KTM 790 Adventure S - 2019 - Test Ride and Review
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2019
- Is KTM 790 Adventure S different than 790 R?
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After the test of the KTM 790 Adventure R, many of you asked about KTM 790 Adventure S. It is about the same motorcycle with few very small differences, but in reality, it behaves like a completely different bike. I was nicely supersized to find out that the dangerous wobbling on the highways is not a problem for the 790 S model.
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Perfect. I just bought one of these. My first non Harley in 40 years. This seems to be exactly what i want. I still have my old Harley but this will be my go to for camping or exploring. Thank you and be safe.
Really liked your common sense approach. Good review.
Always a good job reviewing....ride safe, Pavlin!
My pleasure Allen!
This is why i like your channel.. always have excellent reviews and topics. Im intrested on doing adventure motorcycle riding and i have learned so much from you. Thank you and keep it up👍👍.
My pleasure!
Thanks for your review Pavlin. Many people still have a fear over the reliability of KTM models, but you cannot ignore the features of the R and the S models.
As I said it is great bike, but not for me.
Was waiting for this by you sir..
Excellent review
great review
As usual: Good and honest review. Weil done and thanks so much.
Much appreciated!
Great follow-up to R review 👍 I would still get the R and add swappable options like the windscreen from the S when I use R on road. R tires and front fender highway issues certainly need to be looked into.
Excellent video,
Thank you
My pleasure!
Pavlin, nice to see you again.
Thanks Marcus!
Good one guys👍👍👍👍👍 can't wait for the next one
Thanks Andrew!
Great review, especially in conjunction with your ADV R review. It gave me more information than all promo videos.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome review pavlin
Thanks!
Great review and good comparison with the R model!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice Review as usual Pavlin..We are eagerly waiting it in India to be launched...Thanks a lot for time and review.
You are welcome anytime!
Very nice review thank you.
You are welcome anytime!
Great review.
Thanks!
Thanks for your review of this model, it is the first one I have seen that is not about the "R" version.
You are welcome anytime!
Quite a few reviews of the s model, just search you tube.
Great review, thanks Brother, I enjoyed it like watching a James Bond movie 🍿👍🏼
Thanks Danilo!
Just as i thought that i don't need a 1lt bike, the KTM and BMW price tags get me closer to Africa Twin Adnenture Sports. Great channel u have here friend, best regards from Greece!
Thanks for taking the time!
A quick note: One could quite easily get the seat, tires and windscreen from the standard version on the R version. One could also quite easily set up the suspension for the R to suite road riding or touring more.
Good to know, thanks!
Glad you also reviewed the S. I actually went to have a look at them both today and was wondering whether the additional cost of the R will benefit me, but for my needs I believe the S will suit me much better. That said, I’m still doubting I’ll do nearly as much on one as I do on my Transalp after spending so much money on a bike. The nice thing about my Transalp is that it’s about having fun doing whatever I want, not whether what I do makes the bike look good or will cause a scratch, dent or void a warranty. Sure, it’s not as new, pretty or powerful, it’s suspension is no match and ground clearance is lousy, but I have no problem sanding down my steel bash plate when scraping it off road, and I don’t jump a bike loaded with my stuff while traveling anyway. Just my opinion.
The best adventure bike is the one you have in the garage!
Nice and much awaited review once again. After I tested this model in May, the dealer made me an offer. The base price of the 790 S in France was and still is 12500€. The price of the Africa Twin 2018 brand new (there are 2018 models left brand new in the distribution network) was 13600. The base price of the 790 R is 13 500€ in France. Beside the fully adjustable suspension with more travel, I believe the R is delivered with the fully adjustable Rally mode, which can be purchased as optional for 790 S. About the riding position, I saw the KTM dealer adjust the saddle of the S in low position for me. With 1m76 and middle height legs, I had flat feet on the ground. Then the bike is lower and feels lighter to maneuver engine off than the Africa Twin I finally bought. I judged the Honda would be better 2-up, but who knows, as Pavlin often says ? But I also noticed on your video that the engine is really less smooth than the Honda at low rev in city traffic. It was also my own impression. Strange to see the 790 S more expensive than the R in Germany... 15k is simply too much.
It is good bike
@@motorcycleadventures No doubt about it !
Thank you heaps. Very cool 😎 👌
Thank you too!
Would like to ask you for reviewing the Moto Guzzi V85 TT or New Triumph Scramblers & Ducati Desert Sled Scramblers if you only have a chance. These are back to the classic ADV bikes and lots of fun!
Anyway waiting for your Tenere 700 review ;)
I will do it when I have the chance.
Good review
Thanks!
Enjoyable and fair review as always Pavlin, thank you. In UK the R model is £1000 more, so I wonder about the price you were quoted, it seems to be the wrong way around. The R has the much more expensive fully adjustable suspension. Also the S can be adjusted a little, for preload (at rear only). 👍
I was surprised as well, but these are the prices.
Motorcycle Adventures Seems strange as it is a simpler bike, though only in suspension. Most everything else is same and/or interchangeable. Anyhow I am looking forward very much to your Tenere 700 review. The S is perfect for my height/age/needs, but I think you will be very much at home on the Yamaha. I think they watched your channel to design it. Too high for me though. 👍😁
I think that the demand determine the price. In Germany most of the clients will ride on the highways. I am sure that the Yamaha will be good. Never perfect, but good and reliable. This is what I need.
Yes I had the same questions. So far everywhere it seems the R is more expensive, and in other reviews they point to adjustable preload at the back.
Theres some mistake. I dont blame anyone. The regular recommended price is in Germany 12.795€ and the R Version is 13.795€. I bought the S and got it for 9990€ as it is on Sale now. The R ist not being sold cheaper, maybe a 1000€ maximum a some Dealers.
Have you done a series on riding in the snow ?
I enjoy your reviews, surprised about the price you got quoted though. Here in Italy they sell new for 12699 and those used for test drives get sold for about 11k euros.
Lucky you!
You were correct. It's under 13k euro most everywhere for the s model . Which is also much less than the price of the R.. But 24,700 lev or bulgarian money does come out to be 15k USD. I could only find that one price for an adventure s model new in Bulgaria. 24,700 something.. at .63 lev per dollar..that's 15k USD. Way higher than our price of $12,600 or whatever.
I hope you get to review the new Tenere soon. always waiting for your videos
Me either, but the problem is that they don't even have it in the shops.
we will wait😊
We have no other options
Good job Pavlin. I have the R version but Your review makes me think the S is better for my needs. Wil, Dublin.
Enjoy it!
One last thing. My 790R has been faultless and totally reliable for 4 years. Ive had issues with vstrom clutch basket, Bmw1200 GS abs servo and clutch seals, but this ktm has a great engine. Just check clutch / clean clutch oil jet occasionally and make sure factory radiator hose clamps are tight and thats about it.
Thanks for sharing!
The R model has a sticker on it swaying not to exceed 160km, I believe it's primarily because of the tires.
Could be
Waiting for your opinion of the new Tenere 700
I am waiting as well...
@@motorcycleadventures I am waiting as well 😊
Me too. I want to see how it compares with your current XT
Great review Pavlin. I've tested the 790 S the same day you uploaded this video. I need a motorcycle for shorter trips, little offload and ability the ride with my wife. the riding position and handling where perfect (1.76 cm) from the first moment and like you, I used the lower sit position (about 4 cm difference) . power was more than enough and traction control works smoothly. the best was the front break that can stops you the within amazingly short distance. My question is about one thing I was really supersized about -the thin elastic windshield. it's was too windy in 130 and in 170 Kph it was horrible. it was really bad so I'm little bit confused with opposite impression.
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Thanks for taking the time!
Thanks Pavlin
You are welcome anytime!
I’ve bought 890 Adventure S. I’m 167 cm tall, and I Mount the suspension lower kit. I intend to ride 70%on road and 30% Off road. I hope I chosed well. Thanks for videos
Thanks for watching!
Thank you Pavlin for your fair review. I want to ask you a question; If the money isn't issue, would you prefer this bike for around the world tour over 100K km. Let's say the tour will be mostly on tarmac roads, 10 or 20 percent will be on light off-road. Or do you prefer other motorcycles such as Africa Twin, Tenere 700 etc.
My choice will be simple and reliable machine. KTM is not what I need.
I find it this great seat height for my 181cm height in my boots. And it's adjustable by 20mm PLUS I have an Air Hawke so I can change leg angles 3 ways in a 700km day ride which really helps with fatigue.
I must point out that the rear suspension DOES have preload which helps when loading the bike up.
In Australia and elsewhere the R model is more expensive (AUD$1500 more here) - it's weird that it would be different in Germany
Thanks for sharing!
This bike costs on road about 1000,000 Rs in India. Not sure if it is same model but it is 790cc, being launched. I am still riding me Yamaha 250 cc FZ25, due to its 38 km per litre petrol mileage and efficient smooth poweful motor, affordable service and good after sales network. Just did 331km round trip yesterday to see my Grandfather.
Great review Pavlin. It seems I may have pay the dollars for the 🍩 donuts 😂. As you have these bikes are not at all in your budget category but inquiring minds want to know. If money 💰 was no object what bike would you choose??????????????
Simple and reliable, the the money will spend for traveling.
They left some room for knobbies. I like KTM "tubeless" .
I'm okay with having to use wrench for suspension if it reduces weight.
Thanks for the mirror view.
Thanks for taking the time!
Great excellent!!
Many thanks!
Hope you will get to ride the new KTM 390 Adventure and tell us a few things about it before i can buy it ;]
I might do it later in the year.
Pavlin if ever u come to malaysia to ride, hit me uo
and it is what it is...you are right!
Good!
The price is really high in Germany :o In Belgium I paid about 13k for the R version (the s being 1k less). I average my fuel consumption around 4l/100km in commuting. When going backroads it gets even less. I noticed the vibration on the R got less on highways when I changed tires to tkc70. Almost no issue know, even at higher speeds.
True. I expected 14,000 euro
I bought KTM 790 Adventure S recently. I love it ! Why KTM decided to replace it with the 890 IMO is a mistake. I mean the 790 did not need to be replaced with a bike that is 10 pounds heavier and more expensive to boot. KTM got it right with the 790 to begin with. If KTM wanted to improve the concept they should have tweaked the 790 (maybe shaving a few pounds off it). W/E
Whats the difference between 790 & 890
Thanks.
My pleasure!
Hi, Pavlin. Thanks for a video. I'm wondering why you never review old motorcycles, because in motorcycle the most importaint is condition, not year of making? There is an excellent F650Gs and 650gs Dakar, which you can drop many times and not worry about bike being stolen.
In fact I did today BMW F 650, 1996. It will be online next Tuesday. I will start a new series " Budget Adventure Motorcycles" The problem with the old bikes is to find it for test ride. With the new bikes is easy, just go to the shops.
the preload is adjustable on the rear shock. it's just a pain in the ass to do it xD
Good to know.
In Canada $13,500 (9200 Euro) and R is CAD 14,600 (9950 Euro).
The bike is 2500e less that you are saying. Under 13000e new without akrapovic exhaust and cruise control etc...
You can get this bike for around 9500 EUR now 2019 version with 0 km
This is the second review of the 790s I’ve watched and both state the the S is more suited to 90% of riders. I bet the R model out sells the S though. If I was buying one it would be the S model due to the seat height.
More suitable for most of the rides. The R version requires some skills.
I still can't believe that that this S model is more expensive than R model which is a lot more off-road capable machine than this .
This is the reality!
@@motorcycleadventures then definitely manufacturer's and dealer's are High on Weed .
What helmet are you wearing? The bike looks great but the cost.. I dunno
Thank you for another excellent review.
I want to buy the 790S but remain concerned about its reliability. Do you think that the KTM is high maintenance. Greetings from Baltimore.
I don't think that the maintenance is that bad but reliability is still questionable.
I don't like that fuel tank so low, is very exposed in case of crash.
The price is interesting. Here in Slovakia they sell the base version for 12 099 €. Maybe if we'd buy all the accessories you had on your model, we'd reach the 15k price. So yeah, it's expensive
It is expensive
I did see you R model review too .
Thanks!
Do BMW F850GS and F800 GT, please
Where is this video filmed?
The weight you mentioned. Is it dry weigth or wet? Sorry, I am not that pro and dont know which weigth it usually meant.
I dont really like that white background dashboard. It is possible to change it o black?
It 210kg wet
The small rack on the back would be perfect for a big topbox !
True
Only comparing the spec sheet, this should still be more off-road capable, than everything else on the market (including the t700). So yes, it's better on the road than the "r", but still a beast off-road. And in Münster, Germany, the s Modell costs the same as the t700...
Yes bu on paper, the reality is different. I am not going even to discuss reliability.
tubeless and the lower seat height is a big plus for me. I think KTM beat this bike with an ugly stick, but I still really like it.
Please review KTM adv 390
When I have the chance.
How is an Austrian bike much cheaper in the UK than in Germany? The R is more expensive here.
Ask KTM
Nice to see Tesla Model 3s on the road!
If R model has dampers then , why does it vibrate so much on highway ??? (dampers are supposed to reduce vibrations and improve stability , riding experience for the rider on high speeds) .
My opinion is that it vibrate because of the high front fender.
Are those tubeless tires?
How would you compare the ergonomics of this bike vs the tenere xt660z? I had the tenere and was very comfortable. I'm 1.91 mts tall
In terms of comfort it is fine.
A quick check on mobile.de shows that the standard 790 Adventure costs about 11-12000€ and the Adventure R costs 13-14000€, in Germany. The price 14990€ probably includes all extras on the testbike: acra, heated grips etc. So if you equip an R-version with same options would probably cost about 17000€?
The cheapest option int he shop is 15,000 euro. The extras are on the top. No way even to get closer for 11 or 12,000 euro.
All the links you uploaded and stopped by the filter. The prices I have from the official KTM dealer in Berlin. If they lied I lied. You can go and check yourself. You have no idea what is the situation with the bike on the post.
Just go on to KTM’s german website and have a look for yourself. The standard 790 Adventure listprice 12399€, the R version 13399€. So R is more expensive, that’s my point.
Don't look on the website. KTM 790 R is completely sold out for this year. There is no chance to have a deal on it because so many people already wait for it. It's a bit better with the S version, but from the shop they told me minimum price 14,990 euro. In the end the video is about the bike not about the price. Anyway thank you for taking the time!
@@joakimf4868 yes you're right i've got the same infos
Honda cb 500 x - 2019, will be interesting from you :)
No test machine in the shops, sorry!
@@motorcycleadventures It' ok... :)
@@motorcycleadventures If you can, when you can, I would greatly appreciate it! I am thinking of taking one, so if you are able to make a review for it as well! Thank you!
Hi, I have a BMW F850GSA. I plan on going on a ride from Europe through to Africa -- all around the continent of Africa. I expect that the landscape is mostly off-road > 75%. Do you think the KTM is a better option than the F850? I love my 850, but its heavy on off-road. Thoughts?
Ride whatever you have. The landscape will be 100% roads in Europe and 80% road 20% off road in Africa.
@@motorcycleadventures I knew Europe was roads... But I'm a bit shocked that Africa is 80% roads (going from top of Morocco to South Africa)... Have you been there?
18:08 The legend says Pavlin still can't find a bike that he will buy.
I found it, the new Tenere, just don't know I will buy it.
I wonder if the seat is as hard as my ex- 950 Adventure was.
It is hard, but comfortable.
It looks like a big black cartoon fly. I guess it's so as to scare all the smaller flies away but I always like to have a fast meal and at that price flies will be all I can afford to eat.
Gas tank is very vulnerable on crash, not to mention dangerous and prone to catch fire in the event of mc crash..hey pavlin, I think it's too small for you.. 1290 might be better for you.. Anyhow, nice review man...
Thanks for taking the time Ricardo!
Lovely looking bike but I'll keep my XT660R 👍
It seems like it is more suitable for your kind of riding .
True
790 is now cheaper than tenere 700 by almost 3k . Is ktm worth the gamble
Depends!
i'm 168 and i ride it no problem. i can flat foot on one side if i lean it just a bit o i can put both my feet on the toes at the same time. if it was 230 kg and top heavy it'd be a litte scary but it is definitely not the case
Okay
Omg....are ktm mad
15k base model price !!!!
Or am i old now?
They are jokeing and so is BMW
Yamaha all day long for me ......
Welcome to the modern "Adventure" world! I think exactly the same as you, but...
@@motorcycleadventures how many good bikes like yours could you get for 15k....life times supply i think m8
When you ride how do feels lots of power of motor cycle?
It has more than enough power.
Can’t wait for your Ténéré review. Will it be difficult for you not to prefer the Ténéré?
Well... I know that there is no perfect bike and I am sure that the Tenere has it's own pros and cons. The review will be honest.
I love your articles ,but I get the idea you just don't like KTM
Petrol tank looks odd, positioning wise
Agree
I agree - engine on these does sound Terrible.......
I used to go touring (around England and France mainly) on my old XTZ 750 up until my knees completely failed ten years ago; bit of a lump but fully loaded it was a very comfy machine for hundreds of miles/kms at a time. Do you really, really, really, really, REALLY need a 1.3 litre bike? Really?
Not me, but many believe that they need.
Any comments on the bike when going high speed ON road about the vibration and long conners?
No vibrations.
@@motorcycleadventures how about the long connecting,stable?
Only the price that make me stay with my versys 650
The Vesys is a good bike.
New Yamaha Tenere es in the U.S. are expensive. If I had to choose one I'll rather have the KTM 790 S .
In the USA you still haven't seen the new Tenere 700. It will come next year. If you want to compare the price you have to do it KTM 1290, nit with 790.
Thats true I wasn't comparing right, but I don't think the YT 700 will have the state of the art TFT display you can pair with an iPhone for things like google map as the new 790 does, and as for the more limited suspension on the 790 S, just get the 790 R instead and then change to the road tires and upgrade to a better wind screen and you'll have the best bike out there, if you got the money...
For me the heavy 1200 - 1290 cc and big Harley cruiser type bikes are not easy to navigate through tight spaces at lower speeds, I think the agility of these smaller adventure bikes 700 or 790 gives more riding options for more useful and fun rides. If you do a lot of cross country touring then probably a bigger bike is what you need but for me I like the lighter weight bikes best.
Nice KTM review, nice video thanks!
Buy whatever suits you and your budget!
These bikes are amazing but not something I would buy. I’ve just sold my GS 1200 as it was too big and at some point I’ll find another smaller adventure bike. I’ll definitely look at the new Tenere though.
Much better!
The engine comes across as rattling like a bag of nails, unless of course it's a diesel. If I owned one of these, I would forever be waiting for the engine to need the spanners. Thanks Pavlin, went through Germany yesterday (Aachen - Passau), didn't see you on the autobahn but did see a lot of Hardleys. You need to educate the locals better!
I agree that the engine noise is terrible. Thanks for taking the time Ray!
I like this better than the R but it costs more and has worst sospensione
90% of the riders will never notice or play with the suspension.
Why the 21 inch front wheel for a road bike ?
Why not?
Motorcycle Adventures honestly i would prefer a 19 inch front if i where to ride mostly on the road or even 70/30 road/dirt. In my own experience i don't feel confident pushing even a little with a 21 wheel in the twisties. The gyroscopic effect is definitely noticeable . Am curious what's your own experience riding a 21 wheel on the street . Cheers
I have no problem with it and always prefer it.