I was trying for so long to realise who the blond haired person the Nestine consciousness turned into at the end of that sequel and I'm so happy that the big twist is that Boris Johnson is a bloody auton. Brilliant.
@@desperatemohammedantheworl5833 oh fuck mancs, scouser for like, I have a photo with Paul mcgann, the scousest Dr. Hense the best. Except McCoy, no disrespect to mccoy
Someone I know worked with Capaldi on the Musketeers as the main henchman of the first ep. There’s a scene when Capaldi walks out of an archway and into a courtyard with him and some guards. Apparently just before they walked out one of the guards got a notification on his phone and said "oop! Thatcher’s dead!", quick as a flash Capaldi and my mate both muttered "good riddance!" and they all laughed in unison before walking out into the courtyard and performing a pretty serious scene!
Head cannon: six likely embellished his role in inspireing Chuchhills Dunkirk speach. I mean I actually quite like six but the man has a ego bigger than the milky way galaxy. Of course he's going to take credit for one of the most famous speaches ever made. But In all seriousness as an Aussie I can take a small amount of glee in church hill being taken down a peg
I’m a bit disappointed you didn’t bring up Players and Shadow in the Glass, two BBC Books with the 6th and 2nd Doctor meeting up with Churchill. Really great books on their own
the third doctor might actually not be an earlier incarnation, and that he could maybe be a later doctor, according to his age, which is several thousand years old according to him.
@@Magic12553 It's revealed in a Big Finish audio drama called Narcissus released as part of the Eight of March box set for International Women's Day last year.
@@captainrexofthe501st9 I know, that's why I called it needless elaboration. It's something we really didn't need to know, and personally I think having that knowledge actively takes away from her story.
One of my least favourite areas of expanded canon is the fates of the three divisive companions: - Big finish resurrecting Adric. - 7 hypnotising Mel to get rid of her - The Many tragic lives of Dodo, being locked in an asylum by the Master, being killed by her Unit Soldier lover and dying of Aids.
The Third Doctor also claimed to be thousands of years old at one point, and seemed to know what his future incarnations (4 and 5) would look like in The Five Doctors. I theorize that, when the Time Lords exiled him, they removed his mental blocks. So he remembers all his pre-Hartnell lives and interactions with future selves. He is more skilled because he is working off of several incarnations we never saw. The Fourth Doctor lost most of this knowledge in the regeneration, with his knowledge of pre-Hartnell dwindling slowly (he recalls them in Brains of Morbius, of course, but it is painful) until the point of the Fifth Doctor not knowing of any incarnation before Hartnell.
I tried for ages to work out a way to fit that in. It's better still how that very story has Clifford Jones, who may as well BE Jeremy Corbyn back in the 70s.
Between Aliens Of London (which is set in March of 2006), and Children Of Earth (which isn’t dated, but which people typically set in 2009), Britain had four Prime Ministers. One was murdered by the Slitheen, then there was Harriet Jones (who got ousted by The Doctor), then Harold Saxon a.k.a. The Master, then Brian Greene (who was exposed at the end of Children Of Earth for his complicity in dealing with The 456. Let’s face it, the Davies era would have been a terrifying time for the citizens of The Whoniverse’s Britain.
I hope you get to the part that one time Sherlock Holmes was a real life person in Doctor Who lore and was a companion in the Virgin New Adventures books even Holmes' brother Mycroft times up with Bernice Summerfield in one of her adventures until the events of a Faction Paradox erased him and his Conan Doyle characters from existence and into fiction. Because of course Faction Paradox stories always come up with weird ideas like that and I still haven't brought up the intergalactic detective agency ran by clones of Holmes.......... God! I love Doctor Who lore, writers especially of the non TV stories are always thinking outside the box to the point of insanity and yet it's continuity still makes more sense than DC Comic's continuity. Still this isn't as weird as the an alternate future version of the Doctor who died during the War In Heaven between the Timelords and the Faction and whose corpse was seen as a potential weapon to use in the War, right?.......... Again, still makes more sense than DC canon.
I never understand complaining about historical figures for being problematic, because every historical figure was problematic. Products of rougher times.
Yes and many of the notable ones were shit even by the context of their own times. The world hasn't been a straight line of progressively becoming more and more accepting.
I think the issue with problematic historical figures is that people often see figures as either; good or bad, when they are often in a spectrum of grey.
Surely bring back the time the 7th Doctor consoled Stalin on his deathbed and tells him how for a hundred years he'll be vilified before people deciding he was right and continuing his work
7:30 How is The Master the least voted/best option for Prime Minister? His main character traits that survive across regenerations are wanting immortality (to the point that I think he'd be jealous of Torchwood series 4 and Harkness generally), wanting to rule over the galaxy and generally being evil along with how he caused the biggest paradox ever and ruled over Earth in the worst dictatorship in History before wanting to take over the entire galaxy... again.
Jedi Spartan 38 the immortality that the Miracle brought probably wouldn’t be to the Master’s taste, I mean it’s not like Harkness’ immortality where you can heal from anything. You literally just cannot die but that doesn’t mean you’re body heals like Harkness’. Like if you get blown up your remains will still be alive but never heal
@@EditedAF987 good point, as shown by what would be a charred skeleton which is the first thing you see when you look up the event on the Tardis wiki... also what's the in universe reason for the Doctor not caring about the fact that Humanity have become immortal despite a) it happening at the same time as Earth based stuff in series 6 and b) 12 seemingly having been guarding the vault for *decades* prior to the Pilot (but that also poses the question of why didn't he help with *anything* at all)?
Jedi Spartan 38 no idea. Miracle day has never been acknowledged by the show. I reckon it might be a fixed point in history that the Doctor couldn’t interfere with, similar to the likes of the tenth planet and waters of mars.
2:55 Whats he saying here? "he didn't meet Shaowker" is what I'm hearing. I've gone over it so many times and thought about every doctor and their number, nickname, and actor, but I can't place it. What's actually being said. I almost never comment on any videos but this is starting to get to me x
He's saying "Shalka", as in the alternate timeline Ninth Doctor played by Richard E Grant in _Scream of the Shalka._ Now I'm wondering if Churchill has met the Atkinson, Lumley or Cushing incarnations.
Don't worry, he's trying to say 'Shalka' which was the animated Richard E Grant doctor from the 'Scream of the Shalka' series. (Not technically canon btw).
"The Third Doctor has every talent" - maybe it's a bit metaphorical, but yeah. "Churchill has met every Doctor" - well, eventually, yes. "Every prime-minister is involved/becomes an alien and Boris Johnson might be an Auton now" Wait... WHAT??? I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to his hands pop open in the news... or maybe he comes from planet Tussauds, I heard they make the best Autons there.
Hey Davis, am hoping to get into the classic era of the show but I'm not entirely sure how many box sets and DVD collections are needed for that. Can you help me out here??
Churchill, the man who fought against LITERAL NAZIS, is seen as controversial? Let that sink in for a moment.... I'm not saying everything he did was good, or that he didn't do bad things, but, I think he managed to balance it all out, at least.
"Controversial" in this instance meaning: let's not blindly idolise a figure who did many of the things Hitler did. From blaming the jewish people for the USSR & starving India to straight eugenics & race hierarchies. Dimension is very valuable with history, like most things. He can be both.
@@SamyulDavisCan you show your sources? I know, for example, he was the person responsible for the Gallipoli disaster in WW1, but I would have never compared him to Hitler. I'd just like evidence to look at to back up your claims.
@@mattevans4377 I'm not doing a bibliography for a UA-cam comment about Doctor Who! You can google the history and controversies section of his Wikipedia page or something. Pretty common history, even if you're not taught it in school.
7:45 ah yes Vivian rook a character with the same name as a woman from some newspaper in sound of drums in contact with torchwood and is portrayed by an actress in the following episode who just to furthur that betrays Martha to the master
I mean was there really any question that pertwee was the best doctor to ever doctor? He just pwnes everyone else in the room in like very scence he's in.
I'll take history's culture over history's bastards, cheers Great job trying to claim Churchill though. Must be one of these 'true Brits' I hear so much about.
@@SamyulDavis I was just saying, you guys always attack us for some reason. I admit I shouldn't have said it like that. Both sides have influential people. But, I don't think Churchill and Thatcha should be constantly attacked - because, in my opinion, they were brilliant people. What I said was rude and I apologise.
@@royhay5741 "For some reason" Dude, read a history book on Churchill already. It's not really subjective that he was also a monster. I don't even have strong opinions on the matter & yet still I couldn't have been more restrained in this video.
@@SamyulDavis he wasn't a monster, he saved Britain from WW2 and implemented many positive reforms. Many people of his time had a colonel and yes - somewhat racist view to the point where Roosevelt had to step in so Churchill couldn't control the empire's smaller nations anymore. I understand where your coming from, he was pretty racist.
@@royhay5741 again, you can be capable of two things. In the video I clearly call him a war hero. That doesn't negate everything else, it just adds to his real legacy.
"Anyway, with that very contentious issue, I expect my comments section to be VERY WELL BEHAVED!" Wait... so you DON'T want me to mention how Churchill was, and Boris is, racist imperialist scum? Okay. I'll try not to mention that at all then, promise.
@@SJ9001 Nobody went there dude. You can acknowledge him as a historic monster AND a war hero. Most people seem to manage the simple distinction if they get their head out of propaganda long enough.
DAVIS I don’t think you understood the comment I guess 😅 you said at the beginning these weren’t canon, so I was asking if you meant in doctor who or real life that BJ isn’t an automatic? :P
I watched the first episode and I'm not going to touch this thing again, for reasons that Stubagful articulated very well in his review. @down ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@SamyulDavis That's not an issue, the issue is style. RTD was never known from subtle political satire, but it was satire, it was highlighting certain flaws. I've read some claims in this comment section that Slitheen were Tony Blair allegory. English politics is 2004 is not my field of expertise, so I can't verify it, but regardless they work as a universal concept. They represent a certain trait - greed. Thanks to that, Aliens of London would still be relevant in 2060 and onward, because the message doesn't get obsolete - at any point in time politicians can be lectured to not be greedy. Take another example - the usage of Trump in the first episode of Years and Years. I don't have a problem with that. Not only Davies gives us a glimpse of his motives, tries to understand him, but also launching a nuke isn't just a result of madness or something equally lazy - some specific flaws, that you can accuse Trump and many others of having, are behind it. Anger, refusal to compromise, conceit. RTD sends here a message - Donald, I don't trust you, because you're not able to listen, you're too selfish. That's a very concrete warning against certain human behaviour. Here we come back to Revenge of the Nestene. It lacks any of that. The only character trait that is addressed here is ambition, but the problems it leads to are NOT explored. There's no flaw, no behaviour that RTD criticises, there's just a man, but this man is not person, it's a target. Boris Johnson was completely dehumanised in this story, he's but a skin for Nestene consciousness to wear. Nestene consciousness is a character in this story, but her motives, feelings are completely disconnected from what Boris Johnson can feel - so why does it become him? There's no substance to that, you can switch Johnson with anybody and it won't affect the themes. So if his presence doesn't serve the themes, what is it for? It's for mocking. Not satire, mind it, because satire requires specific criticism, mocking. Instead of 'I don't like Boris Johnson, because...' the clue of the story is 'I don't like Boris Johnson, so he's made of plastic, haha loser'. This is the abuse of power that artist has, as instead of teaching, lampshading, he uses it to insult. That's immature, irresponsible, harmful and below any standards RTD used to represent, this is a level of French Revolution pamphlets. Arachnids in the UK is better satire than that, because at least it was a satire, not just throwing eggs. So yeah, RTD had always been this overt, but he used to be more classy.
My love and magic for the show has died in Matt Smith's last season. Mind you, not because I'm like a Matt Smith Doctor fanboy, that season was just bad, and all the later Moffat seasons were equally bad. at least to me.
@@prof.evilpictures8696 He's boring. There's no pathos to his character now that Gallifrey is back. And the series finales lack grandure and sense of scale.
@@HiperPivociarz sometimes the best Doctor who stories are small scale. The Caves of Androzani is mainly about a violent and petty civil war, drug smugglers, gun runners, and just capitalists being horrible people, yet it’s widely regarded as one of the greatest and most intense regeneration stories in the show’s history. The Doctor falls would not have been improved if it was about the end of the universe or the end of time itself.
@@EditedAF987 At the same time, The Stolen Earth and Journey's End is a very big scale story, and it's considered one of the greatest finales in the NuWho by many. And even if you prefer small scale stories, there are times when you have to write a big scale story. Like The Zygon Invasion/Inversion. It's supposed to be a very big scale story, it's a global event, but the writers failed to convey such a big scale. I don't want the big scale stuff to be all there ever is, I just wish we had more of them. But I was wrong to identify that as the biggest problem with Moffat era Doctor Who, because it's not. I would have to rewatch the show in order to understand why I lost my investment. But I don't know if I'd be into that.
Me:
sees 'boris Johnson is an auton'
Also me:
Ahh it all makes sense now
Cribbed Crab I didn’t think the Coronavirus could infect plastic
I was trying for so long to realise who the blond haired person the Nestine consciousness turned into at the end of that sequel and I'm so happy that the big twist is that Boris Johnson is a bloody auton. Brilliant.
"15 years" is the big giveaway
@@SamyulDavis
Even funnier is that, if this IS canon, Boris in the DW universe was killed by some rubble.
It's cannon that Britain is the litteral center of the universe in dr who, and as a scouser I love it.
Everybody gets one
Unless you're America, in which case you get 1000
@@SamyulDavis XD also fun fact: Tom Baker was a scouser.
@@ms.antithesis And Eccleston is a Mancunian and thus 100x better.
@@desperatemohammedantheworl5833 oh fuck mancs, scouser for like, I have a photo with Paul mcgann, the scousest Dr. Hense the best. Except McCoy, no disrespect to mccoy
I'm a st helens lad? Dead between Liverpool and Manchester best of both worlds.
I can hop on the manc to lpool line and be in either city in 15 mins
Speaking of Political figures becoming Doctor Who villains, it still makes me laugh that Barack Obama was canonically the master for a bit 😂
Even Obama isn't safe from Davies' wrath.
Walshie I mean, everyone was. Even you!
That would explain a lot
Wait wait, what do you mean "for a bit"? Like, he got better?
Explains the drones
Someone I know worked with Capaldi on the Musketeers as the main henchman of the first ep. There’s a scene when Capaldi walks out of an archway and into a courtyard with him and some guards. Apparently just before they walked out one of the guards got a notification on his phone and said "oop! Thatcher’s dead!", quick as a flash Capaldi and my mate both muttered "good riddance!" and they all laughed in unison before walking out into the courtyard and performing a pretty serious scene!
nah nah nah.
Boris Johnson is a Slitheen, he makes his hair intentionally awful so we wouldn't see the zipper around his forehead
LOL
Somehow this all makes me love Dr. Who all the more.
Nailed it.
Ah, as someone who was first introduced to the Classics via Pertwee, that first one just made me so damn proud
Head cannon: six likely embellished his role in inspireing Chuchhills Dunkirk speach. I mean I actually quite like six but the man has a ego bigger than the milky way galaxy. Of course he's going to take credit for one of the most famous speaches ever made.
But In all seriousness as an Aussie I can take a small amount of glee in church hill being taken down a peg
I’m a bit disappointed you didn’t bring up Players and Shadow in the Glass, two BBC Books with the 6th and 2nd Doctor meeting up with Churchill. Really great books on their own
the third doctor might actually not be an earlier incarnation, and that he could maybe be a later doctor, according to his age, which is several thousand years old according to him.
that's just the writers being shitty and inconsistent
Rule one? The Doctor lies.
Josh i said might
i was just suggesting it
Knowing Chibnall he might throw that at us next season
Hey, Davis, did you know the Veil from Heaven Sent now has a tragic story?
You will never be done with these videos, sir. I’m so sorry
Also on the topic of needless elaboration on Capaldi era events, we know which Osgood died at the end of Season 8 now.
Zarbi Xii how?
@@Magic12553 It's revealed in a Big Finish audio drama called Narcissus released as part of the Eight of March box set for International Women's Day last year.
Zarbi Xii yet a major point of the Zygon two parter was that it did not matter
@@captainrexofthe501st9 I know, that's why I called it needless elaboration. It's something we really didn't need to know, and personally I think having that knowledge actively takes away from her story.
I love the bits you pick from the matrix and your delivery as always is fantastic. These videos always brighten my evenings.
One of my least favourite areas of expanded canon is the fates of the three divisive companions:
- Big finish resurrecting Adric.
- 7 hypnotising Mel to get rid of her
- The Many tragic lives of Dodo, being locked in an asylum by the Master, being killed by her Unit Soldier lover and dying of Aids.
I love this series more than I can say. Never stop!
"The Silurians are a beastly people, with a beastly religion."
-The Doctor, before committing genocide
That's just how the Third Doctor does things, have a punch up, get drinks.
My dog is canon
Agreed
This was never up for debate
he is absolutely canon
@@SamyulDavis Call Chibnal! we found the real actor for the doctor!
@@SamyulDavis I'm sorry don't get the Chibnall fan base on me.
@@UnknownUser-jo9nr as if they're ever the ones doing the hounding
Bruce Forsyth as prime minister is a funny thought. You'd hope he'd play his cards right.
This entire series is absolutely brilliant! Just like Jon Pertwee :D
The last time I was this early Grace was being called the newest and best companion!
Oh god, I dread to see the episode where Jodie Doctor meets Winston Churchill and lectures him on how problematic he is.
Brilliant Video! Can't believe you're telling me that Doctor Who has political commentary 🤯. Who would have thought it.
The 6th Doctor being afraid of Thatcher is oddly fitting and i can't explain why.
Not afraid of the time Lords in court but afraid of the iron lady
5.36 This is David Cameron wearing a Thatcher wig.
Haven't watched the classic series but goddamn pertwee is so cool I wanna watch the classic only for him
The Third Doctor also claimed to be thousands of years old at one point, and seemed to know what his future incarnations (4 and 5) would look like in The Five Doctors.
I theorize that, when the Time Lords exiled him, they removed his mental blocks. So he remembers all his pre-Hartnell lives and interactions with future selves. He is more skilled because he is working off of several incarnations we never saw. The Fourth Doctor lost most of this knowledge in the regeneration, with his knowledge of pre-Hartnell dwindling slowly (he recalls them in Brains of Morbius, of course, but it is painful) until the point of the Fifth Doctor not knowing of any incarnation before Hartnell.
I don't know if this is canon, but I'm convinced that David Bowie was a Time Lord. Maybe he was also in that band with The Doctor and The Master.
That Thatcher illustration looks more like David Cameron in Maggie cosplay. Is the Tory Party conference so different from Gally One?
hey...you don't think...
To be honest, the whole 456 story, no one was cast in a good light by the end. At least The Masters conquest was undone...
There's also an alt PM called Jeremy, mentioned in The Green Death.
I tried for ages to work out a way to fit that in. It's better still how that very story has Clifford Jones, who may as well BE Jeremy Corbyn back in the 70s.
4:49 oh no, the Doctor has committed genocide infinitely more times than churchill
indian innocents > daleks
Between Aliens Of London (which is set in March of 2006), and Children Of Earth (which isn’t dated, but which people typically set in 2009), Britain had four Prime Ministers. One was murdered by the Slitheen, then there was Harriet Jones (who got ousted by The Doctor), then Harold Saxon a.k.a. The Master, then Brian Greene (who was exposed at the end of Children Of Earth for his complicity in dealing with The 456. Let’s face it, the Davies era would have been a terrifying time for the citizens of The Whoniverse’s Britain.
Ah, battles in time cards. Those were the days. Still have every single card except from the golden rose.
The Third Doctor is an absolutely terrifying figure who no one should ever attempt to challenge
I hope you get to the part that one time Sherlock Holmes was a real life person in Doctor Who lore and was a companion in the Virgin New Adventures books even Holmes' brother Mycroft times up with Bernice Summerfield in one of her adventures until the events of a Faction Paradox erased him and his Conan Doyle characters from existence and into fiction. Because of course Faction Paradox stories always come up with weird ideas like that and I still haven't brought up the intergalactic detective agency ran by clones of Holmes..........
God! I love Doctor Who lore, writers especially of the non TV stories are always thinking outside the box to the point of insanity and yet it's continuity still makes more sense than DC Comic's continuity.
Still this isn't as weird as the an alternate future version of the Doctor who died during the War In Heaven between the Timelords and the Faction and whose corpse was seen as a potential weapon to use in the War, right?.......... Again, still makes more sense than DC canon.
I never understand complaining about historical figures for being problematic, because every historical figure was problematic. Products of rougher times.
Yes and many of the notable ones were shit even by the context of their own times. The world hasn't been a straight line of progressively becoming more and more accepting.
@@SamyulDavis Fair 'nuff.
I think the issue with problematic historical figures is that people often see figures as either; good or bad, when they are often in a spectrum of grey.
I can’t be the only one who read the title and had a lot of their questions answered
The Third Doctor, the ultimate Gary Stu
Churchle Met 8 as well in one of the Ravenous sets
So we going to ignore the Third Doctor knew Mao Ze Dong personally?
I love how The Doctor is like "We cannot violate the laws of time" and then goes off and inspires Churchill to win WWII.
I only just now finished The Myth Makers for the first time where the Doctor INVENTS THE TROJAN HORSE FOR THE GREEKS
I love your videos so much
Winston also met 2 and 6 in 'Players'. Written by Dicks. Pre-Nu Who . So definitely canon probably.
Finally, my knowledge of the Brilliant Books comes in useful
What are your favourite non-televised monsters?
I’ve got to go for one of the Yssgaroth and the Ravenous, but can’t decide. What’s your opinion?
The Skith from DWM come to mind! Most of the comic ones, to be honest. Always more inventive and unrestrained in design.
@@SamyulDavis Ty
5:53 Was that a Limmy reference...?
Dude my head hurts please help
Surely bring back the time the 7th Doctor consoled Stalin on his deathbed and tells him how for a hundred years he'll be vilified before people deciding he was right and continuing his work
Churchill a problematic friend? The Third Doctor was friends with Mao and Napoleon....
Why the fuck did the Sound of Drums come in last?
They just... Committed fucking *super-genocide.*
7:30 How is The Master the least voted/best option for Prime Minister? His main character traits that survive across regenerations are wanting immortality (to the point that I think he'd be jealous of Torchwood series 4 and Harkness generally), wanting to rule over the galaxy and generally being evil along with how he caused the biggest paradox ever and ruled over Earth in the worst dictatorship in History before wanting to take over the entire galaxy... again.
I'd guess it's because the others have scarier implications in a real-world sense.
Jedi Spartan 38 the immortality that the Miracle brought probably wouldn’t be to the Master’s taste, I mean it’s not like Harkness’ immortality where you can heal from anything. You literally just cannot die but that doesn’t mean you’re body heals like Harkness’. Like if you get blown up your remains will still be alive but never heal
@@EditedAF987 good point, as shown by what would be a charred skeleton which is the first thing you see when you look up the event on the Tardis wiki... also what's the in universe reason for the Doctor not caring about the fact that Humanity have become immortal despite a) it happening at the same time as Earth based stuff in series 6 and b) 12 seemingly having been guarding the vault for *decades* prior to the Pilot (but that also poses the question of why didn't he help with *anything* at all)?
Jedi Spartan 38 no idea. Miracle day has never been acknowledged by the show. I reckon it might be a fixed point in history that the Doctor couldn’t interfere with, similar to the likes of the tenth planet and waters of mars.
@@EditedAF987 I never knew 10th planet was fixed.
2:55
Whats he saying here?
"he didn't meet Shaowker" is what I'm hearing. I've gone over it so many times and thought about every doctor and their number, nickname, and actor, but I can't place it. What's actually being said.
I almost never comment on any videos but this is starting to get to me x
He's saying "Shalka", as in the alternate timeline Ninth Doctor played by Richard E Grant in _Scream of the Shalka._
Now I'm wondering if Churchill has met the Atkinson, Lumley or Cushing incarnations.
Don't worry, he's trying to say 'Shalka' which was the animated Richard E Grant doctor from the 'Scream of the Shalka' series. (Not technically canon btw).
@@stewartmair3995 No! The Timeless Children has made Shalka Cannon!
Cannon-Fight!
Gah!!!
"The Third Doctor has every talent" - maybe it's a bit metaphorical, but yeah.
"Churchill has met every Doctor" - well, eventually, yes.
"Every prime-minister is involved/becomes an alien and Boris Johnson might be an Auton now"
Wait... WHAT??? I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to his hands pop open in the news... or maybe he comes from planet Tussauds, I heard they make the best Autons there.
Seventh Doctor story with Churchill is our now. Hey DAVIS, how did Clara get the job at Coal Hill? did the Doctor call in a favor from Ian Chesterton?
I mean, the Doctor originally supported Harriet Jones (allegory for Maggie), even if he later opposed her.
Oh, shoot, you talk about Maggie *and* Harriet.
I'm starting to catch onto today's theme...
@@nightowl8477 the theme is 'rise up and riot'
Fun fact: in stones of Venice it’s apparently confirmed that all people with webbed feet are actually aliens ( I might be remembering wrong)
No, the gondoliers were human who had evolved to be able to live in the water. However, woman everyone was worshiping in that story was alien.
Hey Davis, am hoping to get into the classic era of the show but I'm not entirely sure how many box sets and DVD collections are needed for that. Can you help me out here??
I recommend Britbox at this stage. Though the DVDs must be quite cheap now. You buy them individually by the story and sometimes they're in boxsets.
@@SamyulDavis good to know, is britbox a subscription service??
It's funny that there are even more ridiculous facts than how ridiculous doctor who is by itself
Six met Churchill before it was cool
And so did Two
Churchill, the man who fought against LITERAL NAZIS, is seen as controversial? Let that sink in for a moment....
I'm not saying everything he did was good, or that he didn't do bad things, but, I think he managed to balance it all out, at least.
"Controversial" in this instance meaning: let's not blindly idolise a figure who did many of the things Hitler did. From blaming the jewish people for the USSR & starving India to straight eugenics & race hierarchies. Dimension is very valuable with history, like most things. He can be both.
@@SamyulDavisCan you show your sources? I know, for example, he was the person responsible for the Gallipoli disaster in WW1, but I would have never compared him to Hitler. I'd just like evidence to look at to back up your claims.
@@mattevans4377 I'm not doing a bibliography for a UA-cam comment about Doctor Who! You can google the history and controversies section of his Wikipedia page or something. Pretty common history, even if you're not taught it in school.
@@SamyulDavis That is fine. I probably didn't make it clear. I just wanted a link or something. What you gave me will do, however, thank you.
@@mattevans4377 Sorry, tensions are high at the moment.
Boris is a auton
Yeh sounds about right
yeah 7 and Winston are not on good terms anymore
2:45 Possibly Capaldi could
5:31 she's an android anyway, dude.
What about the fact that the whoniverse exists as part of the larger marvel universe? I believe it’s earth-5556 in marvel
I think that it's BritishRobotland from the LEGOverse.
7:45 ah yes Vivian rook a character with the same name as a woman from some newspaper in sound of drums in contact with torchwood and is portrayed by an actress in the following episode who just to furthur that betrays Martha to the master
Harold Saxon was the best Prime Minister ever.
Who’s Vivian rook?
yes keep going
I mean was there really any question that pertwee was the best doctor to ever doctor? He just pwnes everyone else in the room in like very scence he's in.
Summary:3rd doctor is a bad ass, we need more science doctors
Um actually you forgot that Amanda Holden becomes a future prime minister
Going to start referring to the 3rd doctor as Doctor Trump
Going to steer clear of the politics talk. My favorite obscure fact is that a magic space bear made Missy known as the best nanny on the planet earth.
Vivien Rock is a character in the Doctor Who universe. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Vivien_Rook
Russell sure loves it when he finds a good name
It's funny how conservatives have some of the most influential people in history. As Mr Mackey would say - you guys feeling a little jell?
I'll take history's culture over history's bastards, cheers
Great job trying to claim Churchill though. Must be one of these 'true Brits' I hear so much about.
@@SamyulDavis I was just saying, you guys always attack us for some reason. I admit I shouldn't have said it like that. Both sides have influential people. But, I don't think Churchill and Thatcha should be constantly attacked - because, in my opinion, they were brilliant people. What I said was rude and I apologise.
@@royhay5741 "For some reason"
Dude, read a history book on Churchill already. It's not really subjective that he was also a monster. I don't even have strong opinions on the matter & yet still I couldn't have been more restrained in this video.
@@SamyulDavis he wasn't a monster, he saved Britain from WW2 and implemented many positive reforms. Many people of his time had a colonel and yes - somewhat racist view to the point where Roosevelt had to step in so Churchill couldn't control the empire's smaller nations anymore. I understand where your coming from, he was pretty racist.
@@royhay5741 again, you can be capable of two things. In the video I clearly call him a war hero. That doesn't negate everything else, it just adds to his real legacy.
"Anyway, with that very contentious issue, I expect my comments section to be VERY WELL BEHAVED!"
Wait... so you DON'T want me to mention how Churchill was, and Boris is, racist imperialist scum? Okay. I'll try not to mention that at all then, promise.
(you can a little bit)
@@SamyulDavis hehe, I think I already did, OOPS
Soz not soz to any Tories reading this
@@elliotcrossan6290 Personally, I quite like that time where we didn't surrender to Nazi Germany
@@SJ9001 Nobody went there dude. You can acknowledge him as a historic monster AND a war hero. Most people seem to manage the simple distinction if they get their head out of propaganda long enough.
I’m drunk as fuck you’re not gonna read this but I love you davis
“Boris Johnson is an auton” isn’t canon in the whoniverse or in real life?
Ok
DAVIS I don’t think you understood the comment I guess 😅 you said at the beginning these weren’t canon, so I was asking if you meant in doctor who or real life that BJ isn’t an automatic? :P
For the record...Doctor Who Adventures was the best
the fuck is battles in time????
collectable card game we had over here from 2006 with a LOT of packs released, it lasted ages despite the game being top trumps
DAVIS psh doctor who top trumps was the most immersive doctor who card game out there I dare you to prove me wrong
it really made you FEEL like doctor who
let’s not forget the queens a werewolf
I've lost my respect for Russell T Davies.
:'(((( oh no
Dude check out Years & Years then, you'll love it
I watched the first episode and I'm not going to touch this thing again, for reasons that Stubagful articulated very well in his review.
@down ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ptcarbonproductions2013 Good thing Doctor Who was rebooted in 2005 and not nowadays, eh?
@@ptcarbonproductions2013 RTD has been this overt his entire career.
@@SamyulDavis That's not an issue, the issue is style. RTD was never known from subtle political satire, but it was satire, it was highlighting certain flaws. I've read some claims in this comment section that Slitheen were Tony Blair allegory. English politics is 2004 is not my field of expertise, so I can't verify it, but regardless they work as a universal concept. They represent a certain trait - greed. Thanks to that, Aliens of London would still be relevant in 2060 and onward, because the message doesn't get obsolete - at any point in time politicians can be lectured to not be greedy.
Take another example - the usage of Trump in the first episode of Years and Years. I don't have a problem with that. Not only Davies gives us a glimpse of his motives, tries to understand him, but also launching a nuke isn't just a result of madness or something equally lazy - some specific flaws, that you can accuse Trump and many others of having, are behind it. Anger, refusal to compromise, conceit. RTD sends here a message - Donald, I don't trust you, because you're not able to listen, you're too selfish. That's a very concrete warning against certain human behaviour.
Here we come back to Revenge of the Nestene. It lacks any of that. The only character trait that is addressed here is ambition, but the problems it leads to are NOT explored. There's no flaw, no behaviour that RTD criticises, there's just a man, but this man is not person, it's a target. Boris Johnson was completely dehumanised in this story, he's but a skin for Nestene consciousness to wear. Nestene consciousness is a character in this story, but her motives, feelings are completely disconnected from what Boris Johnson can feel - so why does it become him? There's no substance to that, you can switch Johnson with anybody and it won't affect the themes. So if his presence doesn't serve the themes, what is it for? It's for mocking. Not satire, mind it, because satire requires specific criticism, mocking. Instead of 'I don't like Boris Johnson, because...' the clue of the story is 'I don't like Boris Johnson, so he's made of plastic, haha loser'. This is the abuse of power that artist has, as instead of teaching, lampshading, he uses it to insult. That's immature, irresponsible, harmful and below any standards RTD used to represent, this is a level of French Revolution pamphlets. Arachnids in the UK is better satire than that, because at least it was a satire, not just throwing eggs.
So yeah, RTD had always been this overt, but he used to be more classy.
My love and magic for the show has died in Matt Smith's last season.
Mind you, not because I'm like a Matt Smith Doctor fanboy, that season was just bad, and all the later Moffat seasons were equally bad. at least to me.
CookieMastah Series 9 and 10 were great and Capaldi was excellent throughout. You should give him a better go.
@@prof.evilpictures8696 He's boring. There's no pathos to his character now that Gallifrey is back. And the series finales lack grandure and sense of scale.
@@HiperPivociarz Away with that sacrilege.
@@HiperPivociarz sometimes the best Doctor who stories are small scale. The Caves of Androzani is mainly about a violent and petty civil war, drug smugglers, gun runners, and just capitalists being horrible people, yet it’s widely regarded as one of the greatest and most intense regeneration stories in the show’s history. The Doctor falls would not have been improved if it was about the end of the universe or the end of time itself.
@@EditedAF987 At the same time, The Stolen Earth and Journey's End is a very big scale story, and it's considered one of the greatest finales in the NuWho by many.
And even if you prefer small scale stories, there are times when you have to write a big scale story. Like The Zygon Invasion/Inversion. It's supposed to be a very big scale story, it's a global event, but the writers failed to convey such a big scale.
I don't want the big scale stuff to be all there ever is, I just wish we had more of them. But I was wrong to identify that as the biggest problem with Moffat era Doctor Who, because it's not. I would have to rewatch the show in order to understand why I lost my investment. But I don't know if I'd be into that.
Please don't say woke like that... Just don't.
If it were written down, it'd have a thousand passive-aggressive quotation marks around it.
Anything would be better than sounding like the orange trumpet.