I appreciate speeding up the crawling video an talk over the video explaining the drive. Makes your videos a pleasure to watch. Keep up the great videos.
Wow first location looks like a ton of fun! Love the comparison videos like Matt's from SBG comparison but in a different environment. And the end verdict was the same... Vanquish did amazing. Plus i like the technical comparison of the weights and the flex ramp is cool
Really good information. And even though the Red Cat is at the bottom of the heap. I would still say it's got value for the money especially for the beginner.
Awesome just stepped in from work 5:53 PM Friday yay it’s Friday, love those rims on the red cat. Love my Vanquish truck I wouldn’t mind another one but here watching always appreciate 👍👍😎
Wow what a awesome place love it, sure wouldn’t mind doing the testing here myself, but I live in Manchester Michigan sure appreciate you sharing this love it. This is the beauty of this awesome hobby 👍👍😎
Ive done a few mods to my VRD but not many….using a 3s 850mah battery up front sitting over the steering servo….amazing performance and one of my best crawlers ……I have built a new Power Hobby LCG carbon chassis recently …13.5” whl base….Vanquish 3 gear trans and a fusion se motor….so far it’s performing as good or better than the VRD but need more real world testing. ….. Imo a Power Hobby Carbon chassis would be a good one to test on your channel….unique design that seems to work well.
I really dig the rims on the blue redcat truck .. are they boom racing? They offered a style of rim like that and often thought they'd look killer on a phoenix
Right where you first started on The course , You got two round holes there for the eye sockets close together, and a dimple where the nose would be and it’s beak you see it it’s awesome 👍👍😎
I think that the all in $ after upgrades is also an important compression. sometimes a cheap rtr that is heavily upgraded is more expensive than the higher priced rtr that performs equal or eve better with very minimal upgrades and still cheaper. I hope to see some comparisons on this. The biggest difference between all these is the geometry but that is hard to nail because of so much diversity between rigs (weight distribution, tires, where center of gravity actually is). This is the closest comparison I've seen. thanks for the vid.
Good question. I have my VRD Carbon kit waiting on my table and I swapped rails of the RTR from aluminum to carbon to see if it makes any difference. Weight is a few grams apart an no difference at all in performance. I'll swap it back on the next test.
Vanquish not stock you have the carbon frame rails but I don’t that would change much but I pictured it with a Fusion in it & man that thing would really be great. Seems like wheelbase also makes a difference.
Thanks for the videos. The spot by the ocean looked amazing. Just curious why you didnt install the 20% OD on the Redcat or remove the rear inner srings? It seems that most guys are doing that if they arent trail running them.
I actually thought I had overdrive installed as I haven't touched that rig since I modded it a couple months ago. I'll make sure to do that on the next test.
I find it funny that the red cat guys are so hurt by this review. The accent is by far the best 299 you could spend on a crawler, super impressive for the money but it’s not the be all end all of the crawler world.
Red cat has been making quality crawlers for a while but the prices are creeping up and the last time I had to deal with their customer service was a nightmare. Considering how many defective trucks they are shipping out these days I believe people are gonna have the same experience I've had and it's a shame because the people designing these trucks are knocking it out of the park not just the crawlers they make great bashers too and drift cars and everything else but I cannot stress this enough they do not appreciate their customers so give them your money if you like. it's undeniable they make good vehicles but you are running a risk in the event you have problems. they treated me so poorly after the money I spent with them I'm dedicated to educating people about their lack of customer service until it changes Hey RC you've raised your prices you've got people that support your product and you have good products now go hire some customer service people that care about something other than taking money.
Great comparison and dollar for dollar, I think the VRD Stance is the one to beat. My buddy swears by his Ascent though, and seeing it run, I figured he wasn't far off the mark in thinking it could be a competent crawler with a minimal investment in upgrades. Apparently, my other buddies think I'm a pretty funny guy and didn't hesitate to call bullshit on me, lol. So, with us agreeing on a $300 USD budget, my buddy agreed to hand over his Ascent and, with his money and truck in hand, I set out to prove the nay-sayers wrong, lol! I started with the DSM Rock Warrior chassis ($137) that came out shortly after the Ascent was released. I mounted up the stock shocks but first, I removed the inner springs and swapped out the stock external springs with the Dlux Fab soft versions ($5), all around. I'm using the stock servo and axles with the 20% underdrive/overdrive in the transfer case (included). The motor/esc is a Fusion SE, 1800kv combo ($70). Tires are Interco Swampers, the RC4WD IROK versions ($50) with SL3D printed inserts ($50), mounted on cheap Amazon beadlocks ($40). So, in total, about $350 USD. Really though, new wheels/tires/inserts are a cost that pretty much everyone incurs, which put me back at approx $210! We dubbed the new truck the Ascent Pro and the upgrades have really elevated its perfotmance - low cg with a lot more flex, a ton more traction, great low speed control! It easily matches the performance of the stock VRD Stance and surpasses it in most situations. My buddy is elated and it has become his go to rig. If it were me, what would I do? Probably pick up the Vanquish, just so much going for it. In the end you're going to spend several hundred more than on the Ascent but I think the VRD Stance just makes a lot more sense 🤷🏻♂️
Nice comparison to show how an RTR versus a modified RTR and a custom build go head to head. But the driver has a lot to do with performance. I do have a couple builds of some GSpeeds I have built in the past, in my channel. Hopefully, you can check them out, slowly getting the hang of YT editing. 👍
So the VRD and the G-Speed have overdrive but you said you haven’t installed it in the RedCat. Why do a comparison video if they are not set up as close as possible?
We'll do that in round 2. Identical tires and all. On the original footage at Linda Vista (2nd venue) all were done with zero overdrive, and it did very well. Didn't want to change it mid-test
Wow I’m watching the power wagon well all three rigs, where are your climbing up there I’m looking I can see the skull of a bald eagle right where you were climbing up you got the eyes and the nose it looks like the beak
Very nice...My custom III build,in my pic,I get almost 5.5 articulation.. 2300 pro/3s 50kg servo,,radiolink rgs4,,rc4wd swampers,brass al over. Weight=TANK
I still have a losi night crawler. Extended hubs, wheel weights and better steering servo. And it smokes all my buddies redcats. They are Amazed/jelous by how great it is. Why did they ever discontinue it. Same with the ecx temper. I know it had some issues. So fix them and make a gen 3 already damnn.
Yes, I have the kit as well, and I swapped out the rails to see if they would make a difference. Did not make a difference at all! I will put the alloy rails back in on the next test.
Sweet Jesus there some folks got there panties in there cracks cos the Red Cat didn't mop the floor with these other Rigs. As far as a good budget Rig the Red Cat is probably King, add some good tires, and $50 worth of brass a 1080 and $20 Homes Hobbies 550 Can Motor and you will have a cool little Trail Truck/Crawler. Spend some money on the Vanquish and or G-Speed and you will have a Rig you can take to a Comp and whip some ass. Hell I don't even own any Vanquish products, but I do have 3 Ascents and the rest of my Rigs are all Axial so i aint a Vanquish nut hugger. This man is giving his OPINION!!!! there are tons of Channels you can go to and they will be hugging the nuts of Red Cat. Hell like i have said before, I think Traxxas gets all the luv on this Channel but I damn sure aint complaining whenever he talks up the Traxxas, as you can tell I absolutely despise Traxxas because of how lawsuits happy they are. I sold every one of my Traxxas Rigs and bought my family the Ascents. What this Channel has is a different view on all the cool new Crawlers and Trail Trucks, yeah I get sick of hearing about the TRX4 but I do enjoy the other uploads because I get to see them in his environment which is totally different than my environment.
I was under the impression that the only difference is carbon vs stamped rails as far as geometry goes is the material it’s made out of, no other changes
There was no difference when I swapped the carbon rails on instead of alloy. It’s about a 10!gram difference. But I’ll put the alloy back on in the next test
@@RCReviewChannel Dont care personally if you leave it on the truck. Its the fact that people will watch this and when you NEVER mention the carbon upgrade guys will think it came stock that way.
I mean big tires make a difference when it comes to holes and boulders…throw some 2.2 ibex or something on those rigs and see which one does those lines the best…the testing at your place is better for comparing them Not that the trip to the ocean wasn’t great. Not to circle back but I think tire size bigger better until maybe you get to steeps and side hills, where the vrd did lol a little closer to the edge on the sidehill
It’s a common option. Folks usually use shocks that are 10mm shorter to keep chassis height identical. I hear the CG of the VRD portal is lower than the axial pro straight axle
@@RCReviewChannelI have both the VRD carbon and axial pro…. The pro is definitely lower than the VRD …but the VRD performs as good and better in many scenarios of the pro…not many benefits of the pro vs VRD
I see you had an audience for a bit I have people ask me basic questions but if they were to here how much we invest in these little toys but we know these are not necessary toys it’s a hobby with a lot of technology that goes into them so $400/$500 prices are normal.
To me ascent wins there's no competition here. Its so cheap and reliable and durable. It's not even a challenge. The other rigs are 10x the price tag. But dont get me wrong i will get that vanquish just because im that kinda of ..... Person
The Vanquish and the Redcat in the test cost the same at $500. That’s because the wheels/tires, esc of the Redcat needed to be upgraded. The performance was not close with the Vanquish far ahead
It’s really funny how whenever anyone including you guys at Rc review run the Redcat Ascent with other crawlers nobody runs brass anywhere at all. It’s obvious that people like you are afraid of the Ascent out performing rigs that cost 3 and 4 times as much. We can’t trust your review cause it’s already trying to be biased toward the higher end crawlers. I’ve already seen it out perform all of those with good tires and a little weight. How about you guys be real from now on. If what I say hurts your feelings I don’t care…grow up
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I appreciate speeding up the crawling video an talk over the video explaining the drive. Makes your videos a pleasure to watch. Keep up the great videos.
that terrain is incredible! thanks for the comparison 👍
Love the classic shoot outs and comparison
Wow first location looks like a ton of fun! Love the comparison videos like Matt's from SBG comparison but in a different environment. And the end verdict was the same... Vanquish did amazing. Plus i like the technical comparison of the weights and the flex ramp is cool
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah. I learned a lot myself!
Really good information. And even though the Red Cat is at the bottom of the heap. I would still say it's got value for the money especially for the beginner.
Exactly. If it was $500, not good but at $299, a decent option for some.
Awesome just stepped in from work 5:53 PM Friday yay it’s Friday, love those rims on the red cat. Love my Vanquish truck I wouldn’t mind another one but here watching always appreciate 👍👍😎
Love the Stance. They are amazing out of the box. I have put an fusion pro in mine and a reefs 422 HD. Amazing rig.
That's the setup right there!
Wow what a awesome place love it, sure wouldn’t mind doing the testing here myself, but I live in Manchester Michigan sure appreciate you sharing this love it. This is the beauty of this awesome hobby 👍👍😎
Awesome rock formation that I haven't seen before :)
Ive done a few mods to my VRD but not many….using a 3s 850mah battery up front sitting over the steering servo….amazing performance and one of my best crawlers ……I have built a new Power Hobby LCG carbon chassis recently …13.5” whl base….Vanquish 3 gear trans and a fusion se motor….so far it’s performing as good or better than the VRD but need more real world testing. …..
Imo a Power Hobby Carbon chassis would be a good one to test on your channel….unique design that seems to work well.
Again great video. I have been doing Bean Hollow with my Axial Capra and been loving it. Watch out for the wave sneaking up on you.
Rrrrrrright? Never turn your back on the water they say. But kinda have to focus on crawling :)
I really dig the rims on the blue redcat truck .. are they boom racing? They offered a style of rim like that and often thought they'd look killer on a phoenix
Great Footage , VRD !!!
Thanks 👍. I'm happy it all came out since that location is a long drive for me.
Great video Frances, man I may have to get me a vanquish, it's very Impressive for an rtr...
Really good and then it has so much upside potential
Right where you first started on The course , You got two round holes there for the eye sockets close together, and a dimple where the nose would be and it’s beak you see it it’s awesome 👍👍😎
I think that the all in $ after upgrades is also an important compression. sometimes a cheap rtr that is heavily upgraded is more expensive than the higher priced rtr that performs equal or eve better with very minimal upgrades and still cheaper. I hope to see some comparisons on this.
The biggest difference between all these is the geometry but that is hard to nail because of so much diversity between rigs (weight distribution, tires, where center of gravity actually is).
This is the closest comparison I've seen. thanks for the vid.
This just gave me an idea watching that Stance, I'm going to try 2.2's on my straight axle SCX10 pro and see how much better/worse it crawls!?
Like you, I have a last generation G-Speed. I LOVE it! But man that Vanquish had the edge on this comparison.....
Hope you're good brother!
HUGH
Thanks buddy. Time to tune that G-speed!
Rear link riser on the ascent and some good spring mods would perform equally
will improve it i bet. Equally is a bit of a leap
Since when does the box stock RTR VRD stance come with a carbon chassis
That’s what I was thinking lol.
Good question. I have my VRD Carbon kit waiting on my table and I swapped rails of the RTR from aluminum to carbon to see if it makes any difference.
Weight is a few grams apart an no difference at all in performance. I'll swap it back on the next test.
Vanquish not stock you have the carbon frame rails but I don’t that would change much but I pictured it with a Fusion in it & man that thing would really be great. Seems like wheelbase also makes a difference.
Thanks for the videos. The spot by the ocean looked amazing. Just curious why you didnt install the 20% OD on the Redcat or remove the rear inner srings? It seems that most guys are doing that if they arent trail running them.
I actually thought I had overdrive installed as I haven't touched that rig since I modded it a couple months ago. I'll make sure to do that on the next test.
Why does your Stance RTR have carbon rails?
Yeah I like it too nice driving the side hill
I find it funny that the red cat guys are so hurt by this review. The accent is by far the best 299 you could spend on a crawler, super impressive for the money but it’s not the be all end all of the crawler world.
Red cat has been making quality crawlers for a while but the prices are creeping up and the last time I had to deal with their customer service was a nightmare.
Considering how many defective trucks they are shipping out these days I believe people are gonna have the same experience I've had and it's a shame because the people designing these trucks are knocking it out of the park
not just the crawlers they make great bashers too and drift cars and everything else but I cannot stress this enough they do not appreciate their customers so give them your money if you like. it's undeniable they make good vehicles but you are running a risk in the event you have problems.
they treated me so poorly after the money I spent with them I'm dedicated to educating people about their lack of customer service until it changes
Hey RC you've raised your prices you've got people that support your product and you have good products now go hire some customer service people that care about something other than taking money.
The vrd rtr is just too good.
Might have been nice to see the Vanquish wheels and tires used on all three trucks for comparison. They do give more clearance.
Great comparison and dollar for dollar, I think the VRD Stance is the one to beat. My buddy swears by his Ascent though, and seeing it run, I figured he wasn't far off the mark in thinking it could be a competent crawler with a minimal investment in upgrades. Apparently, my other buddies think I'm a pretty funny guy and didn't hesitate to call bullshit on me, lol. So, with us agreeing on a $300 USD budget, my buddy agreed to hand over his Ascent and, with his money and truck in hand, I set out to prove the nay-sayers wrong, lol! I started with the DSM Rock Warrior chassis ($137) that came out shortly after the Ascent was released. I mounted up the stock shocks but first, I removed the inner springs and swapped out the stock external springs with the Dlux Fab soft versions ($5), all around. I'm using the stock servo and axles with the 20% underdrive/overdrive in the transfer case (included). The motor/esc is a Fusion SE, 1800kv combo ($70). Tires are Interco Swampers, the RC4WD IROK versions ($50) with SL3D printed inserts ($50), mounted on cheap Amazon beadlocks ($40). So, in total, about $350 USD. Really though, new wheels/tires/inserts are a cost that pretty much everyone incurs, which put me back at approx $210! We dubbed the new truck the Ascent Pro and the upgrades have really elevated its perfotmance - low cg with a lot more flex, a ton more traction, great low speed control! It easily matches the performance of the stock VRD Stance and surpasses it in most situations. My buddy is elated and it has become his go to rig. If it were me, what would I do? Probably pick up the Vanquish, just so much going for it. In the end you're going to spend several hundred more than on the Ascent but I think the VRD Stance just makes a lot more sense 🤷🏻♂️
Wow, great tips in your comment. Thank you.
I’m torn between the stance and the carbon, do you think 39% over drive is too much?
I don't think people think about it enough when it comes to like reposition and the stability of when you're standing straight up and down
what does that mean, exactly?
Put the bigger tires from the vrd on the other two and retest
On the next test, they’ll all have Hyrax. I have a lot of those
Yeah the VRD gets a big helping hand from larger tires.
@@bjrnmagnusson5351exactly this, equal test equal everything tire wise that's just my opinion
Nice comparison to show how an RTR versus a modified RTR and a custom build go head to head. But the driver has a lot to do with performance.
I do have a couple builds of some GSpeeds I have built in the past, in my channel. Hopefully, you can check them out, slowly getting the hang of YT editing. 👍
You really need to put the 20% underdrive into the redcat and try it again. Absolutely makes a big difference
So the VRD and the G-Speed have overdrive but you said you haven’t installed it in the RedCat. Why do a comparison video if they are not set up as close as possible?
We'll do that in round 2. Identical tires and all. On the original footage at Linda Vista (2nd venue) all were done with zero overdrive, and it did very well. Didn't want to change it mid-test
As always appreciate you sure I’ll catch you on the next one till then peace and chicken grease 😁👍👍😎
Thanks for sharing
Meed yo remove the inner springs on the redcat if you haven't already they really limit flex.
The tires you put on the red cat look smaller than stock
I think the wheel is a little wider
Put the 5.0 vanquish tires on the Ascent. That would give the extra belly clearance that the Stance has
Wow I’m watching the power wagon well all three rigs, where are your climbing up there I’m looking I can see the skull of a bald eagle right where you were climbing up you got the eyes and the nose it looks like the beak
Very nice...My custom III build,in my pic,I get almost 5.5 articulation..
2300 pro/3s 50kg servo,,radiolink rgs4,,rc4wd swampers,brass al over.
Weight=TANK
I still have a losi night crawler. Extended hubs, wheel weights and better steering servo. And it smokes all my buddies redcats.
They are Amazed/jelous by how great it is. Why did they ever discontinue it.
Same with the ecx temper. I know it had some issues. So fix them and make a gen 3 already damnn.
Looks like the VRD has carbon chassis rails.
Yes, I have the kit as well, and I swapped out the rails to see if they would make a difference. Did not make a difference at all! I will put the alloy rails back in on the next test.
Very nice video.... how much $$$ is in the G Speed?? The Vanquish is one heck of a crawler.
I would say $800
That makes the VP rig one heck of a deal @@RCReviewChannel
That’s funny cause in other videos he says his g-speed cost over a 1,000$ to build. Now it’s only an 800$ build?
Sweet Jesus there some folks got there panties in there cracks cos the Red Cat didn't mop the floor with these other Rigs.
As far as a good budget Rig the Red Cat is probably King, add some good tires, and $50 worth of brass a 1080 and $20 Homes Hobbies 550 Can Motor and you will have a cool little Trail Truck/Crawler. Spend some money on the Vanquish and or G-Speed and you will have a Rig you can take to a Comp and whip some ass.
Hell I don't even own any Vanquish products, but I do have 3 Ascents and the rest of my Rigs are all Axial so i aint a Vanquish nut hugger. This man is giving his OPINION!!!! there are tons of Channels you can go to and they will be hugging the nuts of Red Cat. Hell like i have said before, I think Traxxas gets all the luv on this Channel but I damn sure aint complaining whenever he talks up the Traxxas, as you can tell I absolutely despise Traxxas because of how lawsuits happy they are. I sold every one of my Traxxas Rigs and bought my family the Ascents. What this Channel has is a different view on all the cool new Crawlers and Trail Trucks, yeah I get sick of hearing about the TRX4 but I do enjoy the other uploads because I get to see them in his environment which is totally different than my environment.
Axial pro?
Next test! I noticed they have portals for that now too
VP Stance is not "stock" with that carbon chassis! really move the CG down compared to the stock rails!!
I was under the impression that the only difference is carbon vs stamped rails as far as geometry goes is the material it’s made out of, no other changes
@@c05sporty Any king of weight loss above the CG will lower that CG down. in this case that is what the carbon rails do. It makes a difference.
There was no difference when I swapped the carbon rails on instead of alloy. It’s about a 10!gram difference.
But I’ll put the alloy back on in the next test
@@RCReviewChannel Dont care personally if you leave it on the truck. Its the fact that people will watch this and when you NEVER mention the carbon upgrade guys will think it came stock that way.
Vanquish for the win period
I mean big tires make a difference when it comes to holes and boulders…throw some 2.2 ibex or something on those rigs and see which one does those lines the best…the testing at your place is better for comparing them
Not that the trip to the ocean wasn’t great.
Not to circle back but I think tire size bigger better until maybe you get to steeps and side hills, where the vrd did lol a little closer to the edge on the sidehill
We'll put identical tires on the next test. The Redcat does need a few more mods like shock position, negative spring removal, etc.
For some reason I imagine you wearing the whole sponsored rider outfit gear when road biking, little mirror visor on your helmet..
I wish! I only mountain bike now. Casual clothes too ready for some jumpin and shreddin
Looks like the Stance had the best overall performance.
So, so true.
I think if the Redcat had overdrive the order would be reversed.
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Woot woot.
Lot of hurt feeling in these comments
Portals are not LCG.
It’s a common option. Folks usually use shocks that are 10mm shorter to keep chassis height identical.
I hear the CG of the VRD portal is lower than the axial pro straight axle
Then why do Sporty/LCG/Cheater rigs run Capra axles?
@@RCReviewChannelI have both the VRD carbon and axial pro….
The pro is definitely lower than the VRD …but the VRD performs as good and better in many scenarios of the pro…not many benefits of the pro vs VRD
I see you had an audience for a bit I have people ask me basic questions but if they were to here how much we invest in these little toys but we know these are not necessary toys it’s a hobby with a lot of technology that goes into them so $400/$500 prices are normal.
You should check out my buddy he's got this wicked cool buggy more like a sporty I'd say Prophet-Designs
To me ascent wins there's no competition here. Its so cheap and reliable and durable. It's not even a challenge. The other rigs are 10x the price tag. But dont get me wrong i will get that vanquish just because im that kinda of ..... Person
The Vanquish and the Redcat in the test cost the same at $500. That’s because the wheels/tires, esc of the Redcat needed to be upgraded. The performance was not close with the Vanquish far ahead
It’s really funny how whenever anyone including you guys at Rc review run the Redcat Ascent with other crawlers nobody runs brass anywhere at all. It’s obvious that people like you are afraid of the Ascent out performing rigs that cost 3 and 4 times as much. We can’t trust your review cause it’s already trying to be biased toward the higher end crawlers. I’ve already seen it out perform all of those with good tires and a little weight. How about you guys be real from now on. If what I say hurts your feelings I don’t care…grow up
The wheels have heavy brass rings
Seems like you’re the one that got hurt feelings. 🤷🏻♂️
My modded ascent would eat all 3 of these for breakfast.
@@Outdoorsguy1980 That’s cool.
What was done to the accent to beat these other two? Was it stock for stock? And a modded vrd would probably eat your accent.
Not impressed
With what, the video, the trucks or your comment?
Meh
Who are you ..Shania twain.. 😂
@@DEENRCThat don’t impress him much..
Tire size matters
Size matterz