I always hated the Holiday Restriction because there's shit that's locked like the Garden Bristles which is just a beard, or the entire Mad Doktor set, but they add shit like the Flame Warrior which is somehow not locked under Halloween.
I never understood why the Terracotta Trooper set is Halloween restricted. It's not my favorite set, but it doesn't really stand out from "normal" cosmetics.
Venice feels like a DOD:S map to me, I can't even really describe it in any way other than that, that's just the vibe I get from it. Honestly I quite like the map, I feel kinda nostalgic despite never playing on it before, I can't hate it. With that said, it does NOT belong in TF2, it just doesn't work.
despite the general opinion on saxton hale as a gamemode. The way it handled in a marketable way is very horrible, if 2015 valve or before ever decided to add saxton hale as a fun little alt gamemode, they would've done an SFM, an update website, specific achievements, and proper handling. The fact that the game hit 250K+ players in an instant without clear release date of the update and the usual "holiday 20xx" crap promotion is crazy. If valve promoted it well, 300~400K players peak isn't hard to grasp, at least in my eyes.
Yea im amazed they didn't hype up VSH mode more, I mean its a golden opportunity to help prop up the update as being something more than just another holiday sized update....weather ot not thats actually the case. Granted seeing how it was broken for quite a bit after launch maybe it was for the best.
We have a lot to thank you for getting some actual good items this update and I don't care what anyone says. I don't give a fuck how people in the "community" see you, I have been playing since 2014 and you're the closest to the original spirit of TF2 from that time that we can get from a TF2 UA-camr right now.
The thing with bots and cheaters is there really is no way to get rid of them for good. TF2 is free, making new Steam accounts is easy. This isn't an excuse for Valve letting it get as bad as it was at its peak, but players expecting the issue to be 'fixed' forever are delusional. The best we can get is sporadic bot fix updates that temporarily break bots every once in a while for a short time. The last big bot fix update actually did cut down on how many bots I personally run into in NA servers to like 20% as often as before. They only show up once or twice a night (granted I only play for like 2 hours a day average). Its worse late at night and in Australian servers specifically I hear, because the bots can get a majority while most players are offline and just lock down servers for hours. But outside of those cases its a lot better than it used to be. Not perfect, but it never will be. Valve needs to do a targeted bot killer update on Aussie servers, or do some major data collection on the botters and cheaters and mass ban them all at once or something to dissuade them. Most will come back though. But it might make the issue more bearable for a short time.
Shounic showcased some private servers coming up with scripts to detect bots, and I am stupidly optimistic for thinking the rating that appears at the end of the match could be used to train an anticheat model as in CS:GO. All of this, of course, requires Valve to put some effort aside from the accounting department :)
Years ago when I was younger I would have hated this video but now? I agree with everything you said, however I am of the more extreme opinion that cosmetics, the workshop, F2P and the community are what truly ruined TF2. Cosmetics can cause server lag and are just nauseating to look at (worst is that there is no "Disable Cosmetics" option, the workshop allows users to create the most utter garbage looking of cosmetics, F2P results in a massive wave of bots and hackers and finally the community who most often encourages all of this. At this point I genuinely believe TF2 will never be good unless it is reworked straight from the ground up with cosmetics being completely removed. TF2 is meant to be a class based shooter where players battle over territory, flags, payloads, etc in a casual or competitive nature. Not a god damn dress up simulator infested with bots.
I think adding VSH was good because the community server versions of Saxton Hale have become utter dogshit. Horrible balance changes, bad additional bosses, etc... The Vscript version isn't perfect, and TinyRock is a fucking horrible VSH map, but what's in the game now is infinitely better than what's running on Skial or elsewhere. You might have had a point if the original version that used to run on Intox's servers was still around, but it isn't. That being said, the new version has some weird balancing that should probably be addressed. Heavy's minigun does 40% less damage, sentries do 50% less damage, Wrangler doesn't work on sentries, these balance changes suck. It makes both classes pretty much useless and at the mercy of Hale not noticing them and murdering them immediately. Meanwhile, Demoknight, medic, and katana soldier are insane compared to any other strategy, like why does Medic get 50% uber with ubersaw, and why does he take 30% less damage while nobody else does? Regardless, it doesn't matter because a good Hale will win every time without fail due to the new version's insane mobility of spamming super jump to prevent most classes from landing hits. Super jump spam with weigh-down is horrendously broken because Hale doesn't have any cooldowns for it. So while balance is not great, it is still much better than pulling out the massive changelog where every single weapon is crazy and insane and does 1000 different things like it is on Skial. So, as long as they tweak the balance changes they did (basically removing half of them), I think the official VSH will be good enough to keep players coming back. Skial and Disc.FF are pretty much the only ones in the rat race for Saxton Hale servers nowadays, so I would much rather have the Vscript version always available to get in some games with players on casual than the completely mutated version that's on those two servers, because it is infinitely worse. They just need to undo the nerfs they gave Engie and Heavy and probably limit Hale a little on mobility and it should be good.
Thing with melee is though, Hale gets demoman swords' range on top of his speed. And TF2 got this weird thing of aggressor's advantage when it comes to melee, which means, thanks to hale's speed and range, means he will often outrange everyone, up until someone hits him first and halts his movement one way or another. You can go on a rampage as Hale, but once you get pushed into the wall by a demoknight or zatoichi soldier you have to pull out one of your abilities like charge or the ground pound. It's a massive gamble for both sides honestly to use melee, yet melee is the most effective way to damage hale when bullets do barely anything to Hale.
I think about the Saxton Hale mode. I'm fine playing it every summer, but I don't want to play it every day because it will lose the excitement. It's like eating lasagne every day, and you'll slowly get tired of it.
Meanwhile I myself, don't want it locked to a season. I can restrict myself on my own already and don't need someone else to restrict access to a mdoe for me, especially to a specific time in whole-ass year.
I said the same thing about unusual plumber's cap with coins. I did unbox a mountain halo chilled chilling. I sold it off and wanna save pure for a Logo that will come from after this update.
1:12:10, i disagree. Bots are predictable and stupid and are easy to stickytrap or bombrush with fists of steel bc they walk twords your spawn. 5k sniper main has gamesense
This is a weird take for me to say, but... The Biker set for Heavy, it looks cool, though... Idk, it almost as if he looks less Russian. I would see that set more on an American biker than a Russian. It may just be my eyes, idk.
uncletopia is full of try-hards & I hate the dumbed down changes like no random crits & class limits, I'd rather deal with closet cheaters in casual than play on uncletopia period. only merit it has for me is that they allow mods
Why would they remove it lol. This isn't a holiday update with holiday specific maps, this is a normal update with normal maps. They should stay and I expect them to
Same, honestly. Especially the flank left of red's spawn on last. Most people focus on the lift and more often then some random pyro, heavy or soldier flanking from that side can cause enough issues for red to be unable to defend as effectively.
I think you're on the right track but I think the problem you have is that you put too much poison into what you say which makes your sensible opinions more divisive then they really ought to be. Saying that the #savetf2 movement is too much of a hug box and that the way people went about it was wrong and ineffective is a sensible opinion, saying that All the people who were a part of the movement were just looking clout chase and grift isn't.
I never said that. Those words never came out of my mouth, nor were ever typed. I only said some people were using it as a mean to get clout/grift, not all.
@@zestyalt ah I see, well that might be true, but again this is just how I rationalize the hatred you get, a lot of it can't be really undone sadly considering the types of people that hate you
TylerMcVicker is not a reliable source for information, he is a clout chaser. Richard Lewis has made plenty of segments dedicated to him in his videos explaining why, just know that he is by no means a journalist or cares about accuracy of reporting and mostly bases his stuff on heresay
The 4 bullets that will be put into the gun when you reload. His viewmodel has a high FOV, so what should have been hidden (the bullets) become visible.
Some opinions on the Maps, I do *have to* agree here. Yes some may be Beautiful but play not well? Other's may look like shit but play fairly decent. Other's are well, just garbage and rather fits like in something like Community Server's or TF2C with GRN and YLW Teams..
47:00 dude, a demoman in that spot can control the entire point. takes a bit of attention covering your right side while simultaneously defending, but hopefully you have casual teammates with a collective IQ of at least 200.
Saxton hales lines are horrible, I agree with that. But the mercs voices are pretty good. Their voice lines too. They’re tough sounding. They’re deeper and more aggressive. It suits them perfectly.
I have an idea for a sniper nerf. Similar to the sniper rifles in BioShock infinite or fallout 4. we give the sniper a few seconds of steady aim in use of a little bar when ran out his gun starts drifting and the shots are in accurate. The bar can be replenished by unscopeing or waiting 10 seconds.
That is pointless, the isue with sniper is quick-scopes, sniper can kill you faster than you can reac, giving sniper a penalty for scoping for to long solves nothing when the isue is quick scope shots
33:32 I am old player. A lot older they you. I like Badwater and Upward. For mvm friends drag me to whatever. I do not care about under performing, but I like to use new strategies/weapons in known environment. In unknown I stick to the one I know. W+M1 pyro. geology is not mass behavior. Read more about Hari Seldon.
Honestly I hated pretty much all of the maps from the update, maybe its just cause i ate shit non stop but genuinely i dont remeber having any positive experiences, also fuck your seal map its just invasion but the gimmick works, on a worse map. Venice is the worst offender overall tho, only redeeming quality is that draw bridge I find it neat jumping across it.
![[TF2] Weapons Ruined by One Stat](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/11xq4kog79I/mqdefault.jpg)
17:05
Random Valve staff gets interested in TF2, looks at it's spaghetti code than goes right back to pretending to be working on a VR game
I always hated the Holiday Restriction because there's shit that's locked like the Garden Bristles which is just a beard, or the entire Mad Doktor set, but they add shit like the Flame Warrior which is somehow not locked under Halloween.
I never understood why the Terracotta Trooper set is Halloween restricted. It's not my favorite set, but it doesn't really stand out from "normal" cosmetics.
Venice feels like a DOD:S map to me, I can't even really describe it in any way other than that, that's just the vibe I get from it.
Honestly I quite like the map, I feel kinda nostalgic despite never playing on it before, I can't hate it. With that said, it does NOT belong in TF2, it just doesn't work.
despite the general opinion on saxton hale as a gamemode.
The way it handled in a marketable way is very horrible, if 2015 valve or before ever decided to add saxton hale as a fun little alt gamemode, they would've done an SFM, an update website, specific achievements, and proper handling.
The fact that the game hit 250K+ players in an instant without clear release date of the update and the usual "holiday 20xx" crap promotion is crazy.
If valve promoted it well, 300~400K players peak isn't hard to grasp, at least in my eyes.
Yea im amazed they didn't hype up VSH mode more, I mean its a golden opportunity to help prop up the update as being something more than just another holiday sized update....weather ot not thats actually the case. Granted seeing how it was broken for quite a bit after launch maybe it was for the best.
Oh boy
>he doesn't know
Zesty my son
Mohammad rajab wali pfp lol
You are grown man now
We have a lot to thank you for getting some actual good items this update and I don't care what anyone says. I don't give a fuck how people in the "community" see you, I have been playing since 2014 and you're the closest to the original spirit of TF2 from that time that we can get from a TF2 UA-camr right now.
The thing with bots and cheaters is there really is no way to get rid of them for good. TF2 is free, making new Steam accounts is easy. This isn't an excuse for Valve letting it get as bad as it was at its peak, but players expecting the issue to be 'fixed' forever are delusional. The best we can get is sporadic bot fix updates that temporarily break bots every once in a while for a short time.
The last big bot fix update actually did cut down on how many bots I personally run into in NA servers to like 20% as often as before. They only show up once or twice a night (granted I only play for like 2 hours a day average). Its worse late at night and in Australian servers specifically I hear, because the bots can get a majority while most players are offline and just lock down servers for hours. But outside of those cases its a lot better than it used to be. Not perfect, but it never will be.
Valve needs to do a targeted bot killer update on Aussie servers, or do some major data collection on the botters and cheaters and mass ban them all at once or something to dissuade them. Most will come back though. But it might make the issue more bearable for a short time.
Shounic showcased some private servers coming up with scripts to detect bots, and I am stupidly optimistic for thinking the rating that appears at the end of the match could be used to train an anticheat model as in CS:GO. All of this, of course, requires Valve to put some effort aside from the accounting department :)
This aged like fine wine
Years ago when I was younger I would have hated this video but now? I agree with everything you said, however I am of the more extreme opinion that cosmetics, the workshop, F2P and the community are what truly ruined TF2.
Cosmetics can cause server lag and are just nauseating to look at (worst is that there is no "Disable Cosmetics" option, the workshop allows users to create the most utter garbage looking of cosmetics, F2P results in a massive wave of bots and hackers and finally the community who most often encourages all of this.
At this point I genuinely believe TF2 will never be good unless it is reworked straight from the ground up with cosmetics being completely removed. TF2 is meant to be a class based shooter where players battle over territory, flags, payloads, etc in a casual or competitive nature. Not a god damn dress up simulator infested with bots.
5:15 Vindication nation let's go baby!
May all the workshop drudge creators FOREVER and EVER cope and SEETH over the big bad Zesty being right 😎
worksloppers malding rn
Worksloppers when their color bombs and funny objects on heads don't get added to the game 😭😭😭😭😭
I think adding VSH was good because the community server versions of Saxton Hale have become utter dogshit. Horrible balance changes, bad additional bosses, etc... The Vscript version isn't perfect, and TinyRock is a fucking horrible VSH map, but what's in the game now is infinitely better than what's running on Skial or elsewhere. You might have had a point if the original version that used to run on Intox's servers was still around, but it isn't.
That being said, the new version has some weird balancing that should probably be addressed. Heavy's minigun does 40% less damage, sentries do 50% less damage, Wrangler doesn't work on sentries, these balance changes suck. It makes both classes pretty much useless and at the mercy of Hale not noticing them and murdering them immediately. Meanwhile, Demoknight, medic, and katana soldier are insane compared to any other strategy, like why does Medic get 50% uber with ubersaw, and why does he take 30% less damage while nobody else does? Regardless, it doesn't matter because a good Hale will win every time without fail due to the new version's insane mobility of spamming super jump to prevent most classes from landing hits. Super jump spam with weigh-down is horrendously broken because Hale doesn't have any cooldowns for it. So while balance is not great, it is still much better than pulling out the massive changelog where every single weapon is crazy and insane and does 1000 different things like it is on Skial.
So, as long as they tweak the balance changes they did (basically removing half of them), I think the official VSH will be good enough to keep players coming back. Skial and Disc.FF are pretty much the only ones in the rat race for Saxton Hale servers nowadays, so I would much rather have the Vscript version always available to get in some games with players on casual than the completely mutated version that's on those two servers, because it is infinitely worse. They just need to undo the nerfs they gave Engie and Heavy and probably limit Hale a little on mobility and it should be good.
hearing you mention intox made me super nostalgic holy shit
Thing with melee is though, Hale gets demoman swords' range on top of his speed. And TF2 got this weird thing of aggressor's advantage when it comes to melee, which means, thanks to hale's speed and range, means he will often outrange everyone, up until someone hits him first and halts his movement one way or another.
You can go on a rampage as Hale, but once you get pushed into the wall by a demoknight or zatoichi soldier you have to pull out one of your abilities like charge or the ground pound.
It's a massive gamble for both sides honestly to use melee, yet melee is the most effective way to damage hale when bullets do barely anything to Hale.
After all these years, We finally Got New Zealandium Weapons!!!
lol I was just thinking about getting one of them shiny silver skins and naming it that
The mic quality is actually super nostalgic for me
I think about the Saxton Hale mode. I'm fine playing it every summer, but I don't want to play it every day because it will lose the excitement. It's like eating lasagne every day, and you'll slowly get tired of it.
You could literally just play it whenever you wanted since like: 2013-14
@@rbstat6946 If you're talking about community vsh then yes I can but there are so much plugins I prefer vanilla tf2
you can very easily just not queue for it. it's not that hard to do
Meanwhile I myself, don't want it locked to a season. I can restrict myself on my own already and don't need someone else to restrict access to a mdoe for me, especially to a specific time in whole-ass year.
52:57 LET'S GO MOM CAM!!!!
God i miss cp_freight
My only problem with the update is that I cant play the update because of how many bots there are.
1:04:00 "Find C" is crazy work
"Is there a sign?" Literally looking at B on the wall in two different spots xD
I said the same thing about unusual plumber's cap with coins. I did unbox a mountain halo chilled chilling. I sold it off and wanna save pure for a Logo that will come from after this update.
Phoenix is good actually
Ive played cp_freight maybe like 3 or 4 times throughout my nearly 5000 hours in the game
1:43:00 start of the video.
yeah baby! I bought extra warpaint cases to show my support when they first came out.
Zesty out here doing gods work. Never stop please
1:12:10, i disagree. Bots are predictable and stupid and are easy to stickytrap or bombrush with fists of steel bc they walk twords your spawn. 5k sniper main has gamesense
the bots can shoot stickybombs and if youre infront of their face youre getting crit with a melee swing.
This is a weird take for me to say, but... The Biker set for Heavy, it looks cool, though... Idk, it almost as if he looks less Russian. I would see that set more on an American biker than a Russian. It may just be my eyes, idk.
looking at the bushman now it amazes me that no ones made a cosmetic that just removes snipers vest.
I love Pastel Trance, best Taunt effect they've added in the game.
I love the shrapnel shell because I can make my demoman feel like a space marine or a juggernaut
I hate how everyone rags on you for critiquing the workshop items, when you just want good items in the game, keep up your work!
3:30 I’m pretty sure there’s a few, right? hazard warning comes to mind
YES
I watched the beginning of it but I have been busy so I couldn't see all of it and was waiting to watch the rest
45:45 looks like the honest hearts dlc from fallout new vegas
uncletopia is full of try-hards & I hate the dumbed down changes like no random crits & class limits, I'd rather deal with closet cheaters in casual than play on uncletopia period. only merit it has for me is that they allow mods
cashworks last has some fun flank routes i will give it that
So, which map(s) do you guys believe are going to remain after the update is finished ?
Im hoping all of them.
Why would they remove it lol. This isn't a holiday update with holiday specific maps, this is a normal update with normal maps. They should stay and I expect them to
@@godaberi my faith for valve has plummeted
@@Starlit_Juno They've kept maps from the past updates
Dang, still lookin great.
bots now control the summer content lmao
I personally believe that the flanks on the last point of Phoenix help a lot. I have never felt like it was impossible to push the last point.
Same, honestly. Especially the flank left of red's spawn on last. Most people focus on the lift and more often then some random pyro, heavy or soldier flanking from that side can cause enough issues for red to be unable to defend as effectively.
I'm happy this was the first live stream that I've not missed for once
i hadn't played since '16. having fun here again. unfortunately also frustration.
Zesty would be more agreeable if he hadn't such a weird habbit of doing a theatric villan speech about all of his oppionions that he is wrong on.
what
You can't be wrong about an opinion, that's why it's an opinion. Sorry, "oppionion."
Oppinions can be wrong if based of faulty logic and facts@@evdestroy5304
Can we have normal subtitles instead of the auto generated ones, please?
I think you're on the right track but I think the problem you have is that you put too much poison into what you say which makes your sensible opinions more divisive then they really ought to be.
Saying that the #savetf2 movement is too much of a hug box and that the way people went about it was wrong and ineffective is a sensible opinion, saying that All the people who were a part of the movement were just looking clout chase and grift isn't.
I never said that. Those words never came out of my mouth, nor were ever typed. I only said some people were using it as a mean to get clout/grift, not all.
@@zestyalt ah I see, well that might be true, but again this is just how I rationalize the hatred you get, a lot of it can't be really undone sadly considering the types of people that hate you
I like your videos. This concept is nice. I believe it suits you. Also it is good for like style "report" what is going on. Keep on rolling
TylerMcVicker is not a reliable source for information, he is a clout chaser. Richard Lewis has made plenty of segments dedicated to him in his videos explaining why, just know that he is by no means a journalist or cares about accuracy of reporting and mostly bases his stuff on heresay
Is there a list of mods that you use?
What are the things that appear when zesty takes out the shortstop?
The 4 bullets that will be put into the gun when you reload. His viewmodel has a high FOV, so what should have been hidden (the bullets) become visible.
I HAAATE UNCLtopia servers so much
I got banned for 40 years for using an alt
1:38:27 yooo San Antonio gang!!! the heat does suck
And no one plays custom maps unless it's cp_orange or some weird meme mode like zombies.
No way there’s people that haven’t played Freight or Coldfront what the fuck
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Some opinions on the Maps, I do *have to* agree here. Yes some may be Beautiful but play not well? Other's may look like shit but play fairly decent. Other's are well, just garbage and rather fits like in something like Community Server's or TF2C with GRN and YLW Teams..
47:00 dude, a demoman in that spot can control the entire point. takes a bit of attention covering your right side while simultaneously defending, but hopefully you have casual teammates with a collective IQ of at least 200.
I love the new warpaints. I already changed half my loadout with the new ones :)
Catwalk still not in the game.
Saxton hales lines are horrible, I agree with that.
But the mercs voices are pretty good. Their voice lines too. They’re tough sounding. They’re deeper and more aggressive. It suits them perfectly.
vsh still crashes for me
All of zesty enemies are mentally ill, you already won
I have an idea for a sniper nerf.
Similar to the sniper rifles in BioShock infinite or fallout 4. we give the sniper a few seconds of steady aim in use of a little bar when ran out his gun starts drifting and the shots are in accurate. The bar can be replenished by unscopeing or waiting 10 seconds.
This solves nothing
That is pointless, the isue with sniper is quick-scopes, sniper can kill you faster than you can reac, giving sniper a penalty for scoping for to long solves nothing when the isue is quick scope shots
@@DiegoGrosso828 ok cool
So bad literally go against charge shot while ignore quick scope
i fucking hate sway, i disagree with this just on a comfort level
Heath mesua
Why you gotta keep bullying Gingerbread Winner?
Don't care still like flame warrior
33:32 I am old player. A lot older they you. I like Badwater and Upward. For mvm friends drag me to whatever. I do not care about under performing, but I like to use new strategies/weapons in known environment. In unknown I stick to the one I know. W+M1 pyro. geology is not mass behavior. Read more about Hari Seldon.
Dude is bringing Isaac Asimov into a tf2 update overview
Yep, I am that kinda dude :-D @@konstantinrezvoi
disagreed ith like 80% of your opinions on the taunts and emotes and especially cosmetics but thats why its called an opinion
Based Zesty
Honestly I hated pretty much all of the maps from the update, maybe its just cause i ate shit non stop but genuinely i dont remeber having any positive experiences, also fuck your seal map its just invasion but the gimmick works, on a worse map. Venice is the worst offender overall tho, only redeeming quality is that draw bridge I find it neat jumping across it.
Zesty gets flamed, so redditors can feel safe
This guy is very negative
ture
Glizzy sus vibe