Hisuian Pokemon in Gen 9 Competitive - How Good Will They Be?

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  • @jimothycool
    @jimothycool  Рік тому +336

    Sorry guys I missed Overqwil.
    Just took a look now, Interesting but strange typing for a Swift Swimmer. Not sure if you'd run this on Rain or as just an Offensive Hazard Setter with Intimidate. Don't think this will end up OU but I could be wrong
    Also woops Rock type does not resist itself I am dumb. And I actually missed a lot of stuff!!! A lot of new info to take in Forgive me.

    • @xdidi414
      @xdidi414 Рік тому +9

      No worries, Jim! Good stuff

    • @BushSage
      @BushSage Рік тому +15

      if only rock blocked rock...

    • @matthewhubbard4562
      @matthewhubbard4562 Рік тому +9

      thoughts on Samurott-Hisui using Ceaseless Edge?

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому +29

      @@matthewhubbard4562 Samurott is gonna be insane, that's one of the strongest moves I've ever seen

    • @zoa1-99.......
      @zoa1-99....... Рік тому +6

      This is why you should actually PLAY THE GAMES. Legends Arceus is a good game, and it'd help us believe you more if you actually played it and KNEW WHAT you were talking about better.

  • @thegoldengoat2560
    @thegoldengoat2560 Рік тому +500

    Samurott gets a move that sets up spikes and is boosted by sharpness

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому +229

      WTF

    • @rottyonamac
      @rottyonamac Рік тому +118

      Yeah I was literally screaming when he missed that lol.

    • @rukayatuawudu9995
      @rukayatuawudu9995 Рік тому +65

      For some reason the move is part of the "usually useless moves" group.

    • @Metaknighttheloneswordsman
      @Metaknighttheloneswordsman Рік тому +47

      Bro you can run
      Aqua Cutter
      Ceaseless Edge
      Psycho Cut
      Sacred Sword
      Samurott is finally good!

    • @REDscar9000
      @REDscar9000 Рік тому +13

      @@Metaknighttheloneswordsman that sounds horrifying to battle against 😂

  • @abarette_
    @abarette_ Рік тому +126

    Stone Edge with more accuracy and sets up Stealth Rocks.
    Bravo Game Freak.

  • @Rarest26
    @Rarest26 Рік тому +146

    Sheer force doesn’t remove high crit ratios, but it would remove the speed boost. I feel like tinted lens is gonna be better anyways.

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому +49

      Specs Hurricane with Sheer Force in Rain sounds kinda epic

    • @Rarest26
      @Rarest26 Рік тому +14

      @@jimothycool It does, good for it for having more than one good set.

    • @harshjaria2136
      @harshjaria2136 Рік тому +1

      It would be good poke to surprise ur opponent with its variety in set i don't think it would be a ou staple but could see some play in uu.

    • @ALEXXXXX3
      @ALEXXXXX3 Рік тому +1

      Hisuian Pokémon = Power creep

    • @harshjaria2136
      @harshjaria2136 Рік тому

      @@ALEXXXXX3 we all know new gens or some game which introduce new mons or form to old. Mon are filled with power creep

  • @_Podzilla_
    @_Podzilla_ Рік тому +114

    Hisuan Lilligant has Chlorophyll AND Solar Blade. Run that with a Protosynthesis team and you're set

    • @Bluepainter68
      @Bluepainter68 Рік тому +9

      It’s pretty strong with Victory Dance too

  • @zennistrad
    @zennistrad Рік тому +90

    Hisuian Zoroark is notable to me because it's pretty much a hard counter to most Annihilape builds. It's got full immunity to both of its STABs, plus special attack high enough to break through Annihilape's bulk, plus Illusion to try to bait out Drain Punch and Rage Fist while it sets up.

    • @doomknightsepulchure
      @doomknightsepulchure Рік тому +1

      Its so frail though. I could see it on stall teams that were ordinarily just food for annihilape. Being able to shut down the optimal ape set is really good if that's the difference between your team structure losing to ape vs not losing, but keep in mind that ape wasn't an overcentralizing force. Given that, I don't see anything but stall teams using zoro-h since its just too mediocre to spend an entire team slot countering one mon that isn't even mandatory on every team

    • @Samuel-qc7kg
      @Samuel-qc7kg Рік тому +1

      ​@@doomknightsepulchure It is not good just against the ape tho.

    • @doomknightsepulchure
      @doomknightsepulchure Рік тому +1

      @@Samuel-qc7kg Yeah my comment turned out to be pretty wrong lmao

  • @Anzyll
    @Anzyll Рік тому +282

    I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Goodra-Hisui's Sap Sipper gives you immunity to Spore/Sleep Powder as well, which is pretty big for VGC.

    • @dayandere2669
      @dayandere2669 Рік тому +59

      it gives immunity to ALL grass moves, so yes

    • @Browlet540
      @Browlet540 Рік тому +24

      And it's signature move shelter is also instant double defence isn't it?

    • @mystery5906
      @mystery5906 Рік тому +21

      i present to you the strongest pokemon of all time:
      ]:) (Goodra-Hisui) @ Leftovers
      Ability: Sap Sipper
      Level: 50
      Tera Type: Ghost
      EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
      Calm Nature
      IVs: 0 Atk
      - Shelter
      - Body Press
      - Flash Cannon
      - Life Dew
      222 spdef stat, and its defense is even higher after 1 shelter. shame it doesnt get slack off or anything, but its still absurdly bulky.

    • @hozkahilgarri3936
      @hozkahilgarri3936 Рік тому +9

      @@mystery5906 that's a nice set! Both Goodra forms are among my favorite Pokémon of all time!
      Ever since Goodra was introduced in gen6, one thing that slightly irritates me is that it cannot learn Giga Drain, despite Absorb being one of its earliest level up moves. Before life dew, the most reliable recovery was rest/hydration on rain teams, which was alright, but I personally just think if a mon gets Absorb at like lvl1 as one of the fundamental moves of the base form, then Giga Drain SHOULD be in the movepool. I mean, it gets Power Whip for Petes sake, so it could use a strong Grass special option.

    • @longingsoul1
      @longingsoul1 Рік тому +9

      @@mystery5906 Is there a reason to run Shelter over Acid Armor? Acid Armor seems to have double the pp and same effect, or is there an adverse affect I'm not aware of?

  • @splitsee2526
    @splitsee2526 Рік тому +116

    Ursaluna is gonna be like the Goldfish, hes gonna come from the shadows after the most op crap is banned and then it destroys everything

    • @zoa1-99.......
      @zoa1-99....... Рік тому +6

      Only applies to Somgon rules not the REAL OFFICIAL VGC rules.

    • @arctovishfan100
      @arctovishfan100 Рік тому +29

      @@zoa1-99....... right because nobody plays competitive singles okay

    • @zoa1-99.......
      @zoa1-99....... Рік тому

      @@arctovishfan100 doesn't make me incorrect.

    • @patrickburton1401
      @patrickburton1401 Рік тому +6

      Ursaluna is gonna be the best normal type since e-killer arceus

    • @xed8530
      @xed8530 Рік тому +7

      @@zoa1-99....... You know hating on smogon is cringe right lmao

  • @speculyn5060
    @speculyn5060 Рік тому +13

    I think that Hisuian Decidueye would be great as an assault vest user. It has some decent special bulk and will mainly be used to counter special mons like Gholdengo, so I would assume that it’d be best to enhance its bulk. Plus, we already saw what a speed-raising move can do with Quaquaval, and it doesn’t seem too crazy on it with base 85 speed, let alone another mon with base 65. Only downside is its quadruple weakness to flying mons, so it may suffer against mons such as Pelipper or Corviknight.
    Edit: As a Gholdengo counter, this thing it great. 252+ Atk Decidueye-Hisui Triple Arrows vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Gholdengo: 306-360 (80.9 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO. This isn't the only good move it has though. Apparently, Hisuian Decidueye has access to sucker punch. It could even just run close combat for an OHKO, albeit nullifying its vest boost. I honestly think this mon might have a really good niche as a lategame punishing sweeper and special ward.

  • @JuscelinoVibecheck
    @JuscelinoVibecheck Рік тому +23

    Sheer Force considers status increases as additional effects, but having a high crit rate not, so Esper Wing won't increase your speed but still have a high crit ratio while boosted by sheer force. Wish it was it opposite, but still cool nonetheless

  • @sham_noway
    @sham_noway Рік тому +71

    poison touch + dire claw is almost a guaranteed status effect every time its nuts

    • @Metaknighttheloneswordsman
      @Metaknighttheloneswordsman Рік тому +20

      And unburden with terrain seeds so you can run Adamant and some hp investment

    • @Mordecrox
      @Mordecrox Рік тому +5

      I read that as "guaranteed status effect every time it nuts"

  • @Browlet540
    @Browlet540 Рік тому +32

    Another thing about decidueye is that with terrestalization, it can not only change its otherwise poor defensive type into something better like ghost, steel; it is a trick room crit machine with scope lens, triple arrows, leaf blade, shadow claw, psycho cut maybe.
    I really look forward to seeing decidueye hisui to shine in the competitive ground coz it's my favourite pokemon, but was lack luster before.

  • @shrimppimp4509
    @shrimppimp4509 Рік тому +20

    Sligoo with an eviolite would be interesting since it has higher defenses than regular sligoo, also rest is decent for walls, atleast on dodonzo and annihilape
    Also azelf gets a new move 70 base power move that also 100% raises its special attack, so that's probably big,
    also adding loaded dice to victory dance liligant would probably be cool, if we give it bullet seed, gets a free 100 base power move or 125 if lucky, but idk if wide lens is better on hustle. Qwilfish is better as eviolite suicide lead, but during showdown, I'll give it, intimidate, barb barrage stockpile rest and liquidation. I would run typhlosion in a status spreading team like will o wisp dragapault or dire claw sneasler, or thunderwave chansey eruption is a must have I would probably try to thunderwave faster pokemon

  • @666blaziken
    @666blaziken Рік тому +15

    Ursaluna also gets facade and flame orb as well... Absolutely amazing

  • @patrickburton1401
    @patrickburton1401 Рік тому +21

    H-arcanine still takes 25% from stealth rock. Rock doesn’t resist rock. Edit: I see the pinned comment now lmao

  • @XmortoxX1990
    @XmortoxX1990 Рік тому +45

    Really want to play with Hissui Zoroark. I like the Ghost/Normal combination and looks really cool

    • @longingsoul1
      @longingsoul1 Рік тому +4

      I agree, I'm sad that it did get nerfed to be the same as normal Zoroark, and also still having illusion as an ability, that said Illusion is still a very fun ability and with three immunities I can play around with that.

    • @umbriel706
      @umbriel706 Рік тому +4

      As someone who’s used Zoroark a lot, best to keep our expectations low. It has a lot of issues regarding its stat distribution and its wack ability but I guess it could check Annihilape

    • @longingsoul1
      @longingsoul1 Рік тому +3

      @@umbriel706 I think it could generally be useful with it's ability this time around because it's ability would let you have more effective mind games with immunities to ghost, fighting, and normal. I plan to use it on an Aurora veil team once Alola Ninetales returns.

    • @umbriel706
      @umbriel706 Рік тому +3

      @@longingsoul1 I personally believe the ability itself doesn’t really work against experienced players and needs either a buff or a tweak. They could try and chip anyways with a would be neutral hit and OHKO the poor thing with its paper thin defenses. That and base 105 speed with a glass cannon is kinda iffy, it’s not bad but you’re still going to be outsped by a lot of the metagame and lose an otherwise valued sweeper. Personally I believe it’ll probably have the niche of checking Annihilape but I doubt it’ll be full on OU material with those issues, it can’t live a neutral hit to save its life and I wouldn’t really see a reason (so far) to use it over Gholdengo and Pult thus far

    • @longingsoul1
      @longingsoul1 Рік тому

      @@umbriel706 Certainly fair, I personally use things based on design and what I like, so I'll find a way to have fun with it.

  • @lucarilla9746
    @lucarilla9746 Рік тому +6

    Diggersby exists with the ground/normal type, i'm also a bit weirded outt by the fact that You didn't mention Facade in Ursaluna's movepool
    140 base attack stat, with x1.5 Guts boosted 1.5 times by STAB, and with x2 Power thanks to Facade effect

  • @wasabilover1293
    @wasabilover1293 Рік тому +19

    Hisuian-liligant will be great with solar blade cuz you'll only really use it during sunlight anyway

    • @christopherbennett5858
      @christopherbennett5858 Рік тому +8

      She’d also be good in a physical dancer team with Quacquavel, Oricorio, flamigo and the like.

  • @LtDarkWing
    @LtDarkWing Рік тому +39

    Ice/Rock is Amaura and Aurorus. So not unique to H-Avalugg.

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому +22

      True forgot about those fellas!

    • @LtDarkWing
      @LtDarkWing Рік тому +16

      Sheer Force doesn’t work on high crit rate moves. So it’ll remove the speed boost.

    • @thanib7796
      @thanib7796 Рік тому +1

      @@jimothycool Aurorus erasure!

  • @Dynamic256-ORIGINAL
    @Dynamic256-ORIGINAL Рік тому +8

    Sneasler is more than broken due to unburden and the move dire claw which has FIFTY PERCENT CHANCE to cause any of the three status conditions.

  • @harrydsgn
    @harrydsgn Рік тому +13

    Giving Typhlo-H Frisk was such a fumble… can’t even keep Flash Fire, which is a big asset on Typhlo-J

    • @recapdrake
      @recapdrake Рік тому +3

      At least it gets infernal parade which is pretty good

    • @devinnall2284
      @devinnall2284 Рік тому +6

      They could've at least gave it infiltrator or something

    • @InfraredGod
      @InfraredGod Рік тому

      @@recapdrake IP is fucking horrible. A glorified hex with less base power and only a 30% burn chance. Typhlo H is an RU mon for sure.

    • @recapdrake
      @recapdrake Рік тому

      @@InfraredGod you realize hex sees play right now right?

    • @InfraredGod
      @InfraredGod Рік тому

      @@recapdrake It does, but Typhlo isn’t bulky enough to get a will-o-wisp off and survive, let alone spam IP until he finally gets a burn. IP is the worst out of the signature Hisui starter moves by leaps and bounds.

  • @lstheprodigy7761
    @lstheprodigy7761 Рік тому +5

    Missed out on the ceaseless edge on samurott, dark mive boosted by sharpness that also sets up spike, and the fact that ursaluna gets a nice guts boosted facade which will hit like a truck

  • @supremeoverlordfallen5
    @supremeoverlordfallen5 Рік тому +13

    Ursaluna kinda sounds like Kingambit, just with more weakness but stronger moves and guts.

  • @VirtuesOfSin
    @VirtuesOfSin Рік тому +4

    I wish Infernal Parade was a Fire Type attack honestly. Running that and Hex would of been cool on the same Pokemon, basically running 120 power moves if you can status them, with one of them having a 30% chance to inflict the status.
    Will-o-wisp//Infernal Parade//Hex//[Filler Move]

  • @danielsmith5032
    @danielsmith5032 Рік тому +7

    16:00 You somehow twice missed Lilligant gets Ice Spinner too! Coverage of flying types

  • @bevindenson
    @bevindenson Рік тому +13

    Basculegion is the evolution of basculin from gen 5

  • @falcon9213
    @falcon9213 Рік тому +4

    Aurorus is Ice/Rock, Diggersby is also Ground/Normal

  • @jerivingarcia4800
    @jerivingarcia4800 Рік тому +1

    Hisuian Electrode, Aftermath or Soundproof... But with T wave, Leech seed, chloroplast, Foul Play or Electro ball then Shell Bell

  • @p.k.mmaster7636
    @p.k.mmaster7636 Рік тому +6

    Ceaseless edge signature attacking move of h-samurott also produce spike on the field

  • @Duppy0906
    @Duppy0906 Рік тому +13

    Jim: theres no other normal/ground that i can think about
    Diggersby: am i a joke to you
    also rip hisuan typhlosion, even its signature move isnt great, you also missed wyrdeers signature attack
    And the other genies get the same storm attack that enamorous gets but for theyr type

  • @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad

    Ice rock was on another pokemon, Aurorus. It also made the mistake of being a defensive ice/rock type

  • @Tyrant-eater
    @Tyrant-eater Рік тому +6

    Actually high crit ratio moves are not affected by sheer force

  • @largebigmacmealwithfanta
    @largebigmacmealwithfanta Рік тому +3

    so some food for thought. hawlucha was quite good for ou for its unburden grassy/electric seed sets with swords dance, acrobatics, close combat, and taunt, sub, or coverage. it had 98 attack and could sweep through teams even if it just gets one swords dance up. sneasler has 130 attack.

    • @patrickburton1401
      @patrickburton1401 Рік тому

      Flying and fighting is arguably a better offensive typing than fighting poison

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому +2

      Yep Sneasler is gonna be ridiculous

    • @lucasalarcon3230
      @lucasalarcon3230 Рік тому

      Lucha was faster that pretty much everthing with unberden he was a clearner, the new weavile is more like a utility breaker that status everthing

    • @largebigmacmealwithfanta
      @largebigmacmealwithfanta Рік тому

      @@lucasalarcon3230 and/or

  • @supe_nova
    @supe_nova Рік тому +1

    Scarf sharpness ceaseless edge samourott with gholdengo countering defog go brrrr

  • @chess_fella
    @chess_fella Рік тому +18

    I wonder how strong Hisuian Jimothy Cool will be? Stronger than the Australian form?

  • @user-rn7wf7ry4s
    @user-rn7wf7ry4s Рік тому +3

    dude missed out on ceaseless edge. that move's arguably even better than stone axe cuz spikes stack.

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому

      I already thought H Samurott looked good. That things gonna be busted

  • @TheUnique69able
    @TheUnique69able Рік тому +4

    Covert cloak will be as important as heavy duty boots when the hisuian pokemon are available

  • @fishfella8955
    @fishfella8955 Рік тому +1

    Qwilfish hisuian with eviolite may be a good lead with intimidate and hazards, it’s defense is really high with eviolite and it’s special defense is pretty good aswell.

  • @cwm464
    @cwm464 Рік тому +5

    scrappy fight that outspeeds gholdengo already exists:flamigo

  • @QuestionableLogic_
    @QuestionableLogic_ Рік тому +5

    Ice Rock in with abysmal Sp.Def in a metagame with Make It Rain?
    If Avalugg sees play I'll genuinely be shocked

    • @tecul1
      @tecul1 Рік тому

      regular avalugg is still used and has the same problems

    • @QuestionableLogic_
      @QuestionableLogic_ Рік тому

      @@tecul1 For real?

    • @tecul1
      @tecul1 Рік тому

      not ou by usage or anything, but it's very usable, it's not very outclassed either just its place as a physical wall with spin isn't very needed right now

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 Рік тому

      But when has a physical wall with Rapid Spin been needed outside of early Gen 8 OU? Also, part of Avalugg’s strange effectiveness is that it had Recover. It can’t do that anymore.

    • @tecul1
      @tecul1 Рік тому

      i mostly agree with you, corviknight has serviceable enough bulk, better typing, and defog is good enough most of the time, but there could be a time a spin pivot could be good again, like exca in oras, just not in recent memory

  • @rajkanishu
    @rajkanishu Рік тому +5

    iirc Headlong Rush was originally Ursaluna's signature move

    • @djdrizzy9139
      @djdrizzy9139 Рік тому +4

      And Torterra's. Both had it in Arceus.

  • @LukeA471
    @LukeA471 Рік тому +6

    Hisuian Pokemon had some crazy shit

  • @ferrousoxide7806
    @ferrousoxide7806 Рік тому +2

    If you run both version of zoroark on a team that could be interesting. Hisui Zoroark is immune to the fighting types, and resists bug, and neutral to fairy that regular Z is weak to, while regular Z resists the dark type that hisui Z is weak to. Team preview is always what kind of ruined the surprise element of Zoroark becuase you could anticipate it to well, but with two of them that cover each other weaknesses so well, playing the guessing game about which of three pokemon is actually out on the field (either of the Zs or the pokemon they are illusioned as) and getting it wrong could be fatal.

    • @devinnall2284
      @devinnall2284 Рік тому +1

      Hisui pokemon will probably fall under the species clause preventing doubles

    • @ferrousoxide7806
      @ferrousoxide7806 Рік тому

      @@devinnall2284 aww ya, you're right, cause they have the same nat dex number, that's boring.

  • @dannyblake9926
    @dannyblake9926 Рік тому +2

    can we talk about the fact that Basculegion get last respects the same move that got the hound banned
    I don't remember the format srry

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому +1

      I think that they'll end up banning the Move rather than the Pokemon. Probably what they should've done in the first place but whatever Lol.

  • @Ramperdos
    @Ramperdos Рік тому +5

    It's Kleavin' time and then you Stealth Rock all over your enemies.

  • @RinSolos_
    @RinSolos_ Рік тому +1

    Can’t wait to use Jolly Basculegion with Scarf making it faster than a +speed nature dragapult and scarf Ghoul with the adaptability boost too it’s gonna be the best end game sweeper.

  • @makebuu
    @makebuu Рік тому +1

    Here for the Banjo Kazooie music

  • @indiradevi6217
    @indiradevi6217 Рік тому +4

    The Fact you forgot about hisui qwilfish evo overqwil is so sad

  • @ShadowTasos
    @ShadowTasos Рік тому +1

    Jim my man I absolutely love your content but this one was a lil rushed lol. On top of straight up missing Overqwil, you missed the fact that nearly every Hisuian mon has a new signature move that they're kinda designed around and you saw like half of em lol
    Goodra - Shelter: Protect & +1 Def for you
    Samurott - Ceaseless Edge: Dark, Physical, 65 BP, boosted by Sharpness, 90% accuracy, creates spikes
    Typhlosion - Infernal Parade: Ghost, Special, 60 BP, 30% chance to burn & double dmg vs statused targets
    Zoroark - Bitter Malice: Ghost, Special, 75 BP, -1 Atk for target
    Wyrdeer - Psyshield Bash: Psychic, Physical, 70 BP, 90% accuracy, +1 Def for you
    You also missed some smaller things: Arcanine gains a semi-exclusive move, Raging Fury, which is Fire type Outrage basically, tho the Rock Head set will always run Flare Blitz instead. Also, the 3 pixies (Azelf, Uxie, Mesprit) get a new move, Mystical Power - Psychic, Special, 70 BP 90% accuracy, +1 SpA for you. That might put them on the OU radar!
    I'd do a double take on this one if I were you cos I think you got a really distorted view of some of these mons without their signature moves. Still love your stuff tho!

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому +1

      mb, I wanted to keep my first impressions Authentic but that made me miss a bunch of stuff. It's hard to fully evaluate all the options of a Mon that you're seeing for the first time. If I do somethin like this again I'll prepare for it more

    • @ShadowTasos
      @ShadowTasos Рік тому

      @@jimothycool yea on one hand I deffo like the authentic impressions, it was funny to see you get surprised by some of these broken moves. on the other hand I also rly wanted to hear your opinion on some of those other moves too, like Samurott is deffo going OU with that move imo but maybne Goodra and Wyrdeer have some potential too off their types. Zoroark is already strong due to its type (shits on Annihilape completely) but the move could also help it vs other phys checks, stuff like that

  • @Ju5t4l1z4rd
    @Ju5t4l1z4rd Рік тому +1

    Hisuian Goodra’s signiture move boosts defence and evasion in PLA, not sure if the evasion boost transfer over to Scarlet & Violet
    Also there’s Overquil.

  • @rodywitlox4414
    @rodywitlox4414 Рік тому +1

    Goodra can also be a sleep talk Pokémon with shell armor it should be able to always live those hits

  • @hozkahilgarri3936
    @hozkahilgarri3936 Рік тому +4

    One thing that bugs me about the meta is that, after alllll these years, we still don't have any Pokémon with an Ability to set trick room on entry. Heck, there's not even an item to extend it by 3 turns. I hope someday Trick Room gets a little buff

    • @kachebelka3416
      @kachebelka3416 Рік тому +2

      I think that an ability like that would be really cool for Smogon, but it would honestly suck for VGC. Trick Room is already quite strong in doubles formats, so it would probably really hurt VGC. But if that weren’t a problem I would definitely agree, since trick room has trouble lasting long enough to make a difference in singles, because usually the best abusers of Trick Room don’t actually learn it and have to rely on someone else to set it. And thus you have to set it up with those mons, then spend a turn switching to the Pokémon you want to have actually abuse it.

    • @kachebelka3416
      @kachebelka3416 Рік тому

      As far as making an item that could extend it, I’m not a hundred percent sure how powerful that would be. I’m pretty confident it would be useful, but I’m not sure if that might still be a bit too much for doubles

    • @hozkahilgarri3936
      @hozkahilgarri3936 Рік тому

      @@kachebelka3416 those are both really valid points, and I can't make a strong case against either. I've had similar thoughts about whether any buff to Trick Room would be too insane for doubles. The one I feel might be the least absurd would be an extender item, since it takes up a slot, and it seems natural considering the extension items for weather and terrain (and screens, though they aren't as impactful), and there's already the item Room Service.
      I suppose the caveat is that while weather and terrain only heavily affect specific Pokemon and moves, Trick Room reversing the speed tiers is a pretty huge deal. Either way, I'd like to see these "what ifs" explored in some way, like maybe if Smogon CAP drafted up a Pokémon specifically with a Trick Room ability.

    • @hozkahilgarri3936
      @hozkahilgarri3936 Рік тому

      Although... I should add that one has to bear in mind the matter of cancellation. Whilst weather and terrains can cancel each other, and also there's Cloud Nine, and even some niche ways to end terrain like Steel Roller, the only way to get rid of Trick Room is to wait it out. I suppose if it were buffed, it'd need an inverse "soft nerf" in the form of an attack or something that could promptly end trick room.

    • @kachebelka3416
      @kachebelka3416 Рік тому +1

      @@hozkahilgarri3936 Yeah, that’s what kinda sucks about having to worry about balancing both doubles and singles. But like I said, I’m not sure how much having an extender item would affect the meta. It needs to hit that fine line where it is just powerful enough to make it a more viable strat in singles while not being busted in doubles. I have the thought that maybe they could do the ability thing, but just have the only mon that has it be very fast, thus slowing itself down with its own ability. That way in doubles it wouldn’t be absolutely busted, I’m not sure if that would even be useful in singles though.
      Another thing I thought about is if they brought that ability in, but still had it on a mon that could use it effectively, what would the counters be? It’d be interesting to see. I wonder if people would actually run a counter trick room so that they could then just cancel trick room out. Or maybe Room Service could become meta as well. It’s very interesting to think about how the meta would adapt around a Pokémon like this.

  • @mbot1901
    @mbot1901 Рік тому +1

    I also think it’s important to point out that electrode has taunt as well so on most sets it might be good to slap on there

  • @noname-pp2vd
    @noname-pp2vd Рік тому +1

    i think i‘d like to use a substitute, swords dance, dire claw, close combat sneasler with black sludge

  • @dareales103
    @dareales103 Рік тому

    Love the Aquatic Ambiance in the background.

  • @Prod.thatsquazy
    @Prod.thatsquazy Рік тому +1

    Close combat + unburden + white herb on sneasler 🔥

  • @GunmarTheBlack
    @GunmarTheBlack Рік тому

    Rock Head Arcanine holding Choice Specs, Tera Rock, max Speed, Flare Blitz, Rock Head, E-Speed, and a coverage move with good team synergy, paired with a drought Torkoal

  • @RockHoward256
    @RockHoward256 Рік тому +1

    Sheer force Will be for wallbreaking, tinted lens for sweeping

  • @1originalaccountname
    @1originalaccountname Рік тому

    I can easily see H.Samurwott being a top tier mon in OU. It has so much going for it.
    While 90/80/60 isn't the most insane defenses, it's typing lets it resist the STABs of Gholdengo, Chi-Yu and Chien-Pao, which will make it useful in and of itself. It's bulk also is good enough to let it live a hit or two.
    85 speed is good enough to outrun most of not all defensive mons and would make for an excellent Choice Scarf user.
    Offensively is where it shines, 108/100 is actually really great when you realize pretty much every move it'll use will be getting a x1.5 boost from Sharpness.
    Ceaseless Edge will be one of the strongest attacks in the game. A 65bp move that not only gets STAB, the x1.5 boost from Sharpness AND most importantly a free layer of Spikes up is insane. It removes most if not all prediction as even if they send in a resist, you'll be getting up a spike on top of respectable chip damage, 90% of the time.
    The rest of its movepool is stellar. Aqua Cutter, Razor Shell, Sacred Sword, X-Scissor, and Air Slash all get the Sharpness boost. It gets both Aqua Jet and Sucker Punch for priority and even gets Knock Off, but you'll probably never run it to be honest, Ceaseless Edge is just that good and always hits as hard as Knock Off when they have an item. It also gets Swords Dance if you want to run a boosting set.
    I fully expect this to be running crazy on the ladder come release
    Samurott-Hisui @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Sharpness
    Tera Type: Flying
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly or Hasty Nature
    - Ceaseless Edge
    - Razor Shell / Aqua Cutter
    - Sacred Sword
    - X-Scissor / Air Slash
    Azumarill walls it, but even then you click Ceaseless Edge and get your free spike with a side of chip damage. Some Grass types like Breloom can be an issue, but wouldn't like to eat an Air Slash which even with no investment will hit hard enough because of Sharpness. Tera Flying for the resistances to Fighting, Bug and Grass and to potentially boost Air Slash's damage, but Ghost could also work, as could it's STABs. Hasty over Naive on the mixed set and the 4spdef are for the fact the current strongest attackers are special.
    Razor Shell over Aqua Cutter for slightly higher damage and the 50% chance for a defense drop, the 95% accuracy hurts it, but those defense drops will let it break through would be checks, especially later in the game after some spike and rocks damage. Sacred Sword is great coverage, and X-Scissor lets him hit Grass types with a hard, Sharpness boosted attack. 90% of the time, you'll probably just click Ceaseless Edge though.

  • @causticmoney5472
    @causticmoney5472 Рік тому +1

    Am i tripping or did we skip over Overquil

  • @lucillefrancois150
    @lucillefrancois150 Рік тому +1

    Idk how good Overqwil (I think that’s how it’s spelled) will be, but eviolite quilfish-h will certainly be interesting as an intimidate wall

  • @flamenami
    @flamenami Рік тому +3

    Qwilfish does have an evolution, Overqwil.

  • @Joshuaskehan-mk8cj
    @Joshuaskehan-mk8cj Рік тому

    I use goodra hiusui on Pokémon radical red showdown, max spA max hp with an assault vest. Flamethrower, ice beam, thunderbolt and heavy slam for tapu Lele and other fairies. This Mon is top tier. Eats special attacks for days and has enough special attack itself to dish out hard hitting moves and with the vast coverage it hits most mons for super effective

  • @JBBRDNKS
    @JBBRDNKS Рік тому +2

    H-decidueye will save us from the ghosts

  • @dragonhunter2001
    @dragonhunter2001 Рік тому +2

    Have a good day Jim 🥳

  • @asterlofts1565
    @asterlofts1565 Рік тому +4

    An entire team based on absorbing Water, Electric, Grass, Fire, Ground and other types is going to be fun this Generation... Imagine, for example, a Flying Type Parichisu that absorbs electricity... only an Ice type could kill it easily. Or Girafari, Farigiraf, or Bluemaril with Grass Absorption but make it a Rock-type or Water-type with Teracrystallization, to tempt a player using Grass-type Pokemon to attack it. XD

  • @coledavidson5630
    @coledavidson5630 Рік тому +1

    Just wanted to say I love your channel name

  • @supremeoverlordfallen5
    @supremeoverlordfallen5 Рік тому +2

    Acid armor+body press goodra looks nuts

  • @Nutleaf420
    @Nutleaf420 Рік тому +1

    Sheer force would remove the speed on esper wing but not the crit rate

  • @jesuspernia8031
    @jesuspernia8031 Рік тому +2

    This Arcanine is just made to throw out loads on damage and head out. It doesn’t care if it dies or not, it’s just made to throw powerful moves around.

    • @featdirty1127
      @featdirty1127 Рік тому +2

      Banded Head Smash/Flare Blitz? As a hyper offence player, I approve

    • @jesuspernia8031
      @jesuspernia8031 Рік тому

      @@featdirty1127
      If you ran a H-Arcanine with only those 2 moves and a band (and no other moves) you would most likely still do some heavy damage lol. I just throw in Wild Charge or CC as last coverage move and E. Speed because that’s always useful.

  • @YeetusDeletus
    @YeetusDeletus Рік тому

    An idea for lilligant. Since it gets hustle and acrobatics, the accuracy drop from hustle is nullified since acrobatics always hit, while it still remains the 1.5x attack boost. And since it's 4 times week to flying, and both of it's 2 types cant really do anything against flying types, the opponent would ofc use flying moves at it, but this would hopefully trigger a focus sash you give it, which means then you fire back with a ln itemless huste boosted (probably also victory dance boosted) acrobatics and do huge amounts of damage (hopefully💀)

  • @BananaReidy
    @BananaReidy Рік тому +3

    I saw sneasler learns drain punch in legends but isn't able to in s/v. Really a miss in my book.

    • @skakee10
      @skakee10 Рік тому

      Probably for the best. With dire claw it'll do just fine regardless

  • @JustAsianEnough
    @JustAsianEnough Рік тому +1

    Diggersby punching the air rn

  • @bagredecartola1289
    @bagredecartola1289 Рік тому +2

    Scarf decidueye seems like a fun set

  • @ssneakyandfriends1626
    @ssneakyandfriends1626 Рік тому +1

    goldengo gonna fall from OU.
    Deci- counters it.
    and Samurott and klevor ignore it.

  • @krittaponmepornbucha1281
    @krittaponmepornbucha1281 Рік тому +1

    Mab ceaseless edge and stone axe is nuts and both are boosted by sharpness likw god damn

  • @OmegaTyrant
    @OmegaTyrant Рік тому

    Looking forward to Sneasler avenging Weavile getting nerfed + power crept.

  • @enternam3854
    @enternam3854 Рік тому

    sheer force isn't affected by high crit moves but will count the speed boost as an affect.

  • @hugovanelsen8629
    @hugovanelsen8629 Рік тому +2

    Rock is in fact neutral to rock so hisuian arcanine still takes 25% from stealth rock

  • @NiraSader
    @NiraSader Рік тому +1

    I think that Avalugg pretty much only works in trick room with its signature move.

  • @callumsutton943
    @callumsutton943 Рік тому +2

    Avalug is not the first rock ice type as aurorus ( a gen 6 fossil ) was the worst

  • @DaMaster012
    @DaMaster012 Рік тому

    Hisuian Typhlosion has slightly different stats than Jhoto Typhlosion (which are the exact same as Charizard'#). It has five less points in HP and Speed, but ten more points in Special Attack.

  • @gypsysprite4824
    @gypsysprite4824 Рік тому +2

    Comments on each of the Hisui mons
    -Arcanine has a good thing going until you realize that Fire/Rock is scuffed as hell defensivly. lets eviscerated by Every EQ and Water Move in OU lol.
    -Avalugg: Typing singlehandedly kills it, next
    -Braviary-H: This thing would be so good if it didn't have such a scuffed stat distribution. slow attacker primarily running off it's HP for bulk lol. Just remember that -going SFLO renders Esper Wing's speed boost obsolete because sheer force
    -Decidueye: I don't understand the stat spread, but the signature move is secondary effect spam.
    -Electrode is electrode is electrode. next
    -Goodra: Bulky as hell Dragon/Steel. imagine how broken this would be with non-rest recovery.
    -Lilligant: PHYSICAL QUIVER DANCE. now imagine if it kept Drain Punch from PLA.
    -you forgot Overqwil LMAO. thing is just a hazard stacker in a world where Glimmora exists, so it's deadass UU at best.
    -Samurott. Ceaseless Edge is a warcrime move. 65 BP move boosted by sharpness and sets up spikes. a Scaf set can revenge kill AND spike stack
    -Typhlosion was the one with the screwed HA of the Hisuian Typhlosions.
    -Zoroark: such a hillarious type combo. the only mon that resists Fighting/Ghost and it's immune to both.
    -Ursaluna: Imagine if this thing got stealth rock. or instant recovery. such an absurd statline. Also, we have seen ground/normal, it's called diggersby
    -Kleavor: Stone Axe. which should be boosted by Sharpness.
    -Sneasler: this is basicaly What happens when you take weavile, make it not chien-pao's typing, and give it a warcrime move. fyi, slightly stronger and slightly slower than weavile. it evolves from a regional sneasler, hence not getting it's moves
    -Wyrderr: honestly idk
    -Enamorus. Incarnate is a genie with contrary, idk what therian does yet. why are the genie's new signatures 80 Accuracy for only 100 BP.
    -Basculegion: You may fear the Last Respects, but the beeeg fish's arrival will be what allowed to councils to actully ban the problem move rather than the houndstone.

    • @Makodough
      @Makodough Рік тому

      Springtide Storm is a spread move which makes the 80% accuracy even more noticeable because the likelihood of just completely whiffing on at least one opponent in doubles is pretty high

  • @nicolai3023
    @nicolai3023 Рік тому

    It is true that Basculegion will be busted, but once home releases it will lose access to last respects because they will ban it day one guaranteed. Meaning that Basculegion Male only physical ghost move will be Phantom Force, which is pretty bad. I can see more people using Basculegion Female. The Special Attack stat isnt great but it's usable with Adaptability and Hydro Pump/Shadow Ball.

  • @bim8185
    @bim8185 Рік тому

    A substitute+leech seed+protect+chloroblast electrode would be the most anoyying and difficult to deal with monster in the game, lemme explain why. Electrode is fast and has a low HP stat so leech seed would be amazing, electrode's game plan is to spam leech seed substitute and protect so his HP stat doesn't go down. And then electrode spams chloroblast and imideately gain his HP back with the leech seed

  • @jalilsekkat6437
    @jalilsekkat6437 Рік тому

    don't get me wrong but I believe shell armor with shelter and 150 Base spe def is amazing on goodra ( he can also run life dew for recovery) and become an unkillable wall

  • @jazzercise300
    @jazzercise300 Рік тому

    Unburden air balloon sneasler, assault vest h goodra, h zoroark as a fast utility mon (ghost/normal makes illusion a lot better too) and intimidate overquil w toxic have been my favorites. Guts ursaluna w facade is cool too but kinda a one trick pony. Sneasler has by far been my favorite to use.
    Swords dance plus unburden close combat or poison touch fake out/dire claw.
    Wyrdeer is the most dissapointing and avalugg did as well as expected which is not good at all lol
    Edit: also forgot that I see basculegion using last respect on uber rain teams. Or maybe it was nat dex? Cant remember. Either way thats probably the most broken one ive seen by far. And H lilligant was surprisingly great.

  • @Boamere
    @Boamere Рік тому

    Search by category at the top, you can set it to special moves only for example

  • @drxavier1870
    @drxavier1870 Рік тому +6

    I like thinking the Hisuian mons are so insane is because they technically were created in a PvE game so they could get away with that stuff and it carried over

  • @GunmarTheBlack
    @GunmarTheBlack Рік тому

    I wish we had Archeops in the new game cuz I'd just Skill Swap Sheer Force onto him while holding a Life Orb so I could just delete people, especially with like, Helping Hand or a Dragon Dance boosted Shed Tail

    • @devinnall2284
      @devinnall2284 Рік тому

      You could also use doodle to get rid of it

  • @peasantb100d
    @peasantb100d Рік тому

    I think Victory Dance Drain Punch Lilligant is gonna be massive, especially with a sash

  • @austinhensley6553
    @austinhensley6553 Рік тому +1

    ice rock was the type of one of the gen 6 fossil mons too

  • @turkeyblt5448
    @turkeyblt5448 Рік тому

    If I remember correctly, Basculegion gets Last Respects, if you haven't shown or knew yet

  • @persch6940
    @persch6940 Рік тому +4

    Imagine electrode with explosion and choplast and a team mate with revival blasting

  • @Just-J2
    @Just-J2 Рік тому +6

    Did you not play PLA, or are you just a showdown grinder

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  Рік тому +1

      I didn't play it

    • @Just-J2
      @Just-J2 Рік тому +5

      @@jimothycool any reason? The mainline Pokemon games are genuinely adored by most players. Not to mention the fact that not playing the main games and only playing an unofficial pokemon competitive game will give you a lack of knowledge on new things.

    • @RinSolos_
      @RinSolos_ Рік тому

      @@Just-J2 Showdown players eventually learn the competitive scene of the game the same day it comes out most of the times before, he doesnt need to play the mainline game, he will be fine lol

    • @Just-J2
      @Just-J2 Рік тому +5

      @@RinSolos_ well, he'll still be slower than the average. Not to mention the fact that he won't get to experience the actual competitive ingame if he plays showdown. Showdown is usually filled with kids who can't afford the mainline games, and the actual competitive scene ingame is much better

    • @RinSolos_
      @RinSolos_ Рік тому +1

      @@Just-J2 Not true showdown isn’t played by people who can’t afford the game, it’s played by people who just like to battle, people who don’t have the time to make a team in game, I have to disagree, players on showdown is wayyyy better than people who play the actual mainline game, don’t believe me try to climb the ladder, getting 1800 on showdown is way harder than hitting masterball tier in game lol

  • @muscularclassrepresentativ5663

    Shoulda done some calcs and made a follow up on common threats. Guess we're gonna see how meta shapes up lol

  • @insertnameh_re
    @insertnameh_re Рік тому

    Just wanted to point out that arcanine-hisui is still weak to stealth rocks because rock doesn't resist rock

  • @roychaosreaper4688
    @roychaosreaper4688 Рік тому +1

    Aerial Ace is also boosted by Sharpness. I hope you’re not surprised.

    • @cqstlupin6074
      @cqstlupin6074 Рік тому

      I mean, it's actually based on kojiro sasaki's famous move

    • @roychaosreaper4688
      @roychaosreaper4688 Рік тому

      @@cqstlupin6074 Turning Swallow Cut : The true name of Aerial Ace.

  • @wilbeesoot7434
    @wilbeesoot7434 Рік тому +2

    Im still watching so you probably have seen it but h-qwilfish got an evo of the same typing

  • @xuanathan
    @xuanathan Рік тому

    Samurott's gonna be great against Gholdengo, he's weak to dark, Samurott resists both his stabs, and on top of that Sam beats his spd stat by 2 whole points.
    Being an all around counter to the best mon in the tier is gonna at the very least give him a useful niche and at most give him a solid spot in the meta.

    • @patrickburton1401
      @patrickburton1401 Рік тому

      Gholdengo is gonna have A LOT of competition when home comes around in a few months.