This tournament was basically Christmas morning for Luigi's mains. Fun fact: another dream land tournament was planned for early 2020 and Plup planned to play Luigi for that tournament too. Sadly, the tournament ended up being planned literally the first weekend of covid lockdown so we never got to see Plup make another run. That's the worst thing to covid did to Luigi mains
Actually I'm a Luigi main and covid murdered my whole family including my cat. You shouldn't say insensitive things if you don't know that you're right
fellow Luigi main, really just wish Abate would make another return to the scene. I think Luigi just hasn't been developed quite as much as all of the other characters, but its also true that fundamentals are extremely important.
@@dennisd.4726well I'm a Lugia main and COVID personally kicked in my family home door and broke my family's bones one by one with a sledgehammer while I had to watch strapped to a chair then kicked me in my balls repeatedly until they came out through the other side when I shidded all over my mouth, with my last memories being COVID telling me he was behind 9/11 as I faded into unconsciousness, and even still I believe this was the single worst thing thats happened to Lego mains
There's actually important back story to plup beating drugged fox as luigi. Drugged fox had somewhat recently gone all luigi at a Georgia local and sweeped everyone. Karmic balance had to be restored one way or another...
Drugged fox such a crazy player seeing him in 2016 felt unreal however hearing the amount of depth he goes into the game really shows that he could've easily been top 5 if it wasn't for execution glad to see he found his bearings coaching it was meant for him( I used to play before COVID and you can guess my main)
The whole “comeback to the character later” thing I have experienced. I’ve never played competitive or anything, but I would always play as Kirby anytime I played smash bros but would only ever used specials, no normal, aerial, or smash. Then one day, after seeing a captain falcon in action, I decided to play him so I could win more often. Because captain falcon’s specials were so hard to hit, I began making use of everything else that he had, and when I eventually returned to Kirby I found myself doing a lot better by not relying on his specials
I own the first two smashes on 64 and GameCube. My friend just came over and let’s us play smash ultimate off his account on our switch. I started out playing mario because I love doctor mario in melee and I’m really good with base mario because of it. 💀😂
Dude, I only discovered you a couple months ago and your editing has gotten DRAMTICALLY better in that short amount of time. Soon you're gonna be a staple of Smash content creation, I'm calling it right now.
I think another thing that should be considered is how mixup heavy Luigi is as a character and how that allows you to play more freeform and carefree in a way. I main Sheik but it almost feels hard to play her in a fun/ carefree way sometimes. You have to be really disciplined with her in neutral because of things like cc and what not but Luigi is so slippery and slidy and he doesn't get punished as much at lower percents that I think it's easier to be goofy and have fun with him. Other characters I think that can be synergistic with goofy gameplay are Peach, The Mario's, Dk, Pikachu, yoshi, and game and watch. All of these characters kinda have a goofy aesthetic and I think playing goofy with them kinda tilts the other players. Whereas Sheik doesn't have many ways to be goofy( Marth is kinda similar here) and I find I play the best when I play logical and almost cold hearted.
I really feel like you're hitting a stride with your content lately. The historical accuracy is really appreciated when telling these stories, and (I assume at least) you do a good job of making them entertaining to newer players. Also I'm never gonna get sick of those excellent BGM choices either.
I really hope we have a Mario main who makes waves like Amsa or Axe. Mario is one of the best feeling characters in the game. SD Remix Mario is probably my favorite next to young link.
@@beardalaxy I just prefer regular mario as he feels lighter, F smash has a larger hit box, Fair spikes, and he can wall jump or do the up b wall jump.
No-one can say with accuracy just how good Plup would be if he was a Luigi main, but no-one can say just how good a Sheik/Fox player he would be if he could have as fun with those characters as when he was playing Luigi. And even if he wouldn't be any better, or perhaps a bit worse, he would still win, because imagine just being in a wonderful mood. :)
1:48 was there ever an explanation for how Abate survived that Dair? Looks like the game literally glitched out in his favor in a game 5 last hit situation
Invisible Ceiling Glitch (ICG) happens when any character hits someone's shield and starts sliding back, and it's during this slideback that ICG is active. When ICG state is active, all vertical knockback that you receive is set to 0. Furthermore, ICG state can be stored if you were sliding left after hitting a shield, and then you become airborne before the slideback finished (regardless if it's from jumping or from being hit into the air). This left-sliding ICG state ends if one of the following happens: you land and let the recoil continue wearing off, you grab someone, you get grabbed, or you grab ledge. If you were sliding right, the ICG state still continues to wear off even if you're in the air at the same rate you would have if you remained on the ground, so it's not possible to store ICG when sliding right. Characters with low traction (like Luigi) have a much easier time getting ICG state active. In the infamous Abate vs S2J match, Luigi downsmashed Falcon's shield, then got knee'd while he was still sliding to the left after hitting the shield. This knee hit when ICG state was active, so Luigi got sent at an awkward horizontal angle off stage because under ICG, there's no vertical knockback and only the horizontal knockback happened. Because the initial slide was to the left, ICG continued to be stored while Luigi was in the air off stage, so the following stomp that Falcon attempted was also under ICG. Both of those hits had 0 vertical knockback because of ICG, though with the stomp it was much more noticeable.
Lesso of the day for me: being competent/ competitive is not only about managing your characters, is also about managing your game plans and abilities... fundamentally, managing yourself.
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I really hate how they nerfed luigi from melee. His stats were so good then... he got nerfed because it's really easy to stomp newer players with him due to how much air control he has. (as just an example, his neutral A is 360 degrees)
@@IcyianCanehdian his Side B and Up B should have kept their stuff as well. It's now very difficult to land his uppercut and side B is a joke(didn't it used to have super armor?)
@@nathanielbass771 side b is so useless trying to get back on stage. So easy to edge guard and his tornado was nerfed for no absolute reason. People just complained while there were other characters that needed nerfs but nope. Let's nerf a mid tier character.
1:45 That was kinda unfortunate, although Idk If that was Intentional xd 7:12 It was really necessary to pull up a Yoko Shimomura final boss battle theme here >:3
Watching this video and realizing ho versatile Plup actually is as a player, he honestly feels the most like a modern reincarnation of Isai. His ability to play so many different characters at a top level when most stick to one or two is incredibly impressive, and it really makes me respect Plup a lot.
Anyone who has watched as long as I have knows plup is the unmentioned god. Plup when hes playing hot is unstoppable. Hes probably been the best player in the world at times. His statistics might not show it exactly but his skill level does. If he was weak in one area it would be clutching out the finish.
Luigi is still a character I believe that is on the same level as Yoshi, they just need that god gamer to pick them up. Sure Marth and Falco are really hard but I don't see either as THAT bad. I do kind of have the wish that Melee is alive long enough that a Luigi, DK, and Samus can all have their time in the sun but we will just have to see if that is possible
This tournament was basically Christmas morning for Luigi's mains.
Fun fact: another dream land tournament was planned for early 2020 and Plup planned to play Luigi for that tournament too. Sadly, the tournament ended up being planned literally the first weekend of covid lockdown so we never got to see Plup make another run. That's the worst thing to covid did to Luigi mains
Actually I'm a Luigi main and covid murdered my whole family including my cat. You shouldn't say insensitive things if you don't know that you're right
@@dennisd.4726good one….
fellow Luigi main, really just wish Abate would make another return to the scene. I think Luigi just hasn't been developed quite as much as all of the other characters, but its also true that fundamentals are extremely important.
@@dennisd.4726well I'm a Lugia main and COVID personally kicked in my family home door and broke my family's bones one by one with a sledgehammer while I had to watch strapped to a chair then kicked me in my balls repeatedly until they came out through the other side when I shidded all over my mouth, with my last memories being COVID telling me he was behind 9/11 as I faded into unconsciousness, and even still I believe this was the single worst thing thats happened to Lego mains
@@dennisd.4726bro, i think this is fake but, are you okay? the thing you just said is not fine.
Man... aMSa is an absolute beast. Putting Yoshi on to Melee's top 10 on the tier list is no easy feat.
Even if Mang0 is the GOAT, aMSa is the GOAT in my heart.
And he did it while working a full time job and having to travel overseas to all the major tournaments. Thats fucking wild
Y u sucking his tic tac here? Not an issue with the sucking, just where you're doing it.
There's actually important back story to plup beating drugged fox as luigi.
Drugged fox had somewhat recently gone all luigi at a Georgia local and sweeped everyone.
Karmic balance had to be restored one way or another...
Drugged fox such a crazy player seeing him in 2016 felt unreal however hearing the amount of depth he goes into the game really shows that he could've easily been top 5 if it wasn't for execution glad to see he found his bearings coaching it was meant for him( I used to play before COVID and you can guess my main)
@@martinlozano7023 "easily be top 5" is a huge exaggeration but yes he is extremely gifted and insightful about the game
Plup - best Luigi in the world
Also Plup - loses the meme ditto
Luigi isnt a real character this guy spittin
is that a motherfuckin jo-joey pocket reference?!
What?
But he is real I heard him from da Mario bros plumbing website he talked to me (real)
There's only Green Mario
he's on that ganon pack again
The whole “comeback to the character later” thing I have experienced. I’ve never played competitive or anything, but I would always play as Kirby anytime I played smash bros but would only ever used specials, no normal, aerial, or smash. Then one day, after seeing a captain falcon in action, I decided to play him so I could win more often. Because captain falcon’s specials were so hard to hit, I began making use of everything else that he had, and when I eventually returned to Kirby I found myself doing a lot better by not relying on his specials
I own the first two smashes on 64 and GameCube. My friend just came over and let’s us play smash ultimate off his account on our switch. I started out playing mario because I love doctor mario in melee and I’m really good with base mario because of it. 💀😂
kirby is so awesome
What is the name of the song thats playing at the 9:00 min mark?
Dude, I only discovered you a couple months ago and your editing has gotten DRAMTICALLY better in that short amount of time. Soon you're gonna be a staple of Smash content creation, I'm calling it right now.
So, fun fact about B+ Tier
Yoshi was originally at F Tier until being turned viable by the legendary yoshi, aMSa
Every time I see Hbox in a non-Hbox video, he’s always introduced as “AAAAAAAHHHHHHH” and I love it
Luigi is secretly a monster. People just don’t realize that
Luigi with fox recovery is top 5
@@jasonanno3881 Yup
@@jasonanno3881 or with real air drift speed, he'd be completely insane
@@Pizzastealingninja yeah, i think if he had areal drift of 1
A beast indeed.
the real dialema of being a mid tier with this is seeing your characters have real potential, but knowing the best player will never use them again
for those asking, the song that starts at 8:34 is Penny' Theme, from Pokemon Scarlet/Violet.
Great video btw, tyvm
thank u
Luigi is criminally underrated
Great video! Also, in 2014 I was ranked #31 in the TOP 100 (I would even argue I should have been ranked #25 that year)
I think another thing that should be considered is how mixup heavy Luigi is as a character and how that allows you to play more freeform and carefree in a way. I main Sheik but it almost feels hard to play her in a fun/ carefree way sometimes. You have to be really disciplined with her in neutral because of things like cc and what not but Luigi is so slippery and slidy and he doesn't get punished as much at lower percents that I think it's easier to be goofy and have fun with him. Other characters I think that can be synergistic with goofy gameplay are Peach, The Mario's, Dk, Pikachu, yoshi, and game and watch. All of these characters kinda have a goofy aesthetic and I think playing goofy with them kinda tilts the other players. Whereas Sheik doesn't have many ways to be goofy( Marth is kinda similar here) and I find I play the best when I play logical and almost cold hearted.
Nobody uses B down for recovery. And it out prioritizes EVERYTHING. Used to be a Luigi main, the guy has serious potential
Dont play or watch this game but I love listening to Video-Documentaries like this. Glad you got recommended to me! Good luck on making content.
I really feel like you're hitting a stride with your content lately. The historical accuracy is really appreciated when telling these stories, and (I assume at least) you do a good job of making them entertaining to newer players. Also I'm never gonna get sick of those excellent BGM choices either.
I really hope we have a Mario main who makes waves like Amsa or Axe. Mario is one of the best feeling characters in the game. SD Remix Mario is probably my favorite next to young link.
too bad Mario is too bad sadly :(
Mario is just worse Dr Mario unfortunately, no reason to play him other than for the meme. Shroomed was a great doc but stopped playing him.
@@beardalaxy I just prefer regular mario as he feels lighter, F smash has a larger hit box, Fair spikes, and he can wall jump or do the up b wall jump.
I think the closest thing we'll get is doc Lee
introducing hbox with the popoff had me cryyyyying
No-one can say with accuracy just how good Plup would be if he was a Luigi main, but no-one can say just how good a Sheik/Fox player he would be if he could have as fun with those characters as when he was playing Luigi. And even if he wouldn't be any better, or perhaps a bit worse, he would still win, because imagine just being in a wonderful mood. :)
5:27 clever edit in the back. people wouldn't have credited him, you might say they thought he... got lucky?
good vid well edited
1:48 was there ever an explanation for how Abate survived that Dair? Looks like the game literally glitched out in his favor in a game 5 last hit situation
yep - invisible ceiling glitch ua-cam.com/video/-xLa0U9i-bk/v-deo.html
invisible ceiling glitch
Invisible Ceiling Glitch (ICG) happens when any character hits someone's shield and starts sliding back, and it's during this slideback that ICG is active. When ICG state is active, all vertical knockback that you receive is set to 0. Furthermore, ICG state can be stored if you were sliding left after hitting a shield, and then you become airborne before the slideback finished (regardless if it's from jumping or from being hit into the air). This left-sliding ICG state ends if one of the following happens: you land and let the recoil continue wearing off, you grab someone, you get grabbed, or you grab ledge. If you were sliding right, the ICG state still continues to wear off even if you're in the air at the same rate you would have if you remained on the ground, so it's not possible to store ICG when sliding right.
Characters with low traction (like Luigi) have a much easier time getting ICG state active. In the infamous Abate vs S2J match, Luigi downsmashed Falcon's shield, then got knee'd while he was still sliding to the left after hitting the shield. This knee hit when ICG state was active, so Luigi got sent at an awkward horizontal angle off stage because under ICG, there's no vertical knockback and only the horizontal knockback happened. Because the initial slide was to the left, ICG continued to be stored while Luigi was in the air off stage, so the following stomp that Falcon attempted was also under ICG. Both of those hits had 0 vertical knockback because of ICG, though with the stomp it was much more noticeable.
ua-cam.com/video/EqgYs7Be0kY/v-deo.html here is a really good vid on it from walt :)
Invisible ceiling glitch
Thank you for a very exciting and fun tournament recap, i love shit like this
“You can now play as Luigi”
Your production is SO GOOD. HOLY MOLY
i love your channel even tough ive not played a single game of melee in my life
I clicked the like button exactly here 3:18 great video
I JUST DISCOVERED THIS CHANNEL ???? this stuff is so good ! Thanks for your content !!!!
as a fellow luigi main, this brings a smile to my face.
Putting Cass’s theme over the battle between Plup and Swedish Delight made it soooo much better
please never stop making these videos for the love of god they're so good
Lesso of the day for me: being competent/ competitive is not only about managing your characters, is also about managing your game plans and abilities... fundamentally, managing yourself.
If you like the content and want to support the channel feel free to head over to my Patreon to get vids a day early for just a $1 a month and if u wanna give more u can thank you so much for watching to let me tell these dope stories about such a cool game
➤ Patreon: www.patreon.com/ChalerPatreon
Wait why was this added 2 days ago when the video is 5 months old
Good vid btw
@@lilbroforce5197 the vid got picked up in the algo and I only started a patreon like a few weeks ago
@@ChalerYT makes sense
Why do I feel like primal dialga is going to burst in out of nowhere into this smash vodeo?
My good friend and I have always jokingly referred to ganon as the 4th plumber
I really hate how they nerfed luigi from melee. His stats were so good then... he got nerfed because it's really easy to stomp newer players with him due to how much air control he has. (as just an example, his neutral A is 360 degrees)
Luigi's, side and down air should've kept it's strong knockback. Imagine how cracked Luigi would be if he like his melee self
@@IcyianCanehdian his Side B and Up B should have kept their stuff as well. It's now very difficult to land his uppercut and side B is a joke(didn't it used to have super armor?)
@@nathanielbass771 side b is so useless trying to get back on stage. So easy to edge guard and his tornado was nerfed for no absolute reason. People just complained while there were other characters that needed nerfs but nope. Let's nerf a mid tier character.
1:45 That was kinda unfortunate, although Idk If that was Intentional xd
7:12 It was really necessary to pull up a Yoko Shimomura final boss battle theme here >:3
Song at 8:57???? Your videos have improved a lot, but it'd be cool if you added the songs you used in the description or end-credits
Penny's theme from Scarlet/ Violet.
@@AimlessWandererSanoby any chances do you know the name of the outro?
Watching this video and realizing ho versatile Plup actually is as a player, he honestly feels the most like a modern reincarnation of Isai. His ability to play so many different characters at a top level when most stick to one or two is incredibly impressive, and it really makes me respect Plup a lot.
this title certainly aged
Abate will always be my favorite Luigi main. He has so many wild highlights and hype upsets.
I respect anyone who rocks with a lower tier character in a tourney. I wish more players would do it.
Great video! What's the song at 2:30?
clawdaddy beach yoshi woolly world
0:33 whats the music? its so catchy?
These videos are SO good dude. So good.
9:53
This is so facts, suddenly got so real lol
I like how the melee devs made the king of all evil not a Atleast A-☠
What's that song at (9:14)? I forget and it's startin' to bug me.
I swear I hear so much Gravity Rush music in video essays like this
what's that song at 8:58?
I know I've heard it before
damn your vids are really cool, good work chalace!
As a luigi main, i just love your video
Awesome video man!
whats the backgroud song please?
great story as always. keep it up dawg
You make really entertaining content ! Hope to see more !
One day this Luigi will strike again when we least expect it.
Awesome editing. The funny green Mario has untapped potential.
You unlock luigi by beating adventure mode with sonic and never hitting the A button
0:33 song name please?
It’s a Pokémon song I know that
Driftveil song
Drifveil City, I'm sorry no one answered this for ya. I hope you shazamed this 😢
ram ranch
Wich is the song used in 0:34 ?
port yoneuve theme
@@jamesroberts601 thanks
Hey could u make a video on the tragedy of sfat’s 2016. So close on so many occasions.
i have a lot of friends with psychosis. i get the feeling this guy just happens to like the video game.
Another banger !!!
I really like your music choices, do you have a document where every song is listed ?
Samus really don't be winning tournaments now that I think about it
this isnt Abate
5:55 Whats the name of the song?
If i was in competitive melee, that would probably be me
well you know what they say Y A H O O!!!!
sweedish daylight was havnig fun with plug, amazing set
I feel like Luigi has a similar vibe to yoshi. No one knew yoshi could be top tier until amsa
Props on the Gravity Rush music
Does anyone know the music at 8:58?
I NEED THE MUSIC AT 9:19
you made me remember how much i hate wobbling and people that use it
Luigi @ CEO Dreamland OwU
Watched that tourney live, that invisible celing plus misfire with m2k was legendary.
how do these melee video essays keep getting higher and higher quality??
Anyone who has watched as long as I have knows plup is the unmentioned god. Plup when hes playing hot is unstoppable. Hes probably been the best player in the world at times. His statistics might not show it exactly but his skill level does. If he was weak in one area it would be clutching out the finish.
What is the name of the song that plays at the 9:00 min mark?
Anyone have a source on all of the music used?
8:30 why do you show up on screen for like 1 frame
Gotta keep you on your toes
Das sum gud shiet. You got a subscriber maing. 👌
I will take this man and make him shine.
good stuff! keen to watch :) also hey
Although i really like Mario a little bit more than luigi, i still think that Luigi is really cool and wacky in a funny way
loved the comparison of getting wobbled.
Awkward handshake at 2:54
Hey what song was playing during this?
Music list please !
I would like to know what's the song at around 9:00
Did you find the outro by any chances?
@@MrKynzer nope sorry, and shazam didn't either
I eventually did it!, it's "pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of the sky primal dialga music"
@@MrKynzer it really doesn't have anything to do with the timesamp I mentionned before ?
Actually my bad, you were looking for the outro, I missread your comment
Plup is an honorary god of Smash
Wow great video keep up the great work
Maybe in the future make the background music a bit quieter. The Pokemon music was a bit distracting. Amazing video though
no, midtier is when you can't win a SUPER MAJOR. not just any tournament. but honestly amazing video thanks
GRATS ON 100k VIEWS BABY!!
whats the song at 9:00?
It’s penny’s theme from pokemon scarlet and violet
ua-cam.com/video/yUw36wY8fMw/v-deo.htmlsi=YtN8sYkvLsV8nXjx
Why do I recognize the music in this? What's it from?
Luigi is still a character I believe that is on the same level as Yoshi, they just need that god gamer to pick them up. Sure Marth and Falco are really hard but I don't see either as THAT bad. I do kind of have the wish that Melee is alive long enough that a Luigi, DK, and Samus can all have their time in the sun but we will just have to see if that is possible
I will only be satisfied with Melee's death after a Luigi & Samus major win and a DK & YL top 8
whats song at 9:15