Red Shift 468 Cam Kit Installation Video w/ TAB Performance Full System
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- This bike is set-up with the below options totaling $2,737.75 retail.
Redshift 468 Cam Kit $609
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TAB Performance Parts
2-1-2 Chrome Header $399.95
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4.5" Slip-ons $649.95
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Zombie Breath Intake $499.95
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Zombie Rings with Torque Cones $149.90
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Tuned with Dynojet Power Vision PV-2B $429
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Thanks for taking the time and having the patience to make this video. Very informative and very helpful.
This is awesome man. Thanks much. Even if you don't have right tools you can watch your indy guy working on your bike with knowledge of the what, why and how so you can make sure it's done right.
Awesome video you saved me a ton of money 9000 miles plus on the install tanks again
Glad to hear we could help :)
Superb video, especially the bit about the extra turns on the rods after dialling out the lash (which every other video I've watched has glossed over). :)
Best explanation of the cam and lifter explanation for preparing to removing the old pushrods. Ty you
Very informative in the right places. Well done. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the Great Video , I have the same Cam Kit arriving tomorrow and the Special tools by the end of the week. This is
Just the Video I Was Looking for ! Straight forward and to the point ! I haven’t changed a cam since my Evo days , not much different . Thanks again for sharing and the Confidence builder ! 👍
No problem, we appreciate the feedback. It is always nice to hear when something you put time into helps a fellow rider.
This video gives me the confidence to pull it off but I'm worried about having it all ripped apart then having some head scratching going on lol
Gerald Paul - 100%. In my early 20s I took apart an old .22 rifle that I inherited and it seemed simple enough.... soaked the parts in cleaner for a few days and then set them out to dry and prepare to reassemble but it seemed like the parts multiplied like little bunnies, so many tiny parts and difficulty finding diagrams online of this antique rifle..... ended up selling the stock, barrel, receiver and all of the parts in ziplock bags at a garage sale. Main lesson I learned..... detailed photos throughout the entire process will help you keep track of what goes where.
An easy way to setup the valves is to
Take the cam cover off first and align the timing marks together and than cylinder no 2 is ready to cut or be adjusted and when the timing marks are both on top cylinder no 1 is ready fastest way
Awesome work,I learned so much from this video,thank you very much
Is preload .001 or .100?…. I was under the impression it was .100
I would love to hear what this would sound like with the same header And the OEM mufflers. It would be such a sleeper
Awesome video. Simply gave me the confidence to tackle this myself. Just 2 questions. 1st when you put that small washer on the gear to measure with feeler guage where did you get the washer? What size was it? Seems like its an important washer if you need to maintain. 0009. 2nd do you use red locktite on everything? Or mix of blue and red? Would really appreciate any feedback!
Red loctite on the cam shaft bolt and pinion bolt. Blue loctite on everything else
Thanks for the video!! I'm sure all kinds of home mechanics will give you future advice on items done but I personally would have changed to plastic cuffs to s&s aluminum while you had it torn apart. 😉
I understand the comment and it is great for our customers, we like to do videos on the products we have available so we just showed the kit with the cam, but agree with your point. If we were doing a build we would do the same while it is apart.
I would have too but they rarely if ever go bad anyway, its just peace of minc, most harley mechanics never had a orginal one go bad though when you ask them
Great job. I noticed that yoy kept the original Cam Plate and Oil Pump: I thought it was compulsory to change both of them with high quality ones like S&S or Feuling. Good to know as I want to add a Red Shift 468 in my CVO Road Glide 2019.
To be honest, we split the videos just to show people, we actually have the HP+ kit in ours which you can see in another video. I don't think it would be required as we ran the way in this video for quite a while without issue, but for longevity I think its a worthy upgrade after doing both.
@@TABPerformance thank You for Your honest reply.
Thank u for clarifying how to set timing on camshaft and crank this process can be confusing when trying to time the engine after rotating engine several times
Glad to help
Best install video I've seen yet. Ty
That bike sounds bad a$$
I don’t understand why guys check the cam gear depth when reusing the factory cam plate. If you upgraded to aftermarket plate, yes check the 2 gears. But reusing the same cam plate, the gears will be the same as factory.
Very big Thank you for your video!! Good explanation. What’s your score on Dyno with this Cam ?
Are you sure about that lifter travel spec? Isn’t total lifter travel more like .200?
Jim, good catch, that was a mispeak. It is actually .1 for half the difference, so anyone else watching this, use the 4 turns as stated in the video do not try to go .001 (which is essentially nothing)
Great video. Is there a wait time when your top dead center before you can cut the pushrods?
If you're on top dead center you shouldn't have to wait. You can spin the push rods to check if they spin there's no pressure so you're good to cut them.
@@TABPerformance thank you.
The updated oil pumps have a gasket on the back of the oil pump
Can you do a dyno run..see what numbers its putting out with tab exhaust....👍👍
It won't be really soon as we are tied up on other projects, but it is certainly on the list. The bike runs awesome after the upgrades and pulls very well throughout. I know that isn't super technical though and we will be working on getting some of that information together as we move forward.
Thats what I came to see also
This one is pretty good.
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Is it just me i didnt see u install the new lifters
Thanks for the video. How long did the whole install take?
Hello, I would plan for most of a day. We took about 8 hours to complete but that is with video and daily work day interruptions. You could probably knock it out in 5 if you were focused on it by itself with normal tools.
Good video but..... you kept the low volume HD oil pump? you reused the plastic tappet keepers? The nice Billet aluminum ones are only $70.
We have another video covering the pump, this is just the install video for what comes in the kit.
What is the name of the tool that you use at 36:45 to install the head pipe flange retainers and where did you get it? I've looked all over the place and I can only find traditional snap ring pliers that are made for clips with holes. This tool makes it easy, I've never seen them installed that fast before. Thanks.
I believe you are referring to the piston ring pliers www.summitracing.com/parts/lil-33500?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKCAjwvOHzBRBoEiwA48i6AooFtLvEqXpSYfFuOq2ojVRIA7L35NXUNu75Qaz6YrSAGQ7kCFH9ExoCbOEQAvD_BwE
Thanks
When your measuring the sprockets with the 9,000 gauge to make sure it’s in spec before putting chain on. What are you measuring with the feeler gauge???
Just curious are there any issues using the stock oil pump and camplate? Thanks
You can on the newer models that are past the sumping issues but when the chest is open we do recommend just upgrading them while you are in there.
These the cams you suggest to work best with your headers and slip ons?
They are great cam options from a great company that we know to be reputable and good with standing behind their product. I can't say its the best though, as they all have strengths that make whichever cam you choose unique. The part we love about RS cams is the rideability of the 468. It is just a good useable power curve, not coming on too late or too early.
Awesome video. I am curious which passenger floor boards are on the bike.
To be honest, I don't remember exactly who those were. Just a brand carried by westend motorsports that we picked up and tossed on there. They have worked out well though.
Superb Video!
Now a very important question to me, and of course all the others who cruise at low rpms
What is the torque at 1800 rpm? Any measures done?
From some charts, It looks like the 468 curve declines, even below stock torque at speeds below 2000 rpm??
I don't have a chart at 1,800 and most charts drop off substantially at that point as they aren't really logging until higher in the RPM so when it starts to really fall off and get squirrely on the chart that is just noise and not anything that is actual. I can tell you from riding the bike pre and post install the 468 cam is not worse on torque at that stage of RPM.
@@TABPerformance Great to read! But can you say its stronger around 1800 compared to stock.? Trying to figure put wether the cam will be Worthy an upgrade or not. Surely I ride up to 2400-2600 sometimes but mostly its city riding, hence bottom end torque favors.
From the seat of the pants dyno, I do feel like it has more power all the way through. I don't have a chart for that, but it seems to pull stronger from the jump.
What kind of tuner did you use to organize it? I have to organize it with a tuner, right? Don't you have a lot of fever?
You will need to tune the bike. We use the Dynojet products that you can find on our site. You will need to have a performance shop tune the bike still.
@@TABPerformance Thank you for your answer. That was a great help to your choice. Good job.
Awesome and sounds great!
Thank you.
how much louder is the complete tab exhaust than the tab slip ons?
It depends on motorwork, but bone stock other than exhaust it is not too much louder, but the note gets deeper. It is louder for sure, but until you put in aftermarket cams it doesn't get crazy loud on the M8s.
@@TABPerformance thanks for your response so I am thinking about getting a torque cam and tab slipons with zombie baffle because they say complete exhaust voids warranty but imnot sure i care about warranty :)
I hear yah, that is always a tough decision for sure. I would say that a good torque cam and proper tune is going to void warranty anyway unless you stay with the Screaming Eagle stuff from H-D which being compliant will make it less effective. Still good product and if keeping warranty in tact is important then thats a good choice. If you think you might void warranty anyway by going to a full exhaust doing up front would allow you to get a better cam from jump and closer to what you are hoping to get from your bike. Just a little insight from what we've seen customers do, no right answer.
@@TABPerformance they talked me into get stage 4 kit to keep warranty intact but received crappy service after giving them my money ... I will be taking my bike somewhere else but I am happy with the sound so far
Glad to hear you are happy with the sound, sorry to hear you did not receive good service on the build side of things. Let us know if we can help in any way.
would you say its ok to use red Loctite on all the interals inside the camchest
So, question. I saw in another vid that a vernier gauge was used to set the depth of the cam-bearing into its hole ("It can't just be bottomed-out as in TC installations"). That didn't appear to be done in the vid above. Is the depth critical?
We used the Jims tool and a spec for depth, but another good way to make it easy is to measure depth before and put the new cam bearing into that depth.
@@TABPerformance Thanks dude. :) Just to add, I've now watched a third vid on this (Cam change on M8) and he says to bottom the bearing in its hole same as on a TC jobby. :)
@@Panzerlang there is no bottom to the bearing hole. It’s straight through to the crank. Has to be set right depth
What type of oil or lube are you using
tab whas your thoughts, I'm thinking about doing a stage II upgrade utilizing your zombie pipes, what cam and headers you think will maximize the loud effects?
We like the 2 into 2 headers for more of the true dual sound along with the RS468 cams for 107s and 472 if running a 114 or 117
Great video... :-)
Is a new cam plate and oil pump not neccisary for just the cam kit?
No it is not necessary for just the cam kit, but while the cam chest is open it is easiest to do together if you are going to do both.
Did you need to retune the injectors after putting the cam in?
We did not upgrade the injectors if that is what you are asking. We did however use the powervision to have a tune made specific for the bike and had to have a specific map made for AFR and timing etc.
What was the crank runout on this bike.
What’s the cost for this upgrade?
There is a link in the description to the product listing with pricing details etc.
How long did this install actually take?
It was a full day, but that is very tough to figure true install time when you are also filming and editing along the way. Usually install is about half of a video install.
They use different sized bolts for left vs right exhaust?
Yes, the Right Hand Muffler is a larger OD so different clamp.
Awesome 👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks 👍
Does installing this cam kit void the factory warranty?
Absolutely does. Only dealer installed SE parts within 60 days of purchase maintain warranty
Do you have to have a tuner to install the , probably a dumb question
Not a dumb question and absolutely yes you have to tune to do cam work.
@@TABPerformance Oil pump is not neccesary to switch on a 2020 Softail, since they upgraded the oil pumps. Right?
My dealer has a Kit of RS468 without the pump and claims the above.
you still pretty happy with the red shift 468 cam??
The 468 is a proven cam and it’s what most shops recommend near me. Zippers has been around along time and they did a great job. If you plan on going 124 or 128 it’s not for you. But bang for your buck, AC, Zippers 468, and Thundermax Tuner for 107’s and 114 you can’t beat it. It doesn’t have that twin cam sound but I still haven’t heard any M8 sound like a twin cam. Go get it!
Anybody know the name of this song ?
Any other way to pull cam bearing out?
No. 1 way to do it.
What tuner you running on this bike guys?
We used the Zippers redshift 468 cam for this bike. www.tabperformance.com/product-p/red-shift-cam-kit.htm
Did you dyno tune or use a canned map?
We actually put on a dyno, but I've had customers use a canned map and have success.
Any Dyno numbers after you put this kit on??
102.5HP, 118.08 TQ that was on a 107
What idle are you running it at?
There is a progressive table on this but the bottom right so 96 Celsius and 25 seconds on is 900.
what lube you using
Redline assembly lube is what we used.