How Fast can You Rank up in Smash Bros as Sheik?

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  • People complain sheik is one of the most brain dead easy characters in smash bros melee. So how fast can i rank up with no sheik experience?
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  • @Ludvix
    @Ludvix  Рік тому +66

    what game should i do next? (it has to have some form of a ranked mode / or a certain character)

    • @TheStickCollector
      @TheStickCollector Рік тому +6

      Does Rivals of Aether have a ranked? Idk

    • @sneakysnail9225
      @sneakysnail9225 Рік тому +2

      Bugsnax

    • @honk1419
      @honk1419 Рік тому +10

      im not going to say that you should play Quake
      but Quake is a video game
      and Quake Champions is free
      and bhopping and circle jumping is cool

    • @LordCakeThief
      @LordCakeThief Рік тому +4

      How about Rocket League?

    • @TheStickCollector
      @TheStickCollector Рік тому +1

      @@honk1419 Let's Revive Quake Champions, as a _meme_

  • @EmissaryOfSmeagol
    @EmissaryOfSmeagol Рік тому +29

    Not even a single Puff in 200 games, wow.

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  Рік тому +13

      I’m blessed

    • @simanolastname2399
      @simanolastname2399 Рік тому +4

      I think this might be a statement about both how unpopular Jigglypuff is and how hard she is at mid level (not a jiggs player btw)

    • @EmissaryOfSmeagol
      @EmissaryOfSmeagol Рік тому +3

      @@simanolastname2399 a lot of Puff haters say she's easy, but I wouldn't really know about how things change from low skill to mid level.

    • @benferrisinverts4198
      @benferrisinverts4198 2 місяці тому +2

      @@EmissaryOfSmeagolas a puff newbie she dies really quickly and im not good a hitting rest combos i think here technical level isnt nearly as high as fox just all the basics short hop etc. but its more outsmarting your oponent. At top level its gonna be hard atleast against fox and marth

  • @cupmaster6642
    @cupmaster6642 Рік тому +53

    I personally think you should incorporate short/full hop needles into your edge guarding toolkit for spacies. I helps cover those pesky side b recoveries and helps cover low up Bs when you are out spaced and are running from the other side of the stage. Takes practice to dodge the platforms and not lose your needles to nothing. Also I would say 80% of the cast can be chain grabbed by sheik at various percents, so you could be taking more percent in your down throw strings. Going hand in hand with the chain grabs would be learning your tech chase followups. Otherwise just have fun with the learning process, she is not as braindead as people want you to think.

    • @jacobbender2246
      @jacobbender2246 Місяць тому

      People call her braindead because you can place gold with 0 competitive smash knowledge by just sprinting at people and pressing A. Easy to do well, par to master.

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal Рік тому +23

    If you want to keep practicing Sheik at all feel free to hit me up with questions! I'd be down to offer some insight on the character

  • @brodown64
    @brodown64 Рік тому +19

    I read Sheik as Shrek and thought we were gonna get a fusion with Super Slam

  • @andrewbank4696
    @andrewbank4696 Рік тому +10

    A whole Sheik video without a single mention of "chaingrab" or "tech chase"

  • @TheBlightedSouls
    @TheBlightedSouls Рік тому +5

    I have never played slippi ranked so im not sure how stage bans work on there, but you lost game 1 in your first match and then counterpicked fox to pokemon stadium. that is never a good idea. Dreamland, battlefield, or fountain would all be better

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  Рік тому +1

      What’s wrong with PS compared to bf?

    • @buffbear7890
      @buffbear7890 Рік тому +4

      @@Ludvix low ceiling means fox up air and upsmash kills hella early as well as yoshis and FD+FD also has no platforms to land on while recovering meaning you get killed off recovery more frequently, I talked about this in my comment too :3

    • @stllr_
      @stllr_ Рік тому +3

      @@Ludvix also adding on to this, ps has much further away side blast zones than bf does, so fair's kill power is nerfed. sheik loves to kill horizontally whereas fox loves to kill vertically, ps does a lot for fox and not much for you

  • @Geesus9
    @Geesus9 Рік тому +5

    I like these videos alot, even if I don't care about the game (starcraft). It's just a shame you don't get any traffic going anymore.
    I get that everybody wants the "old" kind of videos back. We all miss lud and papa's mid level melee banter.
    But you can only do so many of those. I don't think just uploading gameplay is gonna do much in the long run, if there's no gimmick/mod.
    Good on ya ludvix, wish ya the best.

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  Рік тому +5

      appreciate the feedback! and its nice that u get my sentiments, those type of videos (the banter) prob will come back once in awhile in the future, right now i really enjoy improving/story telling styles more nowadays, and im trying to improve the videos itself as much as i continue uploading, i appreciate the comment :)

    • @Geesus9
      @Geesus9 Рік тому +4

      @@Ludvix I'm glad to hear you're still having some fun making and experimenting with videos on here. YT really is a tough game, not even talking money or algorithm.
      Keep it up bud. Just don't force yourself.

  • @MegaDevin1996
    @MegaDevin1996 Рік тому +1

    Your best winrate stage is FoD because you never choose it. So games against wayyy better opponents go to your fav counter-picks (aka not FoD) and your games that you were gonna win anyways have the enemy counterpick to FoD. Basically, it’s a statistics and selection bias example, and it’s kinda proof that stage pick matters much less outside of the top level

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  Рік тому

      but why would they choose fod if its not their strongest pick? and if i truly was bad at fod wouldnt fod be a lower winrate? genuine question. or is sheik just good on paper playing fountain of dreams?

    • @nanarledge8547
      @nanarledge8547 Рік тому +1

      It may be their strongest counterpick but if they already lost game 1 to you they'll likely lose game 2 aswell no matter the stage, so if you never pick FoD then you're only playing on it generally when you're playing against someone worse than you or at least worse at that given matchup.
      Its pretty rare to run into someone you go even with on Slippi most times its either you beating them over and over or them beating you over and over.

  • @zacky_code
    @zacky_code 11 місяців тому +3

    hold up, "my WIFE called me". That's crazy if it's that true

  • @justkaz8805
    @justkaz8805 Рік тому

    I really like these videos where you pick up some random thing and try to become good with it. Super inspiring and good at showing how the best way to reach the top quick is to start.

  • @TheFBIorange
    @TheFBIorange Рік тому +3

    29:30 - don't beat yourself up over losing "unlosable" matchups or 80/20s. Those assume that you know the matchup and what to exploit. First time ever playing bowser with shiek, and that bowser has probably played that matchup 100s of times. Not crazy to lose.

  • @NathanLouie
    @NathanLouie Рік тому +9

    Love these types of videos! I’m curious as to how much you analyzed other Sheik players’ sets during this, if any. I know you mentioned how you did research for certain matchups, and I wonder if watching what other players did was part of that.

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  10 місяців тому +1

      it twas

  • @Max-xp2px
    @Max-xp2px Рік тому +7

    of course the first captain falcon you fight is bab

    • @simanolastname2399
      @simanolastname2399 Рік тому +2

      Was that really Bab? Bab is ranked grandmaster, what would he be doing fighting a Gold player

  • @BobTheMonkeyProductions
    @BobTheMonkeyProductions Рік тому +133

    My favorite part was when he said “it’s sheik’n time” and sheiked all over them. Truly another classic Ludvix moment

    • @fayssega
      @fayssega Рік тому +18

      Do you guys like seriously find this funny ?

    • @LushSSB
      @LushSSB Рік тому +13

      Why is this still a thing

    • @bokboklerigolo
      @bokboklerigolo Рік тому +5

      ​@@fayssega yes, no need to break the ambiance

    • @JauntyVampire
      @JauntyVampire 11 місяців тому

      I always see comments like this and somehow it hasn’t got old yet

    • @BigGhoul53425
      @BigGhoul53425 9 місяців тому

      Npc ass comment

  • @duncanmcmanus6908
    @duncanmcmanus6908 Рік тому +1

    Sheik is commonly described as having a "bad" recovery, but from my perspective after playing the character for years I don't quite quite agree with the objective description of bad. Sheiks recovery is unique in the sense that it has polarizing strengths and weaknesses. Her ability to control and snap to the ledge is second to only spacies with shine turnaround, and the sami stall (I think that's what it's called, which is the same technique as shino stalling but instead of poofing above the ledge with hitbox you simply drop ledge a bit lower and regrab with the upwards part of up b) can be done in a way that gives her full intangibility, as well as resetting her ECB to give you a more consistent perfect ledgedash. Its great for stalling, very hard to contest unless done with a perfect callout, and can be mixed up very well to create a tight execution test for an edgeguarding opponent. The biggest downsides to the recovery are how it loses to rinse and repeat edgeguards, a la fox bair off ledge, but this is where the new school of Sheiks like jmook and krudo have shown innovations. Sheiks recovery is only bad when it is used on it's own, but many of it's issues can be mitigated with amsah teching and slideoff DI's, not to mention the ever elusive edge cancel poof and various angles and shortens that box players have started to cook with. She's similar to falcon in the sense that the flaws and limitations in their recoveries often drive their players to higher levels of technical skill and creativity in spite of it.

    • @WhoPlaysMc
      @WhoPlaysMc 11 місяців тому

      I think it's mainly that Sheik's recovery is one of the only exploitable parts of her kit is why it gets mentioned so much, but it's definitely not worse than Falcon.

    • @duncanmcmanus6908
      @duncanmcmanus6908 11 місяців тому

      @@WhoPlaysMc Oh yeah she definitely has a much better time than Falcon. Just using the comparison as an example of aspects of the character that are gradually getting pushed farther and farther in terms of how top players are learning to patch up the inherent weaknesses with godlike tech skill

  • @RetroGrazer
    @RetroGrazer Рік тому +1

    Bro don't even feel bad about losing to that Bowser. I've played against Osufan multiple times and that guy is a low rank DEMON. I don't think I've won against him at all yet he's a hard knowledge check for sure

  • @mlalbaitero
    @mlalbaitero Рік тому +1

    7:43 his internet mightve just cut out

  • @bentanner4192
    @bentanner4192 Рік тому +1

    Good video, but might be worth adding some stuff like music or maybe jazz it up a little with a story, because I feel like the narration is currently a little dry. A narrative of how you got better with the character might be good, or something. Still good video though 👍

  • @ShinyGBZ
    @ShinyGBZ Рік тому +6

    Would love to see you try this with Peach, been tryna learn her myself but she's so much different than any other character I've played prior, with her float tech and such

    • @ThePsymonator
      @ThePsymonator Рік тому +2

      Yep, Peach is underrated as hell. You can feel people slowly losing braincells throughout the match the more you down smash lol.

    • @ShinyGBZ
      @ShinyGBZ Рік тому +2

      @@ThePsymonator yeah bro check out my 40% peach combo * down smashes one time *

  • @kryzethx
    @kryzethx 11 місяців тому +1

    15:32 Can't speak for anyone in Melee, but from playing a lot of Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate online (in the for glory modes), I'll tend to be playing with a character that I have fun with and am fairly competent with, but isn't my main, and if I play against someone who is actually good and either beats, or nearly beats me, I'll switch over to my main for a "real challenge", since I would have been holding back using a non-main character. Like, "now I'll show you my real power", or something like that lol

  • @gianlucatartaro1335
    @gianlucatartaro1335 Рік тому +2

    As a Marth main, it is REALLY refreshing to see somebody outside of the Marth/Sheik sphere point out how EASY it is for Sheik to beat Marth. That matchup is BROKEN. The fact that a new Sheik doesn’t even struggle with Marth until Gold rank shows just how simple it is for Sheik to beat Marth.
    That matchup is either 55/45 or 60/40 at top level, but at the intermediate, I would even go as far as to say that it is 70/30. Absolutely a braindead matchup. I’ll play people who boot up Unranked as Sheik, but if I beat somebody and then they switch to Sheik because they want a braindead win and an undeserved taunt, I just taunt and disconnect.

    • @TheFBIorange
      @TheFBIorange Рік тому

      Same I struggle against Sheik at mid-level and can put up a better fight with my way-less experienced falco. Kinda makes sense from this vid, as it seems Sheik has a harder time dealing with lasers / punishing falco than I thought

  • @slim197
    @slim197 Рік тому +5

    ggs man i was the bowser

    • @slim197
      @slim197 Рік тому +2

      the first one 💀

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  Рік тому +2

      U a legend

  • @sleepman8575
    @sleepman8575 Рік тому +2

    16:55 That was Bab Activated lol you had no chance. Check out his combo videos!

  • @Rpodnee
    @Rpodnee Рік тому +2

    I've been playing unranked for about a year and I still don't know how to play against Capt. Falcon. But this video makes me want to try ranked finally. I play Sheik as well.

  • @MeatKisser
    @MeatKisser Рік тому +4

    As a dual spacie main that plays sheik for fun (crazy I know), two of the biggest things I learned was that holding down and just being good at tech chasing is broken. Additionally, I think the best way to improve punish on species is to recognize when a tech chase situation is possible and capitalizing on that (i.e will my f-tilt confirm into another f-tilt or are they really close to the ground). Obviously I can just say "get good" at tech chasing, but that's just some homework a person has to figure out. In terms of tech chasing from my perspective, I always like to wavedash forward after down throw if they move forward or wavedash back/in-place if they move behind. I hope all these tips help!

  • @challeballe2511
    @challeballe2511 11 місяців тому +2

    I REALLY like this video format, it's like a sped up version of the journey i have before me. Would love to see it with more chars. (Marth)

  • @benklee127
    @benklee127 11 місяців тому +2

    pretty often people's least favorite stage is their best win rate in Bo3 since it'll mostly come up as an opponent counterpick--basically only against subset of opponents you already beat

  • @VincentNUGGET
    @VincentNUGGET Рік тому +5

    Ludwig

  • @danb1809
    @danb1809 Рік тому +3

    Ive found Fox to definitely the hardest character to figure out how to beat as Sheik as well, feels like you have be on the defense but if they’re super fast you can’t even do that
    On the flip side Jigglypuff is the easiest matchup for me even though Sheik loses to her too. You just have to outplay the Jigglypuff at their own game carefully spacing out back-airs and mixing in your other tools like needles

  • @SrEpic3
    @SrEpic3 Рік тому +2

    Sheik: easy my dude,super easy

  • @abbe1255
    @abbe1255 Рік тому +2

    It's no wonder you lost to that first Falcon. It was frigging bab

  • @NinjaLobsterStudios
    @NinjaLobsterStudios 11 місяців тому

    Ya know, it always surprises me when i see a Fox like the one at the start make silly mistakes that should be a death sentence even for mid-level play, and then for some reason they can do things like ledge dashing
    Like, i regularly see players on unranked who can shield drop and ledge dash (admittedly basic tech at this point) and then i still beat them (when i cant do either tech). I'm not saying you shouldn't learn all the tools available, but its emblematic of an issue of prioritization that i guess has existed since the dawn of fighting games. Heck, someone like Borp should put all that to rest: game sense is how you win, not by out-muscling your opponent

  • @RobertAntonyJameson
    @RobertAntonyJameson Рік тому +1

    I'd say you don't grab enough.
    Probably her most annoying feature.
    Mostly throw spacies down and floaties up.

  • @sisig4079
    @sisig4079 Рік тому +1

    ludvix you have a wife 😭😭😭 I thought we were the same age

  • @griffinashley2890
    @griffinashley2890 11 місяців тому +2

    Bro you're married now??

  • @ssbmphdeeznuts2299
    @ssbmphdeeznuts2299 Рік тому +16

    Ok I started off taking notes on each set for fun but I didn't realize how long the video was LOL so here's a quick summary of my thoughts and then some individual notes for the first 20 sets or so:
    This was great! You quickly picked up on a lot of the necessary Sheik fundamentals. I'd say the biggest things you're missing (besides obvious character control stuff like punish game, microspacing, fast fall timings, etc.) are:
    1) aerial needles!! they are great against crouch/ASDI down and lead into all sheik's great moves (grab, ftilt, downsmash). They also contest air space against floaties and help during edgeguards to cover low angles.
    2) crouch cancel / ASDI down: these are so strong for sheik because she is fast and gets huge openings off her normals (ftilt, dtilt, grab, downsmash) so crouching an opponents hit and counterhitting them is massive for sheik. A more advanced technique is hold down -> dash out of crouch -> grab, but dashing out of crouch is a tricky technique if you're not used to it.
    3) nair out of shield and wavedash out of shield: I saw you use a lot of shield grabs, rolls, and jumps out of shield, which are quite limited in utility compared to nair oos or wavedash oos (usually followed by something like ftilt, grab, or just a continuation of neutral). Nair oos is hard but worth it.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Individual Set Notes:
    Set 1 (Fox): once you get fox off stage, grab the ledge (either turnaround wavedash back, or short hop needle turnaround) and then backair that fool
    Set 2 (Luigi): recovering as sheik is hard! usually trying to DI well enough that you have a mixup between (a) deep upb far into the stage or onto side plat, (b) straight up upb above the ledge, (c) slight angle upb above the ledge, (d) fadeback upb to sweetspot ledge, (e) airdodge onstage, or (f) airdodge drift back to snap to ledge. There's also other little tricks like walljump airdodge when you have a wall to jump off of, but it takes a while to figure out which of these options are useful to find holes in your opponent's ledge punish flowchart
    Set 3 (Fox): great job noticing that ftilt is good for covering spacie side b! This is a good option if you don't think you'll be fast enough to get to ledge before they side b. With regards to reading missed tech, be careful, because that's a habit that'll get you punished at higher levels of gameplay.
    Set 4 (Peach): yeah this matchup is great for Sheik, for a lot of the reasons you mentioned (Peach is slow so she has trouble contesting needles, edgeguarding Sheik, keeping up in neutral) and Sheik has great confirms into basically any aerial off grab, I saw you do downthrow upair which is one of her best kill confirms. Try using aerial needles and short hop back air to contest the aerial ranges where Peach likes to float
    Set 5 (Luigi): like you mentioned, Luigi recovery is bad. I'd recommend using backair instead of forward air though to hit him away, it's safer and you can do it invincibly from the ledge (once you confirm he isn't going to side b onto stage).
    Set 6 (Peach): sadly downthrow upsmash does not work against Peach if they airdodge out, but at that percent you can get downthrow -> uptilt -> fair (or upair) and probably kill
    Set 7 (Young Link): falling nairs like this can be good when you have a hard read on their recovery pattern, but be careful not to miss because you will probably die.
    Set 8 (Ganondorf): the reason you feel like you "can't follow up" when Ganon is in shield is because he's shielding on reaction to your jumps, and you aren't using empty land -> grab. With any character but especially Sheik, empty land grab is a crucial option to use because otherwise they can shield every time you jump and always be safe from your aerials. And the reason you're getting hit with double jump aerials is that you're most likely trying to punish his landing lag (assuming he is going to land with an aerial) but instead of doing that he double jumps, baits your move (ftilt, grab, whatever), and then aerials you back. Try to sustain your neutral interactions a little bit longer without committing to a move, you'll find that your opponent will become uncomfortable or throw something punishable out much faster than you'd expect. And yes, Ganon can chaingrab Sheik (Sheik can also chaingrab Ganon though, or zero to death without chaingrabbing even, so its a good matchup for Sheik).
    Set 9 (Luigi): lol
    Set 10 (Falco): hahahahaha yes Falco is pain to play against, you have to play an entirely different style of neutral game. Think of yourself as James Bond moving through the lasers, that's what I try to do. Focus on grab and spaced aerials at low percents. Take laser into dashback/ftilt/nair can all be good, you can also try crouching in neutral to duck underneath lasers (Sheik gets real low) and sneak in some dtilts (broken move). Also if you get good at powershielding, it forces the Falco to shoot high lasers (harder to powershield, but easy to run underneath directly), so it gets interesting. For edgeguards, just try to force him to low upb. Then backair him immediately or just hold ledge and do a close ledgehop backair to hit him back off.
    Set 11 (Peach): when trying to edgeguard better Peach players, remember that she's bad at getting off of the ledge, so I would stay on the stage and threaten with bair, fair, ftilt, etc. Then, if she goes to ledge, try to snipe her with needles (probably fail) and then focus on punishing her for trying to get back on the actual stage. To deal with crossups, practice short hop nair out of shield, or wavedash out of shield (this doesn't directly punish, but gets you back to neutral).
    Set 12 (Fox): you're right that you need to anticipate his movements better in neutral, but you also need to improve your punish game to win this matchup, aka tech chasing for getting that crucial percent that you need to set up a good edgeguard.
    Set 13 (Sheik): nice job clutching your first game 3! I recommend learning to chaingrab in this matchup since that will start happening as you get better
    Set 14 (Luigi): so many Luigis man..
    Set 15 (Marth): good job whiff punishing, but be careful against Marths who do aerials in place or retreating aerials because he can dash back before you get the punish and punish you back.
    Set 16 (Fox): oh no... the Vessel needles.. don't do that it's bad I promise it's bad JUST TRUST ME DON'T DO IT
    Set 17 (Fox): it's not that he knows exactly when you're gonna throw out a move, he's intentionally dashing and jumping slightly outside of your threat ranges, baiting you to throw out the move, and then just reacting to that and running in to punish it. It's really good (and really lame) and the way to beat it is to slowly take space in such a way that if he rushes you down, you can react with an ftilt, grab, downsmash, etc. That way he either has to force an interaction or give you space, but you want to avoid starting the interaction until he's actually going to be in range, otherwise you're gonna get owned
    Set 18 (Falco): you were just better than this guy
    Set 19 (Sheik/Falco): yes, punishing sheik coming down is really good!! and yes being in shield is pretty bad against falco, but if you learn how to nair oos and wavedash oos that will help a lot.
    Set 20 (Marth/Fox): nice edgeguards against the Marth, those low backairs offstage are fantastic. You also discovered how good DI mixups are in Sheik's punish game, one that I like in particular is reverse dash attack. Basically if you think someone will DI your dash attack well, you can dash all the way through them and cross them up with the hitbox. DI out on the normal dash attack would mean DI in on the reverse dash attack, giving you a followup. Sheik has lots of little 50/50s like this in her punish game that if you lock onto your opponent's mental state can really net some huge punishes. And yes, waiting / playing reactively is extremely powerful with Sheik, great pickup :)
    Set 21 (Marth): make sure to use lots of grab against Marth, you have guaranteed downthrow followups that lead into huge combos at low percent, and edgeguards/kills at higher percents, in particular, try to use boost grab (dash attack + Z in first 3 frames of animation) instead of dash attack in neutral, it hits more often and nets better results.
    Set 22 (Captain Falcon): he's really fast! but his aerials come out slowly. so stay in the corner (he can't cross you up as easily in the corner) and shield when you see him jump. You can crouch cancel -> grab his neutral airs, and you can punish his stomps and knees out of shield (although you might need to watch out for jabs afterward). Tech chase him! It's much easier than the space animal tech chases.

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  Рік тому +4

      Goated

    • @coal760-BH3
      @coal760-BH3 11 місяців тому

      This is super helpful and I don't even play sheik! 🐐

    • @lukeperez7953
      @lukeperez7953 11 місяців тому

      How to play like the biggest loser.

    • @tehdrago
      @tehdrago 11 місяців тому

      i aint readin allat🤣

  • @SpacePaincake
    @SpacePaincake Рік тому +1

    Not a bad overall ranking for just 200 ? Pretty damn good

  • @mentalanime
    @mentalanime Рік тому +2

    Love this type of video. Very entertaining and meditative to watch you figure this out

  • @Lilskeevs
    @Lilskeevs 11 місяців тому +1

    21:00 shoutout to scarlott for waiting ❤😊

  • @DJSALTYNUTZ
    @DJSALTYNUTZ Рік тому +1

    needles are gg
    chain is a good troll tool

  • @Mr.Pies25907
    @Mr.Pies25907 Рік тому +1

    Finally someone showing that this character is not a Win Button and you need to know what are you doing to be good with he (or she)

    • @rashaadevans4647
      @rashaadevans4647 Рік тому

      its not a win button but its not hard to understand sheik and how to play her if you just understand melee. or tech chase regrabs which is not hard to do at all and was largely absent in the video. sheik is really hard to deal with as spacies unless you know how to actually play and dont just spam muscle memory. very hard to actually be good with sheik against good spacies

  • @JeramiJoseph
    @JeramiJoseph Рік тому +1

    dope concept homie! sick you played a character you weren't super comfortable with at first

  • @fortisch
    @fortisch 5 місяців тому

    8:00 bro, I am a complete beginner, but glad to see spacies fk up everyone. They are the only unfun matchup to play against for me.

  • @goofiestflower9405
    @goofiestflower9405 Рік тому +1

    That bowser is from my region. Playing him weekly is so rough LOL

  • @MultiWolfLink
    @MultiWolfLink Рік тому

    Starving rich family's assassin trained daughter

  • @YURTZYN42
    @YURTZYN42 Рік тому

    number 1 rule of EZ mode sheik usage: CHAINGRAB ANYTHING YOU CAN CHAINGRAB. Literally day 0 sheiks abuse this xD

  • @jtsandig
    @jtsandig 7 місяців тому

    as a marth main I'd want to take shiek to yoshi's potentially if stadium or fd are off. to get into marth you have do a lot of platform movement with jumping needles. jumping needles on the ground work until they don't to get grabs. also boost grab would beat dashdance if you want to approach. but cc marth's aerials and dtilt into grab is great because it limits marth to just position wins or grabs.

  • @luigitime9592
    @luigitime9592 Рік тому +2

    how to edgegaurd as shiek: needle

  • @savageedgelord
    @savageedgelord Місяць тому

    Chains and needles are good for edge guard. On the other hand you can get gud at rising fair or bair nair to edge guard. Shiek is a weird charcter where she has a very low skill floor. But has an insanely high skill cieling. Also your gonna lose to fox a lot. Also chain grabs and tech cuase is boring and makes the game a minigame. Not fun at all unless you are brain deas.

  • @thegoodgeneral
    @thegoodgeneral 10 місяців тому

    "Why do people do this" in regards to switching characters, it's for the same reason you talked about how difficult it is for you to fight Falco as Sheik. I main both Sheik and Marth, and in general I just think it's "easier" to deal with the Spacies as Marth, but it's way easier for me to deal with another Sheik with Sheik as it is with Marth.

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  10 місяців тому

      until they counter pick u back

  • @dropinota
    @dropinota 11 місяців тому

    Shits on someone for playing Zelda, 0% win rate against bowser. Tier don't matter as much as skill.

  • @tupactheory3739
    @tupactheory3739 Рік тому

    definitely look at the ninja a complete sheik guide and practice getting your bairs to land with the hitbox you actually want

  • @NvrLucky43
    @NvrLucky43 11 місяців тому

    lost twice to bowsers... all you have to do is needle grab pummel down throw grab pummel down throw....... upsmash

  • @WafflesOWNz
    @WafflesOWNz Рік тому

    I feel like it's common practice in fighting games to look at other players' matches of your character, especially when you know what areas and matchups you're struggling with. Is "I'll just grind it out" a more common sentiment for smash players?

  • @Galaxia53
    @Galaxia53 Рік тому +1

    Don't worry that Bowser was just a genius

  • @YURTZYN42
    @YURTZYN42 Рік тому

    22:38 but it IS though xD

  • @TheStickCollector
    @TheStickCollector Рік тому +1

    This would be me, but for luigi or the other low tiers

  • @gamesincharacter5106
    @gamesincharacter5106 11 місяців тому

    When fox is recovering just throw lots of needles to interrupt his starting animation on his recovery

  • @chase_like_the_bank
    @chase_like_the_bank 11 місяців тому

    Good vid. Play zelda! Just use downsmash, fair/bair and jab.

  • @Ziggycreeper
    @Ziggycreeper Рік тому

    28:34 "we got the same character select screen" bro you are playing the same CHARACTER 😭

  • @theJollyPaleGiant
    @theJollyPaleGiant 8 місяців тому

    whada guys think? what should he have done? leave your comments below.

  • @damerksh1238
    @damerksh1238 Рік тому +1

    sheik may be overloaded but…. yeah shes pretty cool😊

  • @nortalsessions4292
    @nortalsessions4292 Рік тому

    O yeah? If sheik is the easiest character to learn how come I keep losing? Checkmate

  • @zaraizabella
    @zaraizabella Рік тому +8

    I think you need to go into uncle punch and practice your reaction tech chasing in combo mode
    I like reaction tech chasing spacies using F and D tilt once they are at knock down percent for the move
    Tech chasing is such a huge part of Sheik's game, and I just didn't see much tech chasing from you
    even though you were doing a lot of other great stuff :)

  • @harrisontan31
    @harrisontan31 2 місяці тому

    Do you play on keyboard? I swear i heard a keyboard in the background.

  • @YURTZYN42
    @YURTZYN42 Рік тому

    sheik is pretty simple tbh just hit ur tilt combos and chaingrabs and implement spacing, but also be ready to scrap and tech chase as well. Edgeguards include the use of needles, run off fairs, back air from ledge, even nair.
    She can get pretty technical, so she definitely gets hard to actually MASTER what with her abysmal recovery as well as advanced techniques such as her poof tactics and turnaround needles, but its hard for me to imagine Sheik being difficult at low level. You're messing up pretty big on some of the basic concepts.

  • @GeriatricSmash
    @GeriatricSmash 11 місяців тому

    Shiek is tough for doc. Shiek Fair is really good against Marios.

  • @_willianturner
    @_willianturner Рік тому

    I guess that against bowser you just chaingrab him untill 90% and then go for the stock, cz sheik has a free chaingrab in most of the low tiers
    Edit: Ices are really hard, iirc, Chudat have never been defeated by a Sheik

  • @HiIh76
    @HiIh76 11 місяців тому

    As an on again off again shiek player, try wavedashing forward/back and ftilting against falcon. Youll catch alot of nairs and approaches, and you can dashback if you whiff! Also, ita really easy to get powershields against falco. Duck under, and then shield as the lazer goes over. Youll power shield for free and can convert it into a grab.

  • @Empty_Roar
    @Empty_Roar 11 місяців тому

    This series of videos is alot of fun to watch (except when he played lily. Watching bad versions of your main is always hard)

  • @ayylmao0702
    @ayylmao0702 Рік тому

    Sheik has always been easy in lower to mid level
    after that Sheik gets a lot more difficult because of the average neutral & horrible recovery

  • @kaloncpu57
    @kaloncpu57 Рік тому

    lmao I love the first Falco game. "How do people play this matchup? I literally cannot do anything." As somebody who just kinda plays Melee every once in a while for a little fun on Slippi, and a Sheik player, this was very nice to hear. Glad it's not just me.

    • @justsomeguy7042
      @justsomeguy7042 Рік тому +1

      The matchup can be really annoying. But platforms are sheik’s best friend when it comes to finding openings and avoiding laser.
      Fox is definitely a harder matchup for sheik, but I find Falco so much more annoying.

  • @gage_fey
    @gage_fey 11 місяців тому

    Please do another one of these as another character you haven't played yet. Maybe falcon would be sick?

  • @lupin6741
    @lupin6741 Рік тому

    always downthrow tech chase big bodies like dk or bowser

  • @King_Change
    @King_Change Рік тому

    34:03 As a Luigi player, using needles as Sheik can be really oppressive and hard to deal with because he relies so heavily on ground game. So if I had an idea for an easy fix, get better at using needles against Luigi and you will do much better in the future. Also, you were on FD but if you can find a way to camp platforms against Luigi by light-shielding you basically just win against Luigi because he has no counter-play in the air. Other than that, you just have to play a really good neutral and generally just try to not engage Luigi, don't disrespect him but you just want to play really defensively and he will never get in.

  • @radami9783
    @radami9783 Рік тому

    Ledge holding ko is lame im happy they removed it

  • @halevale5097
    @halevale5097 3 місяці тому

    I loved the video! I'm a newb and a sheik main. How do you find win rate match ups and win rate on maps information?

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  3 місяці тому +1

      its called slippipedia, its a great app

    • @halevale5097
      @halevale5097 3 місяці тому

      @@Ludvix thanks!

  • @pedrohdalla
    @pedrohdalla 4 місяці тому

    0 wins against falcon and Bowser LMAO

  • @justinryals565
    @justinryals565 Рік тому

    Abuse grabs and tech chases more against spacies

  • @whatthecookie123
    @whatthecookie123 11 місяців тому

    How does he get the missed l cancel color when he misses? Id love to know when I miss

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  11 місяців тому +1

      Look up “gecko code miss L cancel” for a better visual guide, but u right click ur iso and look for the checkbox

  • @Sleeepy.
    @Sleeepy. 11 місяців тому

    1. Uncle Punch
    2. Armada shine training
    3. Pick Shiek
    Mindless flowchart edgeguard, perfect for handwarming too

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  11 місяців тому +1

      Oh that’s a great idea!

  • @kos_
    @kos_ 11 місяців тому

    Would love to see this with different characters or even different games. rlly good video format.

  • @xxduckperson465
    @xxduckperson465 Рік тому

    (Any tilt) into (any ariel) is such a hard conversion….

  • @aubreyskipper9642
    @aubreyskipper9642 Рік тому

    does this mean that you'll be taking matches off of Papa J's yoshi?

  • @plabcentral630
    @plabcentral630 Рік тому

    Best falco plays brain dead character

  • @Vitor20XX
    @Vitor20XX Рік тому

    Ludvix only beats Papa Johns!

  • @JM43438
    @JM43438 11 місяців тому

    falco is braindead, not sheik

  • @fordmooney8404
    @fordmooney8404 Рік тому

    Why am I watching this LMAO

  • @rubix0110
    @rubix0110 Рік тому

    Chess video def inc.

  • @Mahdi12
    @Mahdi12 Рік тому

    I like how sheiks walk is faster than Zelda’s run

  • @joeyjelsch
    @joeyjelsch 11 місяців тому +1

    how do you play melee online?

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  11 місяців тому

      Check out my “absolute beginners guide” goes over that :)

    • @joeyjelsch
      @joeyjelsch 11 місяців тому

      @Ludvix thank you, do you have a video explaining how to play one gamecube/wii on 2 TVs?

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  11 місяців тому

      Nope, but there is many guides out there for that. I would look into softmodding a wii since that’s super easy and fast and also check FBM for a CRT tv near u some people give them away or check ur local melee discords, they can help u out and they might live super close to u too

  • @aleixprats994
    @aleixprats994 8 місяців тому

    sheik is the worst crap at melee

  • @kneo12
    @kneo12 Рік тому

    Now do one for puff, the easiest character tech skill wise.

  • @wippokeman
    @wippokeman Рік тому

    If you’re far from the ledge then a down tilt or a no fast fall nair ledge cancel might cover it.

  • @vanillafella4893
    @vanillafella4893 Рік тому

    im 7 mins in and JUST GRAB

  • @lheld954
    @lheld954 11 місяців тому

    where are people playing this online smash bros?

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  11 місяців тому

      I have a guide out for it :)

  • @loweffortfella1324
    @loweffortfella1324 Рік тому

    Based 100 gec peach main

  • @somehowrockingfloor3395
    @somehowrockingfloor3395 9 місяців тому

    How do you play ranked on this game?

    • @Ludvix
      @Ludvix  9 місяців тому

      Watch my video “melee beginners guide”

  • @RIPxri
    @RIPxri Рік тому

    @17:33 casually playing against bab in gold 1