This was fantastic! Thank you for the in-depth discussion and explanation. So nice to see realistic expectations and not just all out fanbois or reviewers that make their living on overly positive reviews. I still want one, but only a kit is viable.
Excellent descriptive video explanation on these vehicles. With the " economical " sintered gears Phoenix all the way . I was considering another , but not now , THANK YOU .
@@randyb4105 thanks for watching! Unfortunately the market wants cheap and good even though that’s not how it works… You’ll enjoy any one of them, and now that the new h10 kit is available you can buy all 3 trucks with good quality parts in the form of a kit! 🍻🍻
Enjoyed your video. Just got the H10 Optic. I did get a laugh out of your discretion of King of the Hammer Ultra 4 racing. Got a few details wrong, but you’re right in that the Optic is an Ultra 4 type buggy.
@@clintcunliffe6729 thanks for the feedback! I’ve never been to koh despite many years of wanting to go. I apologize for some wrong details. I hope you enjoy your new buggy!! 🍻🍻
@@kirkul1 right out of the box they’re all ready to hit the trail. All of them “in rtr form” have water resistant electronics except maybe the receiver. Nothing will get damaged mechanically though. Good to see young ones enjoying the hobby!! 🍻🍻
@@the-ab-outdoors awesome, went for trail ride yesterday with my boys, now i have to get 2 more stance because i got 3 kids lol, plus me lol, thanks a lot for the info, we love your channel, greeting from ecuador
Thanks for this clear comparison !! For mix used trail/ crawling in Rocky terrain, i conclued that phœnix portal is probably the best option. Isn t it ?
@@thomasbellanger2756 the Phoenix or the Fordyce are great for trails. I’d personally go with the Phoenix for the machines diffs. However the Stance and H10 would also probably work. You won’t be disappointed with any of them! 🍻🍻
I’m a sucker for portal axles. My Stance is the most capable for climbing steep technical rocky terrain. The Phoenix is fun cause it has the option to change the overdrive and has dig and is a great trail runner. My H10 handles rocks great, trail great, and powers out of sticky situations like a U4 race buggy. Love anything Vanquish comes up with.
@@the-ab-outdoors I like it a lot more as a mullet! Most of the driving I do is on rock piles in my yard, so having the extra clearance in the rear is really helpful. And I was able to get it down to around 20% overdrive, which helps power up the sand hills on some of the local trails. It probably hurts the center of gravity, so I’m considering cutting out some non essential parts of the cage to compensate that.
@@ShoddyRC that's awesome!! I agree the portal rear is almost a requirement for most RC crawlers. The leaning of the cage and non needed parts is something we've yet to tackle! 🍻🍻
I just got an Optic….im gonna build it to crawl ….even with just wheels/tires swap indicates good results…probably gonna install a Fusion pro eventually but want to see how the brushed set up does first. I have just about every other vanquish rig and my VRD and Phoenix are highly built…my Pro and Ultra are mostly stock with Fusion SE motors…..the Optic to me is inline with the axial bomber , Capra and maybe Ryft all rolled into one…just not as fast as the Ryft.
Vanquish has really good stuff! We hope your Optic turns out exactly how you want it :)!! We agree the bomber, and wraith would be best comparisons in our minds, but the Capra is close too!! 🍻🍻
@the-ab-outdoors i have a 2000 classic 4.0 that I restored/built 12 years ago. I just finished restoring it a second time last month. Shocks, brakes, ac system, axles/pumpkins, timing chain, injectors, all seals, interior and exterior lights. Repainted her myself 3 years ago. Not a ding on her and she runs like new. I could afford a new car but I have a strange attachment to this xj. I just ordered the h10 optic kit, btw!
@@christophermears7738 good callout! I think I was referring to the first pheonix before the falken came out, but it’s hard telling lol I can be all over the place sometimes 😂😂🍻🍻
@the-ab-outdoors yeah it's all good man.. but yeah the first truck that came out was the Phoenix portal kit then the straight axle kit came then the straight axle RTR and then finally the Franklin RTR .
Your right. I seen the Optic released and waited... sure enough, Boom, shitty diffs.. no thanks. I'm so glad I waited and bought the VRD kit and built and older Toyota build. Next will be either the Fordyce for trail.. or nothing. Wait for the next release. Never buy stuff right off the hop.. Wait to see what's what. Pros and Cons.
With Vanquish it's a crap shoot, typically their stuff is creme of the crop. However they have to eat too, and the market leans towards RTR trucks. Most people just want to buy something they can tinker with and upgrade which is why the sintered stuff is in there (and cost savings on their part obviously lol). We're purchasing a Fordyce real soon as well! 🍻🍻
The H10 has the same diffs that are in the Stance. People are putting in brushless systems and driving it like a bouncer expecting it to not break 🤦🏼. It was built and designed to run as is. If you upgrade then you need to expect to upgrade more than just the motor. I’m not sure why that’s so difficult to understand.
Thank you for the feedback! It's a little crazy to expect people to spend $235 dollars additionally on a brand new truck to upgrade all the sintered gearing to machined. That turns a $500 truck into: - truck - $500 - gearing - $235 - motor (fusion se) - $80 - wheels (vanquish) - $180 - tires (generic) - $60 - your receiver - $40 Total - $1095 - before tax & shipping Just the diff replacements for a single axle are $55 pre tax & shipping. So yes we would expect that we should be able to put a cheap fusion se into this truck and not immediately break the rear diff driving it. Another interesting point is people are breaking them with the bone stock systems in it, what is the reason for this? Again as stated in the video the main reason for the complaints are due to the history of the Vanquish name, and how this specific product doesn't necessarily follow all that came before it. 🍻🍻
The only thing you would need to replace are the diff’s. I have a castle mamba/2850 slate in my 410 rtr(sintered gears) and fusion pro in my Stance(sintered gears). Haven’t had any issues. It comes down to driving style. It even says that it’s a trail rig on the box. It’s not made to be a rock bouncer or racer. All of the things you listed are the owners choice to do. It’s no different than a real car. You can’t put a V8 in a car with a 4 cylinder and not expect to have to upgrade anything else. That’s the way this hobby is. The 1/24 and 1/18 works is even worse. Buy a $150 car that you know you are going to drop $350 in upgrades to it. As for people breaking stock vehicles, that’s not an uncommon thing with people that don’t know how to drive. I worked at a hobby shop for a while and people couldn’t understand that parts break. They didn’t want to hear that the vehicle wasn’t indestructible. It didn’t matter if it was a $120 scx24 or a $1500 xmaxx ultimate. They also didn’t want to hear that it was their crap driving that caused the part to break. I love my Vanquish trucks. Am I fan boy, sure, but i also love my Axial and Traxxas trucks as well. While i may disagree on the Optic, you make great videos! Thanks for the content.
I’m glad you’re open to knowing that the new vanquish buggy is not a crawler, but everybody else thinks it is
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This was fantastic! Thank you for the in-depth discussion and explanation. So nice to see realistic expectations and not just all out fanbois or reviewers that make their living on overly positive reviews. I still want one, but only a kit is viable.
Thanks for the kind words! The kit is definitely the way to go on this one! 🍻🍻
Excellent descriptive video explanation on these vehicles.
With the
" economical " sintered gears Phoenix all the way .
I was considering another , but not now ,
THANK YOU .
@@randyb4105 thanks for watching! Unfortunately the market wants cheap and good even though that’s not how it works…
You’ll enjoy any one of them, and now that the new h10 kit is available you can buy all 3 trucks with good quality parts in the form of a kit! 🍻🍻
Enjoyed your video. Just got the H10 Optic. I did get a laugh out of your discretion of King of the Hammer Ultra 4 racing. Got a few details wrong, but you’re right in that the Optic is an Ultra 4 type buggy.
@@clintcunliffe6729 thanks for the feedback! I’ve never been to koh despite many years of wanting to go. I apologize for some wrong details. I hope you enjoy your new buggy!! 🍻🍻
hi, can the stance be taken to a trail ride,? without damaging anything in the car, my son loved the car,
@@kirkul1 right out of the box they’re all ready to hit the trail. All of them “in rtr form” have water resistant electronics except maybe the receiver. Nothing will get damaged mechanically though.
Good to see young ones enjoying the hobby!! 🍻🍻
@@the-ab-outdoors awesome, went for trail ride yesterday with my boys, now i have to get 2 more stance because i got 3 kids lol, plus me lol, thanks a lot for the info, we love your channel, greeting from ecuador
Appreciate your honest take. I wondered if the Phoenix is still a good choice, it seems it is.
It's absolutely a great choice! Both version (straight and portal axles)!! 🍻🍻
Great video man. I’ll stick n love my phoenix falken edition
They're awesome trucks!! 🍻🍻
Thanks for this clear comparison !!
For mix used trail/ crawling in Rocky terrain, i conclued that phœnix portal is probably the best option. Isn t it ?
@@thomasbellanger2756 the Phoenix or the Fordyce are great for trails. I’d personally go with the Phoenix for the machines diffs.
However the Stance and H10 would also probably work.
You won’t be disappointed with any of them! 🍻🍻
@ phœnix in straight or portal Axle ?
@ portal is better for trailing, straight is a little more challenging due to being lower to the ground. 🍻🍻
Great info to know when buying one of them
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I love both my Phoenix and my stance. Thinking about building a H10 for hill killing
What axles you going to use?? 🍻🍻
I’m a sucker for portal axles. My Stance is the most capable for climbing steep technical rocky terrain. The Phoenix is fun cause it has the option to change the overdrive and has dig and is a great trail runner. My H10 handles rocks great, trail great, and powers out of sticky situations like a U4 race buggy. Love anything Vanquish comes up with.
Really great comparison! Thank you.
Glad it helped!! 🍻🍻
The optic is awesome as a mullet build. I used your video to help do it. But the cost started adding up quick when I started minimizing the overdrive.
That's a great idea! How do you like it so far? The hobby isn't cheap unfortunately 🍻🍻
@@the-ab-outdoors I like it a lot more as a mullet! Most of the driving I do is on rock piles in my yard, so having the extra clearance in the rear is really helpful. And I was able to get it down to around 20% overdrive, which helps power up the sand hills on some of the local trails. It probably hurts the center of gravity, so I’m considering cutting out some non essential parts of the cage to compensate that.
@@ShoddyRC that's awesome!! I agree the portal rear is almost a requirement for most RC crawlers. The leaning of the cage and non needed parts is something we've yet to tackle! 🍻🍻
I just got an Optic….im gonna build it to crawl ….even with just wheels/tires swap indicates good results…probably gonna install a Fusion pro eventually but want to see how the brushed set up does first.
I have just about every other vanquish rig and my VRD and Phoenix are highly built…my Pro and Ultra are mostly stock with Fusion SE motors…..the Optic to me is inline with the axial bomber , Capra and maybe Ryft all rolled into one…just not as fast as the Ryft.
Vanquish has really good stuff! We hope your Optic turns out exactly how you want it :)!! We agree the bomber, and wraith would be best comparisons in our minds, but the Capra is close too!! 🍻🍻
You had me at the jeep xj in the background.
I need to really finish the motor swap and get it running in 2025!! 🍻🍻
@the-ab-outdoors i have a 2000 classic 4.0 that I restored/built 12 years ago. I just finished restoring it a second time last month. Shocks, brakes, ac system, axles/pumpkins, timing chain, injectors, all seals, interior and exterior lights. Repainted her myself 3 years ago. Not a ding on her and she runs like new. I could afford a new car but I have a strange attachment to this xj. I just ordered the h10 optic kit, btw!
Tell us more about that Cherokee :) Good video Jake!
How much time ya got? LOL... I'll do a video on it this week hopefully! 🍻🍻
@@the-ab-outdoors I just finished putting a rebuilt motor in my 2001. It's an endless process!
@@MysticRiverRC this one is getting a rebuilt motor, and a LOT of other stuff lol.... one day....
My optic with basic upgrades outperforms my heavily modified Phoenix in the rocks by a pretty wide margin. Guess it really depends on your terrain.
Glad it's performing for you! The terrain really makes a difference due to the wheel base differences between the two trucks. 🍻🍻
I’ve built two carbons. I have no experience with their rtr stuff. The vs4 10 trucks are sweet. May grab one at some point
@@JeepBully liked the 1 so much you bought a second?
I would get the vs410 pheonix kit if you like building, or the h10 kit.
Thanks for watching!! 🍻🍻
Built my phoenix and my vrd both from a kit portals are a must for me not even interested in the optic
Portals are good for most terrain!! 🍻🍻
Small correction the Phoenix comes straight Axel and portal axel .. where is the four dice is only available in a straight axel .
@@christophermears7738 good callout! I think I was referring to the first pheonix before the falken came out, but it’s hard telling lol I can be all over the place sometimes 😂😂🍻🍻
@the-ab-outdoors yeah it's all good man.. but yeah the first truck that came out was the Phoenix portal kit then the straight axle kit came then the straight axle RTR and then finally the Franklin RTR .
Your right. I seen the Optic released and waited... sure enough,
Boom, shitty diffs.. no thanks.
I'm so glad I waited and bought the VRD kit and built and older Toyota build.
Next will be either the Fordyce for trail.. or nothing. Wait for the next release.
Never buy stuff right off the hop.. Wait to see what's what. Pros and Cons.
With Vanquish it's a crap shoot, typically their stuff is creme of the crop. However they have to eat too, and the market leans towards RTR trucks. Most people just want to buy something they can tinker with and upgrade which is why the sintered stuff is in there (and cost savings on their part obviously lol). We're purchasing a Fordyce real soon as well! 🍻🍻
The H10 has the same diffs that are in the Stance. People are putting in brushless systems and driving it like a bouncer expecting it to not break 🤦🏼. It was built and designed to run as is. If you upgrade then you need to expect to upgrade more than just the motor. I’m not sure why that’s so difficult to understand.
Thank you for the feedback!
It's a little crazy to expect people to spend $235 dollars additionally on a brand new truck to upgrade all the sintered gearing to machined. That turns a $500 truck into:
- truck - $500
- gearing - $235
- motor (fusion se) - $80
- wheels (vanquish) - $180
- tires (generic) - $60
- your receiver - $40
Total - $1095 - before tax & shipping
Just the diff replacements for a single axle are $55 pre tax & shipping.
So yes we would expect that we should be able to put a cheap fusion se into this truck and not immediately break the rear diff driving it. Another interesting point is people are breaking them with the bone stock systems in it, what is the reason for this?
Again as stated in the video the main reason for the complaints are due to the history of the Vanquish name, and how this specific product doesn't necessarily follow all that came before it. 🍻🍻
The only thing you would need to replace are the diff’s. I have a castle mamba/2850 slate in my 410 rtr(sintered gears) and fusion pro in my Stance(sintered gears). Haven’t had any issues. It comes down to driving style. It even says that it’s a trail rig on the box. It’s not made to be a rock bouncer or racer.
All of the things you listed are the owners choice to do. It’s no different than a real car. You can’t put a V8 in a car with a 4 cylinder and not expect
to have to upgrade anything else. That’s the way this hobby is. The 1/24 and 1/18 works is even worse. Buy a $150 car that you know you are going to drop $350 in upgrades to it.
As for people breaking stock vehicles, that’s not an uncommon thing with people that don’t know how to drive. I worked at a hobby shop for a while and people couldn’t understand that parts break. They didn’t want to hear that the vehicle wasn’t indestructible. It didn’t matter if it was a $120 scx24 or a $1500 xmaxx ultimate. They also didn’t want to hear that it was their crap driving that caused the part to break.
I love my Vanquish trucks. Am I fan boy, sure, but i also love my Axial and Traxxas trucks as well.
While i may disagree on the Optic, you make great videos! Thanks for the content.
@@aaroncarr5725 great discussion and counter points! 🍻🍻
Thank you for watching!
I have a phoenix RTR
How do you like it?? 🍻🍻
I love it. I put the heavy bras they offer up from and the light brass in the back they offer and it is heavy but that’s how I like it
Man I made it thru but there was 7 min of content in that 25 min video
Thank you for making it through! 🍻🍻
Crap diffs and no major overdrive and dig.,,IM OUT
The diffs appear to be a real problem unfortunately.. Hopefully the kit comes soon! 🍻🍻
@@the-ab-outdoors
they really dropped the ball on that one