket touts outside
I'm sure some of them weren't great and there might be some merit. But to say ALL of them were drunk hooligans is so disingenuous. It is at the end of the day the responsibility of the event organisers to ensure that OHS is met and they failed badly.
Just out of interest what was the following of the Liverpool fans that day? 20 thousand? And people SERIOUSLY are naive enough to believe that out of that amount not a few hundread were drunk? Im not saying that was the cause, but come on people, there were pissed up Liverpool fans in and amongst the crowds. Weather the caused it directly i dont know, but to say not one fan was drunk is ridiculous.
i spoke to a sheffield wed and liverpool supporter who were there that day in leppings lane and they said to me , fans did turn up with no tickets and of course some were drunk , and they said that was part to blame for the over crowding out side the ground , which ultimately led to the mistake by the police not to shut the gate to the main pen
The point was, as you know, drunken behaviour was not the cause. Fans were not killing each other and it’s a bit sickening to accuse fans of behaviour they did not carry out, especially since it was a mistake on the part of the police.
The image of English football fans as a mass of hooligans still lingers in the rest of Europe today to an extent, Back then though after heysel it was the general consensus I grew up in that age but even to me looking back it seems a world away from where we are now in terms of safety and grounds
this would only happen at a soccer game. its not the police's fault. its the fans fault and the organizations fault. first off a) if you don't have a ticket, you can't get in. simple as that. why would you let in free. b) its the fans fault. wait your fucking turn. if it takes 2 hours it takes 2 hours don't just be a mob and and shove your way to the front. shove got there earlier. Id never go to a soccer game in europe cuz id fear for my life.
aravenhill3 the fans had tickets, the claim they didn’t was a lie. Also, it was the police who opened the huge door that allowed the people to rush into the stands which caused the crush.
you r wrong mate just wrong ticketless liverpool fans doing their upmost 2 get in climbing fences your right the crush due 2 the gate being opened was te polices fault but not all their fault
Why? I am just understanding this fateful day and I appreciate this video. It shows the despicable lies and actions by the Police/media etc. I do understand your feelings.
Man, British use the words "the dead" so loosely like it's so easy to say! How about "those lost, or those who've passed"? It just sounds so unfeeling and/or cold. I'm American and as Americans we are very sensitive to words used about those who are ever lost in a tragedy.
Mob mentality is right. Fans just as at fault as police. Cages and fences at a football game. Isn't that a sign that there is something wrong with the way people support their fav teams. Never see this in the states. Normal fans here not crazy mobs of people that don't care about those next to them.
football violence was rife back in them days , hense why they were put in caged pens , and the police mentality when all this transpired was it was a riot , you would have to be naive to think no fans turned up not having tickets and not have a few drinks before the game , i spoke to people who were there and even they said fans had no tickets and the congestion out side got too bad , so the police opened the gate , but the fatal mistake they made was not shutting the gate to the pen that was already over crowded
i spoke to a couple of liverpool supporters in thailand a few years back who were there that day , and they even admitted fans turned up with out tickets , and you would have to be naive to say none of them had a few drinks , leppings lane they said as it is , isnt the easiest to get through but when fans turn up with no tickets it made it even harder out side the ground , so much that it was becoming dangerous out side the ground , therefore the police made the right decision to open the gate , but they made the fatal error of not closing the gate to the main pen and thats what ultimately cost peoples lives
From over seas, we also figured out later , it was a sever problem with crowd control. Both managers of the grounds and the police were incompetent. One lesson learned. whether your looking at the Great White disaster in the US. Or the the MV sewol disaster in Korea. We as individuals have to assess the danger by subtle warning signs. When in the company of densely pact people, officials tell us were safe. Alas, what if some one yells fire. or the crowd perceives a gun shot. The 'officials' share in the proceeds from our collective, densely packed trust. Teach your children the real danger of being in crowds or mobs.
I'm a man united fan and I've got to say that Liverpool fans were heroes that day. A lot more people could have died if they didn't help the injured and distressed. Also if we had beaten forest in the quarter final that might have been us there.
Respect, from a Liverpool supporter.
martygough I knew what that terrace was like, I had stood there myself 2 months before the disaster for a league game supporting United against Wednesday. An appalling tragedy but unfortunately not surprising, you could easily see where problems would occur.
It doesn't matter what team you support, or how much you hate another team, the 96 were people and football supporters just like the rest of us, lets never forget them.
RIP the 96, from a MUFC fan
Has anyone even mentioned that Liverpool were known to have the bigger travelling supporter numbers but allocated the smaller of the stands? Error number one is right there and that was even before the match took place.
Yeah, how ridiculous is that?! That shitty little end for the biggest team in the country compared to that huge terrace for the Forest fans. I wonder which Einstein made that decision.
Yep, happened the year before and in 81 if you watch the video on here, crushing was well known at that end. The FA had no safety certificate either, and the tunnel meant the ground was illegal, but they covered it all up. They saw Liverpool supporters as scum. The coroner did blood tests on all the dead to prove they were drunk, including the 10 year old victim. They combed the whole area, even the roads into the city to try and prove it was the fans fault. The police then intimidated and threatened the families and witnsesses, and their own officers into saying it was the fans fault. It took over 25 years to prove the truth. The cover up went to the top of government, police, law, and media. All working together to lie. YNWA
The chief executive of Liverpool complained about that decision when it was known that hillsborough was the venue for the semi final and Liverpool would again get the Leppings Lane end. That was on the 20th March 1989. Unfortunately he wasn’t listened to. He actually said the same thing about the heysel stadium as well. Nobody listened then either.
+Kat Mayall at least Liverpool supporters WEREN'T to blame for this or the Champions League final last year
@@peterwilliamskelhorn6675they aren’t to blame for Hillsborough either but the fact is a rat like you are a cowards on your keyboard making sly remarks
Appalling lies from the police and the sun RIP to the 96
Blame the club, council, insurers, football league...blame police last.
Fantastic Video , I was living in Canada at the time so to see how the reports were delivered has been so interesting .....thankyou
It was the top constable that did nothing.. and lied for years... what annoys me is that they closed ranks.. and altered statements. And tried to blame the fans from the start instead of accepting responsibility for a badly co-ordinated event and a chaotic response to it..
So hard to watch. Thank you for posting this.
From a Sheffield Liverpool fan who remembers, R.I.P YNWA
I can't begin to imagine what it was like being there that day, I was three when it happened and my mother watched events on TV. She is a well travelled football fan and as soon as she saw the crowd apparently she said to my grandmother 'There's people dead in there.' I get sick of reading people trying to blame drunken and ticketless fans, especially after reading the full report. I'm sorry if my reply was incorrect in any way, thank you for responding. x
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Anyone who went to football at this time will know what the grounds were like most of them were awful
The guy who was speaking at 16:25 was spot on. Hillsborough was the wrong ground. Simple as that. Instead of playing a possible replay at old Trafford the original game should have been played there. And then 96 fellow football fans wouldn’t have been killed in a horrible fashion.
Hi, Nice to see soemone posting some truth for a change.
Many fans were like animals in those days.
totally agree with you....Hillsborough was not a big enough stadium to hold a game of that stature...The english fa have a lot to answer for
Looking back, the Football Association seemed to do a good thing by putting FA Cup semifinals in Wembley (90,000 seats) rather than putting 54K standing at Hillsborough.
no the police failed to filter the crowd properly in 1989. liverpool fans climed fences outside the turnstiles to avoid being crushed outside. "they find their own level" is what the police said which basically means they couldn't be arsed to sort it out.
Duckenfield was hired only 21 days before the game. How many days would it have taken to get the pitch up to safety standards before the game.
I hope that people watching this now, in 2012, are suitably angry at how it was reported at the time. The police lied, they briefed the media with their lies. and the victims became the accused. Unbelievable, disgusting, tragic.
Cowards- they should all be jailed for life.
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@@TheKonga88 , I suppose you're different.....?
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@@TheKonga88 , ah, but you did work to get your current lifestyle.
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The one moment in football history that unites the entire UK. We all want justice for the 96 innocent people involved. We all want those responsible to face their well deserved punishment. People like Middup, Duckenfield and Bettison etc. Unfortunately, Bernard Murray died a free man (not unfortunate that he died, just unfortunate that he was a free man when he did). Hopefully his kids and wife are utterly ashamed of the pathetic man he was. A coward.
From a Leeds Utd fan.
And what were the FA thinking before the game?? Not only did they pick hillsborough as the venue even though they knew about the previous problems but they gave forest 29,000 tickets and Liverpool 24,000 tickets even though Liverpool had an average gate of 40,000 compared to forests 18,000 average gate at the time. Unbelievable.
didnt help when some supporters turned up with no tickets as quoted to me by a liverpool supporter who was there that day , i guess we would have to be naive to think that some did turn up ticketless , still doesnt take away the police stuffed up big time
The ticketless fans stuff was a myth. The Leppings lane terrace was actually under capacity. It was the poor distribution of the fans into the central pens, caused by police incompetence that was the cause of the disaster. The official capacity of the Leppings lane terrace was 10,100. The amount of fans on that terrace at the time of the disaster was 9,200-9,400. The police had to say something to cover up their loss of control though.
why was'nt old trafford picked?...it was a much bigger stadium
Unbelievable looking at the money clubs were generating then that is about a weeks wages for a player now!
I am a Manchester United fan,and sadly it seems that the authorities back then(and not only with Hillsborough as other things have come to light)were quite happy and willing to cover things up or spin things to duck responsiblity,or worse still cover up.Frankly it puts this country to shame.
club, league, insurers, council licencing - all turned a blind eye to soccer hooilganism.
One the day it was actually the referee or club managers who said to start the game rather than wait half hour to get everyone in safely.
Did that ref or manager get accused of manslaughter?
ow!!! thanks a lot mate, i heard about it once when i was in Uk but didn't know the reason!! well done to LFC fans!! thanks once again!!
cont injured in a crush at the Leppings Lane End of the ground so this was not a one time occurence. Also, several features of the ground did not abide by The Green Guide at the time which was what clubs used as a guide to safety features. All of the gates at the front of the fence were too narrow, some of the crush barriers were not able to withstand the weight they should have been able to withstand and the slope of the main tunnel entrance was too steep.
it may be a great ground in your opinion mark mate, but it didn't have a valid saftey certificate, it had been the scene of a crush in '81 mate. EIGHT years before the tragedy. it could have happened to ANY supporters, yours included. it is not a slight on your team, your fans, your city, your people -whom I have nothing but respect for- but truth be told: it was not fit to host a game of this magnitude as was borne out by what happened.
JFT96.
charlotte marriott there were also problems in 87 and 88 at the semi finals played there
Who are talking to?
@22.19 What an absolute liar.
bring it on mate, thanks to the many man utd fans for their kind words lately
Just had a horrible thought: imagine if Twitter was around when Hillsborough happened. Thank God it wasn’t.
What do you mean?
The evidence if police lies would have come out immediately with no chance for the false narrative to spread.
I don’t think Twitter has a great record in terms of spreading false narratives.
Lets try to boycott not just the Sun but everything Murdoch in general... personally I would rather hear the radio or be in the stadium than take out a subscription from Sky...
I would also appeal to the other clubs fans who have supported us to also boycott the Sun...
What are you talking about? There were convictions after Heysel (14 fans were given three-year sentences for involuntary manslaughter).
Nothing to do with the fans jft96 ❤️
All those Yorkshire police who lied about the events should be jailed for life. Bloody cowards. Think of themselves and show no compassion - ignorance.
And yet 5 were found not guilty. If duckenfield goes down, that's only 1. There are others who need to pay the price as well
@@ash80510Disgusting none of them faced justice. I’d say it beggars belief, but it’s not a surprise really. Shameful
And all the Liverpool Cowards in Belgium a few years earlier who killed over 40 Belgium supporters.Hooligans caused this disaster from all over the country. NO barriers NO disaster not the Police. Those hooligans from all over the UK were to blame causing the fencing to be installed in every ground.
@@derykhamshaw3362and they were punished. What’s your point?
37:43 THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD A BLACK LINE IN THE RECORD BOOKS FOR THE FA CUP IN 89 - TO CARRY ON THE COMPETITION WAS WRONG
Or a tribute
Liverpool won the rearranged semi and the final
The families wanted it to carry on in tribute
Not really, the final became a symbol of the city united as it was Liverpool v Everton. Red and blue mixed around Wembley was a fitting tribute to the victims and foreshadowing to those that conspired and lied to cover up their negligence.
4:21 ian foster hillsborough steward should be a more prevalent figure in the discussion , surely his experience and knowledge of previous matches there should be brought more into the light .
Justice for the 96
Thatcher helped police cover it up
Yes there were a minority of fans who were drunk but if you care to read the latest report published it is firmly established that drunken fans were not responsible for what happened at all. The crush happened as soon as Gate C was opened and people made for the centre tunnel, poor signage and lack of stewarding or policing meant that the tunnel was not closed and no one diverted the rushing crowd of people to pens either side. You will also find in the report that back in 81 30 people were
justice for the 96 ynwa
Just got back from football we had a moment if 1 minute silence because we found out who th blame for the deaths
I watched Liverpool play Oldham in 1990 or 91 was just 10 then and had no real idea what Liverpool had been through.
Southend Ground still looks exactly the same and it's disgusting how much football made then and how much it makes now.
Oh Princess Diana…. 😭
well played lad!
a proper footie fan, banter, rivalry and then a good drink after!
yeh, I witness the 87 United game at Hillsborough from the seats and saw friends who were fearless looking scared and knowing I could do nothing, id been in packed terraces where it was hard to breathe at times but the two I mention were worse, this however, even with that experience, cant be imagined.
There would have been fans bevvied and ticketless like any game and in fairness LFC fans were famous for jibbing but not in the kind of numbers or levels of drunkeness that would have contributed
i spoke to a liverpool supporter and sheffield wednesday supporter a few years ago at a hotel in thailand who both were there ,even they both said there was ticket less fans , and that contributed to leppings lane getting over crowded , which even with fans with tickets struggled to cope with the amount of supporters that needed to get through the turnstiles , if the gate behind the goal had been closed before they opened the out side one , none of this would of happened
It wasn’t the fans fault though. Duckenfield should have closed the tunnel leading to those pens/cages.
United visited in Oct 87 and a similar tragedy could well have happened [its usually reported as the game in Feb 89 which was no way as bad, I was in the pen the deaths occured] and there were another games involving United and Spurs that got scary too
That tunnel was a deathtrap as there were two fences that started from both sides of it that went down towards the goals in the same direction as the tunnel which basically extends that tunnel a third of the way into the pen.
Masstransit2 I was on those terraces for the United game in February 89 and they closed the tunnel off with about 20 minutes to go to kick off and me and my dad were directed round to the side entrance the one by the bank in the corner and it didn't look comfortable in the pens behind the goal
2 me it seems simple.the police were justified in opening the main gate to let the fans in .i visited hillsborough the previous year for the liverpool forest semi final when i was 10 in the leppings lane end and it was a poor stadium.the polices main error was failing to close off the tunnel leading to the center pen which would have filled the nearly empty sidepens rather than overcrowd the center of the terrace. a major blunder.the polices fault
100% correct. There where too many of us outside. The people in charge who opened the gate c could see on cameras that 3 and 4 where full when they opened the gate. In previous big games when someone else was I charge this is what they did. This was duckenfields first, so for some reason the order to shut the middle tunnel when opening gate c was not given as it usually would be. This wasn't the first error. Shouldnt have been at that ground. We had more fans but where given less tickets. They gave duckenfield 1 of the biggest games as his first. Then the lies they told to try and cover up. What football fans don't drink before games ???? My brother used to take me, it was only luck(lack of tickets) he never for this game. The scars he has from this day will never leave him, as he was in the stand above
Stephen bubba b and where did that dickhead duckenfield think the Liverpool fans were going to go once they went through gate C?? Did he think that they weren’t going to go down the tunnel opposite that had standing plastered all over it and where you could see the pitch?? That they would all split in half and go in equal measure to the 2 side pens?? Or just stand around reading the programme and having a cup of tea?? Unbelievable!! I was a teenager at the time of the disaster and even I could have worked out that you needed to get the central tunnel closed before opening the gate!!
Well said, that day it happened to be our fans, but it have may aswell been united fans, city fans, spurs fans. What team they were supporting is irrelevant, 96 people died and the authorities were at blame. Don't buy the sun, bring on sunday. YNWA
you hear that at 51:00 ?! 3.50 pounds for a ticket.... to 5 pounds...... the difference in price from now crazy...
Anywhere u have 6o,000 people u need security that are specific for crowd control .
96 died in the tragedy
Biggest rivalary in world football, best two cities, best two supported and best footballing history. From MUFC fan J96 YNWA bring on next sunday
What you have to remember is that back in the 19 80's all football fans were treated as potential. Hooligans , so we were all treated the same , hearded into pens treated like animals . The police and the football authorities looked on us as Hooligans . How David Duckrnfield has lived with himself all these years is baffling, 97 deaths on his hands
Stefan Popper was implicated in the cover-up leading to the families and friends of those who died having the better part of 2 decades wait for the truth. It was then Chief Inspector Norman Bettesen that set the tone when he said "We're going to put the blame for this, where ought to be, on the drunken, ticketless, Liverpool Supporters. We have to go out there now to show that that is the case." Popper insisted on blood alcohol tests to be carried out on everyone who died, including the children. He failed to see that the alcohol in the urine of the victims was being produced involuntarily as a result of chemicals naturally produced by the human body once dead. I know he's no longer with us, but he's as guilty as anyone else from South Yorkshire for the cover up taking place
I thought just the same when i saw that. There should be a reel of the horrible slurs shown on BBC at primetime so no-one forgets who these people are. Its the least they deserve
a proper football fan.
How can they be blamed? Had they not been mislead by the Yorkshire Police during the incident? I just fail to see how 96 people are responsible for their own deaths...
Justes gor the 96 god bless
the pub landlord how much money was he getting from the police for saying liverpool supporters drink us dry
Exactly. Why didn't he stop serving drink? First time I have heard a landlord complaining that he is selling too much beer.
He's definitely lying
Never forget
justice for the 96 Y.N.W.A!
here here mate
Actually, the police let too many people in to the lower section that liverpool fans occupied. The police were blamed because of a lack of communication and did not tell the officers outside to stop letting people into the lower section and open the upper area. Also the leader of the police there did not allow the gates to be opened until it was too late.
Oh yeah in any football game there'll be people who are drunk and there were some ticketless fans there by the sounds of it but it was a disaster waiting to happen. Game should never have been played at Hillsborough as it wasn't safe. The cover up afterwards was just disgraceful.
Ticketless because they chose an old outdated building, and then gave biggest end to smaller club. At this time ticketless fans where regular at all big games. Much like other clubs fans that never had a drink the authorities wanted people to believe that 100s of ticketless fans didn't turn up at every big game back then and it was just Scousers who did these things. Anyone who went to matches back then knows that's rubbish, a drink before the game and ticket touts outside
first 5 seconds = disgrace
So many lies!!!
look whatever the truth this is a disgusting waste of life i hope whoever is responsible is punished remember watching it made me cry
And that is just obvious in the news report.
well said mate YNWA
I'm sure some of them weren't great and there might be some merit. But to say ALL of them were drunk hooligans is so disingenuous. It is at the end of the day the responsibility of the event organisers to ensure that OHS is met and they failed badly.
Just out of interest what was the following of the Liverpool fans that day? 20 thousand? And people SERIOUSLY are naive enough to believe that out of that amount not a few hundread were drunk? Im not saying that was the cause, but come on people, there were pissed up Liverpool fans in and amongst the crowds. Weather the caused it directly i dont know, but to say not one fan was drunk is ridiculous.
i spoke to a sheffield wed and liverpool supporter who were there that day in leppings lane and they said to me , fans did turn up with no tickets and of course some were drunk , and they said that was part to blame for the over crowding out side the ground , which ultimately led to the mistake by the police not to shut the gate to the main pen
The point was, as you know, drunken behaviour was not the cause. Fans were not killing each other and it’s a bit sickening to accuse fans of behaviour they did not carry out, especially since it was a mistake on the part of the police.
why is the boycott against the ''The Sun'' can someone explain please!! cheers.
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They Blamed the fans for the deaths particularly hooligan behaviour, which was inaccurate, unfair and insensitive.
it was 96
96 dead*
Then it only confirms your ignorance.
The image of English football fans as a mass of hooligans still lingers in the rest of Europe today to an extent,
Back then though after heysel it was the general consensus
I grew up in that age but even to me looking back it seems a world away from where we are now in terms of safety and grounds
doyoulikebeetroot Surely you know it wasn’t the fans fault.
this would only happen at a soccer game. its not the police's fault. its the fans fault and the organizations fault. first off a) if you don't have a ticket, you can't get in. simple as that. why would you let in free. b) its the fans fault. wait your fucking turn. if it takes 2 hours it takes 2 hours don't just be a mob and and shove your way to the front. shove got there earlier. Id never go to a soccer game in europe cuz id fear for my life.
aravenhill3 the fans had tickets, the claim they didn’t was a lie. Also, it was the police who opened the huge door that allowed the people to rush into the stands which caused the crush.
you both need show some respect ... its got nothing to do with either sheffield clubs fans so why bring that into it
42:42 LOL!
loved every minute of that footage.....God Bless LFC...NOT!!!!!!
you r wrong mate just wrong ticketless liverpool fans doing their upmost 2 get in climbing fences your right the crush due 2 the gate being opened was te polices fault but not all their fault
It wasn't Yorkshire's fault, don't make us seem like the bad ones..
U have really annoyed me !!!!
Why?
I am just understanding this fateful day and I appreciate this video. It shows the despicable lies and actions by the Police/media etc.
I do understand your feelings.
Man, British use the words "the dead" so loosely like it's so easy to say! How about "those lost, or those who've passed"? It just sounds so unfeeling and/or cold. I'm American and as Americans we are very sensitive to words used about those who are ever lost in a tragedy.
We are not American and that's what we say.
Like calling the toilet a bathroom despite there being no bath in there?
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Mob mentality is right. Fans just as at fault as police. Cages and fences at a football game. Isn't that a sign that there is something wrong with the way people support their fav teams. Never see this in the states. Normal fans here not crazy mobs of people that don't care about those next to them.
football violence was rife back in them days , hense why they were put in caged pens , and the police mentality when all this transpired was it was a riot , you would have to be naive to think no fans turned up not having tickets and not have a few drinks before the game , i spoke to people who were there and even they said fans had no tickets and the congestion out side got too bad , so the police opened the gate , but the fatal mistake they made was not shutting the gate to the pen that was already over crowded
it was horrid but the liverpool fans need 2 take some of the blame
i spoke to a couple of liverpool supporters in thailand a few years back who were there that day , and they even admitted fans turned up with out tickets , and you would have to be naive to say none of them had a few drinks , leppings lane they said as it is , isnt the easiest to get through but when fans turn up with no tickets it made it even harder out side the ground , so much that it was becoming dangerous out side the ground , therefore the police made the right decision to open the gate , but they made the fatal error of not closing the gate to the main pen and thats what ultimately cost peoples lives
@@capsy9 , have you got a stammer? You keep repeating yourself.
You're an absolute disgrace and I wish you nothing more than bad luck.
From over seas, we also figured out later , it was a sever problem with crowd control. Both managers of the grounds and the police were incompetent. One lesson learned. whether your looking at the Great White disaster in the US. Or the the MV sewol disaster in Korea. We as individuals have to assess the danger by subtle warning signs. When in the company of densely pact people, officials tell us were safe. Alas, what if some one yells fire. or the crowd perceives a gun shot. The 'officials' share in the proceeds from our collective, densely packed trust.
Teach your children the real danger of being in crowds or mobs.
Joe Fulbright not the managers fault. The FA decides the venue.. and how many tickets and which end they were allowed to enter from..
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
History shows that duckenfield was in fact entirely innocent of any criminal wrong doing and once again the behaviour of the fans was the real cause
No, its proved he was negligent. Failure and dysfunction on every level on the part of the police
You’re just a shit talking troll. What do you know about what happened that day? You weren’t there ✌️
i think the liverpool fans have 2 take some blame drunk fans climbing walls and gates without tickets but that said the police didnt help
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