The End of Haas has Begun
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2024
- 🏁 What's the future of Haas F1 after the sudden and shocking departure of Guenther Steiner? 🤔 In this in-depth video, we delve into the unexpected decision that sent shockwaves through the Formula 1 world. Discover the fascinating story behind Steiner, a beloved cult icon within the team, and why he had to bid farewell. We'll dissect the intriguing dynamics that led to this significant change in leadership and explore the newly appointed team principal, Ayao Komatsu, who comes from within the ranks of Haas.
But that's not all! We'll also take a closer look at a broader trend sweeping through Formula 1: the trend of hiring team principals with strong engineering backgrounds or promoting from within, with an emphasis on cost-efficiency. How is this approach reshaping the landscape of F1 management, and what could it mean for the sport's future?
Join us for a thought-provoking discussion on the challenges and doubts surrounding Haas' journey to success and their strategic decisions regarding outside investment. Is their reluctance to embrace change a risky move, or could it be the secret to their continued presence in the fiercely competitive world of Formula 1? Stay informed and engaged with the latest Formula 1 updates and insights, and let's unravel the mysteries of Haas' path forward. 🚗💨
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Formula 1 fans eagerly anticipate the F1 2024 season, with the Haas F1 Team making waves in the headlines. Team Principal Guenther Steiner, known for his candid remarks, was expected to steer the team towards success...until he was promptly sacked! With Ayao Komatsu on board, Haas F1 is poised for an uncertain season. For more Formula 1 news and updates, be sure to subscribe to our F1 UA-cam channel, where we delve into the Haas F1 Team's history, Romain Grosjean's memorable moments, and the financial backing from MoneyGram. Stay tuned as we drive to survive and cover the latest from the world of Formula 1, including insights on Sauber, AlphaTauri, Alpine, and other stake F1 teams.
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Haas it begun?
Good one.
It Haas
Beat me to it
It Haas to end
An absolute dishaaster, and an absolute embarrhaasment
Hadn't seen that quote from Gene. Huge red flag for many things. He expects greatness from the team without any additional commitment from him.
Go read the stuff about he supposedly turned away Ryan Reynolds and let Alpine smooth talk their way.
Gene essetially doesn't want to lose control and isn't willing to spend the necessary amount
Wow! Control is everything to him. Maximum Effort Investments and partners probably dodged a bullet by not working with him. @@LawVS
Just like Papa Stroll. He wants to keep all the control.
@@LawVSI'm convinced that he's using the team's - very public - failure as a tax write off for his other businesses. He has a very dodgy history with the tax man after all.
Gene must have quite the complex going on wanting such drastic improvement without any extra investment. Ill be shocked if Haas make it to round 1 of 2025.
Turns out Ryan Reynolds came knocking and Gene sent them away stating they weren't genuine and wanted to flip and not truly offer help.
@@LawVSIf I could say something to Gene in regards to that offer, it would be this, "ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR F**KING MIND?! You would turn down the investment group that turned the Wrexham Football Club from an unknown backwater club into something of an underdog team? Is your ego and pride really that important to you?"
Michael Andretti has said that during his discussions Gene Haas has said he doesn’t care about running at the back, it works for him. That was in the latest video from the race. You also have to understand that he will not give up the prominent spaces on his cars that are needed to run his own billboards. So title sponsorships are going to be difficult to obtain. When Gene Haas said he needed to do something about the performance I think he is just doing damage control. His real problem is he can no longer hide the truth but he will do his best to pretend that Haas is a racing team. We talk about what will Andretti bring to the sport? Well what does Haas bring to the sport now Steiner has gone? I think Gene Haas is a smart man that has gamed the system. I just do not think he cares about what F1 is. F1 should be about every team trying to reach the top and competing. Not just taking advantage of its viewership.
I suspect there is a danger that interest in the Haas team will wane now that Gunter is gone. Fans matter in a sport like F1.
It's the American way - find an angle to make money and play it until it dies. Then switch to another angle. Capitalism at it's finest. Personally, I have no respect for Gene, as far as F1 goes.
That is just so depressing...
It's like that one meme: Haas is evolving but backwards
@@mikearend997listen, gene trying to make something out of from Ferrari and not developing his own wind tunnel or hiring competent engineers is his own fault. Andretti would literally bring GM in who already have competitive wind tunnels and engineering capability. Look at how good Cadillac has been in LMP for the past few years, It could be good if given a chance.
I feel that Guenther was the glue that really held that team together. In the racing aspect, he wasn't best placed but in the managerial aspect, he was the reason many of Haas' employees stayed loyal to the team. Now he's gone I can see a brain drain happening within the team, knowing that Gene may well sell the team off to the highest bidder where there may be no safety net for them to land on if and when that happens.
Personality wise, Gunther Steiner was the modern day Eddie Jordan I think. He's got that unusual likable personality that's a contrast to the very serious other team managers. Gene Haas has never struck me as being particularly interested in F1. I remember before their first season I read an interview where he was more interested in thinking of F1 as a business opportunity and he's not that interested in the sport itself. This is coming out more and more. He seems so far away and frustrated by the whole thing
It really does seem like Gene is all about the marketing side and promoting his own business...but with each passing year and a failure to really evolve whilst the other teams are in some way, it's becoming more obvious he's not into F1.
I don’t know. I kind of feel like he didn’t have the mindset innovation. I don’t think Haas has reached the cost cap but it should be up there. Gunther is more suited as an economist for the team to get advertisers. Having an engineer run the team might be what it needs.
The way that he was let go wasn’t it though.
He seems like a guy, Guenther, that can get things set up; then he needs the right people around him to take his initial work and evolve it from there. You want him to begin with and then bring a team around him to assist him. Him as a manger, rather than a boss, would be excellent.
@@LawVS that is also a thing in the broader business world, interestingly (or not interestingly). There’s a different skill set required to get a company up and running than to maintain and grow that same business with an established foundation. I imagine it’s a different mindset as well.
But, the “engineer” was already at the team overseeing poor performance. So just how is promoting from within a poorly performing team going to make things any better?
@@LawVSwe don't know what he can do as the money was never there to finish the job. I can't help thinking that Andretti might want to look at hiring him to get started
I’m not a fan of his, but I don’t think you have any idea of what Gunther actually did or does if that’s what you think he did or was his specialty. RaceFans has a good article on how Haas likely never makes the grid without him and how he created a model that others have taken.
The problem with Haas is that they're are not improving to their rivals . Also with Mclaren and Aston Martin improving not helping the team so in general I don't see them getting better.
They're just existing and not reading the room that other teams are sinking in tons of money.
I really dont see Haas selling to Andretti. Gene is going to want $600-800 million for the team and all Andretti have to do is wait and they will get on the grid for much cheaper. Also like you said there is a little bit of beef there.
But if there is one thing Haas is really good at its finding the most shady awful businessmen on the planet. So Gene can just sell to one of them! Welcome Elon Musk racing in 2025!
Andretti are probably going to have to stump up $600m to get past the bollards of entry. If they can buy out a team and its stuff for the same amount that's better.
Elon Musk F1 team... still better investment than twitter 🤣
An E car in F1? FIA will have a field day with Elon Musk
Oh nooo
@ultramariogod Elon had 10 years to have a winning Tesla team in FE. If he join F1 through Haas it would be a disaster.
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Personally I think gene is focusing on his NASCAR team, that team has been champion winning in the past but since 2021 it’s been in a ruff patch, but gene only co-owns that team so maybe I’m wrong.
Like he sees F1 as a cash cow ready to take to market at a certain date when F1's value peaks?
@@LawVSI could see that
@@LawVSaren't team values peaking right now? Gene runs the risk of his team falling even further behind the rest, and losing team value. Once Haas again finishes last in the Constructors this season, the team becomes even less desirable to possible investors and sponsors. Williams was on the verge of cratering when that capital firm stepped in to buy them out, at a relatively cheap price. What is Gene waiting for? He should call Andretti and get a sale done now.
@@heydude23001 remember that while is true that the car kinda sucks, their infrastructure is still there... So I don't think so...
I don't know man, even the NASCAR fans are starting to have doubts about HAAS. Some are even speculating that co-owner Tony Stewart will sell his ownership stake and get out entirely to focus on drag racing. They're even going so far as to say Stewar-HAAS will cease to exits by as early as 2026! I think that's a bit extreme personally, but it's not a good look when BOTH F1 and NASCAR fans are starting to doubt your operation!
I wonder how likey K Mag will continue with Hass after next season. Nico seems to already have a foot out the door. Maybe Komatsu would be less afraid of bringing on a rookie.
I reckon this will be it. He will probably head back to sportscar racing.
You're having a busy off season! I agree entirely, especially with them finishing last in 2024. If so, probably the last year for Nico and Kevin. Gene just doesn't care for anyone but himself.
Which is sad because both Kevin and Nico are decent drivers and don’t deserve a team that really doesn’t care about them and their reputation:(
Became a hass fan in 21’ I jus hope gene hass and can OPEN HIS EYES and realize what’s going on😩
He needs to look around the grid and see what 's going on. Haas' rivals are investing hard and attracting outside investors whilst F1 is popular...but Haas has the blinkers on.
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I agree, best F1 channel on UA-cam.
"Well Mr Andretti. You see we won't let you join our exclusive club even though more entrants would be good for the sport, because we're far too damn greedy for our own collective good."
"Funny you should mention not wanting any more teams..." ;-)
For me it always made sense if Binotto joined Audi for their engine project as he worked in the engine departement at Ferrari in the past. But he would probably be an interesting name for the engine programs at Alpine or RedBull.
But also Sauber doesn't really have a real team principal yet and it begs the question why that is. I mean Alunni Bravi is just in a weird position and seems more like a spokesperson than anything else and it is clear that he will have to step down again at some point in the near future. Either they waited / are still waiting for someone (Binotto) to return from gardening leave or they just keep the position vacant and let Audi do whatever they want to do with it. Also Binotto was born and raised in Switzerland so that would be a match.
Well f it. I will just predict now that Binotto will be the new TP at Sauber as soon as he is able to sign with them. I mean why not? He has the experience, was probably not as bad as the media made him out to be and Sauber has a need for a TP after such a bad season. Also Hinwil is probably a very good place to be right now. I mean they can't really do worse, have a lot of upside in my opinion with the investments coming in and there is still the fact that Audi is joining in 2026. Could be a great place for his redemption arc. And if Audi still wants to place someone else in that position from 2026 onwards, they could just give him a 2 year deal.
And imagine, Binotto going from Ferrari, the sports most historic and prestigous team, a place where everybody is so proud to work for an institution that, since centuries, is building the worlds most iconic and beloved race / road cars, a place where the employees wear the prancing horse on their shirts as a badge of honor to the marketing shitshow that is the "Stake F1 Team" right now. Would be kinda hilarious.
Perhaps. Binotto probably wants a backroom job away from the media so he can do what he likes.
This can’t be the last time I get a Law “AYE YOO”! That was great!
I think that the most likely buyer of HASS is Ferrari. Mercedes, RedBull racing and to a lesser extent Mclaren and Alpine have places to put there drivers, but since Sauber got bought by Audi, Ferrari has no where to place their rookie driver. If Andretti buys it, i doesn't think they will be ok with taking a Ferrari driver
I reckon Ferrari would rather avoid the similar tensions with Red Bull and Alphatauri's relationship.
There is only one Ferrari and they can afford the best drivers.
Man I really dont see Andretti having any interest in the team. He wants an entirely american f1 team, and the only american thing about Haas is Gene Haas himself. Would Andretti really want it? Or would he buy it, gut it, and move everything to the US? As much as I want Andretti on the grid, I dont know if it would be the right move. BUT, heres a wild prediction... what if Audi scrapped Sauber due to their recent ridiculousness and went with Haas instead? 👀
Andretti has been courting Haas since 2020. He's just hovering there ready to wait for Gene to call time.
@@LawVS I guess I just dont understand how hes going to do it effeciently, I thought he was adamant about the cars being american powered and built. Would that void any contracts for Ferrari power trains? what about the facilities and faculty in other parts of the world?
I get where Gene is coming from. He never seemed like a man with great ambition, just wanted a solid midfield team with the occasional shining performance.
So his idea of buying as much as possible from a front running team and outsourcing the rest with just having an on track team sounds fine. This is the model Helmut is pushing for at Racing Bull AT.
Having two wooden spoons in 3 seasons is also unacceptable. We don’t know the conversations between Gene and Gunther, but things had to change and maybe there was a compromise on the table Gunther didn’t want to accept.
I think next year they can take it to Stake F1 and maybe even Racing Bull AT.
I agree today’s flavour of F1 your own facility is key. With massive investments in all teams already happening for years, Haas was left behind.
Guenther is a great manager, popular with staff and got the initial building blocks in place thanks to his charisma. However, he lacked the vision to take the initial model to the next level.
Great video
The video was uploaded 3 minutes ago how can you say it is a great video?😆
Checking in from your latest Haas video. Thanks for at least keeping it honest
I think letting go of geunther is a mistake, i think he has been proven to be a good manager of an f1 team, however i do think Andretti getting the team would be very interesting to see
If he had been moved to a managerial role in the factory overseeing Komatsu's directives that would've been better.
@@LawVS actually really agree with that
Got back at the perfect time
Another factor that needs to be brought into consideration is that Gene's Haas' NASCAR team which he co-owns with Smoke (aka Tony Stewart) has also lost major sponsorship in the shape of Busch (which was on Kevin Harvick's 4 car who has retired) has gone to Trackhouse No 1 car. Plus Aric Amirola and Smithfield's on the 10 car has also left.
While SHR has two new drivers they are having to get sponsorship money and may be impacting Haas' decision making.
Sponsors are probably skittish about the lack of vision and other investment from Haas' side. Might be played out with the F1 team come 2024. I wouldn't be surprised if Moneygram skip town soon.
Honestly, if Haas had the same budget as all the other teams in their history, and also had had enough money to invest in their facilities, Haas would've been P4 in 2018, P5 in 2019 as they would've detected their issue far earlier, P8 in 2020, P4-6 in 2022 as they would've developed a better car pre-season and would've developed it throughout, and P7 in 2023. Plus, I think you'd criticize Guenther a lot less because, with the money, he'd actually have a plan for the future
Yes as well as having more sustainable and less disruptive sponsorship. Rich Energy mucked them up good and proper.
Promotion from within is best principle to operate on if you have a performing team at the top of their game so you maintain momentum from a point of strength. I am not sure this is the best idea for HAAS though at this juncture, because Komatsu is an engineer who has been intimately linked to the build of all the HAAS cars ever ...... and which have not amounted ot much thus far. Komatsu has to make good with that which Steiner could not ..... I ask myself how ? I think Komatsu is being dealt a very raw deal .... unless he is a magician !!
I can see tha consistency was useful but you're right. It feels weird. If Adrian Newey retired and they promoted from within, that would make sense. Adrian would've tought a team of folks to take on his role and show them his way of thinking and there could be a sense of continuity and even then, Newey would probably still oversee them anyway.
Guenther is a a real hero
since he is working with so much less
and delivering unbelievable results.
It’s going to be a fun interview with Guenther at Autosport in the morning.
From what I have heard, it's certainly intriguing.
This is either going to be a stroke of genius or an embarrassing mistake! Share holders must be worried!
One thing I think people aren't considering re:Andretti buyout is that if that happens, he wouldn't be the 'savior' of Haas's staff. If anything, he'd be making a large majority of them redundant. Why would an American IndyCar team with GM backing have a technical facility in Maranello? An office in South Carolina? Even the Banbury office would be on the chopping block, as it's simply not big enough to host a proper F1 base. The only reason Andretti has to buy Haas is simply to get his foot in the door, their facilities are of absolutely no use to his prospective team and a buyout would probably be a disaster for most Haas employees, especially the Italian ones
Oh of course. He would bring in their own people into the facilities, purge the expendable and keep a skeleton crew to ensure the tools are kept running.
Cause majority of the races are in Europe, then you can also have 2 facilities focus on different parts, plus GM would still need to learn how F1 Cars work, since they aren't like LMPs
Finally Steiner has been let go. It was about time. Although, yes, Haas has to thank him for lasting so long in F1, but after so many years of underdelivering considering the equipment they had (especially in 2019 and 2022), it was time to give someone else the chance. Especially in 2019, Haas had a very fast car, but they somehow still managed to finish in P9 of the championship.
However, like we say in the German speaking room: The fish starts to stink at the head. Another big problem is Gene Haas himself. We have a cost cap, so it makes sense to go close to the cost cap. Of course, Haas' wish of being efficient is good and has to be followed even with a bigger budget. But if there is a chance, go to the limit. It will benefit everybody.
Another problem is that everybody else is blamed, but Haas doesn't blame himself. In 2019 it was Rich Energy, in 2020 it was the drivers, in 2021 it was the car, in 2022 it was Schumacher and in 2023 it was Steiner. However, nothing helped and there were so many other problems that weren't adressed and that were not solved for years. The team still doesn't know how to setup a car that doesn't burn its tyres within 3 corners. The team still has many pit stop errors. The team still has many strange strategic decisions. Haas doesn't know where to improve the team and it seems he doesn't care either. You can't solve problems if you don't care what the problems are.
I wish them the best of luck.
Yeah, it was bound to happen but at the same time it's sad to see happen.
My fever dream is a top gear kinda show feauturing Binotto and Gunther
Mick had 2 seasons to prove himself...i would not say he hot axed unfairly
2021 was a write-off and Mick was a whole minute over the egg. 2022 started off strong and yes he made mistakes but he made up for it later on by Silverstone...but then the car fell off and Mick couldn't make up for the earlier mistakes.
-If you participate in the worlds most expensive sport, it's gonna be expensive.
-If you can't afford to be successful, you are not going to be successful.
Is this something Gene hasn't still understood?
It started off pretty solid but they needed to evolve the model further after that...they didn't. For Gene it worked once so why change it?
Sometimes i wonder how Gene even got such a well know name in racing series. It really doesn't seem like he knows what he is doing or what needs to do.
I don't know for sure but it was clearly over a long period of time. Perservence is useful sometimes.
Gunter is going to be the exact same case as Cyril Abiteboul. Cyril was crucial in getting drive to survive going and Gunter made it amazing. I'm sorry it's a very poor decision from Gene but I truly believe he thinks his brand is suffering under Gunter and that it's like a circus and he can't have it so I can see where he is coming from.
Yeah. Sponsors won't care about Haas at all now.
@@LawVS yeh tbh I just think he wants a yes man which in a way Gunter was but I believe he always had Gene and the race team first over everything else. You can only do so much with your hands tied behind your back
I hope to see Gunther S at Williams where the are empty Job seats and for him to work alongside James V. Ferrari could break the partnership with HASS instead, if the team doesn’t improve
I reckon Guenther will find a job in TV.
I'm no expert. At all!
But whenever I hear/read about some boss/politician talking about "optimize" (or something along the lines of "spend less to do the same or even more work") it is business-talk to sell/privatize the company..
Agreed. It feels off to me.
12:34 It's amazing how a phrase can make an accent sound American
I never seen drive to survive as an f one fan🏎️
Fair enough. It's not everybody's cup of tea.
Gene Haas wants rolling billboards. Nothing else. No investment, no innovation. Just advertisement for his machine tools. I'll ask again . Michael Andretti is being held back because they dont think he can add to Formula 1. Please explain to me what Haas (been) is adding?
It's a shame considering there's three entities begging to be let in.
Gunther: show me tha moooooneeeeey Gene!
like stroll, logan, ericsson.... it was always they guys that are effective and actually doing something that left and had to make way instead of the loser
At least with Marcus he found his groove in Indycar.
I think steiner had to go, the teams been floundering, the technical director that left cited a lack of motivation, he answered directly to gunther and they didnt want to "copy" the rb19, i think there is more issues simmering under the surface beyond a disagreement on how much funding the team needs to compete.
Yes, but to get rid of him altogether was too rash. Guenther is a draw for some people to make Haas relevant. He should've been reassigned.
Guenter seems more like a head engineer than a tp to me. He was decent at bringing upgrades to Jaguar. His man management skills were poor imo. Anyway I didn't see about the new Williams re-brading, I like how they still respected the old era by keeping the "Claire" era logo as long as they did. But Doriltiron is different in a good way now and deserve their own identity.
I feel Guenther is more like a great manager of people and ensuring they go where they need to go.
@LawVS In some sense, yes. He did bring the employees together, but he was terrible when it came to driver conflict nextflix drama or not.
YES
Yes indeed.
Never understood what was in it for the Haas company business, which is making and selling CNC machines and tooling for the metalworking industry. Those products are sold by specialized sales people and bought by metal industry top managers, who don't care about marketing by publicity but only look at the price/performance bottom line for their investments. Main competitor companies from Europe and Asia (the names of which you've probably never heard) would never put money in a platform like F1, but instead sell their products through specialized channels, metal industry trade fairs, etc. The automotive industry, energy drinks producers and others have a totally different business motivation when they free up the necessary budgets to get maximum exposure in the F1 circus.
So all I can think of it always was some sort of a hobby for Gene Haas, or just vanity.
International exposure and Gene's constant desire to break into the Chinese market.
A recent article came up that Gene Haas have no plans to sell his team and he will be in F1 for 10+ years. so I'm quite concerned about haas future without investment.
And just now he's snubbed the Reynolds consortium and let Alpine swoop in.
Gunther was quickly removed, Gene didn't want him to grab contacts, change passwords, collect files. This isn't unusual.
Still sad to see happen like this.
Be honest with me here, long term F1 fan of three decades, Netflix subscriber for over a decade. I’ve never watched a single episode of Drive to Survive. Am I missing out?
Yes!
I feel like it's worth watching, as a neat little additional to the season itself. It's edited to high heaven but it's a neat little interlude before the season starts. There are some good bits.
10:49 this is a very fair point…if they wanted to enhance/leveeage their ferrari connection mattia seems like a no brainer
Well yes. Mattia didn't disgrace himself but Ferrari needed a change in direction and Fred was available. Mr Vasseur is a solid pair of hands; just what Ferrari needed. Mattia wasn't a natural TP but he did the best he could.
Everyone's assuming that Haas will sell in the future. I don't think it'll happen, he's had ample opportunity to do so over the last couple of years with Andretti looking for an entry.
With the F1 team's troubles and Haas' troubles in the NASCAR Cup Series over the last couple of years (literally carried by Kevin Harvick in terms of drivers (Stewart-Haas Racing is a four-car team), and Tony Stewart's long-term interest in continuing his part-ownership of the team has been questioned, though I think that's quietened down a bit and SHR have put up some fighting talk ahead of the new season), Gene Haas is certainly having an interesting time right now.
Oh yeah, Gene won't sell. He wants all the returns to himself until he's good and ready.
Wind direction change
The tides they are a turning.
HAAS is also part of Stewart / Haas NASCAR team. With that team he has left all the work with Tony Stewart. You very rarely see Gene doing anything at all.
Kinda like what he is doing with F1.
The one thing that most miss is the one thing that is most glaring; where did Gene Haas start from?
NASCAR.
Look at his entire history in stock car racing, all the way up to his partnership with Tony Stewart and beyond, and you will get a more clear insight of where this comes from. To those whom will say 'but F1 is different than NASCAR', that's not the point. It's where the mindset and the decisions originate that tell the story.
I understand what you are saying. A boss is a boss; I just don't know much about NASCAR and felt unqualified to bring it into the conversation.
Missed an oportunity to title The End Haas Begun
I've made the joke already and I didn't want to repeat myself.
I'm doing a haas career on f1 manager and I'm 6th place with 21 points and no upgrades
Conspiracy hat on but i sometimes wonder if behind the scenes Haas was approached by someone at the FIA to mediate a sale to Andretti pending F1’s decision about the 11th team. The conversation may have been about how Haas seems to be just “existing” due to his Gene’s apathy and backwards trajectory makes Haas the perfect target in FIA minds. This prompted Gene to seem like he is doing something proactive.
I doubt it. Gene seems quite stubborn about selling. He won't allow outside investment since he can't be bothered with the oversight; hence why Ryan Reynolds was turned away, according to recent reports.
GENE invested $8 million OF HIS MONEY on the Austin upgrade and it didn't work, then Steiner wanted more money so he was shown the door. It's his team and he doesn't want investors telling him what to do. Let's see how this goes now that he's in charge.
But Gene needs to be aware of the challenges of modern F1 and what the other rivals are doing and follow the herd or else he's gonna get left behind.
"When your ambition outweighs your investment." - some guy called Stoner, probably.
We’ll probably get to 50K before we get Andretti getting into F1
There's so much resistance to it, it's mad.
Interest rate is pretty high these days, that could run up the borrowed capitals within the team. Tough time.
Yep.
When I watch these video's, I for some odd reason, expect someone to start screaming and their hair to start turning yellow, red or blue...
Missed opportunity for another Haas pun with “The End Haas Begun”… I don’t blame you for opting not to choose it after already doing one with the Steiner video, though :)
Yeah I didn't want to overegg the pudding.
How many times HAAS Lawrence climbed up that ladder?
About 230+ times?
The whole consept of buying everything from Ferrari makes that they will never be more than a midfield tram. A new teammanager won't change that. And even if they change the concept, it will take years to build up the team to be competitive.
They're riding the Ferrari coattails.
I am curious what will the sponsor is thinking they got in because Guenther was popular and would ride along the fame of guenther and haas. They might not be winning but at least they get views of there brand when guenther does guenther things.
I will be curious to see what happens with sponsors.
It HAAS Begun
Hearing that Gunther just became a cult icon? F1 just got WEIRD.
He's been one for years.
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@@LawVS sorry tried to reply on the previous clip in my playlist 🫣
May be a partnership with Andretti will work or the team needs to be sold ?
Gene would never partner with Andretti. There's beef.
@@LawVS What in the America undercover operation has been going on between them ? Something happened between them or Am i missing something ?
1:59 Haas to Mick Be like:
No donuts for Mick.
Missed opportunity to call the video "the end haas begun"
I've already made the yoke.
I think it’s time for haas to be sold
I reckon it's heading toward that.
The redemption arc must continue, Law! You can bring Haas to glory!
Rocketpoweredmohawke:
- There has been som extraordinary knewz!!
It is, kinda. We never thought this would happen.
Letting Guenther go is like firing Steve Jobs from Apple.
It would appear there was a difference of opinion just like Sculley and Jobs.
Steiner: "I guess I know where I stand."
"16:20" Uralkali is not a shady sponsor. Please do some research on this chemical behemoth. It's definitely not "Rich Energy". Do I sense a form of russophobia?
No. But there were many questions surrounding the sponsor as well as the influence of its owner as well as the fact that one of its shareholders was at one point on a most wanted list.
Press "Fok" to pay respect.
Haas has the financial capacity of Williams circa 2021 combined with the administrative ability of Alpine in 2022 it would seem. What a situation.
It is indeed a situation.
I hate to say this but i saw this coming the moment he announced hes starting a F1 team. Ive watched Nascar since 1999, and ive seen his team owning ability there. If it weren't for Tony Stewart, his team would be an after thought. Hes Running his F1 team worse then his old Nascar team. Im honestly surprised the teams been alive this long
Guenther did enough to keep it running and the first few seasons were credible...then it fell apart thanks to shaky investment and a lack of development from 2019.
@@LawVS okay, you have fair points. I forget they had some decent seasons. And honestly I feel like Guenther kept the team going.
inb4 Steiner winds up involved with the Ferrari WEC program
I reckon he will take 2024 off to get away from the toxic Haas environment.
expecting HAAS to pay TWO people to do effectively one job? I don't see it. It makes no real sense to get rid of him now unless HAAS believes that Gunther would be a road-block in selling the team... Gunther may have required more pay to work under a different owner or just made things more difficult overall because of his status and personality.. then it would be Andretti showing him the door and would have created a mild controversy to start off that acquisition. This way Andretti avoids the drama and gets the team with an engineer that can be placed back into his old role the second he has ownership.
The thing is though is that Guenther's attention-grabbing personality was a draw for some sponsors and gave Haas some limelight...but with him gone entirely, it's an asset removed.
@@LawVS he might have been an asset but he is and always will be attached to HAAS. It would be like if LeClerk went to any other team, it would be weird. I think it would be an active road-block for Andretti should they want to create Andretti F1 team... it would be like keeping Toto but calling it Porsche racing... sure, name recognition for Toto would be an asset but we would all still be calling it Mercedes Lite.
I just need kmag to do well and jump to Williams and hulk to alfa so I can be done with haas
Hulk has the Sauber ticket. As for Kevin, I think he'll go back to sports cars.
I just hope Williams keep Alex and Logan, especially now the latter has his first season of working out the kinks under his belt. No, he’s not a future champion (I like the guy, but being realistic) but no-one should pass up a solid journeyman.
All I know is HAAS as a whole is a mess right now! I mentioned this in your previous video, things are not good on the NASCAR side either! In fact, the fans in that series is even starting to question HAAS' operations there as well, even going so far as to say as Stewart-HAAS ceasing to exist in just a couple of years! I mean its one thing for fans to question Gene's commitment in F1, but when NASCAR fans start questioning his operations, thats not good!
I feel Gene is close to retirement and packing it in and waiting for the right time to cash in.
@@LawVS maybe so, but that's not exactly the best way to go out on!
All of a sudden haas floundering on the nascar side makes a lot more sense
Probably running that team very similarly and not getting much support from Tony Stewart any more
Plus the mass sponsors exodus they've been experiencing lately
They've got some new sponsors but they're casino-related which isn't ideal.
It Haas begun
Wordplay.
I wonder whats next for the steiner saga
TV.
I know this is idea but could a merger of Haas and andretti work
Since they are always blocking Andretti...let haas and Andretti either join up or pass it on.
As for Gunter,. Bye. 👋 can join mick schumacher at the pub.
Imagine if Andretti takes Steiner on...
I reckon Guenther will detox for a while.
I wonder if Gene would pay Ayao Komatsu the same wage as Guenther Steiner.. or just pay his current wage... to safe on cost because Americans love their short term cost cutting!!!
Probably not. Cheaper and efficient.
Dude you should have named the video title "The end Haas begun"
I did consider it but I've done it once before.
the end HAAS begun
I made that joke before so I didn't want to overdo it!
I vote Steiner come to Arrow Mclaren, or another team in indycar.
I reckon he will head over to TV and become a pundit.