As several others said, there is almost no VR content focused on work-related use. Finally someone started posting videos on this! You're right about the focus aspect of VR, it is definitely easier to get in the zone when there are less visual distractions. Another aspect that is unique to VR is the sense of scale. When I'm immersed in Google Earth, for instance, I find it so much easier to make decisions about modeling a 3d building compared to simply looking at reference images. When it comes to designing large props or environments, there's no contest-VR takes the experience to another level. Thanks so much for the informative videos and keep up the fantastic work!
Awesome!! I totally agree! Thanks for the encouragement regarding my videos. I hope to make more - most likely starting up again in June. IRL is a bit crazy at the moment and I haven't had time. But I'm glad you like what I have out there and I'll make more videos soon!
thanks for uploading this! ive been watching a ton of videos about VR just for the purpose of working in a virtual environment with a multiple monitor setup on the go. just one question how's the resolution? is it a lot of difference between these two?
The resolution is not as good as 4k monitors IRL for sure. However, the resolution is totally good enough to work. You can experiment with screen size and position in VR to achieve clean, crisp text that is completely workable. But you will definitely lose some resolution compared to IRL. The VR hardware just isn't there yet.
The content is awesome! I remember talking to you once very late in the evening (on finnish time), and received so many tips. I feel like I know a celebrity! Keep on going Dave!!
Nice review!! I was looking for this. You think that you will do the same test for the vive XR lite when it's aviable?. I want this feature, but the quest pro it's way too expensive. maybe the XR vive its the same result (without face tracking) at more cheeper price
Hi there! Sadly, I don't get paid for any of this, so I probably won't do a test for the vive XR simply because I can't afford to keep buying headsets! 😆 However, I'm super excited about all the new hardware coming out and being developed. It's only going to get better/cheaper as time goes on! The Quest Pro already had a $400 price drop!
really nice video comparison. Isn't latency an issue? I've been using the xreal beam and it's fine cabled, but miracast is super laggy. What's immersed like?
Latency is almost never an issue for me. Sometimes it crops up a little, especially if I'm pushing the system with all 5 available screens while in an active, public environment with lots of other people/avatars all around, moving and talking. For those instances, Immersed offers WiFi-Direct and USB-Wired options, both of which help with latency. I also use the "VR Mouse" to reduce the perception of latency. But usually, the standard wifi connection is sufficient with latency being low enough such that it doesn't matter. However, keep in mind the primary use-case... this is for productive work in VR. i.e. coding or using Excel or whatever. If you're trying to do high-performance gaming or something like that, the latency will be unacceptable for sure. But for normal productive work, I usually don't notice the latency at all.
@@WorkInVR that's great to know. Do you know technicallyh how it works? I don't imagine it's wifi direct. I was expecting that we'd only see low latency (for video) with wifi 7 now that they opened up new a range of new frequency bands to support higher throughput. I'm really curious about this and how you'd use this type of solution without a wifi router.
@@cameroncameron6800 I don't know technically how Wi-Fi Direct works, but my general understanding is that it eliminates a network/router hop. So, normally, when your laptop and headset are connected to your Wi-Fi, the screen data is streamed from your laptop, through your local Wi-Fi network and into the headset. This is similar to how a Chromecast works. Using Wi-Fi direct, you turn your laptop into a mobile hotspot. Then, you change your headset Wi-Fi connection settings so your headset connects *directly* to your laptop. In this manner, the screen data is streamed directly to the headset without having to travel through your Wi-Fi network, thereby making it faster. I hope that helps! You can see some how-to articles here: medium.com/immersedteam/wi-fi-direct-8ec23c74fdab and here: medium.com/immersedteam/immersed-wifi-direct-for-windows-9b31a3e4c421
@WorkInVR I've been doing some reading and watching your videos. It's not entirely clear how it would work, as I'd expect wifi direct to disable internet unless cabled. However I think it's also worth mentioning to viewers of your channel that wifi direct would give people the ability to use immersed outside of a routered environment e.g. Park, train, Cafe or parked car. This is interesting to maybe share with your viewers if this is the case as many don't know this. Many also think that technology isn't at the point where latency isn't an issue. It certainly is news to me.
@@cameroncameron6800 Great thoughts! I'll have to run some experiments with Wi-Fi Direct (i.e. no internet, cabled internet, Wi-Fi internet). However, I believe that, with a Wi-Fi Direct connection, you have the connection to your screens, regardless of whether you have internet coming to your laptop. Immersed also offers USB Tethering. This works on a similar principal to Wi-Fi Direct. With USB Tethering, your screens are being streamed through the cable so it's lower latency. I just did an experiment... while connected via USB Tethering, I turned off my laptop's Wi-Fi completely. I lost internet (obviously), but Immersed continued to stream my screens. So yes... your use case of using Immersed outside of a routered environment (i.e. park, train, cafe, parked car, etc.) will work... 100%. This could be useful if you want to do work on your laptop with your screens in Immersed, but don't have internet. Wi-Fi Direct *should* work the same way, but I haven't tried it. I'll have to try that and do a video about it! 😁 Here is some more info about USB Tethering in case you haven't seen it: immersed.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/14823473330957-USB-C-Mode-BETA
Truthfully, I haven't really spent any time with other VR productivity apps. There are a LOT of people on UA-cam, Twitter, Medium, and in various Facebook and LinkedIn groups who regularly use many other VR productivity apps. The overwhelming consensus is that Immersed is by far, the best app in the space. So I really just spend my time in Immersed. However, if you want to learn more about other VR productivity apps, check out Rick Casteel's "Personal Productivity Using VR" article here: medium.com/xr4work/personal-productivity-using-virtual-reality-83ab4e0ff9bb Rick is the curator of the XR4work Community on Facebook: facebook.com/groups/728743764390787
Absolutely! I'm still gathering information but I hope to start filming it in a week or two! I know that is not super timely, but I want to really "live" with the Q3 for a while before sharing my thoughts.
You think it's possible for the quest pro to replace a laptop. So far, from what I've seen it pretty much requires a computer to pair to. Is there any way to use something like immerse and pair with a phone or just work on it stand alone?
Some people do use the Quest Pro as a laptop replacement. But that only works if you can do ALL your work in browsers. The Quest Home environment allows you to spawn up to three browser windows, so if ALL your work can be done online, you don't need a laptop! Using a headset for other (non-browser) apps is definitely coming. This is commonly called PCVR. However, it is still a ways off. Most of us need native apps. To use native apps today you need something like Immersed, vSpatial, or Horizon Workrooms. Currently, I do not know of any way to pair directly with a phone. However, Immersed does allow you to mirror your phone as an independent screen. I have a video about this here: ua-cam.com/video/H5F_RMPy_MU/v-deo.html
Thanks so much for this review. Stupid question, but if you are using Horizon Workrooms is the increase in text clarity just as noticeable when using the Pro as opposed to the quest 2?
Hi there! Certainly not a stupid question! TL;DR: Yes! Details: I actually don't know, because I haven't used Workrooms yet. However, from what I've heard, the experience/improvement is the same between Immersed and Workrooms... so yes, there is a noticeable text clarity difference. Let me explain why... To be clear, the increase in resolution is technically NOT significantly better (when you look at the specs). Yes, there are more pixels per inch with the Pro, but they are spread over a wider field of view (a good thing), so technically, it is only a small increase in resolution... it's not dramatic. However, the biggest thing that makes it FEEL like a dramatic improvement are the pancake lenses. With the Fresnel lenses in the Quest 2, the only truly sharp text is that which is viewed through the exact center (or "sweet spot") of the lenses. So if your eyes are looking even slightly outside the exact center of the lenses on the Quest 2, the text will be slightly blurry. The further outside the sweet spot you look, the more blurry the text will be. However, with the pancake lenses of the Quest Pro, anywhere you look on the lenses, the text will be equally sharp. Since it is literally impossible to always keep your eyeballs focused through the exact center of the Fresnel lenses of the Quest 2, you always pick up some of that blurriness. With the Quest Pro, the pancake lenses make that "sweet spot" issue go away completely. So on a very real, practical level, the text is sharper with the Pro. That is the reason why the Pro FEELS so much more crisp even though the pixels per inch of visible FOV is not dramatically higher. So this effect is present no matter what app you're using; be it Immersed or Workrooms.
Thank you so much for your detailed reply! It's genuinely very interesting to see that, despite a slight reduction in resolution from the Quest 2 (Pro = 1800 x 1920 per eye & Quest 2 = 1832 x 1920 per eye) those pancake lenses make all the difference. I know what you mean regarding the centred 'sweet spot' on the Quest 2. I think I'll pick up a Pro in the new year, looking forward to trying it out. Subbed and please keep up the great informative videos - much appreciated! 😀
Will you make a quest 3 video? I just bought the quest 2 out of necessity because I currently travel a lot and can’t take a big monitor with me but the clarity of the quest 2 is very bad. I thought about buying the quest pro but with the quest 3 around the corner I’m not to sure about it. I want to stick to the quest 2 until it’s clear how good the screens of the quest 3 are with the better resolution and the better lenses. I would really appreciate your point of view on this. Also the quest 3 would be cheaper new than a used quest pro…
Hi there! A lot of people are waiting for the Quest 3. The largest advantage of the Quest Pro over the Quest 2 is the pancake lenses. This makes a world of difference when it comes to text clarity! The Quest 3 will have pancake lenses. So, honestly, you're probably good to wait for the Quest 3. It will save you some money. However, Immersed just announced the Visor: www.visor.com/ We don't have pricing or a release date yet, but that will have 4k per eye resolution! That is unprecedented and will be amazing for text clarity. So get on the waitlist for the Visor and be sure to check that out!
@@WorkInVR thanks for the reply. I’m on the visor waitlist, but since I’m from Europe I assume I’ll have to wait even longer and I need something now. I’ll stick with the quest 2 and upgrade to the 3 asap.
@@WorkInVR thanks to you too. I plan to go into coding and I also so 3D designs and I've been looking for hot to cut off distractions and work for hours. I feel the meta quest pro is the answer but I needed someone who uses it to code atleast to tell him his/her experience. My greatest fear is not seeing the text very clearly based on the resolution.
@@steveokocha9860 Yeah... some people really can't stand the text resolution. It is less crisp than in real life, make no mistake. However, it is absolutely usable. You can play with screen size and resolution to maximize the readability. I can tell you from first hand experience (as I'm typing this from the Immersed "Space Lounge" right now), it is totally usable.
@@steveokocha9860 Awesome! Congrats! Be sure to join the Immersed Discord Community here: immersed.com/community There are tons of people there to answer questions and help you optimize your set up!
I'm not sure if there are specific hardware minimums for Immersed. I'm sure they would be able to answer that question on the Immersed Discord: immersed.com/community However, I would guess those specs would work just fine. If you can get your hands on a headset (even if you borrow one) it will be easy to test since Immersed is free. Give it a try!
Thanks for the video! When turning passthrough portals on, what I found to be annoying was the dancing sharp white edges on the virtual monitors. Are you getting the same thing? I think I see it in your video. hmm maybe not on the quest pro?
There are two things at play here... if you're talking about the white "outline" around passthrough windows, you can hide that by disabling your hands. You may already know this, but to disable your hands, looking at your palm and touch your thumb to your ring finger. When you do this, you'll see your hands change color. When your hands are disabled, if you look at your palm, then the back of your hand, and back... your hands will be gray. When your hands are enabled, your hands will look gray when you're looking at your palm, but when you look at the back of your hand, you'll see that your hand is brightly colored (the actual color depends on your theme) and you'll see the laser emitting from your palm (like Iron Man shooting something 😆). But, when your hands are DISabled, you will not see the portal outlines, nor will you be able to move them or your screens. However... I realize you may not be referring to that. If you're talking about the very edge of your screens, then yes, sometimes there are "artifacts". It makes the very edge of your screen look like there is a single pixel thick shiny, shimmery white border. That is something that is mostly out of Immersed's control (due to technical reasons I don't understand). However, you can minimize this effect by adjusting the "Supersampling" slider setting. If you dial up the supersampling slider, the shimmery effect will lessen, but your text will start to become blurry. The trick is to balance that setting such that the shimmery effect is reduced, but you still have sharp text clarity. I think I have mine set at 0.3. But to my knowledge, the only way to completely remove the shimmery artifacts is to push that slider all the way up. That will remove the artifacts, but the text will be way too blurry. So it's a balance.
@@WorkInVR Thanks so much for your reply! Yes I'm talking about the very edges of the screens. I spoke with the support team on discord. If you turn off passthrough, those edges go away. I'm not 100% sure what the issues is. If you use workrooms, those edges don't exist. but the features of immersed are so much better than work rooms. I ordered the quest pro when the prices dropped and it arrived today! I have yet to try immersed. Excited to try it. Has anyone ever said to you that you look EXACTLY like Wes Chatham from the tv show " The Expanse"? Thanks for your help!
@@jaimeaguirre4424 Ah! Yes! I forgot that the artifacts go away when passthrough is turned off. I always sit in a passthrough "disc" so I can swivel in my chair, yet still look down to see my keyboard (you can see this technique here: ua-cam.com/video/I9EZQ7I9mQ0/v-deo.html ). So cool that you're getting your Pro. Looking around in the pro is so much more natural than the Quest 2 due to the pancake lenses. You no longer have to keep your eyes centered on the lens sweet spot. Your eyes can flit and roam around the screen in VR, just like you would IRL and everything is still clear and sharp. You should pop into the public rooms in Immersed and say hi! 👋 And, really... you shouldn't insult Wes Chatham by saying I look like him! 🤣 I absolutely LOVE the Expanse. We talk about it in Immersed all the time. And Amos was hands-down my favorite character in that show. Such a complex and interesting character - he was fascinating! Wes Chatham's performance was inspiring... best in the show if you ask me!
What resolution do you run your screens at when in VR? I’m used to a large 4k at 100% to maximize screen realestate. I tried working in VR a couple of years ago when I got my Valve Index but the resolution was simply too low to be productive, however, I love the idea of pinning my windows all over and running unique backgrounds.
Hi there! My current set up of choice has 4-screens. First, there is my laptop. I'm running a Windows Surface Laptop 3. It's default settings IRL are: resolution = 2496 x 1664, scale = 150%. When in Immersed, I leave the resolution alone, but change the scale to 125%. This gives me more real estate to play with, while still keeping things comfortably readable. This is a slightly square-ish resolution and I use this as my primary (center) screen. Then, IRL, I have two external monitors. They're both set to their defaults of 1920 x 1080. I put those to the left and right of my primary screen. So those three screens IRL just flow into Immersed. No problem. Finally, since I often use a terminal window for my work, I enable a single virtual screen in Immersed, set its resolution super small (1280 x 720) and pin that screen above, and to the left of my three main screens. For me, this is the most natural/comfortable. No, this is not 4k, but I really like this set up and there is lots of screen real estate. You *can* bring in higher resolutions with the IDD drivers for Windows ( github.com/roshkins/IddSampleDriver ) or the BetterDisplay drivers for Mac ( github.com/waydabber/BetterDisplay ). In fact, I once experimented with a "double-double-wide" screen in Windows using the IDD driver (5760 x 2160), so this single screen could push SIX standard 1920 x 1080 screens (three on top, and three on the bottom). However, I had to make the screen so huge in VR that it was fairly unwieldy. Additionally, pushing that many pixels created a bit of annoying lag. It wasn't unusable, but it wasn't ideal either. By the way, I'll be making a video about that topic soon so keep an eye out for that. With my ideal setup (described above), I fall right into productive flow every day. I love it! But one of the best things about Immersed is that you can play/tweak/customize your screens until your heart's content. There are many, many of us who use Immersed all day, every day, and I would venture to say that every single one of our set up's are different. That's the real power of Immersed... you can truly dial in what works for you. Screens in VR are NOT 4k. They just haven't been able to pack that many pixels into the hardware yet. It's coming... but it's not there yet. So if you *must* have that kind of resolution, then VR isn't ready for you yet. However, I spent most of my career on screens that were far lower resolutions than 4k and they worked just fine. I know it's hard to "step back" from ultra-high resolutions. I totally get that. But you *can* do it. The resolutions are good enough to work comfortably. It really comes down to preference. Give it a try some time. Like... a really good, hard college try. I think you'll find that you *can* learn to live with VR resolutions. Before you know it, you won't even think about it anymore... as you work from a space station orbiting the Earth... with co-workers (avatars) from all around the globe... with 5 screens the size of IMAX movie theater screens... 😁
I use Immersed for work. Yes, you can see in my video that I have IRL monitors, but I prefer working in Immersed. Inside Immersed I can have up to 5 screens, focus better, enjoy fun fantastical environments, co-work with other people, etc. The only other things I personally do with my headset is watch Netflix or Amazon Prime when I'm exercising on a stationary bike, and I occasionally play Walkabout Mini Golf with friends from Immersed. The primary use case is for work.
Watching this video again and it looks like you're able to lock your passthrough portals in immersed. I don't see any option to lock these. What are you doing to achieve it? Every time I go to grab my coffee, I'm seeing the white outline of the portal.
You are correct. Immersed updated the software to remove the "pinning" concept. So you can no longer pin your screens and passthrough windows in place. The solution to this is to disable your hands by looking at your palm and touching your thumb to your ring finger. When you do this, you'll see your hands change color. When your hands are disabled, if you look at your palm, then the back of your hand, and back... your hands will be gray. When your hands are enabled, your hands will look gray when you're looking at your palm, but when you look at the back of your hand, you'll see that your hand is brightly colored (the actual color depends on your theme) and you'll see the laser emitting from your palm (like Iron Man shooting something 😆). But, when your hands are DISabled, you will not see the portal outlines, nor will you be able to move them or your screens. So the solution is to enable your hands, get everything set up just the way you want them, then disable your hands. Now, when you move around, you won't accidentally move things.
Hi there! Immersed works by installing a small "agent" software on your laptop. Then you install the Immersed app in your headset. Provided the laptop and headset are connected to the same wi-fi network, they will talk to each other over wi-fi. Immersed actually has "wi-fi direct" as a way to effectively remove latency altogether: ua-cam.com/video/qy_WsQ64DEU/v-deo.html On my normal screens, I don't experience any perceptible latency so I don't bother with wi-fi direct. However, wi-fi direct has helped other users who were experiencing lag. Generally speaking, the more pixels you're pushing (i.e. streaming to the headset), the larger the lag will be. So if you're running 5 screens and you have drivers that allow them to push unusually large resolutions, you may indeed experience more lag simply because the data streaming to the headset is vastly larger. But, with "normal" resolutions (i.e. 1980 x 1020), you probably won't notice any perceptible lag. Immersed also has a "VR Cursor" which has absolutely no lag, even if your screen mouse has a small amount of perceptible lag, so you can experiment with that as well.
@@WorkInVR thanks so much for that advice. I'm debating the pro at the moment, as currently got the Q2, and the sharpness and passthrough just isn't doing it for me. You've been very helpful in my research :)
@@rikkinewman8515 The color passthrough on the Quest Pro is not perfect - it's still lower resolution than I would like. However, it IS better than the Quest 2 and the color is awesome. With the Quest Pro I can actually read the labels on the keys of my keyboard. Passthrough on the Quest 2 is helpful for "gross key location", but you definitely can't read the labels. So the Quest Pro is definitely better... but not perfect. I personally think that the real value of the Quest Pro comes from EXTENDED use. So, if you use the headset A LOT, then it's really worth it. If you're a casual user, then you're probably better off saving the money and sticking with the Quest 2 or waiting until the Quest 3 comes out. Current rumors suggest that the Quest 3 will be out sometime in late 2023. It will be cheaper than the Pro, but it will have better resolution and color passthrough just like the Pro.
After having worked so much time with the Quest2 and now the Pro, have you noticed much battery degradation over time, more so with the Quest 2 as the Pro is still new. Do you use any battery management techniques like never charging to 100% etc?
Hi there -- Since I use the headset for work, I'm either sitting or standing at my desk whenever I use it. So I purchased this 10' USB-C charging cable: amazon.com/dp/B08YYHCCBC I just leave the headset tethered all the time, so my battery is always at 100%. So, unfortunately, I'm not sure about battery degradation over time since I never use the battery! 🙂 If you're in a sitting or standing configuration at a desk and you use the Oculus stationary guardian, you don't even notice that the cable is there. It's nice to not have to worry about power!
Awesome! You'll love it!! If you haven't tried Immersed, be sure to give it a try. Definitely jump on the Immersed Discord (if you're not on there already): immersed.com/community And I hope to see you in one of the public rooms sometime soon!!
I had those screens before I ever got a headset or tried Immersed. When I'm working from my home office, all three screens show up in Immersed and I enable a single virtual screen for a total of 4 screens in VR. Whenever I'm working away from my office with only my laptop, I enable three virtual screens for a total of 4 screens in VR. It's nice to have the flexibility! If those screens die, I won't replace them. Some others who work in Immersed have minimal IRL setups. One of the original Immersed early adopters (PTOM) doesn't even have a desk!
Yup! There was a huge difference between the Quest 2 and the Quest Pro, due to the switch from Fresnel lenses to Pancake lenses. The Quest 3 will have Pancake lenses as well so the general expectation is that there will NOT be a huge difference between the Quest Pro and the Quest 3. The major difference will be price (the Quest 3 is expected to have a lower price compared to the Quest Pro). However, the Visor will have 4k per eye! This will be a truly MASSIVE improvement in resolution! This will make the Visor the undisputed leader over all Quest headsets when it comes to text clarity... for now. New hardware is dropping quickly so who knows what the future holds! Exciting times!
Thanks Dave! Do you notice any difference in latency, particularly with more screens or intensive backgrounds? My Quest 2 has gotten hot before after hours in Immersed with 3-4 screens and a virtual environment, and you can definitely tell it's throttling.
Hey there - the lowest latency I ever experienced with my Quest 2 was around 20ms. It usually hovered around 40ms. With the Pro, I've seen it as low as 7ms. It usually hovers around 10ms. It's a small sample size and I've only been using it for about a week, but it seems that the Pro is indeed performing with lower latency. I usually run 4 screens and my Quest 2 has only ever run hot 2 or 3 times over the last year. Each time it ran hot, I restarted the headset and it cooled right down. I've never experienced overheating on a regular basis. So far, my Pro has never overheated.
Thanks for honest review. For me it is too late for Quest 2 or Pro, I have to wait for new launch. I hope we can get good improvements then I would like to disassemble my monitor.
You're welcome! They just dropped the price of the Pro by $400, making it a little more affordable, but keep your eye out for the Quest 3. It will be interesting to see its features and price point!
Thanks for the review, it helped reassure me that I was right to cancel my order for one of these. I had been waiting for the Quest Pro since Meta Connect 2021 and was ready to drop $1000 on it if needs be, but I can't justify the even higher price they came up with when the hardware improvements are so much more minimal than I expected. I also didn't expect a product like the Pico 4 to appear, which offers very similar levels of performance (minus face/eye tracking) while being more than FOUR times cheaper. I think Meta really dropped the ball on this, I can easily imagine more consumer forcused (and priced) devices blowing this out of the water next year, including Meta's own Quest 3. Personally, I'm now going to hang on and see what Valve come up with for their rumoured next headset, but in the meantime I picked up the Pico 4 which feels like a good step up from the Quest 2 thanks to its pancake lenses.
@@Paddy-McNasty That would be tough for me. I don't make any money with this UA-cam channel, don't have any sponsors, etc. Also, as of right now, the Pico 4 is only available in the EU and I'm in the US. However, I will try to get my hands on info to share. One thing you can do is join the Immersed Discord Community. There are several Pico 4 users there who can share their experiences: immersed.com/community
Yeah no the quest 3 will not offer face and eye tracking. It will feature the pancake lenses and a single not double display like the pro. The pico 4 has already proved inferior on lens quality not to mention ecosystem. You seem to forget way worse headsets like the g2 "omnicept" are $1299 but have less features and terrible enterprise apps. This device can game and help you work at the same time ther e is not another wireless or pcvr device that can do the same.
great shirt, super useful information, but your audio is all over the place, sometimes too quiet, then unclear, then just right.. Maybe a clip on mic would help? Not a content creator myself but i've watched a few VR videos and I've noticed the clip on mic ones seem to be the most consistent.
Great video. I’m looking to find a headset to use for work as well. My eyes aren’t great so the text clarity on the Quest 2 was an issue. Still waiting on Apple’s headset, though.
One advantage of VR for folks whose eyes aren't that great, is that you can create MASSIVE screens... like REALLY HUGE. So sheer size can help with text clarity. But, yes... hardware improvements are very important to text clarity. The Quest Pro took a leap forward in text clarity due to the pancake lenses. With the Quest 2, you have to look through the center "sweet spot" in order to get crisp text. You can't swing your eyeballs around... you have to move your whole head. With the Quest Pro's pancake lenses, you can now move your eyeballs around and text is crisp everywhere. So that is a HUGE improvement. However, VR hardware still has a very, very, very long way to go. I look forward to future headsets for sure! Oh... one other thing... if you wear glasses IRL, be sure to get prescription lens inserts for your VR headset, regardless of whatever headset you use. Here is one vendor: www.reloptix.com/ For those who wear glasses, these lens inserts are a complete and total game changer!
Yes! You can use both the Quest 2 and the Quest Pro while lying in bed. Some people have been recovering from injuries or surgeries and needed to work while reclining or laying flat. In the headset, the "ground" is always the "ground", so you can't make the wall be the floor or anything like that. However, with Immersed, you can go into an environment, then reposition the screens to be "up" or "on the ceiling". Then, you can lie in bed, put your keyboard and mouse in your lap and look up at the screens. This is easily done in Immersed!
You can have up to 5 passthrough portal windows, plus your keyboard passthrough. You can even do full-on Augmented Reality and see *everything* in full passthrough, but you'll also see your screens and other avatars. You can position those passthrough portal windows wherever you like.
I hope I can afford this soon. What I am hoping for beyond things like immersed with 2D windows is at some point to start to see serious attempts at rethinking the user interface of an operating system in 3D. For example, despite how efforts in the past have been ridiculed, I still think that there are many possible advantages of different types of 3D representations of file systems. Also, many possibilities for 3D widgets and settings controls, perhaps with haptics.
My pleasure! You're right, VR has been mostly about games and fitness. Other use cases have been gaining traction in recent years, particularly Productivity Apps. Of all the Productivity Apps out there, Immersed is heads and shoulders above the rest! You should give it a try!
Hey there -- I use the cable to keep my headset fully charged all day. Immersed actually uses Wi-Fi only (for now), so the cable doesn't change the lag. It only keeps the headset charged. However, I believe Immersed is working on a solution that would use a cable to reduce lag. I think they're struggling with limitations with Meta. I don't believe Meta has allowed that in the past... not sure. But at any rate, as of now, the cable only keeps the headset powered up - no change in lag.
Why didn't you use Quest 2 without the mask? I find it way better in terms of FOV and clarity. I also have BoboVR head strap, it totally allows to remove the mask and fix the headset the similar to Quest Pro way.
I tried that, but could never get it to sit comfortably without resting on my cheeks. The after-market facial interface I use helps considerably, but I really like the way the Pro "floats" in front of my eyes.
What are the benefits of using Immerse over physical monitors for SW development? Portability - yes, focus - yes. But what else? Just wondering how I can benefit of that setup 😀
Oh gosh... where to start?! 😃 You're right about portability. A laptop and a headset lets you spawn up to 5 screens! You're also absolutely right about focus. When I started with Immersed, I thought the focus stuff was hype. But, it's very similar to using noise-cancelling headphones to block out audio distractions. When you wear the headset, you block out visual distractions. I love to do both headphones and VR. In that way, you might as well be in your own world... so focus is huge! It's amazing how fast you can get into the zone when you have no audio or visual distractions. When you don't need to focus so much (perhaps you're doing lighter work), it's amazing to join the public rooms for co-working. I've made many friends in the Immersed public environments. We work together nearly every day. It's fun to get "watercooler talk", but then we also do a variety of focused work sessions (i.e. the pomodoro technique, and others). Often, working "next to" other people inspires me to do better work. So working "with" people is truly amazing. Also, being able to spawn 5 screens is amazing. You can spread out all the resources you need at a glance on various screens. Being able to glance around to see your code, app, database, reference materials, communications, etc... reduces the cognitive friction versus having to ALT+TAB around to find things. Also, I like making the screens massive... like the size of movie theater screens. That makes it easy on the eyes. Lastly, it's just super fun to be able to work on a space station... or a beach... or a mountain lodge... or a downtown café... or a high-rise conference room... or... or... or... It's just freakin' cool! 😃
@@ScreentubeR Amazing! Be sure to join the Immersed Discord ( immersed.com/community ) where folks like me are there to help you get acclimated to work in VR. Also, I'll encourage you to try out the public rooms. It's really fun to meet and co-work with others!
Nice review. I find the quality of expereince is better in Workrooms. Maybe I should give Immersed another look only used it on Quest 2. I use the Quest Pro every day for work. My home office is small, and I can't accommodate 3 monitors. I do wish it had more resolution, but it's good enough. If Meta would add foveated rendering to work applications that would be a game changer. Major boost in clarity and resolution. It would of easily cost me over $1000 to get 2 matching monitors for my current desk setup. Its portable, and I can use it for games and media consumption. The only other option we might have in the near future is Apple headset. That could be way better. I imagine that will cost a ton of money.
Thanks for watching! Definitely give Immersed another look. They've been iterating quickly and with the Quest Pro, the color passthrough portals are incredible. I love spawning up to 5 huge screens in VR even though my IRL footprint is small. And I also agree about the cost. Yes, it is expensive, but so are IRL monitors. And VR screens are more flexible. I'm also curious to see what Apple brings to the market. Current rumors expect an Apple headset to launch sometime around late 2024 to early 2025.
I've started using the quest 2 for immersed and the first days I couldn't spend more than 45min at a go with them on, but now it's getting much better with around 2hrs in one go. But the fact that I'm used to turn my eyes rather than my head is really getting in my way with the fresnel lens. Due to this I'm thinking of getting the Pico 4 or else go big and get the pro. I'm still deciding if I should risk pico 4 with immersed having a alpha version for it or import a pro to the eu for the cost of 1.8k euros..
Totally... the adjustment on the Quest 2 of always having to turn your head and not being able to move your eyes is brutal. I got used to it over time. However, with the Pro, it's been a huge relief to be able to move my eyes around again. It's a much more natural way of looking around. I've heard great things about the Pico 4 and I know for a fact that Immersed is actively working on a release for the Pico 4. You won't have to wait long to be able to use the Pico 4 in Immersed. In fact, I could probably get you on a group of alpha testers for the Immersed Pico 4 updates. No promises, but let me know if you're interested in that and I can connect you with the appropriate Immersed folks for that. But regardless of manufacturer, pancake lenses are orders of magnitude better than fresnel lenses. 100%!
Great question! I can't answer it from a technical perspective. But generally speaking, the headsets require a lot of power for all the processing needs for all the sensors and compute that is packed into these things. All headsets have very poor battery life - usually 1-2 hours tops, no matter what you're doing in VR. Using the battery is just not practical for all-day productive work in VR, so most of us work tethered. When you're working in Immersed, that's not a problem since you're usually sitting or standing at a desk anyway. in fact, neither the upcoming Immersed Visor nor the Apple Vision Pro will have a battery on board. They are being designed to be tethered or have a tether to a battery pack you wear on your belt.
love this concept of this channel instantly subbed. looking for remote office solutions while studying to be a blockchain dev hopefully meta keeps pumping out the updates and the aftermarket parts start apperaing soon to keep improving the experience
I'm going to take a pop at this. I don't have the space for a decent physical hardware setup. I'm stuck, arched over my laptop coding. So this could potentially improve my posture.
Absolutely! It will definitely help your posture, especially if you can lean back in your chair with your keyboard mounted to your chair. But even if you have your keyboard on a desk, you will be able to look up at giant screens, so it will absolutely help!
It's true. There's no denying that price tag is hard to swallow. I think of it this way... If you're a professional musician, you don't buy a cheap musical instrument. Your instruments are the tools of your trade, so you invest in an expensive instrument. It will help you do your job better. Similarly, as a software developer, my laptop and my screens (in this case, VR screens) are the tools of my trade. So I invest in quality tools (like the Quest Pro) so I can do my job better. 🤑
Honestly, it may be a product of my age. I'm 53 years old, so I was writing code in the late 90's. At that time, the state of the art monitors were 14 inch analog CRT's that were suuuuuper blurry by today's standards. I got used to that because I had no other choice. ("Back in my day... I had to walk to school in the snow... uphill... both ways!" 🤪) The Quest 2 is WAY better than those were, and I worked on them for years with no complaints. So, yes... switching from todays 4k screens IRL to the Quest 2 was a hard transition a couple years ago. You're not wrong that it's pretty awful by comparison. However, even as bad as it is, it's totally readable with comfortable, relaxed eyes. I just had to decide if all the other benefits of working in VR (multiple easily resizable screens, fantastical environments, co-working with people all around the globe, etc.) were worth the sacrifice of that resolution. For me, it was. For others, it's not... and that's totally ok. I'm definitely an early adopter of this tech. If the text clarity of your Quest 2 is truly blurry/bad, then perhaps you need to adjust your IDP settings, brightness/contrast, sizing and positioning of screens, color themes, font size, etc. If you search for terms like "text clarity", "pixel parity", or "resolution" in the Immersed Discord (immersed.com/community), you'll find lots of conversations on these topics with many tips and tricks to help you maximize the clarity with your Quest 2. You can do it... but I'll admit... you gotta want it! The exciting thing is that the new Immersed Visor is set to truly improve text clarity, promising 4k per eye in a much smaller/lighter form factor. That will be game changing! I can't wait!!
@@WorkInVR Thank you for the detailed answer. I ended up watching multiple other videos of yours and think you're doing something really cool here. I'm getting the Quest 3 for entertainment reasons, but if the Immersed text clarity gets a significant jump up from the Q2 on it then I'll be back! Also really hoping the Visor lives up to its promises. I won't be preordering but if reviews are solid I'll definitely pick one up
@@Jdb63 Thanks for the kind words! 😊 I can guarantee the Quest 3 text clarity will be much better than the Quest 2 due to the pancake lenses. With the Quest 2 Fresnel lenses, you have to continually look through the lens "sweet spot" (the area in the center of the concentric circles in the lenses) in order to see crisp text. This forces you to "keep your head on a swivel", but keep your eyes looking forward, always through that sweet spot. That is not a natural way to look at a screen. The pancake lens technology has no such restriction. So, with the Quest Pro (and the Quest 3), you can let your eyes "roam" all around the lenses and wherever you look, text is crisp. That is a much more natural way to look at a screen... just like IRL. That is why, even though the pixel per eye improvement between the Quest 2 and the Quest Pro is not that dramatic, the experience is *wildly* better in the Quest Pro. So you will have that same experience when you move to the Quest 3. When you get your Quest 3, try Immersed again. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the improvement! When you're back in Immersed with your Quest 3, stop by the public rooms some time and say hi! I also hope that the Visor lives up to its promises. I grabbed my Founders Edition within minutes of when they opened it up for pre-orders. I can't wait!
It's possible your IDP wasn't adjusted properly, or maybe you needed prescription inserts. It's hard to tell. You can also work with sizing and positioning of screens in VR as well as font-size and dark themes, to dial in your comfort level. I used my Q2 all day for software development work for almost a year. No problem at all. But it's totally understandable if the resolution/clarity wasn't good enough for you. Many people are tripped up by text clarity struggles. The good news is... with the Quest Pro and the new Quest 3, you have pancake lenses - no sweet spot! So those headsets are muuuuuch better to work with. And, with the upcoming Immersed Visor, we'll have 4k per eye resolution! So the tech continues to improve. Maybe you can try immersed with a more modern headset and see what you think!
There are things you can do to optimize your display to get it to be relaxing on the eyes using the Quest 2. However, the Quest Pro definitely has a noticeable increase in sharpness and clarity.
Yeah, I only use it for productive work so I can't really comment on VR gaming fit. However, (as shown in this video) I wear a ballcap on backwards when wearing my Quest Pro and that helps it to be a snug fit. Also, I assume you know about the tension dial on the back. That can help get a snug (but not too tight) fit.
if youre spending more than 40 mins a day in vr youre currently damaging your eyes. meta will not currently be releasing the data on that. dont say you wernt told. youre welcome.
This is not true. Additionally, a blanket statement like this is not helpful. Let's look at some actual, helpful information... VR AND NORMAL SCREENS HAVE THE SAME RISKS: The main risk for ALL electronics (computer screens and VR) is "Digital Eye Strain" or "Computer Vision Syndrome". This happens when your eyes dry out because you don't blink as much when staring at screens. This is why it is important to blink often and take frequent breaks for ALL screens (normal and VR). Another risk is blue light. Blue light exposure doesn't damage your eyes, but it can interrupt your sleep cycles. Both normal screens and VR have blue light filtering to help with this. So again... no difference between normal screens and VR. It is true that the old VR Fresnel lenses required you to look through a VR lens "sweet spot". This required you to move your eyes less and move your head more. However, the pancake lenses in the new Quest Pro eliminate that. You can now look anywhere in VR lenses with perfect clarity. Just like real life. IN MANY WAYS, VR IS ACTUALLY BETTER FOR YOUR VISION: In real life, it's easier to focus on an object 20 feet away, than it is to focus on an object 2 feet away. This is because focusing on more distant objects allows you to relax your "eye accommodation". In VR, you are focusing on objects much farther away than normal screens, so it is more relaxing on your eyes. In VR, your eyes can DIverge more (be more parallel). When you look at a normal screen, your eyes must CONverge more (go more cross-eyed) to focus. So your overall "eye vergence" is more relaxed in VR. Long term, this reduces eye strain. VR can also be helpful for users who have existing eye damage or low vision. They can make screens truly giant (like the size of IMAX movie theater screens) to see them better. Additionally, VR can actually help people who have a lazy eye to help strengthen their weak eye. If you want detailed research and analysis about the effects of VR on your eyes from an Optometrist, look at the videos on "Dr. Eye Guy's" UA-cam channel: ua-cam.com/users/DrEyeGuy TL;DR: VR is actually easier on the eyes than real world screens. Take breaks, blink often, and you'll be just fine.
@@WorkInVR ive been teaching VR since the DK1 (google that if you dont know what that is). After EXTENSIVE on the job EXPERIENCE for 7 years im telling you that data is gong to be proved wrong in about a year from now. putting any screen that far from your eyes for any longer than 40 mins is actually about as insane as it sounds. headaches happen for a reason.Listen to your own body not gathered " current data" to suit your argument.
@@PolytronikDigital Fair enough. I appreciate your opinions. VR does not give me headaches. I regularly co-work with people who have been using VR full-time (all day, every day) since mid-2018. I've been using it full time (all day, every day) for over a year now. None of us have had any negative effects on our eyes or bodies by using this technology. This sounds suspiciously like the people in the 1990's who claimed that putting a cell phone next to your head will give you brain cancer. I suppose time will tell and you may be right. You may tell me "I told you so" someday. I appreciate your warning because I'm sure you're honestly trying to help people, and that's great. But for now, I'll trust my own experience as well as the experience of many other VR early adopters / heaver users. I'll also trust optometrists who have studied this and tell me there is no significantly different risk between VR screens and other screens.
As several others said, there is almost no VR content focused on work-related use. Finally someone started posting videos on this!
You're right about the focus aspect of VR, it is definitely easier to get in the zone when there are less visual distractions.
Another aspect that is unique to VR is the sense of scale. When I'm immersed in Google Earth, for instance, I find it so much easier to make decisions about modeling a 3d building compared to simply looking at reference images. When it comes to designing large props or environments, there's no contest-VR takes the experience to another level.
Thanks so much for the informative videos and keep up the fantastic work!
Awesome!! I totally agree! Thanks for the encouragement regarding my videos. I hope to make more - most likely starting up again in June. IRL is a bit crazy at the moment and I haven't had time. But I'm glad you like what I have out there and I'll make more videos soon!
That text explanation was precisely what I was looking for. Thank you! 👏
Awesome! I'm so glad you found that helpful! ❤
So happy for ya that you finally have a pro-grade headset like this for working in VR! 🌟
Thanks so much!! I love it!!
thanks for uploading this! ive been watching a ton of videos about VR just for the purpose of working in a virtual environment with a multiple monitor setup on the go. just one question how's the resolution? is it a lot of difference between these two?
The resolution is not as good as 4k monitors IRL for sure. However, the resolution is totally good enough to work. You can experiment with screen size and position in VR to achieve clean, crisp text that is completely workable. But you will definitely lose some resolution compared to IRL. The VR hardware just isn't there yet.
Thanks Dave ! Much love and I hope that god blesses you with an awesome day, too ! :)
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The content is awesome! I remember talking to you once very late in the evening (on finnish time), and received so many tips. I feel like I know a celebrity! Keep on going Dave!!
🤣 Awesome! Glad I was able to help you! ❤️ Hopefully I'll see you in the public Cafe sometime soon!
Excellent video! It’s really hard to find a true unbiased UA-cam review on the Quest Pro.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you found this helpful!
Thank you for sharing your experience with the two headsets. I am really looking forward to trying both out!
You bet! Enjoy! The tech is still in its infancy, but this is cool stuff!!
This was a really great video and review! I appreciated how you were balanced in your final recommendation and weren't very biased either way.
Thank you so much!!! ❤😊
Nice review!! I was looking for this. You think that you will do the same test for the vive XR lite when it's aviable?. I want this feature, but the quest pro it's way too expensive. maybe the XR vive its the same result (without face tracking) at more cheeper price
Hi there! Sadly, I don't get paid for any of this, so I probably won't do a test for the vive XR simply because I can't afford to keep buying headsets! 😆 However, I'm super excited about all the new hardware coming out and being developed. It's only going to get better/cheaper as time goes on! The Quest Pro already had a $400 price drop!
really nice video comparison. Isn't latency an issue? I've been using the xreal beam and it's fine cabled, but miracast is super laggy. What's immersed like?
Latency is almost never an issue for me. Sometimes it crops up a little, especially if I'm pushing the system with all 5 available screens while in an active, public environment with lots of other people/avatars all around, moving and talking. For those instances, Immersed offers WiFi-Direct and USB-Wired options, both of which help with latency. I also use the "VR Mouse" to reduce the perception of latency. But usually, the standard wifi connection is sufficient with latency being low enough such that it doesn't matter. However, keep in mind the primary use-case... this is for productive work in VR. i.e. coding or using Excel or whatever. If you're trying to do high-performance gaming or something like that, the latency will be unacceptable for sure. But for normal productive work, I usually don't notice the latency at all.
@@WorkInVR that's great to know. Do you know technicallyh how it works? I don't imagine it's wifi direct. I was expecting that we'd only see low latency (for video) with wifi 7 now that they opened up new a range of new frequency bands to support higher throughput.
I'm really curious about this and how you'd use this type of solution without a wifi router.
@@cameroncameron6800 I don't know technically how Wi-Fi Direct works, but my general understanding is that it eliminates a network/router hop. So, normally, when your laptop and headset are connected to your Wi-Fi, the screen data is streamed from your laptop, through your local Wi-Fi network and into the headset. This is similar to how a Chromecast works. Using Wi-Fi direct, you turn your laptop into a mobile hotspot. Then, you change your headset Wi-Fi connection settings so your headset connects *directly* to your laptop. In this manner, the screen data is streamed directly to the headset without having to travel through your Wi-Fi network, thereby making it faster. I hope that helps! You can see some how-to articles here: medium.com/immersedteam/wi-fi-direct-8ec23c74fdab and here: medium.com/immersedteam/immersed-wifi-direct-for-windows-9b31a3e4c421
@WorkInVR I've been doing some reading and watching your videos. It's not entirely clear how it would work, as I'd expect wifi direct to disable internet unless cabled. However I think it's also worth mentioning to viewers of your channel that wifi direct would give people the ability to use immersed outside of a routered environment e.g. Park, train, Cafe or parked car. This is interesting to maybe share with your viewers if this is the case as many don't know this. Many also think that technology isn't at the point where latency isn't an issue. It certainly is news to me.
@@cameroncameron6800 Great thoughts! I'll have to run some experiments with Wi-Fi Direct (i.e. no internet, cabled internet, Wi-Fi internet). However, I believe that, with a Wi-Fi Direct connection, you have the connection to your screens, regardless of whether you have internet coming to your laptop. Immersed also offers USB Tethering. This works on a similar principal to Wi-Fi Direct. With USB Tethering, your screens are being streamed through the cable so it's lower latency. I just did an experiment... while connected via USB Tethering, I turned off my laptop's Wi-Fi completely. I lost internet (obviously), but Immersed continued to stream my screens. So yes... your use case of using Immersed outside of a routered environment (i.e. park, train, cafe, parked car, etc.) will work... 100%. This could be useful if you want to do work on your laptop with your screens in Immersed, but don't have internet. Wi-Fi Direct *should* work the same way, but I haven't tried it. I'll have to try that and do a video about it! 😁 Here is some more info about USB Tethering in case you haven't seen it: immersed.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/14823473330957-USB-C-Mode-BETA
Good video, thanks. Why do you use Immersed vs other similar productivity (ie virtual screens) apps? I assume you have tried the others?
Truthfully, I haven't really spent any time with other VR productivity apps. There are a LOT of people on UA-cam, Twitter, Medium, and in various Facebook and LinkedIn groups who regularly use many other VR productivity apps. The overwhelming consensus is that Immersed is by far, the best app in the space. So I really just spend my time in Immersed. However, if you want to learn more about other VR productivity apps, check out Rick Casteel's "Personal Productivity Using VR" article here: medium.com/xr4work/personal-productivity-using-virtual-reality-83ab4e0ff9bb Rick is the curator of the XR4work Community on Facebook: facebook.com/groups/728743764390787
Are you considering to do a similar video comparing with Q3?
Absolutely! I'm still gathering information but I hope to start filming it in a week or two! I know that is not super timely, but I want to really "live" with the Q3 for a while before sharing my thoughts.
You think it's possible for the quest pro to replace a laptop. So far, from what I've seen it pretty much requires a computer to pair to. Is there any way to use something like immerse and pair with a phone or just work on it stand alone?
Some people do use the Quest Pro as a laptop replacement. But that only works if you can do ALL your work in browsers. The Quest Home environment allows you to spawn up to three browser windows, so if ALL your work can be done online, you don't need a laptop! Using a headset for other (non-browser) apps is definitely coming. This is commonly called PCVR. However, it is still a ways off. Most of us need native apps. To use native apps today you need something like Immersed, vSpatial, or Horizon Workrooms. Currently, I do not know of any way to pair directly with a phone. However, Immersed does allow you to mirror your phone as an independent screen. I have a video about this here: ua-cam.com/video/H5F_RMPy_MU/v-deo.html
Excellent. I have one for working and agree with others that your doing this video is appreciated.
Thank you so much!!
Thanks so much for this review. Stupid question, but if you are using Horizon Workrooms is the increase in text clarity just as noticeable when using the Pro as opposed to the quest 2?
Hi there!
Certainly not a stupid question!
TL;DR: Yes!
Details: I actually don't know, because I haven't used Workrooms yet. However, from what I've heard, the experience/improvement is the same between Immersed and Workrooms... so yes, there is a noticeable text clarity difference. Let me explain why... To be clear, the increase in resolution is technically NOT significantly better (when you look at the specs). Yes, there are more pixels per inch with the Pro, but they are spread over a wider field of view (a good thing), so technically, it is only a small increase in resolution... it's not dramatic. However, the biggest thing that makes it FEEL like a dramatic improvement are the pancake lenses. With the Fresnel lenses in the Quest 2, the only truly sharp text is that which is viewed through the exact center (or "sweet spot") of the lenses. So if your eyes are looking even slightly outside the exact center of the lenses on the Quest 2, the text will be slightly blurry. The further outside the sweet spot you look, the more blurry the text will be. However, with the pancake lenses of the Quest Pro, anywhere you look on the lenses, the text will be equally sharp. Since it is literally impossible to always keep your eyeballs focused through the exact center of the Fresnel lenses of the Quest 2, you always pick up some of that blurriness. With the Quest Pro, the pancake lenses make that "sweet spot" issue go away completely. So on a very real, practical level, the text is sharper with the Pro. That is the reason why the Pro FEELS so much more crisp even though the pixels per inch of visible FOV is not dramatically higher. So this effect is present no matter what app you're using; be it Immersed or Workrooms.
Thank you so much for your detailed reply! It's genuinely very interesting to see that, despite a slight reduction in resolution from the Quest 2 (Pro = 1800 x 1920 per eye & Quest 2 = 1832 x 1920 per eye) those pancake lenses make all the difference. I know what you mean regarding the centred 'sweet spot' on the Quest 2. I think I'll pick up a Pro in the new year, looking forward to trying it out. Subbed and please keep up the great informative videos - much appreciated! 😀
Will you make a quest 3 video? I just bought the quest 2 out of necessity because I currently travel a lot and can’t take a big monitor with me but the clarity of the quest 2 is very bad.
I thought about buying the quest pro but with the quest 3 around the corner I’m not to sure about it. I want to stick to the quest 2 until it’s clear how good the screens of the quest 3 are with the better resolution and the better lenses.
I would really appreciate your point of view on this.
Also the quest 3 would be cheaper new than a used quest pro…
Hi there! A lot of people are waiting for the Quest 3. The largest advantage of the Quest Pro over the Quest 2 is the pancake lenses. This makes a world of difference when it comes to text clarity! The Quest 3 will have pancake lenses. So, honestly, you're probably good to wait for the Quest 3. It will save you some money. However, Immersed just announced the Visor: www.visor.com/ We don't have pricing or a release date yet, but that will have 4k per eye resolution! That is unprecedented and will be amazing for text clarity. So get on the waitlist for the Visor and be sure to check that out!
@@WorkInVR thanks for the reply. I’m on the visor waitlist, but since I’m from Europe I assume I’ll have to wait even longer and I need something now. I’ll stick with the quest 2 and upgrade to the 3 asap.
The best video for the quest pro. You are the only one who have answered our main question. Thansk for the video.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you found this video helpful! ❤
@@WorkInVR thanks to you too. I plan to go into coding and I also so 3D designs and I've been looking for hot to cut off distractions and work for hours. I feel the meta quest pro is the answer but I needed someone who uses it to code atleast to tell him his/her experience.
My greatest fear is not seeing the text very clearly based on the resolution.
@@steveokocha9860 Yeah... some people really can't stand the text resolution. It is less crisp than in real life, make no mistake. However, it is absolutely usable. You can play with screen size and resolution to maximize the readability. I can tell you from first hand experience (as I'm typing this from the Immersed "Space Lounge" right now), it is totally usable.
@@WorkInVR thanks so much. I will get the pro.
@@steveokocha9860 Awesome! Congrats! Be sure to join the Immersed Discord Community here: immersed.com/community There are tons of people there to answer questions and help you optimize your set up!
Hey, Can I connect the meta quest pro to work on my business laptop i5-10210U 16GB RAM? I want to use Immersed.
I'm not sure if there are specific hardware minimums for Immersed. I'm sure they would be able to answer that question on the Immersed Discord: immersed.com/community However, I would guess those specs would work just fine. If you can get your hands on a headset (even if you borrow one) it will be easy to test since Immersed is free. Give it a try!
Thanks for the video! When turning passthrough portals on, what I found to be annoying was the dancing sharp white edges on the virtual monitors. Are you getting the same thing? I think I see it in your video. hmm maybe not on the quest pro?
There are two things at play here... if you're talking about the white "outline" around passthrough windows, you can hide that by disabling your hands. You may already know this, but to disable your hands, looking at your palm and touch your thumb to your ring finger. When you do this, you'll see your hands change color. When your hands are disabled, if you look at your palm, then the back of your hand, and back... your hands will be gray. When your hands are enabled, your hands will look gray when you're looking at your palm, but when you look at the back of your hand, you'll see that your hand is brightly colored (the actual color depends on your theme) and you'll see the laser emitting from your palm (like Iron Man shooting something 😆). But, when your hands are DISabled, you will not see the portal outlines, nor will you be able to move them or your screens. However... I realize you may not be referring to that. If you're talking about the very edge of your screens, then yes, sometimes there are "artifacts". It makes the very edge of your screen look like there is a single pixel thick shiny, shimmery white border. That is something that is mostly out of Immersed's control (due to technical reasons I don't understand). However, you can minimize this effect by adjusting the "Supersampling" slider setting. If you dial up the supersampling slider, the shimmery effect will lessen, but your text will start to become blurry. The trick is to balance that setting such that the shimmery effect is reduced, but you still have sharp text clarity. I think I have mine set at 0.3. But to my knowledge, the only way to completely remove the shimmery artifacts is to push that slider all the way up. That will remove the artifacts, but the text will be way too blurry. So it's a balance.
@@WorkInVR Thanks so much for your reply! Yes I'm talking about the very edges of the screens. I spoke with the support team on discord. If you turn off passthrough, those edges go away. I'm not 100% sure what the issues is. If you use workrooms, those edges don't exist. but the features of immersed are so much better than work rooms. I ordered the quest pro when the prices dropped and it arrived today! I have yet to try immersed. Excited to try it. Has anyone ever said to you that you look EXACTLY like Wes Chatham from the tv show " The Expanse"? Thanks for your help!
@@jaimeaguirre4424 Ah! Yes! I forgot that the artifacts go away when passthrough is turned off. I always sit in a passthrough "disc" so I can swivel in my chair, yet still look down to see my keyboard (you can see this technique here: ua-cam.com/video/I9EZQ7I9mQ0/v-deo.html ). So cool that you're getting your Pro. Looking around in the pro is so much more natural than the Quest 2 due to the pancake lenses. You no longer have to keep your eyes centered on the lens sweet spot. Your eyes can flit and roam around the screen in VR, just like you would IRL and everything is still clear and sharp. You should pop into the public rooms in Immersed and say hi! 👋 And, really... you shouldn't insult Wes Chatham by saying I look like him! 🤣 I absolutely LOVE the Expanse. We talk about it in Immersed all the time. And Amos was hands-down my favorite character in that show. Such a complex and interesting character - he was fascinating! Wes Chatham's performance was inspiring... best in the show if you ask me!
What resolution do you run your screens at when in VR? I’m used to a large 4k at 100% to maximize screen realestate. I tried working in VR a couple of years ago when I got my Valve Index but the resolution was simply too low to be productive, however, I love the idea of pinning my windows all over and running unique backgrounds.
Hi there! My current set up of choice has 4-screens. First, there is my laptop. I'm running a Windows Surface Laptop 3. It's default settings IRL are: resolution = 2496 x 1664, scale = 150%. When in Immersed, I leave the resolution alone, but change the scale to 125%. This gives me more real estate to play with, while still keeping things comfortably readable. This is a slightly square-ish resolution and I use this as my primary (center) screen. Then, IRL, I have two external monitors. They're both set to their defaults of 1920 x 1080. I put those to the left and right of my primary screen. So those three screens IRL just flow into Immersed. No problem. Finally, since I often use a terminal window for my work, I enable a single virtual screen in Immersed, set its resolution super small (1280 x 720) and pin that screen above, and to the left of my three main screens. For me, this is the most natural/comfortable. No, this is not 4k, but I really like this set up and there is lots of screen real estate. You *can* bring in higher resolutions with the IDD drivers for Windows ( github.com/roshkins/IddSampleDriver ) or the BetterDisplay drivers for Mac ( github.com/waydabber/BetterDisplay ). In fact, I once experimented with a "double-double-wide" screen in Windows using the IDD driver (5760 x 2160), so this single screen could push SIX standard 1920 x 1080 screens (three on top, and three on the bottom). However, I had to make the screen so huge in VR that it was fairly unwieldy. Additionally, pushing that many pixels created a bit of annoying lag. It wasn't unusable, but it wasn't ideal either. By the way, I'll be making a video about that topic soon so keep an eye out for that. With my ideal setup (described above), I fall right into productive flow every day. I love it! But one of the best things about Immersed is that you can play/tweak/customize your screens until your heart's content. There are many, many of us who use Immersed all day, every day, and I would venture to say that every single one of our set up's are different. That's the real power of Immersed... you can truly dial in what works for you. Screens in VR are NOT 4k. They just haven't been able to pack that many pixels into the hardware yet. It's coming... but it's not there yet. So if you *must* have that kind of resolution, then VR isn't ready for you yet. However, I spent most of my career on screens that were far lower resolutions than 4k and they worked just fine. I know it's hard to "step back" from ultra-high resolutions. I totally get that. But you *can* do it. The resolutions are good enough to work comfortably. It really comes down to preference. Give it a try some time. Like... a really good, hard college try. I think you'll find that you *can* learn to live with VR resolutions. Before you know it, you won't even think about it anymore... as you work from a space station orbiting the Earth... with co-workers (avatars) from all around the globe... with 5 screens the size of IMAX movie theater screens... 😁
Thanks for the review. But what do you use it for? Other than developing it? I'm trying to understand the use case for this, but falling short.
I use Immersed for work. Yes, you can see in my video that I have IRL monitors, but I prefer working in Immersed. Inside Immersed I can have up to 5 screens, focus better, enjoy fun fantastical environments, co-work with other people, etc. The only other things I personally do with my headset is watch Netflix or Amazon Prime when I'm exercising on a stationary bike, and I occasionally play Walkabout Mini Golf with friends from Immersed. The primary use case is for work.
Watching this video again and it looks like you're able to lock your passthrough portals in immersed. I don't see any option to lock these. What are you doing to achieve it? Every time I go to grab my coffee, I'm seeing the white outline of the portal.
You are correct. Immersed updated the software to remove the "pinning" concept. So you can no longer pin your screens and passthrough windows in place. The solution to this is to disable your hands by looking at your palm and touching your thumb to your ring finger. When you do this, you'll see your hands change color. When your hands are disabled, if you look at your palm, then the back of your hand, and back... your hands will be gray. When your hands are enabled, your hands will look gray when you're looking at your palm, but when you look at the back of your hand, you'll see that your hand is brightly colored (the actual color depends on your theme) and you'll see the laser emitting from your palm (like Iron Man shooting something 😆). But, when your hands are DISabled, you will not see the portal outlines, nor will you be able to move them or your screens. So the solution is to enable your hands, get everything set up just the way you want them, then disable your hands. Now, when you move around, you won't accidentally move things.
Thanks!
Hey, really useful video, thanks! Quick question, what connection do you use to your laptop when using immersed? How do you find mouse lag?
Hi there! Immersed works by installing a small "agent" software on your laptop. Then you install the Immersed app in your headset. Provided the laptop and headset are connected to the same wi-fi network, they will talk to each other over wi-fi. Immersed actually has "wi-fi direct" as a way to effectively remove latency altogether: ua-cam.com/video/qy_WsQ64DEU/v-deo.html On my normal screens, I don't experience any perceptible latency so I don't bother with wi-fi direct. However, wi-fi direct has helped other users who were experiencing lag. Generally speaking, the more pixels you're pushing (i.e. streaming to the headset), the larger the lag will be. So if you're running 5 screens and you have drivers that allow them to push unusually large resolutions, you may indeed experience more lag simply because the data streaming to the headset is vastly larger. But, with "normal" resolutions (i.e. 1980 x 1020), you probably won't notice any perceptible lag. Immersed also has a "VR Cursor" which has absolutely no lag, even if your screen mouse has a small amount of perceptible lag, so you can experiment with that as well.
@@WorkInVR thanks so much for that advice. I'm debating the pro at the moment, as currently got the Q2, and the sharpness and passthrough just isn't doing it for me. You've been very helpful in my research :)
@@rikkinewman8515 The color passthrough on the Quest Pro is not perfect - it's still lower resolution than I would like. However, it IS better than the Quest 2 and the color is awesome. With the Quest Pro I can actually read the labels on the keys of my keyboard. Passthrough on the Quest 2 is helpful for "gross key location", but you definitely can't read the labels. So the Quest Pro is definitely better... but not perfect. I personally think that the real value of the Quest Pro comes from EXTENDED use. So, if you use the headset A LOT, then it's really worth it. If you're a casual user, then you're probably better off saving the money and sticking with the Quest 2 or waiting until the Quest 3 comes out. Current rumors suggest that the Quest 3 will be out sometime in late 2023. It will be cheaper than the Pro, but it will have better resolution and color passthrough just like the Pro.
This is a great video comparison. Thank you Dave!
You bet!! Thanks, Miguel!!!
After having worked so much time with the Quest2 and now the Pro, have you noticed much battery degradation over time, more so with the Quest 2 as the Pro is still new. Do you use any battery management techniques like never charging to 100% etc?
Hi there -- Since I use the headset for work, I'm either sitting or standing at my desk whenever I use it. So I purchased this 10' USB-C charging cable: amazon.com/dp/B08YYHCCBC I just leave the headset tethered all the time, so my battery is always at 100%. So, unfortunately, I'm not sure about battery degradation over time since I never use the battery! 🙂 If you're in a sitting or standing configuration at a desk and you use the Oculus stationary guardian, you don't even notice that the cable is there. It's nice to not have to worry about power!
Thank you for this video! I just ordered a Quest Pro because of it.
Awesome! You'll love it!! If you haven't tried Immersed, be sure to give it a try. Definitely jump on the Immersed Discord (if you're not on there already): immersed.com/community And I hope to see you in one of the public rooms sometime soon!!
Just curious, why do you need immersed when you already have 3 physical monitors?
I had those screens before I ever got a headset or tried Immersed. When I'm working from my home office, all three screens show up in Immersed and I enable a single virtual screen for a total of 4 screens in VR. Whenever I'm working away from my office with only my laptop, I enable three virtual screens for a total of 4 screens in VR. It's nice to have the flexibility! If those screens die, I won't replace them. Some others who work in Immersed have minimal IRL setups. One of the original Immersed early adopters (PTOM) doesn't even have a desk!
So I guess now we need to see how immersed runs on quest pro vs quest 3, before the actual visor comes out.
Yup! There was a huge difference between the Quest 2 and the Quest Pro, due to the switch from Fresnel lenses to Pancake lenses. The Quest 3 will have Pancake lenses as well so the general expectation is that there will NOT be a huge difference between the Quest Pro and the Quest 3. The major difference will be price (the Quest 3 is expected to have a lower price compared to the Quest Pro). However, the Visor will have 4k per eye! This will be a truly MASSIVE improvement in resolution! This will make the Visor the undisputed leader over all Quest headsets when it comes to text clarity... for now. New hardware is dropping quickly so who knows what the future holds! Exciting times!
Thanks Dave! Do you notice any difference in latency, particularly with more screens or intensive backgrounds? My Quest 2 has gotten hot before after hours in Immersed with 3-4 screens and a virtual environment, and you can definitely tell it's throttling.
Hey there - the lowest latency I ever experienced with my Quest 2 was around 20ms. It usually hovered around 40ms. With the Pro, I've seen it as low as 7ms. It usually hovers around 10ms. It's a small sample size and I've only been using it for about a week, but it seems that the Pro is indeed performing with lower latency. I usually run 4 screens and my Quest 2 has only ever run hot 2 or 3 times over the last year. Each time it ran hot, I restarted the headset and it cooled right down. I've never experienced overheating on a regular basis. So far, my Pro has never overheated.
@@WorkInVR I started using the USB connection from my mac to Q2, with a latency of 1-3ms.
Give that a try if you have not already.
Thanks for honest review. For me it is too late for Quest 2 or Pro, I have to wait for new launch. I hope we can get good improvements then I would like to disassemble my monitor.
You're welcome! They just dropped the price of the Pro by $400, making it a little more affordable, but keep your eye out for the Quest 3. It will be interesting to see its features and price point!
Thanks for the review, it helped reassure me that I was right to cancel my order for one of these. I had been waiting for the Quest Pro since Meta Connect 2021 and was ready to drop $1000 on it if needs be, but I can't justify the even higher price they came up with when the hardware improvements are so much more minimal than I expected. I also didn't expect a product like the Pico 4 to appear, which offers very similar levels of performance (minus face/eye tracking) while being more than FOUR times cheaper. I think Meta really dropped the ball on this, I can easily imagine more consumer forcused (and priced) devices blowing this out of the water next year, including Meta's own Quest 3. Personally, I'm now going to hang on and see what Valve come up with for their rumoured next headset, but in the meantime I picked up the Pico 4 which feels like a good step up from the Quest 2 thanks to its pancake lenses.
Great points, all! I love my Pro, but I totally understand that many will find it too expensive.
@@WorkInVR would love to see a review of the pico neo 4 too if you can get your hands on one
@@Paddy-McNasty That would be tough for me. I don't make any money with this UA-cam channel, don't have any sponsors, etc. Also, as of right now, the Pico 4 is only available in the EU and I'm in the US. However, I will try to get my hands on info to share. One thing you can do is join the Immersed Discord Community. There are several Pico 4 users there who can share their experiences: immersed.com/community
Yeah no the quest 3 will not offer face and eye tracking. It will feature the pancake lenses and a single not double display like the pro. The pico 4 has already proved inferior on lens quality not to mention ecosystem. You seem to forget way worse headsets like the g2 "omnicept" are $1299 but have less features and terrible enterprise apps. This device can game and help you work at the same time ther e is not another wireless or pcvr device that can do the same.
great shirt, super useful information, but your audio is all over the place, sometimes too quiet, then unclear, then just right.. Maybe a clip on mic would help? Not a content creator myself but i've watched a few VR videos and I've noticed the clip on mic ones seem to be the most consistent.
Great feedback. Yeah, I really have to get this dialed in. I'm learning and will get better for sure.
Great video. I’m looking to find a headset to use for work as well. My eyes aren’t great so the text clarity on the Quest 2 was an issue. Still waiting on Apple’s headset, though.
One advantage of VR for folks whose eyes aren't that great, is that you can create MASSIVE screens... like REALLY HUGE. So sheer size can help with text clarity. But, yes... hardware improvements are very important to text clarity. The Quest Pro took a leap forward in text clarity due to the pancake lenses. With the Quest 2, you have to look through the center "sweet spot" in order to get crisp text. You can't swing your eyeballs around... you have to move your whole head. With the Quest Pro's pancake lenses, you can now move your eyeballs around and text is crisp everywhere. So that is a HUGE improvement. However, VR hardware still has a very, very, very long way to go. I look forward to future headsets for sure! Oh... one other thing... if you wear glasses IRL, be sure to get prescription lens inserts for your VR headset, regardless of whatever headset you use. Here is one vendor: www.reloptix.com/ For those who wear glasses, these lens inserts are a complete and total game changer!
Is it possible to use either of them while laying down on the bed?
Yes! You can use both the Quest 2 and the Quest Pro while lying in bed. Some people have been recovering from injuries or surgeries and needed to work while reclining or laying flat. In the headset, the "ground" is always the "ground", so you can't make the wall be the floor or anything like that. However, with Immersed, you can go into an environment, then reposition the screens to be "up" or "on the ceiling". Then, you can lie in bed, put your keyboard and mouse in your lap and look up at the screens. This is easily done in Immersed!
@@WorkInVR thank you for the quick reply and for the excellent content!
how many physical items can you pass through?
You can have up to 5 passthrough portal windows, plus your keyboard passthrough. You can even do full-on Augmented Reality and see *everything* in full passthrough, but you'll also see your screens and other avatars. You can position those passthrough portal windows wherever you like.
I totaly agree with your review. The price, in my opinion, is well justfied if one plans to use it for work.
Thanks! Totally... The fact that I use this thing all day everyday, makes the price tag easier to deal with.
I hope I can afford this soon. What I am hoping for beyond things like immersed with 2D windows is at some point to start to see serious attempts at rethinking the user interface of an operating system in 3D. For example, despite how efforts in the past have been ridiculed, I still think that there are many possible advantages of different types of 3D representations of file systems. Also, many possibilities for 3D widgets and settings controls, perhaps with haptics.
Amazing! I love this! The future of this tech is so exciting!
Thanks for doing this. Been sitting on the sidelines until I could use VR for productivity. Not very much content on it
My pleasure! You're right, VR has been mostly about games and fitness. Other use cases have been gaining traction in recent years, particularly Productivity Apps. Of all the Productivity Apps out there, Immersed is heads and shoulders above the rest! You should give it a try!
Do you notice the lag when you use it with the cable ?
Hey there -- I use the cable to keep my headset fully charged all day. Immersed actually uses Wi-Fi only (for now), so the cable doesn't change the lag. It only keeps the headset charged. However, I believe Immersed is working on a solution that would use a cable to reduce lag. I think they're struggling with limitations with Meta. I don't believe Meta has allowed that in the past... not sure. But at any rate, as of now, the cable only keeps the headset powered up - no change in lag.
@@WorkInVR interesting I didn't know that. Thank you👌
@@olivierduchet1758 You bet! 👍
Why didn't you use Quest 2 without the mask? I find it way better in terms of FOV and clarity. I also have BoboVR head strap, it totally allows to remove the mask and fix the headset the similar to Quest Pro way.
I tried that, but could never get it to sit comfortably without resting on my cheeks. The after-market facial interface I use helps considerably, but I really like the way the Pro "floats" in front of my eyes.
@@WorkInVR Absolutely. I wasn't surprised they came up with this solution, totally expected that :)
What are the benefits of using Immerse over physical monitors for SW development? Portability - yes, focus - yes. But what else? Just wondering how I can benefit of that setup 😀
Oh gosh... where to start?! 😃 You're right about portability. A laptop and a headset lets you spawn up to 5 screens! You're also absolutely right about focus. When I started with Immersed, I thought the focus stuff was hype. But, it's very similar to using noise-cancelling headphones to block out audio distractions. When you wear the headset, you block out visual distractions. I love to do both headphones and VR. In that way, you might as well be in your own world... so focus is huge! It's amazing how fast you can get into the zone when you have no audio or visual distractions. When you don't need to focus so much (perhaps you're doing lighter work), it's amazing to join the public rooms for co-working. I've made many friends in the Immersed public environments. We work together nearly every day. It's fun to get "watercooler talk", but then we also do a variety of focused work sessions (i.e. the pomodoro technique, and others). Often, working "next to" other people inspires me to do better work. So working "with" people is truly amazing. Also, being able to spawn 5 screens is amazing. You can spread out all the resources you need at a glance on various screens. Being able to glance around to see your code, app, database, reference materials, communications, etc... reduces the cognitive friction versus having to ALT+TAB around to find things. Also, I like making the screens massive... like the size of movie theater screens. That makes it easy on the eyes. Lastly, it's just super fun to be able to work on a space station... or a beach... or a mountain lodge... or a downtown café... or a high-rise conference room... or... or... or... It's just freakin' cool! 😃
@@WorkInVRThanks for inspirational answer! Immersed app is the main selling point for me to own the Quest Pro, gonna give it a try :)
@@ScreentubeR Amazing! Be sure to join the Immersed Discord ( immersed.com/community ) where folks like me are there to help you get acclimated to work in VR. Also, I'll encourage you to try out the public rooms. It's really fun to meet and co-work with others!
@@ScreentubeRHow was your experience? Are you still using it?
If you got an led rgb keyboard, it would probably be a lot easier to make out the keys in passthrough
Awesome suggestion! I've never tried that - great idea!
Nice review. I find the quality of expereince is better in Workrooms. Maybe I should give Immersed another look only used it on Quest 2. I use the Quest Pro every day for work. My home office is small, and I can't accommodate 3 monitors. I do wish it had more resolution, but it's good enough. If Meta would add foveated rendering to work applications that would be a game changer. Major boost in clarity and resolution. It would of easily cost me over $1000 to get 2 matching monitors for my current desk setup. Its portable, and I can use it for games and media consumption. The only other option we might have in the near future is Apple headset. That could be way better. I imagine that will cost a ton of money.
Thanks for watching! Definitely give Immersed another look. They've been iterating quickly and with the Quest Pro, the color passthrough portals are incredible. I love spawning up to 5 huge screens in VR even though my IRL footprint is small. And I also agree about the cost. Yes, it is expensive, but so are IRL monitors. And VR screens are more flexible. I'm also curious to see what Apple brings to the market. Current rumors expect an Apple headset to launch sometime around late 2024 to early 2025.
Just here to tell you that you predicted it.
@@oluwatobionasanya5124 Thanks, Im glad the prediction came true. I can't wait to try out the Vision Pro. It seems to be everything I hoped for.
@@BS-we7xpThe Immerse Visor looks to be another contender if it lives up to what's promised!
I've started using the quest 2 for immersed and the first days I couldn't spend more than 45min at a go with them on, but now it's getting much better with around 2hrs in one go. But the fact that I'm used to turn my eyes rather than my head is really getting in my way with the fresnel lens. Due to this I'm thinking of getting the Pico 4 or else go big and get the pro. I'm still deciding if I should risk pico 4 with immersed having a alpha version for it or import a pro to the eu for the cost of 1.8k euros..
Totally... the adjustment on the Quest 2 of always having to turn your head and not being able to move your eyes is brutal. I got used to it over time. However, with the Pro, it's been a huge relief to be able to move my eyes around again. It's a much more natural way of looking around. I've heard great things about the Pico 4 and I know for a fact that Immersed is actively working on a release for the Pico 4. You won't have to wait long to be able to use the Pico 4 in Immersed. In fact, I could probably get you on a group of alpha testers for the Immersed Pico 4 updates. No promises, but let me know if you're interested in that and I can connect you with the appropriate Immersed folks for that. But regardless of manufacturer, pancake lenses are orders of magnitude better than fresnel lenses. 100%!
Why does the battery suck so much if there's all that space at the back for a battery
Great question! I can't answer it from a technical perspective. But generally speaking, the headsets require a lot of power for all the processing needs for all the sensors and compute that is packed into these things. All headsets have very poor battery life - usually 1-2 hours tops, no matter what you're doing in VR. Using the battery is just not practical for all-day productive work in VR, so most of us work tethered. When you're working in Immersed, that's not a problem since you're usually sitting or standing at a desk anyway. in fact, neither the upcoming Immersed Visor nor the Apple Vision Pro will have a battery on board. They are being designed to be tethered or have a tether to a battery pack you wear on your belt.
love this concept of this channel instantly subbed. looking for remote office solutions while studying to be a blockchain dev hopefully meta keeps pumping out the updates and the aftermarket parts start apperaing soon to keep improving the experience
Amazing! I'm so glad you find these videos helpful!
I'm going to take a pop at this. I don't have the space for a decent physical hardware setup. I'm stuck, arched over my laptop coding. So this could potentially improve my posture.
Absolutely! It will definitely help your posture, especially if you can lean back in your chair with your keyboard mounted to your chair. But even if you have your keyboard on a desk, you will be able to look up at giant screens, so it will absolutely help!
I own it, and is works great on games on PC.
Awesome!
thanks, this is exactly the usecase I'm interested in. Its just sooo expensive :/
I found the quest 2 to have too low resolution for actual coding
It's true. There's no denying that price tag is hard to swallow. I think of it this way... If you're a professional musician, you don't buy a cheap musical instrument. Your instruments are the tools of your trade, so you invest in an expensive instrument. It will help you do your job better. Similarly, as a software developer, my laptop and my screens (in this case, VR screens) are the tools of my trade. So I invest in quality tools (like the Quest Pro) so I can do my job better. 🤑
I just ordered the quest pro..I need it..because of reasons!😂
🤣 I TOTALLY get you! 🤣
I don't know how the hell you worked on the Quest 2 for so long. I just tried it today and the clarity in Immersed was pretty awful
Honestly, it may be a product of my age. I'm 53 years old, so I was writing code in the late 90's. At that time, the state of the art monitors were 14 inch analog CRT's that were suuuuuper blurry by today's standards. I got used to that because I had no other choice. ("Back in my day... I had to walk to school in the snow... uphill... both ways!" 🤪) The Quest 2 is WAY better than those were, and I worked on them for years with no complaints. So, yes... switching from todays 4k screens IRL to the Quest 2 was a hard transition a couple years ago. You're not wrong that it's pretty awful by comparison. However, even as bad as it is, it's totally readable with comfortable, relaxed eyes. I just had to decide if all the other benefits of working in VR (multiple easily resizable screens, fantastical environments, co-working with people all around the globe, etc.) were worth the sacrifice of that resolution. For me, it was. For others, it's not... and that's totally ok. I'm definitely an early adopter of this tech. If the text clarity of your Quest 2 is truly blurry/bad, then perhaps you need to adjust your IDP settings, brightness/contrast, sizing and positioning of screens, color themes, font size, etc. If you search for terms like "text clarity", "pixel parity", or "resolution" in the Immersed Discord (immersed.com/community), you'll find lots of conversations on these topics with many tips and tricks to help you maximize the clarity with your Quest 2. You can do it... but I'll admit... you gotta want it! The exciting thing is that the new Immersed Visor is set to truly improve text clarity, promising 4k per eye in a much smaller/lighter form factor. That will be game changing! I can't wait!!
@@WorkInVR Thank you for the detailed answer. I ended up watching multiple other videos of yours and think you're doing something really cool here.
I'm getting the Quest 3 for entertainment reasons, but if the Immersed text clarity gets a significant jump up from the Q2 on it then I'll be back! Also really hoping the Visor lives up to its promises. I won't be preordering but if reviews are solid I'll definitely pick one up
@@Jdb63 Thanks for the kind words! 😊 I can guarantee the Quest 3 text clarity will be much better than the Quest 2 due to the pancake lenses. With the Quest 2 Fresnel lenses, you have to continually look through the lens "sweet spot" (the area in the center of the concentric circles in the lenses) in order to see crisp text. This forces you to "keep your head on a swivel", but keep your eyes looking forward, always through that sweet spot. That is not a natural way to look at a screen. The pancake lens technology has no such restriction. So, with the Quest Pro (and the Quest 3), you can let your eyes "roam" all around the lenses and wherever you look, text is crisp. That is a much more natural way to look at a screen... just like IRL. That is why, even though the pixel per eye improvement between the Quest 2 and the Quest Pro is not that dramatic, the experience is *wildly* better in the Quest Pro. So you will have that same experience when you move to the Quest 3. When you get your Quest 3, try Immersed again. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the improvement! When you're back in Immersed with your Quest 3, stop by the public rooms some time and say hi! I also hope that the Visor lives up to its promises. I grabbed my Founders Edition within minutes of when they opened it up for pre-orders. I can't wait!
@@WorkInVR Alright you've got me excited now! I'll definitely stop by when I'm all set up
All day with a q2? As a dev? Naaaah. I tried to code and could not see shit out of sweetspot, unusable full day
It's possible your IDP wasn't adjusted properly, or maybe you needed prescription inserts. It's hard to tell. You can also work with sizing and positioning of screens in VR as well as font-size and dark themes, to dial in your comfort level. I used my Q2 all day for software development work for almost a year. No problem at all. But it's totally understandable if the resolution/clarity wasn't good enough for you. Many people are tripped up by text clarity struggles. The good news is... with the Quest Pro and the new Quest 3, you have pancake lenses - no sweet spot! So those headsets are muuuuuch better to work with. And, with the upcoming Immersed Visor, we'll have 4k per eye resolution! So the tech continues to improve. Maybe you can try immersed with a more modern headset and see what you think!
@@WorkInVR yep that's why I preordered! :) thanks for the reply
@@d3stroyah ❤🙌
quest 2 is not easy on the eyes to work.
There are things you can do to optimize your display to get it to be relaxing on the eyes using the Quest 2. However, the Quest Pro definitely has a noticeable increase in sharpness and clarity.
The fit on this for VR gaming is horrible. Way to loose. This is headset for AR.
Yeah, I only use it for productive work so I can't really comment on VR gaming fit. However, (as shown in this video) I wear a ballcap on backwards when wearing my Quest Pro and that helps it to be a snug fit. Also, I assume you know about the tension dial on the back. That can help get a snug (but not too tight) fit.
if youre spending more than 40 mins a day in vr youre currently damaging your eyes. meta will not currently be releasing the data on that. dont say you wernt told. youre welcome.
This is not true. Additionally, a blanket statement like this is not helpful. Let's look at some actual, helpful information...
VR AND NORMAL SCREENS HAVE THE SAME RISKS:
The main risk for ALL electronics (computer screens and VR) is "Digital Eye Strain" or "Computer Vision Syndrome". This happens when your eyes dry out because you don't blink as much when staring at screens. This is why it is important to blink often and take frequent breaks for ALL screens (normal and VR). Another risk is blue light. Blue light exposure doesn't damage your eyes, but it can interrupt your sleep cycles. Both normal screens and VR have blue light filtering to help with this. So again... no difference between normal screens and VR. It is true that the old VR Fresnel lenses required you to look through a VR lens "sweet spot". This required you to move your eyes less and move your head more. However, the pancake lenses in the new Quest Pro eliminate that. You can now look anywhere in VR lenses with perfect clarity. Just like real life.
IN MANY WAYS, VR IS ACTUALLY BETTER FOR YOUR VISION:
In real life, it's easier to focus on an object 20 feet away, than it is to focus on an object 2 feet away. This is because focusing on more distant objects allows you to relax your "eye accommodation". In VR, you are focusing on objects much farther away than normal screens, so it is more relaxing on your eyes. In VR, your eyes can DIverge more (be more parallel). When you look at a normal screen, your eyes must CONverge more (go more cross-eyed) to focus. So your overall "eye vergence" is more relaxed in VR. Long term, this reduces eye strain. VR can also be helpful for users who have existing eye damage or low vision. They can make screens truly giant (like the size of IMAX movie theater screens) to see them better. Additionally, VR can actually help people who have a lazy eye to help strengthen their weak eye.
If you want detailed research and analysis about the effects of VR on your eyes from an Optometrist, look at the videos on "Dr. Eye Guy's" UA-cam channel: ua-cam.com/users/DrEyeGuy
TL;DR:
VR is actually easier on the eyes than real world screens. Take breaks, blink often, and you'll be just fine.
@@WorkInVR ive been teaching VR since the DK1 (google that if you dont know what that is). After EXTENSIVE on the job EXPERIENCE for 7 years im telling you that data is gong to be proved wrong in about a year from now. putting any screen that far from your eyes for any longer than 40 mins is actually about as insane as it sounds. headaches happen for a reason.Listen to your own body not gathered " current data" to suit your argument.
@@PolytronikDigital Fair enough. I appreciate your opinions. VR does not give me headaches. I regularly co-work with people who have been using VR full-time (all day, every day) since mid-2018. I've been using it full time (all day, every day) for over a year now. None of us have had any negative effects on our eyes or bodies by using this technology. This sounds suspiciously like the people in the 1990's who claimed that putting a cell phone next to your head will give you brain cancer. I suppose time will tell and you may be right. You may tell me "I told you so" someday. I appreciate your warning because I'm sure you're honestly trying to help people, and that's great. But for now, I'll trust my own experience as well as the experience of many other VR early adopters / heaver users. I'll also trust optometrists who have studied this and tell me there is no significantly different risk between VR screens and other screens.