MMORPG Tier List - The Best MMOs and the ones to AVOID
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Rating all the Best MMO's in 2023 from best to worst on the Tier List. We go through them in alphabetical order.
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0:00 Intro
0:33 Aion
1:16 Albion
3:56 Archage
4:40 Black Desert (BDO)
5:34 Bless Unleashed
6:20 DC Universe Online
6:52 Elyon
7:33 Elder Scrolls Online (ESO)
10:37 Eve Online
11:46 EverQuest
12:20 Final Fantasy 11 (FF11)
13:35 Final Fantasy 14 (FF14)
15:02 Guild Wars 1 (GW)
15:28 Guild Wars 2 (GW2)
17:44 Lineage 2
19:20 Lord of the Rings Online (LOTRO)
19:54 Lost Ark
21:29 Mortal Online
22:09 Neverwinter
22:40 New World
26:04 Old School RuneScape (OSRS)
27:03 Rift
27:31 RuneScape3
28:18 Skyforge
28:34 Star Trek Online (STO)
29:01 Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR)
30:01 Tera
30:49 Ultima Online
31:23 Warhammer Online
32:23 World of Warcraft (WoW)
33:58 World of Warcraft Classic (WOW Classic) - Ігри
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ArchAge was my shit! ❤️
I don't know what did you think about, when you talked about GW2 having lootboxes, since that is not the case. The closest to that is that you can earn "lootboxes" or caches in-game through in-game activities and reward tracks - and only through these - that have possible rewards in it. You can't buy these boxes for real money, since these are bound items, so you can't sell them on the market. Anything you buy for real money you know what you buy.
One more to add to ESO. You were saying that "in your ideal mmo you are never tempted to go to the cash shop to expedite your progress". But this is how it is in ESO. Apart from cosmetics you can't or don't need to really get anything from the cash shop that expedite your progress. Apart from cosmetics you can buy some potions, food, posion and xp boost scrolls. Yeah this might sound bad. However the game showers you with these items for free. Even after 500 hours I still have a lot of these gifted scrolls, foods, etc. in my inventory and just takes away slots. And these are not even the best items in the game, you can cook better food, craft better potions, xp boosting gear, posions. Apart from cosmetics there's no temptation to go to the shop. And if you really need those cosmetics after the hundreds of different crafting styles for all gear items that the game has, that doesn't requires the shop, then I guess you can spend a few bucks. I accept that having no new in-game earnable house with High-Isle is bad, I accept that making a card game your big new feature in a year long expansion is bad. No argueing there, but I think ESO has a really fair monetization system.
So, ESO is my game, FFXIV is really enticing but the fact that you have to read a novel worth of text at every part in small letters single spaced is just ridiculous for the size of the game it takes me out of immersion of the game. Voice acting in ESO really gets me invested in every single quest, even random side quests you stumble on while skyshard hunting. I love crafting in games, though FFXIV has some great crafting I never feel accomplished by doing it, it does feel like ultima with the gathering aspect but there is so much useless recipes when you level past them. I do love the in-depth aspect of each craft but it feels like one and done. ESO even enchanting is so cool you feel like you're combining spells to make each one "jora oko ta" "jejora deni kuta". Since you are researching traits you can build any armor type for any level at any quality and any style, that you have collected, once you have taken the real world time to learn them. It took me a year to become master crafter and another 6 months when jewelry came out, and it feels that I have accomplished something and each recipe is important, yes you can cash shop some boosts but that would be very expensive and still time consuming. Downside for me is the limit of skills, though I understand it, and the auction system, the fact that you have to access a website to find things you are looking for and there is no central auction house just many many stores is very exhausting to sell and buy, but it does keep prices high. Last point for ESO no part of the game feels like a starting zone, they all feel like you are actually starting new and have to work hard to get into it.
@@lawrencegomar5737 Exactly! I can still remember from 4 years ago when I was chasing a big baddy called Vox in Deshaan and on my journey I randomly bumped into a camp, where I saw a quest lady tending to the wounded. I thought what the heck I'll help her. After about 20 minutes I managed to save her housband and ruin their marriage.
As it turned out the lady was bothered that the husband didn't spend enough time with her, so she caused little incident in the mine so the guy gets more free time. However he was trapped due to the incident so she asked me to help. After saving the guy I had the chance to choose wether or not I tell him what the lady did. I decided to tell the truth so he chased his wife away. After a few weeks I went back. The wife was still missing and the guy told me that he doesn't know if he could ever forgive her for endangering his and his clleagues lives. And this was just a random 20 min. long side-quest, but with full voice acting. The quest quality in ESO is among the best.
U get plenty of meaningfully rewards not in the shop.......wtf
One thing about gw2's monetisation is yes you have to buy mount skins from the cash shop but it doesn't have a subscription fee like ff14, you don't have to buy the base game in gw2 like in ff14. Anet makes money solely off of the cash shop and the expansions. And the cash shop is extremely fair. Most things on the cash shop are QoL upgrades and cosmetics. The best thing is you can exchange your in-game gold into gems and use them in cash shop. Basically, you can still earn them in game, just a different approach. A lot of people will spend money here and there on the cash shop because they consider it as the money they'd spend on a subscription. Anet doesn't force you to spend, they make you feel guilty that you aren't spending.
Comment regarding gw2: I was ready to buy the expansions to get the mount. The problem is their payment system doesn't work, it gives an error, and until you make a support ticket, you basically cannot pay. I didn't create a support ticket in the end.
@@kudorgyozo Yes.. I've heard about their new payment handler and it's not too good. But I'm on Steam so that's one less hassle. If you haven't bought the expansions yet and wanna give it one more try, I recommend to go through steam.
QoL on cach shop? isn't that a bad thing for the players?
@@xstreampunk7662 How else would the studio make money? It has no sub fee.
@@sh1ro9 i do get what you are saying but selling QoL still makes the base game less desirable till you get those to make things better.
i actualy don't know anything about GW but just reading them selling QoL just feels wrong, but to be clear for us, QoL = Quality of life right?
Pretty fair list but man no monthly fee for GW2 should make it S tier lol. I started my journey 10 years ago and have only recently come back and put in 900+ hours to Gw2 for a total of 1200. I’ve never seen a game have that capability.
Indeed one of, if not the best feature of GW2.
Also the mounts you get it from achievments, "skins" is only cosmetic
@@CharrREDR every game is the same way with a few exceptions.
I think putting 500+ hours over 10 years speaks for why it’s not s tier.
@@kicore9624 pretty sure he meant 500 hours since he came back, could be wrong.
I just can't see how GW2 and NW can compete on the same tier. Gw2 definately deserves the S tier and NW can be debated whether it's low A or high B atm. Wow classic probably high A or Low S aswell. But overall very satisfied with the list.
Gw2 pre HoT or a year post HoT release I would agree with S tier. But after that they made boneheaded decision with story, content releases, horrible Balance changes that til this day still suffer from it which essentially killed the Esport scene of gw2. On the community side, bad balance changes also made a lot of players in all 3 game modes dropped the games where PVP is very underpopulated and as a plat 3 players I get matched with gold 2 players all the time which shouldn’t happen. The GVG was never the same like those TA vs Aggression days, it was hype. In 2015, Twitch wasn’t even that big yet and HoT reveal stream peaked over 300k viewers at the time, End of Dragons doesn’t even get passed 50k mark during the pandemic where everyone is at home watching. Highest right now I’ll give you B+ at best because they did good with the EoD Strikes. It’s the only time where they actually followed up on an idea instead of abandoning it like they always did. Thankfully they didn’t follow the trend of uninteresting storyline from Icebrood saga because season 4 was really good and early IBS was also good, then Jormag Rising and Champion were 2 of the worst living story episodes, even more than the non voice acted season 2, EoD story was good and maybe they could follow up on that and please for the love of god move past Elder Dragons, I loved the Dragons then, still love them now, but it’s been almost 6 years now that Guild wars 2 story became Aurene Wars 2, let’s just go back to the roots after the saga complete and leave Aurene alone, as in please don’t make her corrupt anytime soon and reduce her involvement, expand on the EoD characters like season 4 did with the Ohmakhan, maybe perhaps something involved with old kaineng
New world is definitely A tier. Just the fact that it's such a new game with crazy potential and free I would personally recommend playing it over a game that's been out for a decade. In a year or 2 New World could easily be the best mmo out there if AGS can polish the game better.
@@WhoFlungDung New World is not free, or did I misunderstand you?
Only ranking I disagree with is Guild Wars 2 should also be S tier IMO. The cash shop skins and boxes you take issue with can be earned in game pretty easily with gold to gem conversion. No power is sold so it has no pay to win at all. It deserves to be in the top 3.
Get some standards man. A buggy mess that performs like trash doesn't deserve S tier.
@@mrbananoid uhh, literally one of the only things you don't have to do lol. There are Fractals and raids and strikes and ranked PvP and even World Vs World. Tons to do.
@@mrbananoid Thats one of those things you don't have to do. Get gud
@@etrex5272 It amazes me how you managed to get so many things wrong in such a short sentence xD. I mean it sucks if your PC can't run GW2 or if you are just too stubborn to lower the graphic settings. But if I would have to bet my money, I would put it on option nr. 2 (at least by your demeanor on stream).
I don't know what your so-called "standards" are by which you judge games. But they can't be reasonable/unbiased judging by the phrasing you are using and the person applying them. Reads more like someone having a grudge/vendetta due to an unpleasant encounter or envy.
Must suck to be on such a short fuse xDDD
@@kaiyubi9052 you must be a really weird specimen to 1. not know gw2 performs like shit 2. Look into random ppl in youtube comments, look at clips and then call out someones personal character in a comment section on youtube. I'm proud of who I am and I am very self-aware. Are you?
I will say for OSRS, they have clients that give you high detail packs - and it’s changed by 1000% from 2001. After eoc they had to remake osrs because people weren’t happy with RuneScape, and now we have osrs that’s been revamped. Some of the bosses like theatre of blood or inferno are solid. It doesn’t compare to ffxiv but osrs graphics are a lot better than you previewed them to be!
yeah but that game has monthly sub, thats an auto pass.
@@andeersonz So do the majority of MMOs lol, plus you can buy membership with in game gold.
@@yesudiddie yep, i plan to do it that way, and most of the mmos i've played back when i was younger never really had those subscription thingies, such as silkroad, cabal, perfect world, ragnarok, etc. and i had fun in all of them as im not gated to the content if i dont pay.
@@andeersonz actually u can buy membership with in game gold btw but id recommend at least buying 1 month and then swapping to buying membership in game
@@andeersonz if you expect an mmo to last a long time without any monetization or subscription you're gonna be disappointed.
A big plus for Guild Wars 2 that I dont think you mentioned is there is NO SUBSCRIPTION even on offer. All the extra content is DLC and very robust. I think they have a very fair and non predatory model.
Whole list is spot on except GW2. It is without a doubt a S tier MMO. 0 p2w, 0 subscription. Cash shop is cosmetic with minor QoL stuff.
Great list! I've played almost every game on the list and agree with your assessments. There is one major MMO missing that pushed the genre forward just before WoW and just after Everquest. Dark Age of Camelot was, and still is imo, the best PvP experience in an MMO. Large scale pvp was insane. Relic raids, keep seiges, three realms! And it's still up and running afaik.
u can see the inspiration ESO took from it, as it shares many developer who came from DAoC.
Ya was a bit curious why DAoC didn’t make the list with ESO being one of his most played MMO
@@jrono72 true that.
agreed. DAOC was the godfather of all imo. WAR followed it well and simplified RVR etc.. I miss both
Couldn't agree more. DAoC was the king of pvp (rvr) and to this day nothing compares imho
seeing you put wow in S tier when GW2 was put in A tier because of the monetisation make me ache a lot, otherwise i agree with the tiers
I agree with most of the list (the 5 I tried at least): I would only be more undecided on Guild Wars 2 position - S or A - since it does not have a subscription (it balances out the cash shop mount skins), and the fact that you can buy the cash shop items with ingame gold if you grind enough
You really feel like you are playing a mmorpg with the dynamic event feature in GW2. So it will always be S for me. I'm playing Black Desert right now, but it feels more like a single player game than mmorpg.
I started playing GW2 about a week ago and it's by far my favorite MMORPG already, only thing I can really wish for ingame is access to mounts earlier on without dlc, but 1) the map is meant to be explored via multiple jump puzzles on foot and 2) that raptor is the best mount I've ever used.
Yup its Def A or S, nothing in the shop is needed at all, and if you want something you can just convert gold to gems. He misses the mark on a lot of these games.
GW2 is easy S tier. Innovative in every sense of the word and they actually do listen to their community. If only they had Black Desert Online graphics.
can I play gw 2 solo? i didnt like having to be friendly to a stranger just to gain their favor to join the raid party
Lineage 2 was such an addictive and engaging game. It's PVP and PVE content is still uncontested. Open world contested bosses, I have only enjoyed Guild Wars Meta Events as much as raids in Lineage. Winning a 3-4 hour long PVP battle for a world raid to raid another 3-4 hours was an experience. The sieges and territory battles were amazing as well.
Lineage 2 was my fav when it was on top years ago...
Dat feelings bro.
Almost 31 years old now remembering that old good times with this game and i dont think any game will ever manage to touch Lineage's pvp, boss and siege fights.
Definitely was in a class of it's own for a while there. Some good times.
Lineage 2 experience, during it's peak, couldn't be compared to anything.
Warhammer Online animation (npcs going backwards etc) issues got fixed some time ago now. It was the engine issue with uncapped framerates causing animations to break.
Nice video!
gw2 will forever be my favorite mmo simply because it is so unique in every aspect. from mounts to story progression, and even the races. this game really thinks outside the box when it comes to mmo design
Yep, GW2 is one hell of a good game. They did so much right in that game that Ashes is implementing a updated version of it's combat and mount system into their game.
GW2 sucks so bad, u must be noob in the world of mmos and probably that was your frist mmo, sad u started with a big fail.
Guild wars one was better
@@pedrodias5166 ty for sharing
@@pedrodias5166 GuildWars 1 was the best corpg or call it mmo, ever, GuildWars 2 is not GuildWars and that game sucks.
gw2 having no subscription is a game changer for me, but also horizontal progression! I stopped playing for 5 whole years, recently came back, and none of my gear was obsoleted, I can basically pick up where I left off. I restarted a new character anyway to fully experience the story, and thoroughly enjoyed it - and getting to 80 didnt require hours and hours of grinding, just playing the story and enjoying the exploration. I only have up to the 2nd expansion, but I honestly plan on dropping some money for the 3rd just because I feel like the devs (and its a very small team apparantly) reaaaaaaly deserve my money. I cannot believe back in 2016 I only paid like $30 and it gave me over 2000 hrs, and everything still fully applicable 5 years of not playing later. kind of blowing my mind tbh XD
Rift at launch was AMAZING! The classes were flexible to any mmo role AND had a LOT of play styles you could spec into so I didn't get bored of repetition while leveling, and I think it was the first one to allow respec any time you weren't in combat, which I did a lot and it was great.
Also Rifts were opening everywhere all the time, even in towns, and they scaled nicely in difficulty to the number of players engaging them. It was so much fun.
But somewhere between 1 month in and 3, basically everyone else disappeared while I was planning (in vain) to make it my main, only to find myself alone in it.
To this day, the first month, maybe two, of Rift was among the best MMO gameplay time I ever had and I'm sad it died. Most of the rest of my favorite mmo experiences were with WoW between launch in 2004 through Burning Crusade.
I want to like SWTOR because the stories range from pretty good to amazing, and the cosmetics are generally awesome too, with a real sense of roll playing unique characters. But my complaint isn't the lack of endgame so much as that the content is so easy as to be boring to the point of not even hardly considering it a game. I only played as much as I did for the stories, as the actual game play became such boring busy work i couldn't take it, especially after one or two class storylines. I REALLY wish there was a way to up the difficulty of the main content as it's too easy for even soloing without a companion most of the time, and with one or more other players (the ideal if you want to play with friends) you just steam rolls to a point you don't even have to understand all your abilities or any skill rotations. That was a big problem trying to play with my brother and his wife in any real instance content. Because they played world content for hundreds of hours always together plus companions, as a consequence of the ease of that, they didn't know or understand their own abilities well enough to participate in even the easiest instances, and thus got angry with them and wouldn't attempt them anymore after only a couple tries. The game should at LEAST be difficult enough that you actually know how to play your character by max level, but sadly it's not required.
Wasn't it in early Rift where you had 2 classes so you could mix and match? I believe it was in Rift I made a tank with ranged spears, and it was incredibly broken in PvP.. Alot of fun but I remember having something like 50 kills and 1 or 2 deaths in PvP matches, so definitly not healthy for the game 😂
I think it was Rift but dementia is kicking in rn 🤔
@@Myndi78 it had 4 classes and later added one. Each class had 3 slots for skill tree (souls) you filled out. So yes basically. @Jeremy Gross I agree about RIft and Swtor. SWTOR nowadays is more difficult since last expansion. I don't play however b/c it is no longer alt friendly really.
I remember playing Rift with my brother when it launched. We had an awful lot of fun running around in battlegrounds together. I remember it was some of the most fun I had ever had in an MMO, but I don't quite remember why we stopped playing.
I remember my rogue/bard in rift that was a god tank for whatever reason
The thing i do like about DCUO is although it is not as great or polished as some of the other mmos it does offer something the other mmos do not and that is the fact you can play 100% of the content completely free, you do not have to spend any money later on like most free to play mmos do, and the shear amount of cosmetics in game to make your character stand out is insane.
Since when? Last time I played, there was a substantial paywall.
@@doyl3311 Not sure when they went full free to play i been back in it just a few months ago and all the episodes are free even the latest ones, i remember when that wasnt always the case but i can't pinpoint exactly when that changed
@@doyl3311 Paywall is gone
@@roachman1002 What about the powers , last time I was on there , you had to pay to go over a certain level and many powers had to be purchased.
Thank you for doing this. Nice summary of the MMORPG's currently available. I wonder why Age Of Conan is not on the list. I would also rate LOTRO higher. They have done some impressive updates lately, and player count is up, partly as a bounce from the Amazon Lord Of The Rings series. The monetization has been vastly improved, as well as the new player experience.
he didnt but Age Of Conan for the same reason he didnt put Ark.. its survival
@@903bloodjinn you're thinking of Conan Exiles. Age of Conan is a mmorpg that's been out for years. Conan Exiles is the survival type game like Ark
as an older guy, one of the reasons i like lotro, is cause the violence is not so graphic, and the visuals not so overwhelming. it is also a huge world game.
I think its important to mention that GW2 cash shop currency can be purchased with in game gold.
So its not really a paywall at all. If you play long enough and put in the time and effort you can buy whatever you want and never spend a penny.
Yeah, line playing for 4k hours. Sounds easy for me.
@@andreschmitz8729 never said "easy."
Also, you're drastically exaggerating.
@@andreschmitz8729 lmao 4k hours, you make 2 gold each day by playing 5 minutes. You can easily make 20+ gold in an hour .
Gw2 was my first mmo, came out the year I graduated high school. Played it on and off for 6 years. Loved the transmog system and the legendaries you can craft. Eternity best looking skin.
I loved EQ when it first came out. It was craaaaaazy, dying to gryphons just outside of freeport *i played a dark elf necro* i had sooo many bodies laying around the first week of playing. This was the initial release of the game. Fun times!
I have a word to say about Runescape3:
Back in 2012-2013 and the introduction of EoC (Evolution of Combat), which is the conversion of the traditional version into the complex ability realms, I quit the game for good years. Around 2016, I came back to the game after experiencing a lot of other MMOs that held that concept of abilities and actionbars, and accumulated a good sense of it to fall in love with that system. I fell in love with RS3 back again.
To me, it has the steepest learning curve of any other game I've played, the combat is way more immersive than ANY other game. The game isn't about hitting a button and look until the animation to end before hitting the next, it incorporates a lot of different skills that you have to shape up in practice. At times you have to operate multiple actions in one game tick (0.6 seconds), in order to beat a boss or survive an Instant Kill mechanic.
I agree, for those who haven't delved too much into the game, the combat system is shallow and boring, not many stuff to do (Combat wise), but as you delve into the Endgame, the game itself starts to shine in its glory. I think RS3 is still one of the most challenging games out there, they released a boss with really high enrage cap (Zamorak, Lord of Chaos, capping at 60k% enrage), making it impossible to beat, yet the game found players that are paving their way through, whether in Solo or Group. They released back in April a boss called Arch-Glacor, they said it is almost impossible to beat the boss in the first month of release, as its mechanics are just way too powerful and punishing to be handled at the concurrent abilities available, but people found their most creative ways to beat in under a month's time!
This game is not getting enough credit, and I understand why, the tick system is clunky and the player-base is aware of that -even though to me that's a niche issue, the game doesn't really "start" but at the endgame when you start getting T85+ gear, but at that moment, sky is your limit.
I really advise people to take on the game again, since most of us really started their MMO journey with Runescape, and if you want some channels to look for and just try to understand what I am talking about, you can check these great channels out:
Protoxx: www.youtube.com/@ProtoxxGaming
Nuzz Nuzz: www.youtube.com/@NuzzNuzz
Maikeru: www.youtube.com/@MaikeruRS
Evil Lucario (Current best PVMer in the game): www.youtube.com/@EvilLucario
And many more channels that are geared towards returning or new players.
this guy has probably no idea on what rs3 is, i dont think he ever played it putting it so low in the "nostalgia" tier, this game has nothing to do with nostalgia it is totally different on what it was, and as u said it has the most complex learning curve of evry mmorpg out there regarding combat
Arenanet is infamous for their lack of advertising of GW2 so it's not surprising most people miss out on it
dragonflight actually helped GW2 in a way. once ppl see how lame the flying is in that compared to GW2 Illl bet more ppl will try out the game.
I love SWTOR, but I really only play it solo and mainly for the story. I love MMOs but I always found most if not all of them to be overly complicated in areas (mainly crafting, grinding repeat daily quests for certain items, pvp, certain leveling systems, group/world events/activities) so I mainly only played every mmo for the main quests/important side quests and swtor has been a blast. Feels like the next KOTOR game, which I also loved both of those. Writing is A1, Bioware really knows how to pull you into a world.
Yeah same here. Thats why i stopped playing Star Trek online.
I love SWTOR PvP as much as the PvE but I can understand why people wouldn't like the PvP I think it had the potential to be amazing and got close for a moment but they really needed to add the 4x4 sooner. That would have helped and maybe make the games quicker...most importantly though they should have got rid of RANKED and found a way to make it more fun for ALL. Voting on maps, random buffs to a random person, also pvp gear for looks only, I think that would have helped too. Just pure fun. It was too serious. The PvE was the only thing that needed to be serious
I thought the writing was mostly decent in the class stories, even if some were more to my taste than others. Some of the choices the player was forced to make in the later expansions were super contrived and dumb.
The gameplay is straight ass tho
Your logic on Neew World should have carried over to Eve Online. Eve has a ton of content if you have the determination to pursue it. My complaint about Eve Online is it is almost always PVP, and the monetization has been increasing since it was bought out...
I agree, I haven't played EVE in ages, but to me personally it was the best MMO I ever played. The depth of game-play is just unreal, and the community aspect was the best. I realize it's perhaps not for everyone due to its hard core nature, but I think it's better than all the other games in its tier on this list.
Literally was just thinking "I hope someone makes a new RPG tier list soon". Well played Lucky Ghost, well played.
Group content in EVEOnline for PVE you can run incursions in highsec/nullsec something you probably missed out on which i think you'd enjoy. WH space aswell you can do solo but much better when you are grouped together. Communities for group PvP you can join something called not purple shoot it. Great way to make friends and to build upon your experiences with EVEOnline. They do work hard on the game it looks beautiful in 2022 since its release in 2003. Some content i agree is lacking however they have spiced things up with the new patch to make people fight each other more.
Enjoyed your video, looking forward to seeing more.
I played like 200 hrs of Albion Online and is a love / hate relationship. I love how simple the game keeps itself, you can literally learn everything withint 10 hours, i enjoyed so much doing merchant running, farming was fun and allways risky in red/black zones BUT
if you're mostly a solo player or happened to be alone in a risky zone you're most probably dead (you lose everything on you). The full loot pvp mechanic and player driven economy really makes things hard as hell for solo players. The risk being allway so high makes people who wants to pvp allways come in groups so yeah
As a person who enjoys the MMO genre but mainly only wants to do single-player content (I get too stressed out feeling like I'm not good enough for other players and I don't want to annoy people), I really appreciate your breakdown of games. Oddly enough one of my all time favorite MMO's was Final Fantasy 11, but I had to leave because it wasn't solo-able in a enjoyable way, but I loved how the mobs had different aggro traits (smell, sound, magic use, etc.) For me MMO's are about exploring living worlds which single-player campaign games lack. But I like to be able to do a lot of content as a single player and I love NPC companions. So while my criteria differs from your criteria for an enjoyable MMO, I find that the games that you rate the highest are also the same games I prefer (which is probably because they end up being the most well-rounded games with enough content to satisfy many different player bases).
i am in the same category and also why I play ESO. the singleplayer is the heart and in story alone its so strong and fun. :)
You'd like SWTOR
@@otakuofmine I agree, I am just now getting into ESO and there is so much content to do as a single-player.
@@christien6230 I do really love SWTOR, it's my go to MMO when I want a more sci-fi themed game as opposed to high medieval fantasy.
@@opalknight6947 glad to hear, hope you enjoy it. (also say if need any tips/help) :)
If you have Everquest on the list, you should also have Everquest 2. But to be honest it probably would just go into the same tier. Another game for that tier I am missing is D&D Online.
Besides that, I also think you need to take subscription vs. no subscription into consideration. While cash shops have pretty clear drawbacks, subscriptions come with a different set of drawbacks as well, which sadly have been implemented into WoW in recent years: Timegating and just doing the minimum of new content to keep you subbed, adding rewards to subs instead of keeping you engaged with content. That is why I would place WoW Shadowlands / Retail into A tier instead of A. The Dragonflight expansion has the potential to let it claim back S tier though.
Where would you put D&D online in this tier list?
@@Andy-656 I haven't played it in a long time myself. Out of my memory I would place it next to Neverwinter, since they have similar approaches: Community hubs and instanced dungeons instead of an open world.
GuildWars2 " you can't get the best skins in the game, you have to buy them" dude, one mount in GW2 is better than any mount in FF14 or any other game.
Thanks for the feedback. I hope you do an update on this video next year to add any new MMOs as well as adjust the grading on MMOs as you see fit.
gw2 doesnt make S tier for having one time buy dlc's but the game that costs $15 a month to play does.
The only reason FF14 isn't my main MMO is after you get through the main story you have no choice but to grind the xp for the other classes, the side quests don't give enough XP to make them worth doing for alt leveling.
GW2 is F2P after one-time purchase. FF is subscription. GW2....wins.......fatality.
@LuckyGhost No one did this before on UA-cam, or at least i did not see it. You earned a sub.
This is great content. I really wanted to see how mmos compared.
Played RF Online, Tera, Aion, Rift, Archeage, BDO, Planetside 2, GW2, Archeage Unchained, and hopefully soon moving on FF XIV
I would like to see you dissecting good and bad for each mmorpg and how they compare in terms of open world, crafting, housing, pve, pvp, graphics, combat etc segments so that people know what games have which highlights and they can more easily decide on what to play.
I think as an honorable mention. I don't know the state of the game now..but Blade'N'Soul was quite an interesting game that I enjoyed back when it released. The combat system for it and the PvP side of it was really good and even solo que for pvp was absolutely amazing and the sky walking, and just overall combat for me has/had major potential and I hope for that game to either be revamped with a new launch or perhaps I just need to play and see how the game and player base still stands.
Think blade & soul is ending it's service, and they are making a second one atm
Had a lot of potential but never quite got it right for me but if they are making a second one I'd definitely give it a go.
@@Maglouk I believe Blade N soul 2 is a mobile game
@@Maglouk It’s not - it quite literally just recently did an engine upgrade. Blade and soul “2” is also a mobile game so
Yea Blade & Soul had probably the best action combat I've played so far. Shame it felt a bit shallow in some respects. Still consider picking it back up from time to time.
So true about ESO's monetization... Even if you don't even factor in the gross cash shop, the amount of content/features they put into an expansion is so comically low compared to other games with a similar price point it's ridiculous--and then to add onto it, the dungeons for the xpac are separate purchases too, c'mon.
Purposely done to push the subscription.
i never get why there must be always a "feature", i just enjoy if its a great story and region, which it usually is. and that was always the main thing of ESO anyways. and the groupdungeons and trails are always excellent as well, trying new things every time, you dont see that in other mmos as much.
@@Stickman0660 no one is subscribing for that, the chapter is never in eso plus lol. its mostly crafters who do that i think
@@otakuofmine oh yea. It's the small dlc that are I'm the subs. And yea crafting is basically impossible without the storage from it. It's been a while since I played eso
@@Stickman0660 no worry, its changes (and improves) all the time. but yeah things can be better still
LOTRO just came out with an entirely new starting zone, and is known for a very engaging MSQ, several hundred quests long IIRC.
everything in gw2's cash shop can be bought with in-game currency, you just convert it to the cash shop currency. Saying it's not on par with FF14 just because of that is unfair. GW2's combat is also much, much better than FF14's, it's fluid and quick, while ff14 is still using dated click to target, not to mention that pain in the ass server tick thing that forces you to play surgically precise. One thing that i admit is that ff14 seems to have more content, but bear in mind that gw2 is buy once play forever for free, it doesn't have the amount of money that a monthly sub produces, it lives entirely on expansion sales + cash shop cosmetics (not a SINGLE thing that is pay to win)
pound for pound, GW2 is truly a S tier mmo
Lucky Ghost!!! Great video and short and sweet explanations. You also have similar wants from an mmos just like me, so well said and made video.
I started playing GW2 about a week ago and it's by far my favorite MMORPG already, only thing I can really wish for ingame is access to mounts earlier on without dlc, but 1) the map is meant to be explored via multiple jump puzzles on foot and 2) that raptor is the best mount I've ever used.
@n. noxti You don't have to do hearts at all if you do not like it. You can pick what ever you like to do and level with that. Pretty much everything give you xp including gathering and crafting. Killing mobs that was not killed for al long time, dungeons, Events, meta events, worldbosses, adventrues, hell you can even play pvp or wvw and gain tomes of knowledge through that and not setting a foot in PvE.
Also the leveling in GW2 have been cut down to 4 hours ua-cam.com/video/242KaO1hSTk/v-deo.html here is proof, but i would never recomend anyone doing it that way for their first character but normally also depending on how much time you put in anything from 24 hours to a week if you plow through it. Again nothing i would recomend but for people like you who do not enjoy the leveling GW2 is probably the game that goes the fastest to get to endcap.
I tried to get into it many times, because on paper all seems perfect, but when playing i just can’t care about it, everything except exploration(which is great) seems a bit off, main thing that combat feels not impactful and super floaty, second is story forgettable and not having quests don’t help. Maybe just not for me.
@@buc991 Tell me you come from WoW without telling me you come from wow. To play GW2 you need an entirely different mindset.
@@xvoidgamer or FFXIV. Literally the wost combat experience out there is FFXIV.
@@JM_Lefebvre Played around 500 hours of ff14 , enjoyed the story...the combat is, indeed dreadful.
If we're going to base on gameplay, mounts, payment model, GW2 easy SS tier.
Lucky ghost thanks for saying that. No other content creator yet, has spoken about the stupid card game like that! Your honest and builds are the best. Please don’t hold back your opinions. I’m your biggest fan.
I really agree on your list, and I played most of them so it's legit. one point for ESO is that I found for theory crafting and experience with set and craft that it has insane possibilities of doing really niche and unique build, so a litle plus for me compraing to others
My main mmo is FF14, but I also love this about ESO. It wouldn't work in FF but that's fine, they're completely different styles of mmo to me. I like to muck about in ESO when I'm raiding in FF too. It's like some chill downtime for me exploring, trying to farm gear, trying to make money etc while I have raid brain in FF. If that makes any sense whatsoever lol
Albion looks good, but I'm with you on the full loot pvp. I don't play anything hardcore enough. So I collect loot and upgrade a bit at a time over a longer time period. Losing all my gear would set me back months at the least. Like, I maybe average 4-5 hours a week. On a really good weekend, I might get 10 hours, but that comes once in a blue moon now. But I'll get like 5 hours to play on Wednesday and Thursday (those are my weekend days).
Ohhh, you wouldn't need to care about it. Like decent gear would cost like 600k silver. And if you die , you can farm that silver in 30min. Died like a hundreds of times. It is fun when you get used to it. At beggining i was afraid to go for pvp zones, now I die and be like "tnx i dont need to walk back to city". And you never lose silver when you die, only items you have in inventory. (You can always store more important and expensive gear in your bank and use it for the raids and non leathal content)
GW2's gem shop is still accessible for all players as gold can be converted into gems. So the mount skins are still earnable
Great video, I have played a lot of these starting with Ultima Online. As much as I enjoyed New World (3155 hours) I would lower the expectations a bit. In 25 years of playing MMO’s I never have been accused of cheating let alone suspended or banned. That perfect record ended with NW and I still have no idea why I have been banned as they do not tell you. The appeal process is abysmal. Thank you though for the great video it brought back a lot of great memories :)
My friend was banned too, it was due to an exploit being discovered that led to a ban wave on anyone who could have used it at all, they're currently going back and reviewing all the bans and unbanning people if they were innocent
@@propersod2390 I hope your friend is unbanned soon. I was banned the day before so I do not believe I was caught up in the last duping ban AGS had. One of the problems is they give such little information that you do not know why they banned you. Since I have never been suspended or banned before I do not know if that is normal though. It seems odd to conduct business this way. I just appealed again as others have said to keep trying to appeal and hopefully you will get a competent worker who removes the ban after actually checking. It took 3 minutes for them to review my 8 logs (huge files each time you log on) and 2 forums posts with information to deny my appeal with of course the canned response. I will keep trying more at this point to clear my name then anything else.
@@jonn1003 the forums aren't the place for appeals so it's understandable why they did nothing with your 2 forum posts. Just keep emailing their support team until you get lucky and the lowest level of the support team (the outsourced indians who know nothing about the game) "upgrades" you to the second level of support which actually knows what they're on about. My friend has been banned for 4 days now, he just got told by the support team to "wait"...
@@propersod2390 Thank you for the advice I will keep trying. The appeals team was told they were to tell players like your friend stuck in the duping issue that they were trying to track down all the items and gold and once done innocent players will be reinstated. That is what they were told to do per Katy the AGS dev who responded to my tweet to her. I really hope your friend is unbanned soon. By the way I add the forum posts because there I have unlimited characters to provide information supporting my appeal. As silly as it sounds you are limited to the amount of characters you can use in the appeal. Have a great day!
You say "GW2 ... the game is free-to-play up to level 80" implying there are more levels but 80 is the highest level in the game!
My favourite mmo was EQ2, amazing music and some famous voice actors including the infamous Christopher Lee. Looks aged now but still fun.
I agree, EQ2 is still one of my faves.
Classic is definitely a moment in time type of a thing from now on, and I doubt it will get better than the wrath expansion moment.
People are way too harsh on Black Desert. Yeah it doesnt have Dungeon Raids, but it got everything else. Fishing, sailing, housing, horse breeding, alchemy, clothing, cooking, guild wars, etc etc. Theres so much stuff to do in that game, and that without mentioning the amazing fast paced combat, which is the only combat in a mmorpg that never left me bored of grinding for levels.
But I admit that gear upgrading RNG is a big con if you are an avid PVP player, which isnt my case. I mostly just stick to PVE and casual PVP duels sometimes.
Honestly the only reason I dont play it anymore is because real life got me too busy to be grinding on mmorpgs everyday, but BDO is definitely one of the best for me.
Hey I just got back into MMOs and I love your content. Keep up the great work!
Welcome back and thanks!
Great content...really like your style and presentation of information. Not to get personal but your channel is S tier. =)
I appreciate that!
I was hoping MapleStory was on the list too and wanted to know your opinion about the game
I played Lineage 2 for 7 years and I loved it. The old L2 C4/Interlude/Kamael was my favourite. It was not the best mmo with lot of content but I really miss the Raids and Sieges, which had tons of players. I loved the grinding, pvps while farming and the guild members.
Aiight... A very good video, I mean ones like it have been done before, but this one is >the most recent< that I have seen and it also turned out being worthy of being seen (if that makes any sense)
Also the more time progresses, the harder this kind of videos are becoming to make, games change, game age, new games arrive, they have multiple multiple criteria to evaluate and yet you've done Great job of it.
I am gonna give myself as an example... I am BDO biased person as BDO main and sort of only game player (now I have limited time because work) (But out of my shameful personal story comes out... "it`s for a first time on 34", so I have had my share of "free" time and thus mmo and games experience). I also have EvE installed (with never been above Alpha account max in it), LoL ... Because come on LoL... and Game I never see even if it is super legit mmorgp FPS/RPG 3D space craft simulator - Star Conflict Online... It`s like 3rd Person, no humanoid aspect, no exploration (meaningless non combat one) and no trading (outside of like traditional Item exchange via currencies amongst players stuff, but the paid one thou nvm) Star Citizen... yes Star Conflict and Star Citizen are >different games< Star Citizen is fully operational game, with completely up to date graphics and physical engine, updated content, player base... I don`t understand why it`s never put in MMORPG reviews/comparisons.
But back to what I were saying... so yes... Me as BDO player you can never convince me ESO or Guild Wars 2 have any sort of worth beyond what BDO have... in fact they are times down. The other two games in the A tear I straight up do not care to remember exist (I am sorry it`s probably my bad and too harsh of a treatment for possibly not horrible games) and FF14 and WoW I will not comment either... But... I actually am willing to accept your view point on ranking the way you put things... it`s just correct in the overall sense, while my own personal opinion is just my own personal opinion and most likely everyone will completely ignore it as if it is New World and just go with what you've said so it`s practically meaningless for me to have it... my different than yours opinion, yet I do and I also decided to share it just in case.
Outside of that once again... I have very in dept observations on almost all those mmorpgs you have listed, played some of them and played some others that are not on this list... Like Silk Road online, Perfect World, Rappelz... and overall outside of me being BDO biased I have nothing else to say (Also if you think I have dumped tons of money in it for the past few years I have been playing it... no... Am I competitive to most of those that did... no, am I having a bad time because of that ~not really... maybe not as good of a time as them, but still I cannot imagine having it better in >Any Other Game
If you are not aware, they are redoing the questline for New world with the newest expansion. Here in the last few weeks the player base went from 15k to like 50k. From what i played on PTR, Brimstone sands is going to completely revamp this game. Its going to great.
still the same problems. less skills per weapon use at once compared to gw2 which is 10 years older. side quests havent changed at all. villages (not towns) are still copy & paste assets in every region
Also there's no gear sink so crafting is meaningless so new world is probably only enjoyable for soyboy pve players
Copium is a helluva drug.
@@liggnustv What on earth is soyboy? As a lady, I’m curious.
I love both FF14 and WoW, been playing them for years, but the WoW Token alone is the reason this game should not be S tier.
Maybe I'm just not cut out for MMO's.... ESO is my only true MMO that I sank time into. But it doesn't hold my attention for long.
When WoW Classic launched I considered it assuming all of the original buffs and stats were put back in place. Then I found out the undead spirit buff did not exist and was not in play so I noped out. That nerf on my undead mana-battery priest in Wrath was the beginning of the end for my enjoyment of WoW. That minor patch was the last time I ever played my undead priest because I built it solely on spirit gear vs traditional healing gear and had been doing so since my guild was running Kara in BC. Pair that nerf with the direction Cata was going and I decided not to re-up my sub.
Glad I did that though because it gave me opportunity and time to try out several other MMO's on this list and some other games that I missed because I was so immersed in WoW.
GW2 monetization is not bad at all. I have 2,000+ hours in the game and I don’t spend any real money on the cash shop. I earn enough gold to convert to buy many things in the gem store. Also, you cannot ding GW2 for monetizing their cash shop since that’s their only way to make any money. It’s more than fair to the player base. Comparing FF14 to having free mount skins is totally missing the mark. FF14 has a sub fee and GW2 doesn’t. GW2 is easily top S tier.
Poor Everquest 2 didn't even make the list! Was really good 10-15 years ago but it's current state isn't great.
I honestly just forgot about it. I even played that one at launch ha! I'll be sure to include it next time :)
When taking monetization into consideration you need to take into consideration if the game is free to play or not, of course most subscription based MMOs will not have pay to win because it's obvious, they have a steady amount of cash flow due to the subscription based stuff or if they have a one time buy thing. Obviously an MMO that is free will have pay to win.
I played WoW for 14 years. I tried to play classic and I realized how much easier the game has gotten over the years. I stopped because I felt like I had to relearn everything and just did not have the heart to put in all that time...AGAIN lol
I agree with most of it. But I did play till end game in about 80% of those games. LOTRO is light years better than most of them. You really should try it. Putting it below New World, Albion, BDO, or even Lost Ark (I maxxed out my account in Lost Ark, LOTRO still better), is for me one of the biggest joked I seen on youtube. The amount of content you have in LOTRO is insane. You can put most hours there than in WoW and FF14 combined and still have things to do (and again, I been hardcore raider in both WoW and WoW classic and have a raiding group in FF14. Yea, I have no life).
Is it pay to win or does it have any subscription? . I tried most of the games he mentioned but didn't really find my one yet, so wanna try LOTRO if it's not p2w or have sub
@@lavenderlovee Well, it's not really p2w. Shop is mostly cosmetic, but it does have some "quality of life" things, like xp boosts etc (not that you need them, you out level the zones pretty fast without them, as they have insane amount of content to do at every level).
Game is free to play, but there is a VIP system. VIP system is not needed (I know people that play without it just fine) but it does make the game so much better.
I main Neverwinter, tried to change for GW2, but I failed at that, I find Neverwinter more fun, more compelling with better combat and visuals. Even with some questionable choices in monetization, specially Coal wards, the wards of shame.
The monetization is so slimy and in-your-face persistent that it just murders the game's better qualities. If it hadn't been so gross and had otherwise made a few tweaks to the larger model, it could've reached top-tier competitor.
@@Dereliction2 To be honest i find 90% of the monetization super fine. My total problem is with the coal wards, they are terrible to find in game and costs 10 dollars to buy. And are in fact a progression stop, other than that i am fine, everything in the game is atainable without too much problem, all but upgrade enchantments.
Awesome tier list! Nice walk down memory lane for sure just watching the video! Thanks for making it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think a lot of people sleep on RuneScape 3 because OSRS is what "hipster" nostalgia-addicts play. It seems like you don't have much experience with either, which is fine, but giving OSRS an A without knowing too much about it and giving RS3 a C without knowing too much about it underscores the perception problem it faces.
I would add Dark Age of Camelot to the C list as well. Also, I realized that I've played and dumped a lot of hours into MMO's over the years. Too many. I played 90% of these MMO's....
It would have been in the C list if I hadn't forgot about it when making this (as well as a few others I see in the comments now. oh well, next time!)
Lotro has a cool music system that leads to some scheduled music parties from the community. People form bands and it's a really cool part of the game and community.
Yeah Old School Runescape is a very wide ranging game. It has content that you can afk (we're talking click something and 2 and a half minutes later you come back and you're still doing it), stuff we can actively play and engage with (raids, pvp), some of the best quests in MMORPG's, and a super passionate dev team that has our best interest at heart.
The graphics are still old-looking, but there are plugins you can get to make it look like a contended for other games in the genre.
It truly has a little something for everyone and I think anyone could easily envelope themselves into it if they were OK with overhead camera orentation.
Love the list been wondering about some of these games seeing as I'm still an ESO newbie and would like another mmo rpg to try.
As an MMO veteran myself I have got to say that you are doing a good job on rating these MMOs
there is one mmorpg i played as a kid that was and still is to this very day the single best mmrorpg i have EVER played and i have been chasing that high for over a decade... Ultima Online... nobody i ever speak to knows what it is but it was the BEST mmorpg flat out no questions asked and im still sad that they took down all the official servers and its run on private servers only now
I've been chasing that same high. Could use a flagon of ale from buccaneers den.
It's worth noting that the gw2 cash shop is pure cosmetics and quality of life stuff that you do not need AND before anyone says "but you can get gold by paying real money tho" the best gear in the game is gated by character progression and actually doing the endgame (fractals, pvp and World vs World). Legendaries cost too much gold to justify 'whaling out' and they literally have the same stats as ascended gear but have the ability to swap stats out of combat and a cool cosmetic effect.
P.S: the 2nd best gear (exotic) can be obtained super easily. Each piece is a couple of silver on the auction house and they are considered endgame gear.
Edit: earning mount skins is locked behind buying the path of fire expansion but I've earned my mout skin through farming gold and exchanging them for gems
Way better than the last style video of this subject you made (which was horrible) - the wording, the phrasing, the exposition.
Great video :)
Great video, but would have loved to see everquest 2 on the list. Still very active and constantly updated
played eq2 for many many years, might not have been the best mmorpg, but my favorite mmo times were in that game with the friends that i made there
It’s actually still active?! I used to play it way back in the day
I think Asheron's Call 99' should be recognized in the same aspect as EQ, it was alongside and ground-breaking at the time. :)
Absolute miss on not including Asheron's Call. Including Everquest, Ultima Online, Runescape and other first-gen/pre-WoW MMOs that paved the way and leaving out AC is absurd.
Darktide was the best. I still remember playing at level 11 with my friend and a matty coat and knife “wooka aghh” People tricking for loot and losing gear. AC is the true veteran world of gaming.
The community is also keeping it alive with a server.
Came here to mention AC. An amazing game.
the last phase of the first shiva fight, when she clicks her fingers, absolute madness that was a game changing moment
I'm just here to mention Wildstar, Phantasy Star Online and Tabula Rasa. Currently playing World of Warcraft Dragonflight, occasionally Guild Wars 2 and Star Wars.
Thanks for this list! I've had enough of ESO, and your video is super helpful to pick something else.
free trial FFXIV or GW2 both solid choices and deserving/respecting your time.
@@miqotesoulia8620 I am looking at FFIXV, does it have PVP?
@@ano758 yes, kinda minor compared to the scope of the whole game, but i personally think its fun and a lot of players are still actively doing the pvp
@@ianmaruVoltaire thanks, a + for me for sure! next time it have a free weekend I will give it a try!
But GW2 has the absolutely best mount implementation... yet you dragged it down to A tier due to additional skins that must be bought. I consider that a wrong priority. Just my opinion...
Agreed
I have a lot of affection for Everquest because it's the game I learned to play 24 years ago aaargh and I'm 67! What I can say is that there was no question of doing anything and that the strategy was absolutely necessary! And when someone shouted “train” and came running…….Those who played it know that!
I haven't played many of these, might toss up personal opinion though:
DC universe online is...weirdly good. More of just a place to spend some extra time or mess around with the movement which is actually kinda fun. I feel like it needs just a little something more. Combat is fairly fun.
ESO: I haven't finished it. I don't really play the pvp. And it lacks real *choice* which is something that I liked in swtor. I do enjoy the combat, I like the story, it looks pretty good and has some nice character options as well as good variety on gameplay. I don't personally find the monetization that bad. I bought some of the main campaigns but none of those side missions and so it was still fun. I was a little bothered with how many quests were sold separately, wish that was all done as just one really big pack. The only real issue I see with that was a limit on character outfit being really low, and crafting can be annoying due to the limited inventory for crafting items. As a note, I am almost exclusively a solo player on that game. The main stories at least do not at all require any help and play well alone, and I love the world itself.
SWTOR: 1500 hours just on the steam version (I played through a lot on the direct version from their site before I got steam) gameplay is unimpressive but I love nearly everything else that isn't operations or credit cap being 1 mil for f2p. SO MANY outfit options even if you are f2p, good choice options with sometimes very amusing lines, love the story, the world is great though I wish there were more locations where enemies weren't constantly spawning. SO MUCH STORY. I love this game.
Side thing: I don't fully understand the hate for lootboxes unless something is only available via lootboxes. But this could be because i'm used to swtor and overwatch. In swtor they're a thing you may never even realize exists and pretty much do exactly as you'd expect, reletively cheap, give you about what they're worth but maybe slightly less, but you also potentially get something hundreds of millions of credits. And overwatch just piles lootbox after lootbox on you just for playing the game, and your chances are good to get something worthwhile, and even if you don't you can probably just get it separately anyway.
May look at these but unsure, surprising amount of mmo's just don't seem nearly as interesting to me as swtor or eso were. Or just cost way too much for me to ever care.
edit: Mortal online is so close to looking like a game I'd love...but...forced pvp with full loot loss. Yeah I just can't jive with that. It's honestly part of why I don't do minecraft multiplayer. I just really don't like losing everything. If they aren't that big of an issue to get, I can be fine. But doubt that's the case for good gear.
Also there are just SO FEW sci fi mmo's.
With Guild Wars 2 you can earn gold that you can then convert into gems which then lets you buy anything in the cash shop. No ching ching (credit card) required, so while yes it does have loot boxes, you do not have to spend real money on opening them. Same for skins. And just remember you can sell your loot boxes (Black Lion Chests) for in game gold as well so you don't have to open them.
I would have put New World on A tier, personally. Even though I didn't stick around for a long time, it was a great game for the time I played.
Im surprised you missed the ever popular snd long running Maple Story mmo. Just curious where you would put that one.
Hrmm well I wouldn't say that the game I'm about to mention would rank high on the list but if your mentioning everquest you should have mentioned Dark Age of Camelot. It was my first MMORPG and was absolutely a blast in its day.
I think it’s important to mention RS3 has a very in depth pvm system. It has long overcome the EOC launch and become really fun.
Agreed. He had a very dated take on RS3.
not only has it massively improved in the combat system and pvm content, the noncombat additions were on point, and dont get me started on the lore, the lore is so good and in depth.
@@bolo6062 its still the worse rs and not getting any better.
Why isn't WoW in C tier. Its at best nostalgia. The amount of mental gymnastics needed to imagine the game being good in 2022 is remarkable. It's a money and time waster by design. P2W and sub fee on top aswell lol. Saying WoW being better at anything in the genre is like claiming ESO has great UI, a big fat lie. WoW is where it is mainly because of when it launched and the trash competition. If it launched today it would be seen as an S tier joke. Honestly we need Ashes of Creation to save this genre. Looking forward to year 2050 when it launches.
Agree on that (and with ESO mods fixes that at least). I dont get what people smoke to still hype WoW, especially after all the Blizzard mess. You cant take that serious. I dont know if its a saviour as I am content with ESO, but I also look forward to AoC, hoping it will be great. And the plan seems to go on good, so maybe not 2050 lel. but i bet 2025 or sth
I get the feeling Riot's mmo will be really good. They already got s good world ready made for it.
Some of the p2w games you mention end up costing a lot less buying all the p2w items you would want than paying the subscription for ff14.
Archage is such a cool game, but in order to get anywhere in it you literally have to make it your second job. The time commitment required is staggering.
Archage I play 18 hours a day it's amazing it's real life
I always wonder why Dark age of Camelot never makes any of these lists. It had a decent player base. Lots of rvr pvp. Cool looking graphics for the time.
DAoC was golden. EQ2 also wasn't on the list for some reason. Still... interesting to see where the included MMOs are at.
Guild Wars 2 is most definitely S tier
I'm surprised EverQuest was so low. The game was so addicting people killes themselves and lots of hacking occurred. Some dude was tricked by other players, gave his address and they robbed him. It was in the news. I would love to watch a movie about this. People couldn't stop playing. Classic gambling and video games in one. Maybe it deserves to be at the bottom but it was one of the most powerful of all
ty for the list, currently playing XIV, quit Lost Ark and thinking of trying out either New World or GW2. I can't decide yet.
This list seems pretty legit. I actually had a lot of fun playing FF11 again last year. That NPC trust system allowed me to explore pretty much all of the old stomping grounds with a balanced party of different NPC characters. And what was really cool is that there were a variety of different characters that filled each role (tank, healer, support, dps) so you could pick and choose those to whom you may have liked more, or whose kit was better suited for whatever you were going to do.
Black Desert online has great group content insane world bosses that take 100-300 players to defeat. The downside is pay to win cash shop and the worst quest line ever. The combat is the best I’ve ever played
@GG black desert you can buy clothing boxes and sell for silver and buy weapons and armor wtf are you talking about. You come here all aggressive spouting nonsense
Black Desert best looking mmo and the best combat in its action combat!!
The fact OSRS isn’t S tier when it quite literally ticks the boxes of no monetisation compared to almost any other mmo is crazy to me. Sure the graphics can turn you off, but it seems to me that you clearly haven’t actually played the game.
In terms of grinding gear and upgrades for pve the game is in a state where the devs try to keep old content alive and make every piece you grind feel worth it. I could come back 1 year later and I’d only miss the new additional items, but most of my gear is still either bis or next under bis and it won’t feel like I’ve lost any progress. Any sort of grind on OSRS feels worth it and again no p2w and you can sub through in-game currency (I haven’t paid for my sub since playing for 3 months). Mechanically the game also does also have an insanely high skill ceiling imo in both pve and especially pvp.
All in all, it’s insane how spoilt osrs players are really when you comapre it to all other mmos with mtx, battlepass, expansion costs, necessary dailes devalued progress, and the list probably continues.