I have a lot of early Dr. Who on video tape. I would love to get them to a professional archivist. No longer having a VCR I can't speak to their quality. Some years back our local PBS station ran all of the episodes in order. I did my best to record them all.
You know, here's a fun thing I would do if I were writing and episode of the show: I would have the Doctor go back to an earlier moment in his/her own timeline set during either the First Doctor's era or the Second Doctor's. The characters are only seen from afar (and played by doubles, obviously) as the Doctor doesn't want to interfere with his/her own history. This moment in history, though, happens to be an event like, say, Marco Polo and throughout the story the audience gets glimpses of several scenes from the episode, allowing them the show to kind of recreate the missing story. Sure, it wouldn't be much, but it would be a nice pleasant surprise to the fans.
I actually found this very discouraging. I had no idea that there were so few copies and that they were passed from country to country. That really hurts the chances of finding them all.
If I understand correctly, _The Moonbase_ part 4 is the only Troughton episode with all prints accounted-for (with the New Zealand print junked, the Singapore-Hong Kong-Zambia print used for the Cybermen: The Early Years VHS, and the Australia print used for Lost in Time?).
Hopefully there will be a search in Singapore after the pandemic. There should also be searches in Thailand, Ethiopia, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong, Nigeria and Germany
Also, the ABC have no more missing episodes, they confirmed. So I emailed them they said that they’d never junked The Daleks Master Plan. Meaning, it was sold. So, SEARCH FILM COLLECTORS!
@@blairm383I hate private film collectors. What the f*ck makes them think that morally they should keep these episodes and movies entirely to themselves? Selfish. The complete opposite of film preservation.
This also means that the recent announcement of 1 episode a Hartnell Dalek story(which can ONLY be from the Daleks master plan,it’s the only missing Hartnells Dalek story)is most likely the Australian copy
Here's my top 10 doctor who missing episodes/serials that should be animated 1. Marco Polo 2. The daleks master plan 3. The space pirates 4. The Smugglers 5. The wheel In Space 6. The Highlanders 7. The underwater menace 8. The Celestial Toymaker 9. The Massacre Of St Bartholomew's Eve 10. The Myth Makers
At least we have audio from every missing episode, so we can make those cool animations, and the good folks at UCLAN made a Mission to the Unknown live action recreation.
It would be interesting to see someone do a re-shoot of some of the missing episodes. Using deep fake technology with the original audio, a convincing remake could be done.
Presently unlikely: The BBC recently announced they "can't find a partner" to help pay for any more animated reconstructions. If the animations aren't cost effective" I doubt anyone would pay for any kind of "reshoot" (unless it's a school project like the recent "Mission to the Unknown" recreation).
Thethe University of Central Lancashire actually filmed a recreation of the episode "Mission to the Unknown", no deepfake technology involved though: ua-cam.com/video/NW8yk-m5Ig8/v-deo.html
I've only recently started watching Doctor who,decided to start with the 2005 revival cos David Tennant. I do plan to watch the classic series of course. So sad that 97 episodes are lost, I've heard there are audios and short clips existing,it'll give me a real headache to try and watch/listen to all of the stories but I'll do it. I'm currently on season 11 with Jodie Whittaker. I wasn't even born back when the lost episodes were aired so I don't even have a bad brief memory of watching them,sadly. I also will watch the spin-offs, I did watch some of the Adventures of Sarah Jane as a kid, I barely remember it except for K9, I loved the dog so much that my parents had to buy me a toy robot dog of my own :) I lost it now though,or maybe they got rid of it.
I don't think it's impossible to find the remaining missing Doctor Who episodes because we've recovered other missing episodes. I hope they are found because I have been a Doctor Who fan for 40 years. I love the classic Doctor Who but I hate the new Doctor Who.
I feel like there is a very slim, but non-zero, chance that someone pointed a camera at a tv screen when this episode aired, and that somewhere in someones shed lies a reel with a fuzzy recording of the episode on it. But then again the same could be said of all the missing episodes of Dr Who, and of other TV shows with lost episodes.
@@MrDannyDetail There is a remote possibility that someone at the BBC archives made a bootleg copy. Imagine the irony of a bootleg copy becoming the new master tape because it's the only copy left.
I am a huge fan of classic Dr who I got into in Christmas 2019 and I have been watching it even seen them I started with the first doctor and the fourth and the second Doctor and the thrid doctor and fifth doctor and the seventh doctor and I have now got a Collection of classic Dr who dvds and new who dvds I amazing to watch classic Dr who because we learn alot about the time travel called the doctor and we also learn about the tardis and his companion and history and monster and unit also there is another documentary on mission episode here on UA-cam
Interesting the rather low-tech way they went about transferring the programme from video to film for overseas sale. It simply involved pointing the film camera to the TV screen while the show was being screened (almost always on its actual transmission in the UK). Hence these films were called 'telerecordings' and would be slightly warped in the corners due to the shapes of the TV screens at the time. They started doing this when all TV was live and before videotape was even invented. Videotape was ridiculous expensive - one roll was the same price as a car, at the time. But they saved the TV company SO MUCH MONEY as what it meant was the broadcast schedule could be uncoupled from the studio schedule, and you could do things like record several episodes in one day and avoid having to assemble and reassemble the sets so often. Hence, video 'erasure' was an understandable standard practice, we are pretty lucky to have what we have - in fact it has been a definite win for the anally retentive :)
According to "'Doctor Who: The Missing Episodes' Documentary - Omnibus" a Nigerian broadcasting station called BBC in the mid-90s saying they had the entirety of Season 1 and 2 and offered to send them, but the BBC declined
Circa 1963, BBC broadcasting 12 hours of programmes a day over twi channels. Presuming 70% of the content was prerecorded that equals 16 hours 8 minutes. Requiring 32 two inch tapes of about 30 minutes length. 16x 365 tapes caes at a maximum of 3.5 inches width is 1704 inches (rounded up) which is 141 feet. Hardly "a building the size of the Albert Hall" Heck 2 lots of 6 shelves down the opposite sides of my living room would suffice...
I hope they find more. I saw on her video made thing or something online that mostly today they may find them through private collectors, though maybe some TV stations around the world still have some.
Re whether ‘The Feast Of Steven’ could *somehow* possibly have been telecine’d after all… here’s food for insanely impossible thought… we don’t have any paperwork that explains why there was a B&W film print of ‘Invasion Of The Dinosaurs’ part one, and the creation of Doctor Who telecine prints was a standard operating procedure in the mid 1960s. So strange stuff can happen. It *won’t* happen, but theoretically… 🤷🏻♂️
Hmmm. My dad worked at the BBC at this time and I saw some old film cans in the garage. I doubt it but maybe there's a doctor who there! Its worth a look. Although I'm extremely doubtful.
What sucks is that the missing episodes of Doctor who haven’t actually been fully missing for that long,there are papers stating that up until January 1972,the BBC’s archives retained a 16mm film copy of EVERY SINGLE EPISODE OF THE SHOW,accept for the Feast of Steven which had been officially junked in 1968,meaning that episode fully no longer exists,and cannot be viewed,but they had a copy of every other episode there,and not only that but a color copy as well if the episode had been made in color,if they had preserved the archive in 1970,and not 1978,every single Doctor who story might still exist EDIT:sadly even though the official junking of all programs stopped in 1978,there is at least 1 story of employees junking tapes in 1979,and getting caught after it had already happened,we don’t know if any DW episodes were among those,but it’s possible
Several fans who used their home tape recorders to record the audio. Home video didn't exist at the time, but if it did, you can be sure there'd be no lost episodes!
@@badwolf4260 Not strictly true that Home Video didn't exist then. Not in the mass market,but early video machines did exist with extraordinary prohibitively expensive video tapes. Bob Monkhouse famously owned and recorded just about everything he could possibly tape.
I know these are “talkies” but a lot of Deaf people love movies and I have to ask has anybody bothered to put the word out in ASL, BSL, and other signed languages that there are missing reels of Dr. Who and if a Deaf Club or collector should have one to contact the BBC? I am not joking. We in the Deaf Community are often the last thought. It could be in one of my people’s possessions and they do not “hear” you.
Now I just bought that first and second doctor spent some money but the 3rd doctor who episodes I have on bootleg in color my dad holds on to them to this day.
Good grief! If a person's name is going to be occuring quite so many times in a video, wouldn't it be a smart idea to check the pronunciation first?!? It's Ian luh-VEEEN!!!
I wish they did have parts 1, 2 & 3 from Celestial Toymaker instead of just 4 but it would be a total disaster if only 1 & 4 from The Invasion were the only surviving episodes from that story.
If I was a British citizen I would demand the arrest of the BBC executive who ordered those tapes destroyed or put a destruction timeline on those tapes (illegal destruction of gov property)
I bet more private film-collectors have more missing episodes in their collections.
I always thought private collectors own something between 10-15 episodes if one collector owns a whole story though is more of a mystery
They found some Dads Army episodes in a shed, I guarantee there's some Doctor Who episodes hiding in places like that.
They do I hate that I didn't get the first and second doctor who episodes.
I have a lot of early Dr. Who on video tape. I would love to get them to a professional archivist.
No longer having a VCR I can't speak to their quality. Some years back our local PBS station ran all of the episodes in order. I did my best to record them all.
Tim Buktu really? This could be big news! What episodes do you have?
The fact that we can never get those episodes back makes me so depressed. This is why I find archiving so important now that it's easier
You know, here's a fun thing I would do if I were writing and episode of the show: I would have the Doctor go back to an earlier moment in his/her own timeline set during either the First Doctor's era or the Second Doctor's. The characters are only seen from afar (and played by doubles, obviously) as the Doctor doesn't want to interfere with his/her own history. This moment in history, though, happens to be an event like, say, Marco Polo and throughout the story the audience gets glimpses of several scenes from the episode, allowing them the show to kind of recreate the missing story. Sure, it wouldn't be much, but it would be a nice pleasant surprise to the fans.
timrob12 lovely idea!
Englishman in Hangzhou that would be the ultimate Doctor Who special: “Finding Oneself.”
I think that would be a great idea for a novel or big finish audio
Well there is twice upon a time which takes place during the tenth planet part 4
@@RoseTheRoyal Yeah, but like a FULL missing episode.
I actually found this very discouraging. I had no idea that there were so few copies and that they were passed from country to country. That really hurts the chances of finding them all.
Or, actually increases the chances of......
@@suzyqualcast6269 I sincerely hope so
They wasn’t passed they was copied to give them to other countries which increased the copies out there and chances
If I understand correctly, _The Moonbase_ part 4 is the only Troughton episode with all prints accounted-for (with the New Zealand print junked, the Singapore-Hong Kong-Zambia print used for the Cybermen: The Early Years VHS, and the Australia print used for Lost in Time?).
And of course the Moonbase DVD in 2014.
imagine watching one of these episodes back in the day only to find out years later that they've been destroyed or lost forever
Just watching this back and he fails to mention every episode of The Dominators, The Krotons and The War Games were recovered from the BFI
Lol my tired brain read FBI
And they must have been the Australian prints of _The Dominators,_ since the VHS release lacked the censor clips but the DVD release had them back in.
"The fate of the copy sent to Singapore isn't known." An all too common quote elsewhere. So, I wonder what they have...
Mark Andresen Let's just storm the Singapore Television Centre, THEY CAN'T STOP ALL OF US!
why hasn’t there been a serious attempt to search Singapore?
Hopefully there will be a search in Singapore after the pandemic. There should also be searches in Thailand, Ethiopia, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong, Nigeria and Germany
Philip Morris said in an interview that six episodes exist in private hands jts unknown if they are from the same story or not
We need to find more episodes.
Also, the ABC have no more missing episodes, they confirmed. So I emailed them they said that they’d never junked The Daleks Master Plan. Meaning, it was sold. So, SEARCH FILM COLLECTORS!
Does that mean they junked their copy of Mission to the Unknown?
@@RoseTheRoyal hopefully not but it might’ve been given to a private collector
@@blairm383I hate private film collectors. What the f*ck makes them think that morally they should keep these episodes and movies entirely to themselves? Selfish.
The complete opposite of film preservation.
This also means that the recent announcement of 1 episode a Hartnell Dalek story(which can ONLY be from the Daleks master plan,it’s the only missing Hartnells Dalek story)is most likely the Australian copy
@@Scutt_le
Recent announcement? Really? When was this?
A nice complement to the recent Josh Snears videos dealing with same theme.
Thank you! I thought this would go well with Josh's videos, as his covers the stories' in broadcast order, whereas mine goes in real-time order.
Here's my top 10 doctor who missing episodes/serials that should be animated
1. Marco Polo
2. The daleks master plan
3. The space pirates
4. The Smugglers
5. The wheel In Space
6. The Highlanders
7. The underwater menace
8. The Celestial Toymaker
9. The Massacre Of St Bartholomew's Eve
10. The Myth Makers
Apparently The Daleks Master Plan and The Myth Makers have an unknown fate in Australia, where I live!
Jade D are you going to check if they are still there?
At least we have audio from every missing episode, so we can make those cool animations, and the good folks at UCLAN made a Mission to the Unknown live action recreation.
It would be interesting to see someone do a re-shoot of some of the missing episodes. Using deep fake technology with the original audio, a convincing remake could be done.
"Mission to the Unknown" was recreated by the University of Central Lancashire.. ua-cam.com/video/NW8yk-m5Ig8/v-deo.html
Presently unlikely: The BBC recently announced they "can't find a partner" to help pay for any more animated reconstructions. If the animations aren't cost effective" I doubt anyone would pay for any kind of "reshoot" (unless it's a school project like the recent "Mission to the Unknown" recreation).
@@faboofour idk how much its progressed since then, but putting that deep fake technology in today's time seems a lot more plausible.
Thethe University of Central Lancashire actually filmed a recreation of the episode "Mission to the Unknown", no deepfake technology involved though: ua-cam.com/video/NW8yk-m5Ig8/v-deo.html
We need to build a TARDIS and convince the BBC to give us copies.
Or take a recording device back with us, connect it to a television and record it, then bring the tape forward to now and colourise it!
I've only recently started watching Doctor who,decided to start with the 2005 revival cos David Tennant. I do plan to watch the classic series of course. So sad that 97 episodes are lost, I've heard there are audios and short clips existing,it'll give me a real headache to try and watch/listen to all of the stories but I'll do it. I'm currently on season 11 with Jodie Whittaker. I wasn't even born back when the lost episodes were aired so I don't even have a bad brief memory of watching them,sadly. I also will watch the spin-offs, I did watch some of the Adventures of Sarah Jane as a kid, I barely remember it except for K9, I loved the dog so much that my parents had to buy me a toy robot dog of my own :) I lost it now though,or maybe they got rid of it.
Really interesting. At least the audio of every episode exists. When I was a child I had a cassette recorder and recorded many TV shows.
1:38 to 1:43 those are four very important questions regarding a proper restoration, if possible.
I don't think it's impossible to find the remaining missing Doctor Who episodes because we've recovered other missing episodes. I hope they are found because I have been a Doctor Who fan for 40 years. I love the classic Doctor Who but I hate the new Doctor Who.
Oh no no no, you cant rule out feast of Steven just like that
I feel like there is a very slim, but non-zero, chance that someone pointed a camera at a tv screen when this episode aired, and that somewhere in someones shed lies a reel with a fuzzy recording of the episode on it. But then again the same could be said of all the missing episodes of Dr Who, and of other TV shows with lost episodes.
Well, that did happen with the Beatles on the top of the pops
@@MrDannyDetail
There is a remote possibility that someone at the BBC archives made a bootleg copy. Imagine the irony of a bootleg copy becoming the new master tape because it's the only copy left.
I am a huge fan of classic Dr who I got into in Christmas 2019 and I have been watching it even seen them I started with the first doctor and the fourth and the second Doctor and the thrid doctor and fifth doctor and the seventh doctor and I have now got a Collection of classic Dr who dvds and new who dvds I amazing to watch classic Dr who because we learn alot about the time travel called the doctor and we also learn about the tardis and his companion and history and monster and unit also there is another documentary on mission episode here on UA-cam
Did, a general call out made to every countries TV stations to search their film archives back then or NOW?
Good video mate, nice work
Interesting the rather low-tech way they went about transferring the programme from video to film for overseas sale. It simply involved pointing the film camera to the TV screen while the show was being screened (almost always on its actual transmission in the UK). Hence these films were called 'telerecordings' and would be slightly warped in the corners due to the shapes of the TV screens at the time. They started doing this when all TV was live and before videotape was even invented.
Videotape was ridiculous expensive - one roll was the same price as a car, at the time. But they saved the TV company SO MUCH MONEY as what it meant was the broadcast schedule could be uncoupled from the studio schedule, and you could do things like record several episodes in one day and avoid having to assemble and reassemble the sets so often.
Hence, video 'erasure' was an understandable standard practice, we are pretty lucky to have what we have - in fact it has been a definite win for the anally retentive :)
well the next one in line for released that was reconstructed is The Faceless Ones, due out next year
Your presentation and style of speach is brilliant.
You deserve more subs!
I surely believe that Episode 4 of The Tenth Planet is entirely destroyed in 1973 in London
Singapore’s copy is unknown if it was junked or not so it could still exist
According to "'Doctor Who: The Missing Episodes' Documentary - Omnibus" a Nigerian broadcasting station called BBC in the mid-90s saying they had the entirety of Season 1 and 2 and offered to send them, but the BBC declined
There has to be more episodes out there
Sure they could be, but if these things aren't properly cared for then there's a big chance that a lot of them have been destroyed.
Technically it’s not Hartnells last appearance, The Three Doctors
Last regular appearance
Circa 1963, BBC broadcasting 12 hours of programmes a day over twi channels.
Presuming 70% of the content was prerecorded that equals 16 hours 8 minutes. Requiring 32 two inch tapes of about 30 minutes length.
16x 365 tapes caes at a maximum of 3.5 inches width is 1704 inches (rounded up) which is 141 feet.
Hardly "a building the size of the Albert Hall" Heck 2 lots of 6 shelves down the opposite sides of my living room would suffice...
Really enjoying this.
Great mini documentary
Concise and well articulated
Please, for the love of WHO, I hope some episodes are revealed this month for the 60th anniversary!!
Congratulations on 100 subscribers
I hope they find more. I saw on her video made thing or something online that mostly today they may find them through private collectors, though maybe some TV stations around the world still have some.
Re whether ‘The Feast Of Steven’ could *somehow* possibly have been telecine’d after all… here’s food for insanely impossible thought… we don’t have any paperwork that explains why there was a B&W film print of ‘Invasion Of The Dinosaurs’ part one, and the creation of Doctor Who telecine prints was a standard operating procedure in the mid 1960s.
So strange stuff can happen. It *won’t* happen, but theoretically… 🤷🏻♂️
I think you could be a really famous UA-camr
44 and 53 interesting :0
Hmmm. My dad worked at the BBC at this time and I saw some old film cans in the garage. I doubt it but maybe there's a doctor who there! Its worth a look. Although I'm extremely doubtful.
Any update?
Update?
Thorough reaserch.....!
Good job! Thanks!
Ian Leh-veen, not Lee-vine.
What sucks is that the missing episodes of Doctor who haven’t actually been fully missing for that long,there are papers stating that up until January 1972,the BBC’s archives retained a 16mm film copy of EVERY SINGLE EPISODE OF THE SHOW,accept for the Feast of Steven which had been officially junked in 1968,meaning that episode fully no longer exists,and cannot be viewed,but they had a copy of every other episode there,and not only that but a color copy as well if the episode had been made in color,if they had preserved the archive in 1970,and not 1978,every single Doctor who story might still exist
EDIT:sadly even though the official junking of all programs stopped in 1978,there is at least 1 story of employees junking tapes in 1979,and getting caught after it had already happened,we don’t know if any DW episodes were among those,but it’s possible
Ian luh-VEEN
Cool
11 days till the 60th anniversary.
Come on you private collectors hand them over before they disintegrate.
I've heard rumours that Phillip Morris, Sue Malden and Ian Levine have secret Doctor Who episodes in their basements
How come every missing or junked episodes are still around but audio not film? How did all the audio survive
Several fans who used their home tape recorders to record the audio. Home video didn't exist at the time, but if it did, you can be sure there'd be no lost episodes!
@@badwolf4260 ahh, so all of the original episode audios were all saved from the fans? In there entirety? Just the footage is missing
@@eddymcpre all the audio exist for all the missing episodes
@@badwolf4260 Not strictly true that Home Video didn't exist then. Not in the mass market,but early video machines did exist with extraordinary prohibitively expensive video tapes. Bob Monkhouse famously owned and recorded just about everything he could possibly tape.
@@normandavidtidiman9918 any doctor who episodes?
Most interesting! Treasures if the past😊😊😊
Go to Singapore, they might have them.
Leh-veeen not lee vine
What happened to last year when there was a story that more episodes of Dr who were found
It's not pronounced Lee Vine it's pronounced Le Veen
Jason Marshall I believe it’s pronounced “dick-head”
@@harrypainter7472 why?
@@blairm383 Ian Levine is a dick
@@harrypainter7472 he did give all his episodes eventually so not rlly
calling the TARDIS, HELP WE MUST TRAVEL THROUGH TIME TO GET THE 97 EPIS BACK
10:46
I know these are “talkies” but a lot of Deaf people love movies and I have to ask has anybody bothered to put the word out in ASL, BSL, and other signed languages that there are missing reels of Dr. Who and if a Deaf Club or collector should have one to contact the BBC? I am not joking. We in the Deaf Community are often the last thought. It could be in one of my people’s possessions and they do not “hear” you.
Now I just bought that first and second doctor spent some money but the 3rd doctor who episodes I have on bootleg in color my dad holds on to them to this day.
You forgot to mention the pilot episode of unearthly child .
That was also missing but later found .
I strongly suspect all these episodes still exist and were not destroyed but censored.
I'm looking for a video on the actual content of the lost media
Good grief! If a person's name is going to be occuring quite so many times in a video, wouldn't it be a smart idea to check the pronunciation first?!? It's Ian luh-VEEEN!!!
I wish they did have parts 1, 2 & 3 from Celestial Toymaker instead of just 4 but it would be a total disaster if only 1 & 4 from The Invasion were the only surviving episodes from that story.
If I was a British citizen I would demand the arrest of the BBC executive who ordered those tapes destroyed or put a destruction timeline on those tapes (illegal destruction of gov property)
Just think what AI could do for the missing episodes now.
Also can’t believe the prices the bbc sell the classics for on dvd
AI would ruin it.
Braking news I have found 5 lost episodes of the classic arera
Is this a joke or not ?
Horyzon_esport TV its A joke :p
a joke or serious?
As if.
@Badwolf42
Am a hardcore DW, I love doctor Who, even Jodie's run. and this video just breaks my heart. This Junking thing sounds so fucking shite.
😭😢😱
This is cool. Thank you, the new Who is horrible and stupid. I refuse to ever show children new Dr. Who.
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