As much we'll all miss Gunther, who especially made a name for himself on DTS, but at the same time, Haas needed to make some changes to further improve the team.
It's the other way around Gene worked backwards despite Gunther gave almost everything to haas and helped the team most of the way just for him to get the boot😢
No based on the press release it's pretty clear that Haas are going nowhere and that's why Gunther's out, he wanted more investment to upgrade the facilities and try and push the team forward but Gene is happy sitting at the back of the grid.
@@beastfrombradford6685 Lewis lost 2021 because Mick was going in wheel to wheel fight against latifi and latifi couldn't do it with all that space left for him, and the Haas car was so much worse
The fact Gene Haas is just idly sitting around doing nothing with this prime opportunity in a booming f1 with a cost cap while Andretti is chomping at the bit to get in is such a damned crime.
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 You have to have the cost cap, every big sensible sport has one. Unless you want decades of only 2 or 3 teams being anywhere near the top.
@@LawVS I'm also just thinking more holistically. Anyeone with any ambition in that spot would be better for the sport. Gene Haas seems to have embraced mediocrity as a virtue.
@@jvomkrieg And since the budget cap has come one team has won 38 of 44 races There’s no difference on how many teams are winning the cream always rises to the top regardless of
If Gene Haas is still being an apathetic miser towards the team, i don't expect a change in management to make much of a difference. If anything, it makes me wonder if Steiner is happy to leave at this point because he knows there's nothing that can be done when the highest level doesn't care.
I am honestly really surprised Haas hasnt sold. They joined when F1 was at a pretty low point, and now that teams are being valued as high as they are I am surprised they are still around. Gene seems to barely care about F1, you hardly ever see him around races when compared to someone like Stroll. And it always seems like its annoying him to spend money on it. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for Guenther to work under him when it seems like he refused to spend money to make the team better, refused to take risks, and would rather just have a couple drivers at the back of the pack who wont crash the car so it wouldn't him a few million a season to fix it. Prefers a slow pointless billboard than an F1 car.
I feel like it would be for the better. Haas is fine with beeing a backmarker team and teams like Andretti are dying to joing the grid. Doesn't really seem fair considering that Andretti actually wants to win
He's got that team to loss money Of his books .he pays money to sponcer himself .then can write it off in expenses . Aston Martin Mr stroll is doing the same
I don't know very much about the management and executive structures at F1 teams but it's weird they can never find a position to promote someone to instead of firing them, given that someone like Gene or Binotto have significant strategic value. Especially Ferrari could easily have given Binotto a role outside the direct team so that it doesn't come out of the cost cap, but still have him keeping an eye on technical developments.
Haas F1 is not the only team Gene is running. He is also half owner of the Stewart - Haas NASCAR team. The NASCAR team is in about the same shape as the F1 team.
You climbed the ladder way faster than I expected! People warned me that things went crazy during the winter break but Gunther leaving was not on my bingo. Please drop your manifestation routine, perhaps I can use your powers to help my favorite drivers.
Gene hasn't invested in the infrastructure (equipment in factory, technology, etc) or nearly enough staff to ever move up the grid. Doesn't matter who is the TP. Their car isn't competitive and they don't have the capability to improve the car enough to climb out of back marker territory
Well this happened earlier than I expected this year! But it made sense. Thanks for the insight into Komatsu as I wasn't particularly aware of his background. I wish him the best of luck but if Gene isn't going to commit this could be a sunken ship already. And that's really sad. I hope there is some turnaround for them coming, for the people that work there.
Seems more like Komatsu is failing up which would just indicate more that Gene simply no longer cares. Unless of course we find out Komatsu is just a place holder.
Best thing for Haas is to be bought out by Andretti. The sport has evolved, Haas can't ever move up the grid by doing a minimally developed car. Under staffed, lack of investment - more of the same back marker results on the way.
You just couldn't resist making that title, couldn't you? Also, even though he was largely incompetent boss, I'm still gonna miss Waluigi Steiner. I hope he sticks around the sport in one way or another.
According to Sky F1 this decision was made in late December. I think you're right, they need new blood, a new team director with a fresh outlook. Strange team, Haas. Mind bogglingly successful in their first 18 months. Lots of airtime on Netflix. Never consistently at the bottom of the field over the years on Saturdays or Sundays, all over the place, but somehow always end up near the bottom by the end of the race and barely get any points.
I was listening to another podcaster (it is inferior, but reliable). The other podcaster said this: Guenther wanted to invest more money in the team. Gene said “It’s meeting my goals as-is.” In other words, Gene was okay with a 10th place finish. Guenther got quit because he was rattling the cage.
Not really. Gene Haas wants to see improvements as well, his goal might not be championships but to be at least somewhat competitive. The deciding factor was the difference on how him and Steiner want to achieve it. Steiner wanted investments and restructures while Haas is of the opinion that the team is not using it's resources to their full potential.
As a Mick fan loving this news, especially with how he handled a young man’s future and career. None the less, it’s time for a change at the dumpster fire that is HAAS. Granted a replacement won’t help much due to the fact this teams issues come down from Gene.
I was going to comment earlier about choosing a good day to post another video, but alas you still pull through! Legendary Law mate, love the videos :)
F1 posted an interview they did with Gene and he said they were only $10mil under the cost cap this year so it actually might truly be an inefficiency in where they're putting money. He also explained why he didn't pick an experienced TP. Really interesting article!
Interesting. I thought they were AT the cost cap level. And yes I did read it and I get what he is saying that he is trying to make the team mroe efficient...but he should also be investing more alongside efficiencies. This still feels like to me a last roll of the dice but it's a good article.
LawVS did some magic sorcery with his last video about Gunther 😂 hopefully Haas can grow with the changes and maybe the other American / Romanian ex team principal will get a shot at Haas. Ps I loved the Mick Schumacher joke 🤣
Like you said, this season will be telling; whether Guenther was actually any good as TP, and the future prospects of Haas as the 10th team.. can’t wait!
I have a feeling you might be right, this might be the slow death of Haas F1 and it could be the 'in' that Andretti might be looking for. Depends on how badly Gene might eventually be looking for an out, would he dare sell to Michael.
I think it's not totally unfair not to pump in a ton of new money right away. I bet there's a whole slew of internal metrics and performance indicators that they can work to improve, as you mentioned, around making sure they're doing as much as they can with what they have. if you can't manage less money efficiently, you're not going to be able to manage more money efficiently either
I don't expect immediate buttloads of cash...but at least the reassurance that Gene still values the team in terms of giving them the assets to refresh.
A few years ago, a full second deficit to P1 team could net you P4~P5. Today, a full second deficit actually put you in backmarkers position. The grid tightens but Haas stood still relative to the rest of the grid.
You better perform in the F1 23 Manager game or you could be next one fired. Sadly it was time for him to go hopefully it will work out well for both parties.
Something had to change at Haas but sacking the face of the team and replacing him with a PR nobody isn't going to work ( for the sponsors ) unless the team rises to rank 5/6 and Gene Haas takes his physical involvement up a notch or two.
@@LawVS Well a similar move worked for McLaren , but they have Zak Brown to do a lot of the non technical stuff , at Haas Gene is a owner at a distance so everything comes at Komatsu's shoulders.
My old boss used to call people like Gene Haas, "Cheapskate". But in all fairness Gene Haas doesn't run a multi-billion tool making business by chance. There has to be business acumen in his decisions.
honestly i think you are right about haas thinking of selling up. looks like his nascar team he coowns is going through the same troubles as well! The interesting question is who will he sell to? Calvin Lo, Hitech, Benjamin Durand ( LKY SUNZ) or others? ( this was a reason when usually when new teams enter f1 there are 2 or 3 teams in case they fail and have at least 10 teams on the grid)
Hey man like the first thing I ever do in any of your vids is to like it but just now thought about how you never ask for likes maybe you should at the end of every vid or at the beginning it would help you grow your channel as it would lead to more exposure
2 weeks ago you had this event right on the money. I was chuckling to myself today hearing this news. I was saying, "I know, Lawrence has already said so ....". Hence, armed with this knowledge, I was thus not surprised. Have any ideas for next weeks EuroMillions lottery ?
7:59 I think that in the CNC world people view Haas as a good low budget brand. And having worldwide brand awareness with the general public is a good thing, even at the bottom of the pack. It’s cheaper than doing a global marketing campaign. But they need to score a few more points to make the F1 project viable. In 2023 the sponsors (and Haas) got almost no airtime.
If they stay a few millions in the red it’s probably still worth it. But idk, if they bagged a podium then they could finally start selling some Haas merch. There are dozens of Haas fans.
@LawVs I agree 100% maybe Andretti buys them going into the 2026 campaign also would be best for both parties . Michael gets his team and Gene gets his money .
Seeing haas fail especially Gene not putting up the money is not surprising. His nascar team was mid to back of the pack too until Tony Stewart bought into the team and changed everything around
Komatsu seems more even tempered and probably a more stable presence in the paddock for Haas. Plus, his engineering background should give the team a better chance at yearly development. I hope he does well, but you can't really do any worse than Steiner. Guenther was great for PR, but probably not the best choice for TP.
That's true and yes, his engineering experience will be more useful in a way but there's no outward perspective or a fresh pair of eyes possibly being around to offer a new way of looking at things.
IMO, this was going to happen at some point, either Steiner deciding himself not to renew his contract or Gene preparing Haas for a change which might not be good at all. It's certainly going to sting Haas PR wise going forward, especially with how they pulled an Alpine on Guenther without informing him. Having engineering in the centre of management instead of being in Engineering is out of place. Komatsu may just be next if he isn't able to pull a miracle from what Haas have already developed. With them losing Simone as well, they are already down both knees from where they were. 2024 is going to be a hell of a season.
Michael is the answer - it was written a while ago. It just fits too perfectly and doesn't have to write a ck for half a billion dollars to Toto and Christian.
i just already know that Steiner leaving will be a DTS cliff-hanger in the upcoming season 6 and then the first shot of season 7 will be Steiner saying "I'M BACKKK" and he'll be some kind of host 🙄
His dream driver pairing has honestly let him down. His main mistake was that it didn't seem like he emphasised the importance of not crashing. It honestly seems this was never communicated at all. It should've been ingrained in the team culture. This was his main leadership mistake.
Was listening to someone else and they pointed out that there wasn't a whole lot of resources put in, doesn't have the facilities to wine and dine sponsors, etc so most of the sponsors were there because of Guenther trying to charm them to keep it going. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
LOL you really do a decent Danny Ric roflmao!!!! I'll miss him because he is pure gold when he opened his mouth. Its going to be interesting huh. BTW Matias was an engineer and you saw how long he lasted as the head of Ferrari?????
You said it so much better and neutral/politely than TacticalRab who clearly hates haas (and REDBULL) and stated haas needs to sell the team. I like your style so much better.
Mattia Binotto to Haas, that would be the day, would he take his trusted team of race engineers? (Engineer) So Nico we are thinking about plan B...(Nico) What is plan B...(Engineer) We're checking...(a few minutes later) Plan B is pitting the next lap...(Nico) Next lap 5 minutes ago or next lap now....(Engineer) We're checking...(15 minutes later) The next lap from now...(Nico) You do now the race ended 5 minutes ago? Gonna miss Gunther though, really liked him.
I wouldnt be suprised if haas is the next team to either be sold or rebrand like sauber next. Another big market team with the money to invest into a factory and the works, like Aston, Merc and Audi before them. The demand and popularity is at a high and more and more teams will operate at the cost cap limit regularly and comfortably.
I think something does need to be done big time with Haas - their outsourcing programme is not working anymore, and it's leading to them routinely not understanding their cars enough to either fix recurring issues or improve what they have. Maybe Andretti taking over might happen if being the 11th team doesn't get approved, but I can't see their current direction turning anything around. It's not quiet end days of Stoddart's Minardi desperate, but one can definitely see the other close enough to make out the writing on the back of their jacket... Agreed on Indy though, if we're going to keep with 3 US races, swapping Miami for Indy would be a good thing
It used to work but it needed further investment which Gene failed to provide and their sponsor picks marred with controversy scuppered sustainable income.
Im not sure about that. Ofcourse he didn't really pushed them forward. But it feels like he didn't have the funding/backing he needed. I'm not saying that with the proper funding he would suddenly push Haas near Red Bull level. But i think they wouldn't have come last at least
NGL I don't think that sacking Steiner will fix things because Haas is a fundementally flawed team. They're an operation split into 3 in the US, UK, and Italy. They don't make their own cars and upgrades, they're made by Dellara, and they are hyper reliant on Ferrari to perform well for them to also perform decently in the constructors. It's no surprise that whenever Ferrari makes some kind of title challenge, Haas has a decent season (2017, 2018, 2022, 2016 is the outlier). I also don't think that Otmar Szafnauer would've been a good replacement either because he was working for teams that did have significant financial backing from owners who wanted to perform well, and when he moved to a team that didn't want to improve and adapt (Alpine), he got sacked, and then later called out Alpine for working under the budget cap by a double digit figure, essentially saying "You're not giving me the ability to do my job."
Im thinking if they get last next year (which i think they will) they WILL loose Hulkenberg and Hass will sell to Andretti. I think Gene just doesnt want to add any money to the team before he sells it.
I reckon they've already lost Nico. Sauber want him and he wants to be in on the ground floor for Audi. Haas will need to score regularly and have a better game plan than Audi.
It's a weird situation, in many ways this was Steiners team as much if not more than Haas's so to see him ousted is a surprise. On the other hand, for the massive breadth and depth of his experience, the only thing missing from his CV is success (outside of rallying at least). I tend to agree with Gene Haas on this, whilst the team is never going to be a race winner without serious investment they should be doing better than they are, designing a fast car doesn't seem to be a problem after all given how many times Hulkenburg qualified in the top 10. It'll be interesting to see how Komatsu does, but it'll be the second half of the year before we see anything of note.
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The fact that this guy climbs up his letter twice a day to talk about f1, is truly remarkable
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Letter. lol
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His calfs are probably so ripped 🤤
Was gonna say thats a big latter but you corrected it already @moonensiljo5523
As much we'll all miss Gunther, who especially made a name for himself on DTS, but at the same time, Haas needed to make some changes to further improve the team.
You got it the other way around. Gene Haas is against change. Guenther wanted to change things.
It's the other way around Gene worked backwards despite Gunther gave almost everything to haas and helped the team most of the way just for him to get the boot😢
No based on the press release it's pretty clear that Haas are going nowhere and that's why Gunther's out, he wanted more investment to upgrade the facilities and try and push the team forward but Gene is happy sitting at the back of the grid.
"As much we'll all miss Gunther"
Speak for yourself dumbo.......................
They really needed to...but maybe it should've been an external source.
That Mick Schumacher dig was honestly great.
Latifi was better then mick
@@beastfrombradford6685 Lewis lost 2021 because Mick was going in wheel to wheel fight against latifi and latifi couldn't do it with all that space left for him, and the Haas car was so much worse
@@ehsancandrive the fact he’s being compared to latifi shows how bad he was
The fact Gene Haas is just idly sitting around doing nothing with this prime opportunity in a booming f1 with a cost cap while Andretti is chomping at the bit to get in is such a damned crime.
Which is one of the reasons I’m anti cost cap
Those two have beef and Gene probably won't sell out of spite.
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 You have to have the cost cap, every big sensible sport has one. Unless you want decades of only 2 or 3 teams being anywhere near the top.
@@LawVS I'm also just thinking more holistically. Anyeone with any ambition in that spot would be better for the sport. Gene Haas seems to have embraced mediocrity as a virtue.
@@jvomkrieg And since the budget cap has come one team has won 38 of 44 races
There’s no difference on how many teams are winning the cream always rises to the top regardless of
Despite these problems I remain confident of Haas getting another top 10 finish in the constructors championship.
I reckon Gene won't sell to Michael purely out of stubborness.
If Gene Haas is still being an apathetic miser towards the team, i don't expect a change in management to make much of a difference. If anything, it makes me wonder if Steiner is happy to leave at this point because he knows there's nothing that can be done when the highest level doesn't care.
The statement didn't fill me with confidence.
I am honestly really surprised Haas hasnt sold. They joined when F1 was at a pretty low point, and now that teams are being valued as high as they are I am surprised they are still around. Gene seems to barely care about F1, you hardly ever see him around races when compared to someone like Stroll. And it always seems like its annoying him to spend money on it.
I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for Guenther to work under him when it seems like he refused to spend money to make the team better, refused to take risks, and would rather just have a couple drivers at the back of the pack who wont crash the car so it wouldn't him a few million a season to fix it. Prefers a slow pointless billboard than an F1 car.
I feel like it would be for the better. Haas is fine with beeing a backmarker team and teams like Andretti are dying to joing the grid. Doesn't really seem fair considering that Andretti actually wants to win
I reckon Gene wants to just coast along at the back to make use of F1's growing global influence.
He's got that team to loss money Of his books .he pays money to sponcer himself .then can write it off in expenses . Aston Martin Mr stroll is doing the same
I don't know very much about the management and executive structures at F1 teams but it's weird they can never find a position to promote someone to instead of firing them, given that someone like Gene or Binotto have significant strategic value. Especially Ferrari could easily have given Binotto a role outside the direct team so that it doesn't come out of the cost cap, but still have him keeping an eye on technical developments.
Binotto got sacked yo
Sacked in the morning
what do you mean Gene has strategic value? He literally owns the team 😂
Where do you go from team boss though? Anything else is a demotion so why would they want to accept that?
It's kinda what they did with Resta and the other Ferrari refugees.
Haas F1 is not the only team Gene is running. He is also half owner of the Stewart - Haas NASCAR team. The NASCAR team is in about the same shape as the F1 team.
Which isn't exactly a good endorsement for his decision making.
Love the justice for mick Schumacher haha such a great video
While I think it was right to get rid of Gunther, I think Gene needs to sell to someone who is actually willing to invest and grow the team
Enter Michael Andretti...
@@LawVS hopefully he won’t have an American team in Russian colours 😅
The danny ric impression is spot on 👍
You climbed the ladder way faster than I expected! People warned me that things went crazy during the winter break but Gunther leaving was not on my bingo. Please drop your manifestation routine, perhaps I can use your powers to help my favorite drivers.
It's years of writing stories, doing well in history class and boning up on evaluation of sources and news.
I'm a big Haas fan I hope this change makes the team as a whole perform better
As a Haas fan and Gene Haas hater, it will very much be bad
they small sadly
Gene hasn't invested in the infrastructure (equipment in factory, technology, etc) or nearly enough staff to ever move up the grid. Doesn't matter who is the TP. Their car isn't competitive and they don't have the capability to improve the car enough to climb out of back marker territory
Either that or it's the last roll of the dice.
Well this happened earlier than I expected this year! But it made sense. Thanks for the insight into Komatsu as I wasn't particularly aware of his background. I wish him the best of luck but if Gene isn't going to commit this could be a sunken ship already. And that's really sad. I hope there is some turnaround for them coming, for the people that work there.
Seems more like Komatsu is failing up which would just indicate more that Gene simply no longer cares.
Unless of course we find out Komatsu is just a place holder.
Best thing for Haas is to be bought out by Andretti. The sport has evolved, Haas can't ever move up the grid by doing a minimally developed car. Under staffed, lack of investment - more of the same back marker results on the way.
Yeah I didn't see this coming right now.
I don’t think Guenther was the thing holding Haas back… so far he was the only thing marketable in the team.
He wasn't the only thing. Gene's wallet was another factor.
You just couldn't resist making that title, couldn't you?
Also, even though he was largely incompetent boss, I'm still gonna miss Waluigi Steiner. I hope he sticks around the sport in one way or another.
I got told off for not doing it in my original video. I'm making amends.
According to Sky F1 this decision was made in late December. I think you're right, they need new blood, a new team director with a fresh outlook. Strange team, Haas. Mind bogglingly successful in their first 18 months. Lots of airtime on Netflix. Never consistently at the bottom of the field over the years on Saturdays or Sundays, all over the place, but somehow always end up near the bottom by the end of the race and barely get any points.
They just don't have the right kind of racecraft and there's so sign of that changing.
I was listening to another podcaster (it is inferior, but reliable). The other podcaster said this: Guenther wanted to invest more money in the team. Gene said “It’s meeting my goals as-is.”
In other words, Gene was okay with a 10th place finish. Guenther got quit because he was rattling the cage.
Not really. Gene Haas wants to see improvements as well, his goal might not be championships but to be at least somewhat competitive. The deciding factor was the difference on how him and Steiner want to achieve it. Steiner wanted investments and restructures while Haas is of the opinion that the team is not using it's resources to their full potential.
Agreed. Guenther knew what he wanted to do, but Gene had had enough of it.
As a Mick fan loving this news, especially with how he handled a young man’s future and career. None the less, it’s time for a change at the dumpster fire that is HAAS. Granted a replacement won’t help much due to the fact this teams issues come down from Gene.
Bro is a prophet fr fr.
I was going to comment earlier about choosing a good day to post another video, but alas you still pull through! Legendary Law mate, love the videos :)
So it is confirmed that Gene Haas is a LawVs subscriber…
Maybe...yet he hasn't called me.
First of all you willed this into existence 2nd that title you've done him dirty
Get over it
Folks were telling me off for not making the pun originally.
Wow, you were right.
Underrated comment here
I just don't think it's gonna happen so soon, lol.@@Duriel123
😂 fair enough!
Arrivederci Guenther. God bless the years of foksmash he gave us.
been waiting for your vid for this all day
F1 posted an interview they did with Gene and he said they were only $10mil under the cost cap this year so it actually might truly be an inefficiency in where they're putting money. He also explained why he didn't pick an experienced TP. Really interesting article!
Interesting. I thought they were AT the cost cap level. And yes I did read it and I get what he is saying that he is trying to make the team mroe efficient...but he should also be investing more alongside efficiencies. This still feels like to me a last roll of the dice but it's a good article.
Just like Binotto, I won't miss Guenther, but I'll miss the memes.
I think Mattia would be better suited for an engineering background role rather than as a TP.
the title and that first 8 seconds were just incredible!
LawVS did some magic sorcery with his last video about Gunther 😂 hopefully Haas can grow with the changes and maybe the other American / Romanian ex team principal will get a shot at Haas. Ps I loved the Mick Schumacher joke 🤣
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Like you said, this season will be telling; whether Guenther was actually any good as TP, and the future prospects of Haas as the 10th team.. can’t wait!
I reckon he wasn't terrible but he lacked vision and probably lacked the freedom to pour money into fixing problems he could see.
It'll be interesting to see where Haas goes this year, especially since they're sticking with Nico Hulkenberg and KMag as drivers
I don't see any sudden uptick but I hope that they can at least chew their tyres less.
I have a feeling you might be right, this might be the slow death of Haas F1 and it could be the 'in' that Andretti might be looking for. Depends on how badly Gene might eventually be looking for an out, would he dare sell to Michael.
0:03 Sick burn, Dude!
Yessss! The perfect intro!!! Love you mick 🫶🏽
I am convinced Gene Haas is watching your videos and taking notes XD
I think it's not totally unfair not to pump in a ton of new money right away. I bet there's a whole slew of internal metrics and performance indicators that they can work to improve, as you mentioned, around making sure they're doing as much as they can with what they have. if you can't manage less money efficiently, you're not going to be able to manage more money efficiently either
I don't expect immediate buttloads of cash...but at least the reassurance that Gene still values the team in terms of giving them the assets to refresh.
@@LawVS that’s fair. Don’t want what they do have to fall into effective disrepair from financial neglect
Never could have seen this one coming! Was most likely a change that needed to happen, hopefully for the better.
Yeah didn't expect it to happen right now.
Yea it was about time. Haas looked directionless and needed to take a different approach. Hopefully it helps move them up the grid.
They still do in a way, but I want to give Komatsu a chance.
Even when you talked about this in the previous video I didn’t think it would happen this season
us schumacher fans living large today
It's a small crumb of comfort.
I have a feeling the Guenmeister will tell his side of the story Steiner style.
For sure, he's got a gig at the Autosport even this weekend.
That Filet Mignon F1 team joke actually took wayyyy longer for me to get than I would like to admit
A few years ago, a full second deficit to P1 team could net you P4~P5. Today, a full second deficit actually put you in backmarkers position. The grid tightens but Haas stood still relative to the rest of the grid.
Yep. Some Q2 sessions are separated by 0.7s
I can’t get over the daniel impersonation. I love it
I had a feeling there would be an extra video dropping today
You better perform in the F1 23 Manager game or you could be next one fired. Sadly it was time for him to go hopefully it will work out well for both parties.
Something had to change at Haas but sacking the face of the team and replacing him with a PR nobody isn't going to work ( for the sponsors ) unless the team rises to rank 5/6 and Gene Haas takes his physical involvement up a notch or two.
To be fair, Komatsu is a constant and has been there since the start. Gene wants a stable pair of hands with an engineering edge.
@@LawVS Well a similar move worked for McLaren , but they have Zak Brown to do a lot of the non technical stuff , at Haas Gene is a owner at a distance so everything comes at Komatsu's shoulders.
My old boss used to call people like Gene Haas, "Cheapskate". But in all fairness Gene Haas doesn't run a multi-billion tool making business by chance. There has to be business acumen in his decisions.
Could be there isn't at all. Whether for better or worse, 2024 will confirm it
Of course, but whether or not it works in F1 that's another matter.
they should have made the guy that runs Titans of CNC be team Principal
honestly i think you are right about haas thinking of selling up. looks like his nascar team he coowns is going through the same troubles as well! The interesting question is who will he sell to? Calvin Lo, Hitech, Benjamin Durand ( LKY SUNZ) or others? ( this was a reason when usually when new teams enter f1 there are 2 or 3 teams in case they fail and have at least 10 teams on the grid)
Gunther getting the bums rush was as inevitable as Thanos.
Just sad in the manner of his departure.
If Haas is not willing to invest this change is going to mean very little to nothing.
Sounds like no additional investment is coming.
Hey man like the first thing I ever do in any of your vids is to like it but just now thought about how you never ask for likes maybe you should at the end of every vid or at the beginning it would help you grow your channel as it would lead to more exposure
I see what you mean but asking constantly would be a little distracting and I would rather engage with the audience about the topic at hand.
The thumbnail looked like it was one of the clickbait videos, but seeing that you posted it I realized he was really fired.
2 weeks ago you had this event right on the money. I was chuckling to myself today hearing this news. I was saying, "I know, Lawrence has already said so ....". Hence, armed with this knowledge, I was thus not surprised. Have any ideas for next weeks EuroMillions lottery ?
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Guenther was the one pushing for change in the team, Gene has 0 vision and puts too much pressure on the team to immediately jump up the field.
Guenther lacked vision with what he had to hand. He probably could rekindle it if he had the cash to look into it but he didn't.
7:59 I think that in the CNC world people view Haas as a good low budget brand. And having worldwide brand awareness with the general public is a good thing, even at the bottom of the pack. It’s cheaper than doing a global marketing campaign. But they need to score a few more points to make the F1 project viable. In 2023 the sponsors (and Haas) got almost no airtime.
I get what you mean but surely there's a saturation point or the start of diminishing returns.
If they stay a few millions in the red it’s probably still worth it. But idk, if they bagged a podium then they could finally start selling some Haas merch. There are dozens of Haas fans.
@LawVs I agree 100% maybe Andretti buys them going into the 2026 campaign also would be best for both parties . Michael gets his team and Gene gets his money .
I reckon Michael Andretti is seriously oiling up his chequebook.
Seeing haas fail especially Gene not putting up the money is not surprising. His nascar team was mid to back of the pack too until Tony Stewart bought into the team and changed everything around
I think Gene is going to sell soon and that this is a quick, cheap fix.
The title and thumbnail jokes are top tier Law 😂
Thank community input!
Komatsu seems more even tempered and probably a more stable presence in the paddock for Haas. Plus, his engineering background should give the team a better chance at yearly development. I hope he does well, but you can't really do any worse than Steiner. Guenther was great for PR, but probably not the best choice for TP.
That's true and yes, his engineering experience will be more useful in a way but there's no outward perspective or a fresh pair of eyes possibly being around to offer a new way of looking at things.
as soon as i herad the news i thought about this video
Respect for taking the Haas pun opportunity this time
If anything the DtS guys shouldn’t be too beat up about this as they can just hire Steiner for the show outright.
Funny whenever haas has a terrible season it’s been when they’ve had a main title sponsor
IMO, this was going to happen at some point, either Steiner deciding himself not to renew his contract or Gene preparing Haas for a change which might not be good at all. It's certainly going to sting Haas PR wise going forward, especially with how they pulled an Alpine on Guenther without informing him.
Having engineering in the centre of management instead of being in Engineering is out of place. Komatsu may just be next if he isn't able to pull a miracle from what Haas have already developed.
With them losing Simone as well, they are already down both knees from where they were. 2024 is going to be a hell of a season.
It seems like Gene wasn't willing to renew the contract in reaction to Guenther's latest report about more money needed.
@@LawVS That's understandable, especially with Gene's past behaviour regarding providing funds to help solve issues. This is certainly unfortunate.
Changed of subject just noticed that Lando is in Perth Australia with Danny mucking around..😂
Yeah he can do that. I'm not his dad.
2 videos in one day... The ladder man is him
Michael is the answer - it was written a while ago. It just fits too perfectly and doesn't have to write a ck for half a billion dollars to Toto and Christian.
Yeah. Andretti has courted Haas for years. It's inevitable.
Some people are great at getting g things moving but not running the actual operation.
Did Steiner ever get the budget he needed to get haas the results he wanted? That won't change
He had it for the first time this season
i just already know that Steiner leaving will be a DTS cliff-hanger in the upcoming season 6 and then the first shot of season 7 will be Steiner saying "I'M BACKKK" and he'll be some kind of host 🙄
Definitely. He will be back in some capacity.
His dream driver pairing has honestly let him down. His main mistake was that it didn't seem like he emphasised the importance of not crashing. It honestly seems this was never communicated at all. It should've been ingrained in the team culture. This was his main leadership mistake.
Yes. It's a shame he didn't have the right oversight or maybe a rejigged leadership structure.
Was listening to someone else and they pointed out that there wasn't a whole lot of resources put in, doesn't have the facilities to wine and dine sponsors, etc so most of the sponsors were there because of Guenther trying to charm them to keep it going.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Oh yeah. Gene finds them and Guenther keeps them sweet.
LOL you really do a decent Danny Ric roflmao!!!! I'll miss him because he is pure gold when he opened his mouth. Its going to be interesting huh. BTW Matias was an engineer and you saw how long he lasted as the head of Ferrari?????
Ouch! What an intro 😂😂
ran here as soon as i heard the news
You said it so much better and neutral/politely than TacticalRab who clearly hates haas (and REDBULL) and stated haas needs to sell the team. I like your style so much better.
It's best to look at this and just give a fair take and see what it is.
10:53 I see what you did there
My wild guess for the Season, Netflix is gonna hire him.
Don’t really see them improving a lot without good investment, but we will see.
Executive producer.
Mattia Binotto to Haas, that would be the day, would he take his trusted team of race engineers?
(Engineer) So Nico we are thinking about plan B...(Nico) What is plan B...(Engineer) We're checking...(a few minutes later) Plan B is pitting the next lap...(Nico) Next lap 5 minutes ago or next lap now....(Engineer) We're checking...(15 minutes later) The next lap from now...(Nico) You do now the race ended 5 minutes ago?
Gonna miss Gunther though, really liked him.
I saw the news and first thought was “when the Lawvs video coming out”
Was waiting for this video 😂😂
Fair play, you kinda predicted it
that joke in the start tho lmfao
YOU DID THIS, YOU DID THIS 😢
Gene fok watched the video
Ottmar would be a really good choice
Imagine Alfa Romeu Haas BWT team
He would be a good choice for a small, underdog team.
I wouldnt be suprised if haas is the next team to either be sold or rebrand like sauber next. Another big market team with the money to invest into a factory and the works, like Aston, Merc and Audi before them. The demand and popularity is at a high and more and more teams will operate at the cost cap limit regularly and comfortably.
Alfa Romeo almost did just that but they pulled out since it wasn't going to be as deep a relationship that Sauber had with them.
I just watched your video saying he needs to go this morning
2018 was great fo Haas. The issue is 2018 was 6 years ago and for the past 3 Haas is fighting for the last place in WCC
Yes, it proved the concept Guenther set up worked. However, when Gene brought in Rich Energy it completely undid the credibility of the team.
I hope sponsors pull their funding and force Gene to sell Haas. They're going absolutely nowhere in F1.
They barely have any sponsors...
@@LawVS naturally 😂
I think something does need to be done big time with Haas - their outsourcing programme is not working anymore, and it's leading to them routinely not understanding their cars enough to either fix recurring issues or improve what they have. Maybe Andretti taking over might happen if being the 11th team doesn't get approved, but I can't see their current direction turning anything around. It's not quiet end days of Stoddart's Minardi desperate, but one can definitely see the other close enough to make out the writing on the back of their jacket... Agreed on Indy though, if we're going to keep with 3 US races, swapping Miami for Indy would be a good thing
It used to work but it needed further investment which Gene failed to provide and their sponsor picks marred with controversy scuppered sustainable income.
Geunther did alot for haas. He was surviving to drive. And he will be foksmashed (missed)
But it's about time
Yes he got them started...he just didn't know how to follow it up
or ran out of time@@LawVS
Im not sure about that. Ofcourse he didn't really pushed them forward. But it feels like he didn't have the funding/backing he needed.
I'm not saying that with the proper funding he would suddenly push Haas near Red Bull level. But i think they wouldn't have come last at least
I agree, if you are not improving then you are pretty much obsolete@@Duriel123
Fair enough. I do have a question tho. In your opinion@@Alteringartswho should take over?
NGL I don't think that sacking Steiner will fix things because Haas is a fundementally flawed team. They're an operation split into 3 in the US, UK, and Italy. They don't make their own cars and upgrades, they're made by Dellara, and they are hyper reliant on Ferrari to perform well for them to also perform decently in the constructors. It's no surprise that whenever Ferrari makes some kind of title challenge, Haas has a decent season (2017, 2018, 2022, 2016 is the outlier).
I also don't think that Otmar Szafnauer would've been a good replacement either because he was working for teams that did have significant financial backing from owners who wanted to perform well, and when he moved to a team that didn't want to improve and adapt (Alpine), he got sacked, and then later called out Alpine for working under the budget cap by a double digit figure, essentially saying "You're not giving me the ability to do my job."
Yes. It's a temporary rattling of cages and a show to the world something is being done. Guenther is the scapegoat for Gene.
Im thinking if they get last next year (which i think they will) they WILL loose Hulkenberg and Hass will sell to Andretti. I think Gene just doesnt want to add any money to the team before he sells it.
I reckon they've already lost Nico. Sauber want him and he wants to be in on the ground floor for Audi. Haas will need to score regularly and have a better game plan than Audi.
It's a weird situation, in many ways this was Steiners team as much if not more than Haas's so to see him ousted is a surprise. On the other hand, for the massive breadth and depth of his experience, the only thing missing from his CV is success (outside of rallying at least). I tend to agree with Gene Haas on this, whilst the team is never going to be a race winner without serious investment they should be doing better than they are, designing a fast car doesn't seem to be a problem after all given how many times Hulkenburg qualified in the top 10.
It'll be interesting to see how Komatsu does, but it'll be the second half of the year before we see anything of note.
Yeah, Guenther made it all happen whilst Gene sat back and let him get on with it.