KTM 790 Adventure and Adv R - 12 Necessary Upgrades | First Look & Walk Around
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- These bike are Awesome! After having taken them both for a ride and having the chance to check them out... I see 12 weak points that I really think need to be addressed before the bike is "really used" how it is intended to be used. Check the bikes out here:
KTM 790 Adventure R:
www.chapmotors.com/inventory/...
KTM 790 Adventure:
www.chapmotors.com/inventory/...
What else do you think this bike(s) need right out of the gate?
Thanks for watching!
Kyle "Manybikes" Bradshaw
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Own the bike, use it as intended and then come back and change what you think really needs to. Before wasting a lot of cash! You will be surprised.
I do agree with you Andreu for the most part... Having three KTM's in the garage at the moment with "similar components" which have failed on me in the field... That is the only reason I with the conviction I did regarding some items. Others are more comfort related and will vary person to person. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment! I love watcher interaction and to hear various view points. -- Kyle
@@manybikes no offence please. I have been following your channel and chaparral motors and I love and learn a lot with it. Cheers! By the way, I'm thinking of putting a set of Motoz tractionator rally as per your reviews.
No offense taken! It's all in good fun and learning. The MotoZ tires are the business, that is for sure. All of these big bike tires have their weaknesses... but the Motoz seem to have less in the areas where I need the tires to excel... That being said... the testing continues. I have 19 more tires in the queue... Stay tuned!
This is the kinda conversation I need to hear.. I just put myself on the ordering list of a 790 Adventure R a couple days ago.. Thanks, Guys...🙏🏽🙏🏽☺️☺️
@@manybikes I can readily help with tire testing,I can provide an address to send shiny new tires to.
Great vid, very well made and good info. Thanks so much! keep them coming
For sure! I get the question every time.. What should I upgrade? What would you do... Well, guys, here it is. Thanks for watching. - Kyle
690 ADV A question above as per your Vid
Great video
Thumbs up 👍
Thanks for sharing
Peace
For sure! Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the review. Seeing all that needs to be done Im going to hold off on my purchase.
I see you've got an AT, Great bike!
@@manybikes yes it is. Also have a 690 enduro r. Was thinking of replacing the AT with 790 but gonna wait
frostbitevinnie the 790 Adv is much “smaller” than the AT. It is the perfect “in between” the 690 & AT. After putting 5 miles on it yesterday the AT is a better “Touring Machine” due to weight & set-up. I do see the 790 being a much more capable dirt bike - but not a 690! I’m TORN too... I own and ride an 950 Super Enduro & an 1190 Adv R. The 950 has essentially the same specs as the 790... the 1190 is like the AT, just FASTER! I want a 790 BAD, but it is really so close to what I’ve already got. Thanks for watching & taking the time to comment!
@@manybikes Yes the AT is good for touring but I really dont care for much of that anymore. I have a gravel/dirt route of 600 miles from my place to sturgis that I have proven out half way. Looking for something lighter more capable in gravel for two up touring. I hoped the 790 would fit that bill. Maybe someday? I have heard of issues with the right foot peg on 790 cracking the engine case since that is the attachment point? If I slab tour again I will snatch up a nice FJR.
@@frostbitevinnie Ha! Ha! We are very similar. I owned a 2005 FJR and it was a great bike. Fast and steady! Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Excellent summary! BTW that flimsy skid plate covers and suppose to protect rubber fuel pipe connecting both side of the tanks down there...also fuel pump is sticking out from tank very low. Anyway stock bike is far from being "Race" ready :)
I have read two reports now of the fuel tanks getting punctured and catching fire! Bad news!
Great detailed run through of this bike! Thanks as it helps me a lot on some purchasing decisions! Keep my 1090 or get this! Hmm. I think it would be great to do a full week comparison on this bike against the 1090. And see for sure if this 790 is really worth replacing the 1090. As I believe the 1090 will be going away as KTM will have the 690,790,1290 only. Any word if that is true?
BD357 working on the comparison! Stay tuned!
Chris Birch runs the stock skidplate,it has rubber bumpers inside that make it work well. The gas tank and guards are not a problem. Guys spend 1000's on parts for these bikes based on internet advice, Take that stock muffler off,its light. My plan is to not crash the thing all the time,or bury it in mud. I already have dirtbikes.
Love your response! Chris does not crash... but those who do have seen a few issues. The bike is FANTASTIC out of the gate, there is no doubt about it.
The bolt running through the rear shock mount looks very small in diameter. Sometimes even the much larger bolt in the 1190r failed, and with the shock positioned like that it could be very messy.
Tis true! Shock mount bolts were a very common failure on the 1190 bikes. Mine is currently bent... Need to do the upgrade.
Definitely crash bars but curious about attachment points. Those tanks are sexy but I imagine pricey to replace until the aftermarket has a solution.
Yes Crash Bars for sure! Mount points do look tough. I wish the tank could be made to be the crash guard, like the Safari on my 950 Super Enduro. That tank as been through the war!!! Thanks for watching!
Good analysis Kyle. The front brake cables are begging to be ripped off. I removed one disk and caliper, and rerouted like a dirt bike. Tires are horrible for anything more than a dirt road. Bought new smaller rims so I can run a more moto tire. Complete pipe and WP Pro suspension as the stock stuff is like a pillow. Open up the airbox and remap and the bike is ready to race. Maybe a couple of other little things.
Yeah... it is crazy how "amazing" the WP suspension was supposed to have been... and everyone I know "really riding" these bikes are actually only dialed after a trip to Precision Concepts, Konfict, ect.. Pretty crazy. As bad ass as these machines are... they still need a little work before they are really ready to race! Thanks for watching! - Kyle
@@manybikes Its my understanding the WP Pro dealer is supposed to revalve according to weight and ability. I know mine does. If they don't then its pretty much a wash.
Kyle... I can't get my eyes off the 790R. Since they came out I've been dying to ride one
But.... I've never ridden an adventure bike, so taking the plunge and dropping 13k is a huge investment.
I'm wanting to do a video on the 790R and take it on some Singletrack. Do you know if KTM does demos out if their Murrieta location and who I might talk to about setting something like that up
And... Would you have any interest in joining me for a day like that if we can make it happen?
No and yes. The 790R is a fantastic machine. There isn’t a single one left on a dealership floor in all of North America. I’ve got 5 buddies with them...’but they are all pretty far away. We’ve discussed a meet-up but logistics haven’t worked out. Yes - I’m dying to put in some real seat time in on one of them too! I’ll dig a little deeper.
@@manybikes This has changed, yes? I just purchased one in Montana thats was on the showroom floor with zero miles -- I pick it up Tuesday :). Btw, I have never ridden an ADV Moto before but said, what the hell? Only one life to live. Cheers guys..
Heathcliff you are going to love it!!
Haha, Kyle I'm just commuting to work and hitting an occasional Starbucks. I think i can chance it without the mods... i just like the feel of Adventury...
I've been on the @every_single_sunday 790 Adv R for the past 4 days and it is an amazing machine. That is for sure!
Kyle Bradshaw. Well done for pointing out those weak aspects. Hard to believe after so much development KTM make thin crap bash plates and badly thought out lower tank protection that will gather small stones which at some point then penetrate the tank on a subsequent fall.
And if they put a 1/4" thick skid plate on it everybody would bitch about the weight.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
I hate to say this,but crash damage is crash damage. The bike weighs 470 lbs wet. If it gets thrown on the ground regularly as many seem to expect to do? Stuff is gonna break.....I ride my 2 strokes like there's no tomorrow,I know they can take hard crashes....My 890R? I know for a fact it can break me and itself to bits if it takes a hard crash. Physics are physics.
Great review and cannot disagree with much you suggested. I would like off-road/adventure bikes to come as a rolling chassis and you can buy the additional parts from the dealer to suit. There are already a number of things I would change as well to suit my height and weight. This is fine for bikes at the competitive end of the price range but not when you are paying a premium.
Regards
Garry
Totally agree!
Bad on KTM for not including proper skid plate and tank protection, the aluminium plate looks super thin and cheap, in fact is there anything which doesn't need replacing?
Your index finger that pressed 3 times!
For Sure!
What is the brand on those winddeflectors
Totally stock bike just out of the crate. All OEM KTM.
Get stronger hands and keep the cable clutch. Keep one spare cable with the tools and if it snaps is a 10 minute repair that can be done virtually anywhere in any condition. You got a failure with an hydraulic clutch in the middle of nowhere? you can start walking... Apart from that I tend to agree to all the other ideas 😉
Yeah... I suppose you have a point. I have not been so lucky with my clutch cable failures. Conversely... Since 2008 and over 200k miles I have not had any hydraulic clutch issues - thank goodness! Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Just got my 790R clutch pull is lighter than any of my KTM Hydraulic bikes. Slave cylinder on my 950 failed twice.
Bummer on the 950 Clutches... I found the cable clutch to me moderate. Congrats on your new bike! How exciting!
@@manybikes Ive kept track of clutch cable life on my DR650,stock cable went 26,000 miles,with occasional lubing....Motion Pro went maybe 20,000 with lubing but didnt have as light a pull as stock....Ive have hydraulic clutch KTM dirtbikes since 2000 with no problems at all.....I would rather the 890 had hydraulic but it is what it is. I will make do.
What country is this in? The indicators on those bikes are a lot fatter and uglier than the slim line LED ones that came on my AdvR
Ha! Ha!
Have you heard about the right foot peg being attached to the engine casing area ? according to ADV 690 ADV at least 3 790 have had pegs puncher engine casings ? If that's true a real BAD design fault .
Yes, I have heard rumors that this has happened. I did not look at the footpeg mounts themselves... I will do that Monday for sure!
@@manybikes let us know if you can please
@@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 Footpegs are not bolted to engine cases on 890R. Sounds like something Harley would do.
The skid plate is better than the plastic piece of crap that came on my klr650, funny you mention the clutch cable, was just reading about hydraulic clutch problems with some KTM s I'll take the cable any day!
So funny! The different strokes for different folks. I have had three clutch cables fail in the field. Two actually broke... one at the lever and another at a junction. Had one fill with mud once and wanted to bind & not release... that wasn't fun. No FUN at all. I personally would take a hydraulic clutch any day... especially for off road due to ease of pull. As for the skid... Better than some for sure but not "up for off road action." Bottom line - It is an AMAZING machine and we can't wait to get it out and TEST it! Thanks for watching! - Kyle
The “problems” are easy to fix, but also not that common. I thought my slave cylinder was going on my 1290SA, but strangely when I topped up the mineral oil and bled it, it never lost fluid again (not in the last 5000 miles). I bought a triple o-ring slave cylinder from Germany but never replaced the original. I’d much rather have a hydraulic clutch, minimal maintenance, no cable stretching, and a lot easier on hands that have done 35 years of gear shifting.
Great video.... informativ and right to the point, but you need to ease down on the transissions in your video... it makes it look like it trowen into iMovie and let's see how many we can use. :-P
Thomas Hansen Thanks for your feedback. I try to use them sparingly - with this video I was going for a “different transition” between each topic. Overused - I totally agree!
@@manybikes I can understand why, I struggle with the same mistakes myself, but for me as a viewer those built in transitions just make it look cheap and not very vell thought trough! Try to use cut without any transitions. for me as a viewer it's important to focus on the material and what you are trying to show, not the transitions in it self :-) Keep them coming.
After couple thousand km all outback off-road, all the stock guards have stood the test of time from Rocks to sand including one or two low speed offs. The low slung fuel tanks are trend setters in all terrain low cg balance. Watch the opposition mimic this design. Rear wheel guard no sweat in mud either. Just ride the bike for six months first in all terrain you might be pleasantly surprised at how robust the standard spec is .cheers .
Awesome reply! I am super excited about this bike and am happy to hear what you have experienced. The fuel tank is a game changer. It does feel light compared to other even lighter bikes. Way to go KTM!
Some very interesting crash bars under development here: ua-cam.com/video/E6sIb3FrIPw/v-deo.html
Wow! Those look great!
Cruise control?
Yes, it’s an option.
Swap the clutch cable out for what or are you just complaining.
I’d like to see a hydrolic clutch as they have on the bigger bikes. I’ve broken clutch cable in the field & they have a tougher pull. That’s all... thanks for watching.
That’s the one thing I don’t understand they call them adventure bikes and put flimsy crash protection on them . Then you have to spend another 1000 dollars to put something on that should have been there in the first place .
Amen Skip!
Alle the guards are flexible so they dont't break. They are super durable plastic as is the fuel tank.
Checking out the KTM Hard Parts available this morning there several of the "necessary upgrade" components are there... like this IGNITION COVER PROTECTION & CLUTCH COVER PROTECTION for the LEft and Right side of the bike respectively: www.ktm.com/us/travel/790-adventure-r/engine-exhaust and the Carbon Fiber FUEL TANK PROTECTION SET: www.ktm.com/us/travel/790-adventure-r/bodywork-graphics Two necessities in my book. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
@@manybikes Carbon Fiber is just for KTMs cash pockets.
I'd like to respectfully disagree. I have the Carbon Fiber covers on my 950 Super Enduro and I know for a fact that my clutch cover would have been bleeding oil from numberous rock hits over the years... The cover has wounds that would have surely taken out the OEM clutch cover. Same as the Leo Vince Carbon Fiber Cylinder Guards on my R1200GS... On set of guards saved half a dozen cylinder covers. Might be expensive, but for me they have been protective. - Kyle
As a female I am droping to my knees thanking god I am not married to this guy :)
Not quite so fair... I nitpick Manufacturers making "Ready to Race" machines... not humans. Thanks for taking the time to comment ;)
Ha ha ha,, My wife agrees with you! But I do like this guy and nice to know what i can do on items I decide on for upgrading. So this his vids really helps out on many decisions I am working on for this bike and others. Most guys are not prepared or able to make all those upgrades at once. Nor do all he is showing us. I go at piece at a time and what i feel will work. So all and all I am glad he gives some input on it.
BD357 Ha! Ha!
Why, what did he say?
I’m sure he’s really missing out
There is only 1 necessary upgrade : to a Tenere 700 .... thats all ;) and the best part is that said upgrade gives you a 10X better motorcycle + 3500USD ...
I am jonesing to get my hands on a T7. I sure hope that it is all that it has been advertised to be... You really think it will actually arrive here in the USA at $10k price point? - Kyle
I was looking forward to a T7, but it need's a bigger tank, better seat to compete as a multi day adventure bike. You will not see them sell that cheap in usa, nice dream, rumors in canada are calling for almost same price as the 790's.
@@zzim2853 nope, Tenere 700 is perfect as is, unlike the crap bajaj rebranded orange ready to crack thingy ....
florinsi plus with a yamahaha nobody will ever again wonder if you’re a gay, they will know for sure!
Another negative Nancy, that knows more than all the KTM Engineers
Kevin Bell I happen to own 4 of their bikes that have been brilliantly designed... but they have all needed similar upgrades which I only did after the OEM part failed or was uncomfortable or didn’t work as intended. Thanks for watching
Kevin Bell FYI - I love KTM Motorcyles.
Such a shame! Idiots at KTM assembled the worst R&D team in the motorcycle industry, hired truly clueless world champions like Cody Webb to develop the 790s, when all they needed was to ask this guy.
yes, webb made the chassis metal alloy in his private forge, also computed the heat to oil transfer equations plus the cooling fluid non laminar flow through the engine, not to mention forged by hand the shims for each of the suspension adjustment valves while cutting each spring to precise specs , he also visited the fuel tank from the inside to check integrity while the test rider was hitting the ground with it, he goes every day to China, where the bike is made to quality inspect each bolt, joined by the indian ktm owner plus the nazi partner still minority shareholder .... dream bike worth 30,000 $ ... true unique-corn .....
Ha! Ha!
Being a newbie and not knowing much about KTMs. This video gives the impression of China pitbike build quality with a European price tag??? Cheap guards, flimsy plates, cheesy gas tank. Etc..??
No Way! This bike looks to be really well built and this video was just to point out some things that might want to be addressed before serious off road action is attempted. Orange is still the Leader!
@@manybikes Thanks Kyle, good to know!
@mld I'm not sure what internet trolls you are refering too? That info I mentioned literally came off this video from Kyle himself. I dont own a KTM so I'm not hip to the current rumors...
It’s all about keeping at a price point. Most people change out their bash plate and hand guards anyway so why put a lot of money into those items when the money could be used elsewhere on the bike like the suspension.
@@mikeb4708 I gotta say this is one bike i probably won't touch the suspension. The R versions seems it can handle much more than i can put out. Which isn't to be said for the majority other adventure bikes out on the market today.
Cable clutch on a KTM you must be kidding
My thought exactly!
Isn't that "ready to race"? Or "be ready to spend more money to make it ready to race"? What a joke of a bike...
I think the bike is great Isaac... Just needs some TLC to get it the last mile.
Crap review.
Everyone has an opinion... Thanks for watching! This was a requested video from my fans. Those who do not have an opportunity to see the bike in person asked to walk around to see "what it needs" to really be off-road ready. Not just dirt roads either... Really ready to ride hard. - Kyle
just leave it as is... its clearly a bike designed from scratch for the gay community .. and it is perfect for that as is out of the box ....
florinsi What’s your bike of choice?
@@manybikes a true man's bike ...
florinsi so... a Harley?
@@manybikes no, an I accelerate and I break and I wheelie ergo I ride bike and not I am just a passenger for an indian kid software CPU traction control and all the other electronic BS for pussies just playing with a tft like a bored bimbo on her phone .... posing as an adventurous "hooligan" ...lmfao