@@NunyaB1s Behringer is not good in analog, it sounds very thin and not convincing. Roland did it much better with their real official reissue (SH-01A), it has that typical sound and sweetspots. Fake Behringer sounds nothing like the original Roland's. That (wannabe Behringer) toy has nothing to do with the Roland SH-101/SH-01A instruments. Sorry for the reality...
@@synthetic24 the original 808 sounds thin and unconvincing. What you hear on records is the result of added compression/limiter to make the kick and snare thicker. Did you listen to the same test here? The only major difference here is the filter wobble which is a symptom of failing circuits. It’s notable that only the sh-101 player was able to knock the sound test out of the park. And no, if Roland “did it right” we’d have an all-analog synth. Not a vst plugin in a cheap enclosure.
The question isn’t “can you tell a difference”, there’s always a difference between any two analog devices. The question is: “is the difference worth $900”. The answer seems to be a resounding no...
I would pay $900 for a faded, 40 year old Roland logo with wonky, disfunctional 40 year old electronics. The funny thing is back in the day, the SH-101 would've been considered a cost reduced, 1 VCO budget synth with s*&t build quality!
Indeed. I've owned 3 101's and loved them, absolutely adore and respect the epic sounds and records that created the foundation for house and techno in the 80's and 90's, but they all failed due to age and light build quality. Owning one at home is one thing but taking them and the others from that era on tour is another. One drop or pothole or bump and they break
Agreed, especially considering how ridiculously overpriced vintage gear is these days. I have an SH101 I inherited from a friend who passed away, and while I love it for both the sound and sentimental reasons, it would simply would not be worth the price to buy it today when this much less expensive clone gets it so right (obviously collectors are going to want an original, but for performers I would not hesitate to recommend the MS101 over the SH101. When you buy vintage gear, you're also buying decades of potential wear and tear.
lo siento por tu amigo Eastjinks ,una de las cosas ,ya que suena practicamente igual y todos sabemos que los sintes analogicos no suena iguales entre si,tiene fm,algo muy necesario hoy dia para sacar texturas nuevas,a mi me flipa,si tuviese dinero tendria una mansion llena de sintetizadores mesas digitales analogicas compresores limitadores modernos antiguos efectos de todo tipos todos los moog,los modulares ,todo lo tendria todo y por que??no lo se,pero me flipa cada variacion en las texturas que pueda darte un efecto un osc ,me flipa y me enamoro de las texturas y la gente no me comprende,le enseño dos pad iguales,practicamente,pero yo oigo en cada uno de ellos algo el el otro no tiene y viseversa ,amo la musica y amo la variedad sutil o exagerada o media o sus miles de variaciones,soy un frikazo,y esta maquina de behringer la quiero,todo lo que esta sacando behringer lo quiero es asequible,ya tengo 3,deepmind 12 teclado,neutron y model d,y ahora voy a por este,en 5 o 6 dias me llega ademas el rojo infierno,ni negro ni azul ni gris ni verde,ui verde no hay,bueno quiero el rojo ejejejjejejejejejejjeje,toy fatal de lo mio lo se,hoy no tomé la medicacion,disfrutad de cada milesima parte de segundo de una textura que os pueda ofrecer lo ,hoy dia hasta un peo es usable y puede ser bello, es la magia,si buscais algo de lo que hago hay poco unas 12 aprox en soundcloud en youtube solo dos en mi canal y sueltas que pilla la gente y les hace un video,aparte de perder un disco de tres tb, estaba formateando y se fue en ese momento todo mis proyectos no 3tb de datos de proyectos ,era mucho menos pero estaba en ese pu.. disco,y no pude rescatar ni un wav,fué algo mecanico,aparte tuve un accidente casi mortal y estoy en silla de ruedas,paralitico,pero estoy terminando un disco fusionando los dos mundos el analogico y el digital,en tipo bso,aunque puede entrar lo que sea en una banda sonora,se llama la banda sonora de mi vida,explico paso a paso con instrumentales mi vida hasta ahora todo es melodico con un bonus de musica relajante de una hora y las versiones originales y cantadas contando mi viaje por esto que llamamos vida ,a ver como sale ya hay 7 tracks completos + bonus faltan 4 mas que dos estan casi y dos sin empezar y cantada solo una por ahora a ver que sale de todo esto jejejejejejejeeje y disfrutad cada segundo que os brinda la vida y la musica,(y muchas cosas mas😉)saludosssssss
@@anthonybrettTB-303's are kinda notorious for having individual characters. That's why nobody agrees that those clones sound the same. Because a lot of people have different ideas on the (albeit subtle) nuances. Back then quality control was way more crap. Those old machines can be cranky.
@@theothertonydutch Totally agree. Tolerances in electronic components back then were generally in the 5% range, worse again if you looked at only Capacitors. Theres actually a lot of swing in 5%. Nowadays tolerances of 1% to 0.1% are more standard, as manufacturing techniques got better and we moved to SMD components. Technically speaking, science wins here. If I emulate a circuit perfectly, there can only be one outcome. The only difference you should hear will be tolerances.
@@anthonybrett Honestly it is a bit of a problem in my opinion. Takes the personality out of some instruments. I prefer my gear a little bit shitty. :P Korg Volcas are trash, but they all have sweetspots. I also like that they're so damned cheap. I really hope people will come up with good mods for Behringer gear. That's my main gripe with the Volca stuff, there's not all that much you can do to SMD without fucking up the whole board.
Behringers new line is sweet. For the price alone it's amazing to have these available. It just opens up those sounds to a whole other generation of musicians. You could have 30k worth of vintage synths (if you tried to buy them now) in under 3k. Can't wait for the Linndrum clone which was all but confirmed in one of their videos on the Rhythm Designer
Behringer have change my studio . I'm not a great producer that can spend a lot of money for the best gear...but now i have an odissey, a tr 808 and a tr909 for 1000 euro this is the only good thing that the new century have become....the rest is war around the world
Yeah the SH is sort of self-oscillating at frequencies that don't match a harmonic, whereas the MS is only boosting the actual harmonics - probably because the SH's max resonance is higher than that of the MS, but maybe the filter design could influence that too, I don't know.
I design analog and plugin compressors and eq's, so analyzing synth sounds is new to me. I heard the subtle differences, but the only difference that mattered to me (because I *felt* it) was the wobbly-ness of the filter when sweeping resonances over harmonics. Calling it 'wobbly' was an amazing observation that would've exceeded my ability to quantify or describe, but I know I loved the vibe of it.
I owned an SH101 in the 80s and when my band would perform, I’d have to use the batteries because it would hum when plugged in. If the MS doesn’t and the SH still does, then I’d call that a fundamental win for the MS
It's actually caused by a switching power supply. My SH-101 was very sensitive to this, when I used a more expensive power supply it was gone. So that might be helpful 40 years in the past.
I've heard quite a few comparisons where they do sound slightly different, but I think this is often because many people are simply putting the controls in the same place and comparing the sound, rather than tweaking the controls to match the sound. I think you did a great job of actually matching their sounds. I think for 99.9% of people, they sound "close enough." The other .1% probably does notice subtle differences because they're THAT familiar with the sound. And that's awesome, I personally think in certain cases the SH sounds SLIGHTLY better... but to me it's not worth the 4x price increase, let alone the hassle of dealing with vintage gear issues. Now, I'd personally love to learn how to repair and modify vintage synths, especially because of the broken HS-60 that is leaning against the wall in my spare bedroom, but unfortunately I've never been able to find anyone willingly sharing any information online about vintage synth repair. If I ever learn how to figure it out for myself, you can bet I'll be making videos if possible to help other people learn more. I don't want these things to completely die off because the people who could repair them refused to share the knowledge.
I've had 4 SH-101s over the years. And I shall not be selling my latest. It's definitely here for keeps.... This time! Your demo was excellent. I could hear the differences same as when you pointed them out. But they aren't in anyway a major downer. I'd still get an MS as it sounds great and is a bargain!
I ever prefer to buy something that I would spend less money. But something We have to think about is the duration of the components. Behringer uses components that, sometimes, loses their capabilities sooner then we spect, like knobs and sliders. Even thought U$900 is such a big difference.
@@cyrotelles7265 Not really the case anymore - the parts they use is the same in Moog etc, usually the same SMD components from... the same chinese factories. They should last a long time. To make things funnier, companies like Elektron, DSI etc. are using coolaudio chips, which is part of behringer.
@@AshBashVids and not know how much life it has left in it. With JV-1080's catching fire from shitty capacitors that are finally popping, and various other vintage gear reaching the end of their 30-year lives. At $300 for one or $600 for two...you know you get at least another 20 years and you could keep one boxed and shelved as a back-up if the first one fries and consider it a 40-60 year sound investment. Me personally? I'm lucky if I have another 20 years in my life, so the extra $400 I just don't see the appeal. There's tons of issues with chips going bad on older gear across all companies. These replicas/clones/wtf-evers not only allow for an affordable entry for those of us who can't afford to or generally can't justify dumping that kind of money on a piece of vintage gear, nor want to get involved in the immediate upkeep that often comes with said gear. In perfect conditions an SH-101 should last nearly forever. That means never having a single power fluctuation, no gigging, no smoke, rare dust, and only run for as long as it's rated for on the components. How many SH-101's out there have been in such perfect conditions? One? Maybe 2? Pretty much if isn't unopened, it's lifetime is unknown and being 30 years now, it's sitting in it's nursing home. I'd grab me a clone. Now, I'm off to order fuses that blew on my old Ensoniq.
A good comparison and video. I’d happily take a Behringer. I just want good sounds, and not bothered about watching ‘scope traces or a relative sound difference between this and the original
There are so many horrifically annoying people and videos on UA-cam so it's really nice to come across a video like this which is informative doesn't make you want to commit suicide because of the person's voice and does exactly what it says it's going to do in a succinct and interesting way. Thank you for your excellent video.
I've got to say that behringer is breaking me down, why pay more for a 30 year synth at 3 times the price that can break down tomorw? Thanks for the review!
@@s90210h Given the build quality of the Deepmind, a follow up could be due in three to four years. (A friend's Deepmind has sliders and an encoder that create ghost values out of nowhere, without touching them. They also make wild jumps from low to high values upon just touching them. This after two years of light use. Programming it is an aggravating experience!)
Yes, the Roland will last longer... but you can almost buy a brand new MS with a warranty for what it costs to repair a SH. Or, spend the same amount of money on 5 MS's instead of 1 SH, and put the others in storage. When your first MS breaks when out of warranty, take one out of storage and so on and so on.
This is a great video - it seems Behringer really did come very close to the SH-101 sound, but... I think the portamento feature (glossed over at the beginning the video) is one of the main things techno producers want, and the MS doesn’t do it right (yet). The lack of an unconditional “always on” glide mode means you can’t spontaneously add some “rubber” to your sequence while it’s playing back. Also, I found the glide knob on the MS-101 goes from “instant” (no glide) to “a bit too slow” - it is obviously a digital control. As it is though, the SH-101 can do much faster portamento than the MS. Hopefully Behringer will resolve these discrepancies in a firmware update! Thanks for the comparison.
Id love to try it blindfolded in a studio. I find my eyes fool my ears with these sorts of tests. I loved listening to the blind tests, I found I was roughly 50/50.
Coupla Behringer ADA-8000's here, six years old. One is completely dead, the other is dying. Both always ran very hot. Both have scratchy pots, these days you have to work the hell out of them to get any audio at all. Above 3/4 preamp gain, you might as well have a fuzzbox in the chain. They were cheap, they worked well til they quit or started screwing up, and now.... I have a fair bit of critical wiring passing thru where a dead device used to live, soooi.. I can spend ANOTHER $200 on a new and improved box that is likely to die before I do... or, rewire a big piece of my rig, or, just leave the hole and work around it. Thanks Uli. I knew I was was buying low end, no sweat, I don't always need great conversion. I DIDN'T KNOW I was only renting low end, that they would die before I even finished wiring the rig. The Octapre I bought at the same time cost $600, sounds good, the pots aren't scratchy, way less distortion at high fain and... ...it STILL WORKS FINE.
Great video. There was more of a difference than i was expecting. Mainly the filter & VCO. However i've heard bigger differences between different Sh101's side by side. not all of them are the same. Some have more balls!
Well, I completely failed the blind test. Thought I was hearing different ones when it was really the same one, and vice versa. What I learned from the test is the reason I love analog... it's not 100% flawless so every key press is a unique sound wave even if the settings haven't changed. But yeah, I'd definitely go with the Behrigner version even if the were the same price. Practically identical sound, but it has a fancier sequencer and those extra FM knobs. Just wish it came in gray because the industrial look of the old one really appeals to me.
The MS-101 is SO close, it could be considered a revision of the original synth. There's probably more difference between different Minimoogs, Prophet Vs ect depending on the version. I think the Prophet V had three versions, some with SSM and some with Curtis chips.
Amazing side by side comparison mate. 2 things I pulled from watching. 1. Most of the hate from "purist" is nothing more than sour grapes because they either paid top dollar for an original and/or they're watching the resale market for them evaporate. 2. The difference is subtle enough that few can tell the difference and even fewer will be willing to pay up to $2K for a 30yr/old box. That midi mod won't come cheap either.
"...watching the resale market for them evaporate". Expterience shows that the price of the original hardware even rises when new clones appear. The hype puts these instruments in the focus and more people than before wanna buy the original piece.
@@weilhaltstudios Doesn't appear to have been the case upon the introduction of the Korg MS20 mini or their "ARP" Odyssey. Original examples of those 2 synths seem to have decreased somewhat in value.
5:25 - This is one main reason why the old synth with the "wobbliness" (beating harmonics interference) have more "liveliness" and the newer ones often sound to "sterile" or clean. In a musical context this does matter even more then in a straight comparison. So to speak this often will create those sweetspots where the magic happens.
I've never felt the 101 is a synth for me, but your videos are so great informative and entretaining that i watch them even if i don't care about the synth hahaha, but this case is a bit different because i'm looking really close at what Behringer is doing, their clones are causing a lot of hype (and hate from some "purists") in the community... i'm waiting patiently for their OB-Xa clone.
I promise you, this is the best coffee table synth ever made. Micro adjustments of those faders produce an infinite number of textures and sounds. Once you have a few basic rules about how she works you will find it difficult to make it sound bad. Just buy the MS. And if your budget runs to it... Buy both.
Yeah, I also dig loopop's videos as he's just presenting the devices so damn well and thoroughly, that it already makes it super entertaining to watch/listen.
@@Franzware That CS-80 is going to take a while, they are only teasing some renders so I have no idea if they are already working on it at component level and then is the software development that takes more time... don't get me wrong I'm really excited for that one too Behringer is shaking the industry!
@@georgegeorgio1751 very hard to recognize which is which on the blind test. At least saw sounds filtered sounds very similar. Strange that they've made a shorter env. for MS. Maybe it's for snappier short sounds... don't know. If the env. had a usual scheme then it's easy to change just by changing a capacitor.
Gotta give it to the boffins over at Behringer. It's about 95% there. The remaining differences are so subtle that it doesn't really matter. Great comparison video!
Great Video. Obviously owning the original is Wonderful but I have to agree, unless you have tons of disposable income most of the Behringer copies or homages of older synths are pretty amazing and a hell of a lot more affordable.
Looked away during the end-jam, then looked back over and momentarily thought "WTF it's the top of Loopop's head!" Then realized those weren't Loopop's hands. The mystery endures.
To my opinion, as many said, they sound ''the same'' when you consider the electric imperfection of pots and sliders / electronic. so basically, they may very well be considered approximately the same
sh sounds more round on my focal speakers :) Especcially the pwm. The filter sweep without resonance is smoother. While traveling the harmonics the ms distortes the harmonics in high frequenties.
The 101 is a classic, albeit I preferred the SH09. The MS is just as good and the price is great. To be honest the System 1 plugout's just as good, it's just that folks are allergic to digital :-P
I owned an SH-101 in the eighties. On the basis of this video only the lack of portamento would give me pause for thought if I felt I wanted to go there again. Nice jam on the original at the end of the video BTW. It took me back :-)
@@solaariz I need to service it, like all vintage kit it has problems and in this case it has developed tuning issues. This can be corrected, recappimg it and re calibrating etc. Cheers and regards.
I never seemed to come across a really good SH-101 in decent shape for a fair price. I got the Intellijel Atlantis, and LOVED it so much. After a couple of years, I sold all of my eurorack and I miss it terribly. Its one of the few things eurorack that I really wish I still had. There is just something about the oscillator and filter which sound so pleasing to my ears. Can’t wait to grab one of these. Sounds more than close enough for my ears. Also, glad that the noise on the MS is brighter. For me its harder to make use of pink, blue, or brown noise. Gotta be white noise for percussive sounds.
I've had 3 different SH-101's and they all had subtle differences in tones One of the grey's sounded the best to my ears while the other grey and the red one sounded good but not as great.
I rly like vertical plug in ports. its easier to plug and de-plug, u need less room and can better connect if you have a few synth-tools, u find faster an issue in this part. should be a "new" standard again.
The big difference is in the filter sweep. Watch how all of the harmonics come up around the fundamental harmonic as the filter comes down in the SH. This gives it that snarl. The MS's harmonics below the resonance do not change at all. Its a clean sweep. I like the old snarl better, but would i pay that much more for it? Maybe if i didn't already have a classic analog. But for $300 this is great.
I can't tell the difference between the sound but I can tell the difference between the sequencers. edit:Who is Isak and where can listen to him play the SH-101 some more?
Your videos are great and you explanation is perfect! Thanks so much!Helping me loads to build my set!! Maybe for those on a budget would be cool to see a comparison between the smaller SH-01A and the MS-101 :)
Honestly I prefer my SH-01A over both. Having the mono, unison, 4 voice poly and 4-voice chord modes alone is a big step up from either of these. Just can do a lot more with it.
Love my SH-01A! Can’t beat patch memory and polyphony. Also metal case, unlike these toys ;-) But I may still get the Behringer for noodling with because it is so damn cheap... plus those CV ins should be fun - external sequencer velocity to filter etc.
About the envelope. You showed the maximum release time, but I feel it would be more interesting to compare fast envelopes with the filter, to see if there is any difference in character and 'snappiness' of the sound.
Ha! I bought my blue SH-101 from a second hand shop from a guy who didn't knew. He sold it to me for 500 DKK = 67 Euros. Not mint, but definitely workable. Used it this morning, screams like hell :-)
I bet other people may have commented but it would of been nice to hear the SH-01a in there too. Even though it’s digital. I realize it’s not the point of the video, but I’m curious how all three match up.
I have the Behringer, and it sounds better than the virtual SH-101 in my opinion, there isn’t enough difference to get in a tizzy about! Isac knows his synth though!
I LOVE that Behringer is doing this. It sounds GREAT!!!! My only minor hang up is, I have no idea why they put a handle on the MS if it can't run off batteries. ????????? So you'll be tethered to a power source...... ?
Hmmm. 4:16 I could hear quite the difference in the filters tbh, the roland has more low-mid warmth in it, the Behringer sounds pretty thin in comparison.
The biggest difference isn't really in the sound, it's that the Roland is a longer lasting piece of gear. The MS isn't designed for longevity, or that isn't the intention, but rather it's meant to give beginners the ability to explore a similar, physical device without having to spend around $1000 on an original SH-101. With the best care though, I imagine an MS could last a few years.
oh well the sh also breaks. saw an interview with extrawelt recently. it´s their main synth for live and they always tour with two as one is always broken :)
most of the oscillator differences you show could be changed on the 'real' SH by internal tuning and/or changes to the circuitry over time. I'll put money on you seeing similar differences between two SH-101s
The CEM and filter chips in SH101s are pretty consistent. The variance would come from slider tolerance and to a much lesser extent, component tolerance. The CEM chip in the MS101 is pretty much identical, but the filter difference seems to be more down to the waveforms overdriving it - turn down the volume of them a little bit and maybe we could do a better filter comparison.
@@AshBashVids the difference in aging on the surrounding resistors and capacitors, and the inherent variance of those resistors and capacitors, however, is not consistent. When electronic items are rated +-10%, that means there is a total of 20% possible variance on it, then age that item for thirty years, and see if it still responds identically.
Some of those differences, like in the square wave are due to capacitor aging on the original 101 , they are blocking some of the low end and making the square more trapezoid like.
@@nisios that is down to AC-coupling, not aging components. Especially the subosc, which is not even an analogue component. The capacitors often most affected are electrolytic, and they're often never in the audio path.
@@JKC40 you would just have increased instability, but generally most components outside certain capacitors fare well despite age. Electrolytic capacitors are generally nowhere near the audio generation side of things. Also, you would have to account for the fact that the likes of the SH-101 are using ICs rather than discrete circuitry, which are generally have tighter tolerances.
Got the ms101, and never had sh101. It is suriprising how the simple yet accesible architecture of this single vco synth is still fun to play and has wide variety of sweet spots. My only issue with ms101 is that it doesnt send any midi information except key note and velocity. At least pitch wheel and modulation would be welcome...
Ugh that is truly disappointing. As I understand it, their Odyssey clone is the same. But to be fair, I think adding a full MIDI implementation would have required adding digital elements into some originally-all-analog paths that would risk altering the sound. Not to mention of course require nontrivial R&D that would have jacked up the price. So they hit the Behringer crazy low price point and the tone of the original, but missed (what i consider) the most important opportunity for improvement. At least they added sequence banking, but reducing the step count to 32 is pretty weak, unless sequence chaining is simple and intuitive.
I got the MS-1 and I noticed right away that there was no dust protection on the sliders I was wondering if that was in error. Overall I really like this synth. I had an SH-101 22 years ago and the MS-1/MS-101 hits the spot.
I can hear a difference, one sounds more red than the other
Yes and the red sounding one is sounding faster too. :D
Originalbeatsproducer YnZ haha and selling faster no doubt too!
I thought It sounded a bit smaller to be honest
@@originalbeatsproducerynz4920 Red always makes it faster!
LOL
Perfect review! Roland just failed to recognise that there is a market for those synths. No one can blame behringer for doing what must be done!
Yeah Roland are being cheapskates
Roland did it with the SH-01a.
@@synthetic24 not analog though. No two analog machines will ever be identical, but you can’t do that with software.
@@NunyaB1s Behringer is not good in analog, it sounds very thin and not convincing. Roland did it much better with their real official reissue (SH-01A), it has that typical sound and sweetspots. Fake Behringer sounds nothing like the original Roland's. That (wannabe Behringer) toy has nothing to do with the Roland SH-101/SH-01A instruments. Sorry for the reality...
@@synthetic24 the original 808 sounds thin and unconvincing. What you hear on records is the result of added compression/limiter to make the kick and snare thicker. Did you listen to the same test here? The only major difference here is the filter wobble which is a symptom of failing circuits. It’s notable that only the sh-101 player was able to knock the sound test out of the park.
And no, if Roland “did it right” we’d have an all-analog synth. Not a vst plugin in a cheap enclosure.
The question isn’t “can you tell a difference”, there’s always a difference between any two analog devices. The question is: “is the difference worth $900”. The answer seems to be a resounding no...
I just got a ms-1. It's a no brainer.Brainerd. awesome synth. Hard to make sound bad
I would pay $900 for a faded, 40 year old Roland logo with wonky, disfunctional 40 year old electronics. The funny thing is back in the day, the SH-101 would've been considered a cost reduced, 1 VCO budget synth with s*&t build quality!
Indeed. I've owned 3 101's and loved them, absolutely adore and respect the epic sounds and records that created the foundation for house and techno in the 80's and 90's, but they all failed due to age and light build quality. Owning one at home is one thing but taking them and the others from that era on tour is another. One drop or pothole or bump and they break
Exactly.
Spot on. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Nuances aside, it's never a bad thing to make rare musical gear available and affordable.
Agreed, especially considering how ridiculously overpriced vintage gear is these days. I have an SH101 I inherited from a friend who passed away, and while I love it for both the sound and sentimental reasons, it would simply would not be worth the price to buy it today when this much less expensive clone gets it so right (obviously collectors are going to want an original, but for performers I would not hesitate to recommend the MS101 over the SH101. When you buy vintage gear, you're also buying decades of potential wear and tear.
lo siento por tu amigo Eastjinks
,una de las cosas ,ya que suena practicamente igual y todos sabemos que los sintes analogicos no suena iguales entre si,tiene fm,algo muy necesario hoy dia para sacar texturas nuevas,a mi me flipa,si tuviese dinero tendria una mansion llena de sintetizadores mesas digitales analogicas compresores limitadores modernos antiguos efectos de todo tipos todos los moog,los modulares ,todo lo tendria todo y por que??no lo se,pero me flipa cada variacion en las texturas que pueda darte un efecto un osc ,me flipa y me enamoro de las texturas y la gente no me comprende,le enseño dos pad iguales,practicamente,pero yo oigo en cada uno de ellos algo el el otro no tiene y viseversa ,amo la musica y amo la variedad sutil o exagerada o media o sus miles de variaciones,soy un frikazo,y esta maquina de behringer la quiero,todo lo que esta sacando behringer lo quiero es asequible,ya tengo 3,deepmind 12 teclado,neutron y model d,y ahora voy a por este,en 5 o 6 dias me llega ademas el rojo infierno,ni negro ni azul ni gris ni verde,ui verde no hay,bueno quiero el rojo ejejejjejejejejejejjeje,toy fatal de lo mio lo se,hoy no tomé la medicacion,disfrutad de cada milesima parte de segundo de una textura que os pueda ofrecer lo ,hoy dia hasta un peo es usable y puede ser bello, es la magia,si buscais algo de lo que hago hay poco unas 12 aprox en soundcloud en youtube solo dos en mi canal y sueltas que pilla la gente y les hace un video,aparte de perder un disco de tres tb, estaba formateando y se fue en ese momento todo mis proyectos no 3tb de datos de proyectos ,era mucho menos pero estaba en ese pu.. disco,y no pude rescatar ni un wav,fué algo mecanico,aparte tuve un accidente casi mortal y estoy en silla de ruedas,paralitico,pero estoy terminando un disco fusionando los dos mundos el analogico y el digital,en tipo bso,aunque puede entrar lo que sea en una banda sonora,se llama la banda sonora de mi vida,explico paso a paso con instrumentales mi vida hasta ahora todo es melodico con un bonus de musica relajante de una hora y las versiones originales y cantadas contando mi viaje por esto que llamamos vida ,a ver como sale ya hay 7 tracks completos + bonus faltan 4 mas que dos estan casi y dos sin empezar y cantada solo una por ahora a ver que sale de todo esto jejejejejejejeeje y disfrutad cada segundo que os brinda la vida y la musica,(y muchas cosas mas😉)saludosssssss
Compare an SH-101 to an SH-101. There will be differences.
Good point.
@@anthonybrettTB-303's are kinda notorious for having individual characters. That's why nobody agrees that those clones sound the same. Because a lot of people have different ideas on the (albeit subtle) nuances. Back then quality control was way more crap. Those old machines can be cranky.
@@theothertonydutch Totally agree. Tolerances in electronic components back then were generally in the 5% range, worse again if you looked at only Capacitors. Theres actually a lot of swing in 5%. Nowadays tolerances of 1% to 0.1% are more standard, as manufacturing techniques got better and we moved to SMD components. Technically speaking, science wins here. If I emulate a circuit perfectly, there can only be one outcome. The only difference you should hear will be tolerances.
@@anthonybrett Honestly it is a bit of a problem in my opinion. Takes the personality out of some instruments. I prefer my gear a little bit shitty. :P Korg Volcas are trash, but they all have sweetspots. I also like that they're so damned cheap.
I really hope people will come up with good mods for Behringer gear. That's my main gripe with the Volca stuff, there's not all that much you can do to SMD without fucking up the whole board.
Yupp
Behringers new line is sweet. For the price alone it's amazing to have these available. It just opens up those sounds to a whole other generation of musicians. You could have 30k worth of vintage synths (if you tried to buy them now) in under 3k. Can't wait for the Linndrum clone which was all but confirmed in one of their videos on the Rhythm Designer
Yeah, it's the best time ever to be a synth enthusiast.
Behringer have change my studio . I'm not a great producer that can spend a lot of money for the best gear...but now i have an odissey, a tr 808 and a tr909 for 1000 euro this is the only good thing that the new century have become....the rest is war around the world
5:26 The biggest difference to me is here. SH’s filter resonance is more consistent when swept, where the MS drops slightly between harmonic intervals
Yeah the SH is sort of self-oscillating at frequencies that don't match a harmonic, whereas the MS is only boosting the actual harmonics - probably because the SH's max resonance is higher than that of the MS, but maybe the filter design could influence that too, I don't know.
Yes, i had the Sh101 and playing with those harmonics is beautiful. This sounds like a HUUGE difference to me.
"this video is brought to you by the youtube ad you just skipped" lmao
I did not skip them!! 😁
I didn’t skip them because I couldn’t.
I didn't skip them because i didnt get any
The bloody add was in the middle. And it was boring and i keep seeing it
That was really funny. I was about closing the video, couldn't close after hearing that
Fine job on the comparison sir and congrats to Behringer for getting past the Loopop gatekeeper :)
I design analog and plugin compressors and eq's, so analyzing synth sounds is new to me. I heard the subtle differences, but the only difference that mattered to me (because I *felt* it) was the wobbly-ness of the filter when sweeping resonances over harmonics. Calling it 'wobbly' was an amazing observation that would've exceeded my ability to quantify or describe, but I know I loved the vibe of it.
You're the fucken Kush guy. I love your plugs dude.
@@charlieaydin1377 House of Kush I'll second that. dope plugs.
Your plugins rule! Kaya FTW.....Would love to see that plugin appear on iOS for portable....
I owned an SH101 in the 80s and when my band would perform, I’d have to use the batteries because it would hum when plugged in. If the MS doesn’t and the SH still does, then I’d call that a fundamental win for the MS
Jesus christ someone get this man a DI box.
It doesn't take batteries
It's actually caused by a switching power supply. My SH-101 was very sensitive to this, when I used a more expensive power supply it was gone. So that might be helpful 40 years in the past.
I've heard quite a few comparisons where they do sound slightly different, but I think this is often because many people are simply putting the controls in the same place and comparing the sound, rather than tweaking the controls to match the sound. I think you did a great job of actually matching their sounds. I think for 99.9% of people, they sound "close enough." The other .1% probably does notice subtle differences because they're THAT familiar with the sound. And that's awesome, I personally think in certain cases the SH sounds SLIGHTLY better... but to me it's not worth the 4x price increase, let alone the hassle of dealing with vintage gear issues.
Now, I'd personally love to learn how to repair and modify vintage synths, especially because of the broken HS-60 that is leaning against the wall in my spare bedroom, but unfortunately I've never been able to find anyone willingly sharing any information online about vintage synth repair. If I ever learn how to figure it out for myself, you can bet I'll be making videos if possible to help other people learn more. I don't want these things to completely die off because the people who could repair them refused to share the knowledge.
I've had 4 SH-101s over the years. And I shall not be selling my latest. It's definitely here for keeps.... This time! Your demo was excellent. I could hear the differences same as when you pointed them out. But they aren't in anyway a major downer. I'd still get an MS as it sounds great and is a bargain!
"Isac would not agree to a droptest" haha
For $300 vs $1200+, I'd get the Behringer every time. They are nearly identical to the point that it does not even matter.
I ever prefer to buy something that I would spend less money. But something We have to think about is the duration of the components. Behringer uses components that, sometimes, loses their capabilities sooner then we spect, like knobs and sliders. Even thought U$900 is such a big difference.
@@cyrotelles7265 Not really the case anymore - the parts they use is the same in Moog etc, usually the same SMD components from... the same chinese factories. They should last a long time.
To make things funnier, companies like Elektron, DSI etc. are using coolaudio chips, which is part of behringer.
Unless you go for a red or blue SH-101, they're rarely over 700-800. I got my grey SH-101 for 700.
@@AshBashVids Good to know. Thank You!
@@AshBashVids and not know how much life it has left in it. With JV-1080's catching fire from shitty capacitors that are finally popping, and various other vintage gear reaching the end of their 30-year lives. At $300 for one or $600 for two...you know you get at least another 20 years and you could keep one boxed and shelved as a back-up if the first one fries and consider it a 40-60 year sound investment. Me personally? I'm lucky if I have another 20 years in my life, so the extra $400 I just don't see the appeal. There's tons of issues with chips going bad on older gear across all companies. These replicas/clones/wtf-evers not only allow for an affordable entry for those of us who can't afford to or generally can't justify dumping that kind of money on a piece of vintage gear, nor want to get involved in the immediate upkeep that often comes with said gear. In perfect conditions an SH-101 should last nearly forever. That means never having a single power fluctuation, no gigging, no smoke, rare dust, and only run for as long as it's rated for on the components. How many SH-101's out there have been in such perfect conditions? One? Maybe 2? Pretty much if isn't unopened, it's lifetime is unknown and being 30 years now, it's sitting in it's nursing home. I'd grab me a clone. Now, I'm off to order fuses that blew on my old Ensoniq.
"... And the UA-cam ad you just skipped.". That's hilarious. Great video as usual.
Ahaha, that was truly hilarious indeed
Man you are going crazy on these graphics and overlays. This looks amazing.
Yeah its really other worldly. I curious on how he makes them
A good comparison and video. I’d happily take a Behringer. I just want good sounds, and not bothered about watching ‘scope traces or a relative sound difference between this and the original
There are so many horrifically annoying people and videos on UA-cam so it's really nice to come across a video like this which is informative doesn't make you want to commit suicide because of the person's voice and does exactly what it says it's going to do in a succinct and interesting way. Thank you for your excellent video.
I've got to say that behringer is breaking me down, why pay more for a 30 year synth at 3 times the price that can break down tomorw? Thanks for the review!
Maybe we can get a follow up video in 30 years?
@@s90210h Given the build quality of the Deepmind, a follow up could be due in three to four years. (A friend's Deepmind has sliders and an encoder that create ghost values out of nowhere, without touching them. They also make wild jumps from low to high values upon just touching them. This after two years of light use. Programming it is an aggravating experience!)
Except, they don't brake for no reason. Roland's built like a tank
Yes, the Roland will last longer... but you can almost buy a brand new MS with a warranty for what it costs to repair a SH. Or, spend the same amount of money on 5 MS's instead of 1 SH, and put the others in storage. When your first MS breaks when out of warranty, take one out of storage and so on and so on.
Because the SH will go up in value.
This is a great video - it seems Behringer really did come very close to the SH-101 sound, but...
I think the portamento feature (glossed over at the beginning the video) is one of the main things techno producers want, and the MS doesn’t do it right (yet).
The lack of an unconditional “always on” glide mode means you can’t spontaneously add some “rubber” to your sequence while it’s playing back.
Also, I found the glide knob on the
MS-101 goes from “instant” (no glide) to “a bit too slow” - it is obviously a digital control. As it is though, the SH-101 can do much faster portamento than the MS.
Hopefully Behringer will resolve these discrepancies in a firmware update!
Thanks for the comparison.
Thanks! Just sayin' I didn't gloss over it - there are many features I didn't mention - I did mention that because I thought it was indeed important
Your comparison reviews are some of the best I've seen on you tube! 🤜🤛
I can hear *a* difference but I can't hear *the* difference. There's subtle differences in most cases but nothing I would ever care about in a mix.
Id love to try it blindfolded in a studio. I find my eyes fool my ears with these sorts of tests. I loved listening to the blind tests, I found I was roughly 50/50.
I would love for someone to add two 30 year old SH to equation. I bet the difference we hear is no different than comparing two vintage side by side.
u dont hear difference, u feel difference
@@AndrewKutcher I hear difference, not in the oscillator....in everything else.
Andrew Kutcher - you're talking about your wallet right?
I used to have an SH101 and forgot just how much I loved that Sub Osc!
Big thanks for making this!! Exactly the test we needed!
"its lighter, though that may mean its not as sturdy as the MS. i dont know, isak would not agree to a drop test" LMAO
I like a little bass with my resonance.
11:09 "Isak jam" more like "Isao jam". Hitting us with the Tomitan "vocals"
The stuff at the end of this video sounds really cool. 👌🏼
Coupla Behringer ADA-8000's here, six years old. One is completely dead, the other is dying. Both always ran very hot. Both have scratchy pots, these days you have to work the hell out of them to get any audio at all. Above 3/4 preamp gain, you might as well have a fuzzbox in the chain.
They were cheap, they worked well til they quit or started screwing up, and now.... I have a fair bit of critical wiring passing thru where a dead device used to live, soooi.. I can spend ANOTHER $200 on a new and improved box that is likely to die before I do... or, rewire a big piece of my rig, or, just leave the hole and work around it.
Thanks Uli. I knew I was was buying low end, no sweat, I don't always need great conversion.
I DIDN'T KNOW I was only renting low end, that they would die before I even finished wiring the rig.
The Octapre I bought at the same time cost $600, sounds good, the pots aren't scratchy, way less distortion at high fain and...
...it STILL WORKS FINE.
Behringer did a fantastic job here and other equipment they have recreated. Basically, they've done the job Roland should of. The boutiques? Ch!
Great video. There was more of a difference than i was expecting. Mainly the filter & VCO. However i've heard bigger differences between different Sh101's side by side. not all of them are the same. Some have more balls!
I legit spat out my coffee when you suddenly grew a third arm!
It’s my secret weapon for synths with only one LFO
@@WHIPTY I know the guys do, Mmmmmm!
Great vid. Behringer really have done a great job with this.
Well, I completely failed the blind test. Thought I was hearing different ones when it was really the same one, and vice versa.
What I learned from the test is the reason I love analog... it's not 100% flawless so every key press is a unique sound wave even if the settings haven't changed.
But yeah, I'd definitely go with the Behrigner version even if the were the same price. Practically identical sound, but it has a fancier sequencer and those extra FM knobs. Just wish it came in gray because the industrial look of the old one really appeals to me.
The MS-101 is SO close, it could be considered a revision of the original synth. There's probably more difference between different Minimoogs, Prophet Vs ect depending on the version. I think the Prophet V had three versions, some with SSM and some with Curtis chips.
For me the best part of the Roland SH-101 is the speed and shape of the envelopes. The Behringer MS-101 still seems well worth buying though.
Nice video. I would have liked to have heard what you did with the SH-101 at the end on the MS-101 or at least playing something similar.
Amazing side by side comparison mate. 2 things I pulled from watching.
1. Most of the hate from "purist" is nothing more than sour grapes because they either paid top dollar for an original and/or they're watching the resale market for them evaporate.
2. The difference is subtle enough that few can tell the difference and even fewer will be willing to pay up to $2K for a 30yr/old box. That midi mod won't come cheap either.
"...watching the resale market for them evaporate". Expterience shows that the price of the original hardware even rises when new clones appear. The hype puts these instruments in the focus and more people than before wanna buy the original piece.
@@weilhaltstudios Doesn't appear to have been the case upon the introduction of the Korg MS20 mini or their "ARP" Odyssey. Original examples of those 2 synths seem to have decreased somewhat in value.
Nobody is talking about the elephant in the room? 8:40... This man has three arms! 🤯
5:25 - This is one main reason why the old synth with the "wobbliness" (beating harmonics interference) have more "liveliness" and the newer ones often sound to "sterile" or clean. In a musical context this does matter even more then in a straight comparison. So to speak this often will create those sweetspots where the magic happens.
I've never felt the 101 is a synth for me, but your videos are so great informative and entretaining that i watch them even if i don't care about the synth hahaha, but this case is a bit different because i'm looking really close at what Behringer is doing, their clones are causing a lot of hype (and hate from some "purists") in the community... i'm waiting patiently for their OB-Xa clone.
I am waiting for the CS80 clone!
I promise you, this is the best coffee table synth ever made.
Micro adjustments of those faders produce an infinite number of textures and sounds.
Once you have a few basic rules about how she works you will find it difficult to make it sound bad.
Just buy the MS. And if your budget runs to it... Buy both.
You should hear the SH modded, brrrrrr brutal little machine.
Yeah, I also dig loopop's videos as he's just presenting the devices so damn well and thoroughly, that it already makes it super entertaining to watch/listen.
@@Franzware That CS-80 is going to take a while, they are only teasing some renders so I have no idea if they are already working on it at component level and then is the software development that takes more time... don't get me wrong I'm really excited for that one too Behringer is shaking the industry!
SH's filter is "more worbly and sparkly" generally because of the higher res. peak. It's visible on the spectrogram.
KiR-3d nah ms sounds fatter so that’s more important to me
@@georgegeorgio1751 very hard to recognize which is which on the blind test. At least saw sounds filtered sounds very similar.
Strange that they've made a shorter env. for MS. Maybe it's for snappier short sounds... don't know. If the env. had a usual scheme then it's easy to change just by changing a capacitor.
An excellent video on comparison, well done & my thanks sent over.
Regards
I love your videos man!
Smart video, as usual. The only difference I felt was that the no resonance filter sweep seemed a bit more buzzier on the SH, which i loved.
Gotta give it to the boffins over at Behringer. It's about 95% there. The remaining differences are so subtle that it doesn't really matter. Great comparison video!
Really good review and convinced me ha.
isak eliyau and also you ziv are two amazing guys!
thanks alot
A long jam with the MS-101 at the end would have been nice
Wow! Excellent video! I had no idea how many sounds and tweaks you could get out of a synth!
Great Video. Obviously owning the original is Wonderful but I have to agree, unless you have tons of disposable income most of the Behringer copies or homages of older synths are pretty amazing and a hell of a lot more affordable.
Looked away during the end-jam, then looked back over and momentarily thought "WTF it's the top of Loopop's head!" Then realized those weren't Loopop's hands. The mystery endures.
check out my interview with Suzanne Ciani on the channel - full frontal face reveal...
It's not like if you A, B two SH-101s they would sound exactly the same. Would they?
behringer has some very very talented engineers.
To my opinion, as many said, they sound ''the same'' when you consider the electric imperfection of pots and sliders / electronic. so basically, they may very well be considered approximately the same
Thinking about to get it and use it as bass synth for my Deepmind. Good idea or you can reccomend something else in simillar price?
sh sounds more round on my focal speakers :) Especcially the pwm. The filter sweep without resonance is smoother. While traveling the harmonics the ms distortes the harmonics in high frequenties.
The 101 is a classic, albeit I preferred the SH09. The MS is just as good and the price is great. To be honest the System 1 plugout's just as good, it's just that folks are allergic to digital :-P
almost as good*
I owned an SH-101 in the eighties. On the basis of this video only the lack of portamento would give me pause for thought if I felt I wanted to go there again.
Nice jam on the original at the end of the video BTW. It took me back :-)
I will stick with my SH-101, I bought it in 1983 for 182 GBP. I need to get my money's worth from it.
Paul J. Burns give it another ten years you’ll have about broken even
@@alexd0103 I waited 25 years to get the strap on modulation grip. At the time it was 50 quid which I considered way too expensive.
You're fortunate, wish I had and could afford an authentic SH-101
@@solaariz I need to service it, like all vintage kit it has problems and in this case it has developed tuning issues. This can be corrected, recappimg it and re calibrating etc. Cheers and regards.
Holy shit! Awesome job Behringer.
I never seemed to come across a really good SH-101 in decent shape for a fair price. I got the Intellijel Atlantis, and LOVED it so much. After a couple of years, I sold all of my eurorack and I miss it terribly. Its one of the few things eurorack that I really wish I still had. There is just something about the oscillator and filter which sound so pleasing to my ears.
Can’t wait to grab one of these. Sounds more than close enough for my ears. Also, glad that the noise on the MS is brighter. For me its harder to make use of pink, blue, or brown noise. Gotta be white noise for percussive sounds.
I've had 3 different SH-101's and they all had subtle differences in tones One of the grey's sounded the best to my ears while the other grey and the red one sounded good but not as great.
so good to have an SH101 you can tour with
A quick tip, on the MS1 you can lock the accent active by double clicking (during regular playing)
And the question is did Behringer do a good job "getting inspired" :p
Yo many points during this video I was like, "when is he gonna play the same thing on the other board?" And you were... Shit is eerily similar
Thanks for that very Informativ sound Experience !
Wish the end jam was on the MS-101 or duplicated on the MS-101 otherwise great video as always!
I rly like vertical plug in ports. its easier to plug and de-plug, u need less room and can better connect if you have a few synth-tools, u find faster an issue in this part.
should be a "new" standard again.
Bug Man not if it costs more room
The big difference is in the filter sweep. Watch how all of the harmonics come up around the fundamental harmonic as the filter comes down in the SH. This gives it that snarl. The MS's harmonics below the resonance do not change at all. Its a clean sweep. I like the old snarl better, but would i pay that much more for it? Maybe if i didn't already have a classic analog. But for $300 this is great.
I can't tell the difference between the sound but I can tell the difference between the sequencers.
edit:Who is Isak and where can listen to him play the SH-101 some more?
Im Isak, used to be musician, now i just make sounds :)
ua-cam.com/video/kB4HDK9T73c/v-deo.html
Awesome comparison.
I'm curious to why you didn't play with the MS at the end and only the SH?
I gave it back and the jam was just an off the cuff thing recorded a couple of days later - would have loved to jam with the MS too
MS101 sounds closer to the original than our Roland Gaia digital recreation lol.
Thank you, very interesting as usual ! You've certainly been asked about it thousands times, but what are the visual plugins ?
Indeed ;) scopes by Melda
Your videos are great and you explanation is perfect! Thanks so much!Helping me loads to build my set!!
Maybe for those on a budget would be cool to see a comparison between the smaller SH-01A and the MS-101 :)
33 people bought an sh101 for thousand bucks
No doubt
Were there any updates to the newest lines, firmare etc?
Good vid! thx
Honestly I prefer my SH-01A over both. Having the mono, unison, 4 voice poly and 4-voice chord modes alone is a big step up from either of these. Just can do a lot more with it.
Roland SH-01A FTW
I 'd love to see a comparison between the ms-101 and the sh-01a.
Love my SH-01A! Can’t beat patch memory and polyphony. Also metal case, unlike these toys ;-) But I may still get the Behringer for noodling with because it is so damn cheap... plus those CV ins should be fun - external sequencer velocity to filter etc.
And Superlative SB-1
Neo Luddite - I try to keep up with the acronyms, but what does "FTW" mean?
@@redirishmanxlt It means Fuc* the World. Jk, it's "For the Win"
Interesting comparison, could you identify the oscilloscopes used in your testing. I would very much like to have one.
Sure - scopes by Melda
About the envelope. You showed the maximum release time, but I feel it would be more interesting to compare fast envelopes with the filter, to see if there is any difference in character and 'snappiness' of the sound.
@MacXpert74 of course, that's the primary strength of the synth! Horrible "oversight" in this and all other behringer vs orig 101 comparisons.
Ha! I bought my blue SH-101 from a second hand shop from a guy who didn't knew. He sold it to me for 500 DKK = 67 Euros. Not mint, but definitely workable. Used it this morning, screams like hell :-)
I bet other people may have commented but it would of been nice to hear the SH-01a in there too. Even though it’s digital. I realize it’s not the point of the video, but I’m curious how all three match up.
I have the Behringer, and it sounds better than the virtual SH-101 in my opinion, there isn’t enough difference to get in a tizzy about! Isac knows his synth though!
I LOVE that Behringer is doing this. It sounds GREAT!!!! My only minor hang up is, I have no idea why they put a handle on the MS if it can't run off batteries. ????????? So you'll be tethered to a power source...... ?
VeganSynths Velcro on a power bank?
Interesting, but the blind test switched way to fast for me to take notes. I did hear some differences, but they're very subtle.
Hmmm. 4:16 I could hear quite the difference in the filters tbh, the roland has more low-mid warmth in it, the Behringer sounds pretty thin in comparison.
My test answers made me lose my train of thought after a few MS-SH-SH-MS..... Lol...
Unless you are in an 80s cover band, who really cares if they sound exactly the same??? 🤔
Great jam by Isak!
Johnny Moser don’t think so... why did Behringer add a new wave, new arp/seq, a different sounding filter, etc. etc?
Any floor noise difference between the 2 whilst idle?
The biggest difference isn't really in the sound, it's that the Roland is a longer lasting piece of gear. The MS isn't designed for longevity, or that isn't the intention, but rather it's meant to give beginners the ability to explore a similar, physical device without having to spend around $1000 on an original SH-101. With the best care though, I imagine an MS could last a few years.
oh well the sh also breaks. saw an interview with extrawelt recently. it´s their main synth for live and they always tour with two as one is always broken :)
8:39 3 arms????
It’s how I make my videos so quickly
$300? Wow Behringer, that's awesome!
most of the oscillator differences you show could be changed on the 'real' SH by internal tuning and/or changes to the circuitry over time. I'll put money on you seeing similar differences between two SH-101s
The CEM and filter chips in SH101s are pretty consistent. The variance would come from slider tolerance and to a much lesser extent, component tolerance.
The CEM chip in the MS101 is pretty much identical, but the filter difference seems to be more down to the waveforms overdriving it - turn down the volume of them a little bit and maybe we could do a better filter comparison.
@@AshBashVids the difference in aging on the surrounding resistors and capacitors, and the inherent variance of those resistors and capacitors, however, is not consistent. When electronic items are rated +-10%, that means there is a total of 20% possible variance on it, then age that item for thirty years, and see if it still responds identically.
Some of those differences, like in the square wave are due to capacitor aging on the original 101 , they are blocking some of the low end and making the square more trapezoid like.
@@nisios that is down to AC-coupling, not aging components. Especially the subosc, which is not even an analogue component. The capacitors often most affected are electrolytic, and they're often never in the audio path.
@@JKC40 you would just have increased instability, but generally most components outside certain capacitors fare well despite age. Electrolytic capacitors are generally nowhere near the audio generation side of things.
Also, you would have to account for the fact that the likes of the SH-101 are using ICs rather than discrete circuitry, which are generally have tighter tolerances.
the end of the video was hilarious :)
Yess
Got the ms101, and never had sh101. It is suriprising how the simple yet accesible architecture of this single vco synth is still fun to play and has wide variety of sweet spots. My only issue with ms101 is that it doesnt send any midi information except key note and velocity. At least pitch wheel and modulation would be welcome...
Ugh that is truly disappointing. As I understand it, their Odyssey clone is the same. But to be fair, I think adding a full MIDI implementation would have required adding digital elements into some originally-all-analog paths that would risk altering the sound. Not to mention of course require nontrivial R&D that would have jacked up the price. So they hit the Behringer crazy low price point and the tone of the original, but missed (what i consider) the most important opportunity for improvement. At least they added sequence banking, but reducing the step count to 32 is pretty weak, unless sequence chaining is simple and intuitive.
Still though - for $300 Im gonna get one :-)
Ryan Dean i use a daw for doing sequences so internal is just for fun for me
I got the MS-1 and I noticed right away that there was no dust protection on the sliders I was wondering if that was in error. Overall I really like this synth. I had an SH-101 22 years ago and the MS-1/MS-101 hits the spot.
maybe you can hear a difference. But I can see a difference in my bank account too.