Back in the 90s when everyone wanted digital and midi I bought a mc202 together with a tr808, ms20, CS50 and a cs15 in a package for the modest price of about 500$ for the lot. Those were the days, 😀. I remember that I was really impressed with the sounds of the mc202, very punchy and really great filters. Great idea to compare oldies with new clones, I find it very useful. Keep the good work up synth bro.
@@mattluderman7323 It was in Sweden sometime between 1989 an 1991, I cant remember exactly. In Sweden at that time nobody wanted synths and drum machines without midi. I bought a lot of stuff back then extremely cheap like a mini moog for 350$, a PPG wave 2.2 with kenton midi, an ob xpander, ob-8, a Prophet vs, moog memorymoog etc for about 1000$ each. I even passed on a Prophet 1 because it was 400$ and I thought it was a bit pricy.
@@mattluderman7323 1989 or 1990 in Sweden. I bought a lot of stuff back in the 90s, minimoog and OSC Oscar for 350$ each, Odyssey 200$, memorymoog with midi, ob8, xpander, vs, chroma. PPG wave 2.2 with midi, Waldorf Microwave for 1000$ each. I only looked for synths with midi except the first mentioned package deal so if I had been looking for a Jupiter 8 or Prophet 5 I most certainly could have bought one for the same price as the other polys. The only really expensive things back then were high end samplers.
As far as synths go, I find the Behringer is more than capable. They are doing what the big synth companies are afraid to do. Recreating the Vintage Synths we all know and love and making it affordable.
Having watched so many of the videos, i came to the conclusion that soundwise, Behringer is more than enough to have the sh101 sound for a lot less. Having owned mc202 in the past, Behringer will do just good enough for me.
My first two synths were an SH-101 (I had the blue one) and then a Juno-60, which I'm still using. Well worth an emulation! (I remember one called an Emulator also, though I never actually saw one) Thanks for the info and Be Cool. Edit: I have several pieces of gear from Behringer and I'm most happy with them.
I've got a 101, great little synth. Also picked up an SH-01A second hand recently (pretty close in price to a new MS), it's worth looking at if you are looking for a modern equivalent, couple of extra options to the original including 4 note polyphony, patch memories and good MIDI implementation. Form factor obviously different. All depends on your priorities, I'm limited with space and bought it partly for it's portability.
@@maccagrabme tbh I've never done a head to head, sure there must be one on here somewhere. It obviously differs from the MS in that it's not aiming for similar analogue components to the orig. It's certainly pretty close. The polyphony kinda means you get a 4 voice Jupiter-ish vibe too 😆. As a Bitwig user the ability to use the modulators on any parameter is awesome! Small sliders make it a bit more fiddly, but you can map them to another controller for more precise control. I did think about an MS, but the 01A made more sense for me as I already have the 101 and as I said, my space is limited and the portability factor is good. One down side is the USB power 😒, but I have a dongle that helps to eliminate the noise and you can also take the audio into your DAW digitally via the USB.
Lets face it... in the mix... it'd be anyones guess whether it was an original or not! ... i just got their Poly D, and it's freakin' awsome, including the build quality. I paid £550 inc delivery, Thank you Behringer for bringing back the classics and making them adorable for us regular folk ❤
I suppose to me they do sound very similar, both sounds are great for a music type, is one better than the other, I’m thinking no just slightly different at worse. Great comparison, I’d defo go for the 101 if I was Bill Gates, but the Behringer would do 98%+ of the job, so would be very happy with it.
I had the SH101 alongside my red MS101 4 years ago to see if I needed to keep the SH101 as it was just sat there unused for a long time, I went through almost every setting I could think of alongside each other and I got them sounding exactly the same on nearly everything, didn't notice any loss of bass compared with the 101, the noise generator was different, pink instead of white and I preferred the white on the 101 but for what I needed an Sh101 for the clone did just that. The SH101 tuning was off so needed recalibrating but was in factory mint condition, not a single mark or discolouration which made it harder to let go. Someone who uses these a lot and knows them inside out might insist on the OG but for the casual user the clone is a steal and they even have a mk2 now which is supposed to be even closer and cheaper, including the portamento fix.
They sound so close. I think Behringer did a great job. I think the Roland has some more beefy low end, but it is marginal. And probably you would roll off the low end in a mix. Scott: Maybe also try a Waldorf Pulse 2 to review. In my opinion, it is an overlooked analogue (DCO) synth, but very capable of some really nice bass sounds, leads, etc., and not that expensive.
The behringer sounds great. I don’t understand the hate. Allow it! 😂 You can spend a small fortune on an original with all the retuning, servicing and maintenance or get a clone that sounds great.
Every sh 101 sounds slightly different too so I would say its more than passable. I used to really dislike Behringer but the amount of affordable high quality synths they are releasing lately is really insane. Even there 50 dollar mini synths have great filters and sound fantastic
I enjoy the lack of Behringer Derangement Syndrome on this channel. Behringer makes some solid gear (along with some clunkers). New gear is always less of problem to deal with than vintage gear, which was never designed to last this long!
@@maccagrabme The MK2 ALSO doesn't fix the portamento issues, apparently ! Having had both synths it's a big fail as the Portamento on the SH-101 is great, and on the MS-1 - not great !
The problem with Behringer synths at least over here in Sweden is the fact that you cant find them in any music stores. They are such a market killer considering their low price and good sounds. I mean what synth seller wants to put a 7000 dollar Minimoog next to a 700 dollar Poly-D?😊
The MS-1 has one huge advantage: the FM knob, which creates tons of additional sounds. Its keytar mode, on the other hand, is useless due to the short, thin power supply cable. What stand were you using for the Behringer? Mine currently sits on a huge spider stand which looks ridiculous.
Truetone 1 SPOT Slim 9V DC Adapter has a very long cable and works 100% with the MS-101. I bought mine used 3 years ago and it didn't come with the adapter and that fixed it.
I assume you're using the MK1 of the MS1? The MK2 should be closer to the original, I assume (why would you make a MK2 version otherwise). Like your videos!
I thought the same re the K2 … but apparently, the filters etc are the same, it sounds no closer to an MS-20, and they basically just added some switches for shortcuts to certain settings/modes … 😏🤷🏻♂️
Don‘t know. I feel my bassstation 2 is still the better synth for theses sounds. Yes I know it is not a 101 but I feel it plays in the same ballpark. And you can get it easy and cheap.
Are two SH101s identical? I think these modern versions can become classics in their own right. They have their own sound, which is different. I have a couple of original Junos and they are... OK. No better or worse than the software versions when it comes to making music.
Bought an 101 back in the early 90's for 50 UK pounds and sold it about 2 years after for 150. Thought I had made a really good profit. But todays prices are just insane and frankly absolutely stupid. Why would anyone buy an original 101 for the asking prices of today?
I've had two SH-101s in the 80s. Now I have an MS-1 I must confess, the MS-1 is somewhat disappointing compared to ( my memory of ) the SH-101 The portamento and the sequencer are a disappointment on the MS-1 which is a big fail However other aspects of the MS-1 are better like the Triangle Wave, the FM, and the ability to store multiple sequences
But he was wrong. Did not put glide into steps, so of course glide didn't work. He was right about arpegio and immidiate octave transpose. Might be fixed in a soon to come firmware update.
MS got a modern keybed with speed of keys pressed affecting the sound. It must be set to constant value when compared to SH. The "punch" might simply be that notes are at max.
I have an original MS-101 before they renamed it for legal reasons... some of the envelope timings have gone a bit funny (short) But to be honest they are so cheap I'm not worried
I think that none of them are good. That's why I ask the question in another way: Is MS-1 as bad as SH101? Yes, they are really identically bad, but Behringer put their step sequencer in the body and that was a point in their favor, also adding one more waveform was great. The sequencer of the MS-1 justifies its price. Important note: No original sounds the same as another, no original is faithful to the other, and the human ear is easy to fool or easy to be scammed. So, can MS-1 be that bad? Yes, and the SH101 is of the same build quality as the MS-1. There really are no differences, they are the same thing, only the brand changes, the sound you get is subs of up to -18 db's, it's surprising.
I'm not a lover of Behringer synthesizers. Actually I completely refuse to buy any Behringer synthesizer. But that's not because of the sound of the synthesizers. It's because of the behavior of the company in the past, shamelessly robbing designs (»Maths«, »Keystep«) and exposing journalists (»cork sniffer«) among a few other things. This all is printed in my brain and it prevents me from buying something from Behringer. But (big »but«): The sound quality of their equipment is out of the question. Who cares if the original SH-101 sounds a tiny itchy bit »beafier« than the MS-01 (it vanishes in the mix)? It is a faithful recreation of the original with some very useful additions. Same goes for the »2600«, the »MonoPoly«, the »Model D« and (or course) the »UB-Xa«. Good sounding synthesizers. No doubt. My question is more and more: Why should I buy hardware at all when I can have the same sound quality and more for way less money? And I am talking about software here. There is some great inspiring hardware out there. Let me name a few: -- Waldorf Quantum/Iridium -- Nonlinear Labs C15 -- Arturia MatrixBrute, PolyBrute, PolyBrute 12, MicroFreak, MiniFreak -- Novation Peak -- Vermona PERfourMER -- Sequential Rev-2, Prophet 5/6/10, Teo-5, OB-6, etc. -- nearly the whole product line of Korg -- Roland GAIA 2 -- (and so on) But have a look at software. What you can do with WAY lesser money: -- Arturia -- u-he -- Cherry Audio -- Applied Acoustics -- synthesizers sold by Tracktion -- Kilohearts »Phase Plant« -- UVI »Falcon« -- Xfer Records »Serum« -- Madrona Labs »Kaivo« and »Sumu« Why in the worlds do I need a hardware synthesizer from the old ages? They do not inspire anymore.
Indeed. I see these comparisons as being beside the point. What really matters is: what can it do, and how can I use it? And those who really want what an SH-101 does, should get an SH-101.
I like your videos. But, the statement you made " if they don't sound the same, what good is it ?", is such a terrible statement to make regarding the two individual instruments... I hate the fact that many people call the many instruments that BEHRINGER has produced as "clones"... I'm not going to change everyone's thoughts on the matter, but the comparisons of the so-called clones have run their course. I am done, and give no credence to any more of these type comparisons. Back to your statement, " if they don't sound the same, what good is it?" , then what good is the SH 101, this doesn't sound at all close to a Korg MS-20, or the Sequential PRO-3. These instruments all have their own sound, and features. I for one am so over these comparison videos, especially the ones that are focused on " is this really a clone"....
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Thank you!
Back in the 90s when everyone wanted digital and midi I bought a mc202 together with a tr808, ms20, CS50 and a cs15 in a package for the modest price of about 500$ for the lot.
Those were the days, 😀.
I remember that I was really impressed with the sounds of the mc202, very punchy and really great filters.
Great idea to compare oldies with new clones, I find it very useful.
Keep the good work up synth bro.
Bullshit! That's lie. There is no way you purchased all them for that cost even in the 90's!
@@mattluderman7323 It was in Sweden sometime between 1989 an 1991, I cant remember exactly.
In Sweden at that time nobody wanted synths and drum machines without midi.
I bought a lot of stuff back then extremely cheap like a mini moog for 350$, a PPG wave 2.2 with kenton midi, an ob xpander, ob-8, a Prophet vs, moog memorymoog etc for about 1000$ each.
I even passed on a Prophet 1 because it was 400$ and I thought it was a bit pricy.
@@mattluderman7323 1989 or 1990 in Sweden.
I bought a lot of stuff back in the 90s, minimoog and OSC Oscar for 350$ each, Odyssey 200$, memorymoog with midi, ob8, xpander, vs, chroma. PPG wave 2.2 with midi, Waldorf Microwave for 1000$ each.
I only looked for synths with midi except the first mentioned package deal so if I had been looking for a Jupiter 8 or Prophet 5 I most certainly could have bought one for the same price as the other polys.
The only really expensive things back then were high end samplers.
Scott this is great! I would love to see more of these.
Love your setup, the equipment you use, your reviews of synths and your ideas. Greetings n much love from Malaysia.
As far as synths go, I find the Behringer is more than capable. They are doing what the big synth companies are afraid to do. Recreating the Vintage Synths we all know and love and making it affordable.
Having watched so many of the videos, i came to the conclusion that soundwise, Behringer is more than enough to have the sh101 sound for a lot less. Having owned mc202 in the past, Behringer will do just good enough for me.
GREAT AND HONEST REVIEW,
WITHOUT USING A DAW.
I LIKE THIS APPROACH OF REVIEWING THE COMPARISON'S BETTER.
THANKS 👍
Great post Scott! More of these thank you very much!
Great review. I've now subscribed to your channel.
My first two synths were an SH-101 (I had the blue one) and then a Juno-60, which I'm still using. Well worth an emulation! (I remember one called an Emulator also, though I never actually saw one) Thanks for the info and Be Cool. Edit: I have several pieces of gear from Behringer and I'm most happy with them.
Nice honest comparison!
Excellent demo; Behringer sounds great!!
I've got a 101, great little synth. Also picked up an SH-01A second hand recently (pretty close in price to a new MS), it's worth looking at if you are looking for a modern equivalent, couple of extra options to the original including 4 note polyphony, patch memories and good MIDI implementation. Form factor obviously different. All depends on your priorities, I'm limited with space and bought it partly for it's portability.
How close are they?
@@maccagrabme tbh I've never done a head to head, sure there must be one on here somewhere. It obviously differs from the MS in that it's not aiming for similar analogue components to the orig. It's certainly pretty close. The polyphony kinda means you get a 4 voice Jupiter-ish vibe too 😆. As a Bitwig user the ability to use the modulators on any parameter is awesome! Small sliders make it a bit more fiddly, but you can map them to another controller for more precise control. I did think about an MS, but the 01A made more sense for me as I already have the 101 and as I said, my space is limited and the portability factor is good. One down side is the USB power 😒, but I have a dongle that helps to eliminate the noise and you can also take the audio into your DAW digitally via the USB.
They've got the s1 now if you want to go EVEN smaller. Sounds great too!
Lets face it... in the mix... it'd be anyones guess whether it was an original or not! ... i just got their Poly D, and it's freakin' awsome, including the build quality. I paid £550 inc delivery, Thank you Behringer for bringing back the classics and making them adorable for us regular folk ❤
Excellent comparison.
I suppose to me they do sound very similar, both sounds are great for a music type, is one better than the other, I’m thinking no just slightly different at worse.
Great comparison, I’d defo go for the 101 if I was Bill Gates, but the Behringer would do 98%+ of the job, so would be very happy with it.
Nice comparison Scott! I use my blue MS-101 in my productions daily 👍🏼
I had the SH101 alongside my red MS101 4 years ago to see if I needed to keep the SH101 as it was just sat there unused for a long time, I went through almost every setting I could think of alongside each other and I got them sounding exactly the same on nearly everything, didn't notice any loss of bass compared with the 101, the noise generator was different, pink instead of white and I preferred the white on the 101 but for what I needed an Sh101 for the clone did just that. The SH101 tuning was off so needed recalibrating but was in factory mint condition, not a single mark or discolouration which made it harder to let go. Someone who uses these a lot and knows them inside out might insist on the OG but for the casual user the clone is a steal and they even have a mk2 now which is supposed to be even closer and cheaper, including the portamento fix.
Interesting video comparing the old with the new. Enjoy the holiday!
They sound so close. I think Behringer did a great job. I think the Roland has some more beefy low end, but it is marginal. And probably you would roll off the low end in a mix.
Scott: Maybe also try a Waldorf Pulse 2 to review. In my opinion, it is an overlooked analogue (DCO) synth, but very capable of some really nice bass sounds, leads, etc., and not that expensive.
So how do both compare to the SH-101 model of GAIA2? That would also be an interesting comparison.
Already did that video! ua-cam.com/video/9fe4p_gMSAU/v-deo.html
A good, solid dose of sanity here - great video.
I love my blue Ms1 .
best synths are blue - A6, Blue Meany, Oberheim, Mininova
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I’ll stick with the plug-out on the System-8 :)
perfectly valid alternative
That is an amazing synth museum there... :-)
Nice T-shirt 😍
- I don't hear the difference. So I would definitely get the Behringer over the SH-101.
Rilant Aira Compact S1 with a controller blows them both away, has heaps of midi controllers too.!!
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Nice one. Get your hands on the mk2 yet?
The behringer sounds great. I don’t understand the hate.
Allow it! 😂
You can spend a small fortune on an original with all the retuning, servicing and maintenance or get a clone that sounds great.
Every sh 101 sounds slightly different too so I would say its more than passable. I used to really dislike Behringer but the amount of affordable high quality synths they are releasing lately is really insane. Even there 50 dollar mini synths have great filters and sound fantastic
Nice!
Is this the Behringer MS-1 MKII which just came out or their first version?
It is the MKI.
Well, I have both and they sound different. But both are great synths.
I enjoy the lack of Behringer Derangement Syndrome on this channel. Behringer makes some solid gear (along with some clunkers). New gear is always less of problem to deal with than vintage gear, which was never designed to last this long!
Ever since Behringer bought out Midas the gear they put out is much better.
Now VS the vst plugins!
I've done that one already: ua-cam.com/video/9fe4p_gMSAU/v-deo.html
I heard the MS-1 doesn’t get the portamento right compared to the 101. Maybe check that out.
There is a mk2 out now.
Glide works for sequences. Does not get applied to arpegiator in the current firmware. Update coming!
@@maccagrabme The MK2 ALSO doesn't fix the portamento issues, apparently ! Having had both synths it's a big fail as the Portamento on the SH-101 is great, and on the MS-1 - not great !
you had mk1 right? what hasnt been fixed on mk2 ? i mean what is still wrong?
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@@kicksNCY Nope Portamento issues still not fixed on Mark 2 ( apparently )
The problem with Behringer synths at least over here in Sweden is the fact that you cant find them in any music stores. They are such a market killer considering their low price and good sounds. I mean what synth seller wants to put a 7000 dollar Minimoog next to a 700 dollar Poly-D?😊
nice shirt. where did you buy it?
The MS-1 has one huge advantage: the FM knob, which creates tons of additional sounds.
Its keytar mode, on the other hand, is useless due to the short, thin power supply cable.
What stand were you using for the Behringer? Mine currently sits on a huge spider stand which looks ridiculous.
It was on the upper tier of this stand: ua-cam.com/video/qCmY7QQ025w/v-deo.html
Truetone 1 SPOT Slim 9V DC Adapter has a very long cable and works 100% with the MS-101. I bought mine used 3 years ago and it didn't come with the adapter and that fixed it.
is this the first or the MK2 version of the MS-1?
It is the MK1.
I assume you're using the MK1 of the MS1? The MK2 should be closer to the original, I assume (why would you make a MK2 version otherwise). Like your videos!
Correct, it is a MK1, and I assume why I was sent it for free :)
I thought the same re the K2 … but apparently, the filters etc are the same, it sounds no closer to an MS-20, and they basically just added some switches for shortcuts to certain settings/modes … 😏🤷🏻♂️
Don‘t know. I feel my bassstation 2 is still the better synth for theses sounds. Yes I know it is not a 101 but I feel it plays in the same ballpark. And you can get it easy and cheap.
@@charley2070 VCO vs DCO. I still have a BSII, though - has some good features and very transportable.
Are two SH101s identical? I think these modern versions can become classics in their own right. They have their own sound, which is different. I have a couple of original Junos and they are... OK. No better or worse than the software versions when it comes to making music.
No two analog synths (especially vintage analog synths) are going to sound exactly alike. So very good point.
The Behringer MS-1 MkII is out. Jus sayin...☮💟🌍
Doesn't fix the issues though :-(
Bought an 101 back in the early 90's for 50 UK pounds and sold it about 2 years after for 150. Thought I had made a really good profit. But todays prices are just insane and frankly absolutely stupid. Why would anyone buy an original 101 for the asking prices of today?
The VCF Resonance is not cloned. It sounds very different to the SH 101. As for the VCO and the VCF Cutoff I would say it is 95%.
I've had two SH-101s in the 80s. Now I have an MS-1
I must confess, the MS-1 is somewhat disappointing compared to ( my memory of ) the SH-101
The portamento and the sequencer are a disappointment on the MS-1 which is a big fail
However other aspects of the MS-1 are better like the Triangle Wave, the FM, and the ability to store multiple sequences
The portamento for sure is not the same. I hear they have fixed this on the MKII MS-1.
Did you see the "Behringer MS-1 MK2 - Very Disappointed" video? That guy tore it apart! He was so mad lol
But he was wrong. Did not put glide into steps, so of course glide didn't work.
He was right about arpegio and immidiate octave transpose. Might be fixed in a soon to come firmware update.
SH is punchier, but MS definitely sounds good too
MS got a modern keybed with speed of keys pressed affecting the sound. It must be set to constant value when compared to SH. The "punch" might simply be that notes are at max.
the 101 is all about the sequencer.
I have an original MS-101 before they renamed it for legal reasons... some of the envelope timings have gone a bit funny (short) But to be honest they are so cheap I'm not worried
These were everywhere in the 1980s so i dont know how they could be considered a comercial failier?
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I think that none of them are good.
That's why I ask the question in another way:
Is MS-1 as bad as SH101? Yes, they are really identically bad, but Behringer put their step sequencer in the body and that was a point in their favor, also adding one more waveform was great. The sequencer of the MS-1 justifies its price.
Important note:
No original sounds the same as another, no original is faithful to the other, and the human ear is easy to fool or easy to be scammed.
So, can MS-1 be that bad? Yes, and the SH101 is of the same build quality as the MS-1.
There really are no differences, they are the same thing, only the brand changes, the sound you get is subs of up to -18 db's, it's surprising.
MS1 is so much better
I'm not a lover of Behringer synthesizers. Actually I completely refuse to buy any Behringer synthesizer. But that's not because of the sound of the synthesizers. It's because of the behavior of the company in the past, shamelessly robbing designs (»Maths«, »Keystep«) and exposing journalists (»cork sniffer«) among a few other things. This all is printed in my brain and it prevents me from buying something from Behringer.
But (big »but«): The sound quality of their equipment is out of the question. Who cares if the original SH-101 sounds a tiny itchy bit »beafier« than the MS-01 (it vanishes in the mix)? It is a faithful recreation of the original with some very useful additions. Same goes for the »2600«, the »MonoPoly«, the »Model D« and (or course) the »UB-Xa«. Good sounding synthesizers. No doubt.
My question is more and more: Why should I buy hardware at all when I can have the same sound quality and more for way less money? And I am talking about software here. There is some great inspiring hardware out there. Let me name a few:
-- Waldorf Quantum/Iridium
-- Nonlinear Labs C15
-- Arturia MatrixBrute, PolyBrute, PolyBrute 12, MicroFreak, MiniFreak
-- Novation Peak
-- Vermona PERfourMER
-- Sequential Rev-2, Prophet 5/6/10, Teo-5, OB-6, etc.
-- nearly the whole product line of Korg
-- Roland GAIA 2
-- (and so on)
But have a look at software. What you can do with WAY lesser money:
-- Arturia
-- u-he
-- Cherry Audio
-- Applied Acoustics
-- synthesizers sold by Tracktion
-- Kilohearts »Phase Plant«
-- UVI »Falcon«
-- Xfer Records »Serum«
-- Madrona Labs »Kaivo« and »Sumu«
Why in the worlds do I need a hardware synthesizer from the old ages? They do not inspire anymore.
The Roland sequencer is better than the Behringer.
The sh 101 was so fat and saturated. I would need to hear them live , not on a compressed digital file .
This review could not be anymore basic
short answer: it is not. but if you don't know what to look for or even know what the sh-101 can do, it wouldn't matter.
Indeed. I see these comparisons as being beside the point. What really matters is: what can it do, and how can I use it? And those who really want what an SH-101 does, should get an SH-101.
They both are crap. I remember a time that better synths came out.
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Good for poor people 😂
It's just an incredibly boring synth swamped in roland history.
They are not in tune. Thats the only difference l here.
I like your videos. But, the statement you made " if they don't sound the same, what good is it ?", is such a terrible statement to make regarding the two individual instruments... I hate the fact that many people call the many instruments that BEHRINGER has produced as "clones"... I'm not going to change everyone's thoughts on the matter, but the comparisons of the so-called clones have run their course. I am done, and give no credence to any more of these type comparisons. Back to your statement, " if they don't sound the same, what good is it?" , then what good is the SH 101, this doesn't sound at all close to a Korg MS-20, or the Sequential PRO-3. These instruments all have their own sound, and features. I for one am so over these comparison videos, especially the ones that are focused on " is this really a clone"....