BMW F 900 R vs Yamaha MT-09: naked middleweight sport bike shootout.
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I got my 2022 MT-09 SP about 6 months back. I'm in northern California. It is either raining, flooding, or freezing out so all I can do is watch other people's vids of them having fun on their bikes. (It's my first bike, and I'm 65 years old...)
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sad to here about your weather. I am 50 and just got back into bikes after like 20 years.. Had trail bikes and ended up on a poor handling 600 that tryed to kill me a few times. Rode my brothers Suzuki RF900 and realized there are way better and more fun/safer bikes around. Life and kids kicked in, sold bike. Just got (after a wait) 23 MT-09 SP. Love it. Been a Daylie for two months in our Australian summer and awesome. As a first bike at 65 it will be a challenge. Mode 3 might be the go for a bit, but that still has some punch. You may have more control and restraint but trust me..........she is a stupid teenager and makes you do silly things.....................but soooooooooooo FUN. A good tip is learn the rider aids and use the M (manual) mode and put all on 3(TC/SC/LIF) most intervention until you get the feel of things. Even with this setting in mode 3 the front will lift a reasonable amount in a smooth and controlled fashion if you give it a fist full in first and possibly second depending on your speed and eagerness. Don't get me wrong, One of the best things about the bike is its smooth and tame, with light handling around town, but stable and a beast when the road opens up. I would say this to all new owners......respect this beautiful work of engineering and you will have a long and rewording relationship with her. Be a dick, and you will wreck her as she will you!.................have fun........ride as safe as you can.........trust me, you will enjoy.
You, as i am, are a lucky man.
@@harley5881 ✌
Better late than never
At 65 you brought an MT09.??.whaaaaaat, you should have gone for the 1290 SDR..
I really liked my BMW F800GT, did everything well, but I never loved it, no character, now more than happy with my XSR900.
produced and sponsored by Yamaha ;)
I bought my BMW today SO please don't film crap!
Excellent comparison! I have the F900XR and it really has loosened up beyond 5000 miles and stopped using oil. The 900 twin is a tight engine from the factory but I bought the bike for it's handling and as 1 bike for everything including touring. I keep thinking about trading up but then I go for a ride and just love the thing... It's not the best at anything really but is good enough at everything once I got the seat re-padded.
It's booked in for a re-map at the end of the month so I will see how many horses BMW stashed away behind the electronic throttle.
Let us know 👍
Yes, post the remap (and pipe?) results please!
"and stopped using oil" ? that's what happens when you use Chinese made engines !
I think it's a very good quality, agressive looking bike, that can do it all. Nice choice!
Great video! I have the 2022 MT 09 SP and I’m very happy with it I love the bike! Watching your videos help me decide on the bike! I was looking at the KTM Duke 890 r and the triumph street triple RS. I’m glad I went with the Yamaha! Thanks!
Matt, your choice of MT09, it's almost like you know stuff about bikes ;-)
Which bike company has the finesse to create musical instruments ?
Only Yamaha..
Got to agree with you, the CP3 engine is epic no matter which model it’s fitted too 👍
I chose the f900r over the mt09 for a few reasons. 1 bmw has its own bank. So if you’re financing, then the bmw is significantly less expensive. And 2 the brakes. Brembo is top notch. 3 the bmw has an amazing screen! So many functions and settings to tinker with.
Great video!
The yamaha is sooo ugly, holy crap!
Order a new f900r for daily.
Such a great Bike!
What's that Astar jacket you've got there?
It looks fantastic
(Had my F900 for three years now and love it to bits)
I like your trailer.
I prefer the F 900 R. It looks better, and I am no racer. I like short shifting. My ideal bike: BMW RNineT Urban G/S. My SCR950 will do.
Excellent review.
I’m currently cross shopping these two bikes as an upgrade from the 390 Duke. I’m leaning towards the F900R for the tech, the sound and torque from that 270° inline twin, the looks and the comfort. I’m an intermediate rider and I wouldn’t be able to fully utilise the power of the MT09 other than in a straight line so absolute power isn’t really a selling point for me. I like the fact that the F900R has a meaty low-medium RPM power band. They say that is has 87Nm even at 4,500 RPM whereas I’ve seen other reviewers say that the MT09 is asleep below 6,000. You can even see that on the dash how the RPM is shown in white until you hit 6k and then it turns green. I think the F900R is a do-it-all bike that can be sporty, commute, tour, carry a passenger comfortably and even has built in pannier racks. If you want a toy motorcycle for ripping up the streets on the weekend then the MT09 sounds like the sportier ride but if you want a bike that you can do anything on then F900R sound like the right bike. Currently the F900R with all the bells and whistles is on sale in NZ for a few hundred less than the MT09 SP and I am leaning towards that. Only problem is that there’s a Yamaha dealer just down the road but the nearest BMW dealer is about 3 hours away. I’ve got time to think coz I’m still saving and the Yamaha dealer has a rental fleet so I’ll take the MT09 for a ride once I have saved the money. Watch this space.
Also I wonder what equipment is fitted to the BMW when they quote 211kg wet weight. It has a centre stand which probably weighs at least 7-10kg given that it’s made of steel. Also it has built in pannier racks and that ugly GPS mount on the triple clamp so if you took those things off maybe it would be close to 200kg which is not bad. It also has about 30kg higher payload limit so you can fit two people and some bags and the frame can handle it.
U talk too much, the 09 is better everywhere and you know it.
Comin from a rc390 and i will pick one too.
@@PetSounds38 I think you are suffering from confirmation bias. You’re completely ignoring all of the valid points I have made. If you want a toy, get the MT09. If you want a bike that can be multi-functional, get the F900R. That’s my take.
dude,be more polite.people can speak their thoughts.what are trying to prove?that you are badass rider?relax.@@PetSounds38
@@thodoris3790 je suis un mec à la cool, je suis pas un enculeur de maman.
@@PetSounds38 the 09 is not better everywhere lol, 09 is better only when it comes to engine and that's where it ends, when it comes to everything else the F 900 R is better than the MT09 by a mile, better technology, brakes, suspension, lights, more comfort, more features( like ABS cornering)
Great review. I was close to pulling the trigger on the F900R, glad I didn't. On a side note, the CB1000R arguably has the best quick-shifter I've tried thus far.
Decat n remap the f900?
Excellent Explanation good service nice vedio Thanks 🙏
hahaha! such a brilliant comparison, thx Matt............ I am still on a 021 1000 XR but hey... I have had the privilege to ride the F900 R a few times around George and its lovely twisties into the Outeniqua mountains, and it is of course a sweet motorcycle for "scratching"... but I have never ever tried out the MT09, wish I had... Your views and opinions are always of great interest for us here SA, thank you so much......... looks like with the way the curencies are going, it is going to be time to scale down soon ( again) to smaller cc motors and prices..... anything from 1000 cc and above today, seems to have a "horrible" price tag!... cheers bro! many thanks yet again for a great review . Take care and keep them coming, we love you!
another great content Matt... you never fail to hit the right spots of every bike you review and compare.. no frills. no drama.. just spot on review...
that F900R suspension system and electronics adjustments is a steal to its price tag, though in power department and rideability the MT09 is the class leader...
at the end of the day it comes to what you value the most, all the tech and the sidebags mounts on the F900r suits the best for me, so once I have the money I'll go for it
Hi Matt , the bike show is a great watch , you and Donovan are. amazing rider and really know your stuff , I’d buy a mt09 on your recommendation any day , 10k it’s a bargain 🏍🏍👍👍
The MT 09 is made in Japan and represents great value for the money compared to the overpriced F900 BMW that runs a Chinese made engine !
I have owned a BMW R1150GS for a about 12 years and it was about 10 years old when l bought it. I always thought it was a bit breathless at the bottom, and so l asked my mechanic about removing the Catalytic converter (which in Australia is not a legal requirement), yes he said just take it off and keep the standard can. Well if l didn't think l had new bike. I almost need launch control, whereas previously the clutch had to be slipped to get it off the mark or fear stalling it. It made me realise that this engine was probably designed for an exhaust system without the Cat. The character of the engine is totally different. It starts pulling straight away and just keeps producing torque everywhere in the rev range, indeed l cannot tell when the power comes in it is such a seemless experience. More power more torque, everywhere and it is like a hooligan. I wonder then what f900r might be like without its cat.
If the mt09 wasn't the ugliest and most plain looking bike ever made, it could be the greatest bike of all time.
Get an XSR900 then......
My experience with 900~1000cc street bikes: European brand bike - its either incredible hit or a complete miss (in terms of reliability). Any of Japanese Big 4 - You simply cannot go wrong...exactly why I got Harley Davidson Roadster...and wondering why I did what I did. (yes, it only has 5 gears...and its loud...and it really vibrates 😉)
Test rode an F900XR last year and was unimpressed, mostly with the bland engine. I test rode an MT-09 a few weeks ago and it is hands down a better bike to me, if not for the lively overall character then for the engine alone. I also agree that the MT-09 quickshifter is one of the best, at least in my experience. I have definite plans to own an MT-09 SP in the not too distant future. That is, once dealers in my area in the west coast USA stop gouging their customers with excessive markups and so-called "fees". Now that the pandemic shortage of latest generation MT-09 models seems to have abated, I am already seeing dealers advertising leftover new 2022 and even an odd 2021 model MT-09 claiming (finally) no additional markup or dealer fees. Better times are coming for us USA buyers on the US west coast I think. For what it's worth, I own a 2020 R1250R which I bought new with all the bells and whistles. It's a great all around sporty bike with lots of torque, great big twin sound (with a Remus slip on), good handling and, all that plus all day comfort. I plan to keep the R1250R for quite some time but I am really looking forward to adding an MT-09 SP to my garage. As for the F900XR, there was almost nothing about it that I found interesting. Perhaps unfairly, the fact that I already have an R1250R made the F900XR seem that much more lackluster.
Great video as always, but one thing struck me during the section where you list which bikes you would buy within various price brackets:
Mat, it’s okay to admit that you secretly lust after a R1250R 😉
Try first the 2023 MT10 SP - a much more reliable and effortless ride, also for a serious 3‘000 kms tour 😎🏁🏁
@@SirMountainpass At least when it comes to cars, I'm one of the first to bag on BMW for unreliability, but the boxer bikes aren't like that.
Never liked that BMW 900 engine, tested one once after 15 mins and returned to Williams Mcr I thought it wasn't for me.
Bought a 2020 F900R in 2022 (they were offloading new ones from the warehouse, overstocked I guess) as my first bike at 52 years old. Promptly dumped it and broke my shoulder but that's not the bike's fault. Now have a Svartpilen 401 to continue learning on but keeping the F900R because it's just a great bike.
But what if on the second hand market the bmw is 1500 euros cheaper than the basic mt09?
I have the F900R and I am happy with it. It has better touring capacity than the MT-09 which for "1 bike in the garage" is a big plus - better wind protection for the lower body, cruise control, center stand, multiple luggage options both standard and aftermarket and very good fuel economy. The rear ABS can be deactivated like on the KTM by the way - the Dynamic Plus mode has settings for throttle, traction control and ABS.
Another bike in the class is the Ducati Monster.
Luv my 09! Tempted by the 10 🤔 but would I really appreciate all that extra power
even if it had the same power, you will enjoy the better suspenion
The MT has got it where it counts. You can slot in a better shock, more aggressive pads and braided lines fairly easily. By comparison, fixing a lethargic engine and 20kg of overweight on the BMW is going to be a lot more challenging.
Excellent comparison and too funny. I’ve somewhat narrowed my own choices down to these two; however, there is something you hint at here that I think gets completely and utterly lost by most everyone reviewing/comparing the F900R, this especially to other bikes in the range. It is vastly more of an all around “R”oadster than any of these other bikes. It screams it, in fact, with cruise control, nav, SOS, etc. It’s almost a little wily brother to the R1250R and like the bigger sibling, it seems perfectly willing to put on a screen and head off on a voyage, this where even with the a screen, the other bikes in the class still seem a little like toys.
yeah it's more of a weekend traveler than the mt09, and since that's wwhat I do I'll go for it haha
As good as the CP3 engine is, in stock form, there's a LOT of factory restrictions hampering the real potential. Full exhaust and quality ECU flash is the only way to uncork the actual Yamaha goodness, instead of getting 65% of what you paid 100% for.
The parallel twin BMW on the other hand, I think the Tuono 660, GSX-8S, Honda Hornet 750, Duke 790 probably make as much or more power with less displacement, certainly weighing less.
I can definitely “hear” your decades of writing on this video.
It’s probably easy for you, and you might’ve even forgotten that you write very well. But it’s definitely obvious.
Thank you for your time
MT-09 all the way. I spent a lot of time riding and mulling over most bikes common and available in my part of the USA in the 750 to 900 class. I wanted a fun street ripper and something that plays well in the corners. And I wanted raw. I have a 2018 Goldwing Tour 6MT, so cruise control, heated this or fancy that wasn't a concern. And at 6'-3" @ 260 lbs so no matter how good the suspension is on any given bike if I get to pushing hard it will have to be upgraded regardless how good it is for a 140 to 180 lb rider. So why blow the money on it if it's just going on the shelf, in the trash or sold on. So I settled in on MT-09 Base Model and waited for the deal to come to me. It took the better part of a year then the deal presented it's self and I bought one. Only issue so far were crap head bearings yamaha used. It was wanting to shake it's head in anger. Wasn't the suspension, tires and it didn't need a damper. It just needed a proper set of head bearings that could be setup correctly and that would hold the setup. I've been on the street 49 years and the MT-09 is everything I wanted and then some. It's the most impressive standard motorcycle I have ever owned. It has brought back to me the basic essence of riding. It can be tame or wicked. It's all up to me and what I do with the controls on the bars.
BMW> THE WORLD
All of those clips where you brought your knee out , it wasnt needed, you actually should have had your knee tucked in. But if it makes you feel your going fast and doing the right thing, then good for you, enjoying the ride is what its all about. Next time your out and about on a naked, try keeping your knee tucked in.
I think the F800R ( 2017 ) is better - about 10 kg lighter and the tank is under the seat - low center of gravity - so you loose some hp but i suspect at cornering speeds its very little - as Chapman said ( add lightness ) and i will add to that ( add lightness lower down )
Great video...🎉! I also choose the MT09 SP instead the F900R. Why? Because of the HPs, the weight and the much smoother Triple CP3 engine. Of course I still dreamin' with the 765 Triumph Street Triple RS...! But I think I have so much fun to go with my MT09.
as owner of mt09.. looks at frist wasnt my favorite but how time pass get used to it now its great.. what is great about bike.. cp3 engine is masterpeice.. reability, power,electronic for that price is amazing.. but normal version not SP is way worse for sport riding.. seat is cheao made lose sidw to side.. front forks are terible.. but overall for that price bike is best buy in class
A shame Yamaha put one of their best engines ever made in such a lackluster chassis. I hope we get a Yamaha R9 with fairings, premium suspension, brakes and electronics.
The answer is simple, throw 4k euro at the mt09s suspension and brakes. Then you'll have the best bike ever!
The Triumph 765 Street Triple RS is worth saving a few more shackles to me.
Have not heard very pleasing feedback re. the BMW‘s reliability 😬
Well, you go much better on Yamaha, that for sure. Seams another BMW reklam.
Had the previous 2021 XSR900 SP and found the head shakes too much out of corners under power even with optimsed suspension setup. Yes it was fun but had to sell it due to poor handling (first bike that handled like crap). If the shop had an MT09 I would have bought it instead as they had better handling and seating position and a lot lower price. You did not mention the fuel economy as a comparison between the BMW and Yammie.
I'd take a Tuono 660 any day, much lighter bike. Plus, I can't get past the looks of the Yamaha...
890 duke or Street triple 765 rs for me
Preety poor brakes on yamaha
Matt did you ever upgrade the rear shock ? I’m looking to upgrade and was curious to see what you went for? Any other comments or suggestions from you guys ?
Praying for you while watching this... We want to see you back like this again!
Great review and definitely the right decision the MT09 is a brilliant bike
Looking at your latest videos, I am sure that you are/were traveling through Spain.
Hope you liked it and come back again
Truly excellent review, and video. Kudos.
For the love of all that is road riding, please stop rolling your foot off the edge of the peg in corners.
Can anyone out there explain to me what is preloaded and compression damping of a suspension ?
mt 09 is too much bike, Id buy the f900 for $2000 less though
You left out the Ducati monster 937!
How compares Tuono 660 amoung this bikes?
Well, I'll be damned, just about the review I was looking for. Would've been better if instead of the MT an XSR would've been used ;-) I'm about to sign for an F900R but something keeps me from doing it. I guess it's the engine thing. Owned 2 mt09's and 2 tracers, absolutely the best engine around and a perfect QS. Sadly that's about it. The dash is so bad, brakes are so so and the suspension really sucks. I'll be buying either the F900r or the new XSR900 (and hope this one does corner with confidence), or maybe I'll stick with my beloved 1000SX for another year
3 years ago, I was looking at the BMW but it was the dealer himself who advised not to go for it (avoiding a ton of realizability issues) - decided to go for the SP and never looked back. Done some fuss-free 33‘000 kms since. With a few mods to lose weight, upgrade braking power (track / road pads, steel-braided braking lines) and increase power / optimize fuelling it is a force up and down the mountain passes in the European Alps 😎🏁🏁
Personally I love the BMW F900r.
I simply believe it fits my lifestyle perfectly fine.
It’s adequately powered, very nimble, lots of decent tech(depends what you ask for) and a decent fuel consumption.
I test rode one from BMW motorrad Cape Town and I’m telling you now this bike is awesome.
It doesn’t have the wow factor the MT has without a doubt but then again I’m not a speed freak or anything 😂
Il have me a poor man’s BMW Anyday.
But I’m sure the yahama will be more reliable long term😢
The more features you have the more often you’ll be in the shop
Great to hear that you enjoined the roads of Guadalajara, Spain (near the village of Pareja)
It’s a tough one tbh , the F900 r is a great bike, good at everything it does get up n go but you have to give it the beans
Hey! Great video. Also, thanks for the great humor and unbiased critic through all your videos.
Thanks. You mentioned the rear shock a few months ago not working too well and i thought it would improve with use.!!
Great video like always 👍👍Yamaha it is .
What about de Monster?, did not considered that one?
Honda cb1000r
The F900's engine is its biggest weakness! The engine is made in China by Loncin...need I say more. The BMW is over-priced, under-powered, and heavy relative to its competitors.
so? the MT09 is made in Indonesia
What is an MT-09R? 6:05 mark in video. 😅
It's MT09 are........
Hi, thanks for being the best bike reviewers out there. Will you be comparing or giving an opinion on the new Hornet and how does it compare to the MT09? Im considering chopping in my Ducati scrambler 1100 for one.
The hornet is not competing with the mt-09 wouldn't that be 91hp vs 125hp ? And a 750 twin vs a 900 triple.
@@chrishart8548 Yeah I get that but both look fun. I have had a test ride on the MT09 and liked it but didn't think much of the brakes. Im not much into the HP more on how much fun you get for your cash. I dont actually drive very fast these days just like a bit of poke in reserve. My bike isnt quick but its not really comfy and the engine dont like low revs much. Just would love to hear how people find the two bikes at low speeds and comfort.
What camera do you have attached to the helmet?
Good job you didn’t buy the KTM890 it would have been Ready to Repair for sure by now.
Right! I have done 33‘000 kms with my SP so far and it has not missed a beat 😎🏁🏁
Mt09 wins
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Is that a stock damper on the MT09?
Never mind 😂 @17:59, that was the BMW
The MT is not a good looking bike but that engine ❤
Agreed
IMO the MT-09 is the most under rated bike of any class and the £1,000 extra for the Ohlins shocked SP is superb value but if you liked the earlier street triple RS just wait till you ride the 2023 RS, it's a massive improvement.
the Yamaha has the slightly better engine in terms of raw power, but the street triple RS engine has more character and the rest of the bike... well its just (a lot) more premium and worth the extra money in my opinion, plus I like the more sporty seating position.
Underrated?!!!?? It's the benchmark to which EVERY bike in it's class are compared too. How is that underrated?
@@Marc-zf3xv It's a great bike but every biker I know has gone for the Street triple or KTM 890R in the naked middleweight class so it might be the benchmark to you but as far as sales go it's outsold by two small manufacturers. at least here in the UK.
yeah in my country it's actually 2000 euro more for the SP which is absurd and completely not worth it, the base MT9 is 13k euro while the SP is 15 k euro
@@Marc-zf3xv yeah lol this is one of the most popular naked bikes in the world for the past 5-6 years, calling the MT9 underrated is a bit of a head scratcher but if you call the f 900 R underrated then I'd agree with that statement because the only thing the MT09 has better than the F 900 R is the engine and lighter weight, it basically loses in everything else, brakes, storage, comfort, suspension, wind protection, features, technology, the BMW is better in everything
Mt-9 🐐
Naked middleweights are a brilliant place in the biking world. I ended up buying a Street Triple, but loved every bike I test rode when I was choosing. All had a great balance of power, handling, comfort and price.
Chris, I’m just wondering which bikes you test rode and why did you go with the Street triple? I am actually in the process of trying to decide which middleweight naked to go with & did you buy the RS?
@@jimmansi9046 I bought my bike in 2020 so I’m a few years out of date, but the bikes I rode were;Street Triple 765 RS, Yamaha MT-09 (not the SP), KTM 790 Duke, Ducati Monster 821, Kawasaki Z900RS. And yes I bought the RS. Not sure I’m good enough to get the best from it, but the upgrades seemed good value and I liked the bling!
@@cp4512 that’s an awesome bike & I’m leaning towards the 2023 RS, it’s getting rave reviews by everyone, thanks for replying & stay safe!
@@jimmansi9046 I’ve still got the Street Triple and absolutely love it. The new 2023 bike looks a little better in almost every area so is probably going to be amazing. Good luck to you and enjoy your new bike whatever you choose 👍
Are you finished with South Africa? Loved your show from there. Don/Dom was awesome too
Great review Matt, MT09 wins for sure. I still have an old F800s from the race series in SA and I thought the F900r would be great. However, the old F800 has a better chassis, better wind protection for Cape SE, better power delivery, better seat, better in every department except the dash. The F900r seat is like a wooden board, the bike was disappointing hence I didn't go for it
f800r vibrations after 5000 rpm kills every enjoyment
@@ailijase8 mine doesn't have and vibration at all. Best check it out, something out of balance. Which oil you running?
@@mikegregory472 I sold it 😂😂
A bland, poor man's BWM with the chinese designed Loncin engine VS the best-selling Yamaha (since 2013) with the brilliant CP3 engine (in a fugly design now)...
I fully agree! Go for a flyscreen, do a tail tidy , have a full Akra and a DNA air filter fitted and, what makes the difference, have the ECU / fuelling updated / optimized by an experienced Pro.
It will pull from 2‘000 rpm till hitting the limiter like freight train😎🏁🏁
The bmw doesnt use a chinese engile lol... Its a b64 bmw engine
The motor is not designed in China. Its just build there.
Recently test rode the 900 bmw , it felt very bland and unexiting , ktm890 had a lot more soul and excitement
The BMW is really rather dull.
Awesome comparison and great video. Both are great bikes depending on your needs for sure.I noticed in the comments that some feel the MT09 is ugly? I’m not sure where that is coming from? I am curious about what you thought about the sound? Which is better? Best!
I just traded my BMW F900r into honda. I literally couldn't sell it for way under market value on auto trader. They just don't seem to be selling. The technology on them is amazing but they are lifeless and boring. Didn't even have mine a year before I got rid. Plus I started to hear horror stories on the forums and mine was already burning oil with only 1850 miles on the clock.
I would have trouble enjoying a BMW with Chinese powerplant.
The f900r was one of the most boring bikes I have ridden in recent years in the middleweight range. I agree it handles and corners ok. I have purchased 40 new motorcycles from 125 to 2100cc and ride 20 to 40,000klm per year so feel I have a reasonable idea of bikes.
I’ve tested both the F900R and R1250R and a lot more nakeds before deciding to go for the 1250.
The 900 Chinese engine is just a piece of junk. Nothing exciting nor has any power yet so heavy bike
MT 09 for tha win
BMW? No than you
I think the engine of the BMW is made in China ; should be cheaper.
F900 worst bike ever shit engine
Z900 will outhandle a mt09 easy, it’s quicker, has better suspension and has a much more premium finish.
No way - at least not my optimized SP with 184 kgs wet and 118 whp 😎🏁🏁
Z900 is such a underrated bike😅 put a full titanium exhaust system on it, and it will out scream every triple and twin out there😁
BMW, Chinese engine, Profit before People, enough said
the bmw 900 does not compete with the 09 even on the suspension … no adjustability on the front forks of the bmw? whats that , a 125?
I've ridden both of these bikes in their adventure touring trim for a fair few miles, the F900XR and the Tracer 9 GT, and both those models have the same engines in the same state of tune.
Honestly there is absolutely NO way that Yamaha 900 triple is anywhere near the claimed values, the F900XR is way punchier and pulls much harder up to about 10k at which point you use the far superior quickshifter (disagree with you on 6:04, yes it's smooth but you need near inhuman control to stack the gears like you can on a BMW or KTM) and you're already on the relative tsunami of power.
The soundtrack of the F900XR is also way more exciting, being a 270° twin, even with stock endcan that bark is glorious. The Tracer 9 in all aspects is way too flat, there is no emotion to the torque curve, it's just a flat and steady pull, it's sound is plain as soon as you open the taps all the way to the red line no change in tone or emotion.
The electronics are very good on both bikes, I'm partial to the BMW system over the Yamaha but those 2 bikes, the F900XR is more of everything for sure. It handles better, even if the tracer's ride is a little nicer (too soft for when you push on) the brakes are in another world to the there really is no comparison off the spec sheet as you say.
Now i'm sure the engine and braking characteristics are completely relevant to both the naked bikes too, and I just hate this bandwagon saying "yamaha MTs best bikes hurr durr" it's gotten real old since the MT-07, then the MT-09 then the MT-10, sure they wheelie, but all of them are frankly garbage in their respective categories especially when put up against even base model BMWs, and the price gap is not really there either...
I particularly disdain the MT-10 because it brings nothing good to the table apart from wheelies, and in that 1000cc hypernaked category, there's even better bikes for that. The MT-10 base model had to have been one of the WORST bikes I've ever ridden whilst still being a high end bike. Throttle was jerky in anything apart from rider mode 2, suspension so bad even after setting up the front felt like washing out every turn, brakes might as well have been a suggestion, clunky shifter, horrible grabby clutch, lets not even talk about the attrocious fuel economy and range, and caveat here, sure, you don't need hundreds of miles of range from a naked fun bike, but 80 miles to fuel light at 25mpg is NOT okay, how come KTM get over 45 from their significantly bigger and more powerful 1290?? Once you're done away with the horrific handling, brakes, and so on, you're left with a shredded rear tyre at 3000 miles (my XR that's faster and with more power and more weight could easily do 5k on the same sets). Just a horrible bike glorified by media because it can lift the front end if you whack the throttle...
Anyway sorry for the tangent, but I feel like this is 100% applicable to the vast majority of yamaha's lineup, whether we're talking MTs, R7,R1s Tenere 700s, whatever, they all have 1 aspect they are good in and are otherwise crap value.
Disagree, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
@@rogerkay8603 I mean the handling, performance etc are factual. I like the MT-10 it was fun, but god damn it's a bad bike. Tracer 9 GT, amazing bike, it's truly a top contender, but it's missing the mark because it's so bland and complains when pushed. both the F900XR and the S1000XR I owned were superior for wanting to go fast. The tracer was amazing for everyday use though, comfy to commute on, warm heated grips, good suspension for bumps, and a predictable power delivery with enough get up and go for easy overtakes, but as a passion choice? nah.
Ooh someone likes yamahas
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@@andymorgan7676 I mean don't get me wrong , they are brilliant bikes, and with the exception of the MT09, which still sounds nice if bland, the MT07 and MT10 sound tracks are biblical. But greatest ever bikes? No way. If you buy them for wheelies and riding up and down some town roads, maybe occasional light twisties, brilliant, sure thing, they're extremely good, a Tuono V4 would be wasted on something like that. But if you compare actual capabilities, sadly they're just not there. I mean it in the nicest way possible, but MTs are for kids having fun, people that want serious business shall look elsewhere.
BUT, IT IS SO UGLY !!!!!
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