"a demo of this thing in a heavier context, but have just been met with an endless stream of videos playing blue-rock leads!" yeah those what I've found. This is very good content!!
Just wanted to drop in and say thank you for making this video! I’ve been looking for a pedal that gives more of the uncontrollable feedback and I thought this pedal would do that but I couldn’t find a single video that was more metal focused. Thanks again!
For a while I’ve just been using a sample I recorded of real feedback from my rectifier whenever I needed feedback for my songs. I would love a pedal or vst or amp sim function with uncontrollable feedback but the drone section sounded freaking incredible.
Thank you mate! And I do the same thing when I need that uncontrollable feedback Maybe one day guitar plugins will get there but it seems like a small niche use case
it reminds me of the boss feedbacker i had as a kid... but like, without having to step on it to make it do it, and with way more natural feedback/sustain. very cool.
It does something really unique, which is always the most fun to spend your money on (not that I don't always enjoy buying *another* distortion pedal!)
honestly when the phoenix in flight and sleipnir's breath riffs nailed, absolutely convinced me on getting one even if i do have a 612 after my fm3, will just be easier live and recording demos
@@blackmetalbreadstick I do I keep it on latch mode (so momentary off) I keep the gain low so that it doesn't overtake the dry signal. About 9-10 o'clock for that demo Onset I keep a little longer, so it only kicks in on held notes and chords. About 2-3 o'clock "Nat hi" mode produces the most overtones so I usually keep it on that mode unless I'm playing drone Hope that helps!
Thanks man! It's definitely a good shout for skramz if you're all in the box Like I say, it won't do the crazy out of control thing, but it gives so much life to held notes
This is exactly what i wanted. I'm not sure there is any chance to purchase this pedal in my country but I will try my best to find one or I will fucking create by my own
Thanks for this helpful video. Currently I'm using plugins only and this pedal is exactly what I needed but didn't know about. BTW your music taste makes great sense for the review as I like drone/crust/chaotic hc stuff and blasting some Title Fight too
Really great review and exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for that! I assume could "fake" the wild uncontrollable feedback using this pedal and tracking by doing multiple takes of feedback (at various intervals) and working them in-between the pauses -- so in that way it would be cool for studio use...but def doesn't seem like you could pull it off live...which sucks...but still...everything else about this pedal is so cool that it's probably still seems worth it. Cheers!
Thank you very much! You could definitely give it a whirl cutting feedback together (in fact I've tried it myself since) I'll be honest, it doesn't sound very realistic to me. It's got a very different character to the sound than you'd get with a loud amp in the room This thing really is only well suited to that harmonic sustaining style of feedback
I only ever record at home, at very low volume, so this pedal is my "always-on" pedal, but I use it in a more, subtle way. Gain at about 10 o'clock, Onset at about 2-3 o'clock and the Feedback type set to Natural Low. This way, I get great sustaining feedback when I let notes ring out, but it doesn't overtake the sound. I have two boards, so I have two of these pedals. Oh, I love the Sunn O))) tribute. Yep, one of my favorites and this pedal does it well.
@@-jank-willson It's not a distortion or overdrive pedal at all. It creates sustain and feedback, so that when you sustain a note, it transitions into a higher harmonic and "freezes" the note, so it sounds like you are standing in front of a loud amp and getting real feedback.
@@davelanciani-dimaensionx yeah no duh its not distortion or overdrive 🙄🙄 on green day 'brain stew', there is a guitar part with insanely plunky screetchy feedback, probably natural feedback from standing in front of an amp. but i want to recreate this sound for computer recording. so i was wondering if this pedal could do it
Thanks man, I'm trying to recreate the Sunn Life Metal gear setup in the box Line 6 Helix now includes a Model T (which sounds pretty cool) but I shot this video before it was released so I subbed in an Ampeg 4VB First thing is a low octave. I'm just using the stock Logic Dr Octave pedal -- sounds a bit like a Boss OC-2, kinda analogue and glitchy which I love. Any basic monophonic octave pedal should get you there Most important element (even more than a Model T) is a good ProCo Rat-style pedal. I'm using the TSE R47 with the gain ripped wide open. It gives you this slewed, fuzzy distortion that's so integral to that sound -- fun fact, the Sunn/Earthquaker Life Pedal is an analogue octave into a modded Rat circuit I'm then going into the ChowDSP Chow Centaur -- a really awesome, free Klon Centaur emulation. It does the Klon thing really well, helps even out some of the gain on the long held chords and pushes the mids in a very particular way That goes into two amps running in parallel in Amplitube 5. I don't normally rate Amplitube -- the gain and the mid-range have always sounded really fake to me but it does okay here. One amp is an Ampeg 4VB (which is typically used as a bass amp) to give that massive low-end rumble Then the other amp is a Fender Twin. I'm running the treble high and the spring reverb all the way up. Gives a bit of a sparkle when you first hit the notes. I'm just blending that in subtly. Then it's just EQ, bit of compression and some hall reverb from Logic's ChromaVerb. Job's a good 'un
Man I hate to bother about this again but can you please explain how you got your drone tone? It's so similar to the tone on the Life Metal album and I'm having a hard time getting close.
No worries man, I actually explained it in another comment so copy and pasting here, good luck with it! First thing is a low octave. I'm just using the stock Logic Dr Octave pedal -- sounds a bit like a Boss OC-2, kinda analogue and glitchy which I love Most important element (even more than a Model T) is a good ProCo Rat-style pedal. I'm using the TSE R47 with the gain ripped wide open. It gives you this slewed, fuzzy distortion that's so integral to that sound -- fun fact, the Sunn/Earthquaker Life Pedal is an analogue octave into a modded Rat circuit I'm then going into the ChowDSP Chow Centaur -- a really awesome, free Klon Centaur emulation. It does the Klon thing really well, helps even out some of the gain on the long held chords and pushes the mids in a very particular way That goes into two amps running in parallel in Amplitube 5. I don't normally rate Amplitube -- the gain and the mid-range have always sounded really fake to me but it does okay here. One amp is an Ampeg 4VB (which is typically used as a bass amp) to give that massive low-end rumble Then the other amp is a Fender Twin. I'm running the treble high and the spring reverb all the way up. Gives a bit of a sparkle when you first hit the notes. I'm just blending that in subtly. Then it's just EQ, bit of compression and some hall reverb from Logic's ChromaVerb. Job's a good 'un
Hey Adam? Could you do a video showing the exact settings you used? Really liked what you were doing on the song where you are wearing the hoodie. Thanks for making this vid, was nice to see someone who's into heavy music using this pedal. I'm still trying to find my niche with this pedal, I just got one!
Thanks man! For most of the video I'm using the Natural Hi mode, with Gain at roughly 10 o'clock -- too high and it starts to sound fake Onset for the other two songs was on about 10 o'clock. But for the drone song where I'm in the hoodie the onset is cranked all the way Then I'm quad-tracking. One set of double as Natural High mode, one set of doubles with the 1st Harmonic mode Both gain at 10 o'clock, onset at max
@@AdamTrain Sweet! Thanks for the info, I will give this a go!! I was hoping to be able to do something similar to the beginning of Slayer's 'Raining Blood' eerie wails? So far no luck on that, my results have been more like extended lead notes that sound more hard rock-ish (which is great too, but not exactly the ominous thing I was wanting, but with practice, I think cool to add to my repertoire).
Great video! You mentioned different tones for different feedback types. I'm mostly interested in playing drone with this pedal. Would you mind elaborating on this?
Thanks man! Of course. I meant that drone, for example, needs the pedal to continue feeding back endlessly. So all your standard rules apply there: lots of gain to give you some compression, no/loose noise gates to avoid chocking the feedback. And, for the drone stuff, I found adding octave up and down effects to the tone really helped fill out the 'wall of sound' thing With drone I also found quad tracking was really helpful. I did the first set of guitars on the "1st" mode which just extends the fundamental note indefinitely. And then another set on the "Nat hi" mode to give them some life and movement Which is all very different to the more straightforward punk and metal tones I dialled in for the rest of the video. Which were more about lower gain and gates to keep the feedback out of the way until you need it
For the Sunn-style jam: First thing is a low octave. I'm just using the stock Logic Dr Octave pedal -- sounds a bit like a Boss OC-2, kinda analogue and glitchy which I love. Any basic monophonic octave pedal should get you there Most important element (even more than a Model T) is a good ProCo Rat-style pedal. I'm using the TSE R47 with the gain ripped wide open. It gives you this slewed, fuzzy distortion that's so integral to that sound -- the Sunn/Earthquaker Life Pedal is an analogue octave into a modded Rat circuit.If TSE R47 doesn't work on newer systems, the Nembrini NA Black is also pretty good. I'm then going into the ChowDSP Chow Centaur -- a really awesome, free Klon Centaur emulation. It does the Klon thing really well, helps even out some of the gain on the long held chords and pushes the mids in a very particular way That goes into two amps running in parallel in Amplitube 5. I don't normally rate Amplitube -- the gain and the mid-range have always sounded really fake to me but it does okay here. One amp is an Ampeg 4VB (which is typically used as a bass amp) to give that massive low-end rumble Then the other amp is a Fender Twin. I'm running the treble high and the spring reverb all the way up. Gives a bit of a sparkle when you first hit the notes. I'm just blending that in subtly. Then it's just EQ, bit of compression and some hall reverb from Logic's ChromaVerb. Job's a good 'un
For the Converge tracks: Gentle low shelf cut, very wide at about 60Hz... the BKP Stockholm P90 pickups in my Wirebird are way bossier than the EMGs the Kurt was using in the Axe To Fall era SD-1 in to a JCM800 2203 (Kurt very often uses a JMP2204 which is functionally the same as the 50 watt JCM800). Unfortunately there aren't many 2204 models out there (Line 6 Helix has one but it's nothing like the real amp, their 2203 model is *much* better. For this demo I'm using Mercuriall Spark for the SD-1 and the JCM800. Cab is GGD Zilla cabs. I'm using the "Basketweave 4x12" with a Celestion cream back, mixed with an SM57. Blended in with the "Fat Baby 1x12" cab to give me some boxy midrange (Kurt's guitar tones are SUUUPER midrange-y). Then I'm quad tracking these parts. 2 tracks exactly as described above. 2 tracks with an added HM-2 pedal before the amp instead of the SD-1. Level, High and Low all on max. Distortion at about 10 o'clock. Hope that's useful!
Sick review, mate! However, I have one question, I heard that the pedal’s feedback cuts off after like 6-7 seconds and it’s not really infinite. Is it true? Do you achieve infinite drone when you combine freqout with other pedals?
It really depends on the rest of your chain and your hardware setup. It also seems to track some notes better than others For the infinite drone stuff I find putting it in "1st" mode seems to sustain the fundamental pretty much forever. But, because it's only giving you the fundamental, it's more like a sustainer than feedback If you put it in "Nat High" or "Nat Low" mode you'll get more harmonic feedback but it becomes a little unpredictable and can sometimes stop. For studio use I find layering can really help! As with any drone tones, plenty of gain is really helpful and adding some octave effects can help increase the realism of the feedback (because you just get more harmonics!) Might be hard to read but my signal chain should be on screen in the video!
I've tried it every which way really When you put the gain too high and the onset to quick it starts to sound really fake Because it really only does that kind of melodic feedback, putting the onset too quick sounds super fake Putting the gain too loud tends to separate the feedback from your guitar signal and again it sounds super unrealistic (any complexity in the signal just kind of goes and you're left with basically a sine wave) It also only really works when you hold a note. Whereas I associate that uncontrollable feedback with an amp being so loud it resonates my strings every time I let go of them The FreqOut doesn't do that: when you let go of the strings, it just stops! Incredible pedal, I love mine. But not a substitute for a loud amp!
Thanks man! At that point, I'm basically trying to recreate the Sunn O))) Life Metal tone as closely as possible in the box First thing is a low octave. I'm just using the stock Logic Dr Octave pedal -- sounds a bit like a Boss OC-2, kinda analogue and glitchy which I love Most important element (even more than a Model T) is a good ProCo Rat-style pedal. I'm using the TSE R47 with the gain ripped wide open. It gives you this slewed, fuzzy distortion that's so integral to that sound -- fun fact, the Sunn/Earthquaker Life Pedal is an analogue octave into a modded Rat circuit I'm then going into the ChowDSP Chow Centaur -- a really awesome, free Klon Centaur emulation. It does the Klon thing really well, helps even out some of the gain on the long held chords and pushes the mids in a very particular way That goes into two amps running in parallel in Amplitube 5. I don't normally rate Amplitube -- the gain and the mid-range have always sounded really fake to me but it does okay here. One amp is an Ampeg 4VB (which is typically used as a bass amp) to give that massive low-end rumble Then the other amp is a Fender Twin. I'm running the treble high and the spring reverb all the way up. Gives a bit of a sparkle when you first hit the notes. I'm just blending that in subtly. Then it's just EQ, bit of compression and some hall reverb from Logic's ChromaVerb. Job's a good 'un
thanks pal! The challenge is that the pedal just doesn't really do that uncontrollable feedback as a sound. I guess it's just that bit too complex If you turn the "speed" knob up fast enough, or use the momentary mode, you kind of just end up with harmonic chirps every time you stop playing. Doesn't really sound like feedback This pedal is all about the harmonic feedback and sustain
Hi man! Love the video, was looking to get this for that uncontrollable feedback you were talking about with HC music. Glad i saw this vid first :D Do you have an idea with which pedal i can create such uncontrollable feedback without changing the guitar tone too much? Still probably getting this pedal also though :D Thanks! Ruben
Hey Ruben, I'm stoked you liked it! I must admit I initially bought it for that wild feedback -- especially as me and my other half are working from home these days (was really hoping I could get some crazy feedback without disturbing her Zoom meetings!) That said, this thing has made its way permanently into my signal chain -- I feel like my guitar is missing something when I turn it off Honestly though, for that out of control feedback, I'm still yet to come across anything that comes close. Unfortunately no real substitute for turning an amp up, cranking the gain and standing in front of it
@@AdamTrain Yeah this one covers my needs for that organic feedback in between songs though so i'm definetely looking for one of these thanks to your vid! Will subscribe and keep an eye out for if you may find an alternative for that out of control feedback :D Keep it up and thanks again!
@@444dontperceive just had a butcher's. Really cool texture to the distortion! The demos I've seen look like it still doesn't do that out of control thing -- at least without some serious volume behind it!
this is great, but I don't get how are you producing the guitar tone? are you going through an amp and mic or just the pedal straight into audio interface with some vsts? thanks
From the pedal straight into my Audient iD22 The plugins for each section are shown on the computer screen behind me but the core of most of the tones is Neural DSP Fortin Cali and the GGD Studio Cabs Zilla IRs Hope that helps
Side note: Thanks so much for reviewing this in a heavier perspective. I was thinking of buying this purely for the uncontrollable feedback so I'm really glad I know it won't work before I buy it. Thanks for saving me the money and your thorough walkthrough! Definitely subbing
I want to buy a Freqout but the 6 sec cutout worries me. That amazing long long drone chord at 2:37 ? Is that just the freqout or is something else doing that? Basically I just want to do THAT but on a bass.
6 sec cutout? That chord at 2:37 is the FreqOut but we're quad tracking guitars there to make it sound huge. In that example I have the FreqOut set to begin feedback very quickly but with a low mix. As the chord decays you get a mix of note with feedback that creates that more natural drone It does kind of work on bass but not as well. First reason for me personally is just the amount of distortion (I'm going for more clank than OTT distortion... Your mileage may vary there) The other reason is to do with layering. To me, the FreqOut sounds most realistic when you double or quad track to create a wall of sound. I'm not super likely to do that with bass Worth a punt if the money is burning a hole in your pocket but it's not where I've had the best results... Again, your mileage may vary!
@@hourse1127 Sorry, mate, I'm not totally following what you mean? As mentioned in the review, this pedal doesn't really do uncontrolled feedback particularly well -- it's much more suited to that kind of harmonic sustaining style of feedback But if you let me know a timestamp, I can give you an idea of what I'm doing to get that particular sound
hi, i got this pedal too but the feedback always shrinked and stopped itself around 5 secs after the feedback started. Can you share how you made it non stop feedback? And how do you put this pedal into your pedal chain?
It's very dependent on your playing, how much gain you use and your setup (including noise gates) In the "1st" mode, it'll give you a drone that can quite easily last forever In "nat high" mode it's a little more unpredictable. I like to add a ton of gain with something like a Rat to get a little wild Pay attention to the "onset" and "gain" controls as well. If I'm doing low and slow stuff, I like them lower gain with a longer onset so the note naturally decays into feedback You also really have to hold down the note/chord to get it to ring out. If you pull up your fingers, it'll stop Finally, in studio work, I like to use a different tone for the feedback parts. More gain, more compressed, etc. That really helps (as does recording multiple passes) I run this second in my chain behind an analogue compressor (because otherwise I overload the input from picking too hard)
Great video of this man! Did you use it pre or post drive? I use it with a tensor directly post in the chain. Combined with the kill dry function on the freqout, you can get some really cool sounds.
Thanks man! I'm using it first thing in the chain and then directly into my Audient iD22 so pre drive -- did try it with Tubescreamer in front but it didn't really make much difference to my ears Interesting! I've not really messed about with using it for ambient sounds but sound like a really cool idea, especially with the Tensor
I actally use it for uncontrollable feedback believe in or not, do you use it in momentary mode? Makes me want to record a video just to show everybody how I use it. Btw you guitar tone is fucking monstrous!
I've tried momentary and latching but never been able to make the uncontrollable thing sound convincing Definitely would love to see a video demo! Thank you man!
@@AdamTrain hi! Here's a quick video on how I use freqout ua-cam.com/video/6wmaHHMc4cc/v-deo.html, might be not the most realistic sounding feedback, but I've been using it like this at live show for two years and no one told me to get my ass off the stage because of my fake ass feedback lol
Sir you remarked ..."It really,really makes me want to play guitar" When in fact, it is really encouraging you to NOT PLAY GUITAR....LOL...But I will give it to you that it is an excellent tool you can always use, should you have a need to overcome certain sustain issues inherent in electric guitars....I too have gone to lengths to overcome many of these same issues (I have used the fender runaway feed-backer pedal (discontinued)..(which is what your digitech is patterned after) various sustain ,freeze, ebow etc etc. but have now settled on the Sustainiac pickup/system that people like Joe Satriani and others use (these sustainor pickup system units are really the best when it comes to overall control of the sustain effect. ie: They are POLYPHONIC so you can use multiple simultaneous notes...in fact full chords, also you have far superior control over the magnetic field..It is also much more "vary-able" and "tweak-able" so if this is the sort of tool you really enjoy using you should really consider either the Sustainiac system or the Fernandez sustainer both are good, (more realistic sounding and behaving,.. and are vastly superior to the digitech pedal ..of coarse, these are more expensive and more dedicated systems....But really are the way to go if this is the sort of thing you plan on incorporating in your music.......Thank you for your post
I must admit, I've always thought of things like the Sustainiac as just for the super shred players but it's a good shout, especially if you can sustain chords Thank you for the tip!
The only good review of this pedal for what the target audience probably is. Thanks fo this!
Thanks pal, glad you found it useful!
This!!
During the closing demo, for a moment, I remembered what it was like to just play for the pure joy. Thank you for that.
Thank you so much, man
Hope you find that joy for your own playing again
"a demo of this thing in a heavier context, but have just been met with an endless stream of videos playing blue-rock leads!" yeah those what I've found. This is very good content!!
Thank you, hope it was useful!
Just wanted to drop in and say thank you for making this video! I’ve been looking for a pedal that gives more of the uncontrollable feedback and I thought this pedal would do that but I couldn’t find a single video that was more metal focused. Thanks again!
Glad I could help!
For a while I’ve just been using a sample I recorded of real feedback from my rectifier whenever I needed feedback for my songs. I would love a pedal or vst or amp sim function with uncontrollable feedback but the drone section sounded freaking incredible.
Thank you mate!
And I do the same thing when I need that uncontrollable feedback
Maybe one day guitar plugins will get there but it seems like a small niche use case
Worth it just to watch the closing demo.
Thank you mate!
This is so so sick. That end riff is so good! I’m buying one, let’s start a band
it reminds me of the boss feedbacker i had as a kid... but like, without having to step on it to make it do it, and with way more natural feedback/sustain. very cool.
this video is EXACTLY what i was looking for. thanks man.
No worries man, glad it was helpful!
Quickest subscribe button hit I ever did in my life! My band mate sent me this video and your demo is dynamite. 11/10.
Thank you mate!
As someone also with an Ebow and Superego, this was exactly what I needed to hear haha. Thanks!
Hi,which thing is better
It's 6 years later but I have to have this pedal.
It does something really unique, which is always the most fun to spend your money on
(not that I don't always enjoy buying *another* distortion pedal!)
You mentioned having an Ebow; and how it doesn’t do what the Freq does. Can you use it as an Ebow? Or Ebow adjacent type of tool?
The Sunn cover sold me. I want this now
My new favorite guitar channel
Thank you man!
I have one and TBH hadn't even thought if using it for chords! - so cheers for that
you're welcome, hope you get on well with it!
This is awesome! Enjoyed the drone
Thank you so much man!
honestly when the phoenix in flight and sleipnir's breath riffs nailed, absolutely convinced me on getting one even if i do have a 612 after my fm3, will just be easier live and recording demos
Never tried it live but I imagine it'll just make the feedback that much more controllable
Let me know how you get on!
I need this in my life
It's great fun, especially if you're moving over to plugins and miss the feeling of an amp in the room
@@AdamTrain what are some of your favorite settings? I love the pheonix in flight demo you did, do you remember the settings?
@@blackmetalbreadstick I do
I keep it on latch mode (so momentary off)
I keep the gain low so that it doesn't overtake the dry signal. About 9-10 o'clock for that demo
Onset I keep a little longer, so it only kicks in on held notes and chords. About 2-3 o'clock
"Nat hi" mode produces the most overtones so I usually keep it on that mode unless I'm playing drone
Hope that helps!
@@AdamTrain thanks man! It helps a ton!
It sounds huge!❤
Thanks man!
I can finally go off-stage mid-solo to get a beer refill while the notes keep on singing :)
Damn. That’s so good.
Thanks pal
Pedal sounded amazing and I loved the tunes too!
Thank you!
Pretty cool video man! I'm thinking about getting one of those, specially for skramz/ambient stuff. Your playing is sick too!
Thanks man! It's definitely a good shout for skramz if you're all in the box
Like I say, it won't do the crazy out of control thing, but it gives so much life to held notes
the best video about the power of the Freqout, thank you. hope Josh wont find this beast.
Thanks man!
I take it you're referring to "the JHS effect" 😄
embrace the BRUUUUUUUM!!!!!! damned to doom.
cheers!
🫡
Excellent video 😁!
Thanks man!
BwooOOOooommm)))
Sick dude, dig it!
Thank you so much man!
Does it go first in your chain or after fuzz, distortion? Great demo! Subscribed
Awesome review, looking at this to get the tone from Parking Lot by Mineral
Killer demo! 🤘🏽😈🤘🏽
Thank you!
Excellent video. Thanks!
I have one, and am excited about using it with a xotic blender pedal to create some awesome extra tube sag.
Thank you mate!
That sounds like a rad combination
This is exactly what i wanted. I'm not sure there is any chance to purchase this pedal in my country but I will try my best to find one or I will fucking create by my own
Thanks for this helpful video. Currently I'm using plugins only and this pedal is exactly what I needed but didn't know about.
BTW your music taste makes great sense for the review as I like drone/crust/chaotic hc stuff and blasting some Title Fight too
Can it do the green day 'brain stew' and Queen 'we will rock you' guitar solo sound??
It can do the infinite sustain thing you hear before the We Will Rock You chorus
Not totally sure what bit you're talking about from Brain Stew
If the guitarist looks like you, Imma die in that pit.
It's the quiet ones you gotta watch out for...
Really great review and exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for that! I assume could "fake" the wild uncontrollable feedback using this pedal and tracking by doing multiple takes of feedback (at various intervals) and working them in-between the pauses -- so in that way it would be cool for studio use...but def doesn't seem like you could pull it off live...which sucks...but still...everything else about this pedal is so cool that it's probably still seems worth it. Cheers!
Thank you very much!
You could definitely give it a whirl cutting feedback together (in fact I've tried it myself since)
I'll be honest, it doesn't sound very realistic to me. It's got a very different character to the sound than you'd get with a loud amp in the room
This thing really is only well suited to that harmonic sustaining style of feedback
Great review. We arnt all Pete Thorn and most just want to expand the soundscape. Which this pedal does!
Thanks man! It definitely gives you a unique tool, which are always the things I'm most drawn to
That was fun, new subscriber here 🤘🏼
Thank you so much!
dude, you look soooo happy playing at the end, its infectious!
Thanks mate, I just bloody love playing disgusting music!
very nice review.
Thank you very much!
@@AdamTrain No worries mate.
Dude…. Thank you.
You’re very welcome
Glad it was useful!
I only ever record at home, at very low volume, so this pedal is my "always-on" pedal, but I use it in a more, subtle way. Gain at about 10 o'clock, Onset at about 2-3 o'clock and the Feedback type set to Natural Low. This way, I get great sustaining feedback when I let notes ring out, but it doesn't overtake the sound. I have two boards, so I have two of these pedals. Oh, I love the Sunn O))) tribute. Yep, one of my favorites and this pedal does it well.
I've started using it almost exactly the same way! Just gives something a little extra on sustained notes without sounding obviously fake
Can it do the green day 'brain stew' and Queen 'we will rock you' guitar solo sound??
@@-jank-willson It's not a distortion or overdrive pedal at all. It creates sustain and feedback, so that when you sustain a note, it transitions into a higher harmonic and "freezes" the note, so it sounds like you are standing in front of a loud amp and getting real feedback.
@@davelanciani-dimaensionx yeah no duh its not distortion or overdrive 🙄🙄
on green day 'brain stew', there is a guitar part with insanely plunky screetchy feedback, probably natural feedback from standing in front of an amp. but i want to recreate this sound for computer recording. so i was wondering if this pedal could do it
@@-jank-willson oh, yeah, most likely it can! You can really get very natural sounding feedback.
I'm curious what plugins you were using for the drone demo? Sounded great!
Thanks man, I'm trying to recreate the Sunn Life Metal gear setup in the box
Line 6 Helix now includes a Model T (which sounds pretty cool) but I shot this video before it was released so I subbed in an Ampeg 4VB
First thing is a low octave. I'm just using the stock Logic Dr Octave pedal -- sounds a bit like a Boss OC-2, kinda analogue and glitchy which I love. Any basic monophonic octave pedal should get you there
Most important element (even more than a Model T) is a good ProCo Rat-style pedal. I'm using the TSE R47 with the gain ripped wide open. It gives you this slewed, fuzzy distortion that's so integral to that sound -- fun fact, the Sunn/Earthquaker Life Pedal is an analogue octave into a modded Rat circuit
I'm then going into the ChowDSP Chow Centaur -- a really awesome, free Klon Centaur emulation. It does the Klon thing really well, helps even out some of the gain on the long held chords and pushes the mids in a very particular way
That goes into two amps running in parallel in Amplitube 5. I don't normally rate Amplitube -- the gain and the mid-range have always sounded really fake to me but it does okay here. One amp is an Ampeg 4VB (which is typically used as a bass amp) to give that massive low-end rumble
Then the other amp is a Fender Twin. I'm running the treble high and the spring reverb all the way up. Gives a bit of a sparkle when you first hit the notes. I'm just blending that in subtly.
Then it's just EQ, bit of compression and some hall reverb from Logic's ChromaVerb. Job's a good 'un
Man I hate to bother about this again but can you please explain how you got your drone tone? It's so similar to the tone on the Life Metal album and I'm having a hard time getting close.
No worries man, I actually explained it in another comment so copy and pasting here, good luck with it!
First thing is a low octave. I'm just using the stock Logic Dr Octave pedal -- sounds a bit like a Boss OC-2, kinda analogue and glitchy which I love
Most important element (even more than a Model T) is a good ProCo Rat-style pedal. I'm using the TSE R47 with the gain ripped wide open. It gives you this slewed, fuzzy distortion that's so integral to that sound -- fun fact, the Sunn/Earthquaker Life Pedal is an analogue octave into a modded Rat circuit
I'm then going into the ChowDSP Chow Centaur -- a really awesome, free Klon Centaur emulation. It does the Klon thing really well, helps even out some of the gain on the long held chords and pushes the mids in a very particular way
That goes into two amps running in parallel in Amplitube 5. I don't normally rate Amplitube -- the gain and the mid-range have always sounded really fake to me but it does okay here. One amp is an Ampeg 4VB (which is typically used as a bass amp) to give that massive low-end rumble
Then the other amp is a Fender Twin. I'm running the treble high and the spring reverb all the way up. Gives a bit of a sparkle when you first hit the notes. I'm just blending that in subtly.
Then it's just EQ, bit of compression and some hall reverb from Logic's ChromaVerb. Job's a good 'un
you should make a vid of all those awesome tones you are getting
Thank you so much man!
There's no special tricks, just over 10 years of grafting and fucking up until it started to sound good!
Hey Adam? Could you do a video showing the exact settings you used? Really liked what you were doing on the song where you are wearing the hoodie. Thanks for making this vid, was nice to see someone who's into heavy music using this pedal. I'm still trying to find my niche with this pedal, I just got one!
Thanks man!
For most of the video I'm using the Natural Hi mode, with Gain at roughly 10 o'clock -- too high and it starts to sound fake
Onset for the other two songs was on about 10 o'clock.
But for the drone song where I'm in the hoodie the onset is cranked all the way
Then I'm quad-tracking. One set of double as Natural High mode, one set of doubles with the 1st Harmonic mode
Both gain at 10 o'clock, onset at max
@@AdamTrain Sweet! Thanks for the info, I will give this a go!!
I was hoping to be able to do something similar to the beginning of Slayer's 'Raining Blood' eerie wails? So far no luck on that, my results have been more like extended lead notes that sound more hard rock-ish (which is great too, but not exactly the ominous thing I was wanting, but with practice, I think cool to add to my repertoire).
Some Spitfire or Scarlet vibes
That reference has gone right over my head!
killer demo! Was that a little Safe in Your Skin action I heard in the beginning and about halfway through?
Thank you mate, yes it was
Absolutely love that record
Great video!
You mentioned different tones for different feedback types. I'm mostly interested in playing drone with this pedal. Would you mind elaborating on this?
Thanks man!
Of course. I meant that drone, for example, needs the pedal to continue feeding back endlessly. So all your standard rules apply there: lots of gain to give you some compression, no/loose noise gates to avoid chocking the feedback. And, for the drone stuff, I found adding octave up and down effects to the tone really helped fill out the 'wall of sound' thing
With drone I also found quad tracking was really helpful. I did the first set of guitars on the "1st" mode which just extends the fundamental note indefinitely. And then another set on the "Nat hi" mode to give them some life and movement
Which is all very different to the more straightforward punk and metal tones I dialled in for the rest of the video. Which were more about lower gain and gates to keep the feedback out of the way until you need it
Hi Adam,
Nice explanations.. feels like getting one now.
What did you use on a signal chain for Converge and Sunn ?
For the Sunn-style jam:
First thing is a low octave. I'm just using the stock Logic Dr Octave pedal -- sounds a bit like a Boss OC-2, kinda analogue and glitchy which I love. Any basic monophonic octave pedal should get you there
Most important element (even more than a Model T) is a good ProCo Rat-style pedal. I'm using the TSE R47 with the gain ripped wide open. It gives you this slewed, fuzzy distortion that's so integral to that sound -- the Sunn/Earthquaker Life Pedal is an analogue octave into a modded Rat circuit.If TSE R47 doesn't work on newer systems, the Nembrini NA Black is also pretty good.
I'm then going into the ChowDSP Chow Centaur -- a really awesome, free Klon Centaur emulation. It does the Klon thing really well, helps even out some of the gain on the long held chords and pushes the mids in a very particular way
That goes into two amps running in parallel in Amplitube 5. I don't normally rate Amplitube -- the gain and the mid-range have always sounded really fake to me but it does okay here. One amp is an Ampeg 4VB (which is typically used as a bass amp) to give that massive low-end rumble
Then the other amp is a Fender Twin. I'm running the treble high and the spring reverb all the way up. Gives a bit of a sparkle when you first hit the notes. I'm just blending that in subtly.
Then it's just EQ, bit of compression and some hall reverb from Logic's ChromaVerb. Job's a good 'un
For the Converge tracks:
Gentle low shelf cut, very wide at about 60Hz... the BKP Stockholm P90 pickups in my Wirebird are way bossier than the EMGs the Kurt was using in the Axe To Fall era
SD-1 in to a JCM800 2203 (Kurt very often uses a JMP2204 which is functionally the same as the 50 watt JCM800). Unfortunately there aren't many 2204 models out there (Line 6 Helix has one but it's nothing like the real amp, their 2203 model is *much* better. For this demo I'm using Mercuriall Spark for the SD-1 and the JCM800.
Cab is GGD Zilla cabs. I'm using the "Basketweave 4x12" with a Celestion cream back, mixed with an SM57. Blended in with the "Fat Baby 1x12" cab to give me some boxy midrange (Kurt's guitar tones are SUUUPER midrange-y).
Then I'm quad tracking these parts. 2 tracks exactly as described above. 2 tracks with an added HM-2 pedal before the amp instead of the SD-1. Level, High and Low all on max. Distortion at about 10 o'clock.
Hope that's useful!
Sick review, mate! However, I have one question, I heard that the pedal’s feedback cuts off after like 6-7 seconds and it’s not really infinite. Is it true? Do you achieve infinite drone when you combine freqout with other pedals?
It really depends on the rest of your chain and your hardware setup. It also seems to track some notes better than others
For the infinite drone stuff I find putting it in "1st" mode seems to sustain the fundamental pretty much forever. But, because it's only giving you the fundamental, it's more like a sustainer than feedback
If you put it in "Nat High" or "Nat Low" mode you'll get more harmonic feedback but it becomes a little unpredictable and can sometimes stop. For studio use I find layering can really help!
As with any drone tones, plenty of gain is really helpful and adding some octave effects can help increase the realism of the feedback (because you just get more harmonics!)
Might be hard to read but my signal chain should be on screen in the video!
Compressor can help
Title fight hell yea
I think the uncontrollable feedback would have worked better with a quick response time in momentary mode with the gain cranked.
I've tried it every which way really
When you put the gain too high and the onset to quick it starts to sound really fake
Because it really only does that kind of melodic feedback, putting the onset too quick sounds super fake
Putting the gain too loud tends to separate the feedback from your guitar signal and again it sounds super unrealistic (any complexity in the signal just kind of goes and you're left with basically a sine wave)
It also only really works when you hold a note. Whereas I associate that uncontrollable feedback with an amp being so loud it resonates my strings every time I let go of them
The FreqOut doesn't do that: when you let go of the strings, it just stops!
Incredible pedal, I love mine. But not a substitute for a loud amp!
Nice
Thanks pal!
nice vid bruh
Thanks pal!
Did you try to get the uncontrollable feedback using the momentary function? I feel like it may be attainable in that setting.
I did, it just doesn't make a realistic sound for uncontrollable feedback unfortunately
7:28 when you hear a china cymbal and the guitarist looks like that, you know that you are about to get fucked up.
Wow, the guitars on thee hooded track sound brutal and super heavy, what plugin are you using?
Thanks man!
At that point, I'm basically trying to recreate the Sunn O))) Life Metal tone as closely as possible in the box
First thing is a low octave. I'm just using the stock Logic Dr Octave pedal -- sounds a bit like a Boss OC-2, kinda analogue and glitchy which I love
Most important element (even more than a Model T) is a good ProCo Rat-style pedal. I'm using the TSE R47 with the gain ripped wide open. It gives you this slewed, fuzzy distortion that's so integral to that sound -- fun fact, the Sunn/Earthquaker Life Pedal is an analogue octave into a modded Rat circuit
I'm then going into the ChowDSP Chow Centaur -- a really awesome, free Klon Centaur emulation. It does the Klon thing really well, helps even out some of the gain on the long held chords and pushes the mids in a very particular way
That goes into two amps running in parallel in Amplitube 5. I don't normally rate Amplitube -- the gain and the mid-range have always sounded really fake to me but it does okay here. One amp is an Ampeg 4VB (which is typically used as a bass amp) to give that massive low-end rumble
Then the other amp is a Fender Twin. I'm running the treble high and the spring reverb all the way up. Gives a bit of a sparkle when you first hit the notes. I'm just blending that in subtly.
Then it's just EQ, bit of compression and some hall reverb from Logic's ChromaVerb. Job's a good 'un
Super curious about this pedal. How about using the momentary function for "uncontrollable feedback"? Great vid, cheers!
thanks pal!
The challenge is that the pedal just doesn't really do that uncontrollable feedback as a sound. I guess it's just that bit too complex
If you turn the "speed" knob up fast enough, or use the momentary mode, you kind of just end up with harmonic chirps every time you stop playing. Doesn't really sound like feedback
This pedal is all about the harmonic feedback and sustain
@@AdamTrain that makes sense, cheers for the reply
Hi man! Love the video, was looking to get this for that uncontrollable feedback you were talking about with HC music. Glad i saw this vid first :D
Do you have an idea with which pedal i can create such uncontrollable feedback without changing the guitar tone too much?
Still probably getting this pedal also though :D
Thanks!
Ruben
Hey Ruben, I'm stoked you liked it!
I must admit I initially bought it for that wild feedback -- especially as me and my other half are working from home these days (was really hoping I could get some crazy feedback without disturbing her Zoom meetings!)
That said, this thing has made its way permanently into my signal chain -- I feel like my guitar is missing something when I turn it off
Honestly though, for that out of control feedback, I'm still yet to come across anything that comes close. Unfortunately no real substitute for turning an amp up, cranking the gain and standing in front of it
@@AdamTrain Yeah this one covers my needs for that organic feedback in between songs though so i'm definetely looking for one of these thanks to your vid!
Will subscribe and keep an eye out for if you may find an alternative for that out of control feedback :D
Keep it up and thanks again!
You should look into harmonic percolators. Thats the, big black, shellac tone. Suuuuuper fire but theres only clones these days
@@444dontperceive just had a butcher's. Really cool texture to the distortion!
The demos I've seen look like it still doesn't do that out of control thing -- at least without some serious volume behind it!
In about 10 years the term is gonna be "Aging chugg lawyer".
Ouch man, I felt that in my bones
this is great, but I don't get how are you producing the guitar tone? are you going through an amp and mic or just the pedal straight into audio interface with some vsts? thanks
From the pedal straight into my Audient iD22
The plugins for each section are shown on the computer screen behind me but the core of most of the tones is Neural DSP Fortin Cali and the GGD Studio Cabs Zilla IRs
Hope that helps
Dude.. That fucking demo riff at the end is illegal. You have OC tracks out there? Would support.
Side note: Thanks so much for reviewing this in a heavier perspective. I was thinking of buying this purely for the uncontrollable feedback so I'm really glad I know it won't work before I buy it.
Thanks for saving me the money and your thorough walkthrough!
Definitely subbing
@@Steff_kjns cheers man, I really appreciate the kind words
I've got a few songs on a hard drive I really need to get round to releasing
I want to buy a Freqout but the 6 sec cutout worries me. That amazing long long drone chord at 2:37 ? Is that just the freqout or is something else doing that? Basically I just want to do THAT but on a bass.
6 sec cutout?
That chord at 2:37 is the FreqOut but we're quad tracking guitars there to make it sound huge. In that example I have the FreqOut set to begin feedback very quickly but with a low mix. As the chord decays you get a mix of note with feedback that creates that more natural drone
It does kind of work on bass but not as well. First reason for me personally is just the amount of distortion (I'm going for more clank than OTT distortion... Your mileage may vary there)
The other reason is to do with layering. To me, the FreqOut sounds most realistic when you double or quad track to create a wall of sound. I'm not super likely to do that with bass
Worth a punt if the money is burning a hole in your pocket but it's not where I've had the best results... Again, your mileage may vary!
Djenting on a Tele;
Thumbs up
Thanks pal
Any tips on how one would successfully recreate the uncontrolled feedback as shown in your first example?
On the Converge track or in the intro?
@@AdamTrain uncontrolled feedback
@@hourse1127 Sorry, mate, I'm not totally following what you mean?
As mentioned in the review, this pedal doesn't really do uncontrolled feedback particularly well -- it's much more suited to that kind of harmonic sustaining style of feedback
But if you let me know a timestamp, I can give you an idea of what I'm doing to get that particular sound
hi, i got this pedal too but the feedback always shrinked and stopped itself around 5 secs after the feedback started. Can you share how you made it non stop feedback? And how do you put this pedal into your pedal chain?
It's very dependent on your playing, how much gain you use and your setup (including noise gates)
In the "1st" mode, it'll give you a drone that can quite easily last forever
In "nat high" mode it's a little more unpredictable. I like to add a ton of gain with something like a Rat to get a little wild
Pay attention to the "onset" and "gain" controls as well. If I'm doing low and slow stuff, I like them lower gain with a longer onset so the note naturally decays into feedback
You also really have to hold down the note/chord to get it to ring out. If you pull up your fingers, it'll stop
Finally, in studio work, I like to use a different tone for the feedback parts. More gain, more compressed, etc. That really helps (as does recording multiple passes)
I run this second in my chain behind an analogue compressor (because otherwise I overload the input from picking too hard)
Hi,superego+ or TC ElectronicINFINITE or Freqout,which one is suitable for drone metal things ,wanna choose one
Both do pretty much the same things. For what it's worth, I really like my Superego, but I'm sure the TC looks great!
What did you end up going for?
I love a bound tele, what model is that?
It's a Wirebird Contour IV
Small custom builder out of the UK who makes incredible instruments
Great video of this man! Did you use it pre or post drive? I use it with a tensor directly post in the chain. Combined with the kill dry function on the freqout, you can get some really cool sounds.
Thanks man!
I'm using it first thing in the chain and then directly into my Audient iD22 so pre drive -- did try it with Tubescreamer in front but it didn't really make much difference to my ears
Interesting! I've not really messed about with using it for ambient sounds but sound like a really cool idea, especially with the Tensor
Hi,
Where do you recommend placing it on the chain?
I recommend putting it as close to the start of the chain as possible!
Hi is pedal valid as an alternative to the sustainer?
What kind of sustainer? Wouldn't work for something like a Freeze or Superego style pedal
@@AdamTrain no sorry i mean sustainiac pickups
@@Savior.Mountgreen I've never used them so can't comment I'm afraid
Looks like a very similar concept but I can't speak to one over the other
@@AdamTrain ok 👍🏻
@@AdamTrain What position of the pedal board does it fit in?
I actally use it for uncontrollable feedback believe in or not, do you use it in momentary mode? Makes me want to record a video just to show everybody how I use it.
Btw you guitar tone is fucking monstrous!
I've tried momentary and latching but never been able to make the uncontrollable thing sound convincing
Definitely would love to see a video demo!
Thank you man!
@@AdamTrain hi! Here's a quick video on how I use freqout ua-cam.com/video/6wmaHHMc4cc/v-deo.html, might be not the most realistic sounding feedback, but I've been using it like this at live show for two years and no one told me to get my ass off the stage because of my fake ass feedback lol
Sir you remarked ..."It really,really makes me want to play guitar" When in fact, it is really encouraging you to NOT PLAY GUITAR....LOL...But I will give it to you that it is an excellent tool you can always use, should you have a need to overcome certain sustain issues inherent in electric guitars....I too have gone to lengths to overcome many of these same issues (I have used the fender runaway feed-backer pedal (discontinued)..(which is what your digitech is patterned after) various sustain ,freeze, ebow etc etc. but have now settled on the Sustainiac pickup/system that people like Joe Satriani and others use (these sustainor pickup system units are really the best when it comes to overall control of the sustain effect. ie: They are POLYPHONIC so you can use multiple simultaneous notes...in fact full chords, also you have far superior control over the magnetic field..It is also much more "vary-able" and "tweak-able" so if this is the sort of tool you really enjoy using you should really consider either the Sustainiac system or the Fernandez sustainer both are good, (more realistic sounding and behaving,.. and are vastly superior to the digitech pedal ..of coarse, these are more expensive and more dedicated systems....But really are the way to go if this is the sort of thing you plan on incorporating in your music.......Thank you for your post
I must admit, I've always thought of things like the Sustainiac as just for the super shred players but it's a good shout, especially if you can sustain chords
Thank you for the tip!
Mild, mannered Brit kid rips the roof off the joint-- that never happens (add in italics.)
Thank you mate
When the music does not match the sweater.
Most unlikely person to cover a converge song