The Truck Market Finally COLLAPSED. And Buyers are DONE Overpaying!

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  • Опубліковано 14 кві 2024
  • I traveled to several dealerships to show you guys what current inventory and easily identifiable discounts look like. Not only are interest rates super high right now but MSRPs have gotten out of control. Thankfully many of the dealers are finally coming back down to Earth on their pricing below MSRP.
    Thoughts?
    2024 Toyota 2024 Ford F150 2024 Subaru 2024 Silverado
    #trucks #Toyota #Ford #Chevy #Subaru #hyundai #f150 #4runner #tacoma

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  • @jstar1000
    @jstar1000 22 дні тому +111

    I was once buying a vehicle from a stealership and the guy at the closing table handed me a card for "FREE" oil changes for a year I think it was. I said I live too far away and won't be driving here for a "FREE" oil change and do them myself anyway. He said well take it anyway, you never know. When I was going over the paper work there was a $400 fee with some strange verbiage. I was like, what is this $400 for? He said some stupid stuff and said everyone pays that. I was like What is it for? over and over until he finally said it was for the "FREE" oil changes. I was like take it off or I'm walking. We went back and forth and I should have just walked but I was like an hour and a half in the process and they finally took it off. What a scummy way to do business.

    • @stuartstuart866
      @stuartstuart866 22 дні тому +6

      I wonder what percent of consumers pay attention and hold their ground like you did.

    • @Hardstyler981
      @Hardstyler981 22 дні тому +5

      Similar situation here but they were adding windows,tires and windshield for "free" but you had to still pay a deductible

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +8

      Good for you for being vigilant in identifying what you were being charged for and then for holding them accountable!

    • @jstar1000
      @jstar1000 22 дні тому +11

      @@AutomotiveAnonymous208 Yeah I hate all the added fees and crap so i go over all that with a fine tooth comb and try to get them to remove or pay for them them selves. Sometimes it works sometimes it don't. It was the finance guy I was dealing with. When I walked out of the office and saw all the people waiting I said look at your paperwork folks and look for the $400 fee for the free oil changes they are scamming you on. The finance guy was pretty pissed at that remark but they deserved it.

    • @ejt3708
      @ejt3708 21 день тому +3

      So many of the stealerships I talked to were trying to rip me off. I think the key is not getting excited and expecting anything more than frustration. Or, get a Tesla or Rivian. The price is the price.

  • @makdaddy8399
    @makdaddy8399 22 дні тому +71

    I wouldn't pay $50k for that Bronco......

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 18 днів тому +3

      That's 25k over what I would pay for a essuvee. If it had a V8 or if it got better than 23mpg I'd think about it... But 15 and a turboshitbox ? Double no thanks!

    • @Punkpsychobilly
      @Punkpsychobilly День тому +1

      Seriously man. I know I’m old and ignorant but I just cannot separate the idea of a 3 or 4 cyl engine from the term Econo-$hitbox. These people are nuts paying anything over $25k for a vehicle with a 4 cyl. Dumping turbos on tiny engines that haul huge vehicles is a recipe for disaster. .

  • @ryand4940
    @ryand4940 22 дні тому +36

    When the vehicle is 30k over priced and they take off 15k. It’s still very far from a deal.

  • @johns818
    @johns818 23 дні тому +172

    Since 2021 MSRP increased 35% to 60% depending on brand. Who cares if they are no longer marking up.. MSRP is ridiculous on its own.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +5

      Thanks for sharing this, and absolutely! I’ve noticed the same thing, at first it seemed frustrating that some dealers were price gouging, but now that many of them have simmered down it does truly seem to be primarily the manufacturers living in imagination land of what they think their cars are worth.

    • @Hschlick84
      @Hschlick84 22 дні тому +4

      The invoice prices should be the actual MSRP, while the actual invoice prices should be $10k below that.

    • @1truthseeking8
      @1truthseeking8 21 день тому +1

      ​@@AutomotiveAnonymous208what is the purpose of a TRX? seriously, is there any actual utility to the vehicle? Or is it just a street race vehicle?

    • @rastus666
      @rastus666 21 день тому +2

      MSRP, money suckers really pay

    • @Roko-jb5hl
      @Roko-jb5hl 20 днів тому +6

      Classic grocery store technique. Raise the price of item by $2. And then offer a $0.25 coupon.

  • @portercbl
    @portercbl 22 дні тому +204

    NOT ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES ARE WORTH MORE THAN $35000!

    • @richardweyland116
      @richardweyland116 21 день тому +15

      Blame the EPA and FJB for high MSRP.

    • @ryanlight1013
      @ryanlight1013 21 день тому +6

      They aren’t worth a dollar!

    • @anthonyrowland9072
      @anthonyrowland9072 21 день тому

      @@richardweyland116Remember when Joe gave Ford $750 million in tax cuts and they just did stock buybacks and laid off 7000 people?
      Oh wait that was Trump lmao...

    • @bOOmbOOmProd
      @bOOmbOOmProd 20 днів тому +3

      A fool and their money.

    • @OtisFlint
      @OtisFlint 19 днів тому +6

      Lol, $35k is nothing anymore. The dollar is worthless. FDT & FJB

  • @littlestinker9716
    @littlestinker9716 23 дні тому +145

    Almost guaranteed those dealers have way more vehicles hidden on satellite lots. Still the same games. Don't fall for it.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +10

      It’s literally so crazy that some dealers decided to play the supply and demand game that dirty lol.

    • @Smarterthanyou-mthrfkr
      @Smarterthanyou-mthrfkr 22 дні тому

      Yep, hold off one more year. They are in panic mode right now

    • @Hardstyler981
      @Hardstyler981 22 дні тому +1

      You are 100% right during lockdowns u had to preorder a vehicle and pay an extra fee for "delivery" they basically already have them

    • @richardweyland116
      @richardweyland116 21 день тому +2

      I've seen it. I was driving through MO and saw about 100 new cars parked by a fence near the hwy and the dealership was off in the distance...There were more than one Ford dealerships loaded with cars.

    • @mitch4149
      @mitch4149 21 день тому +1

      @@Romanio77made in China… must be super reliable 😅

  • @jeffrey3498
    @jeffrey3498 23 дні тому +89

    I remember when it was ridiculous and absurd to pay MSRP, and it is, but the dealers have everyone brainwashed that MSRP is good deal. It wasn't a good deal in the past, and it's not a good deal now.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +5

      Good insight! I remember always hearing and expecting full size trucks would have 10-15K off their sticker. I never understand and still don’t why the manufacturers put such high MSRPs out there if they’re ultimately going to do huge discounts and rebates. 🤷‍♂️🤔

    • @jeffrey3498
      @jeffrey3498 23 дні тому +6

      @@AutomotiveAnonymous208 And a good point on your part 😃👍
      I always thought of MSRP as a starting point for negotiations. I guess it’s a retail price, not the price anyone would think of paying. The manufacturer has to put some price out there, and they are, of course, in business to make money.
      The bottom line, with exceptions, like entry level base model cars etc., is that if a buyer pays MSRP, the dealer is making way too much profit that is totally unfair to the customer. Essentially gouging.

    • @flybriur
      @flybriur 22 дні тому +3

      For sure. No way I'd pay MSRP unless it's a brand you're buying directly from the manufacturer where you have no choice (like Tesla). I'm used to paying under MSRP - my last two cars were less than sticker. I got my new car back in July 2020 before all the COVID stuff really affected supply and prices skyrocketed, and was able to get close to 30% off MSRP on my vehicle.

    • @sethdecamp4919
      @sethdecamp4919 21 день тому +5

      And just remember high volume dealers don’t pay dealer invoice either - so when they show you “dealer invoice” and tell you that’s what they paid for it they are lying.

    • @David.D3
      @David.D3 18 днів тому +2

      I also think the baby boomers knew how to haggle. My current generation gives in too easily and everyone knows it

  • @JSBowling2011
    @JSBowling2011 22 дні тому +40

    Who in their right mind would pay that much for any Bronco? It's absurd

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +2

      I saw one in Las Vegas a few months ago that had a 15k mark up and it was just on a regular 2 door model… 🤢

    • @thisisashan
      @thisisashan 10 днів тому

      I see them all over the university I work at. So basically all the teachers that are teaching your kids to hate white people and mutilate their childrens genitals.

  • @jeffdungey5848
    @jeffdungey5848 20 днів тому +19

    Collapse??? When the the prices are forced down to reality,then we'll begin to call it a collapse....these prices are still escalated.

  • @allanpontiere6177
    @allanpontiere6177 22 дні тому +45

    So not paying any mark ups and just paying MSRP with high interest rates is now called a “collapse?” 😅

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +5

      I more meant to articulate that the car market is collapsing as in it’s broken. Manufacturers over valued their vehicles to the point that regular people can’t afford anything remotely close to what they now cost.

    • @sabastian4858
      @sabastian4858 21 день тому +4

      @@AutomotiveAnonymous208 broken would have been the better word to use. Words mean things.

  • @jeffp5418
    @jeffp5418 21 день тому +39

    The new tacomas are not selling. Toyota just doesn't understand their buyers anymore no one wanted a 4-cylinder truck and their priced too high for the customer that would like something like this. Tundras are now filling up lots and collecting dust as well.

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 18 днів тому +1

      Tfl had a great video on that... 45k for a basic no feature baby truck with cloth seats and no heat? Get bent!

    • @thisisashan
      @thisisashan 10 днів тому

      @@breckfreeride Or 80k for an experimental hybrid truck with actual truck features (4wd, can offroad, etc) that may or may not have the longevity that old toyotas had.
      Sad.

    • @asajayunknown6290
      @asajayunknown6290 6 днів тому +1

      Well, I'd love a 4 cylinder if it didn't have a turbo, and four doors, and a tiny bed. A little '90s-style pickup would sell out quickly. Hilux or a Dmax, but they're not allowed here in the US.

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 6 днів тому

      @@asajayunknown6290 b series... Mmmm

  • @ralphkeith2905
    @ralphkeith2905 23 дні тому +49

    After you said they were charging $250 for door edge guards, I looked up the prices of door edge guards on Amazon. The most expensive I could find was $20 for 32'. I hope dealerships like this go out of business.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +5

      Thanks for looking that up! I’m sure 32’ would cover 2 full vehicles. $480 profit for a couple minutes of work, not bad. 😜 I could see them charging $50 bucks a vehicle, but $250 is just wrong lol.

    • @nadaname391
      @nadaname391 23 дні тому +9

      Yep, Stealerships.

    • @donbuidb
      @donbuidb 22 дні тому +4

      Some of them charged $395 for a piece of crap

    • @b13turbo
      @b13turbo 21 день тому +3

      You check how much they charge to install floor mats. It is crazy

    • @gordonmckenney4525
      @gordonmckenney4525 16 днів тому +2

      Last Door Edge Guards Were I've bought was $12 for A set of four Universal

  • @jddonahue2
    @jddonahue2 22 дні тому +21

    they increase prices 30-40% then give you a 5-10% discount and call it a sale? I dont think so.

  • @Space_Cowboy_Revolver
    @Space_Cowboy_Revolver 21 день тому +18

    I still can't believe people will shell out money for a vehicle over 40k.

  • @billyoh1966
    @billyoh1966 22 дні тому +47

    Prices need cut in half, before anyone thinks about buying

    • @jmyers6175
      @jmyers6175 20 днів тому +6

      Cut the price in half. 🇺🇲

    • @hereweare9011
      @hereweare9011 14 днів тому +1

      Only way that will happen, moving forward, is a market crash/recession.

    • @farmer9180
      @farmer9180 4 дні тому

      $98000.00 for a f250 plus tax and tag over$100000.00 guess I will go out and buy2.

    • @Yaroshi86
      @Yaroshi86 4 дні тому

      Yep looking at used myself since the family is growing.

  • @raymond_rnt
    @raymond_rnt 23 дні тому +42

    Toyota has lost its mind! WTF!

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +1

      I think we can only assume the used 2024 4R TRD PRO in Terra also had between 2 and 22 miles, lol.

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 18 днів тому +2

      Stelantis is worse... They raised prices 50% in the last three years

  • @Iamthatiam00
    @Iamthatiam00 22 дні тому +26

    They are still way too expensive
    $100k for a Ford Bronco!!. With the rise in interest rates, unemployment and no increase in pay raise makes these vehicles very costly.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +2

      And TBH no body actually needs a Bronco Raptor and very few who can afford one will actually use it to destroy off road, lol. It would be much less expensive to build your own off road we with fewer electronics that can break while off road and potentially out of cell service.

  • @MyLifeThai371
    @MyLifeThai371 20 днів тому +21

    My grandparents drove the same car for 36 years and the same pickup truck for 30 years. No reason to pay these ridiculous prices! Engiñes and transmissions can always be replaced when they wear out.

    • @GeorgeZimmermen
      @GeorgeZimmermen 3 дні тому

      They must have drove 1k miles a year if that’s true. That’s not feasible for normal people who actually do stuff instead of sit at home and wait for their social security check

  • @MrTom-kl7hy
    @MrTom-kl7hy 21 день тому +16

    I'll believe it when the companies stop overbuilding trucks. Where is the single cab, 8ft. bed small to medium sized truck that makes sense for so many?

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 18 днів тому

      They should have done that 3 years ago but they were making too much money

  • @madmatt1964ify
    @madmatt1964ify 22 дні тому +26

    This makes my head spin. So much money for a truck? Some houses cost less! Who's buying them?

  • @shoegum7362
    @shoegum7362 22 дні тому +22

    Serves these dealers right for ripping everyone off for the past 5 years. Should ask for a $10k credit for being there to buy

  • @NGMonocrom
    @NGMonocrom 23 дні тому +60

    $86K for a used Bronco? Dealerships still greedy as heck. Just a tiny bit less so.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +8

      Yeah! I didn’t realize those originally MSRP’d for “only” 73k, lol. I can’t believe the dealer would post the original window sticker while asking 86k haha.

    • @gobsmacked230
      @gobsmacked230 22 дні тому

      Evil bloodsuckers...y'all need to calculate the monthly payment with 20% down ,(y'all do have that don't you?). I have no idea who is buying these things...and how they're getting approved for the ridiculous, budget-busting loans. Wise up people!

    • @garrettjensen5647
      @garrettjensen5647 22 дні тому +5

      That’s insane

    • @truthbetold9923
      @truthbetold9923 20 днів тому +2

      A ferd bronko that nothing more than a ferd escape repackaged...ferd quality job 1 is a joke...all brokecos being recalled already due to fire probably occurring due to plastic parts on fuel system... recall work doesn't fix the problem it's just a bandaid😂

    • @NGMonocrom
      @NGMonocrom 19 днів тому +1

      @@truthbetold9923
      The Bronco is actually a very capable off-road vehicle. The Bronco Sport is a marketing joke that has nothing to do with the Bronco.

  • @EchoAccord
    @EchoAccord 22 дні тому +17

    90k is not normal for a bronco

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +1

      I don’t think I specified that they are both Bronco Raptors, but yes, over valued.

  • @jamespn
    @jamespn 21 день тому +13

    In 1970 a new Ford Bronco with a 302 V8, am radio with a half cab was $4,200. Even then it wasn’t cheap.

    • @deanh7190
      @deanh7190 20 днів тому +6

      If you use an inflation calculator then that 4,200 in 1970 equates to $33,809 in 2024.

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 18 днів тому +1

      ​@@deanh7190and the new one comes with a crap turbo...

    • @jay-vd6rt
      @jay-vd6rt 8 днів тому

      The 60s and 70s broncos were built 10 times better than today’s junk!

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride 8 днів тому

      @@jay-vd6rt they were much more simple...

  • @iTrove
    @iTrove 22 дні тому +10

    Completely absurd prices. I have to believe most people have completely given up hope and/or are simply ignorant about math and money. Really really sad.

  • @MichaelFort-jr3dp
    @MichaelFort-jr3dp 22 дні тому +14

    Buyer's done over paying ??? lol, those vehicles are STILL way too expensive. 95 thousand for a truck ? dropped to 75 thousand ??? omg, that's insane. Plus nobody wants EVS and now we're finding out that GM is moving to Mexico !!! If all these Trucks were 25k, 35k or even 45k, THEN I think people would come on out to buy vehicles. But, NOT when the average household income is 75 thousand for the average family. Let those trucks sit on the lots and rust. And with all the engine problems some of these trucks are experiencing. Thanks, but no thanks.

  • @donays8241
    @donays8241 22 дні тому +8

    Walk away, you have the authority, the power to say no.
    They will call you back and will offer you good savings

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +3

      I once did that when selling a Tacoma and got a call a few days later offering me 4k more, which was finally a fair deal lol.

  • @mikeypoo2211
    @mikeypoo2211 21 день тому +6

    I work at a Ford dealer. I've driven and worked on these newer trucks and SUV's. Been driving a leftover 2023 3.5 XLT CC F150 on odd service runs all week. Nice truck, comfortable, quick but not a gas hog. MSRP is I think a little over $60k, they probably have a $5k markup on top of that. Do I think it's worth that? No, nope not at all and especially for a mid trim truck or a pickup to begin with. I think they need really need to look at their pricing and packaging. I've said it many times before. They've priced these vehicles WAY out of the range of what the intended market audiences can afford or are willing to pay. The chasing of higher profit margins is gonna lead them all to ruin.

  • @327musman
    @327musman 22 дні тому +13

    Small trucks like tacoma still twelve thousand dollars over what it should be. The full size trucks are even worse.When full size get down into the high 40s in mid-fifties.I'll purchase again until then.I'm out.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +5

      I bought my 2017 Tacoma access cable new for 27k lol. And at the time a loaded Denali 6.2 Silverado could be had for

  • @coryhamelehle6439
    @coryhamelehle6439 23 дні тому +10

    I really like how you brought up average family household income. Because it really shows that a majority of people cannot afford these 'work' trucks. It's pretty bad when you can either have a truck, or a downpayment for a house...

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +4

      Yeah, absolutely! And if it’s wise to spend less than 10% of your income on all transportation costs that puts the average family at about 4$-500 total expenses (insurance, gas, tires/maintenance and a car payment??). I don’t know how the average family gets by in this economy… 🤒

    • @siseley1
      @siseley1 19 днів тому

      @@AutomotiveAnonymous208 SUPER LONG CONTRACTS...SUPER HEAVY IN DEBT

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  17 днів тому

      It’s a trap!

  • @ultimateinspector4901
    @ultimateinspector4901 23 дні тому +13

    Collapsing, yes, but it has a long way to go before I buy another one. People are out here paying 800, 900 and 1000 dollars for cloth seats 😂. That was 300, to maybe 500 dollars 10 years ago.

  • @JohnDoe-xm9ql
    @JohnDoe-xm9ql 19 днів тому +5

    With these discounts...
    They are still way more expensive than they should be.
    Waiting for pigeons to land 😂.

  • @jimeditorial
    @jimeditorial 22 дні тому +10

    The middle class is disappearing....Detroit only builds for the top 10 percent of the market. We're going to see Chinese low cost vehicles in many American driveways. Most people need to go out the door at under 30K

  • @johnlacroix1639
    @johnlacroix1639 22 дні тому +6

    All new cars an trucks looks like they should be in the comic books

  • @audriusbaranauskas6227
    @audriusbaranauskas6227 23 дні тому +21

    So the tables are starting to turn...Thanks for the info!

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +2

      Yeah, of course! I have a lot of fun checking out dealer lots in different towns. Overall on this trip things are looking a bit better, other than my concern with those TRD PRO models that are like “fake used”? I’d be curious to go back to Vegas and see if they’ve settled down any as that was the most extreme mark ups and add ons that I’ve seen period. 😟

    • @ryand4940
      @ryand4940 22 дні тому +5

      Still haven’t turned nearly enough

  • @beeslandscaping
    @beeslandscaping 23 дні тому +11

    You better believe it, especially they’re gonna keep raising interest rates who can live anymore.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +4

      Seriously! It’s wild how much more difficult it is for people to start out or even get by now than just a few years ago. 😕

  • @jamesdallas1493
    @jamesdallas1493 22 дні тому +11

    Bring back the Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit and the Chey. spark.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +4

      Yes!! And a more safe version of the Mitsubishi Mirage. I reviewed one last year and had a lot of fun with that video lol.

  • @jerrycarter1928
    @jerrycarter1928 21 день тому +3

    One of the hidden costs of owning a truck - the insurance. I had a 2002 F150 with a V-6 with a clean driving record - it went up 50% in the last year. I was shocked.

  • @Moondoggy1941
    @Moondoggy1941 22 дні тому +9

    15:51 A couple of reasons why it has 22 miles on it, they wanted to be able to sell it for a lot more money than the MSRP, so they drove it to get coffee and now our selling it as a CPO and the other reason is they get the credit for selling the vehicle as new.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +3

      Such ridiculous reasons, but I’m concerned that you’re exactly right haha.

    • @jmyers6175
      @jmyers6175 20 днів тому +2

      That's what car salesmen do. Play with the numbers.

    • @Moondoggy1941
      @Moondoggy1941 20 днів тому

      @@AutomotiveAnonymous208 what Heard that the manufactures were telling the dealers that if you mark up your vehicles we will reduce your shipment, so to kill tow birds with one stone, sell the car to yourself, drive to the gas station get a coffee and then sell it as a CPO for 7 over MSRP, they could have been caught with a glut of used cars and no buyers.

  • @dannypinyan3949
    @dannypinyan3949 22 дні тому +5

    The interest payment on our debt is 1.6 trillion this year. We owe 36 trillion if I were to give you a dollar a second. It would take me 32500 years to pay one trillion dollars.

  • @Jay-bw3fl
    @Jay-bw3fl 23 дні тому +9

    Not gonna lie the clickbait thumbnail made me click just to find out where 4runners where $19500 off lol good one

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +2

      Oh sorry about that! I really like 4Runners so I usually include a line of them as the cover photo unless I find a better line up on cars. The price drop is usually the biggest mark-up or decrease that I can find between lots…😅

  • @dannypinyan3949
    @dannypinyan3949 22 дні тому +8

    If you lower interest rates, you increase inflation. If you raise interest rates, you raise the interest on the debt, which is already 1.6 trillion dollars. We're the brokest country in the world. We just don't know it.

    • @jmyers6175
      @jmyers6175 20 днів тому +2

      You're right 33.1 trillion and climbing.

  • @electriclott
    @electriclott 22 дні тому +6

    How is the regular working guy EVER going to afford even a 70k truck?? I have no idea who they are making these trucks for.

    • @georgewashington7574
      @georgewashington7574 15 днів тому

      The government and share holders

    • @Outlaw0311
      @Outlaw0311 6 днів тому +1

      All of this is a stepping stone to force the masses in government transportation

  • @Jenna08848
    @Jenna08848 22 дні тому +8

    2023 lightning with a 2 year old battery. Wow what a bargain. NOT!

  • @jmyers6175
    @jmyers6175 20 днів тому +5

    Most buyers of full-size trucks pass the Tundra. Twin turbo v6 highbrid for a better v8 or diesel. Tundra should have kept v8. Now garbage.

  • @reginaldsandiford801
    @reginaldsandiford801 23 дні тому +4

    I just want to say great video and very well done. Thanks for looking out for us. You mentioned you switched to Subaru. Do you plan on going to a Subaru dealership and making a similar video?

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +2

      Thank you, I really appreciate you deciding to watch it!
      I’ve actually gone to a Subaru dealership in 1 or 2 of these videos, it was near the end of the video. I wanted to show a really good and transparent dealer, similar to what this Nissan/hyundai dealer group seemed to be like. Where every car has a bottom dollar price and below MSRP, and many even showed low interest rates as well. But because this type of video I literally title and cover photo basically the exact same (with subtle photo differences) I don’t know which one it was without clicking through them, lol. 😅
      I loved my two Tacomas, but for my needs I find Subaru is a better vehicle and value. I have lots of Subaru videos and reviews on my channel.

  • @4runner4ever83
    @4runner4ever83 22 дні тому +5

    Those with the money and dont care about the price don't really help lower the cost. If everyone dont buy for this insane prices, they are going bankrupt. Buyers have the power if we unite.

  • @stub4488
    @stub4488 22 дні тому +3

    I went with a female friend to help buy a car. At the end when they handed over the keys it was a different car with less bells and whistles.

  • @michaeltipton5500
    @michaeltipton5500 22 дні тому +4

    Some of these trucks cost more than my new house did back in 1996.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +1

      That’s crazy, lol. I can’t imagine saying that, but I’m sure in 15-20 more years I’ll also be saying that if things don’t change! 😅😳

  • @javierhowe3665
    @javierhowe3665 20 днів тому +2

    Think about it like this. These manufacturers take a fair bit of money to make these cars so there’s a reason they are going to be expensive with or without the markups. But it also does come down to who will buy those cars for those inflated prices because the only reason they would mark them up is if they feel like someone will pay the added amount for that variant of car. Which is exactly why people not buying it did the exact opposite and I think that’s why we see the market starting to decline. We are the biggest advocates for the prices. What we are willing to spend and what we are willing to live without makes the market what it is. Agree or disagree. The proof is literally right there lol

  • @jimijamessegoviafeerick1355
    @jimijamessegoviafeerick1355 6 днів тому

    Hey,
    Thanks for some good info. I liked the format and I'm looking forward to your next video. Hopefully we'll see some trends indicating a price rollback by dealership says as well as the manufacturers.
    You're right. Prices have come down but only slightly.
    These guys used the pandemic and it's impact on supply to jack up prices. But so did the manufacturers. Yeah the dealerships marked vehicles up over MSRP and many nitwit customers are to blame for encouraging this behavior by actually paying those exorbitant markups.
    So now when you look around at the landscape, new vehicle MSRPs are obscene and used car prices are terribly inflated as well.
    The $3,000 to $8,000 discount that we are now beginning to see is nowhere near enough. I think the effect of inflation on food, energy, mortgage rates, rent, gasoline, you name it, is beginning to finally wake people up.
    I believe many people are digging in their heels and they're not going to be purchasing a new car anytime soon.
    Let these guys all sit on their huge floor plans and think about all the years and all of the people that they have gleefully ripped off !
    Thanks again

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  6 днів тому

      My pleasure, thanks for watching and for sharing your insight! Also, I published my next version of this video yesterday. Thanks for choosing to watch, I really appreciate it! 🙂

  • @dosstodd8014
    @dosstodd8014 22 дні тому +2

    I would say the reason you see used 2023 or 2024 models on the Toyota lot is they came out of the Toyota Rent A Car department at that dealership. Very common practice.

  • @user-vi2dk1qz5f
    @user-vi2dk1qz5f 22 дні тому +4

    People need to stop buying new cars for a year. The car companies will get it.

  • @michaelabell2332
    @michaelabell2332 23 дні тому +6

    Love to buy a tundra. But they have to come wsy down before I even consider buy one.

  • @davidstadtmiller8904
    @davidstadtmiller8904 23 дні тому +1

    Great information 😊😊 Prices are insane 😮😮. Manufacturers must feel that Leases are going to move all their overpriced inventory. Too many models with way to many trim levels.😮😮😮

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +1

      And many manufacturers keep adding more luxurious trim levels and building those rather than the more affordable basic transportation trim levels that most people probably care for and ultimately can afford.

  • @cmiles97x38
    @cmiles97x38 22 дні тому +1

    You need to look at the pricing fine print on the websites. So many are adding thousands to the advertised price with "club" charges with things the dealer adds on and FEEs.

  • @AutoPainter86
    @AutoPainter86 5 днів тому +1

    I'd hate to have to tell you this but all dealerships are marking everything up. The Ford bronco for instance with its base model MSRP starts at around $39k which is still entirely too high for that vehicle. 130K and/or 90k is absolutely laughable to say the least.

  • @bobfox2733
    @bobfox2733 22 дні тому +4

    With twin turbos & Hybrid motors part hybrid or full hybrid blind spot monitoring adapted cruise & infotainment system break other things won’t work. People just need safe reliable get you around vehicles not all those the things that break & costly to fix. Vehicles could cost much less. But I guess with all the options & add ons way more profit. But too expensive for most buyers.

    • @mothershiplove6078
      @mothershiplove6078 22 дні тому +2

      while in mexico you can buy a stripped ranger for 10 grand,

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +2

      It’s sad to see all the decent displacement NA engines that regular mechanics can actually diagnose and fix disappearing. 😔

  • @1Springloaded
    @1Springloaded 23 дні тому +6

    Travel a little. Save a lot. Sounds like good advice.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +1

      Assuming someone isn’t concerned their current vehicle could safely make it to the out of town dealer and they don’t mind immediately putting some miles on their new car. Why not make an adventure out of it? 🙂

    • @1Springloaded
      @1Springloaded 23 дні тому +1

      @@AutomotiveAnonymous208 I did hear of a man who hopped a flight to Boulder CO. From Florida. Picked up a Corolla for 5k less. Enjoyed his drive home.

  • @Hschlick84
    @Hschlick84 22 дні тому +1

    Those lower interest rates are based on prime and above buyers. Non-prime buyers with 620-650 expect to pay more interest unfortunately.

  • @lumanid73
    @lumanid73 9 днів тому +1

    90K Bronco?!?!?! Never! Even if i had the money for it, Never!

  • @RayT70
    @RayT70 21 день тому +1

    Yup, prices are crazy.

  • @joesammut3773
    @joesammut3773 17 днів тому

    when they show the factories building cars with robot machines, i would think that the price would be less. but that is not the case. that is a lot of money, when you have rent health insurance and food and car payment

  • @johnjon1823
    @johnjon1823 22 дні тому +4

    I have a 1979 300 sitting in my garage, have not run it in YEARS has maybe 60K on it; for WAY WAY less than the price of a new car I can resuscitate that thing and drive for 10 years no problem, SAame with my 2013 jeep with 195K on it, I ca fix that forever and get another 10 years out of it. Why pay these thieves a dime.

  • @robertf3340
    @robertf3340 22 дні тому +3

    Come to Southern California. You won’t see any of those mark downs at my local Ford dealer. In fact, they’re still selling the Bronco Raptor for 15k over and the Raptor R for 100k to 120k over MSRP.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +1

      Oh gosh! 🤮 in your case it’s absolutely worth a road trip to go buy elsewhere lol.

    • @robertf3340
      @robertf3340 22 дні тому +1

      Yes but unfortunately my own truck has taken a 20k depreciation hit in less than two years. Not sure I’ll be buying anything

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +1

      What truck did you buy? I’m sorry to hear that!

    • @robertf3340
      @robertf3340 22 дні тому +1

      I have a 2022 Ford F150 Tremor. Paid MSRP of 75342 but I had to fight and search to get that. Found one dealer that would sell for that and the rest wanted 10k over MSRP

    • @truthbetold9923
      @truthbetold9923 20 днів тому +1

      Any new vehicle loses $10000 the minute is bought and driven off the lot🤪

  • @ien2023
    @ien2023 23 дні тому +5

    Wait I thought Ford Maverick is actually doing good? Since when $86k Bronco is normal? I thought they were in the $50k?

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  23 дні тому +1

      I’ve honestly hardly seen any Mavericks on any Ford lots, and most of the ones I’ve seen have been really loaded hybrid examples that are like $40k. And these two Broncos are Bronco Raptors, which are the most extreme off-road version.

  • @BTC909
    @BTC909 20 днів тому +1

    You can charge more interest on a "used" vehicle. This is also a game dealers play with floorplanning costs.

  • @davidnelson6893
    @davidnelson6893 6 днів тому

    Yes you got right

  • @MrBobby6343
    @MrBobby6343 22 дні тому +2

    Add on’s is just that ADD more money to American products that loses value monthly and yearly! This is why I have a 2005 Toyota Sequoia. 400000 miles. Engine and transmission new replacement only cost me $9000.00 runs like a new vehicle at a fraction of the cost of a used vehicle.

  • @OGsteve205
    @OGsteve205 19 днів тому +1

    MSRP on vehicles need to come down 25%-30% before I will even consider looking for a new vehicle.

  • @JR_99_97
    @JR_99_97 20 днів тому +1

    There should NEVER be a bronco, f-150, Colorado, tundra, Silverado, Tahoe.... over 60k.

  • @kevincamilleri1695
    @kevincamilleri1695 21 день тому +1

    Anon… because the dealers let prospective buyers drive brand new vehicles or drive vehicles from other dealerships for a sale. As long as they don’t exceed 100 miles the government lets them sell them as new.

  • @LilAk74
    @LilAk74 22 дні тому +4

    75k still too much imo i can get a nice fully loaded pimped out older model for less

  • @michaelabell2332
    @michaelabell2332 23 дні тому +7

    I will check in 6 months they will be giving these away.

  • @CheerfulTent-ww4hr
    @CheerfulTent-ww4hr 5 днів тому

    I go to dealerships on the weekends just to have a big laugh 😂😂 When some salesman comes we tell them just here for a laugh 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @richardfowler3254
    @richardfowler3254 22 дні тому +2

    As far as I am concerned, all of those extremely overprice vehicles can just sit there and ROT. These vehicles are losing value every day, the costs to the dealers are going up with the loans they take out to put them on the lots. Their "Floor Plan" payments must be insane. These dealerships and manufacturers are wanting the public to bail them out for their unfair business practices... In January of 2020 I was able to get a new to me (used) truck to pull my trailer and it was ana awesome deal that I got. I was able to get a one-year-old truck (2500 RAM) for under 30k with 0.9% rate. Those deals will need to come back before regular people can even think about getting back into the car market.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +1

      Absolutely! That sounds like a fantastic deal by today’s standards, lol. Was it a 6.4 or Cummins?

    • @kennethmasihdas1316
      @kennethmasihdas1316 22 дні тому

      As much as people might not want to believe it, that wouldn't happen again until Trump is back in office. Creepy Joe is the opposite of King Midas, everything he touches turns to poop.

    • @richardfowler3254
      @richardfowler3254 18 днів тому

      @@AutomotiveAnonymous208 I have the gas engine, I am glad because of the cost of diesel and the additional emissions controls now required...

  • @costcontrolaccounting4613
    @costcontrolaccounting4613 19 днів тому +1

    A nicely done Bronco is a $38,000 truck. If you pay these prices, you get to work for the owner of the Dealership, not your own family. Don't do it!

  • @user-gb9vv5ey2w
    @user-gb9vv5ey2w 19 днів тому +1

    These prices are outrageous!

  • @Will_b83
    @Will_b83 6 днів тому

    The dealer markups have given way to the manufacturer markups.

  • @robertratliff6030
    @robertratliff6030 7 днів тому

    We have a 2000 tundra and a 2007 accord. We bought these vehicles 24 and 17 years ago planning that, barring an accident, these would last us until we can't drive anymore. 20 years ago I also bought two Honda motorcycles to last until I can't ride anymore. The advice of someone in their late 60s is to plan and pay cash. So with no car payment and no house payment, we live well on our social security

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  7 днів тому

      It’s so crazy to think that those vehicles are that old now, those years really don’t sound that long ago. Paid off cars and your home is definitely the way to ago! And definitely before retirement age. Well done! 👍

  • @jessjohnson2634
    @jessjohnson2634 5 днів тому +1

    I am seeing 10k off MSRP in AZ on GMC Sierra 1500 Elevation trucks, but it is still way too high in my opinion. This trim should be no more than 45k OTD and they are still about 55-57k OTD.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  5 днів тому

      Absolutely agree! 6 years ago you could easily get a full size Z71 Silverado for like 36k after a few discounts.

  • @williamjones7821
    @williamjones7821 22 дні тому +1

    Make sure they don't add-on the VIN-etching on the non-existent catalytic converter on that battery-powered Ford Lightning pickup. At least one other UA-cam video shows a "Monroney sticker" where that was added on ! They thought the buyer wouldn't notice !

  • @rastus666
    @rastus666 21 день тому +1

    $93k for a Bronco? I’d rather drink battery acid.
    I wanted a 3/4 ton pickup to drive while my old truck is being restored. I wanted a GM, but on their lot, $80-90k was the price. I found a Chevy 2500 HD from one of the good years, 06, for $10,600. With tires, stereo, and topper, the total price was under $17k. I’ve put 10k miles on it in 4 1/2 months. No leaks, no drips, no problems. Pulls my 8,000 pound camper just fine. Shop around.

  • @ernestgalvan9037
    @ernestgalvan9037 17 днів тому

    Nice looking VW’s… wonder what the specs are.

  • @techvof
    @techvof 21 день тому +2

    You'd have to pay me to take that lightning

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  21 день тому

      Yeah, lol. 95k MSRP for an EV truck I’d be being a Cybertruck Cyberbeast or a loaded out R1T. 🤪

  • @HaroldJackson
    @HaroldJackson 12 годин тому

    Anyone paying this much for cars and trucks needs their heads examined! This is some crazy sh#@!😮

  • @flpete
    @flpete 22 дні тому +1

    Hello AA, just learned all 24's Tacomas are built in Mexico with cheaper labor & yet prices gone up by $1000's. Saw an loaded Tacoma at a Florida dealer for $57K. This may backfire on Toyota.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +1

      Thanks for sharing this! Yeah, my last one was build in South Texas, now they’re all the way to the Mexico assembly plant. Obviously not ideal, but I have heard people seem to think the build quality and fitment is solid. I guess time will tell! 🙂

  • @10glocks40
    @10glocks40 12 днів тому +1

    The 2022 Bronco only has 4,000 miles because that's as far as it will drive without breaking down.

  • @ryand4940
    @ryand4940 22 дні тому

    I need these videos to remind me why I drive my Chevy bolt (bought for 8k) and have a 1999 LX470 as a backup. Both run great and combined cost me a total $14,500. I own them obviously. Yeah I’ll just keep them and drive them.

  • @lav1daloca
    @lav1daloca 23 дні тому +6

    Never pay what the dealer is asking, always offer 15-20grand less go with cash tell em take it or leave it

    • @HDHQDIRECT
      @HDHQDIRECT 22 дні тому

      Yeah, Ok. 🤡

    • @michaelb.8953
      @michaelb.8953 21 день тому +2

      Going in with cash you'll 100% lose the deal. Finance it and then immediately pay it off with that said cash two weeks later. Car dealers don't make money from cars, but rather loans.

  • @DavidMartin-hv3mn
    @DavidMartin-hv3mn 20 днів тому

    Yeah, the one you were just showing for 80 85000 final payment on. That's only a $43000 truck. There's no deals there yet.😅

  • @fawadali135
    @fawadali135 22 дні тому +2

    I don't understand how can people spend $80k+ on a car. If you make a million dollars a year then fine but for the rest of us, this is insane.
    I am not biyying anything over $30k. A used car works just fine for me. The best car is the one that is paid off.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  22 дні тому +1

      100% agree! People give up way too much of their lives paying for depreciating liabilities like a car they can’t truly afford. 😞

  • @joshuamoore24_7
    @joshuamoore24_7 19 днів тому

    The prices have been around double compared to the early 2000's.🤔

  • @TheYurisam
    @TheYurisam 16 днів тому

    Maybe the missing door edge guards are invisible! 😂

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  16 днів тому

      They very well could be, just like the cash in your wallet once paying for them. 😅

  • @ConstitutionCurt
    @ConstitutionCurt 14 днів тому +1

    MSRP was always suggested not the “price”. What happened to the savvy buyer?

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  14 днів тому

      That’s a great point! We really do need to keep that in mind and that it’s the “suggested retail price”, which is always the most expensive price point an item should have.

  • @HaroldJackson
    @HaroldJackson 11 годин тому

    I drive a 2005 dodge mini van. Gave $1,500.00 for it 6 years ago. Still runs like new. Let that sink in.

  • @whiteprivilege912
    @whiteprivilege912 19 днів тому

    Went to my local Ford dealership last year to try to make a deal on a new Bronco I thought was listed for $50,000. It ended up being marked up to $60,000 when I went to the dealership. When I scoffed at the price, the manager gave me some virtue signaling speech about how they donate to charities. I left and went to Toyota and bought a $55,000 4runner TRD Pro instead. I would have bought the Bronco at $50k, but If I have to spend more than that to get a nice body on frame SUV, I'm not risking that much money on a Ford with a twin turbo engine.

    • @AutomotiveAnonymous208
      @AutomotiveAnonymous208  19 днів тому +1

      I 100% agree! Good call on the Toyota. At least you know what to expect and the resale/reliability is there.

  • @finallythetruthisout761
    @finallythetruthisout761 21 день тому

    Dealers idea of a deal and my idea of a deal are still way apart

  • @Blood8Chapel
    @Blood8Chapel 19 днів тому

    Not only are these discounts still not enough for consumers to buy, but inflation in the past 3 years plus decline in our economy is preventing most Americans from buying a new vehicle. I have over 5 buddies that are ready to buy new cars, but they rather stick with their current vehicles and hoping that price will drop in the next three years. But based on our economy and how supply and demand goes, these crazy high prices seems to be the new norm moving forward. if you look at all the new 2025 vehicles coming out, they are increasing them by $5K to $15K MSRP versus the previous year models.

  • @thomasjames9212
    @thomasjames9212 6 днів тому

    So they jacked up prices 25-30k then discount 19 .... It's a scam. We all know invoice is well below MSRP. We used to be able to haggle close to invoice.