Great video, I spoke to the Zaptec team at fully charged, and one of my queries was head fuse protection at an apartment block(Easee EV equaliser not launching till possibly q4 2022). They said there is a device available to CT clamp around incomer to prevent the chargers blowing the landlord headfuses, don’t suppose you guys know the details of this kit? Craig
This is a beautiful bit of kit, and highly innovative too. They may be a little late to the UK market, but it has literally everything you could ever want in an EV ChargePoint. Thanks for sharing guys.
Great video as always chaps, nice looking charger looks well built and some thought has clearly gone into the design. It would be a clear winner if they had installed O-Pen without have to add an additional device. Keep up the great work!! Kieran - Fuzed
These charge points would only charge up to 22kW per circuit, regardless of whether you have 1 or 20 cars charging at the same time. It makes the install cheaper, but isn't practical in the real world
In the video you can prioritise vehicles that need a quick charge so would charge first and then down the chain. Plus as a car nears full charge it drops off slowly giving more power to the rest. Though I admit 100 cars if all set to charge someone will loose out.
So in reality the max you can have is 10 cars per phase to 30 cars total as the cars won’t take less than 6A. Yes it can balance the load but working on single phase inverters on the cars and then all being there around the same time start of day for work or evening for apartments it’s 30 cars. Yea other cars can be queued but charging at 6A is trickle charging at best.
Unfortunate that the Russians have decided on the letter Z recently but what a great bit of kit.Love the idea of running one large cable around and coming off with a single smaller cable to each point 👍
Can the charging unit talk to the car get its VIN number and the server charge the driver or drivers or company owner to the registration of the vehicle ?
There is no data exchange on all but Tesla. The power that the car can take is done by a pulse similar to remote control planes and toy cars the system is sort of pwm not data.
@@Electronics-Rocks PS: ...for AC charging. One of those pwm patterns tells the car to speak Powerline over the signalling lines to talk to a DC charger. (Or, if it's a Tesla, to speak CAN-Bus to the supercharger.) As far as I'm aware, this is a DC-only mode, so it can not be used to provide authentication for AC charging. Unless the charger authenticates and then simulates unplugging the cable to start a fresh AC handshake. That probably would work with most cars unless they are really picky about it (or don't have DC-charging capabilities).
This is a very interesting chargepoint, one question i forgot to ask them at Fully charged live is Solar integration does it have it or is it coming in the future? Being a solar installer i would like to see potential options of being able to reduce customers energy bills aswell as increase them through EV chargepoints. Great video guys
As you know I’m not a fan of EV chargers or e-car’s ,and I am unlikely to ever install them, but I have to say I like this clever bit of kit , why does it take someone like Norway to put there grey sells to work and think about residential applications like blocks of flats, in the uk we are so far behind which this stuff , yet we insist on pushing forward with AFDDs And SPDs why ? . Fantastic video guy’s as always 👍👍👍❤️
@@efixx my point exactly . Like I said it is a clever even nice bit of kit . Even though I have know interest in EV or EV chargers . But yes it’s a nice well thought out design. 👍
With a 32 apartment block, everyone comes home at around 6pm and sets their cars to charge overnight on a cheap tariff. How long to charge a Nissan Leaf+ from 20% to 80%?
Not really that difficult - exterior car park we’d go with some thing like this www.swaonline.co.uk/cable-management-jointing/cellpack-resin-cable-joint-kits/t-resin-joint-kit then run 6mm to each charger.
Apologies, it’s been a long time since college & been out of the game a while….are you saying it’s acceptable to connect different sized cabling together now without any fusing etc?
Hi Lad's, I'm curious as to why you can only have 11Kwh charging on 3 phase when I have a 10.8 Kwh shower which is near as makes no difference to 11Kw on single phase could explain please.
There will come a number of fast chargers that reach the maximum capacity of the local grid. I live on an estate which is basically a microgrid. If 10% of the properties try fast charging cars at maximum rates at the same time, it will cause issues from minor to failure. This is the biggest issue for EVs, energy density of fossil fuel is enormous. A UK filling station dispenses the same amount of energy as a quarter of a nuclear power station. To replace all the publicly accessible filling stations (farms, hauliers, train companies and construction have their own) with electrical energy 24/7, most private drivers will charge at night so no solar, the UK will need to 2000 nuclear power stations with the current average energy output before forcing vehicles to become battery. This was peer reviewed and the models were found to be accurate. It was part of my degree project, the further research wasn't completed as my funding wasn't provided.
Think the UK is still in Europe geographically speaking. Agree we see lots of power management but these often require quite a bit of external kit and complex back office solutions. If you can suggest some models worth a look at with better implementation than this one - please suggest and we will explore them.
The power line data in these chargers uses 10Mbps GreenPHY PLC - the same as the one used in Plug & Charge standard (ISO 15118). It's 250mW maximum, so negligible compared to the harmonics produced by the vehicle charger. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug#EMI_concerns
One problem that's not solved is intelligibility for a range of audiences. This may be deliberate, I have no way of knowing. Ok, where I'm at, I'm a private citizen who still runs internal combustion vehicles (I have 4 for very different uses) but I'm interested in EVs as I will eventually be running them. I got nothing substantial from this video. I get the feeling that these devices use a single feed wire as a busbar & use a variant of Powerline to communicate with a white box somewhere which possibly controls this busbar or possibly the individual units. The units may or may not also use wifi or 4G to communicate. There is some hookup somewhere for billing & it uses open standards. I noticed no mention of hacking & security despite these being absolutely vital in our current cyber-war. But that's it, just feelings, nothing substantial. Judging from the comments people who install charging points for a living know exactly what you're talking about but private individuals with a small fleet or carpark owners are more likely to be mystified than edified. I'm very unlikely to come to you when it's time to install my charging points.
We don’t install charge points, we are a channel aimed at electricians, who in general will be familiar with the content. We do have a playlist which is aimed more at the consumer - ua-cam.com/video/wnmW6W9j80I/v-deo.html
Sorry but am I missing something here? How on earth does anyone expect to be able to charge 35 cars @ 22kW from a 63A - 3phase supply, and then multiply this figure all the way down the street for every block being fed from the main high voltage step down station? Is every apartment going to have a direct connection to Selby? Instead of referring to Internal Combustion and EV's wht not call these electric cars exactly what they are - RCE - Remote Combustion Engines, all they have done is moved the burning of fuel out of the car and stuck it into a generator a few miles away - doesn't really make me feel very "GREEN"
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What a quality item. Just about to quote a commercial car park at company car park . This will make my life easier
A big 'Z' on the front cover probably isn't the best symbol to put on equipment these days.
Yup, and we do agree! The zapp icon has been with us for ages (since 2012 actually), but we’re making adjustments to it as we speak.🙏
These are so great! The Dynamic Phase rotation solves my issues when you have mixed 3 phase and 1 phase cars…
Thank you. Found the information valuable. Been installing the ICS units so far. These seem to be next level.
If this does load balancing between multiple units, could it also be used on a solarPV installation as an alternative to Zappi/hypervolt?
Great video, I spoke to the Zaptec team at fully charged, and one of my queries was head fuse protection at an apartment block(Easee EV equaliser not launching till possibly q4 2022). They said there is a device available to CT clamp around incomer to prevent the chargers blowing the landlord headfuses, don’t suppose you guys know the details of this kit? Craig
Looks really well built, the design into it is fantastic
Thought you were talking about yourself for a moment Torchy 😂
Nah, ive got face that suits radio 😂
This is a beautiful bit of kit, and highly innovative too. They may be a little late to the UK market, but it has literally everything you could ever want in an EV ChargePoint. Thanks for sharing guys.
Great video as always chaps, nice looking charger looks well built and some thought has clearly gone into the design. It would be a clear winner if they had installed O-Pen without have to add an additional device.
Keep up the great work!!
Kieran - Fuzed
Can this device monitor power incoming on the tails to make sure maximum demand is not over the incoming limit like the Zappi ha??
These charge points would only charge up to 22kW per circuit, regardless of whether you have 1 or 20 cars charging at the same time. It makes the install cheaper, but isn't practical in the real world
One hundred employees share a 63A supply? So each average 0.6A? Don't think any of them are getting home again.
Why would all of them need a charge at the same time?
Look at it another way how many kWH are they sharing across an 8 hr day and what is the average commute?
In the video you can prioritise vehicles that need a quick charge so would charge first and then down the chain. Plus as a car nears full charge it drops off slowly giving more power to the rest.
Though I admit 100 cars if all set to charge someone will loose out.
@@Electronics-Rocks How does it work out who has priority? How does it know how far you need to travel after work?
So in reality the max you can have is 10 cars per phase to 30 cars total as the cars won’t take less than 6A. Yes it can balance the load but working on single phase inverters on the cars and then all being there around the same time start of day for work or evening for apartments it’s 30 cars. Yea other cars can be queued but charging at 6A is trickle charging at best.
Could you install the “Zaptec PRO” model on a house ? Or is it only for commercial installs.
IP54? So what happens to it in the rain or when the jet washer is around?
Unfortunate that the Russians have decided on the letter Z recently but what a great bit of kit.Love the idea of running one large cable around and coming off with a single smaller cable to each point 👍
Can the charging unit talk to the car get its VIN number and the server charge the driver or drivers or company owner to the registration of the vehicle ?
There is no data exchange on all but Tesla. The power that the car can take is done by a pulse similar to remote control planes and toy cars the system is sort of pwm not data.
@@Electronics-Rocks so each charger must have a PIN number or a card and reader from the server
@@Electronics-Rocks PS: ...for AC charging. One of those pwm patterns tells the car to speak Powerline over the signalling lines to talk to a DC charger. (Or, if it's a Tesla, to speak CAN-Bus to the supercharger.)
As far as I'm aware, this is a DC-only mode, so it can not be used to provide authentication for AC charging. Unless the charger authenticates and then simulates unplugging the cable to start a fresh AC handshake. That probably would work with most cars unless they are really picky about it (or don't have DC-charging capabilities).
These chargers support ISO15118 (Plug & Charge), so you can get secure authentication from the car, provided the car supports it.
@@paulpschierer-barnfather6453 And it's still not clear to me whether Tesla actually support the ISO standard or is using something proprietary
This is a very interesting chargepoint, one question i forgot to ask them at Fully charged live is Solar integration does it have it or is it coming in the future? Being a solar installer i would like to see potential options of being able to reduce customers energy bills aswell as increase them through EV chargepoints. Great video guys
Not sure on this version. We will explore this topic.
As you know I’m not a fan of EV chargers or e-car’s ,and I am unlikely to ever install them, but I have to say I like this clever bit of kit , why does it take someone like Norway to put there grey sells to work and think about residential applications like blocks of flats, in the uk we are so far behind which this stuff , yet we insist on pushing forward with AFDDs And SPDs why ? .
Fantastic video guy’s as always 👍👍👍❤️
Necessity drives demand - Norway is way ahead in terms of EV driving adoption.
@@efixx my point exactly .
Like I said it is a clever even nice bit of kit . Even though I have know interest in EV or EV chargers . But yes it’s a nice well thought out design. 👍
75 % of the cars in Norway are electric so they’re the leaders in EV charging infrastucture
I'm sure if you bother to look, you will find similar products from Netherlands, Germany and even UK
With a 32 apartment block, everyone comes home at around 6pm and sets their cars to charge overnight on a cheap tariff. How long to charge a Nissan Leaf+ from 20% to 80%?
Now please make video as You install 5 of them in daisy chain using 16mm 5 core SWA cable on 63 amp supply;)
Not really that difficult - exterior car park we’d go with some thing like this
www.swaonline.co.uk/cable-management-jointing/cellpack-resin-cable-joint-kits/t-resin-joint-kit then run 6mm to each charger.
@@efixx What about that flat cable you demonstrated with Tee-off connections?
Apologies, it’s been a long time since college & been out of the game a while….are you saying it’s acceptable to connect different sized cabling together now without any fusing etc?
Microcare in Port Elizabeth have done this for chargers connected to their inverters
Hi Lad's,
I'm curious as to why you can only have 11Kwh charging on 3 phase when I have a 10.8 Kwh shower which is near as makes no difference to 11Kw on single phase could explain
please.
It’s the charger inside the car that sets the charge rate and 7kW is the standard adopted for single phase by the automotive industry.
I thought that the podpoint array system solved this problem years ago?
It's the same idea as the easee but I think that wins on ease of commissioning
Unfortunate company logo, be wary of anti-tank missiles!
Better comment still god help when NCP get their chargers installed will they be as bad as their ticket machines
There will come a number of fast chargers that reach the maximum capacity of the local grid. I live on an estate which is basically a microgrid. If 10% of the properties try fast charging cars at maximum rates at the same time, it will cause issues from minor to failure.
This is the biggest issue for EVs, energy density of fossil fuel is enormous. A UK filling station dispenses the same amount of energy as a quarter of a nuclear power station. To replace all the publicly accessible filling stations (farms, hauliers, train companies and construction have their own) with electrical energy 24/7, most private drivers will charge at night so no solar, the UK will need to 2000 nuclear power stations with the current average energy output before forcing vehicles to become battery. This was peer reviewed and the models were found to be accurate. It was part of my degree project, the further research wasn't completed as my funding wasn't provided.
Good points, but also remember they 2/3 of the energy from fossil fuelled vehicles never makes it to the road.
you guys are way too excited by a charger with power management. these are the norm in Europe
Think the UK is still in Europe geographically speaking. Agree we see lots of power management but these often require quite a bit of external kit and complex back office solutions. If you can suggest some models worth a look at with better implementation than this one - please suggest and we will explore them.
Euwww powerline data., all those nasty harmonics and mess superimposed over the mains......
With the tiny amount of data transferred in this use case, I don't see any issue. Those chargers are not streaming Netflix in 4k...
The power line data in these chargers uses 10Mbps GreenPHY PLC - the same as the one used in Plug & Charge standard (ISO 15118). It's 250mW maximum, so negligible compared to the harmonics produced by the vehicle charger. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug#EMI_concerns
One problem that's not solved is intelligibility for a range of audiences. This may be deliberate, I have no way of knowing.
Ok, where I'm at, I'm a private citizen who still runs internal combustion vehicles (I have 4 for very different uses) but I'm interested in EVs as I will eventually be running them.
I got nothing substantial from this video.
I get the feeling that these devices use a single feed wire as a busbar & use a variant of Powerline to communicate with a white box somewhere which possibly controls this busbar or possibly the individual units. The units may or may not also use wifi or 4G to communicate. There is some hookup somewhere for billing & it uses open standards. I noticed no mention of hacking & security despite these being absolutely vital in our current cyber-war.
But that's it, just feelings, nothing substantial.
Judging from the comments people who install charging points for a living know exactly what you're talking about but private individuals with a small fleet or carpark owners are more likely to be mystified than edified.
I'm very unlikely to come to you when it's time to install my charging points.
We don’t install charge points, we are a channel aimed at electricians, who in general will be familiar with the content. We do have a playlist which is aimed more at the consumer - ua-cam.com/video/wnmW6W9j80I/v-deo.html
@@efixx thanks for that, I'll have a look in a bit.
Sorry but am I missing something here? How on earth does anyone expect to be able to charge 35 cars @ 22kW from a 63A - 3phase supply, and then multiply this figure all the way down the street for every block being fed from the main high voltage step down station? Is every apartment going to have a direct connection to Selby?
Instead of referring to Internal Combustion and EV's wht not call these electric cars exactly what they are - RCE - Remote Combustion Engines, all they have done is moved the burning of fuel out of the car and stuck it into a generator a few miles away - doesn't really make me feel very "GREEN"
Great one here eFixx this is a massive headache at the minute for many installers