The MASSACRE by an Incel at Umpqua College
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- The most deadly attack in modern Oregon history : An attack committed by a guy named Chistopher Harper-Mercer. However, unlike the other incel videos recently, being an incel is really only one element to this guy. He was a fan of several other concerning movements and belief systems. So, who was he, what kinds of things was he a part of, what kind of attack was this, and why did he do it?
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Do you understand what kind of vibe you put out if you're denied from a firearms training course? Sheesh.
Probably a pretty good one.
As a former weapons instructor it's not too hard reading these guys. They're like kids on Christmas who have ADHD and no boundaries.
No doubt, you've got to be really outwardly creepy lol.
@@JamesFromTexas As a former adhd kid sir, I take offense. I was a hoot on Christmas.
@@compositestechbb9087 as a current adhd kid I’m also offended lmao,
Chris Mintz is a hero. Not only did he help get those around him to safety, he warned another building to evactuate, then went BACK in to help the wounded. I wish nothing but the best for him and his family. Incredible.
what a Chad ❤
He did all that?! I had no idea! 😂
But you're right, definitely a hero!
I'm just going to be the shallow one here and note that Chris Mintz is freakin HOT.
@@pablodelsegundo9502 No, you're right. That's definitely icing on an already delicious cake. =D
Chris Mintz is a legend. I hope nothing but the best for him and all who survived the attack.
Joining the Army and getting kicked out of basic training seems to be a common occurrence with these guys.
At this point we need to put people who do that on a list
@@vulpes7079 I had a couple of guys in my basic training class get kicked out. Both of them were weird as hell. The rest of us had to literally manhandle them into the showers because they refused to ever shower and the smell was unbearable
2. Incels
3. Single moms
Not a single one lived with their father
@@GruntProof
4. Aspergers
It's always funny when creators thank their online supporters.
"I'd like to give a warm thanks to RabidChoad, SpeckledTaintLicker, and JizzyBallz."
All with a straight face too.
Honestly it would be perfectly fine for him to leave them out, in the end his videos could get flagged for saying slurs in the patreon names and that's not fair. We all know youtube admins wouldn't be understanding, they'd let the ban hammer swing with the power of Allah.
If you are a patreon and want your name to be in the video so badly don't be an ass and use slurs. If you only subscribe to sneak slurs in you're an asshole tbh, wether you donated money or not. You know what you're doing, stop it.
lol
@@ToBeIsWasWere calm down
😂😂😂
Look, let's be real the amount of love Elliot Rodger gets online from the incels is scary. The fact it has gotten to the point that every time you do a mass shooting video that we know his name is going to come up is nuts.
I think there is a powerful attraction to this movement. I am married with kids and am/would be a target of incels...Thus, I am going to share my honest thoughts about these shooters and the incels at-large.
I think there are MANY males in adolescence who feel and think similar complaints about sex, relationships, role of women in this or that, etc...Why? It is a time when one is evaluating various manners of independent thought and electing their own values.
Having said many related to incel resentments/beliefs at different times, for varying lengths of time, they evolve out of this. However, some do not and given how ER is a household name in the true crime community, king of the incel one= it is shocking if he is not mentioned.
He set out to do something and sadly succeeded beyond his evil fantasy world made painfully real.
Each one of these is, in a way, the return of ER by proxy to take more lives NOT his to take.
Seriously though! They almost always come back full circle to that creep now. It’s disgusting.
This is my theory. These guys tend to actually lack a strong and present father figure. Then they are often bullied. The love and adoration of other men is actually what they want and are lacking. They are desperate to belong to a supportive male community, and there it is. The amount of incels from single mothers is very disproportionate. ER is their original king.
The fact that the Red Pill/MGTOW movement is growing in popularity shows the level of dysfunction in people. You don't need a movement that is anti-womam to make a choice not to date them. Identifying as an incel is admitting you have given up on the thing you allegedly want which is a great way to never get it. So... if you don't want to be in a relationship, that's an acceptable choice. Blaming 51% of the population for your inability to get laid instead of yourself is assuming that 4 billion people are horrible and claiming victimhood.
I try never to say his name, but he's the David Koresh of the neckbeards.
I kind of agree with the sheriff not saying the name of the attacker, cause that just gives him what he wanted, it gives him attention instead of giving the victims attention, and how proud of himself the news anchor looked being able to say the name, it's annoying.
Cause at the end of the day not saying it is kind of pointless, especially when his views don’t even align with keeping situations like this from happening over and over again
@BandofHorses 1985 It doesn't. That's the whole point of not saying the name. If the name of other individuals was kept secret and instead the focus was on victims, there might be different things that happened. And I mean Elliot Rogers, if his name was never mentioned and if his association with the incel community was never mentioned, there's a chance that some violence could have been avoided. Avoiding saying the name strips all information away, and leaves it "Some bad guy did [thing]." News splashing the name everywhere makes it almost like he's gained a sort of fame, which drives me up the wall.
Agreed, our culture has become so focused on killers, that I often times find the victims to be an after thought in the re-telling of these stories. It’s unfortunate, especially when they certainly do not deserve any recognition, as that is exactly what they want. Although I am interested in the psychology of killers, I would still much rather hear about the lives and accomplishments of the victims… they are the ones that actually matter.
@@stoney-51999 I call bull on that, you are here for the same reason as everyone else, we as humans are fascinated by people who do these things. Just the same with the comments about naming them, while watching a vid on UA-cam naming him and making money from doing so. Why not just be honest abd admit we all are curious about these people.
@@kinglicks5646 You can call bull all you want, lol. Never once did I say I wasn't interested in it, or by the people who commit these crimes- all I said is that we need to focus more on the victims of these horrific situations... and if you can't agree with that, then I'd have to say you're a bit heartless; and if you can't acknowledge and respect the victims (and their families) in these true crime stories, you truly shouldn't be indulging in true crime at all in the first place.
Just so you know, a Black parent calling an adult child "Baby" is not strange at all (especially from mother to son or father to daughter). My Dad called me "Baby" or my childhood nickname until the day he died.
I also hear it from white parents in the south. Not unusual at all.
My condolences
Yea, but I wonder if it was strange for those observing due to the way he was acting at that moment. Probably acting like a whining manchild. Hearing someone call their obviously grown child, 'baby' at a time like that, instead of a quick slap on the back of the head, and telling them to grow up,.....probably would raise a few eyebrows, and mixed questions. But yes, for sure, there's nothing at all wrong with a parent calling their adult child, 'baby'. I get called it on a daily.
Quick question, does anyone know, if Elliot Roger's had asperger's? Just curious?
True
It’s only weird if it’s in a flirty or sexual manner cause that’s pretty gross. But to all the good parents out their once they give birth to someone, the baby is forever their baby.
The news report where they showed Anthony Fantano's picture instead of the actual shooter was one of the funniest things I've ever seen
Hi everyone, Anthony Fantano here...
I saw that live, sitting in lounge room with my parents, with the news on. They didn't know who he was, I just sat there in shock lol. I live in Australia so it was on SBS news (local news) here.
If you're denied from a firearms training course for seeming to eager, you should be put on some sort of a warning list
Too eager? Maybe he had never done that training.
Or was intending to do some damage. 😅
I’m generally a pro-second amendment guy but I’ve wondered if we should adopt a system like in Norway where to get a license to own a gun you have to join a shooting range first and before granting the license the police will interview the other shooting range guys to see what they think of you. They know that in a European country frequent mass shootings would mean more restrictions on their hobby and they take self policing very seriously
@@eriknervik9003 Latvian here. I have about 4 different guns for hunting, I had to go to a shooting range, take a safety and firearm maintenance test. I got a gun and a hunting license, and everyone in my hunting group are very safety responsible and understand the risks. You can get a carrying license for guns, daily use, but you have to prove you are very responsible and mentally stable.
I am a fan of this. As there are little to no irresponsible gun users, and everyone knows and follows safety.
ONE thing bothers me, if you have multiple guns you have to store them in a safe when not in use(ok fine, no big deal), but once a year a police officer has to inspect the safe, and they must enter your home to do that, I dont like the government literally coming inti my house.
@@assasin19991999
I have a license to carry a concealed firearm. In the US this is regulated by different states, I have license issued by Washington state. To get that all I had to do was pass a fingerprint background check and pay a fee.
You don’t have to get a license to buy a gun, but when you buy one you have to go to the gun shop, fill out a form, show your photo ID card, and then pass a background check. The check is the gun store salesman calls a phone number to the FBI and a case agent on the phone searches the name to see if it matches a record for criminal convictions, if he finds none he tells the salesman he can sell the gun over the phone.
The biggest problem in America, is that the country is large and we don’t have a dedicated national police force or court system. Courts and police are normally the responsibility of states and cities, and whether or not they share records is voluntary, and many places have loads of paper records, different computer systems, etc.
So it’s very common even for people who shouldn’t be allowed to buy guns to be able to buy a gun because of poor record keeping. Someone with a conviction goes to a gun shop, the gun shop calls the FBI and the case agent doesn’t even have the record and so they say the person is clean
In the US the police can’t enter your house without your permission or a warrant, or a really really good reason (for example, if you haven’t seen your elderly neighbor in several days and fear he’s hurt or dead you can call the police and the police can enter to make sure he’s ok but this is a limited exception) if the police came to my door to inspect my guns I can tell them I don’t want them too and unless they have a valid order by a judge they can’t come in
Jesus Christ what being lonely does to some people these 'incels' it's fucking crazy. After listening to this and then Eliot Rodgers case. I'm just so baffled but afraid. Knowing there's people who think this way and can possess harm to others just because they're unhappy.
I mean I've been lonely for a while but I have never entertained the thought of hurting innocent random people I think it's alot more than just that definitely mental illness mixed with loneliness
@@Spaceghost5446 Not taking his meds for a diagnosed mental illness probably didn't help either. Also, total abandonment by his father would have contributed also....so many things :(
@@Spaceghost5446 It isnt just mental illness but inceldom shows perfectly what happens when you let those negatives moods and ideas fester and pass to other people until you get someone crazy enough or convince them enough to go do those ideas.
The internet allowed these sorts of people to meet each more easily and reinforce their own fucked up ideals.
@@johnsmith-lm6il "the same way internet allowed below average women to meet above average men leaving below average men to rot in psychotic loneliness for decades"
Look, no one owes you a woman or their time. If you're lonely because you want a supermodel, that's a you problem.
Chris Mintz truly went above and beyond that day. A true hero who deserves a medal.
Can we pause for a minute to acknowledge that the ex soldier who was injured saving people had to get a go fund me to pay his bills. Way to go America.
Your point?
@@kuroneko334Seriously the person saved lives and can't afford his medical bills. I guess that's not a problem or anything forget I said anything.
@@MERCS2046 lol it's not. And all you're doing is leaving a comment and not doing anything to try and change it just like everyone else who says stuff like that.
@mariana36770 well yeah, the European health care system is free, but when shit hits the fan Europeans look for help in the USA since the service quality is 5x times higher there.
I really hate how in America, we'll publicize and debate on every possible reason for something like this EXCEPT for mental health.
That's what I say
It's why we're the most mentally unhinged country. We don't give af about mental health, and even though most will say mental health is important, those same people will be quick to insult and attack people when their mental health gets ugly. We're doing it to ourselves at this point. No one cares about these people until they snap and become truly evil, then their name is everywhere. We're literally railroading these people into committing horrific acts, and people act like it's not happening.
That's because mental health is such a blanket term, more of a cheap cop-out than suggesting any real, tangible changes. What I mean is, to improve mental health America would need to catch up to the rest of the modern world and have universal healthcare. Not seeing a loved one get sick and then be unable to pay for it would be great for mental health, right? Not needing to worry in the first place would be great for mental health. Improving education, actually taxing the rich so that your middle class doesn't get swallowed up by lack of financial opportunity, not letting monsanto poison the food supply so that people didn't get sick, I mean the list goes on and on.
We're here because this guy shot and killed 9 people, not because he was lonely and disturbed mentally. There are lonely, depressed, anxious, and angry people in every country but in the good ones they don't have access to a gun. Especially with people just sitting at home more, playing video games like dorks, avoiding exercise and healthy food and then whining about their mental health like it's some surprise. This kid needed to get off the internet, go for a jog, eat 5-10 fruits or veggies a day, and he would have been fine. Would've felt good, made some friends and not needed to be poisoned by ideologies.
So specifically, what do you mean by mental health? Because I think we're on the same side of not wanting innocent people murdered in our society. So what type of tangible steps do you think can be taken to improve this mammoth mental health that you've identified as the problem?
@@davidmetzler6670 idk if you know this but most of these shootings happen in areas that already have very strict gun laws to begin with.
@@raphmaster23 real shit. I've been saying this for a while, bring back institutions
That Chris guy, the army vet. What a hero, God knows how many lives he saved that day
*Chris Mintz.* If you want to show him respect, you should use his name.
@@milknhoneyhoney There is always one who has to find fault
@@a_reflection_of_yourself you call him a hero but refer to him as “that Chris guy”
It’s just a matter of respect
@@milknhoneyhoney it was 2.30 am, get over it, move along. I clearly meant no disrespect. I'm sure Chris Mintz probably wouldn't have an issue with what I said. It's you who has picked fault, only you. I even agree with what you've said, bit as I've said it was 2.30 am there is no need to labour the point. It makes you look petty
Fr, it isn't that deep lmao
This happened in my hometown and my cousin was one of the people who was shot. She managed to survive but will never be the way she was before. I was being homeschooled that year so I was home when it happened. My mom came in in an absolute panic and said there was a shooting at the college and my cousin had been hit. The bullet passed through her shoulder and exited down by her hip, ricocheting off her ribcage and lucky missing any vital organs. We spent quite a bit of time with her in the hospital while she was recovering. I still see #Umpqua Strong stickers on cars everywhere around town.
"He was quite the white supremacist despite being half black"
You would be baffled by bow common this is.
i was gonna say, it's kinda common.
The number of trump supporting, anti immigrants comments I see in Facebook written by Spanish people and in broken english is so sad.
English father yet supports the RA.
@@ISeeWhatYouDidThere it's usually about illegal immigrants, which isn't racist to be against. The immigrants who bothered to go through the long process to get in and likely have relatives still in their home country waiting to finish the process themselves and come over obviously won't like the people who force their way in and skip the whole process.
Have you ever waited in line for something? What kind of feeling do you get when you have even just a few people cut in front of you even though you've been waiting for a long time?
@@-8h- that's entirely beside the point of my comment
This happened in my town and our community hurts so bad from this. Thanks for sharing information on him, the news refused to.
Also, sherrif hanlins son is arrested very often for multiple charges.
We asked them not to, we fought it being sensationalized.
so you admit to doing it?
Living with a brother that has Asperger’s a lot of the behavioral stuff that was described him of doing as far as tantrums and outbursts is fairly common and hard for people with that to grow out of, I believe the lack of proper care and and help in his life definitely let him get too far down the wrong path before it was too late
I could just imagine if my brother hadn’t had any more support or care for himself and how I would feel if he did this
Very sad story all around to be honest
Agree 100 percent. Very sad, because autism doesn't go away and is so often misunderstood.
@@JA-ks7kf it's sad that there isn't enough support to get people diognosed, disability payments exist now for folks with learning disabilities which also comes with an incredible amount of support but without a diognosis they never get it in time
Im glad somebody is seeing the bigger picture here. Even the part about his mom complaining about noise. Like mate they have aspergers, the noise was probably extremely overstimulating.
@@JA-ks7kf It is only lately that doctors began to diagnose autism. In the not so distant past, it was merely considered wickedness.
@@leokinvig6368 Complaing about noise does not mean that you have autism.
How many times have you shouted at your children for making too much noise while playing with their siblings or at your teenagers for playing their music too loudly? How many times have people complained about their neighbour's building works drilling driving them crazy? Not all those people who complain have autism. It is immature to think that they have.
Who doesn't throw a tantrum when they get the tires slashed.
Well it's a bicycle, you can get a new cheap tire and tube for 20 bucks at Walmart. Sure I would be a bit mad but more so I would just be curious who did it, defiantly wouldn't throw a tantrum and get all worked up with revenge. Now slashing my cars tires i would be pretty mad but still know one throw tantrums after 10 years old
@@aurorasfamilyproductions8484 yea tires cost a lot
Especially during an already bad day
Chris Mintz. I hope nothing but goodness for you and your family for the rest of your days. You saved people and did a selfless thing for others. You sir are a very awesome person.
Why is it that you can take one look at a photo of a dude and know he's from England...
This is true 😭
😂
The fact he held a gun to his moms face and she then allowed there to be any guns let alone 14! Shows she was as much to blame for what happened
She probably destroyed her son
😱
@davio7031 she definitely ruined him
@@davio7031 umm so is the dad he was a dead beat. And sounded like he may be on the spec
Asperger’s and Autism are the same disorder, only we don’t use the term asperger’s anymore because it is no longer a diagnoses. What was formerly known as asperger’s is now recognized as a form of autism (usually involving high verbal functions, an ability to mask traits, etc).
Great video, just throwing that out there!
Asbergers is still a diagnosis lol. Why would you say this? We literally just had this diagnosis for a family member. Ppl are so strange. Just make stuff up, then act like you did a favor lol
@@thevolatilitywhisperer7616 Nope. It is not recognized in the DMS5. Look it up. Your family member was probably diagnosed as high functioning autistic but the doctor may have said asperger’s to simplify. It’s literally not a real diagnoses anymore. I’m autistic and this is straight from both my own psychiatrist and a 2021 edition psychology textbook. But go off I guess
@@thevolatilitywhisperer7616 It’s actually crazy to me how allistics think they know more than us about our own disorder lol. If you aren’t autistic yourself (idc how many autistic people you know) you aren’t an authority on the issue. The term Asperger’s came from a Nazi who would sort autistic people into two categories; those who could work, and those would be killed. Asperger was his last name, and he killed the autistic people who weren’t functioning enough to work, which is part of the reason we have discontinued the name.
@@thevolatilitywhisperer7616 it's not. I'm autistic and work in the mental health field so this is an area I'm very familiar with. it was removed as a diagnosis from the dsm. the only difference between aspergers and autism was that autism was connected with a language delay. ability to mask has never been a part of it. a lot of autistic people feel that the diagnosis is offensive due to the sense that it seems to separate "bad" autistic ppl vs "good" ones (ie: autistic people who pass vs those who don't) and bc it was named for someone who has been discovered to be a nazi collaborater. your loved one was probably described as having aspergers because of the intense stigma around autism, and because it's become shorthand for autism with low support needs (which is also not true, aspergers never had anything to do with intensity of support needs)
@@jaynenunya6070 I assume this must be something specific to the United States or a few other countries at most (with the usual criteria such as political/ military alignment, GDP, cultural and historical similarities, being co-signatory members of international organisations, and other such factors one would typically assume to be at play not being factors)
I think the confusion must stem from Asperger's not being its own diagnosis in the US, in contrast to other Western countries? For example it certainly still exists in the UK as I know people who have been diagnosed with it, and not autism or a version of autistic such as high-functioning etc. I too find it offensive to amalgamate all those on the spectrum under the broad umbrella of autistic, despite the fact that there is a very distinct difference between the two; for instance Asperger's is rarely ever noticeable and people can go about their lives without it being evident to people they encounter, whereas, depending on the severity, autistic individuals can often be identified as such much more easily.
I cannot see the benefit of lumping the two diagnoses into one and the same category; Asperger's is linked with other conditions, such as depression, anxiety, ocd, struggles with social mobility, and various other issues, such as low self-esteem/ self-confidence, which is certainly not helped if they are deemed to be on par with severely autistic people much more in need of support than they are. Asperger's also is linked with in a large number of cases high level intelligence, whereas autism is generally associated with the opposite, difficulties with basic day-to-day tasks for instance.
If the US has removed Asperger's as a diagnosis after decade upon decade of it not falling under any kind of scrutiny as its own condition, seemingly somewhat arbitrarily, then perhaps restoring it to its previous status would be the best course of action at this point. Times are difficult enough right now and unfortunately rates of self harm and suicide have skyrocketed recently most notably among the younger generations, so adding this to their list of problems isn't a great move by the authorities I would think.
Mintz was an actual gigachad, huge W to him and I'm glad he lived
Hatred for blackmen but he did no kill any just whyte people
I’m shocked at how many of these incels fail basic training.
Really though? Seems about right.
Seems to me they lack discipline and mental toughness.
@@jessickalush3305 I'm an incel and I am an enlisted officer in the US Air Force Reserves.
@@Mshi- yay low standards!
Thanks Trip, I must live under a rock as I have no recollection of this event. Incredibly tragic .
Tragic and senseless!
🥀💔 R.I.P. to all of the innocent victims…
🌸💕🌷💕🌸💕🌹
its tragic that a victim/hero of the attack needed a go fund me to pay medical costs
You will not be welcomed in hell, Christopher. We have a strict no-loser policy down here.
Thank you for entertaining us; giving information without a personal spin. It is refreshing.
Oh the nerve of the Father to get on there and complain about how distraught him and his Family is . How about how distraught your Son was when you abandoned him ?
Society is in a bad state man
@@callumconnors5190 That's why Patrick Bateman is literally me
I always knew Anthony Fantano was capable of this, but I didn't wanna believe
Lmaoo
Society needs to really address the epidemic of loneliness. The fact that a bunch of isolated individuals group together through the internet shows how much of a pervasive problem this is. Someone calling themself an “incel” should perhaps be seen more of a cry for help than anything, right up until the point they lash out violently. These people’s minds are warped, and like it or not, we need to spend less time making fun of them, and maybe help them crawl out of this mental black hole, if we can.
Yes, we need to stop being stuck up towards each other and learn to talk and listen to each other again.
I'm not sure how society as a whole could enhance people's social lives. People need to be strong enough to take charge of their own happiness in life.
The only solution is AI android wives for these guys
That would require actually giving a cra p about people and let's be real most people only care for themselves.
banning guns is a much more effective way to stop mass shootings
I love that you are mature and don't make jokes of poor taste during these videos :)
Okay, yes, I completely agree. BUT sometimes, it's necessary, like that ONE video about the priest and the two dominatrix's, when Trip choked on their laugh, I'm so glad, because I was dying of laughter, and it made me feel better that I wasn't the only one losing it. lol
@@RemyDarling yeah, there's certainly a time and a place for it. There was no time nor place in this video so far imo
@@nikosucksatskating Exactly. Time and place!
@@RemyDarling i totally need to know what video this is- may i ask for which?
Like WhatChapter. Can’t stand that guy
I try to be a good person...I don't ever wish harm on anyone and try to understand what motivates some people to do the twisted things they do...I don't make excuses for them or justify their actions. The human race can be horrible...and may God or whatever you believe in forgive me but I wish Eliot Rodger had never been born. I know that sounds terrible to say because I know he has family who loved him..but he has inspired so many other twisted people to be like him and emulate his actions. I wish he could be erased from history
Actually, during a gathering at the college his father said the same thing.
He was rich and spoiled, he cried about people who were social and didn't join them himself, honestly if I was elliot Rodger I would have lost my virginity at age 16 no problem 🤣 he had a BMW bought by his father. And elliot rodger was beyond help, his mind was so warped and twisted he had no chance of getting better
@@tremainebligh8984 Not true. He actually had friends, and his dad paid for a "social coach" for some time. A guy who would go out places with Elliot and try to help him be more outgoing instead of staying in his room all day playing WoW. He didn't just want sex, he wanted a romantic relationship, but his ideas of a relationship were so high, that it was difficult. He would not settle for anything less than a 10/10 blonde super model type of women, and nobody of that description was interested in him so he would not compromise.
@@tremainebligh8984 Elliot Rodger was God's mistake
@@tremainebligh8984 He was not rich nor spoiled, his dad was living paycheck to paycheck for a while and briefly had enough money to give Elliott a car. He was otherwise neglectful to Elliott
I live about 45 minutes from Roseburg in Grants Pass. I remember when this happened and the local media wouldn't even report his name. Their stance was to focus on the victims only to avoid glamorizing the perp. This is the first time I've heard his name or his story.
Sadly we Americans don't like to learn from our mistakes, we just like to keep making them.
i can’t believe fantano would do this
Great stuff as usual, Mr. Trip. I've heard of a lot of the subjects of your videos, but even so, you always include information that is completely new to me and I appreciate how much research you must do to make this content. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I'm enchanted by the name Mr. Trip. That's a righteous nickname.
It's bad and should be removed for naming the killer against the wishes of the victims and community.
@@Saitaina I get what you're saying, and I agree with honoring the wishes of the victims family members. But as far as I can tell, the only person involved in the case that refused to speak the name of the killer was the chief of police. He may have many people in the community that agreed with his position, but surely he can't speak for everyone. The name of the murdering POS was released by the local, national, and international news media, so a UA-camr covering this particular case has no reasonable obligation to keep the name of the killer secret. Many UA-camrs are much less respectful to the victims of the crime (using melodramatic voices, focusing on the morbid details of the violence perpetrated, never calling the victims by their names, etc), so you have to give Dire Trip some credit for that. With that said, you are entitled to your opinion, even if I feel most of your objection is probably better directed at the true crime genre as a whole, as opposed to one specific channel.
Its sick that Antoni Fantano is allowed on youtube after what he did.
what did he do?
@@KaneTexas It was a joke pointing out how this dude looked a lot like Fantano
@@PeruvianPotato OHHHH OK GRACIAS COMPA
Lucero was a close friend of my family. She would come spend time with my little sister and would help my mom with her Spanish. We were all devastated when this happened. RIP, you are missed..
I remember that news channel that used an Anthony Fantano picture when talking about him.
Well they do look the same and are about the same amount of cringe.
Both are capable of devastating atrocities.
cant believe anthony fantano would do this
When concerning events happen in a community or in places like the Army, and officials know what is going on, it is in everybody's best interest that the information be made public and transparent as soon as possible. Because when officials withhold or delay releasing information that the public wants to know, people will just start coming to conclusions of their own and they will ALWAYS assume the worst. This is how conspiracy theories start too.
Most of the times, when information is hidden from the public, it's to cover someone, often government officials, who didn't do their job.
What a super creepy dude, great coverage of the case Dire!
creepy is an understatement
Okay S-0-¥-ß-0-¥ Wojak lmao
I just started this video but already I'm asking if this guy was showing signs of issues why the heck did he have access to a gun?? Yet again
Always appreciated dude, many thanks.
Dear god, I hope this ends with his mother being held accountable.
I couldn't watch this when it first released, since the shooting here in Buffalo just happened on Saturday. This shit just never stops.
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I always enjoy your videos, you do a very good job. My thoughts go out to everyone who was touched by this tragedy. Your fan from Alabam
One of my friends was there during this incident. Luckily she survived, but was obviously traumatized.
Was she in the actual classroom that got shot up?
*Inceldent...
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@@oliveryt7168 read the room
@@oliveryt7168haha xD so funny. Not even my autistic self could be so out of touch.
You should cover the case of Sheila Labarre from epping, nh. It’s a crazy story and happened in the next town over in my state. Love your videos! Keep up the great work
Yeah she was a nutjob and a half. I know Coffeehouse Crime did a great video on her not to long ago. I had completely forgotten about Sheila and her horror ranch until I watched that. I was living in Portsmouth when that whole mess went down.
Christopher Mintz you are such an example to humanity of a hero. This killer is so mediocre even in his killing he has no personality at all.
Condolences to the families...
Tragic to be taken by a dollar store Uncle Ruckus.
The mother seemed to be an enabler who made excuses for him.
I really enjoy your content. You cover cases that I haven’t heard of and I am a crime show junkie! LOL Great job and I’m a fan. Thanks for your hard work.
Holy crap this guy was in basic training at the same station and year, I went on to fulfilling my service and deployment but I am sick that this guy was literally on the same station in basic training.
He probably made that profile for Spiritual Passion because he was desperate and looked anywhere and everywhere for someone. Desperate people tend to do that and are constantly on the lookout. They don't really care who it is as long as it's someone.
@Surcharge most people like that are harmless. Being desperate doesn't automatically make you potentially dangerous. They're on the lookout all the time, but not in a predatory way. They're more like dogs who hope some nice human will feed them and pet them.
@Surcharge lmao yeah all lonely people are SOOOOOOOO dangerous aren’t they?
I lived in Winchester when this happened. Right up the road from the apartments they lived at. Such a crazy day. I had no idea what was going on at first. The road was totally blocked off and helicopters circling around.
I wasn't attending college then, but I have been there many times over the years. My mom went to school there. The pool is open to the public during summer. It's a beautiful campus. Still hard to believe this happened.
Our community still greeves. The ONLY reason we were able bto respond is the Springfield shooting, but thank God we had plans in place.
😱 Wow what a shocker, may the victims rest in peace, 🙏 another interesting video thanks 🖤
Keep up the good work fella and, as always, stay safe!
Wow the animation in this was phenomenal! Great job!🥰 Anyway I remember this horrible tragedy! Prayers continued for those who still deal with the aftermath today! 😭
Also makes you think about the people in California today, oblivious to the fact had this guy not moved to another state, they would be dead. If he didn't do it here, he would have done it in California.
Thoughts and prayers! But no preventative mental health work! 🥰
@@tjitjo ...Yep! All the bullsh*t prayers in the world have not done JACK!!!
Amazing content. Came across your channel other night, and I think it's took me just short of a week to watch and like all your vids ha!!! Keep up the work Dire !!!
damn...
You should create playlist on the Crime by Incels....
It's like the new Terrorist ring already by now...
@Dire Trip ... I really like how you just tell the facts of the story and not make it about yourself with bias political opinions and demands like so many other "true crime narrators" do. You understand that it just is what it is. Don't change a thing about how you present your hard research.
-Thank you!
Great review
Just one comment Elliot is not famous he is Infamous!
What is it with incels joining the army and failing miserably. I mean I get it. These ppl tend to be... Not the best specimens but I was under the impression that failing in the army is hard to do... Especially if your trying
The two pictures at 5:15 are of Winchester Bay, not Winchester. This incident hit our community very hard, everyone knows someone who was there or who lost someone.
How could he buy 14 guns?? It's crazy!
No its not
Not crazy to own firearms
With money....
@@nealkelly9757 but do you need 14?
It’s very easy to buy guns
Nothing changed, that's how it works 😔 we only conform to the mega corporations, we lose. And we refuse to admit that we are wrong.
My mom always said never trust a man with three first names
Sam Bankman-Fried
Oh yeah, that’ll definitely get him a girlfriend.
Hey, thank you for covering this. I didn't know anything about this monster's background until I watched this video. As an Oregonian myself I remember when this happened and was shown on the news, I was 16 at the time. It really was out of the blue that this happened at all I mean Oregon still has shootings and whatnot but a school shooting hadn't happened for a very long time as far as I know (Thurston High School shooting happened back in 1998, I actually was attending school there at the time of the Umpqua massacre how uncanny..)
If he punched himself, would that be a hate crime?
Underrated
Okay look, liking guns and supporting the IRA shouldn't be a red flag.
Edit: liking Elliot Rodger and sandy hook documentaries definitely are.
13:35 the actual embodiment of a gigachad
@4:03 I can't be the only one who immediately pictured Clayton Bigsby from Dave Chappelle's black white supremacist skit...
Thanks for your amazing content good sir. I appreciate you and the work you put in
Wow. His childhood is similar to mine, but I don’t wanna ever turn into an evil person like this. This is crazy.
Random violence by unhinged sociopaths cannot be eliminated. But most countries make it as difficult as possible by having very strict gun laws. America makes it as easy as possible by having extremely permissive gun laws (basically, "You want a gun, or 10 guns? No problem!)
That's because we're a nation of free people.
@@TheSBleeder Australia is a nation of free people too, one of the oldest continuous democracies on the planet, yet they have strict gun laws and NO school shootings.
@@spinynorman1562yeah and their government controls them like dogs think for one second dude
Even nations with strict guns laws or no gun rights at all can’t solve this problem.
@@pitbossea But the problem is much, much worse in countries like the US which allow almost anyone to buy firearms. The fact that "incels" and other unhinged people can easily buy an AR-15 is just crazy and has led to these terrible mass killings.
Rip to all the innocent people who lost their lives bc of some sick individual you will not be forgotten
Oh, they will, eventually. It's a sickness though, for sure.
@@fraxizztv6433 What an unnecessary comment.
@@Lily-lc5ox You're not wrong. My nihilistic bias shined through. Apologies for not reading the room. (:
Chriss Minz needed to do gofundme. Oregon should have automatically pay hospital bills.
Oh man, single parent homes, pharmaceuticals, high powered rifles?
What could possibly go wrong?
one of my dreams was to get in the army but despite my best, repeated efforts, appeals and recourses couldnt get in, im 40 now and gave this thing a place, even if retried last year to get in the reserve but they said my dossier was still frozen 🙂it was worth a shot, trieing the legion was an option and i even contemplated going to ucraine but let say i have gotten used to the comfort and higher pay of my alternative life now not to mention im a husband and father now. Anyway, all this to say im still baffeled that people like this guy and Minassian got in no questions asked, even that joker killer got until bootcamp, as i they wouldnt even let me trough the door... Funny
America needs to open the asylums back up!
Yes not just for the crazies but for the homeless and strung out addicts
Half the population needs to be thrown into the asylum.
Imagine fanboying over an organization that would never accept you 😪
I went to Wolf Creek Job Corps. The automotive trade primarily studied at this college and were in the middle of this. It still haunts me to this day knowing I could have possibly lost one or two of my friends there, luckily they all came back to campus okay. Thank you for touching on this, but I'm not ready to watch any videos about this yet. It's still too much to think about for me.
why does he look like neon
sadly reminds me, the late Elliot Rodger is basically the mascot for the incel community, people view him as being the King of Incels
At the end of your sentences you tend to whisper, making it hard to hear. Just wanted to let you know. Love the content! 👌
It's crazy he hated people that had nothing to do with his state in life.
It's a surprisingly common attitude in some American communities, just look at the 2020 summer riots, when shameless hate for complete strangers took over American cities for months.
@@mjanny6330 The 2020 protest was a response to a brazen murder. The hate directed to the murderer and the system that allowed acts like that to go unpunished was justified.
If you really think about they technically did do with his state in life
Ok I get the right to own a weapon in a continent where everyone else has one. But so many? With no insight on mental state, crazy ideals and all?
Being kicked out of Army basic training for su!cide should have disqualified him from possessing firearms. This was completely preventable.
Maybe it should, but the law right now is based on “adjudication” which involves official process, most of the time the military doesn’t want it bother with that for people who aren’t fitting in. They just seperate them from the service and call it good
Case request: Keeley Bunker
(I love your content by the way.)
yooo just noticed that elliot had vegeta's hair line
Do we get red flagged like these guys when we keep watching vids about mass shooting breakdowns?
I remember when this happened. My son almost started school there but we moved south and he started at Rouge Community College right before this happened. So sad
You guys moved south and thanks to God things didn't go south. 🙏🙂
Wonder if the ADL would have also thought it wasn’t a hate crime if Christopher had asked the students if they were Jewish
I can't finish this video without noting how a crucial descriptor of this person is him being biracial and aligning with white supremacists. Those are a few of, what I'm sure will be many examples of self hatred. Coupled with clear neurodivergence and no help in sight, this was a powder keg unfortunately. I didn't see any social services, didn't see any teachers intervene, family friends, nothing. How tragic that no one noticed either Christopher or his mother and he harbored ill feelings for people that never knew him at all.
Exactly, he was essentially ignored or abandoned by everyone except his mother.
Christopher was half whyte and supported his whyte side. Just like Elliot Rodger is half whyte and supported his whyte side. Both were whyte supremacists.
Elliot Rodgers was a narcissist an as such a good bit of it was about his delusion that he was descended from British Aristocracy. Likewise his writing was both sophisticated and highly pretentious. As for the chap in the video, he was socially isolated likely with the logic of keeping himself safe for the surrounding community, he mostly socialised online with people of that mindset and people with autism tend are very systemitising, e.g. they care about what the data they see suggests rather than caring much about social acceptance, self interest or moderation, they allow deal very poorly with lies and misinformation as it doesn't fit their logic (if you want a solution it is imperative to find the nature of the problem, lies are illogical as they inhibit clarity and thus the achieving of the overarching goal). People with the condition should be expected to be overrepresented at extremes, especially when those extremes are founded on plausible sounding logical fallacies. Pain of a demographic to advertise to I hear.
@@braetonwilson4296 But Chris was completely rejected by the one white person that mattered... his father. Once his parents split, his dad disappeared from his life even though they lived in the same state. Associating with the most extreme aspects of white society and a self loathing for being rejected by his father likely pushed him to subconsciously hate himself AND his mother, no matter how much she was there for him. People who are dealing with internal issues always lash out at those immediately around them.
@@thulsadoom3658 Exactly, I agree with you completely. That boy wanted to be white, to be accepted, to be acknowledged, by his parent--the person we're told if the world is against you, they will "always" support you. Yet that rejection coupled with systemic racial tensions, he was drowning and didn't even know it. It's tragic the only person who intervened in a way was whoever that instructor was that refused to teach him.