Van Halen: The Disastrous Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame Induction - Sammy Hagar Vs. David Lee Roth
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Velvet Revolver would end up covering two van halen songs as part of the induction ceremonies including the David Lee Roth Era 1978 hit Ain’t Talkin Bout Love and teh Sammy Hagar era Runaround. In 2020 Eddie Van halen would pass away due to a stroke while also battling cancer for half a decade. During the virtual 2020 Rock N’ Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony a month after his death a tribute would be held that featured lGuns N’ Roses‘ Slash, Metallica‘s Kirk Hammett and Rage Against The Machine‘s Tom Morello. During an appearance on the Howard Stern show on November 16, 2020 Wolfgang announced that Van Halen would not continue without his father. You can't have Van Halen without Eddie Van Halen.
With the rock n’ roll hall of fame induction happening this week I wanted to take a look at one of the biggest no-shows in the rock halls history, Van Halen. Or maybe they should be called a partial no-show.The year was 2007 and the members of the rock community who inducted Van Halen twould have a similar set of circumstances happen half a decade later when time came for their induction. Today let’s explore the full story.
In 2007 the rock hall would induct several acts including R.E.M.,, Patti Smith, Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five, the Ronettes and today’s topic VAN hALEN.
That night the rock hall would be inducting the David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar era of the band. Van Halen’s last tour would wrap up in 2004 with Sammy Hagar and the tour ended on pretty bad terms with Hagar leaving the group shortly after.. Side note, I’ve done a whole video on that tour, the link is down below. Meanwhile bassist Michael Anthony would leave the band around 2006 , having been replaced by guitarist Eddie Van Halen’s son Wolfgang.
Inducting Van Halen that night would be Supergroup Velvet Revolver, side note I’ve done a whole video on Velvet Revolver’s rise and fall the link is down below. It would mark the second time the supergroup would be asked to induct a band in the rock hall in just two years. The first band they were asked to induct was the sx pistols in 2006, but the pistols were a no show rleeasing a statement to the rock hall that read
“Next to the SEX-PISTOLS rock and roll and that hall of fame is a piss stain. Your museum. Urine in wine. Were not coming.” I“Were not your monkey and so what? Fame at $25,000 if we paid for a table, or $15000 to squeak up in the gallery, goes to a non-profit organisation selling us a load of old famous. Congratulations. If you voted for us, hope you noted your reasons.”
; “Your anonymous as judges, but your still music industry people. Were not coming.”
Something similar happened the following year with Van Halen. No members of the band at that time showed up and the only people who did show up were Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony. Meanwhile Van Halen’s third singer Gary Cherone would be excluded by the rock hall and commented on his exclusion saying “To answer the few fans who are wondering whether I should, or shouldn't, be included. While yes, I was a small part of their history, I was certainly not a part of their legend, and that is what WE, the fans, are celebrating!"
Hagar would tell MTV his thoughts on Cherone being excluded saying
"I got nothing against Gary, but I would've voted against him getting in. I think he was really just a moment in VAN HALEN. Dave [Lee Roth] and I were in the band for so long, and we sold so many records and I don't think you can deny that. As it stands, it seems a little goofy if you let Gary in. Because, there was questions about me getting in, because I've only been in the band 21 years
It was initially reported that all members of Van Halen who were being inducted that year would be in attendance according to Premiere Radio Networks. The outlet revealed that all inductees had already reserved a table but stressed that Eddie and Alex would not be performing.
The induction ceremony took place on March 12, 2007 in New York. By late 2006 and early 2007 there were rumblings of a van halen reunion with david lee roth. As the induction ceremony crept cl
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Thanks. I think Sammy is much more down to earth and is easy-going but David is just as not easy-going as he might pretend to be. But Sammy didn't need to mention Dave's deteriorating looks. One thing I notice is David seems so damn smart .. like a genius salesman who will not shut up, so smooth but contemptable in his way. Not likeable but so charismatic in "Jump". I really can't be sure because I only liked about 7 songs by Van Halen. I like Eddie's guitar but he didn't have the sound of a Neil Young, Jimi Hendrix or many guitarists. Innovative, creative but not compelling imo. Just a good looking guy without soul to his music. Like this review.
*THE SEX PISTOLS RULE!*
*It's not just that they didn't sell out punk. It's that they highlighted that [any] Hall Of Fame is some industry marketing machine and NOT an actual organization in the service to ART.*
Rock n Roll hall of fame is a crock
@@hulkhatepunybanner I respect the Sex Pistols but most of their music is trash
@@oppothumbs1 you sound really old
The Sex Pistols statement was 100% spot on.
Rock-n-roll HOF is a joke, always has been.
Exactly. Shits a joke. Iron maiden didn’t even get in.
Sex Pistols being inducted is also a joke. Yes, they're "iconic"... in the worst way. The music is mediocre, the lyrics are horrible AND offensive, and they're assholes (well, mainly Johnny Rotten - Steve Jones is actually marginally talented & a decent human being).
@@screwyootube1 I guess you're one of those types who can't handle the truth. I love The Velvet Underground, Rush, and The Beatles and think that the Sex Pistols make nice proverbial neighbors for those groups
The funny thing about this is that not only is the statement by the sex pistols spot on, its also massively hypocritical and a great example of why its spot on in the first place too.
i randomly caught an induction show flipping channels a while back and they were inducting N.W.A. I didnt care in the first place but that made my eyes roll.
The Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame lost any credibility when they ignore rock bands and induct rap and other non-rock bands. They are a joke.
Since they induct rap etc, it should be renamed the music hall of fame. It is strange how they choose who they do.
Deep Purple, Jane’s Addiction, and Soundgarden are all missing (many, many more…)
@@alecalfaras5936 absolutely. Some shouldn’t even be in there either 😂
@@alecalfaras5936 lol, Deep fucking Purple isn't in the Hall of Fame?
Jethro Tull is not in but Green Day and The Go-Gos are. Need I say more. A total joke that place is. 😂🤡
Michael Anthony didn't leave Van Halen. He found out online that he'd been replaced by Wolfgang. The band didn't even contact him to tell him.
Good ol boy EDDIE, 🫠 AGAIN , For ya .... Maybe being "a drunk" WAS the MAIN/primary reasoning ON HOW/ WHY the guy was such a colossal A-hole 😒 (while on THIS earth)....
I loved Van Halen. Got their logo tattooed. That being said, it was 🐎 💩 what they did to Michael Anthony.
Michael Anthony has proved through the years and all the Van Halen bs what a stand-up guy he is. They tried to yank him around with other stuff, too---like Cabo Wabo. Yet, he has always seemed to be a true friend to them. To this day he is still a great performing bassist and vocalist.
@@FortessofShred Yep..And AGAIN? At NO less than under complete control of...? The Van Halen bros, Alex and Eddie....And "I get" HOW Eddie was ALL about, bringing his one and only son into the music biz etc. (and that was commendable no doubt) but yeah... I don't think Big Ed went about going through "the appropriate steps", IMO....Ya wanna bring your kid into the biz and show people he's talented etc? Start a SEPARATE band Eddie, (with your son and you!)....Don't CHYT on the guy OR guys that have helped you rise to the TOP, and for HOW MANY decades at THAT? 🤨. Yeah... REALLY friggin chytty indeed, WHAT they DID to Mikey... SMH. But yeah, , like you sayin you got the infamous VH logo inked on ya, and I ended up gettin the OzzyRandy Tribute portrait tattooed on my back 14 years ago, its ALL about the music at the end of the day.... ROCK the funk ON 😎🤘🔥🤘
@@agneslong2323 Yep 👍... TOTAL agreement....And I will admit, I used to not necessarily be the biggest fan of his but yeah, ever since "ALL that"...He HAS proved to be, the MOST, of a human being OUTTA ALL of em .....😎🤘🔥🤘
Gary Cherone’s statement could not possibly be more gracious or respectful, damn 👏🏼👏🏼
True, but I think Sammy's response to it was equally so, as it is an honest fact. Every VH fan knows Dave and Sammy, but millions have never even heard of Gary. His exclusion from the induction was right and just, and they both honorably acknowledged that reality. Props to them both.
Nothing but respect for Gary.... loved that tour too. Only time I heard Halen perform a full plate of Dave and sammy material.
I remember seeing him with VH on the VHIII tour (1998). Cherone is a great singer, and they performed tracks that they hadn't performed since the Roth era, but he never really did gel with the VH sound.
...you guys should have seen VH in the late 70's and early 80's back when they really rocked...back in the Diamond Dave days...by the 90's they were over as a band, not even the Red Rocker could save them from mediocrity...
The fact that people give the R&RHOF any credibility or even a notice is laughable. A sucker born every minute I believe was once said.
I believe that was coined by Dr. Jonathan Sucker, who had 12 wives that were in a perpetual rotation of pregnancy.
😂
@ Andy Leibrook - I one hundred percent agree.
I think All awards shows are rubbish.
Music is not a competition.
🙂
If there was a salty loser Hall Of Fame, you would be in it.
@@dhenderson1810 LOL..Cmon, now surly you do better than that.
Any REAL Van Halen fan KNOWS it's hypocrisy because the critics always crucified the band's music .
The HALL is a joke and a DISASTER to begin with. Long live VAN HALEN !! 🎵
Like Madonna
@@musik4life24 the Hall has LL COOL J...i mean...jeez.
Why? Because black artists are in the RRHOF?
@@saj8 LOL No, Madonna isnt Rock“n“roll mate
@@musik4life24 That's the real reason. Folks are mad because a lot of black artists of different musical genres are in the Hall of Fame. Madonna was just a red herring.
The Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame is just one big, giant excuse for wealthy people to complain; they whine just as much when they're inducted as they do when they're not inducted.
Spoken like a true socialist
That sounds like every live award show on television.
Well said, man
@@randym7961 I’m not a socialist in any sense of the word and agree with Nick 100%
@@randym7961 I'm far from a socialist and every word Nick said is spot on. Same as the "grammys" and the academy awards, bullshit...
The RRHoF is such a stupid concept, (as are most halls of fame). The Sex Pistols got it right with their statement.
For sure 👍 💯
The Sex Pistols were a parody, a short-lived parody. Frankly, they were a joke.
I was disappointed that The Ramones went along with it, but happy Richie Blackmore never showed.
@@DrJ-hx7wv The Ramones, if not the start of punk, were right there at the start
No the Sex Pistols were not a joke or a parody and that's a fact. Learn your rock n roll history young people
R&R HOF has about as much integrity as the Nobel Peace prize and the Oscars. It matters only to the industry leaders that think it is THEIR show. None of these awards mean shit to me.
And no you cannot have Van Halen without Eddie Van Halen!! Glad to hear that they won’t be touring without him !!
Well said, it belongs the beast of mammon. Perhaps they can call it the Hall of Baphomet.
Same here.
Amen! Where's Black Flag, Husker Du, MDC, etc, etc, etc.......?!?
@Fred Jennings "R&R HOF has about as much integrity as the Nobel Peace prize and the Oscars"
Hey, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, so that pretty much destroys half your argument
Also Oscar is woke because he lives in a trash can, but still teaches children, so that destroys the other half
Michael Anthony didn't leave, he was kicked out even though he was a loyal member.
I've actually met and chatted with Michael Anthony in 1986 - one of the nicest people you'd ever meet.
1:40 So let me get this right... the band being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has to pay $25,000 to sit at a table for the privilege?! No wonder they didn't show up!
See Steve Miller's speech about it.
@marquisdequeensbury5.014 - um, ok so someone should be expected to pay $25,000? Even if I could afford I wouldn't do it. Total waste of money
@@gary6754 That's tax deductible though. Many artists are paying these fees simply to solidify their name in history. It is quite a poor example of what an "award & honorary" gig should be.
@@xocomaox The Sex Pistols were spot on. The exorbitantly high fees for artists to attend *THEIR OWN INDUCTION* are utterly bizarre and completely unnecessary. I assume this damn museum sells tickets and earns revenue. So why the shameless money-grab? Some of these artists are long retired and can't even afford these fees. What "non-profit orgs" are these fees going to? A charity of the artist's choice? It is all very odd...
That said, induction into the museum definitely has its benefits, which is why Steve Miller, despite his criticism, ultimately decided to show up. With the exception of the Pistols, can't think of any artist that refused . The vast majority of artists do pay the $$$, show up, accept the award and even play. They all bend down to the museum. It is worth it to them.
@@Better_Call_Raul Didn't GNR?
Eddie had more creative freedom with Sammy Hagar. The new music was more sophisticated. However DLR in Van Halen was raw and primal. I liked both. Can't blame Eddie for bringing his kid in but VH is not VH without Michael Anthony. You can only break up a band so much, before you start losing interest. Michael Anthony's background vocals were underrated. It was a big ingredient in The VH sound.
Before typing, I always scroll a little to see if someone already said, what I want to say. Thank you!
With Hagar, they became a dull, uninspired AOR band 🤷♀️
Great comment on all points. Love that you gave the Hagar era a chance and saw the different strengths of DLR era versus SH era. And agreed on Michael Anthony. He was lead singer for another band when VH recruited him. I was sometimes underwhelmed by his bass playing but agree he added more as a backing vocalist.
Bassist have history being underrated/under-appreciated members in many a great band, e.g., Led Zeppelin (JPJ was a creative mad-genius), Black Sabbath (Geezer Butler was the primary lyricist), Van Halen (Michael Anthony's backing vocals and harmonizing were vital to VH sound).
@@kevinmichael9482 Steve Harris writes most of the songs for Iron Maiden
I remember watching this “induction” live and couldn’t believe that the only two members there were the two kicked out of VH (they really did Michael Anthony dirty, I get Eddie wanting his kid in the band but wtf? Michael was loyal and never needed the spotlight while providing a strong bass and backing vocals)
To be honest I don’t watch the presentation anymore after VH was inducted, either the artists getting in isn’t really “Rock” or the band has been together for so long, the animosity is dripping from the stage.
I watched the Eagles' induction and Don & Glenn were ‘gracious’ enough to ‘allow’ past members to attend. IMO Don Henley has “lived long enough to become the villain”
I can no longer listen to Eagles songs because of bitter, greedy ol’ Don. Watching the “Hall of Fame” is just depressing now, when it was once an honor & celebration.
I love how the Sex Pistols insulted them straight up, and also the very Canadian way that Alex Lifeson insulted them in person with his infamous Blah Blah Blah acceptance speech. Translation: "Your vapid award means nothing to me, I see your greedy lips flapping as they expel hot air so I do likewise, ya effing windbags! FU!"
@@RogueReplicant The Pistols/Johnny Rotten wouldn't have been the Sex Pistols if they replied in any other way....
@@HaleysTusk Sid would have concurred! 😎
Yeah, replacing a longtime band member with your kid is a Cheap Trick. (Apologies to Bun E. Carlos!)
Yep, why Axl told them to get fucked
Michael Anthony mentioned Gary Cerone during their acceptance. Class act!
Classy comment from Gary too, totally took the high road and said exactly what the fans felt about how the night was meant for the legendary times of Van Halen. He comes across as the biggest adult in a room full of grown up children...
@@randylahey8207EVEN IF? Cherone DID look the BIGGEST fool WHEN performing with the band 😬😳.....I don't know HOW "they" WERE totally okay with THAT....Whadda clown act Cherone was, live ...🫣
@@jamescon55 oh I don't disagree that it sounded bad. Weird choice on the guys part to pick him, I didn't think it fit at all. Doesn't change the fact that what he said in this situation was classy. I loved VH, but c'mon. All they did was bitch at each other for decades about such petty bullshit. Someone saying a line that simple puts into perspective how big their egos were. Music was great, the rest was childish...
@@randylahey8207 Well, leastways EVH, Alex, Dave and Sammy "bitched back n forth amongst each other" throughout the decades... Mike Anthony however WAS ALWAYS the cool one throughout it ALL though....
@@jamescon55 absolutely. He was a complete drunk, but he kept his business to himself. Incredible player, very underrated
From 1972 to 1986, ELO accumulated more combined UK and US Top 40 hits than any other band in the world, and also generated the third most UK and US separate Top 40 hits. They were inducted in the HOF only in 2017...It says a lot about the HOF $$$$
Always thought that ELO was kind of lame. Not what I would call a Rock band.
My grandaddy loved ELO. He was born in 1922. I used to listen to their records with him and my dad and smoke that fine Panama grass with them. Good, simple, wholesome times through the 70s and 80s man, wish I could go back and see them both one more time before I die.
@@j.w.3345 You're momma obviously didn't raise you right boy.
@@j.w.3345 wow I am sure you don’t know the full extent of their music catalogue. ELO has done so many rock songs just go to ELO’s second album, the third album the fourth album and the fifth album to name a few.
@@j.w.3345ELO aren’t your typical rock band which makes them better in a way
Everything about the RRHOF is always so messy…
Still heartbroken about Eddie may he rip
Wherever he is, he is .most definitely ripping
Probably trying to catch up with dime. Dime was a really fast guitar player even though he doesn’t show it in Panteras most popular albums.
I think you mean may he shred. Shred In Peace.
Eddie rips in eternity!
Probably sitting around too drunk to function...
Also, I don't care what anyone thinks, I love David Lee Roth VH and I love Sammy Hagar VH!
Me tooth!
Same here. I was in second grade when Dave left, but when I later discovered their music I could enjoy original Van Halen, Sammy Van Halen and Dave’s solo stuff. And got to be fifth row for VH’s Balance tour in 95!
@@oddcreatureX I bet that was sweet!!
Hagar sucked. Without DLR, VH would have never been.
@@rentedtux1883 like I said, I don't care what you think!
The hall lacks legitimacy for many reasons. After all these years guys like Meat Loaf, Ted Nugent, Tom Scholz, Steve Lukathar, Johny Barbata, Lou Gram, and so many more legendary famous people who played on rock n roll music we all know and love cannot call themselves hall of famers because of the pricks who run that entity.
Exactly! Taking their place, are awful rap groups. Rap is not even music!. It's stolen samples of somebody else's music with someone talking fast over it.
@@Krullmatic you can literally count the hip hop artists that are inducted into the hall of fame on your fingers and they account for less than 3% of all the inductees. whose place are they exactly taking, REO Speedwagon’s?
@@valentinch0 Therefore what? The name Rock n Roll Hall of Fame implies it is an award/museum for famous acts who played rock n roll. However, they insist on snubbing so many greats and instead inducting people from other genres and who were not famous.
@@highlighted_reply think of Rock and Roll in a broader sense, not just music done by hairy white dudes with guitars. think of it as a medium of expression for young people, something that is forward thinking, energetic and provocative.
@@valentinch0 If they want a modern music hall of fame they should call it the Modern Music Hall of Fame. The fact is they are snubbing the guys who had monster hits all of the world, sold tons of records, knocked The Beatles off the top spot of the charts.... And to be honest they mistreat the people they do induct. So...... fuck 'em.
I remember that interview with Eddies son on Howard. He said that his father was the worse guitar teacher ever. He would show him how to play some notes and then he would become Eddie Van Halen and start jamming out...LOL
There’s nothing legitimate about the RRHOF when it’s not based on some objective number Iike records sold. I could start my own “Rock Music Hall of Fame” and pick whoever I wanted to award and it would be the same.
It's not legitimate either when you induct artists (rap) that were never even mentioned in the same sentence as rock and roll.
Really, it’s no different than the Hollywood Walk of Fame. The stars pay to have their name added to the sidewalk.
@@Fakename70 Wait is that for real?? They always made it sound like they’re awarded or something 😳
@@Syclone0044
I think there’s a list of nominees, if I remember correctly. If I’m right, I think they coordinate a ceremony date with celeb. AFTER they pay for the “honour.” If you’ve ever seen one of the ceremonies, the celeb is typically “honoured” by the Honorary Mayor of Hollywood (which, isn’t a city separate from Los Angeles, but, rather part of it), Johnny Grant, if I remember. Not sure if he’s still alive, though. And, not sure what the fee is, nor, where it goes.
@@markbacu7949
“Rock and Roll” is meant as a generic, (mostly) all-encompassing term. I’m still amazed so many people don’t realize that, and manage to let such things as the inclusion of Hip-Hop pioneers and Rap artists (not always one and the same) bother them.
Wish everyone would ignore the RRHOF
We do, my man.
I'm so glad I got to see them live. Thanks, Eddie. One of the best shows I've ever seen.
The best show I ever saw
Yeah, saw the reunion tour. NEVER hagar
In his book of half truths and lies , RED ,Hagar said the band cancelled the Alaskan part of the tour because of scheduling . After OU812 came out , I was expecting the band to tour up in Alaska because Hagar played up here a few times and he said he'd be coming back up again during his VOA concert in Anchorage Alaska . I told someone I knew that worked at the city's sports arena where most concerts are and he replied that the band would never come up with Hagar . Then he told me why . He was great friends with one of the arenas main managers . The manager told him that after the VOA show Hagar found out he didn't sell out by a handful of tickets . Well Captain Candyass had a little hissyfit and told the manager he'd never do anymore concerts up here . And Van Halen never came up to Alaska to tour until Gary Cherone replaced him . True story . By the way , his book is full of lies and too much crap about the brothers when the book was supposed to be about Hagar . He used it as a smear campaign against the Halen brothers .
The only reason Michael Anthony was replaced by Wolfgang was because his last name was Van Halen ...
Who still misses Eddie in 2021?
The farther I get away from the 80's the more I realize it was the last great decade of the USA that we'll never see again.
I don't disagree with this, but the 90s were really good, too. Then again, that was the decade of my twenties, so of course I'm biased.
I don't miss him at all. All the good VH music you can hear recorded, and he wasn't going to release anything good anymore
i still miss the greatest guitarist ever his name was Jimi Hendrix you may of heard of him he died in 1970 i was 13
CIA selling crack, Reagan refuses to sign treaty to ban nuclear weapons, surreptitious war with Granada, death of American unions...good times... good times. 😑
Well I didn’t know him personally. And he hadn’t been as much of a relevant presence on my radar in the last 25 years ….So, no. I don’t miss him.
Last time I was this early VH was still called Mammoth
I saw van halen live on 2009 vlantines day in Orlando. I was 14. It was an incredible concert. Will never forget RIP Eddie. You were my inspiration to play guitar 🎸
Full respect to the bands that told the RRHOF to get stuffed.
Sex Pistols statement is Punk true to form. 🤘🏻
100%
nailed it!
Johnny Rotten is the only celebrity that publicly outed BBC pedo Jimmy Savile in the 70s, thus demonstrating he was the most authentic no bullshit celebrity of his generation
@@LordStompyHarpLoonyTunes No doubt
@V. S. Werejester Actually he is more punk now than ever and still going against the establishment and their new incarnation of liberal fascism
Gary from extreme is a class act dude. good on him!
Yeah, he used to work at Strawberries in Boston. He once called and left a message on my machine when he was with The Dream to come down and see his band.
Can't have Van Halen without Eddie Van Halen, and you can't have it with him either.
Sammy Hagar should have gotten an individual induction for all of his work.
👏🏾
Hahahha you gotta be kidding me. The best thing he did was replace someone better.
they shouldn't call it the rock and roll hall of fame when two of the main inductees this year were Jay-Z and LL COOL J. Successful entertainers in there own right but not rock and roll. The hall has lost all credibility with many until bands like Judas Priest and Motorhead are inducted. The main prerequisite for induction should be that the bands play rock and roll music. At the beginning of every Motorhead concert Lemmy would come on stage, grab that bass guitar, look in that crowd and say "we are Motorhead and we play Rock and roll' which should automatically qualify them ahead of these others.
Damn straight
I've been to the rock hall. It's a pretty silly place. My late wife bought a tambourine at their souvenir shop, an act I never forgave her for.
Damn! Your wife died, and you still haven’t forgiven her for buying a tambourine at the RRHOF souvenir shop? That’s hardcore! 😳
Hmmm, maybe the tambourine was the reason for the "late"?
So you killed her?? 😳😉
@Jay Sharp Buying garbage isn't a joke.
She paid the ultimate price for such stupidity. God have mercy on her.
The entire Rock and Roll Hall of fame feels manufactured to me, much like most of modern mainstream music, something that Rock n Roll was never meant to be - or at the very least it's always meant to be about sticking it to whatever authority is around at that time.
I just remember Dave silly and Eddie angry. Another day in VanHalen.
Hagar needs to be inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame regardless of VH.
You’re*
for Montrose even
Lol your a comedian
3 times- Montross- Solo- VH
Whatever else went on with band politics in VH, I think we can all agree that not continuing without Eddie is absolutely the right thing.
Also, apologies for the structure of that sentence.
Van Halen is the Van Halen brothers. I have always preferred the David Lee Roth era myself. But without Eddie I don’t believe David would be famous whatsoever. That’s not to say he isn’t a great frontman. But it’s Eddie’s lead guitar and his outstanding rhythm guitar playing that could make any band better. So without his own band he still could have been doing magic in other bands and become iconic. Everyone else was a replaceable. But Van Halen was not just your average great band. They definitely have a place in history as one of the ten greatest rock bands in American history. There really should be something to rival the Rock and Roll hall of fame. It’s always been full of crap in my opinion. Yes great bands are in it. But it’s so corporate that it isn’t a true HOF once again IMO. The bands that have either had to wait while scrub bands get the n or rap or pop get in. It’s so ridiculous that it should be called the bubble gum pussy hall! We the true fans of Rock and metal should be the ones voting not some fancy filthy rich nerd that probably hardly ever was a true fan of Rock music. Is Iron Maiden in yet? Deep Purple? Why these bands didn’t get in on the first year eligible is stupid. Where’s Priest? Rush waiting forever like YES had to. It shows how wrong they are. Megadeth should be in and so many ROCK bands that I won’t watch any of the made up crap for corporate monkeys. The Outlaws , Molly Hatchet I swear those are rock bands! Not Tupac!
@@robert.m4676 David and Eddie's relationship was symbiotic: without David Van Halen would have been only another 70s band or a technically impecable obscure art-rock band. Without Eddie DLR would have been an ordinary 80s singer, at best. When David left, Sammy fit the music atmosphere like a glove while DLR continued to be DLR.
I'm willing to bet that there's some deal between the Van Halen brothers to dissolve the band if one of them couldn't make it. The band was property of the VH brothers and they never tried to hide it, it's reasonable. Eddie's son can't carry his father's legacy alone since Alex is not getting any younger either... also because he can't carry VH's legacy.
@@redacted2275 I never cared for Sammy with Van Halen. I would have checked them out but it’s just not the same. I always thought the original Van Halen was easily the best by far. Even though Sammy’s Van Halen reached higher charts it just wasn’t the same. You sound like you like the Sammy era more and that’s cool. To each his own but to me it wasn’t as cool. I do believe that there was always friction with Eddie and Dave but that’s also what made the thing work too. I personally thought it was a bad move on Roth’s part but oh well!
Dude, your sentence structure is fine, so don't worry about that. As far as I'm concerned, there was only ONE true Van Halen lineup... that being David Lee Roth at Vocals, Eddie Van Halen at Guitar, Alex Van Halen at Drums, and Michael Anthony at Bass Guitar. Period! When Sammy Hagar came into Van Halen, a lot of people called them Van Hagar. Gary Cherone was in Van Halen for a quick minute...so to speak.
The only Van Halen is the FIRST lineup! That's the only one that matters!
Micheal Anthony didnt leave the band. He was fired and he only found out he was fired when the reunion with Roth was announced
I am so happy Wolfgang (had a male cat called Wolfgang for 19 years.) got to play with his Dad and Uncle Alex. They got to bond. Such a great musician too. Much love and respect for them.
I don't want to upset you, and you're not wrong at all. But if you could indulge me....
My all time fav album is Fair Warning. I was a freshman in high school when 1984 came out and saw that tour. Love Sammy, saw them in concert multiple times, but could not continue my love affair with the band, despite my best efforts. The band dynamic left the dangerous hard rock behind, and God love Sammy, the music was just too pretty for me.
Leave that pretty stuff to Journey. Who I love, btw...
Anyway, Long story short, there was no way I was going to attend a concert to see Eddie's fat kid playing Michael's parts. I know it's Harsh. Maybe cruel. But I saw all those thumbs up and I just had to give my two cents, as an original gangsta.
Cheers!
@@scottgregory6129 aww thank you for your much loved opinion. I never saw them live and lost interest as well and after all, their amazing 80s rock was phenominal! LOL on the "fat kid". Made my day by laughing and right now needed that. I can't say what my favourite album . After the 80s it just wasn't the same. Sammy is a great Showman with beautiful vocals and I just didn't care for VH. After Sammy left I lost complete interest.
@@moriganna67ify Well, I'm glad I choose my words carefully and you get my sense of humor. Eddie was the reason I started playing guitar so long ago. If your curious at how Eddie influenced this "fat kid" I have some recent music on my page. Take care and keep rockin'.
@@scottgregory6129 I don't see anything but an opinion which is appreciate this. Thank you.
@@scottgregory6129 I'm an overweight musician and composer myself. I've been so since I was about 10 years old. But your post has now made me see the error of my ways! Because of diabetes, it's very hard to control my weight. Therefore, I am quitting music selling my equipment! You have taught me that fat guys have no business playing music! Thank you for setting me straight! You are wonderful! 😃🙏
VH without Eddie no! Wolfgang is right, is like Pantera without Dime!
And yet Pantera have already reformed without both Abbott brothers.
R I P Eddie Van Halen. Thank you for all the songs with David and Sammy. I don't care about people's opinions on who was better. They both produced songs we sing today either in the car or just hanging with friends. The black, white and red stripes live on. 5150
Roth and Eddie were the core of Van Halen.
No kidding?
Unfortunately Dave will never get the credit he deserves for making Van Halen the band they became. Ed was a great guitarist but Dave (even Sammy) pieced all those great riffs and ideas into actual songs making them into something magical. Dave pulled Ed and Alex out of their Black Sabbath progressive music and introduced all of the dance and party elements that became the band that took over the world. When Ed worked with Dave, it was Dave's influence that made them sound a certain way. It's Sammy's influence that colored that era as well. Ed had great riffs but didn't know how to write full songs. Once Ed took over, even with a great singer like Gary, it all bombed.
Yeah, these legends need the Hall's acceptance to validate their status.
Omg, did Sammy actually say he was in the band for 21 years? Lol. Sam, if you get fired in 1996 and not reunite until 2004, then those 8 years with you out of the band do not count.
Yeah. I was going to say that sounds like bad math.
He was famous for 21 years for his membership in the band.
It's quite clear that Hagar is, in fact, NOT 'something of a mathematician', as he claimed in his autobiography.
I think he was talking about 21 years from the time he joined VH up until their induction, which was a problem because the HoF requires a minimum of 25 years from first releasing an album with a band or as a solo artists. Haggar was clearly not eligible going by those rules.
@@patrickstewart3446 the band's first album being at least 25 years old is what makes the band eligible. Doesn't matter if later members weren't in the band yet. Also Sammy Hagar as a musician had albums older than 25 years in 2007. So either way, he was eligible.
These people are icons in the world of rock and roll. Everyone has a hero. It's sad to find out that groups like VH and others have to deal with so much politics and bad blood. These people were rock and roll during a time they were touring and making albums. I find it disturbing that idols of these powerhouse bands cannot get the real support from an institution that was set up to honor them.
Sammy slammed Dave but with his statement proved Dave was right all along with Velvet Revolver weren't up for the job to play VH songs.
100% correct!
"Your anonymous as judges, but your still music industry people." It should be, "You're anonymous as judges, but you're still music industry people." It's a simple check to always get that right.
Alex Lifeson had the greatest RRHOF speech of all time.
"blah blah blah"
Blah blah blah...I love that he did that.
I feel like I was with him through the whole story. Truly breathtaking.
Rick Wakeman's was pretty good too.
@@josephgallagher945 I quote Rick Wakeman's to my friends regularly. 😂
I would like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame committee to be listed, not anonymous. There are so many bands that should have been inducted a long time ago.
Love Van Halen♥️
Shit the committee is probably full of rappers & pop singers.
Induction of Jayz was the final nail in the rock Hall of Fame coffin for me and I would assume I’m not the only one
Big props to the Van Halen brothers, as well as Axl Rose; for shunning this joke of a building. HUGE props to Paul Stanley for ever so eloquently telling the selection committee what a joke their stupid little museum is while standing on it's grand stage, right to their faces, and right in front of the worldwide media.
Paul Stanley and kiss are a novelty band and he knows they didn’t deserve to be there with serious musicians
At the very least ⭐....Eddie got to see the induction even though it was televised from rehab. Doesn't seem real that the mighty EVH is gone 😔. Rest easy king Edward 🎤🎸🎶
I went their a few years back. When I saw a Madonna and Biggie Smalls display I walked back out. It's like going to a Ferrari museum and seeing a Toyota or Ford. Go tour the USS Cod right by it, you will have a better time.
Putting rappers & other non rock & roll acts in the hall of fame is like having tofu at a real steakhouse. Its absurd.
I have been a rabid VH fan since the first album was released in 1978. There are a ton of things I could say but all I really want to say is RIP the incomparable Edward Van Halen. We miss you Eddie.
I’ve followed Van Halen for decades, since 1979 I think, but I’ve never heard of Velvet Revolver.
Nothing is less Rock and Roll than an organization that determines what is.
johnny rottens footnote is much more interesting than anything hagar has ever done.
I already read Hagar's book about this stuff it was a mess from the start
I think everyone who likes Rock and Roll hates the Rock and Roll HOF
Bring back “What’s going on my fellow rock n’rollers?”! 🤘🏼
If you missed VH live , well you'll never know what you missed.
I know what I was missing after seeing them (with DLR) back in the '80's, my hearing! I swear the next 3 days, I was pretty much deaf.
my mom said they were the loudest band shes ever heard. ears ringing for a few days
@@hank1556 that was any 70-80s rock concerts , the ringing in the ears 🤣
@@cnance1972 I saw literally a concert every weekend for years straight and they were the only band where I literally lost 90% of my ability to hear from more than a day. Now in my late 50's, I definitely have hearing issues, but what a time we had!
Saw them in 2012 and 2015. At the 2015 show, I saw them play Drop Dead Legs and Dirty Movies live for the first time ever. It was the first show of the tour.
Still wondering what Grandmaster Flash, Patty Smith, and a few others are doing in the RRHOF. Fucking RIDICULOUS. They recognize RAP and PUNK, but try like hell to pretend METAL doesn't exist. They GRUDGINGLY accepted Sabbath, but have still stiffed Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, the Scorpions, and Motorhead. The HOF is a joke, but not a funny one.
Patti Smith could be as rock on some songs as a lot of other inductees. Plus, she was married to Fred "Sonic" Smith of the MC5, and her lead guitarist is Lenny Kaye, guitarist, rock writer, and compiler of "Nuggets," the greatest various artists rock record ever made.
So if nothing else, Patti is "Rock By Association!"
HOF IS SUCH A BIG JOKE! When you think Jeff Lynne's Electric Light Orchestra (ELO) was inducted only in 2017 it was way too late. HOF has no credibility. From 1972 to 1986, ELO accumulated more combined UK and US Top 40 hits than any other band in the world, and also generated the third most UK and US separate Top 40 hits.
I think it’s so disrespectful to demand honorees pay for their own table. The HOF should have a fund set up to pay. Even fans or sponsors could be asked to contribute but to expect $25,000 from the guests of honor ? RUDE !
this made me love the Pistols all the more. Its funny with alllll the bands and shows I have seen over the years (im 55 and still going ) I never even pay any attention to the R&R HoF does anyone else?? 🤷♂️
Nope
Exactly. Fuck every band in this video except the Sex Pistols. The drama is worse than a 5th grade slumber party.
The judges want people who will perform at it, so lots of rock bands with dozens of years of recording and performing get passed over so people from other types of music *will* perform and sell tickets.
What ever, these guys are all great performers and absolute legends among their own particular fans, that this disagreement got in the way of the music is very sad. To me Jump is Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth, and possibly nobody could do it better in any case. Thanks for upload. Excellent explanatory video. RIP Eddie.
RRHOH inducted LL Cool J and JayZ and not Boston, Maiden, Megadeth, Nugent, Pantera, Crue, Foreigner, Billy Idol, Slayer, Bad Brains, Black Flag, Descendents, Bad Company, Willie Nelson, and they were even inducted before Priest was.
It’s a disgrace
The Rock of Shame is a joke... whoever does the voting or makes the choices for hall induction have no idea what ROCK is. I'm sure I'm not alone with this thinking!!!
There is chatter in LA right now that a Van Halen concert is being planned for the Rose Bowl in Pasadena around July 4th, 2022. It would be promoted as the ultimate tribute to Eddie.
David and Sammy on vocals, Alex on drums, Michael Anthony on bass, and Wolfie on guitar…
If they can work this out, it would be the most appropriate tribute and a true Van Halen concert…Wolfie is an exceptional musician and might be the key that brings this all together….
It would have to be with Sammy because DLR just announced his retirement. It also sounds suspiciously like his is not well.
Wolf can't play those solos and I really don't want him to. The whole thing is cringy AF.
Wolfie wouldn’t do that. I feel that you may have just made this up
I'll believe it when I see it.
Dont hold your breath
It's been a great ride Van Halen , Thanks and God Bless !
So interesting! It’s ok, folks have their feelings about “this, that and the other thing” at different times for different reasons in life. Who can honestly say they agree with, or are proud of, everything they themselves even say and do forever? We can just forgive, respect, try to understand and keep affection for each other. It can take the passage of time though to do those kinds of things and not always easy of course. 🎸
Sid, you need to do one on Gilby Clarke’s first band Candy...’Whatever Happened To Fun’ is an amazing album. Thanks.
Yeah! Also about Gilby, "Cure Me or Kill Me" is one of the best singles of the 90s released by a GNR member.
Got to say I never liked velvet revolver or stone temple pilots I agree however putting them in a position to play a van halen song with no Eddie wasn’t right
Damn! STP were badass!
@@michaelharrington75 not for me man I was never into alt rock for a start so STP never peaked to me
@@joehobbs3277 tbh STP’s lyrics left a lot to be desired, write two or three lines then repeat them for the next 3 minutes, also some tried to put them in the same box as better grunge bands, but they had no depth to their song writing. Not to mention Weiland IMO sounded to my ear like a discount Eddie Vedder 🤷🏻♂️
I can relate to the social skills and drinking but I seem the opposite of most people, I was a heavy drinker in my younger days but when I realized I had to get blasted to even go out on the town with my childhood friends it kinda woke me up and the fun I thought I was having wasn't fun at all anymore so I just stopped drinking and over the last 25 or 30 years I might drink one every 4 or 5 years before bed to help me get sleepy.
Who does anyone even care about the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame.?? Its been proven to be a JOKE..
So many incredible and iconic bands who’ve been snubbed by the rock hall, and I’ll mention one of the greatest The Scorpions. Seriously they’re gonna leave the scorpions out? Fuck the RNRHOF
Judas Priest??? Quiet Riot??? I know they're metal but other metal bands are in the RRHOF. Metal Health was literally the first Metal Album to go #1 on Billboard Album Charts back in 1983. Pat Benatar is another one sadly missing.
Styx.
Did I hear they charge the band members $25,000 to reserve a table at the event?! WTF
I've heard other inductees complain about this.
All Hall of Fames are just bullshit anyway. They don't mean anything, just like Grammys and those other award shows.
I agree with Gary's statement. Such a class act! I think a second album with Gary on vocals would have been so much greater than the first album with him as the new VH singer.
I'm a classic Van Halen fan so I prefer Roth. I maintain a full album of new material with DLR when they released Me Wise Magic would have been a great album. Who cares whether he can sing live or not. I'm not listening to that concert over and over again. I listen to the DLR/VH records over and over again.
Loved Hagar too and he did a great job and recorded some great songs with Van Halen. Those songs I can listen to over and over again but not necessarily the albums.
Most of all we all miss the king Edward Van Halen!!!
Crimany, this reads like a junior high girls’s popularity contrast.
I went to the Hagar/Roth concert in Charlotte NC and it was pretty great. Sammy & David took turns opening at each venue. David Lee really rocked the house but Sammy blew the house down! OMG I got so hammered drinking those giant 3000oz pavilion beers! 😂
I saw it and thought Roth pretty much sucked. Agree with you on Sammy though. I actually saw the show in Devore, CA near Sammy's hometown of Fontana so he had home field advantage. Devore was where the 83 US Festival was held coincidentally. I was at that also (yes, I'm getting up there) and after a full day of music and partying, Van Halen, who were closing, took forever to come onstage and when they did Roth was hammered. He sucked! The rest of the guys were great but we couldn't take Roth and left (to beat the traffic) haha. Such an LA thing. The full show from that is up on UA-cam now so I can see what we missed.
Rappers are "inducted" into this idiocy, but country guys (far closer to rock and a huge influence on it) are nowhere to be found.
Hmmmm.
They have their own, and it sticks to their own.
DLR is a legend…..in his own mind
I watched the 2007 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction mainly for R.E.M., as they're my favorite band of all time.
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Your videos started out good and improve for each upload. Your content is amazing !
Thanks! Wait till you see what I have in store for November! Just wrapped up two 20 min plus videos!
@@rnrtruestories i’ll be watching for sure !
EVH was a great guitarist and massively influential, just loved VH early stuff up to Diver Down. Unfortunately EVH and his brother Alex were just awful people which is a real shame. I only hope EVH found the peace he never could in life. RIP EVH.
Ted what do you mean about Eddie & Alex being awful? I just don't know that much about that band. Was it do to drugs & alcohol?
@@catnipsmile I have some FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE about the "GREAT VAN HALEN".
Ted Wojatsik is CORRECT.
Eddie may have been a great guitar player, but he was a TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT.
Back in the day, me and him had a nice little encounter that would make you hate his ass too.
I don't need to go into details, but yeah --- HE IS.
@@rayjingloryproductions3770 Damn! I never knew that. That's to bad he was an ass to you. Jekyll & Hyde. Yea, there's shit coming out about the treatment of Mike Anthony. Mike, like you, didn't deserve that kind of treatment.
Some of these Rockstars have such petty drama going on in their lives..
I was a Van Halen fan, but when Roth left, I tuned out.
The disaster was VR's "performance". Yeah Van Halen guitar parts can be very difficult... but they picked one of the easiest ones to play ("Ain't Talking 'Bout Love") and Slash butchered the intro and Weiland was a joke. But at least you could recognize that song. Their "version" of Runaround was truly insulting.
It was actually a good cover. The Eddie fanboys always get so butt hurt when they don't hear his "gimmicks" that wear off in 10 seconds of listening.
I watched their induction recently, being none the wiser, and I have to admit, the optics of the entire then current lineup being notably absent while recent defunct members represented the band looked terrible and was unsightly to say the least. Thanks for the background scoop.
The rock n roll hall of fame reminds me of Harold Ramis in Airheads lmao 🤣
Thank you for talking about this. ❤
Hello all
I even watch when I dont like th bands
I can't stand Ted Nugent's politics nor his personality, but there's no doubt in my mind he belongs in the HOF, mostly because he was the king of the mountain in the 1970s when I was a kid. I can't believe how many times I heard Stranglehold on the radio. His Double Live Gonzo record is a top live album of all time, and EVERYONE owned it. Foreigner also TOTALLY belong there. You're not telling me Boston I is not in the HOF? That can't be possible! YOU ARE RIGHT! How can the biggest album of the 1970s not get the band in the HOF! Brad Delp - one of the craziest vocal talents in rock music ever - not in the HOF! More than A Feeling - not in the HOF! Insanity. TOm Sholz was not just a great guitarist, but also invented mass-produced gear. Cmon!
Judas Priest not being in the HOF - CRIMINAL OVERSIGHT! I MEAN CMON! and JETHRO TULL!
I really respect that. I can't stand liberal politics but would never would never be opposed to an introduction because musicians politics are different than mine, good tunes is good tunes. Ted is am idiot I'll say it but you can't deny how great he is and deserves that recognition.
Ted's a no bull shit guy .If you ask but like his answer well Ted's going to tell you anyways. You sound like a Roth fan
Who cares if there in or not ..It is all about the fan base ..to me that speaks louder then some bs hall of politics
Sorry.Dont
Rush. Yes, I know they are there now, but same BS - it's a joke
So many bands swap out members. How can you have Styx w/o Dennis DeYoung? Or KISS w/o Ace Frehley? But apparently.... you can. How can you have Queen w/o Freddie Mercury? Apparently.... you can. If.... the PRICE IS RIGHT!
Yes continued without Jon Anderson. Yet, many defend the band as it is, saying if you can't accept them as they are now, you're not a true fan. So watch what you say about a band that has absolutely no original members, especially their best singer!
Is it just me or does David Lee Roth in the later years resemble Dr. Smith from Lost In Space?😂😂😂
Mr. Furley